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| 01:00.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: that's a pretty bad idea |
| 01:01.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | suid messybox |
| 01:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and su in messybox is not working |
| 01:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw how would messybox know that it shouldn't drop permissions for ping? |
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| 03:45.34 | ecc3g | the messybox devs have looked into this, it drops root privs for everything but su, ping, etc. or at least it tries to... Not to say there may be bugs and be exploitable but they did add in support for it |
| 03:46.13 | ecc3g | I have an embedded box with suid busybox, I don't get a rootshell when I run busybox ash, but can su and ping with it. |
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| 05:20.19 | kerio | ecc3g: assuming one trusts busybox |
| 05:20.29 | kerio | and it's kinda hard to do |
| 05:20.32 | kerio | because busybox is HUUUUUUUGE |
| 05:46.33 | psycho_oreos | The case is gets more worse when one uses busybox-power for instance and wants suid on that as well. |
| 05:46.57 | psycho_oreos | s/is// |
| 05:47.39 | psycho_oreos | Hmm... }:/ *shrugs* |
| 05:47.42 | psycho_oreos | !botsnack |
| 05:47.48 | psycho_oreos | botsnack |
| 05:48.02 | psycho_oreos | Gah. |
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| 06:48.56 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 06:48.56 | infobot | kerio: aw, gee |
| 06:49.00 | kerio | ~<3 |
| 06:49.00 | infobot | i heard <3 is love |
| 06:49.04 | kerio | it is! |
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| 08:03.10 | brolin_empey | Can I recover from my “$ time sudo chvt 1” experiment by using only the video console? I know I could log in remotely via ssh but that would be cheating. :-P |
| 08:06.17 | brolin_empey | To which virtual terminal is the X server attached on Maemo 5? |
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| 08:10.07 | brolin_empey | Incidentally: Is rasterburn literally a terminal illness? ;-) |
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| 08:19.49 | brolin_empey | Haha: brolin-N900 is disconnected from my LAN and, of course, I cannot connect it to my LAN without using the video console, which I cannot use until I run chvt via ssh, which I cannot do until I can access brolin-N900 via my LAN. :-D |
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| 08:25.45 | brolin_empey | believes the moral of this story is to ensure that Maemo is remotely accessible /before/ experimenting with changing the foreground virtual terminal on Maemo. |
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| 08:32.09 | brolin_empey | freemangordon: Pali: Any news regarding my 2 kernel-power patches? |
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| 08:40.10 | Pali | brolin_empey: my notebook with maemo env is in service... |
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| 08:40.33 | Pali | need to wait until they repair it |
| 08:56.51 | brolin_empey | Pali: OK. |
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| 09:16.28 | MrPingu | Hi |
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| 09:41.18 | jonwil | ~seen DocScrutinizer05 |
| 09:41.22 | infobot | docscrutinizer05 is currently on #openmoko (11h 45m 53s) #openmoko-cdevel (11h 45m 53s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 8h 37m 5s, last said: 'btw how would messybox know that it shouldn't drop permissions for ping?'. |
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| 11:36.53 | jonwil | DocScrutinizer05: ping |
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| 15:05.17 | ZogG_laptop | ~botsnack |
| 15:05.17 | infobot | :), ZogG_laptop |
| 15:05.21 | ZogG_laptop | :) |
| 15:08.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: pong |
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| 15:56.20 | ashley | is there a FOSS Game Boy Color emulator for Fremantle? |
| 16:06.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, i'd be pretty surprised if not |
| 16:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc there are gameboy "emulators" in verilog, for FPGA ;-) |
| 16:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you would expect some silly software emulator been built by a student for his graduate in CS |
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| 16:29.06 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, how much would a single NeoXXX cost if it was reworked to fit another case assuming that the Neo900 reaches the production threshold? (including payment for project members time to do the modified design etc etc) |
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| 16:43.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: please rephrase |
| 16:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem too dull to parse that, atm |
| 16:44.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you mean modify a GTA04 board build to custom, to fit in frankencase? |
| 16:45.05 | qwazix | let's say I had the money to order a special-made NeoXXX board that fits into E7 case or Droid 4 case, how much would that cost, assuming Neo900 reaches production |
| 16:45.17 | qwazix | yes exactly |
| 16:45.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, arounf 2500..6000 |
| 16:46.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | feasibility analysis pending |
| 16:47.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | GTA04 already reached production, the situations wasn't any different for GTA04-NeoN board once we got it working |
| 16:47.21 | qwazix | don't put any effort in that silly idea, I don't have that kind of money, but I'm just pondering whether building a Neo950, would help the project assuming N950's sell for outrageous prices |
| 16:47.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB that's a very rough and uneducated guess of me personally |
| 16:48.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/CustomVariants/ ask Nikolaus |
| 16:48.47 | dos1 | ashley: I remember playing some GBC games on my N900 |
| 16:49.43 | qwazix | The line of thought was this, if synergies of working on Neo900 help drive the initial cost of creating another variant in a fancier case would be near 2k eur (a usual price for N950's on ebay) maybe selling just 2 of those could cover the initial investment, and then any more sold would help on the Neo900 bottom line by just increasing the total order number |
| 16:50.07 | qwazix | hopes he made some kind of sense |
| 16:50.08 | joga | ashley, perhaps "vgb" |
| 16:50.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: makes some kind of sense, but is missing on a specific detail: those costs are not income/profit |
| 16:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW we will not own 2*2k of gambling money after selling 2 pcs franken-GTA04 |
| 16:52.21 | dos1 | ashley: but it looks like VGB/VGBA aren't free |
| 16:52.26 | dos1 | maybe visualboyadvance? |
| 16:53.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, we are considering to sell Neo900-protos unconditionally, no matter which threshold of preorders reached or not reached. For ~5k you can order one any time |
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| 16:55.11 | qwazix | I know, I'm just thinking that maybe there are X people interested in Neo900, Y people that would pay outrageous money for Neo950, and Z people that would pay the regular price for Neo950. Now if there is a scheme (kickstarter perks?) to gauge if Y>2 then the total component orders would be X+Z driving the consumer cost for both Neo900 and Neo950 down. |
| 16:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course we can't guarantee any special properties like standby time etc, which would need several such protoboards to get built and debugged and fixed/improved |
| 16:56.44 | qwazix | does standby time depend so much on board layout? |
| 16:56.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: that fails on N950 case availability, as well as N950 using another SOC |
| 16:57.05 | qwazix | E7 is pretty similar to N950 |
| 16:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | N950 hw design is quite different to N900/GTA04 design |
| 16:58.11 | qwazix | :nod: still it may attract the odd buyer |
| 16:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but it doesn't help us |
| 16:59.18 | qwazix | if it doesn't then the point is moot, I was thinking that it might do because of the same components, even if board layout is different |
| 16:59.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | all the contrary it would require us to source yet another SoC and other components, which all are different to those used in GTA04-NeoN |
| 17:00.15 | qwazix | why another SoC? |
| 17:00.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, scratch the SoC |
| 17:00.30 | jonwil | in order to be able to run N950 software |
| 17:00.40 | jonwil | oh wait no |
| 17:00.46 | jonwil | my mistake, thinking of something else |
| 17:00.52 | qwazix | jonwil, that's up to a similar HPTF to do |
| 17:01.14 | jonwil | in any case n950 case is unavailable on market so thats the real issue for neo950 |
| 17:01.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it starts with the custom storage PoP chip with its 1GB of RAM that's not even "existing" according to aunt google |
| 17:01.27 | qwazix | or even there would probably be buyers (even more) longing for a N950/E7 form factor with fremantle |
| 17:02.03 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, rarest N950's which sell most expensive are the 512mb ones, so that doesn't seem to bother buyere |
| 17:02.08 | qwazix | buyers |
| 17:02.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | the target market for that is tiny |
| 17:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and probably limited to "original" N950, built by Nokia |
| 17:03.33 | qwazix | It is. That's why I said, if the costs are around $2k-$4k and there are enough buyers pre-ordering then it might be a good idea. |
| 17:03.55 | qwazix | if no-one goes for it then nothing lost |
| 17:04.55 | qwazix | (My hunch is that there would be at least 4 people on the planet willing to shell >1k for a fremantle-running capacitive GTA04 in the E7 case) |
| 17:08.12 | jonwil | ~seen pali |
| 17:08.15 | infobot | pali is currently on #maemo (1d 1h 44m 41s) #maemo-ssu (1d 1h 44m 41s). Has said a total of 37 messages. Is idling for 8h 27m 42s, last said: 'need to wait until they repair it'. |
| 17:08.30 | jonwil | pali: ping |
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| 18:04.45 | Pali | ah, jonwil is offline |
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| 21:08.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yes, but he hoped to see you in that channel I created on your request |
| 21:10.51 | Pali | I do not have here on n900 data and irc client from desktop version... |
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| 21:37.16 | Macer | how odd |
| 21:37.40 | Macer | i don't know what it is that windows uses to figure out if something should connect via a direct connection or as an adhoc connection |
| 21:37.52 | Macer | i have to keep re-adding the n900 to get pan to work properly |
| 21:42.18 | ShadowJK | heh. |
| 21:42.44 | Macer | at least it works |
| 21:42.54 | Macer | half assly but still works nonetheless |
| 21:43.07 | ShadowJK | I was creating bt dun between rPi and N900, and walked out of range. Hasnt worked since |
| 21:43.15 | Macer | lol |
| 21:43.18 | ShadowJK | I guess both needs powercycle now |
| 21:43.22 | Macer | i wish rt supported dun |
| 21:43.24 | Macer | so much easier |
| 21:43.30 | Macer | :-/ |
| 21:43.34 | ShadowJK | surface rt? |
| 21:43.34 | Macer | at least from the n900 side |
| 21:43.39 | Macer | yeah |
| 21:43.50 | Macer | android, ipad, and surface rt use pan |
| 21:43.56 | Macer | none directly support dun |
| 21:44.14 | ShadowJK | Android does, but only stock stock stock fw? |
| 21:44.39 | Macer | nope. it doesn't |
| 21:44.41 | Macer | heh |
| 21:44.44 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 21:44.54 | Macer | not unless they added it later |
| 21:44.54 | ShadowJK | ive seen it on cheap china tablets |
| 21:44.54 | Macer | but my 4.2.2 only supports pan |
| 21:44.59 | Macer | not dun |
| 21:45.04 | ShadowJK | so I assumed they didnt bother to kill it |
| 21:45.09 | Macer | they did |
| 21:45.13 | Macer | it worked in 3.x |
| 21:45.16 | Macer | removed in 4.x |
| 21:45.20 | Macer | heh |
| 21:45.20 | ShadowJK | suck |
| 21:45.24 | Macer | figure that one out |
| 21:45.26 | Macer | pan only |
| 21:45.47 | ShadowJK | My firefox phone doesn't do any interwebs over bt |
| 21:45.52 | Macer | wouldnt be that big of a deal if the n900 wasn't such a bitch to configure pan on |
| 21:45.55 | ShadowJK | but it does wifi |
| 21:45.57 | Macer | i wish mobilehotspot had pan heh |
| 21:46.08 | Macer | surface rt doesn't do adhoc either |
| 21:46.12 | Macer | windows rt should i say |
| 21:46.21 | ShadowJK | Well, anything linuy is a bitch to configure anything bluetooth on |
| 21:46.24 | Macer | but again... nor does android heh |
| 21:46.38 | ShadowJK | because it's essentially undocumented, and it changes every year |
| 21:46.46 | ShadowJK | yah |
| 21:46.47 | Macer | yah |
| 21:46.55 | Macer | i found that out with pan :-P |
| 21:47.11 | Macer | i came across an ancient maemo wiki |
| 21:47.15 | Macer | that sort of explained it |
| 21:47.28 | Macer | after that i just got lucky |
| 21:47.55 | ShadowJK | it's probably from N8x0 days, I remember there was lots of PAN headache when some blackberry came that only did PAN |
| 21:48.22 | Macer | yeah but you would think that someone would have integrated it into maemo |
| 21:48.36 | Macer | or made an app that runs scripts or auto loads the pan network on bnep0 detection heh |
| 21:48.45 | ShadowJK | it went the other way |
| 21:48.56 | ShadowJK | dun client support was ttotally killed |
| 21:49.16 | Macer | yeah haha |
| 21:49.30 | Macer | well. all the mobile oses use pan |
| 21:49.37 | Macer | none seem to use adhoc or dun |
| 21:49.43 | Macer | which is odd since dun is so easy heh |
| 21:50.07 | Macer | i just wish i could figure out what is causing windows rt to change from "direct connection" to "adhoc connection" |
| 21:50.10 | Macer | or if it matters |
| 21:50.22 | Macer | i haven't done much testing other than to know it works |
| 21:50.32 | Macer | but it still requires that i run a script manually on the n900 after the connection |
| 21:50.41 | Macer | then flush the tables afterwards |
| 21:51.03 | ShadowJK | DUN is "hard" for the server |
| 21:51.24 | ShadowJK | Also, you, of all people, RT? :) |
| 21:52.19 | Macer | of all people? windows is fine heh |
| 21:52.41 | Macer | other than this niche pan issue it has been spectacular |
| 21:52.53 | Macer | anybody who says otherwise hasn't used a surface |
| 21:52.56 | Macer | plus they priced it right |
| 21:53.07 | Macer | $500+ was too expensive for an rt |
| 21:53.45 | ShadowJK | agreed on the price |
| 21:53.53 | ShadowJK | I've used a pro |
| 21:54.07 | Macer | i didn't want the pro because it is retarded with its sleep mode |
| 21:54.14 | Macer | it's like putting a pc to sleep |
| 21:54.18 | Macer | no notifications |
| 21:54.31 | Macer | no always on like the arm |
| 21:54.39 | Macer | and the battery on the arm is a beasw |
| 21:54.40 | Macer | beast |
| 21:55.01 | Macer | surface has a micro sd slot too heh |
| 21:55.06 | Macer | sdxc at that |
| 21:55.23 | Macer | so it would be a miracle if they sold anything other than the 32GB model lol |
| 21:55.39 | ShadowJK | and I have a win8 on a laptop |
| 21:55.52 | Macer | win8 sucks on legacy stuff |
| 21:55.58 | ShadowJK | On tablet, I get pissed off when it switches to classic |
| 21:56.02 | Macer | the interface is awful for a mouse/kb |
| 21:56.07 | Macer | yeah lol |
| 21:56.11 | Macer | i hate that too |
| 21:56.12 | ShadowJK | on laptop, I get pissed off when it switches to metro |
| 21:56.17 | ShadowJK | heh... |
| 21:56.17 | Macer | yup lol |
| 21:56.21 | Macer | same here |
| 21:56.28 | Macer | might as well dual boot a pc |
| 21:56.44 | Macer | they should have made a way for legacy apps to run in a metro "window" |
| 21:57.06 | Macer | on the laptop i installed it on |
| 21:57.18 | Macer | i just installed some app that brings a "start" menu back and disables metro |
| 21:57.36 | Macer | then realized.. i should have just stuck with win7 on the laptop |
| 21:57.42 | ShadowJK | Yes I use classic shell on laptop |
| 21:58.02 | Macer | you have to jailbreak winrt |
| 21:58.08 | Macer | to install 3rd party arm apps |
| 21:58.10 | Macer | like putty |
| 21:58.35 | Macer | but i don't do much on the desktop side. i just shelled out the money for an ssh app |
| 21:58.49 | Macer | most of the stock metro stuff does whatever i need |
| 21:59.39 | ShadowJK | Win8 is a nightmare for the non-techie user |
| 21:59.54 | Macer | yeh lol |
| 22:00.01 | Macer | the segregation of metro/classic is lame |
| 22:00.10 | Macer | that is where people get confused |
| 22:00.28 | Macer | they'd have been better off making "Windows Tablet" and "Windows Desktop" |
| 22:00.35 | Macer | and keeping desktop for the legacy gear |
| 22:00.44 | Macer | and tablet with metro based stuff on tablets |
| 22:00.45 | ShadowJK | the accounts.live.com stuff is the biggest confusor for normal users |
| 22:01.02 | Macer | well. i think they want people to use outlook.com |
| 22:01.11 | Macer | which is actually... absolutely awesome |
| 22:01.21 | Macer | compared to... say.... google |
| 22:01.27 | Macer | and MS seems big on FB integration |
| 22:01.45 | Macer | google is following a path of destruction |
| 22:01.50 | Macer | they're closing themselves up |
| 22:01.55 | Macer | bait and switch |
| 22:02.01 | ShadowJK | No I mean |
| 22:02.31 | ShadowJK | User starts computer. It asks for email and pass |
| 22:02.43 | Macer | oh. yeah heh |
| 22:03.00 | Macer | they don't have to enter a live user/pw tho i thought |
| 22:03.24 | Macer | i just happened to have one heh. i think it's illegal for ms to do that because of some anti-trust settlement from the 90s |
| 22:03.30 | ShadowJK | They don't, but it's nonobvious that it's voluntary |
| 22:03.56 | Macer | yeah well... google does it :) but i guess they have a giant "skip" button heh |
| 22:03.58 | Macer | maybe |
| 22:04.01 | Macer | it has been a while |
| 22:04.13 | Macer | i'm just glad i can keep my n900 |
| 22:04.27 | Macer | for pan.. i was about to get some cheap nokia 520 |
| 22:04.49 | Macer | no 1020 for tmobile users unless you find an unlocked att model that supports their bands :( |
| 22:04.54 | Macer | i'd have loved to get a 1020 |
| 22:05.46 | ShadowJK | I earned 50 bucks the other day, new win8 user called and said he can't "open" his computer |
| 22:06.16 | ShadowJK | Turned out, he entered his email account when it asked for LiveID |
| 22:06.29 | ShadowJK | and after rebooting, it was refusing logon |
| 22:06.51 | ShadowJK | because his user@gmail@live.com account password wasnt same as user@gmail pass |
| 22:07.19 | nox- | so you need to be online now to login to a local windows? |
| 22:07.30 | ShadowJK | Amusing thing is, he entered pass wrong so many times, even if he had the right pass, it refused |
| 22:07.34 | *** join/#maemo Vanadis (~vanadis@77-56-167-203.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 22:07.34 | ShadowJK | nox-; ya |
| 22:07.39 | nox- | ugh |
| 22:08.04 | ShadowJK | And it locked not only his PC, but every other win8 pc he has. |
| 22:08.11 | nox- | ew |
| 22:08.43 | ShadowJK | Helpfully, the login screen adviced to visit accounts.live.com |
| 22:08.54 | ShadowJK | which yo onviously cant do if pc is locked |
| 22:08.58 | nox- | haha |
| 22:09.16 | ShadowJK | (and all your other win8 PCs are also locked) |
| 22:09.22 | nox- | reasons i dont like windows++ |
| 22:09.54 | ShadowJK | Yeah so I show up, put accounts.live.com into my N900 and reset his password |
| 22:10.01 | ShadowJK | earn 50 bucks, leave |
| 22:10.26 | nox- | yeah good for support ppl to earn money i suppose :) |
| 22:15.56 | kerio | hold on, how do you login if you're offline? |
| 22:16.50 | nox- | i guess then the nsa cannot watch you so you dont :P |
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| 23:20.01 | jonwil | Pali: ping |
| 23:23.15 | jonwil | ~seen Pali |
| 23:23.20 | infobot | pali is currently on #maemo (2h 31m 2s) #maemo-ssu (2h 31m 2s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2h 12m 29s, last said: 'I do not have here on n900 data and irc client from desktop version...'. |
| 23:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-09-29 01:28:15] [Whois] Pali is logged in as Pali. |
| 23:29.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | NS dead? |
| 23:29.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | oohdamn, only lagging |
| 23:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: it seems you have all the "data" you need |
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