| 00:02.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.google.de/search?q=openmoko+%22what+does+GTA+stand+for |
| 00:06.17 | liambeeblebrox | Well, I'll be in touch I suppose |
| 00:06.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | 08:02.03rwhitbyGeneric Telephone Appliance |
| 00:06.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | 08:02.11josch|nsnrwhitby: for real? |
| 00:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | 08:02.19rwhitby(the chinese design that it started from) |
| 00:07.14 | liambeeblebrox | Fair enough |
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| 00:07.57 | liambeeblebrox | I'll have to get my hands on an n900 |
| 00:08.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko/20080515.html.gz |
| 00:09.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, a N900 for sure may help with development :-) |
| 00:09.41 | liambeeblebrox | What about target hardware? |
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| 00:10.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll try to find some GTA04, but basically we'll use N900 to emulate the Neo900, after all they are supposed to be very similar ;-) |
| 00:10.49 | liambeeblebrox | Haha |
| 00:11.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | the monster is modem |
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| 00:12.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested to us a USB attached UMTS stick for emulation |
| 00:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | use* |
| 00:12.45 | liambeeblebrox | Yeah well |
| 00:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | which would have a nice "dual use" |
| 00:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | for N900 users |
| 00:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | for RE of libcmtspeech we can interface to the original N900 modem for now, and see if it works with that. When it works, changing the hw interface is simple |
| 00:14.24 | liambeeblebrox | I need an n900 first... |
| 00:15.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | good used ones shall go for ~100 bucks |
| 00:15.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | new in original package is still ~250 |
| 00:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you can find any |
| 00:16.05 | liambeeblebrox | Hahaha |
| 00:16.11 | liambeeblebrox | Seems to be some coming from china |
| 00:16.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, those HK are mostly crap, they claim 2new2 but actually are refurbished |
| 00:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/g |
| 00:17.46 | liambeeblebrox | I'll keep an eye out, anyway |
| 00:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | or this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-N900-PWNPHONE-smartphone-penetration-testing-platform-/281173959387?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item41774622db :-P |
| 00:19.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | OHLOL, item codition: used |
| 00:21.16 | liambeeblebrox | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-N-Series-N900-32GB-Black-Unlocked-Smartphone-/310733109557?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item485922f935 |
| 00:22.31 | liambeeblebrox | Not bad reviews |
| 00:24.21 | liambeeblebrox | Anyway I must be off |
| 00:24.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | liambeeblebrox: where's your postbox? |
| 00:24.42 | liambeeblebrox | Actual, or online |
| 00:24.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | actual |
| 00:24.57 | liambeeblebrox | NSW Australia |
| 00:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | oo Aussie |
| 00:25.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-N900-32GB-3G-GPS-5MP-WIFI-Qwerty-Unlocked-Black-Smartphone-/111175711390?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item19e296ba9e |
| 00:25.12 | liambeeblebrox | You can shoot me now if you want |
| 00:25.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 00:25.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, ships to: US |
| 00:25.52 | liambeeblebrox | Yeah |
| 00:26.00 | liambeeblebrox | Looks like I could contact the seller though |
| 00:26.16 | liambeeblebrox | Eh |
| 00:26.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yours most likely is one of those crappy refurbished ones |
| 00:26.36 | liambeeblebrox | I'm not in the market to buy yet |
| 00:27.16 | liambeeblebrox | Maybe in a couple months |
| 00:27.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, if you test that HK sellers, pelase report on your experience |
| 00:27.34 | liambeeblebrox | Will do. |
| 00:27.43 | liambeeblebrox | Could always use |
| 00:27.54 | liambeeblebrox | Hm |
| 00:28.24 | liambeeblebrox | http://www.aliexpress.com/item/100-original-mobile-phone-Nokia-N900/547515382.html |
| 00:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll bite your own back for every month you missed to live with the best phone ever |
| 00:28.57 | liambeeblebrox | I'm currently under a pretty big workload, with limited funds |
| 00:29.10 | liambeeblebrox | Used ali-baba and related shops? |
| 00:30.47 | liambeeblebrox | I had stuff ship from there this week |
| 00:30.52 | liambeeblebrox | So we'll see how it goes |
| 00:31.15 | liambeeblebrox | Good thing about living down under, dedicated shipping lane straight to china |
| 00:38.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be worth it, after all refurbished may be ok, for that price |
| 00:38.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and they offer warranty |
| 00:38.30 | liambeeblebrox | Yeah. |
| 00:38.32 | liambeeblebrox | Maybe |
| 00:39.38 | liambeeblebrox | What part of the world do you hail from? |
| 00:39.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Germoney |
| 00:40.14 | mashina | how about the new bundesfuhrerin? |
| 00:40.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck her |
| 00:40.29 | liambeeblebrox | Makes sense, I suppose america is asleep |
| 00:40.55 | liambeeblebrox | Anyhoot |
| 00:40.59 | liambeeblebrox | Work to do |
| 00:41.00 | mashina | im canadian eh |
| 00:41.04 | liambeeblebrox | eh eh eh eh eh |
| 00:41.12 | mashina | i live in a part with a funny timezone |
| 00:41.23 | liambeeblebrox | Whats local time? |
| 00:41.32 | mashina | canada/atlantic is EST+1 |
| 00:41.36 | liambeeblebrox | It's 1040 |
| 00:41.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | 02:41 |
| 00:41.51 | mashina | closer to europe but close to us too |
| 00:42.05 | mashina | its 2141 yurop format |
| 00:42.06 | liambeeblebrox | I hope thats not AM doc |
| 00:42.13 | mashina | 9:42p ours |
| 00:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure AM |
| 00:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | CET |
| 00:42.56 | liambeeblebrox | Used to using 24 hour time, mashina |
| 00:42.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm living in JRTZV |
| 00:42.59 | mashina | ast is the short name |
| 00:43.13 | liambeeblebrox | The internet needs a central time server :/ |
| 00:43.31 | mashina | time.nistlgov? |
| 00:43.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ugt |
| 00:43.55 | infobot | i guess ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 00:44.16 | liambeeblebrox | Ah, but one that is used by all servers |
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| 00:45.15 | liambeeblebrox | I'll |
| 00:45.20 | liambeeblebrox | Hopefully be around |
| 00:45.33 | liambeeblebrox | And I'll put something in the dev thread |
| 00:45.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 00:46.04 | liambeeblebrox | have a nice |
| 00:46.10 | liambeeblebrox | day? |
| 00:47.00 | mashina | i saw an n900 on the local classifieds once |
| 00:48.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 00:49.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | chillout time |
| 00:49.11 | mashina | wonder who the hell in this backwater would have one |
| 00:49.38 | mashina | we're poor and mostly illiterate |
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| 09:02.19 | Macer | ugh |
| 09:02.37 | Macer | wth does app manager do where it takes a month for it to finish when you enable devel? |
| 09:03.36 | psycho_oreos | Should've used devel-light. |
| 09:06.23 | Macer | there's a devel-light?? heh |
| 09:06.52 | iloops | ok so which browser do we have in meamo thats just the latest in terms of html5 standards |
| 09:07.24 | iloops | have the latest webkit code been used anywhere (i'm assuming webkit is where the html tech goes) |
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| 10:05.30 | kerio | iloops: fennec 17? |
| 10:05.39 | kerio | idk |
| 10:05.53 | iloops | fennec is massively slow |
| 10:05.55 | iloops | -_- |
| 10:06.02 | iloops | for me its unuseable |
| 10:06.26 | iloops | it wud be so awesome if it was fast but it isnt i dont know why |
| 10:08.23 | psycho_oreos | If you think about it comparatively. fennec 17 seems to be the latest released program available for maemo. You said you want HTML5 support, so there you go. |
| 10:09.45 | psycho_oreos | If you want fennec to be any faster, then you probably need to go into experimentation with having thumbs enabled fennec. |
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| 10:11.13 | XATRIX | Can you remind me where can i find wiki about how to turn off the automatic updates checking in maemo |
| 10:11.50 | psycho_oreos | You can't turn off, you can prolong the need for whenever it checks for newer version. |
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| 10:12.24 | XATRIX | Hmm |
| 10:12.42 | XATRIX | Seems like it check everytime i connect to any networks |
| 10:12.55 | XATRIX | It's a bit complicated |
| 10:13.41 | psycho_oreos | That said: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check (it took me a mere 1 minute of google search). |
| 10:14.24 | XATRIX | yea :( sorry |
| 10:15.16 | iloops | and will the thumb enabling in fennec make it any closer to the performance of microb? |
| 10:15.36 | iloops | or is it too much to ask |
| 10:17.10 | psycho_oreos | Hahaha, the last time I checked, not even close, but you don't even know the underlying process. hildon I believe "pre-loads" certain programs so that it would not take a user to start thinking "such and such program is slow." Besides unlike fennec, microb was designed to effectively wrap around hildon (hence less resource usage). |
| 10:18.21 | psycho_oreos | fennec is also now un-maintained on maemo as well. |
| 10:20.25 | XATRIX | gconftool changes the config files or only for the runtime ? |
| 10:20.39 | kerio | the former |
| 10:20.49 | psycho_oreos | ^ |
| 10:20.50 | kerio | and the latter, too |
| 10:20.52 | iloops | true :) |
| 10:21.03 | kerio | at least, i think that the program can ask to be notified whenever there's a change |
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| 10:29.26 | XATRIX | so, gconf changes config files or not ? |
| 10:30.27 | psycho_oreos | It mainly changes the config file, a config file for which most hildon/osso programs references for various purposes. |
| 10:31.26 | psycho_oreos | Is it really that hard to read man pages? http://linux.die.net/man/1/gconftool-2 |
| 10:43.44 | lizardo | Is garage.maemo.org SSL certificate currently self-signed ? |
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| 12:49.04 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: pong |
| 12:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi! :-D |
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| 13:08.10 | cehteh | Muahaha |
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| 14:24.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL |
| 14:25.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | "sorry guys, divorce pending, I need every cent of those 19 mio" |
| 14:26.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | "you know, the hookers, and that other bitch" |
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| 15:04.53 | sledges | in english: http://www.phonearena.com/news/CEO-Stephen-Elop-to-Nokia-Im-getting--a-divorce-so-I-need-all-of-the-25-million_id47745 |
| 15:05.40 | sledges | no surprise about divorce, it's Elop! |
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| 15:26.34 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: re scratchbox has warfare done the self-signed cert or do i need to mail it to him? Sorry was offline for nearly a week |
| 15:27.41 | thedead1440 | also you want the sha sums of all blobs too right? |
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| 16:23.36 | cybertheque | Need advice / opinions on vpn selection for use over 3g. i have built ipsec (iskmp / ike) vpns for a long time over slow connections using old hardware and have been pleased with the throughput. I would appreciate observations about the overhead and performance in openvpn. my need is to stream video from the n900 over 3g -- performance is paramount. ipsec or openvpn? |
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| 16:30.04 | kerio | mh, does ipsec work with your operator? |
| 16:31.08 | kerio | i think that openvpn is cleaner and has less overhead |
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| 17:23.33 | cybertheque | don't yet know if t-mobile's unlimited voice/txt/web prepaid plan passes ESP/AH or of it requires an upgrade (tablet services) --- for sake of discussion, assume it is not an issue |
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| 17:39.26 | Pali | do you know if there is rtmp plugin for gstreamer in maemo extras (devel) repository? |
| 17:41.23 | Pali | is there libgstrtmp.so for maemo? |
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| 18:17.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I dunno, probably the user wants sha sums for all blobs, yeah. For the cert ask warfare to create a self-signed one for you |
| 18:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | he even will install it |
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| 18:21.38 | Apic | I upgraded kernel-power-bootimg and multiboot-kernel-power and now I get a Redscreen "can't flash kernel, required files not found" when selecting it during boot (selecting Stock Kernel still works) |
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| 18:24.14 | Pali | you can read TMO thread that multiboot config file is not in kernel-power anymore and is not supported |
| 18:24.30 | Pali | use uboot or hack multiboot |
| 18:24.35 | Apic | Oh, okay. |
| 18:26.16 | Apic | Will Installing uboot-pr13 automagically wipe multiboot? |
| 18:27.58 | Pali | install uboot-flasher |
| 18:28.04 | Apic | Thanks |
| 18:28.14 | Pali | and not, you need to uninstall multiboot first |
| 18:29.16 | Pali | freemangordon: in extras-devel are lot of old uboot packages |
| 18:29.26 | Pali | it is possible to delete them? |
| 18:29.34 | Apic | Hrm |
| 18:29.50 | Apic | I guess I still have fremantle 1.2 as Base System and not 1.3 |
| 18:30.07 | Apic | At least I cannot find uboot-flasher, only uboot-pr13 |
| 18:30.16 | Pali | update to pr 1.3 first |
| 18:30.36 | Apic | How? I think the Application Manager did not ask me to upgrade the whole Distro |
| 18:30.38 | Pali | try u-boot-flasher |
| 18:30.58 | Pali | do not remember correct name |
| 18:31.03 | Apic | Ah, that's there |
| 18:31.20 | Pali | ok |
| 18:32.17 | Apic | apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove a whole Bunch of Packages from the System... |
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| 18:36.33 | Apic | I tried changing the fremantle-1.2/ovi/ ./ to fremantle-1.3/ovi/ ./ but now I get GPG "KEYEXPIRED" |
| 18:36.38 | Apic | ...on apt-get update |
| 18:36.50 | Apic | Where can I leech a current Key? |
| 18:38.35 | Pali | do not use dist-upgrade |
| 18:38.47 | Pali | nokia key expired |
| 18:39.07 | Pali | and nokia/accenture refused to fix this problem |
| 18:39.18 | Pali | use only HAM for updating |
| 18:39.38 | Pali | use 1.2 for OVI |
| 18:39.51 | Apic | Uhmkay... |
| 18:39.59 | Pali | you can change system date back to 2010 |
| 18:40.10 | Pali | and then update via HAM again |
| 18:40.35 | Pali | also you can check version in settings -- about product |
| 18:41.06 | Apic | Maemo 5, Version: 20.2010.36-2 |
| 18:41.22 | Pali | this is pr1.3 |
| 18:41.33 | Pali | last version is pr1.3.1 |
| 18:41.54 | Pali | 21.2011.somethink |
| 18:42.45 | Pali | use "date hack", enable nokia repos in HAM and update |
| 18:43.25 | Apic | HAM == Hildon Application Manager? |
| 18:43.47 | Pali | yes |
| 18:43.56 | Apic | And "Date Hack" is not an Application, but the Act of manually setting the Date to e.g. 2010-12-31? |
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| 18:44.08 | Pali | yes |
| 18:44.32 | Apic | Ok, thanks |
| 18:44.44 | Pali | and do not remember that HAM is slooooooow |
| 18:45.03 | Apic | ;-) |
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| 18:46.38 | lexik | spam again: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91457 |
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| 18:48.13 | Apic | Application Manager does not find any Updates |
| 18:48.38 | dos1 | Join Date: 25th Sep 2013 |
| 18:48.44 | dos1 | damn |
| 18:48.48 | Pali | click on reload |
| 18:48.59 | Pali | try find updates again |
| 18:49.08 | Pali | and wait (5 min) |
| 18:49.15 | Apic | Ok |
| 18:49.24 | Pali | also make sure you have SSU repo enabled |
| 18:49.46 | Apic | Still no Updates |
| 18:49.49 | Apic | SSU? |
| 18:50.08 | Apic | Hm, the Throbber is still spinning |
| 18:50.16 | Apic | And I cannot enter the Repo Menu ATM |
| 18:50.33 | Pali | this means that HAM something doing |
| 18:50.39 | Pali | wait |
| 18:51.48 | Apic | Whoah |
| 18:51.50 | Apic | Now it finished |
| 18:52.00 | Apic | And it shows "Maemo 5", "Security Update" |
| 18:52.14 | Apic | And "Documents To Go Installer", which I do not need |
| 18:52.24 | Pali | so you see it now |
| 18:52.30 | Apic | *nod* |
| 18:58.48 | Apic | Ok, now Product Info shows Version "21.2011.38-1" |
| 18:58.51 | Apic | Now change back the Date to the current one, eh? |
| 19:02.35 | Pali | yes, change back |
| 19:04.48 | Pali | look also at CSSU stable for maemo updates |
| 19:07.07 | Apic | Ok, thanks. |
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| 21:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ham |
| 21:43.19 | infobot | ham is, like, Hildon Application Manager. Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does |
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| 21:44.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal ham |
| 21:44.43 | infobot | "#maemo ham" is "Hildon Application Manager. Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does" |
| 21:45.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does |
| 21:45.17 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
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| 23:03.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~xyawn |
| 23:03.24 | infobot | somebody said xyawn was coffee |
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