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| 05:54.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | moooo |
| 05:55.25 | psycho_oreos | boooo |
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| 06:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | baaah |
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| 06:14.30 | psycho_oreos | Joy o joy with old nokia's discontinued products *sigh*. |
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| 06:52.31 | Macer | well |
| 06:52.44 | Macer | guess the tethering service for tmob could be added to a prepay acct for $15/month |
| 06:52.56 | Macer | so $45/month with the tethering included and unlimited data. i guess i can live with that |
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| 06:53.16 | Macer | better than ATTs $110 with no txting lol |
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| 07:03.06 | jonwil | God USA phone plans suck |
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| 07:08.49 | psycho_oreos | Still sounds a lot better than the ones offered in .au :p there's no truly "unlimited" 3G plans. |
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| 07:13.50 | jonwil | I live in .au and the plan I am on is far better than most of what the USA seems to get |
| 07:14.34 | psycho_oreos | Does yours provide truly unlimited data plan for $45-$90? |
| 07:14.46 | jonwil | Here in Oz I pay $15.95 per month and get 1GB of data plus $300 worth of credit to use on calls, text and data |
| 07:15.06 | psycho_oreos | I personally have never seen one yet I live in .au as well. All the plans seems to have extra costs if you exceed the quota. |
| 07:15.13 | jonwil | I can use my $300 on anything except international calls, international roaming and premium rate numbers |
| 07:15.26 | psycho_oreos | Ah so your's isn't even unlimited :) |
| 07:15.28 | jonwil | and yes I pay extra if I go over the $300 |
| 07:15.45 | jonwil | but I have never hit that limit and I am a fairly heavy user (of data in particular) |
| 07:15.46 | psycho_oreos | or probably as well you pay extra if you went over 1GB/month plan. |
| 07:16.05 | jonwil | if I use more than 1GB per month, I can use my $300 included credit on data |
| 07:16.17 | jonwil | at 0.2c per kb |
| 07:16.21 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure running a few torrents through 3G will see you hit that limit in no time for instance.. or even mirroring repo.maemo.org. |
| 07:16.27 | jonwil | yes that is true |
| 07:17.25 | jonwil | but that's what my 500GB ADSL2+ plan is for |
| 07:17.37 | psycho_oreos | I'd rather have a truly unlimited plan where I wouldn't have to worry about exceeding any sort of bandwidth (3G-wise). However the companies here are more than willing to take money off you should you exceed your specified quota. |
| 07:17.52 | psycho_oreos | Yeah.. and being chained to wherever your ADSL2+ connection is. :) |
| 07:18.19 | jonwil | fine by me, I have 2 computers and both are desktops |
| 07:18.32 | psycho_oreos | I too have truly unlimited ADSL2+ here but its pointless because I have to stay at home just to use it.. its a huge pain. |
| 07:19.12 | jonwil | I have no real need to use lots of data when I am out and about, if I am downloading big files I can do it at home |
| 07:19.47 | psycho_oreos | Heh one of my laptops recently died but even if it didn't die or if I plan to use my device/phone for heavy internet usage such as torrenting some brand spanking new indie music I'd be paying through my nose if I wasn't cautions. |
| 07:20.23 | jonwil | yeah that's why I dont use my N900 for anything bandwidth-heavy |
| 07:20.24 | psycho_oreos | *shrugs* I guess that's where we differ :) preferences but regardless, there's no truly "unlimited" plan in .au for 3G. Simply put. |
| 07:20.38 | jonwil | yeah true |
| 07:21.04 | jonwil | I haven't seen an 100% unlimited data plan in the US either |
| 07:21.26 | psycho_oreos | At once I did make my N900 mirror a few large sites, obviously not through 3G because I'd be paying through my nose if I were that stupid/naive. |
| 07:22.03 | psycho_oreos | *shrugs* I've heard they offer plans that will cap you (yes on 3G or whatever else they had) once you hit your quota. Nothing like that here. |
| 07:22.23 | jonwil | I haven't heard of those |
| 07:22.33 | jonwil | Over there they force you to pay expensive costs for a "data pack" just because you have a smartphone even if you dont want big amounts of data |
| 07:22.52 | jonwil | oh and "smartphone" means whatever the carrier wants it to mean |
| 07:24.37 | psycho_oreos | Heh I was on "data pack" some 3 years ago. It was one of the three optional packs because I chose to pay with rather expensive plan. The "data plan" offered 300MB instead of.. I don't know probably 100MB, instead I forfeit SMS pack or call pack just for data pack. |
| 07:25.40 | psycho_oreos | is certain there's probably better plans in US. Even their connections throughout city-wise is reasonably faster (on the average) compared to .au. |
| 07:27.45 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/17/jolla_sailfish_os_android_support/ |
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| 07:29.58 | psycho_oreos | Oh yeah that reminds me, I need to go back and fix this bloody issue up. |
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| 08:32.22 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: I will remove the link as soon as I am home tonight (tapatalk) |
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| 11:04.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: thanks! |
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| 11:13.01 | quackquack | DocScrutinizer05, |
| 11:13.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | You summoned me? |
| 11:14.05 | quackquack | yep dude. can i send you a private message? |
| 11:14.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, can you? |
| 11:14.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 11:14.42 | quackquack | i does. |
| 11:14.44 | quackquack | it does. |
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| 14:21.11 | LjL | the USB-OTG cable works with a USB key i tried, but no luck with the RTLSDR :( |
| 14:25.15 | psycho_oreos | RTLSDR? |
| 14:27.13 | psycho_oreos | Ahh DVB-T chip. I guess you'd need to compile the kernel driver/driver as I don't think anyone else would have used N900 for DVB-T stuff. |
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| 14:38.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: wrong |
| 14:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373762#post1373762 |
| 14:39.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, not exactly dvb-t |
| 14:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | n900 can't prolly do that, not enough grunt, no drivers |
| 14:39.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | but we're talking about SDR, not DVB-T |
| 14:41.58 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, interesting, though when I googled RTLSDR, the first few results were DVB-T stuff. If only LjL had specified it was SDR stuff. :p |
| 14:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: you used the enhanced booston script? (you do when you installed a semi-recent H-E-N). You might want to define a LED pattern in mce.ini to give you a clue about boostmode still active or already failed out due to e.g. overcurrent protection. rtlsdr sticks are power greedy |
| 14:43.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: RTLSDR is about abusing a rtl2832 chip based dvb-t stick for SDR |
| 14:51.01 | LjL | psycho_oreos, these cheap USB keys are *meant* to be DVB-T receivers, but in practice, people found out they can be used as pretty powerful and generic SDR receivers. they dubbed this use "RTLSDR" |
| 14:51.35 | LjL | DocScrutinizer05: hm, i tried using Pali's (?) usb host enabler script, which does have a LED pattern, and it stays on. but with h-e-n i currently have no LED pattern |
| 14:51.50 | LjL | still, the RTLSDR's blue LED stays on |
| 14:51.56 | LjL | so it's getting *some* current |
| 14:53.08 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05 && LjL, ahh I see. All this is starting to make sense (as I was just reading wikipedia entries about it). |
| 14:53.51 | LjL | DocScrutinizer05: oh yeah i used the enhanced booston, maybe it was already in h-e-n, but anyway i copied it manually from your forum post about it |
| 14:56.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali's USB host enabler script is convenient as long as it works, but every so often it just fails where H-E-N still works |
| 14:57.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: for LED pattern in H-E-N booston script you need to define a pattern in /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 14:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | booston script has a comment about that part |
| 14:58.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't add an auto-installed since that would have pulled in additional dependencies |
| 14:58.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | installer* |
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| 15:09.41 | LjL | DocScrutinizer05, need to leave home now so can't try right away, but i'll let you know |
| 15:09.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 15:27.47 | FIQ | hooray |
| 15:27.55 | FIQ | filesystem corrupt for a 3rd time |
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| 15:49.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | incredible |
| 15:51.42 | FIQ | and this time it was definitely not caused by a hard shutdown |
| 15:52.10 | FIQ | because my last shutdown was due to a battery dying... |
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| 16:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for tmo IP-ban fsckup. Techstaff hopes your tmo admin will sort it out in due time |
| 16:46.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're not affected, all the better |
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| 20:13.09 | Sicelo | question about ebook(epub) readers on maemo -- i have fbreader, mebook, and dorian installed (listed in order of worst to best performance). however all these can't do annotations/highlighting in epub files. Xournal can do this for PDfs, but obviously doesn't support EPUB. |
| 20:14.00 | Sicelo | is there a reader that can add annotations or highlighting o an EPUB file one Maemo? |
| 20:14.14 | Sicelo | s/one/on/ |
| 20:15.03 | Sicelo | s/g o/g to/ |
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| 20:46.56 | sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: I have no idea but have you tried epubreader |
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| 20:48.43 | sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/view/epubreader/ |
| 21:05.28 | RiD | how can i create a symlink in .sounds that redirects to a specific folder in my memory card? |
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| 21:07.25 | Pali | $ ln -s /media/mmc1/file .sounds/file |
| 21:07.32 | wnd | if you haven't created a new filesystem on MyDocs, you don't |
| 21:08.01 | wnd | it uses vfat by defalt, which doesn't support fancy things such as symlinks |
| 21:08.07 | RiD | ugh |
| 21:08.13 | dos1 | you can symlink *to* vfat |
| 21:08.19 | dos1 | you cannot do that *on* it |
| 21:08.22 | RiD | hmm... |
| 21:08.30 | RiD | i guess that will do it. |
| 21:09.05 | wnd | you could bind-mount a proper fs over .sounds :-) |
| 21:09.32 | RiD | oh wait |
| 21:09.36 | RiD | does symlink work on fat32? |
| 21:15.00 | RiD | yeah it doesn't. Guess I'll have to live with it - too lazy to reformat mSD card, since it's sole purpose is to store & listen to music |
| 21:16.51 | dos1 | RiD: vfat == fat32 |
| 21:17.21 | dos1 | if you want to point to memory card, then it doesn't matter which fs it has |
| 21:17.34 | dos1 | what matters is which fs is where you want to place that link |
| 21:18.24 | RiD | well i just wanted it to be sort of a simple "shortcut" to another folder, so that I don't have to separatedly browse mSD music on rockbox |
| 21:18.44 | dos1 | where is .sounds? in /home? |
| 21:18.55 | RiD | /home/MyDocs/.sounds i guess |
| 21:19.13 | dos1 | MyDocs is vfat, so it won't work |
| 21:19.19 | RiD | i noticed |
| 21:19.23 | dos1 | you would have to reformat MyDocs, not mSD card |
| 21:19.45 | RiD | but the other way could work for me too - i can set rockbox file browser default location |
| 21:20.13 | RiD | hm, maybe if I do a folder full of symlinks to these, on a different fs? |
| 21:21.29 | dos1 | it should work |
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| 22:05.11 | Win7Mac | Hi there! |
| 22:05.15 | Win7Mac | Would you agree that option #2 here is the right way to go to install grub on a Laptop with 1 SSD for Ubuntu+Win7 and 1 HDD for data?: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=102097#p579913 |
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| 23:14.22 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: neo900.org got some visits with trooli.fi referers |
| 23:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 23:14.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | patent trolls? |
| 23:15.18 | dos1 | google translate: "Finland's leading investment and economic debate focuses on economically and ideologically totally independent forum." |
| 23:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 23:16.24 | dos1 | but seems to be available only for registered |
| 23:16.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | still unclear what to think about it |
| 23:16.44 | dos1 | so dunno what's inside about neo900 |
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| 23:17.38 | dos1 | since website update there were 18 referrals (for comparition: 25 from mwkn, 23 from slashdot) |
| 23:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, mwkn |
| 23:18.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | forgot to check recent issue |
| 23:18.23 | dos1 | :) |
| 23:18.43 | dos1 | 39 from facebook and 181 from tmo :D |
| 23:18.53 | GeneralAntilles | Woo, MWKN |
| 23:20.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ms which killed nokia |
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| 23:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | just started to wonder why Jolla can sell a 300EUR preorder tshirt when Neo900 worries about how to get 15k bucks to develop prototypes |
| 23:22.26 | dos1 | there are also referrals from various blog posts, mostly in foreign languages |
| 23:22.52 | dos1 | this trooli.fi being the only mysterious one |
| 23:24.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, what jolla promises to deliver eventually (basically nothing specific at all), we can promise just as well |
| 23:24.48 | GeneralAntilles | More modern? |
| 23:24.53 | GeneralAntilles | backing of a real company? |
| 23:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, let's be honest - for now "walk on, nothing to see here!" on Neo900.org |
| 23:25.22 | dos1 | hmm, trooli means trawl in Finnish, so I guess it's some news robot or something |
| 23:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | err wait, 100EUR preorder |
| 23:25.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | rightß |
| 23:25.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 23:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: google it, there must be something known about this site |
| 23:28.01 | dos1 | ok, "news bot" is a red herring |
| 23:28.03 | dos1 | "The country's leading stock market experts gathered to it anonymously on a daily basis. If you want to succeed and make the first miljoonasi quickly as trooli.fi is the right address. Does not require an email or a name, so you can chat with the investment problems anonymously!" |
| 23:28.11 | dos1 | (gtranslate of course) |
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| 23:28.51 | dos1 | I wonder what "leading stock market experts" would want to discuss about neo900 :o |
| 23:30.35 | dos1 | well, something's fishy there: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fi&u=http://kaksplus.fi/keskustelu/plussalaiset/mitas-nyt/2261649-miten-saisin-trooli-fi-sta-varakkaan-miehen-itselleni-iskettya/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtrooli%2Bfi%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Diceweasel-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:pl-PL:unofficial |
| 23:30.49 | dos1 | I guess we need someone who knows Finnish to get proper answer :P |
| 23:31.44 | dos1 | can sing Ievan Polkka, but that's it :) |
| 23:32.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | HUMPPA? |
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| 23:34.44 | dos1 | dunno much about humppa, but I definitely cannot dance :D |
| 23:34.55 | wnd | erm... "How can I hook up with a weathy gentleman at trooli.fi? They're wealthy and smart; just look at their huge 4x4s and booze cruises to Tallinn. They save loads of money that way, and I'd definitely have use for that money! [image link] I suppose they wouldn't have a poor, low-income women?" |
| 23:35.00 | wnd | what a load of... |
| 23:35.54 | dos1 | wtf |
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| 23:38.05 | wnd | it's hard to translate badly written text that's as clueless as that |
| 23:38.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | thaks anyway X-D |
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| 23:39.09 | Kilroo | So I actually noticed today who you are on the forums, Doc. |
| 23:39.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh |
| 23:39.25 | RiD | Kilroo haha, it wasn't instant for me either |
| 23:40.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kilroo: could you tell me? i'm wondering since long time who i am |
| 23:40.47 | Kilroo | I know the feeling. I have no idea who I am. |
| 23:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's ask my darling infobot |
| 23:41.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg |
| 23:41.58 | infobot | joerg is probably a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 23:42.06 | dos1 | you're wealthy and smart, just look at your huge 4x4s! but I suppose you wouldn't have a... wait, no, stop |
| 23:42.09 | dos1 | ;) |
| 23:42.36 | Kilroo | ~DocScrutinizer |
| 23:42.36 | infobot | i guess docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 23:42.51 | dos1 | ~dos |
| 23:42.52 | infobot | i guess dos is (Disk Operating System) This OS is what got it all started for PCs. Denial of Service... |
| 23:42.56 | dos1 | :) |
| 23:42.59 | Kilroo | Hooray cross-referencing... |
| 23:43.02 | Kilroo | ~Kilroo |
| 23:43.16 | Kilroo | ~scriptninja |
| 23:43.21 | Kilroo | Good. |
| 23:44.47 | RiD | you have huge 4x4's? |
| 23:45.16 | dos1 | they're weathy gentleman at #maemo :) |
| 23:45.18 | Kilroo | I still read 4x4 and think of a wooden beam before I think of a vehicle... |
| 23:45.41 | RiD | i want to know what kind of 4x4's you own, Doc |
| 23:46.14 | dos1 | RiD: read scrollback, I think I just trolled you :D |
| 23:47.29 | RiD | eh wat |
| 23:47.46 | RiD | you messed up my brain |
| 23:51.39 | dos1 | yw :) |
| 23:53.13 | RiD | see, you keep doing it |
| 23:54.27 | dos1 | I think I'd better go to sleep now |
| 23:54.33 | dos1 | before I mess up more innocent brains |
| 23:57.40 | RiD | i am not innocent |
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