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| 02:47.16 | Macer | well. i have to admit |
| 02:47.24 | Macer | surface has any other tablets beat heh |
| 02:47.27 | Macer | it's awesome |
| 03:11.46 | ShadowJK | Does it load talk.mameo.org fast |
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| 06:01.25 | jpinx | nice work http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24171520#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa |
| 06:01.32 | jpinx | Stephen Elop to receive $25m pay-off *AND* he gets his old job back in MS !! |
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| 07:25.53 | psycho_oreos | Meh, nothing fancy. He sold nokia to microsoft and made sure both board of directors happy. |
| 07:27.27 | psycho_oreos | Correction he sold a branch of nokia (probably a really large branch) to microsoft. |
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| 09:56.42 | oooaaaooo | im trying to install less but apt-get says "Couldn't find package less" do i have to enable the extras repo to be able to follow http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 09:56.47 | oooaaaooo | can someone help me |
| 09:58.51 | sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg |
| 09:58.51 | infobot | [pkg] http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 09:59.01 | psycho_oreos | ~pkg less |
| 09:59.40 | psycho_oreos | hmm.. *facepalms self*.. anyway did you refresh the package list after you have enabled the extras repo? |
| 09:59.53 | sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/view/less/ it's in devel |
| 10:01.45 | psycho_oreos | Well, there you go. :) |
| 10:03.58 | oooaaaooo | yup |
| 10:03.59 | oooaaaooo | thnx |
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| 10:07.16 | Pali | what less is only in -devel? |
| 10:07.24 | Pali | it should be in extras |
| 10:12.11 | oooaaaooo | how do i install find on n900 |
| 10:12.16 | oooaaaooo | Nokia-N900:~# aptitude show findutils |
| 10:12.17 | oooaaaooo | No current or candidate version found for findutils |
| 10:12.17 | oooaaaooo | Package: findutils |
| 10:12.17 | oooaaaooo | State: not a real package |
| 10:12.17 | oooaaaooo | Provided by: busybox |
| 10:17.18 | psycho_oreos | http://maemo.org/packages/view/findutils-gnu/ |
| 10:17.39 | oooaaaooo | ahhh |
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| 10:17.42 | oooaaaooo | thnx |
| 10:18.03 | psycho_oreos | It's all easy to find in that link: http://maemo.org/packages/ |
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| 10:48.13 | robotanarchy | hi :) could it be that the thumb cssu isn't compatible with the very useful recovery-menu? |
| 10:49.03 | robotanarchy | I've reflashed 3 times in a row and now I think that's the cause >_> |
| 10:49.20 | oooaaaooo | hi guys when i run a program i get a "Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. Segmentation fault" |
| 10:49.28 | oooaaaooo | how do i fix this |
| 10:49.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | use a better program version |
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| 10:50.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | robotanarchy: I never heard about recovery-menu |
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| 10:51.36 | robotanarchy | DocScrutinizer05: sorry, the name is actually "recovery console", here's the thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72726 |
| 10:51.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | SEGV is always a sign that you rprogram has a bug (or your installation is terribly messed up) |
| 10:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | robotanarchy: ask Pali |
| 10:54.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I can't see how something is not compatible to thumb enabled kernel |
| 10:55.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe recovery console is special |
| 10:56.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you're bitten by a bug lately temporarily introduced into iirc the screen output command (forgot the real name) |
| 10:57.03 | robotanarchy | hmm... i guess its a bug. just saw a post in the thumb thread: "im trying installing thumb since 2 days now, but whenever it competes downlding and itstalling, it never boots, it just show that nokia flash screen and then everything black, nothing else plz help, ive flashed vanilla and other thing but no luck of thumb" |
| 10:57.10 | robotanarchy | this is not my post, but i have basically the same problem |
| 10:57.34 | robotanarchy | boots to blackscreen :-\ at least after some reboots. |
| 10:58.14 | robotanarchy | I think when I tried to install CSSU thumb in march, there was a testing and a stable thumb repo, right? because now there's only the one based on testing. is there a way to install a more stable thumb repo? |
| 10:58.24 | oooaaaooo | DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62800 |
| 10:58.28 | oooaaaooo | DocScrutinizer05: yup |
| 11:04.47 | oooaaaooo | so what is the fastest browser available on n900 |
| 11:04.52 | oooaaaooo | web |
| 11:04.57 | oooaaaooo | browser |
| 11:05.52 | mashina | opera was pretty good |
| 11:06.05 | oooaaaooo | mashina: yup ive got opera |
| 11:06.07 | mashina | and you can fake your way with microb if you browae mobile sites |
| 11:06.22 | robotanarchy | if you don't mind text browsing, try w3m :p |
| 11:06.34 | oooaaaooo | robotanarchy: ha ha ... |
| 11:06.41 | mashina | elinks > w3m. heathen |
| 11:06.59 | oooaaaooo | so midori isnt ported to the n900 |
| 11:07.19 | mashina | other webkit browsers should be fine |
| 11:10.34 | oooaaaooo | which webkit browser is available for the n900 |
| 11:14.31 | psycho_oreos | midori is available in extras-devel iinm. |
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| 11:18.10 | robotanarchy | so... does anyone know if there is a "stable" thumb cssu, that one can install instead of the one based on testing? |
| 11:19.13 | oooaaaooo | psycho_oreos: you are right! |
| 11:19.20 | oooaaaooo | psycho_oreos: what was i talking about! |
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| 11:53.34 | Pali | ~zimage-fb |
| 11:53.34 | infobot | hmm... zimage-fb is on http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/ |
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| 11:53.56 | Raimu | Does anyone know of a simple app or a script for n900 to patch microphone input to TV-out's audio output? |
| 11:54.10 | Raimu | Like, for making n900 a dumb microphone. |
| 11:54.50 | oooaaaooo | raimu doesnt the nokia have a composite video & stereo output cable? |
| 11:54.56 | Raimu | Yes |
| 11:55.18 | Raimu | But the phone's microphone signal isn't automatically carried to that cable. :) |
| 11:55.19 | oooaaaooo | what apps would you use to stream stuff using that? |
| 11:55.57 | oooaaaooo | Raimu: that sucks |
| 11:56.01 | Pali | Raimu: so you want to use n900 jack for audio input? |
| 11:56.20 | oooaaaooo | output i believe |
| 11:56.21 | Raimu | Yeah |
| 11:56.34 | Raimu | Integrated mike input -> n900 jack audio output |
| 11:56.49 | Raimu | So basically that n900 would be a high latency microphone |
| 11:57.05 | Raimu | Connected to a sound card input for example via the n900 jack. |
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| 11:57.48 | Pali | Raimu: use alsamixer for settings switches |
| 11:58.11 | Raimu | Thanks for the tip :) |
| 11:58.12 | Pali | or look at TMO, I saw some application which can configure audio input/output jack |
| 11:58.18 | Raimu | Ah |
| 11:58.26 | Pali | but I do not rememeber name |
| 12:00.35 | oooaaaooo | hmmm using the "arrow" key in midori is buggy; how do i turn off password masking? |
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| 12:41.49 | jean_brat | Hi, I have been struggling with extkbd issue from quite some time, now all the required keys are working except the SHIFT key with special symboles and capitals, |
| 12:41.50 | jean_brat | However after the BT keyboard is synched, it works like a champ inside LXDE desktop terminal, with all the key like a proper desktop... but outside debian chroot and xterm, It is still a compromise. |
| 12:41.51 | jean_brat | Is there any way i can check which layout it uses inside squeeze (debian) and set the same thing with same laout in maemo terminal using setxkbmap?? |
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| 12:52.39 | sixwheeledbeast | ~boot-process |
| 12:52.39 | infobot | boot-process is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87959 |
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| 12:55.14 | jean_brat | ~extkbd |
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| 12:59.42 | sixwheeledbeast | ~listkeys map |
| 13:00.07 | sixwheeledbeast | ~listkeys vi |
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| 13:00.21 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm |
| 13:01.20 | sixwheeledbeast | jean_brat: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard |
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| 13:10.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~vi-kbd |
| 13:10.38 | infobot | it has been said that vi-kbd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping |
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| 13:11.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~n900-kbd-mapping is <reply> see vi-kbd |
| 13:11.47 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 13:12.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys mapping |
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| 13:12.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget so the memory mapping |
| 13:12.29 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot so the memory mapping |
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| 13:34.51 | Sysaxed | what's wrong with my connection?... |
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| 13:42.03 | zammy | hey |
| 13:42.19 | zammy | some advice for best pdf reader? |
| 13:42.24 | zammy | on n900? |
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| 13:51.31 | zammy | alright evince |
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| 14:43.46 | sixwheeledbeast | ~jr-tools |
| 14:43.46 | infobot | i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 14:49.05 | oooaaaooo | i notice some programs dont auto rotate is that normal? |
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| 14:53.43 | psycho_oreos | By default most programs run in landscape mode. With CSSU for instance you can force rotation, otherwise there are certain replacements that can also do portrait mode without looking like it was some nasty hack. For instance openmediaplayer which can also do portrait mode (amongst other things that the standard mediaplayer cannot do). |
| 14:54.49 | oooaaaooo | speaking of which |
| 14:55.01 | oooaaaooo | what is a good media player for n900 |
| 14:55.10 | oooaaaooo | i dont see vlc |
| 14:56.14 | psycho_oreos | I think vlc was available for download. Though vlc the last time I used was quite flaky. If you want something really fancy but retaining that nice osso-mediaplayer UI, I'd recommend openmediaplayer. |
| 14:56.29 | oooaaaooo | k tnhx |
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| 14:57.12 | oooaaaooo | i dont see it |
| 14:57.18 | oooaaaooo | what repo is it |
| 14:58.46 | psycho_oreos | extras-devel... |
| 14:59.27 | oooaaaooo | i have it turned on bhut it doesnt show up in am |
| 14:59.31 | oooaaaooo | ham |
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| 15:01.19 | psycho_oreos | Try punching in a few letters, it'll open up a search box. It is in extras-devel: http://maemo.org/packages/view/openmediaplayer/ |
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| 15:03.14 | oooaaaooo | psycho_oreos: yeah nothin shows up... |
| 15:03.24 | oooaaaooo | im updating all |
| 15:03.34 | oooaaaooo | see if that makes a diff |
| 15:05.25 | psycho_oreos | oooaaaooo, weird, in any case maybe download it from the link I provided above. There's a link within that page that allows you to grab the deb file. Install that (but also double-check forum links to see if it's the latest build). |
| 15:05.39 | oooaaaooo | k |
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| 15:20.07 | entitled | Riddle me this, why is the input lag nonexistent when ssh:ing to irssi shell, when I download something like a torrent now? I guess that torrent keeps data connection open all times, and with only ssh active, it's in somekind of burst mode (extra handshakes, something) and you get more lag |
| 15:23.06 | entitled | Or is there any sense to all this, why I was typing that, it came back (the lag, that is)... but for quite some time the input lag was smaller than ever before |
| 15:23.35 | entitled | (the bandwidth is more saturated now, could be just that) |
| 15:26.52 | entitled | yeah it's great again when I limited the speed down |
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| 15:30.37 | entitled | TCPkeepalive fixes it |
| 15:30.39 | entitled | ? |
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| 15:36.28 | psycho_oreos | cpuload-applet comes to mind. There's also things like powertop which may help. I wonder if it could be powersaving that is causing the device to lag. Then again depending on bittorrent clients, they can be quite I/O intensive. |
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| 15:37.56 | entitled | I'll enable the tcpkeepalive and enable seconds in timestamps too, both should force the connection more active |
| 15:39.16 | entitled | but I'll check if the powesaving could be blamed also, as I forced the clocks to 900 900 for the torrenting |
| 15:44.16 | jonwil | ~seen merlin1991 |
| 15:44.16 | infobot | merlin1991 is currently on #maemo (10d 16h 4m 45s) #harmattan (10d 16h 4m 45s) #maemo-ssu (10d 16h 4m 45s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 9d 22h 19m 51s, last said: '#neverdothatatall'. |
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| 16:00.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | bot's answers are not channel specific ;-) |
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| 17:37.06 | SAiF | is there a way to open non local files in maemo 5? |
| 17:37.49 | SAiF | I know shared videos can be played, but images cannot be viewed. |
| 17:38.20 | SAiF | I mean I cannot view non local images, but can play non local videos |
| 17:39.51 | psycho_oreos | I believe you are talking about UPnP stuff, osso-imageviewer I don't think has the ability for one to view images hosted on UPnP. |
| 17:40.28 | SAiF | so which image viewer has the capability? |
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| 17:42.09 | psycho_oreos | Enna (I think it was called) had that ability. Though it was slow. If you search on Google you might find some, or maybe UPnP/DLNA browsers. |
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| 17:47.55 | SAiF | thankyou for clarifying psycho_oreos, I am really happy when some one replies to me. |
| 17:50.25 | psycho_oreos | SAiF, it would be nice if you would also stick around and do some volunteer support. :) |
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| 17:51.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: you just have to wait a bit, it doesn't help to quit channel 10min after asking a question |
| 17:51.50 | SAiF | I wish I could, volunteer, But I dont know much. |
| 17:52.04 | psycho_oreos | ^ I'd also like to add that the availability on the knowledge is also limited. We're not all geniuses who knows everything. |
| 17:52.19 | psycho_oreos | Everyone had to start from somewhere. |
| 17:52.21 | SAiF | Doc,I know this point from my experience on #maemo. :) |
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| 18:35.12 | RiD | 'sup MohammadAG |
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| 18:38.21 | Sysaxed | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1373064&postcount=370 |
| 18:38.34 | Sysaxed | funny |
| 18:41.58 | bennypr0fane | anyone care to take a look at my problem? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91425 |
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| 18:44.23 | bennypr0fane | I'd like to know how I can deal with this in general. For starters, I don't understand why one broken package will completely block usage of apt-get. So let it be broken, no? But always this "held-back packages" issue, it prevents me from installing, removing upgrading anything. |
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| 18:46.39 | bennypr0fane | also, this has been sitting there for a while now: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91334 |
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| 19:06.49 | psycho_oreos | 1) Seems like that was solved, GPG errors with nokia repo is because nokia didn't (and would probably never bother from now on to) update their keys. 2) Seems like the package contains files that probably belongs to another package, There is a command within dpkg that will allow you to search for which packages own the file. See if that version is newer, maybe cutetube's dependencies needs updating or something. 3) Seems like missing file, you coul |
| 19:06.49 | psycho_oreos | d probably do a dirty hack by touching a file as that so that dpkg may no whinge about it. 4) Never, never ever do apt-get upgrade. 5) No idea, I believe such information are stored collectively in database. There may not be an easy way to do it, so you may have to deal with it. Alternatively you can get your hands dirty and find ways to extract meaningful data and maybe delete it from the database by hand. (Only skilled people can do it properly). |
| 19:08.19 | psycho_oreos | bennypr0fane, ^ |
| 19:11.01 | Pali | yes, nokia refused to fix GPG errors |
| 19:11.28 | Pali | I got email from nokia/accenture that they will not fix this problem |
| 19:11.52 | bennypr0fane | psycho_oreos, what information is stored collectively in database? |
| 19:12.13 | psycho_oreos | In addition to what I said: 1) There was a tmo thread about that. It's not important and you can safely ignore it (furthermore disable the repository as it no longer exists). 3) Files stored in /tmp are usually temporary files. They are usually in a volatile area. The loss of that file causing swappolube-nogui to fail removal maybe trivial... |
| 19:12.35 | bennypr0fane | alright, I'm not worried about the GPG warnings |
| 19:12.36 | psycho_oreos | bennypr0fane, Your second link on contacts that has facebook accounts. |
| 19:13.19 | psycho_oreos | 4) Failure of apt-get upgrade (thankfully) was the result of 3). |
| 19:13.51 | psycho_oreos | Well there you go, straight from the kernel-power maintainer now on GPG errors. |
| 19:14.51 | bennypr0fane | I only have a problem if these errors completely block the package manager |
| 19:15.48 | psycho_oreos | I guess you should try and fix swappolube-nogui first. |
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| 19:16.05 | bennypr0fane | how do I start? |
| 19:16.43 | psycho_oreos | I wrote a rough guide in that massive IRC "post" above. See 3) |
| 19:18.16 | bennypr0fane | psycho_oreos, I don't understand yr guide, sry! :-( "touching a file"? |
| 19:18.41 | bennypr0fane | which file? how do I "touch" it? |
| 19:19.32 | psycho_oreos | bennypr0fane, touch /tmp/tuning <--- might need to do it as root as maybe /tmp is set with root ownership. |
| 19:20.28 | bennypr0fane | I want Cutetube (QML used to work before my last reflash, now the .deb is gone from announcement thread). swappolube (gui or no gui, whatever works best) and ankimaemi - must have worked at some point, too |
| 19:21.19 | bennypr0fane | psycho_oreos, still not following. what do mean I should touch it? what is that? |
| 19:21.33 | psycho_oreos | Install swappolube GUI. Don't bother with nogui version if you aren't even familiar with linux CLI commands. |
| 19:21.44 | psycho_oreos | ^ |
| 19:24.14 | bennypr0fane | familiar - yes, firm - no |
| 19:25.45 | psycho_oreos | At that rate if I were curious what 'touch' was, I'd read up manpages. |
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| 19:27.38 | bennypr0fane | the thought didn't even cross my mind that would be a shell command. haven't heard of it before |
| 19:28.30 | psycho_oreos | I wouldn't be telling you CLI commands if your pastes were all from terminal. :) |
| 19:28.51 | psycho_oreos | Think of it that way, finishing a start. |
| 19:29.39 | bennypr0fane | I thought that "touch" was some sort of tech-speak for a multiple-step-procedure unknown to me that you could apply to a file, just didn't ring a bell as a command |
| 19:30.19 | bennypr0fane | "Update the access and modification times of each FILE to the current |
| 19:30.19 | bennypr0fane | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.23 | psycho_oreos | 'touch' can also be used to create empty files. Just specify an non-existant file and it'll create it. |
| 19:31.55 | bennypr0fane | whew, I'm relieved. swappolube installed fine, removed the nogui-package too |
| 19:32.48 | psycho_oreos | Good, now we've killed two birds with one stone there. You should be able to install the other two packages by now. |
| 19:33.26 | bennypr0fane | you mean without the need to touch that missing file? |
| 19:33.53 | psycho_oreos | In regards to 2), there's a dpkg command that'll search files owned by a package. It's sort of the inverse look up of telling dpkg to tell what files are contained within a package. |
| 19:34.14 | psycho_oreos | That and installing/removing other packages turning out to be a failure. |
| 19:34.29 | psycho_oreos | Including the apt-get upgrade. |
| 19:37.05 | bennypr0fane | now cutetube installed without a hiccup too |
| 19:37.41 | psycho_oreos | That's why I said we killed two birds with one stone there. |
| 19:38.35 | bennypr0fane | I thought you said that because getting swappolube installed also removed the troublesome nogui-version |
| 19:39.45 | psycho_oreos | Oh wait.. cutetube depended on anki. Even better. No need to worry about anki, now probably ankimaemi is left. |
| 19:40.11 | bennypr0fane | shoud I try installing ankimaemi again? |
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| 19:41.55 | psycho_oreos | I didn't really imply that, I was suggesting installing the swappolube (GUI). At that time I was thinking what happens if dpkg still whinges about broken/partial install with swappolube-nogui. Turns out (as you probably would have noticed now), swappolube conflicts with swappolube-nogui (or it seems) hence swappolube-nogui got removed (if that ever applies). |
| 19:42.10 | psycho_oreos | Yeah, whatever that is I suppose, and if you needed it. |
| 19:45.55 | bennypr0fane | well anki is still broken |
| 19:47.26 | psycho_oreos | Time to ask Google how to make dpkg show /package/name/X/installed/this/file in the name of the package. On a simple glance it seems to be part of python-2.5. |
| 19:49.09 | bennypr0fane | I'll try man dpkg first |
| 19:49.16 | bennypr0fane | being brave |
| 19:50.39 | psycho_oreos | I've got the answer from Google. |
| 19:50.45 | bennypr0fane | awesome |
| 19:51.09 | bennypr0fane | so if I find which packages installed that file, how does it help me? |
| 19:52.15 | psycho_oreos | I'd check the version that the original package includes. If its newer then the extra dependency on anki isn't needed, otherwise I guess you'll need a differently packed original package. |
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| 19:52.57 | bennypr0fane | psycho_oreos, what I want to know first is: "which package installed that file", yes? |
| 19:53.09 | bennypr0fane | dangit, I have to go |
| 19:53.38 | psycho_oreos | bennypr0fane, yup. |
| 19:53.50 | psycho_oreos | dpkg -S -- http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/findfile.htm |
| 19:53.51 | bennypr0fane | one day I'll get to that level of understanding that you have of packages etc. holy oath |
| 19:54.11 | bennypr0fane | any advice how to start? |
| 19:54.18 | bennypr0fane | thanks |
| 19:55.11 | psycho_oreos | I dunno, having linux installed everywhere forces me to learn how to use linux properly. The rest very much is about google-fu, etc. |
| 19:55.35 | bennypr0fane | I'm sorry I have to remain stupid for tonight. Thanks for your patience. |
| 19:55.45 | bennypr0fane | It's been working the same way for me |
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| 19:56.25 | bennypr0fane | But never for all these apt-get problems, dependencies etc, it's all greek to me |
| 19:56.40 | psycho_oreos | *nods* I sort of had to apologise for getting angry at a command you ran. Sort of left me annoyed for a good moment or so. |
| 19:57.07 | bennypr0fane | it made you angry I ran apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:57.15 | psycho_oreos | Yeah, sometimes when in doubt you can always google. Even if you don't get the exact hits you may get rough idea of what the issue maybe. |
| 19:57.32 | bennypr0fane | the emphasis in "may" |
| 19:57.40 | bennypr0fane | or not |
| 19:57.56 | psycho_oreos | More specifically whoever told you to ran apt-get upgrade on maemo. It was known to break maemo setup very easily. |
| 19:57.57 | bennypr0fane | after 1 hour or so of googling, still nothing |
| 19:58.20 | bennypr0fane | it can tempt you to try looking for people who just know |
| 19:58.52 | bennypr0fane | psycho_oreos, I know running apt-get was risky, but didn't know it's totally forbidden |
| 19:58.54 | psycho_oreos | Yeah partially the issue lies packages that seems to target a single platform. If the case here was debian or ubuntu for instance, you may have better luck when pasting errors into google. |
| 19:59.08 | bennypr0fane | exactly |
| 19:59.25 | bennypr0fane | it's all specifically mean in maemo |
| 19:59.51 | bennypr0fane | well thanks again, gotta go |
| 19:59.55 | bennypr0fane | have a good one! |
| 19:59.59 | psycho_oreos | It's not that its forbidden, nobody is stopping you. Though fixing the mess it may leave behind will be fun (usually). Luckily apt-get upgrade in your case failed due to swappolube-nogui (mainly). |
| 20:00.08 | psycho_oreos | Yup, inevitably. |
| 20:00.18 | bennypr0fane | yup i was lucky this time |
| 20:00.27 | psycho_oreos | Alright, have fun! remember, manpages and google. |
| 20:00.33 | bennypr0fane | thanks |
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| 21:02.43 | jdoles | If you get a subscription for some fast Internet (14.4Mb/s), can you also use it with the N900 in a slower mode? (I don't think the N900 does 14.4Mb/s, because it lacks a modern chip) |
| 21:03.31 | jdoles | That is, do the networks fall back to whatever the phone does support or can you basically throw away your N900 is you still want to use some mobile internet? |
| 21:03.48 | jdoles | s/is/if |
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| 21:04.53 | wotan147 | Folks is it possible to package a maemo app form ubuntu without scratchbox? just with dpkg-buildpackages? |
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| 21:14.26 | psycho_oreos | jdoles, the provider probably will support fallback/slower speeds. As long as they are using the same frequencies as N900 then it should be possible. |
| 21:15.10 | psycho_oreos | wotan147, doubt it. scratchbox is mainly needed also for cross compiling. Plus it has all the necessary maemo deps. |
| 21:16.19 | psycho_oreos | You might be able to forgo scratchbox setup, but you may end up with a messy build environment that is mixed with maemo stuff. In the very least scratchbox is provided so that the mess is somewhat more contained. |
| 21:25.47 | wotan147 | psycho_oreos hm :( okay thanks ;) |
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| 21:28.18 | samuel1 | holaaa |
| 21:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | jdoles: fallback |
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| 21:52.44 | jdoles | Regarding speed, I am seeing that lots of networks still support on 2Mb/s vs 14.4Mb/s and that lots of people have reported 9Mb/s to work on the N900. Is it really annoying to use the 2Mb/s variant? |
| 21:53.41 | jdoles | Most bandwidth limits are really low, so the only benefit would be reduced latency when browsing, but even via wifi that's not really that fast on an N900 (it seems CPU limited). |
| 21:54.22 | jdoles | I am even considering to just keep the N900 as a toy and get another phone for more serious things. |
| 21:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | n900 is no phone and no toy, but a tool |
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| 22:04.00 | jdoles | A tool for doing what exactly? |
| 22:04.40 | jdoles | A laptop can do the same things, except for calling, which even a Nokia 3210 can do (with much better battery life). |
| 22:05.49 | jdoles | Don't get me wrong, it's great that a phone exists on which one can run Debian, if one is so inclined. |
| 22:23.34 | int_ua | what's the right word(s) to call dpkg dependencies separated by | (vertical bar, meaning either one is good) |
| 22:23.35 | int_ua | ? |
| 22:25.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | alternatives? |
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| 22:27.59 | int_ua | DocScrutinizer51, thanks :) |
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| 22:41.04 | int_ua | Doesn't HAM understands them really? Can't find any info |
| 22:46.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | int_ua: seems HAM is't prepared to send the right commands to apt and generally handle a few such thigs |
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| 23:21.01 | RiD | jdoles i still use it as my primary phone |
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