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| 10:18.07 | mashina | itt: hurr durr why no 5 GB RAM why no 4 Ghz http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1ovdva/neo900_the_open_source_open_hardware_totally_open/ |
| 10:18.30 | merlin1991 | rofl? |
| 10:19.15 | mashina | (i'd like to get one but not at the price of >$1000 and then shipping/duties) |
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| 10:33.46 | psycho_oreos | Prices may come down when more people gets interested (as in also paying money). It'll be no different to the metal cover for N900, initially it will cost a fair bit but as more people dives in (with money flowing in) the price will go down. |
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| 10:35.59 | psycho_oreos | Expecting 4GHz processor, 5GB of RAM, some insane X amount for eMMC and Y sort of touchscreen is a ridiculous ask when you didn't even contemplate on factors such as that it will be produced in limited quantities (unless there's more interest flowing in) and that there's no major backing from _any_ big brands. |
| 10:36.54 | psycho_oreos | I guess some people really live in a small world.. in their own head thinking Neo900 would be something that would be able to compete with <insert_whatever_device_or_phone_name_you_want_to_compete>. |
| 10:37.20 | jon_y | >competing with Samsung |
| 10:37.22 | jon_y | nope |
| 10:37.30 | jon_y | >competing with desktops |
| 10:37.32 | jon_y | nope |
| 10:38.13 | psycho_oreos | looks at the retarded comments or probably whatever the OP on that reddit thread posed impression of what Neo900 to be. |
| 10:39.10 | psycho_oreos | Neo900 is meant to replace the old N900 board, so it's virtually competing itself. Not whatever other devices or phones floating out there. |
| 10:41.14 | psycho_oreos | The amount of ridiculous retards posting Neo900 won't be able to compete with X and Y brand names and their specs should really put money in their mouths. They are all just talks drooling of fanboyism over more powerful products over a measly small project that aims to renew the life of N900. |
| 10:41.38 | jon_y | reddit is retarded |
| 10:41.45 | merlin1991 | 10-4 |
| 10:42.05 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure they wouldn't even be able to fund a decent enough project that would give them 4GHz processor with 5GB of RAM, etc yet they brag like Neo900 is some sort of outdated offspring. |
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| 10:55.37 | mashina | i like reddit but android fan users are a special kind of special |
| 10:55.46 | mashina | they demand they must have a pentium 4 in every phone |
| 10:55.55 | mashina | and crazy shit like nfc no on ecares about |
| 11:12.26 | psycho_oreos | To an average Joe, there's no difference between a geek and the nerd. Conceptually on the same premise they mean the exact same thing but logically to the minute detail the definition is quite different. |
| 11:14.11 | psycho_oreos | I find most of the time the comments of reddit are mostly geeks who fawns at latest technology with low costs. Obviously that does not bode well with those whom have appraisals for things that have already materialised and regardless of how old they are, they are still valuable. |
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| 11:36.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen dos1 |
| 11:36.20 | infobot | dos1 <~dos@unaffiliated/dos1> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22h 6m 38s ago, saying: 'wow :)'. |
| 11:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang! |
| 11:42.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a comment to the above: we *could* go OMAP5 and thus get 4GB ram and multicore. We just need to sacrifice: Main cam (is in the way), another 3mm of height since OMAP5 is fatter than OMAP3, fremantle binary compatibility thus nuking the whole purpose of the project. If 400 users want that, for ~900EUR per device, we will bring it to you, in 6 months time. Given you pay upfront to finance the development |
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| 11:45.57 | auenf | waits for someone to "Shut up and take my money!" |
| 11:46.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | DOS1!!!! Please fix neo900.org to CLEARLY state in BOLD that the device is meant to become the home of freemantle, a COMMUNITY DRIVEN fremantle RE port meant to keep the ecosystem of available apps alive. GolDeliCo will NOT ship any complete OS with the device, it's up to the user and to the community to support whatever OS they want on it. And THATS ACTUALLY THE POINT of Neo900 |
| 11:47.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and WE DONt WANT any crappy capacitive touchscreen. Takle your c-ts and eat it |
| 11:47.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | take, even |
| 11:47.44 | jonwil | I think the site needs a big warning saying "if you want OMAP5 or 4GB ram or <insert latest hardware here>, go buy an Android phone" |
| 11:48.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 11:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | "WARNING! This is a device for the very special and clear cut market of linux hackers, primarily those from Openmoko community and the lots of Maemo N900 lovers" |
| 11:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | "ANDROID IS *NOT* LINUX!" |
| 11:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway. mashina, thanks a lot for linking that fun stuff |
| 11:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | could somebody who cares post https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-21.log.html#t2013-10-21T13:18:07 backlink to that reddit thread? |
| 11:53.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, again somehow https sneaked in, I wonder how the heck this happens |
| 11:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | UGH. mg.pov.lt does it |
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| 11:55.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | how to kick ass of linkedin to stop spamming me? |
| 11:56.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | davi omlo, debt collector uganda - PFFFFF |
| 11:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | friggin SPAM |
| 11:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sender: messages-noreply@bounce.linkedin.com Received: from maild-fe.linkedin.com ([199.101.162.87]) |
| 12:00.06 | l4m3rx | <DocScrutinizer05> "ANDROID IS *NOT* LINUX!" |
| 12:00.19 | l4m3rx | +9999999 |
| 12:01.19 | MMN-o | Android uses Linux. Just not GNU/Linux. |
| 12:02.24 | l4m3rx | just 'cose its not using glibc it dosnt mean its not using gnu software.. |
| 12:02.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ORLY? which linus-kernel? |
| 12:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | do they push upstream? |
| 12:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | is userland compatible? |
| 12:04.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF are wakelocks? |
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| 12:04.15 | MMN-o | I seem to remember there was a git repo at kernel.org for the Android kernel. |
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| 12:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few nifty mean sneaky android core devels might argue what they're doing is still closely linked to linux mainstream. I begg to differ |
| 12:06.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had our fair share of porting WTF when trying to get some android bits into openmoko |
| 12:07.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | even when the kernel core maybe still is 95% linux, the API definitely isn't |
| 12:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even close |
| 12:08.14 | ShadowJK | Kernel stuff is different too |
| 12:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and to be honest, in the end I don't give a flying F - just like the android fanboys don't either |
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| 12:09.07 | ShadowJK | FirefoxOS, Sailfish, and Ubuntu can run on libhybris that can run with android drivers |
| 12:09.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | so theirs is a closed proprietary system with lots of DRM shite and no compatibility to anything, and some weird cyanotic mods - mine is debian, with X on top |
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| 12:10.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | so each got theirs, and everybody happy. But please stay off my lawn, particularly when it comes to Neo900 |
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| 12:11.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise we will switch to HS design for Neo900, and ship a 1st stage BL that nukes the SoC when android stuff detected on device |
| 12:11.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
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| 12:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, maybe I got a bit upset and gone too far. Prolly not all my points stand a tough discussion. But in the end one point will actually stand: android fanboys don't give a f*ck about FOSS, they want devices with GHz and GB, and most leete new wallpaper. when next wallpaper is in, they get a new device that comes with that one |
| 12:16.56 | jaska | i prefer wallpapers with #000000 pixels |
| 12:20.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | all that reminds me way too much at a kubuntu meeting where system stuff is irrelevant since you all need to find a consensus regarding which sound a closing window shall make. |
| 12:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I prefer a rock solid linux system that allows me to choose between 5 or 6 or more desktops, and possibly at least 2 of them are configurable till the point where their own devels don't recognize them anymore |
| 12:22.06 | jaska | and a closing window shouldnt make any sound :) |
| 12:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and if all that doesn't meet my taste, I want to be free to code my own KDgnomE |
| 12:23.40 | ShadowJK | giggles at shuttleworth calling Mir opponents "open source tea party" |
| 12:23.44 | l4m3rx | and the less competable with others , the better! |
| 12:24.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo5 kinda still had this type of freedom. Maemo6/meego or sailfish seems to follow another paradigm |
| 12:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and android, meh! |
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| 12:25.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shuttleworth in my book is a moron |
| 12:25.40 | jonwil | loves his Gentoo system |
| 12:27.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope he will stick with mir, and die with it |
| 12:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | world would be a better place without ubuntu |
| 12:27.43 | l4m3rx | ubuntu is an cancer in the foss world... forked from our own code and fucking up the whole foss eco-system |
| 12:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:31.56 | l4m3rx | I remember a long long time ago....in a galaxy far far away...a saying.. .'If you want too see what's the wrong way of doing things in linux -> install RH' .... but time passes , things change... i think s/RH/ubuntu/ is fits the current time. |
| 12:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think Lennart P. being an employee of RH still proves the saying true in its original form ;-) |
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| 12:33.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, meanwhile canonical and google are the new bad boys |
| 12:35.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | friggin clever guys who know how to comply with GPL and still fsckup everything for the FOSS community |
| 12:35.19 | l4m3rx | Google is not what it used to be :/ |
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| 12:36.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to ignoring and offensively disregarding the philosophy behind FOSS |
| 12:38.08 | l4m3rx | One of the main reasons every year I come closer and closed to RMS's possition on software... he's a bit extreme....quite extreme, but as I said, every year I understand him more and more ... |
| 12:38.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, yep. kinda |
| 12:39.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | just one word: fork-happy |
| 12:39.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | forks should get outlawed in GPL, you should need consent from original author to do a fork |
| 12:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | even that wouldn't stop BS like mir or PA |
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| 12:41.28 | l4m3rx | btw what do u thing about LGPL? does it do more good or harm ? |
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| 12:41.37 | Veggen | DS: Don't agree. |
| 12:41.45 | Zack_ | Hi everyone! |
| 12:42.18 | Zack_ | This project seems great, do you consider to increase display resolution in the next revision? |
| 12:42.24 | Veggen | DS: Possibility of forking is a good insurance against people going awry with software that you/the world uses. |
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| 12:44.24 | l4m3rx | Zack_ ur talking about the neo900,right? |
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| 12:47.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | next revision? |
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| 13:02.15 | Zack_ | Yup, about Neo900. 'Next revision' is literally next revision - with updated specs and the same form factor. |
| 13:05.21 | l4m3rx | We'll provide both complete, ready to use devices in N900 case, and motherboard replacements for your current device. Neo900 will also support all operating systems available for GTA04 |
| 13:05.25 | l4m3rx | from the neo900 page. |
| 13:06.47 | l4m3rx | Correnct me if I understand it wrong,but the idea is to get new board as upgrade, and keep the case, screen and stuff like that |
| 13:06.58 | l4m3rx | and this is done to save money |
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| 13:19.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, congrats, a friend who doesn't follow maemo told me about the Neo900 |
| 13:19.55 | MohammadAG | not sure which news site mentioned it |
| 13:19.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow! :-) |
| 13:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly the reddit android thread |
| 13:20.47 | MohammadAG | he also doesn't follow reddit |
| 13:20.48 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 13:21.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh! |
| 13:21.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems it's about high time to get some updates on neo900.org |
| 13:22.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | fundraiser pending to open any day now |
| 13:22.47 | jonwil | would donate to project if he had any spare cash |
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| 13:51.50 | merlin1991 | yeah, spare cash would be a nice thing |
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| 14:22.44 | l4m3rx | I saw slashdot || phoronix mentioned neo900 few days ago.... |
| 14:26.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | slashdot?? :-o |
| 14:27.16 | l4m3rx | http://slashdot.org |
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| 14:31.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know what's 7. |
| 14:31.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I even learned what means "you got slashdotted" |
| 14:33.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afraid our site isn't ready for this yet, so we haven't posted anything to /. by ourselves |
| 14:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | it also won't bring huge effect when the story behind it "sucks" - thus we planned to polish our site a bit more, and then post a _good_ story to /. that actually could kick off the chain reaction |
| 14:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I ":-o" when I heard we been mentioned on /. |
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| 19:24.26 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: |
| 19:24.26 | cehteh | [21:21] #poettering 4 The official Lennart Poettering fanclub | Wir poettern bis wir pulse hören! | POETTERRRIINNG!!! | WARNING: GIANT PSYCHOACTIVE MUSHROOM BEHIND YOU! | Poettering klingt wie Penisring. | PEEEENISRRRINNG!!! |
| 19:24.39 | cehteh | .. want to join that network? :) |
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| 19:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 19:44.25 | Pali | :D:D |
| 19:45.33 | Pali | ~poettering |
| 19:45.51 | Pali | hm? |
| 19:45.54 | Pali | infobot dead? |
| 19:45.55 | infobot | yes :( |
| 19:46.06 | Pali | :D |
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| 23:47.18 | bindi | is the n900 back cover leaning latch mechanism easily dismantleable, in a way so I can attach it back? |
| 23:53.16 | bindi | apparently |
| 23:53.19 | bindi | got it dismantled now :P |
| 23:55.12 | bindi | gonna be a hell to put it back though |
| 23:56.28 | bindi | crap from 5 years ago |
| 23:56.38 | bindi | dust and all that |