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00:25.16Psianyone had the n900 not send a sms sometimes until you go back into the messages app
00:26.04Psilike you send it, then move the slider to sleep the phone but it doesnt send until sometime in the future when you wake it up and go back into the messages app
00:28.20DocScrutinizer05no
00:29.56Psihm..
00:30.03Psimight be time for a reinstall
00:30.07Psiits been like 4 years
00:44.53DocScrutinizer05maybe cleaning out your eventsdb is already suffucuent?
00:47.29DocScrutinizer05Psi: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-04.log.html#t2013-10-04T14:11:53
00:49.16DocScrutinizer05I wonder how the heck the https sneaked in
00:50.00DocScrutinizer05http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-04.log.html#t2013-10-04T14:11:53
00:50.08DocScrutinizer05really weird
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05:13.59DocScrutinizer05TMO based karma fixed!
05:14.19DocScrutinizer05so: karma at large fixed (more or less)
05:14.57DocScrutinizer05sending tokens for council election based on karma should be no problem
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07:26.02zemmygood morning...
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07:43.13brolin_empeyOne of the neat aspects about using a Nokia N900, at least in Canada, is that it is a rare model of computer in general contexts:  the only other Nokia N900 users I have met IRL have been at the Vancouver Hack(er)Space (the VHS) or at “LinuxCon” North America 2011 in Vancouver, British Columbia.
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07:54.49zemmycool
07:56.28brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: Is it possible for the Neo900 to use a removable non-volatile secondary storage device instead of eMMC?  I dislike relying on secondary storage fixed on a mainboard because it is too risky;  I have been fscked too many times by losing access to the contents of secondary storage fixed (soldered) on a failed or otherwise unusable mainboard.
07:56.33zemmy~flasher
07:56.33infobotflasher is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher, or http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php
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07:58.03DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: umm, I don't really get it. You want two SD-cards?
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07:58.51zemmyis there some flasher to have in arch linux DocScrutinizer05
07:59.03DocScrutinizer05sorry?
07:59.30zemmyyes... I mean can you link me the flasher to use on arch linux pc
07:59.59DocScrutinizer05err, the .deb should prolly work, no?
08:00.00kolpzemmy: There is a tar.gz that you can use for sure
08:00.12DocScrutinizer05aah, or tarball yes
08:00.20zemmyversion ? maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz
08:00.25kolpYes
08:00.54DocScrutinizer05or you use 0xffff if you don't like blobs
08:00.54zemmybut I am on this site http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php
08:01.01zemmyit says tablets... I am using n900
08:01.05zemmyis it alright?
08:01.19kolpIt is
08:01.22zemmyok
08:01.23DocScrutinizer05sigh
08:01.33kolp:)
08:01.38kolpDo you ever sleep?
08:01.43DocScrutinizer05no
08:01.52kolpThought so
08:02.02zemmylet's start to compile it
08:02.18DocScrutinizer05hmm?
08:02.18kolpThere's a configure, then just make, make install
08:02.23kolpSorry, j/k
08:02.56DocScrutinizer05~gentoo
08:02.56kolpIt's a binary. Nothing to compile, zemmy
08:03.18brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: I want the system to run from a removable storage device which can be moved to and used in another of the same model of computer, like with an ATA hard disc drive or solid-state drive in an IBM Personal Computer(/Advanced Technology) compatible.
08:03.52kolpbrolin_empey: You can boot from SD just fine
08:04.11DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: if you really want to use a slow uSD, you're free to boot from that media as well
08:05.54DocScrutinizer05or you cram in a 2" HDD with USB interface ;-)
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08:06.02DocScrutinizer051.6"
08:07.18DocScrutinizer05PCI-card, iirc they have USB too
08:07.24DocScrutinizer05on internal bus
08:07.27DocScrutinizer05;-D
08:07.33zemmykolp anyway I don't get it started...
08:07.38brolin_empeykolp: DocScrutinizer05:  If I boot from an SD card, do I still have any dependency on the (contents of the) eMMC?
08:07.53DocScrutinizer05err, bootloader
08:08.25DocScrutinizer05I.E. uBoot
08:08.38DocScrutinizer05oops, that's NAND
08:09.11DocScrutinizer05no, we already done a complete swap between eMMC and uSD for a guy who had broken eMMC
08:09.47DocScrutinizer05was a funny enterprise, 3 guys worked one day to make it happen
08:09.56DocScrutinizer05finally it was 3 chars patch
08:10.27zemmykolp, [sammy@sammy maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2]$ sh flasher-3.5
08:10.28zemmyflasher-3.5: flasher-3.5: cannot execute binary file
08:10.40kolpzemmy: tar xf maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz; cd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2; ./flasher-3.5
08:10.43DocScrutinizer05sh?
08:10.48kolpzemmy: It's not a script
08:11.12zemmyI did with ./ but
08:11.14zemmynothing
08:11.20kolpNo sh
08:11.35zemmy[sammy@sammy maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2]$ ./flasher-3.5
08:11.35zemmy./flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
08:11.44DocScrutinizer05~flashing
08:11.44infobot[maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
08:12.07zemmythen I tried with sh
08:12.09kolpUse Pali's 0xFFFF
08:12.20DocScrutinizer05meh, will also need libusb
08:12.21zemmyI read something on such man or doc
08:12.33kolpBut not a specific version
08:12.45zemmylet's try to insta ll it
08:13.44DocScrutinizer05there's a command you need to run, which I *always* forget the name of
08:13.54zemmyto me it says libusb is installed yet
08:14.00DocScrutinizer05or you use LD_LIBRARYPATH
08:14.26DocScrutinizer05maybe kolp can help out
08:14.29kolpDocScrutinizer05: command to do what?
08:14.39DocScrutinizer05lib-path-cache
08:14.47DocScrutinizer05and symlinks
08:15.35brolin_empey<sarcasm>Wow:  my Friday night was, as usual, super exciting.</sarcasm>
08:16.08DocScrutinizer05ldconfig
08:17.29zemmysymlink not yet installed but what is it for?
08:18.29kolpldconfig -p | grep usb
08:18.54Macerany plex client for maemo?
08:18.55Macerheh
08:18.58zemmyto me kolp?
08:19.05kolpzemmy: yes
08:19.08DocScrutinizer05FWIW: http://privatepaste.com/891fac0dcb
08:19.11zemmyshall I plug the n900
08:19.16kolpNono
08:19.20zemmyalrigh
08:19.54zemmykolp http://pastie.org/private/bm7tz2mdhrfby8seomykeq
08:22.58kolpHm, Looks fine. Shoudln't it Just Work?
08:24.47kolpWhat does ldd flasher-3.5 say?
08:24.52DocScrutinizer0564bit?
08:25.09kolpAh, maybe
08:25.14kolpNo clue how that is handled
08:25.26kolpUse 0xFFFF :)
08:26.40DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
08:26.42DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
08:27.34DocScrutinizer05wasn't there a damn statically linked flasher once?
08:28.16DocScrutinizer05~flashing
08:28.16infobotmaemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
08:28.32DocScrutinizer05search for libusb
08:28.42zemmysorry I waas away I had to ... grab kilos of water
08:29.22DocScrutinizer05>>
08:29.23DocScrutinizer05Some notes:
08:29.23kolpafk
08:29.24DocScrutinizer05If you get this error while trying to run flasher-3.5
08:29.26DocScrutinizer05./flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
08:29.27DocScrutinizer05you are probably on 64 bit and you need to install a libusb compatibility package. For example, on openSUSE 11.4 you just run
08:29.29DocScrutinizer05zypper in libusb-0_1-4-32bit
08:29.30DocScrutinizer05<<
08:30.08zemmysoooooo?
08:30.31zemmyanyway http://pastie.org/private/odomztpubqox4mra2ehmea
08:31.14DocScrutinizer05FSCK pastie
08:31.24DocScrutinizer05cookie infested shite
08:31.30zemmy?
08:31.59DocScrutinizer05and javascript, wants even set cookies when you close window
08:32.33DocScrutinizer05sooooo install libusb-0_1-4-32bit
08:32.52DocScrutinizer05and read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
08:32.53zemmyahahaha upon 64 bit systemm
08:33.00zemmyis it possible?
08:33.07DocScrutinizer05and read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware !!!!!!!!!
08:33.11zemmyok
08:33.24kolpzemmy:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch64_FAQ#Can_I_run_32-bit_apps_inside_Arch64.3F
08:33.34zemmyalright
08:34.25zemmywth is boring
08:34.41zemmywhat is just supposed to do
08:34.56DocScrutinizer05I gave you the link two times, I even spammed the channel with a 6 lines fullquote
08:35.11DocScrutinizer053 times
08:35.34zemmybut the link shows up a huge page Is boooring
08:35.41DocScrutinizer05what of >> you are probably on 64 bit and you need to install a libusb compatibility package. << is so complex?
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08:35.58zemmynope... alright
08:36.07zemmybut I need to compile that
08:36.08DocScrutinizer05sorry, you won't get private lessons for free here
08:36.17zemmy...
08:36.47zemmyok I pass to my notebook which is 32 bit
08:38.00zammyhey all
08:40.42zammyinstalled the deb flasher -.-
08:40.47zammythis is boring as well
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08:42.51zammyso to install the rescueOS.img I just have to execute sudo -F flasher-3.5 -f or what?
08:44.39zammy... maybe is better to wait for N1N
08:46.19DocScrutinizer05no, you don't *flash* the rescueOS
08:46.33DocScrutinizer05see the readme file that comes with rescueOS
08:46.39zammyNIN101, you are here
08:46.40DocScrutinizer05no -f
08:46.47zammyoh ok
08:46.59zammyso you want me to do it correctly
08:47.10DocScrutinizer05and no sudo -F
08:47.15zammyalright
08:47.18DocScrutinizer05that's completely garbled
08:47.25zammyyou are not so mean
08:47.44DocScrutinizer05(sudo) flasher-3.5 -F <file> -l or whatever
08:47.44zammy... if you were you could say yess do it
08:49.05DocScrutinizer05nah, we suggest lusers to clean their device in the automatic dish washer
08:49.17zammyahahahaha
08:49.37DocScrutinizer05or run nandtest
08:49.40zammyyou see now I know when you are joking
08:49.43DocScrutinizer05;-P
08:50.18DocScrutinizer05nandtest conveniently deletes ALL data and config from your device
08:50.37DocScrutinizer05irrecoverably
08:51.02DocScrutinizer05including
08:51.04DocScrutinizer05~cal
08:51.04infobotsomebody said cal was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465
08:52.35DocScrutinizer05turns N900 in a nice living brick
08:52.59zammysorry anyway DocScrutinizer05 but I need a repetition... so... I must do sudo flasher-3.5 -F rescueOS-1.1.img -l
08:53.27DocScrutinizer05I'm not 100% sure about the -l
08:53.38zammyNIN101, ?
08:53.44DocScrutinizer05might be another char that means "-Load to ram"
08:53.57DocScrutinizer05do a flasher-3.5 --help
08:54.00zammyok
08:54.28DocScrutinizer05or *read the readme* in rescueOS tarball
08:55.59zammyflasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" from http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Nin101/N900_Rescue_OS
08:56.12zammywhat the heck
08:56.17zammyall that means
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08:57.34DocScrutinizer05-k is the kernel image file, -n is probably a initrd image file, -l means "load to RAM", -b is the kernel commandline iirc
08:59.04DocScrutinizer05from "root=/dev/ram0" you can tell it searches for rootfs in RAM and not on any storage device
08:59.09zammyweird... I don't want create a bootable microsd in order to boot this rescueOS after inside the n900
08:59.19zammythat's the guide for
08:59.28zammywwaaaa too bored to read all but I did
09:00.29zammy<PROTECTED>
09:00.31zammyNIN101,
09:00.37kolpSorry zammy, but 'too bored' is really not the right attitude to ask for free help
09:00.44DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/NIN101_N900_rescue_os/nin101.uni.cx/N900/rescueOS/documentation.txt
09:02.08zammyso DocScrutinizer05 it's right that is the command I must execute
09:02.44zammythis guide is more useful I think
09:04.31zammyI just must do this -Backuping files prior to a reflash.
09:04.40zammyI START
09:05.49NIN101now I am here.
09:05.56zammy...
09:05.59zammyright in time
09:06.04zammyI was pressing execute
09:06.36zammyI have installed flasher mate and downloaded the rescueOS-1.1.img
09:06.52zammynow? the command I must execute is flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" right?
09:06.57zammywith sudo or without?ù
09:06.59DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/NIN101_N900_rescue_os/nin101.uni.cx/N900/rescueOS/
09:07.05NIN101http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/documentation.txt this is the official documentation, other mirrors and wiki articles are probably outdated
09:07.12DocScrutinizer05with
09:07.44zammyyes NIN101 that's the coolest guide upon it
09:08.09zammyso I just execute
09:08.40zammybut I need to substitute initrd.img with rescueOS-1.1.img right?
09:08.46NIN101correct.
09:09.36zammyit outputs no such file or directory
09:09.47NIN101then you haven't downloaded the kernel.
09:09.56NIN101http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/2.6.37
09:10.13zammynow I understand all the command line
09:10.34NIN101I admit it could have been better named than "2.6.37"
09:11.11zammyyes it's started
09:11.18DocScrutinizer05\o/
09:11.20zammyn900 started to behave weird
09:11.45zammyit askes in small character something
09:12.00zammyFTP
09:12.04zammyanonymous
09:12.12zammyy/n
09:12.18NIN101usually it's quite readable...
09:12.50zammyNIN101, anyway let me tell you it's quite cool since I could not boot any thing here
09:12.53NIN101it asks you 3 questions.
09:13.11zammyany THING
09:13.17zammyso I y or n
09:13.19zammyftp
09:13.26zammyanonymous download and up
09:13.36NIN101depends on whether you think you will need it.
09:13.49zammyyes I must save datas from n900 to pc
09:13.54zammyso I 'd say yes
09:14.07DocScrutinizer05I'd say no
09:14.13NIN101yeah
09:14.18DocScrutinizer05when you already don't know
09:14.19NIN101though if you use mass-storage mode you won't need it.
09:14.25zammyoh... now I remember why I would do it by my desktop pc and not by notebook... because here I have no free storage
09:14.41zammyI must to ssh further from notebook to desktop
09:14.48zammythat's I know how to
09:15.26zammyalright so I say no
09:15.29zammy?
09:15.42zammydon't be ambiguous NIN
09:15.45zammyNIN101,
09:16.12NIN101pretty much doesn't matter. I would say yes to FTP, yes to telnetd, and no to usb networking if you want to use mass-storage mode
09:16.24zammyok
09:16.30zammythat's cool sentence NIN
09:17.01zammyfinally... yeah I am in shell
09:18.05zammy<PROTECTED>
09:18.14NIN101yes
09:18.33zammyI would have tab now... hehe
09:18.53NIN101usually shift + space.
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09:19.11zammyreally? that's a clue for me
09:19.51zammycool my god the notebook has just mounted that folder
09:20.31zammyalright now I open ssh folder too and I save all
09:20.40zammythank you very much NIN101
09:20.45NIN101yw
09:20.49zammynot you DocScrutinizer05 you were almost mean with me
09:20.51zammyXD
09:22.44DocScrutinizer05~nuke zammy
09:22.45infobotACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at zammy ... B☢☢M!
09:41.23zammyand if NIN101  I mean... is also charging the battery?
09:41.52zammybecause it needs a while... I 'd say 2 hours and 50 minutes
09:43.41NIN101read the documentation
09:44.21NIN101basically it's not unless you ask it to.
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09:51.32ApicA wonderful good Morning (UGT).
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09:57.45zammyNIN101, the script for battery has to be improved... it says in loop something... like Status: 0x20 Mode: StandBY FULL: 1 Wall: 0 voltage: 386x NAC: 1091xx level: 80 % rate - 307 System: -1
09:57.50zammyand so on...
09:58.11zammyit updates but I would this not looping overall the screen like panic errors
09:59.58DocScrutinizer05hmm?
10:00.37NIN101you can redirect the output to a file if it annoys you.
10:00.49DocScrutinizer05to dev/null
10:00.59NIN101or there, yeah.
10:01.26zammyI don't need the shell now... but If I must use again the shell I must stop all this NIN101 this is what I want to say and not that's annoying me
10:01.38DocScrutinizer05i wouldn't know how this can annoy you, when you're anyway using MSM and not using console
10:03.02zammyalright?
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10:21.47zammywth NIN101 the level goes down... does not increase the battery this script?
10:22.53DocScrutinizer05when there's not power then it doesn't charge
10:23.20DocScrutinizer05when it's full and in standby mode then it doesn't charge
10:25.13NIN101zammy: This script was not written by me. I in general don't know much about the inner workings of it...
10:27.01zammyI can even use nano and edit the script...
10:27.09zammybut I don't understand it neither
10:30.21zammyhow to write | inside the terminal without that cool feature...
10:30.34zammyby only combo of keys
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10:31.52NIN101it depends on your keyboard.
10:32.06NIN101this is the part that sucks most about rescueOS, not localized keymaps.
10:32.25NIN101but it's quite some boring work nobody wants to do.
10:34.31zammyso... I passed over I need ssh server enabled into n900 by command line
10:34.50zammyso with ssh I overtake my n900 and I can handle the charging stuff too
10:35.29NIN101this can be done using usb-networking and telnetd which you activated on boot. no ssh in rescueOS. However, usb-networking can't be active while usb mass-storde mode is.
10:35.39zammyoh right telnet
10:35.50zammythat's is enabled for sure and I wanna use it
10:35.52zammyexperienced
10:36.40zammyso... telnet 192.168.1.72 and?
10:37.57zammyit's not by wifi...
10:38.06zammyoh gosh I am dumb
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10:39.52zammyI give up... at least after this 1:50 hour I hope my battery can resist until the end
10:41.11mashinai loved my N800 but hated the camera/stylus hump
10:42.28mashinai could kill a man with that thing
10:43.30mashinajust whack them on the head with an N800, fiddle around with it, watch them collapsed
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10:54.20ShadowJKairy plastic shells with lots of give are good for impact resistance
10:56.31mashinam6be i'd evfen take a picture with it's shitty camera
10:56.55mashina*its
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10:58.44ShadowJKi dont think ive ever used the camera
10:59.26mashiname neither
10:59.44mashinait kept the tradition for front facing cameras on everything to be shit
11:00.26mashinathe only device i've owned with a half decent one was a nexus 4 and it was for someone else
11:02.03mashinaalso the wifi range on the N800 was great
11:02.25mashinafull bars everywhere inside, can pick up wifi where my N900 can't or struggles
11:02.59zammywow wonderful features the n800
11:03.12zammya killer would buy it
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11:20.25ShadowJKI find my N900 has better wifi range than N800 or N810
11:21.03zammyI need to test the hit feature of my brick n900
11:21.26zammyI test on my dad's head
11:21.52zammyomg... n900 kills as well as
11:21.54DocScrutinizer05don't miss to install FlyN900 first
11:22.10zammyoh right let's test it again on my mum
11:22.57zammyuhmm gps now?
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11:24.01zammymummy is dead
11:24.08zammyomg this n900 is a killer
11:24.26zammynow remains to call 911
11:24.42DocScrutinizer05I start to get bored by posts on Neo900 thread
11:24.44zammyoh fuck so difficult to explain to n900 to call it
11:25.06zammyit wants kill my self omg
11:25.24DocScrutinizer05what are you smoking?
11:25.38zammythe n900 supply battery
11:25.39mashinai don't have 1000$ to spend a motherboard sadly
11:25.47mashinathis guy is high as fuck
11:25.58Wizzupquite
11:26.09zammyn900 kills all mothers even motherboard
11:26.27Wizzupcasts /ignore
11:26.35mashinacan i have what he's smoking?
11:26.50DocScrutinizer05stay clear of that stuff, it#s bad
11:26.56zammythe BL-5J battery
11:27.04zammyburn it
11:27.07zammyand smell
11:27.29mashinahe's high on lithium, watch out
11:27.34DocScrutinizer05hmm HF, tasty
11:28.55zammymashina seems to me mescalina
11:28.57zammyXD
11:30.52zammyDocScrutinizer05, I am copying also opt and user folders
11:31.00zammyfurther to mydocs
11:31.23DocScrutinizer05/etc
11:31.25mashinathis guy will run with / as fat32
11:31.33zammywho is fat
11:31.36zammyI am not fat
11:31.41zammyI am tight high
11:32.17zammyXD I love mescalima
11:32.29zammyanyway DocScrutinizer05 there is no etc folder
11:32.38DocScrutinizer05right
11:32.41zammyall I saw is just opt and user and mydocs
11:32.57DocScrutinizer05forget about opt
11:33.26zammyI forget too many things lastely... maybe I must stop with LSA
11:33.32zammyand LSD
11:33.35zammyand mescalina
11:33.57DocScrutinizer05start with stopping noise
11:34.04zammyright
11:34.05mashinadont do drugs
11:34.05zammysure
11:34.16zammyI produce it but taste is my duty
11:34.32mashinatalk.maemo.org supports Mothers Against Drunk IRC.
11:36.11DocScrutinizer05talk.m.o supports karma now again
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11:37.03DocScrutinizer05so odds are some of you guys will receive a voting token this time, even when you didn't get one last time
11:37.12sonogood morning - Sent from my N900
11:37.26sonohow is everyone? - Sent from my N900
11:37.32sono=p
11:38.11mashinai shpuld do that to assert dominance over android users
11:39.02sonoif i want to change the mtdparts i can do so through flasher3-5 command line options ans it will set them up for me?
11:39.48zammymashina n900 can kills all androids
11:39.55zammyhumanoids and aliens
11:41.17entitledhey sono - Sent from my N900 using Irssi
11:41.19zammysono I don't eat flesh anymore... I don't attend mtdparts
11:42.01zammyI can't give advices to you if you did not get it
11:42.10zammyjust in case I told you
11:43.27sonoso? - Sent from my N900 using mosh, tmux and irssi.
11:43.40mashinai use ssh tmux and irssi
11:43.48mashinanot cool yet
11:43.58sono8========D
11:44.15sonoso mature
11:44.28ApicI use ssh, GNU Screen and irssi
11:44.55mashinascreen? you disgust me
11:45.04Apic;-P
11:45.12ApicMr. Schrödinger rules.
11:45.18ApicOr Schröder?
11:45.27mashinawhy dont yiu use tmux
11:45.42sono~coreutils
11:45.42infobotif coreutils doesn't show any more colors for +x files, update coreutils from deb http://ludicrus.ath.cx/debian/ ./
11:45.50sonohm
11:46.03ApicIt does not have the same Default Input Layouts and I am too lazy to configure it.
11:46.49sonoah, gnu-
11:47.03mashinaisnt busybox good enough
11:47.28sonono.
11:48.00zammywho saw The Trip on youtube
11:51.20DocScrutinizer05sono: mtdparts are hardcoded into flasher, NOLO dunnowhatelse
11:51.55DocScrutinizer05that's the reason why they didn't nuke initrd mtdpart
11:52.12DocScrutinizer05even on N900 where it#s orphaned and abandoned
11:52.33DocScrutinizer05a pity since it#s too small for even ubifs
11:52.41zammypoor orphaned n900
11:52.50zammypoor too small
11:53.03DocScrutinizer05oh please stop it
11:53.08zammyok
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11:53.16sonohm
11:53.27sonothanks for the caution, doc
11:53.57DocScrutinizer05np
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11:57.04DocScrutinizer05sono: you know `cat /proc/mtd`
11:57.44sonoyea, i was missing them from cmdline so they must be compiled in
11:58.22sonoand i read about someone who evidently customized it, as i want to as well
11:58.43sonoit can wait
11:59.20sonothis phone is so sexy
11:59.35zammydon't use in that way you are thinking at
11:59.39DocScrutinizer05customized what?
11:59.53sonomtdparts layout
11:59.59DocScrutinizer05o.O
12:00.25DocScrutinizer05you need to patch kernel at least, and this will still cause havoc when flashing
12:00.45sonowhy not? it is no dark magic. bigger root, less home
12:00.52DocScrutinizer05unless you patch NOLO and flasher as well
12:01.06DocScrutinizer05huh?
12:01.08sonoloves patching kernels.
12:01.39DocScrutinizer05you're aware that home is on a different chip?
12:02.10zammychips not only partitions?
12:02.18DocScrutinizer05are you sure you don't mix this with eMMC repartitioning?
12:02.24sonofrantically types mount
12:02.30sonopossibly
12:02.40sono=3
12:02.50DocScrutinizer05NAND MTD is 256MB total
12:02.54sonooh
12:03.04sonoi see
12:03.10sonothanks
12:03.48sonoyea, i am doing mny things at once...
12:04.49DocScrutinizer05for eMMC repartitioning see
12:04.52DocScrutinizer05~jrtools
12:04.52infobotjrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
12:05.27DocScrutinizer05most easy way to get eMMC repartitioned
12:05.41DocScrutinizer05also see
12:05.45DocScrutinizer05~ptification
12:05.47zammyso I am right... not different devices... but partitions
12:05.49DocScrutinizer05~optification
12:05.50infobotoptification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,  http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"
12:06.06DocScrutinizer05...and how /opt is a bindmount to /home/opt
12:06.56zammybut if I want install the archlinux version of n900 firmware
12:07.01zammyI don't need to backup opt
12:07.13DocScrutinizer05also check maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh        maemo-optify-firstboot.sh       maemo-optify-lib.sh             maemo-optify-make-mountbind.sh
12:08.39DocScrutinizer05sono: see also about meego: installing to uSd / installing to eMMC
12:11.06DocScrutinizer05kolp: what been our problem with Itt karma now?
12:11.19DocScrutinizer05I admit I can't spot when we fixed it
12:11.25DocScrutinizer05and how
12:12.56sonowell i will remember to search for this in the logs; not flashing at this point
12:13.05sonothe binds, yes...
12:13.14DocScrutinizer05hah, Dave Neary reclaimed his karma 7 minutes ago
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12:52.55zammyfinally finished to backup
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13:07.44zammyDocScrutinizer05, what is the latest firmware to flash on?
13:07.52zammy~firmware
13:07.52infobotrumour has it, firmware is hardware that is beginning to melt  Firmware for GrandStream phones is at http://www.hellofone.com/files/
13:08.03DocScrutinizer05~pr131
13:08.03infobothmm... combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin  or  http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
13:08.18zammypr sounds like a fart did someone say that?
13:09.43zammynevermind... anyway which is the difference of both bins?
13:09.56DocScrutinizer05~flashing
13:09.56infobotmaemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
13:10.17zammyI know this... thankful for repeating...
13:10.23DocScrutinizer05ooh, those two. none
13:10.41zammylol?
13:10.46DocScrutinizer05?
13:11.15zammyno difference between RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
13:11.24zammyoh right
13:11.36zammythere is no... but wth two links
13:11.58zammyalright the fastest won
13:12.54zammyand DocScrutinizer05 what about new OS for next n900?
13:13.29zammywhat such neo900
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13:13.52dos1zammy: eveyone will be free to create/port any OS to neo900
13:14.05dos1it will be open platform, just like pc
13:14.33dos1(or like openmoko devices, or like gta04 is right now)
13:14.35DocScrutinizer05hi dos1
13:14.40zammydo you mean automatic upgrade?
13:14.51dos1DocScrutinizer05: hello
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13:16.27zammysmooth upgrade it says well so what's the problem... if I want to install right now neo900
13:17.38dos1zammy: sorry, I don't really understand you
13:17.40DocScrutinizer05gives up
13:18.44zammydos1, I read on neo900.org it says smooth upgrade for n900
13:19.00dos1zammy: hardware upgrade
13:19.06zammyand there is a talk.maemo post very interesting... and it's enough I don't read all the posts
13:19.22zammyyes... and also about the LTE upgrade right now I was reading
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13:19.47zammybut... what about the bin for flashing the neo900 right now that I need to flash
13:20.06dos1zammy: there's no neo900 produced yet
13:20.12zammyoh...
13:20.17dos1so obviously there are no images available for neo900 yet
13:21.14Humpelstilzchenwhat about graphic support on n900? Will we be able to get a powervr version?
13:24.33zammythe talk.maemo speask also about 700euro for the complete product
13:24.52zammybut if I wanna just upgrade does not tell about that
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13:31.54zammyif my battery is at 30% of level can I flash n900 DocScrutinizer05 ?
13:35.56keriono
13:36.00keriowell
13:36.04kerioit'll probably allow you to do so
13:36.04keriobut no
13:36.23keriodon't do that
13:36.26keriocharge the battery
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13:39.22zammycan istop topress u?
13:39.54zammyalright I had to change battery
13:41.59zammyDocScrutinizer05, it finished the sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f
13:42.02zammyand now?
13:42.58zammyit kept one minute and I don't see the reason why it needed the full battery
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13:50.03dos1zammy: for just a motherboard it's going to be somewhere around 100-150 EUR cheaper
13:50.45zammyso 600euro?
13:50.50zammy550?
13:50.59dos1we'll see, those are just estimations for now
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13:56.54zammyrebooted device all fine mates
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15:23.05DrCodehi all
15:23.17DrCodeI am looking for app in maemo that can send sms when I missed call , like I will call later or I am in a meeting?
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15:41.49sono~skype
15:41.49infobot[~skype] Skype is a free VoIP software and service using a closed client and propritary protocol. Only commercial channel drivers exist, with most solutions being complex, complicated, and hack-ish . Digium's SkypeForAsterisk (see ~SkypeForAsterisk) is a new solution that is a cleaner non-dependent option.
15:43.32kolpDocScrutinizer05: (how we fixed karma) I'm not entirely sure myself either, but it might have just been the casts?!?
15:46.08jon_y~propritary~
15:46.19jon_ynot sure if on purpose :)
15:51.01sonokarma?
15:51.11sono~karma
15:51.11infobotsono has neutral karma
15:51.47sonoi remember seeing that feature years ago in some other #...
15:53.04kolpsono: If you have an accoun ton maemo.org (not tmo) you can accumulate karma. And use that for passive or active voting on the community council
15:53.21kolps/not/in addition to/
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16:12.01sonocock
16:12.09sonos/cock/thanks
16:12.15sonos/cock/thanks/
16:12.21sono...
16:12.33sonoa common mistake.
16:12.57sonothe keys are ok.
16:13.20sonobut how do you press ctrl-a without going insane
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16:23.40sono~tvout
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16:26.38sono~mumble
16:26.38infobotsomebody said mumble was an open source, low-latency, high quality voice chat software primarily intended for use while gaming, found at http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
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17:29.11sonomumble is in extras-devel and unstable
17:29.21sonoinfobot: forget mumble
17:29.22infobotsono: i forgot mumble
17:29.36sonoinfobot: mumble is in extras-devel and unstable
17:29.36infobotsono: okay
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17:30.38sonono luck with input. crash when opening settings dialog. error log spam.
17:32.46sono~alsamixer
17:33.04BCMMwhy can't i see the uSD card over MSC?
17:33.12sonoinfobot: alsamixer is alsamixer -c 0
17:33.12infobotsono: I think you lost me on that one
17:33.12BCMM(on a desktop linux machine)
17:33.42sonois that supposed to be an  error message?
17:34.10sonoBCMM: dmesg?
17:34.10SiceloBCMM: msc being?
17:34.30sono~alsamixer
17:34.39sonoinfobot: forget alsamixer
17:34.39infoboti didn't have anything called 'alsamixer' to forget, sono
17:34.46Siceloand sono .. what's happening?
17:34.52sonoinfobot: alsamixer is "alsamixer -c 0"
17:34.52infobotokay, sono
17:34.59sonoinfobot: thanks
17:34.59infobotpas de quoi, sono
17:35.07BCMMSicelo: sorry, i mean USB MSC
17:35.10BCMMi mean, mass storage mode
17:35.20sonoBCMM: dmesg?
17:35.33Sicelolikely BCMM you have something using it in maemo
17:35.50Sicelotry lsof.. even though it is not perfect in maemo
17:36.07BCMMSicelo: nah, it became inaccessible in maemo
17:36.34BCMMor at least, file manager said it was
17:36.35Siceloah, lol.. so no way it will be accesible via storage mode..
17:36.40BCMMi guess i didn't actually check
17:36.41Sicelowait..
17:36.44Sicelooh
17:38.09Siceloso make sure of that.. then do an fdisk on the appropriate sdX drive on computer once you plug you N900
17:38.50BCMMSicelo: i only got one sdX on the desktop
17:38.53BCMM(and that was mydocs)
17:39.11Sicelomydocs is not uSD
17:39.47BCMMi know; they are supposed to come up as two devices on the host machine, right?
17:39.50BCMMlike, sdc and sdd?
17:40.02Sicelonop
17:40.11Sicelojust one.. but with two fs
17:40.20Sicelosdc1 , sdc2
17:40.32Sicelosomething like that.. let me confirm though
17:41.36Sicelolol, ok. you are right
17:41.50Siceloshould have two devices
17:42.02BCMMand i checked, maemo has unmounted it
17:42.08BCMMit might be a problem with my desktop tbh
17:42.13BCMMremovable media is slightly odd
17:42.30BCMMfor some reason, KDE doesn't pop up a notice about something being plugged in until a read at least a byte from it
17:42.42BCMMe.g. i do `file -s /dev/sdc`
17:43.00BCMMbut now i'm offtopic
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17:43.59Sicelobut if fdisk doesn't show it.. i doubt i could blame KDE
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17:47.03SiceloBCMM: you're absolutely sure `fdisk -l` doesn't show the uSD?
17:47.26BCMMwill try again in a minute
17:47.32BCMMdidn't try fdisk -l
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19:12.44BCMMMyDocs is readonly, and i can't tell why
19:12.56BCMMi have fsck'ed it from another computer in mass storage mode, and it's fine
19:13.11BCMMit seems to have started after i manually unmounted the microSD card (not MyDocs)
19:13.19BCMMhow can i get a read-only MyDocs back?
19:15.01sonorescueoss?
19:15.49sono~rescueos
19:15.49infobothmm... rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
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19:39.50zamn900hello guys
19:40.13zamn900i am using a faster ans brand new n900
19:40.38zamn900thank you too doc
19:41.01zamn900idk how to make tab here chatting in xchat
19:47.27zamn900lol
19:47.41zamn900too dark xhat
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19:57.15BCMMsono: how does rescueOS help in this situation?
19:57.25BCMMi mean, what should i do with rescueOS?
19:57.37BCMMthe FAT seems to be fine, it just keeps mounting ro
19:58.16zamn900hello
19:58.45zamn900DocScrutinizer05, hello
19:59.38zamn900BCMM, if you have boot menu installed
19:59.43BCMMzamn900: i do
19:59.52zamn900you can even use that
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20:00.16BCMMzamn900: i'm rebooting, but i'm not sure what i need to do with boot menu
20:00.17zamn900to open your folders into your pc by usb
20:00.33BCMMi already fscked MyDocs over USB
20:00.40zamn900alright
20:00.59zamn900so for what you are asking for rescueos?
20:01.16BCMMzamn900: sono told me to use it, i asked him why
20:01.29zamn900so I am
20:01.48BCMM... i don't understand
20:02.00zamn900I don't too
20:02.07BCMMmy problem, as far as i'm concerned, is that mydocs is mounted read-only
20:03.03zamn900oh that's simply an option change which fixes that
20:03.15BCMMit may have started after i accidentally removed the battery while it was running
20:03.23zamn900the option is inside fstab
20:03.32BCMMbut i saw a message telling me it was RO right after i manually unmounted the SD card
20:03.51zamn900yes that happens
20:03.56BCMMzamn900: it also gets mounted read-only if it's corrupted
20:04.01BCMMmaybe i'm using fsck wrong
20:04.12zamn900hold on
20:04.29zamn900you checked around the fstab stuff
20:04.32zamn900?
20:05.18BCMMzamn900: it's an n900
20:05.28BCMMthe fstab is created at boot or something
20:05.39BCMManyway, in backupmenu, fstab is blank
20:05.45zamn900but n900 has fstab too
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20:06.36BCMMthe fstab is created automatically; modifications to it are not preserved
20:06.55BCMMand right now i'm in backupmenu's console, so fstab is blank
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20:07.08zamn900well let's compare our fstab
20:07.33zamn900I ve just installed my n900 from zero today
20:07.36zamn900soo
20:08.59zammyBCMM, this is my option related to MyDocs as brand new installed maemo on n900 noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir inside the fstab
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20:16.53BCMMso something actually is wrong with the partition, and it didn't show up the first time...
20:16.58BCMMi seem to have lost a lot of files
20:17.33BCMMargh, read errors over usb
20:18.43zamn900BCMM, did you find differences comparing the line I posted you with yours?
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