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| 04:40.23 | divVerent | 01:24:19 okias | divVerent: ping, you tried compile mpv on maemo? |
| 04:40.26 | divVerent | no, not yet |
| 04:40.30 | divVerent | don't expect this to go well anyway |
| 04:40.37 | divVerent | did already anyone build sdl2 for maemo? |
| 04:41.10 | divVerent | the only maemo supported vo of mpv would be x11 (forget it), xv (I heared Xv extension is there but broken on Maemo) and sdl2 (via GLES2) |
| 04:41.29 | divVerent | even IF it should work, it'd eat battery like hell |
| 04:41.53 | divVerent | to properly run on Maemo, probably this omx thing would need supporting for the HW overlay |
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| 05:51.28 | kerio | pdanek: it's probably immoral |
| 05:51.29 | kerio | but who cares? |
| 06:00.13 | psycho_oreos | Unless you happen to be that unfortunate owner whom is footing the bill and any civil liabilities for allowing someone to carry out malicious acts using another person's identity. |
| 06:00.34 | psycho_oreos | i.e. footing the bill and impersonation. |
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| 06:08.02 | pdanek | I see. |
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| 06:17.45 | psycho_oreos | certainly wouldn't want a 'freeloader' that would do businesses with say for instance terrorists groups and all of the sudden have feds knocking on my door. :p |
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| 07:38.26 | kwtm | is there a sendmail client or equivalent like msmtp that we can use to directly send email without using the N900's GUI email program? |
| 07:45.43 | Pali | kwtm: compile and use msmtp |
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| 07:47.09 | kwtm | Pali: Ah, so msmtp is available. Will look into it. Unfortunately I will not have time to figure out how to compile before I need it (perhaps another day) so if it does need to be compiled I'll have to look for alternatives. Thx. |
| 07:47.32 | kwtm | Pali: I don't suppose there's some SMTP program that is installed by default that the Nokia app uses? |
| 07:47.53 | Pali | I think these is only modest mail client |
| 07:47.57 | Pali | nothing more |
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| 10:20.51 | int_ua | Why doesn't hildon-desktop have niceness of -5 or less? I've tried -10 and didn't see any drawbacks, only impovements in responsiveness. |
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| 10:27.47 | int_ua | Also, while using swap on SD it looks like file transfers doesn't slow down the system as much as with swap on emmc. Does something uses swap to download files before writing them to the actual location? |
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| 10:28.13 | int_ua | Although, nice in /etc/event.d/hildon-desktop doesn't seem to work |
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| 14:17.24 | sixwheeledbeast | int_ua: this is one of the main benefits to swap on uSD |
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| 14:20.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | (niceness) yes, should be, dunno if or why it isn't. (swap) indeed that's exactly what kills performance on e.g. large copy operations: buffers in RAM cause swap activity |
| 14:20.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | swappiness=100 doing that to the system |
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| 14:21.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | also mmc-queue-nr or whatever the name of that parameter |
| 14:23.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | having a large number of queue entries inproves performance for many tiny writes since the fs-driver can concatenate them into one write of ideally flashpage size. OTOH many queue entries also mean many buffers in RAM which in turn swaps out all the program text |
| 14:24.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus for slightly larger chunk writes a huge number of queue entries is detrimental |
| 14:25.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | which bites your ass on e.g. `cp -r $uSD/* MyDocs/ ` |
| 14:27.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the swap "pressure" crated by the lots of buffers cp will create results in all other tasks constantly swapping out and then in again when they need to run |
| 14:27.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | this constant swapping brings system to a grinding halt that even can result in watchdog booting the system |
| 14:28.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and, kswapd isn't preempt-able |
| 14:30.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | as soon as kernel - for even a low-prio task - needs to swap in some missing pages, the system is "frozen" inside kswapd and no other task fill run until the swap event got completed |
| 14:30.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | all of the above disclaimer: aiui |
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| 17:11.44 | lizardo | DocScrutinizer05: are you working on fixing www.scratchbox.org ? |
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| 17:35.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly, what's to fix with it? |
| 17:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | maintainer of that "domain" is thedead1440 |
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| 18:16.15 | kerio | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 18:16.17 | kerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.19 | kerio | SO IT BEGINS |
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| 18:20.24 | kolp | o.O |
| 18:23.37 | kerio | i'm sure it's just for some optional daemonization for something |
| 18:23.38 | kerio | but still |
| 18:29.15 | kolp | Which distro is that? |
| 18:34.46 | kerio | deb |
| 18:47.53 | Pali | what debian and systemd together? |
| 18:47.55 | Pali | now? |
| 18:47.59 | Pali | WTF? |
| 18:49.01 | Pali | kerio: do you want that all people here on #maemo will need to see a doctor?? |
| 18:49.17 | wnd | Priority: extra |
| 18:49.38 | kerio | well |
| 18:49.53 | Pali | see above "... has quit" messages... |
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| 18:50.02 | kerio | apparently it's only depended upon by systemd, python-systemd, libsystemd-daemon-dev, syslog-ng-core, php5-fpm, mpd, transmission-daemon |
| 18:50.14 | kerio | and meh, it's just a lib |
| 18:51.03 | Pali | somebody already got headache ^^ |
| 18:51.21 | Pali | syslog?? |
| 18:51.31 | Pali | php?? |
| 18:51.42 | Pali | mpd?? |
| 18:51.50 | wnd | iirc debian unstable has had sysv, upstart and systemd for some years now |
| 18:51.53 | kerio | This package provides the Fast Process Manager interpreter that runs as a daemon and receives Fast/CGI requests. |
| 18:51.56 | kerio | wnd: exactly |
| 18:51.57 | Pali | what would be next getty? |
| 18:52.02 | kerio | it still defaults to sysv though :3 |
| 18:52.20 | wnd | as it should until all issues are ironed out |
| 18:52.40 | Pali | systemd is one big issue |
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| 18:52.50 | kerio | Pali: i think it's to offer multiple init scripts |
| 18:52.54 | kerio | but still :v |
| 18:53.23 | Pali | why debian cannot use openrc? |
| 18:53.35 | Pali | but must start using that systemd? |
| 18:54.09 | Wizzup | debian will use openrc I think |
| 18:55.32 | kerio | Pali: hold your horses |
| 18:55.39 | kerio | there's support |
| 18:59.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | *I* already got headache |
| 19:00.27 | Wizzup | and is debian really going to systemd? I hope not |
| 19:00.36 | Wizzup | cherishes his gentoo |
| 19:01.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | latest OpenSuse already declares sysV-init "unsupported, please check systemd if you experience any problems during boot" >:-(( |
| 19:01.42 | Wizzup | all sanity is lost |
| 19:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | suckers |
| 19:03.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems like redhat CEO actually wears a red hat |
| 19:03.15 | kerio | didn't debian switch to upstart for a while? |
| 19:03.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise they would've fired lennart long ago |
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| 19:04.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and OpenSuse sheep following that nonsense :-/ |
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| 19:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | a shame |
| 19:05.42 | wnd | http://people.debian.org/~biebl/lpc-2010/debian-init.pdf : "there is no mechanism in Debian to force something like systemd into the distribution, but having -- makes such a large transition possible" |
| 19:06.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 19:07.30 | kerio | "acknowledge that Debian users are more conservative and expect that upgrades don't break their system" |
| 19:07.31 | kerio | haha |
| 19:07.33 | kerio | hahahah |
| 19:07.35 | kerio | are you fucking kidding me |
| 19:07.37 | kerio | hahahahahah |
| 19:07.52 | kerio | "guys, these users actually expect shit to not break horribly" |
| 19:08.59 | Pali | kerio: start supporting kfreebsd port of debian |
| 19:09.04 | kerio | hell no |
| 19:09.12 | Pali | then systemd cannot be part of debian |
| 19:09.28 | Pali | because bsd is incompatible with systemd |
| 19:13.37 | dos1 | don't worry, systemd won't be default in Debian |
| 19:14.31 | dos1 | it's already supported for a long time as an option |
| 19:14.35 | Pali | I think it will be... |
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| 19:14.57 | Pali | in every distribution somebody forced systemd |
| 19:15.17 | dos1 | it can't, thanks to Debian GNU/kFreeBSD and Debian GNU/Hurd |
| 19:15.31 | Pali | and this system shit is everywhere... |
| 19:15.56 | Pali | some future gnome version want to have system shit dependency |
| 19:16.27 | pdanek | http://youtu.be/rWux-PA6JCU |
| 19:16.37 | Pali | and if this gnome do, then also other developers of others DE got this stupid idea... |
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| 19:17.27 | Pali | and some other devs of some other sw start doing similar... because DE already using it |
| 19:17.43 | Pali | and we will see system shit everywhere |
| 19:18.10 | Pali | look what happened with PA |
| 19:18.25 | Pali | now maybe every app has support for PA |
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| 19:18.39 | Pali | and some will drop alsa support |
| 19:18.43 | dos1 | so? I don't have PA installed on my Debian |
| 19:18.49 | dos1 | everything works well |
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| 19:21.44 | Pali | then its ok |
| 19:21.55 | Pali | but I'am afraid of systemd... |
| 19:21.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] autobuilder VM paused for maintenance, ETA now+24h |
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| 19:54.33 | robotanarchy | I also hate systemd >_> |
| 19:56.04 | wnd | echo -e "Package: pulseaudio\nPin: origin ""\Ĺ‹Pin-Priority: -1" | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/no-pulseaudio # wtf :-) |
| 19:56.17 | wnd | erm, s/wtf/ftw/ |
| 19:59.33 | wnd | still, there are already packages that hard-depend on PA :-( |
| 19:59.55 | wnd | even when the application in question has a configure option to be compiled with alsa |
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| 23:47.24 | ernest75 | greeting the room |
| 23:48.46 | ernest75 | anybody noticed scratchbox hator repo stopped to work? i got error when updating catalogs on ubuntu. W:Failed to fetch http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/hathor/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found |
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