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| 01:18.34 | bennypr0fane | hello. would anyone know how I can find out which version of tracker is used in Maemo? |
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| 02:33.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmpf |
| 02:34.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the record (since he left): tracker-control -V |
| 02:36.22 | psycho_oreos | I was going to suggest dpkg -l| grep tracker Oh well, not our fault he got impatient. ;) |
| 02:56.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: gives zilch |
| 02:57.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops |
| 02:57.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | wrong terminal |
| 02:57.32 | psycho_oreos | Heh, I was about to say almost unlikely. |
| 02:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and tracker-controller doesn't exist in maemo :-S |
| 02:59.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *hate* this idiotic saving of a few 100 bytes in a 250MB rootfs |
| 03:00.33 | psycho_oreos | lol, a measly 100b space saved. |
| 03:01.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ii tracker 0.6.95-35maemo1+0m5+0cssu0 All-in-one indexer, search tool and metadata database. |
| 03:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | how humble |
| 03:02.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and none of those friggin tracker-* tools seems to support -V |
| 03:02.59 | psycho_oreos | o.O |
| 03:03.25 | psycho_oreos | I thought there might have been a way somewhere with those individual tracker-* binaries. |
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| 03:13.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, they save a few 100 bytes in binaries of >50k by leaving out --help and --version support |
| 03:13.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | my first linux system: <20MB, *incl swap* |
| 03:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks sabe, doesn't it? |
| 03:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | sane even |
| 03:16.31 | psycho_oreos | Whoa, less than 20MB, that is very small. |
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| 03:22.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | it wasn't small at that time |
| 03:23.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it came with complete set of manpages |
| 03:23.50 | psycho_oreos | Yeah, technology of course would change sporadically. |
| 03:23.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | for all that could have manpages at that time |
| 03:24.08 | psycho_oreos | Must have also very limited set of userland tools I'd gather. |
| 03:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it was several hundred cmdline tools anyway |
| 03:24.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | X11 wasn't too exciting though |
| 03:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a nightmare to configure, on that iirc cyrrus chipset |
| 03:26.49 | psycho_oreos | Haha I remember having to manually write out X11 config files awhile back. That was fun, along with meddling with (what was then) proprietary kernel video driver. |
| 03:27.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 03:27.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | at that time you even had to binary-patch the vmlinuz to tell what drive to mount / from |
| 03:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | or sth like that |
| 03:28.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course you also could've built your own kernel, which took only one day |
| 03:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | once you managed to boot to linux at all |
| 03:29.18 | psycho_oreos | I never had to binary-patch. Though running on vanilla kernels was heck a lot of fun. One bad mishap with trying to boot the kernel, you get kpanic. I've seen at numerous times VFS not SYNCED or something like that. |
| 03:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | there been a cmdline tool to patch the kernel, if only I could remeber how it been called. I think you needed it to make kernel boot from HDD instead of floppy |
| 03:31.17 | psycho_oreos | I also had to deal with rpmdb whenever it decides to chuck a spaz (broken installs for instance, requiring rpmdb to be rebuilt). This was at the time when Debian folks had apt-get for instance whilst the Redhat folks had to make do with apt-rpm or experimental yum (not available when I started rh8 but later became available). |
| 03:32.21 | psycho_oreos | I also recall at the time there was also ways to boot linux from DOS shell as well. |
| 03:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, loadlin |
| 03:32.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | .exe |
| 03:32.54 | psycho_oreos | Hahah yeah. |
| 03:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | those were the times |
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| 03:33.53 | jonwil | Gentoo makes things so easy, even a kernel upgrade is fairly simple these days |
| 03:34.00 | psycho_oreos | Compiling 2.4.x kernel was loads more interesting, there was far more text to show compared to the much more cleaner (and potentially organised) 2.6.x kernel. 2.5.x kernel were for those wanting to be on bleeding edge at the time. |
| 03:34.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, 1.x kernels FTW! ;-P |
| 03:35.19 | psycho_oreos | My only gripe with gentoo is that if only they also allow binary packages, I'm not particularly fond of having to compile everything from scratch when I want the machine to be up and running. Though notably I've heard numerous times that gentoo maintainers take more care as opposed to arch maintainers. |
| 03:35.51 | psycho_oreos | Heh 1.x kernels. I've never experienced that. I guess I was still in windows land at the time. |
| 03:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | must be like 20 years ago |
| 03:37.36 | psycho_oreos | Even if it was 20 years ago, I remember DOS days things that somewhat haunt me was the command prompt back then. |
| 03:37.53 | psycho_oreos | Good old 5 1/4 inch drives iinm. |
| 03:38.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 03:38.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | but before that came minix (Tanenbaum) |
| 03:38.55 | psycho_oreos | Loud and clunky {2,3}86 processor. |
| 03:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and before or during that time I used another *great* unixoid system: amigaOS |
| 03:39.49 | psycho_oreos | minix was probably what linux was initially based on. |
| 03:40.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | not rally afaik |
| 03:40.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe inspired by |
| 03:40.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | really* |
| 03:40.18 | psycho_oreos | I think amiga is still functioning lol, amiga64 or whatever it is now. They still charge people for the OS. |
| 03:40.47 | psycho_oreos | Ahh I stand corrected. I thought linux was a clone of minix that was in a bid to mimick unix. |
| 03:41.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minix_(Betriebssystem)#Streit_um_Linux_und_Minix |
| 03:43.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1992 Tanenbaum claimed that linux would soon be obsolete and replaced by a better system like GNU Hurd - LOL |
| 03:46.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tried to port minix to Amiga1000 in 1988, but it wasn't really feasible, thanks to the missing MMU in MotorRoller CPU |
| 03:48.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, Linus used Minix as a development environment to write linux |
| 04:00.04 | psycho_oreos | I sort of got carried away in the wikipedia loop (yet again). |
| 04:02.54 | psycho_oreos | Yeah though otherwise, minix is largely different from linux. hurd would probably be similar to minix's ideal goals in being non-monolithic kernel. |
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| 08:57.26 | Wizzup | hm... how programmable is the n900 usb mode? |
| 08:59.22 | Wizzup | is thinking of implementing some kind of yubikey |
| 09:00.41 | psycho_oreos | I don't know about yubikey (though I have heard of it or at least something like it awhile ago). Though there was ps3 jailbreak program which was also ported to N900 iinm. |
| 09:01.38 | kerio | Wizzup: very, i think |
| 09:01.55 | kerio | just write a usb gadget module |
| 09:01.56 | Wizzup | so, would it be possible to make the n900 act as a HID device? |
| 09:02.13 | Wizzup | (that's a key question) |
| 09:02.18 | Wizzup | kerio: I see |
| 09:07.27 | Wizzup | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62071 this confirms it I think |
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| 09:14.39 | Wizzup | will have fun with this |
| 09:14.42 | Wizzup | kerio: thanks for the pointer |
| 09:15.39 | kerio | i can give you another one! (char *)0xbabecafe |
| 09:16.07 | Wizzup | I prefer a cafebabe |
| 09:17.54 | Wizzup | so I guess I can make my laptop create a usb gadget as well? (to ease debugging...) |
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| 09:23.46 | kerio | mh, i don't know |
| 09:23.53 | kerio | Pali: what's a good way to debug a usb gadget module? |
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| 09:50.38 | Pali | if your laptop usb chip support peripheral mode, you can |
| 09:51.04 | Pali | but I did not see any pc motherboard with usb peripheral mode |
| 09:51.18 | Pali | anything is host mode only |
| 09:51.49 | Wizzup | ah, I see |
| 09:51.54 | Wizzup | but n900 does :) |
| 09:52.07 | Pali | way to debug kernel module? start kernel in qemu (which can connect to gdb server) and debug it in gdb |
| 09:52.28 | Wizzup | hm, no, I don't want to debug a kernel module |
| 09:52.31 | Pali | debugging life kernel - I think only printk |
| 09:52.42 | Wizzup | needs to setup a maemo sdk+emulator first anyway |
| 09:52.45 | Pali | and what you want to debug? |
| 09:52.52 | Wizzup | Pali: I want to build the gadget usb module and create usb gadgets |
| 09:53.23 | Wizzup | Pali: Although I guess the usb gadget module already exists... :) |
| 09:53.29 | Wizzup | but something like gadgetfs |
| 09:53.47 | Pali | I never worked with gadgetfs |
| 09:54.04 | Pali | so it is up to you |
| 09:54.17 | Pali | use maemo sdk or cross compiler |
| 09:54.47 | Pali | unload all gadget drivers (g_*) and load yours |
| 09:54.52 | Pali | and see what happen |
| 09:55.48 | Wizzup | ok |
| 09:55.50 | Wizzup | thank you |
| 09:56.06 | Wizzup | [I will play with this later] |
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| 18:49.43 | Sicelo | one of the times Maemo drives me crazy is when you connect N900 in usb storage mode, and MyDocs doesn't get exported. you're told the filesystem is busy. howeverer, you're not running anything at the time which is using MyDocs. you check with `lsof` and the command ends peacefully. nothing returned. |
| 18:50.29 | Pali | lsof on maemo not working correctly |
| 18:50.35 | Pali | fuser too |
| 18:50.44 | Pali | thanks messybox! |
| 18:51.13 | Sicelo | most times i reboot the device.. but like right now, i really with to avoid it |
| 18:51.49 | Pali | something is using MyDocs and lsof show you messy output... |
| 18:52.13 | Defiant | uhm did anyone succeeded in using a 3rd party charger for n900? |
| 18:52.20 | Pali | because lsof implementation is messy and is part of messybox |
| 18:53.08 | Sicelo | lsof returns nothing at this moment.. |
| 18:53.33 | Defiant | aah I see pin 2 and 3.. |
| 18:53.34 | Pali | so it is messy :-) |
| 18:53.39 | Sicelo | Defiant: if you shot its data pins somehow |
| 18:53.43 | Sicelo | *short |
| 18:53.57 | Sicelo | Pali: reboot? |
| 18:54.15 | Pali | you can try rebooting... |
| 18:54.34 | Pali | or closing all applications |
| 18:54.37 | Sicelo | aw, i was really hoping to avoid that |
| 18:54.45 | Sicelo | all applications are closed :P |
| 18:54.46 | Pali | specialy camera, mediaplayer... |
| 18:55.06 | Pali | or you can look into /proc/*/fd/ |
| 18:55.23 | Pali | and try to find process which has opened something in MyDocs |
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| 18:55.34 | ecc3g | seems a lot of recent chargers indeed short the data pins together but are lacking in other ways... |
| 18:55.39 | Pali | or check /proc/* pwd |
| 18:55.51 | Defiant | ecc3g: what other ways? |
| 18:58.54 | ecc3g | mostly bad electronics - can't supply the full current |
| 18:59.02 | Defiant | doh |
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| 21:09.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's silly |
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| 21:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | must be really crappy chargers when they can't deliver the 1000mA the N900 needs |
| 21:21.37 | ShadowJK | Those single-transistor smps |
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| 21:35.14 | ShadowJK | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T88ej64aXUM |
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