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| 03:39.54 | oooaaaooo | hi guys im trying to repartition my /home with gparted but my n900 mounts as the following : http://pastebin.com/yKp5YgVS |
| 03:41.14 | oooaaaooo | when i open gparted i can see that the vfat & ext3 partitions for /sdb1 & sdb2 are locked. i assume thats because i dont have write permission to thepartitions |
| 03:41.35 | oooaaaooo | ive tried chmod-ding the mount points nothing happens |
| 03:41.41 | oooaaaooo | what should i do |
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| 09:50.50 | Mike11 | hello everybody :) |
| 09:51.36 | Mike11 | my n900 falsly detects some WPA networks as WEP , so it prompts me to enter its "WEP" key , anyone with similar issues here? |
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| 11:57.02 | ashley | well now this is strange |
| 11:57.58 | ashley | I enabled extras-devel (via the GUI) and after a while, I was prompted to update fMMS and Calendar Home Widget...I allowed the updates to happen to get 'em outta my way; after all, I was originally planning on not updating those, but installing gpSP |
| 11:58.29 | ashley | installing gpSP via the instructions at http://wiki.maemo.org/GpSP#Installation didn't work somehow, despite that I was root, so I went to the Application Manager... |
| 11:59.14 | ashley | and poof! all the repository listings there are gone -- not just extras-devel, but all of them...anyone know why? and where and how I can reinstall all of 'em? (one-click solutions are always preferred, because I'm lazy ;-) but other sorta solutions are accepted, too) |
| 12:00.31 | sixwheeledbeast | close ham wait and try again? |
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| 12:07.20 | ashley | ah, that seems to have done the trick -- thanks sixwheeledbeast :-) |
| 12:09.31 | mashina | ham does that |
| 12:09.36 | mashina | i just use apt |
| 12:10.21 | ashley | alright, onto the next issue! |
| 12:10.36 | ashley | I managed to install gpSP via HAM successfully (sic) |
| 12:10.49 | ashley | the installation instructions tell to set some permissions (as root): http://wiki.maemo.org/GpSP#Installation |
| 12:11.16 | ashley | the line "mkdir -P /home/user/.config/Team16/gpsp/" doesn't work, though -- I get: "mkdir: invalid option -- P" when trying to do that |
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| 12:20.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, the instructions been written by somebody who installed coreutils-gnu |
| 12:20.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | messybox is a crippled crap that never supports all options you would like to see on any command |
| 12:21.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox |
| 12:21.03 | infobot | well, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
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| 12:22.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | man mkdir; on a *real* system (or on maemo with mandb-n900 installed ;-D) |
| 12:23.46 | mashina | i actually like busybox |
| 12:23.52 | mashina | never ran into limitations |
| 12:23.57 | mashina | then again I use busybox-power |
| 12:24.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | otoh not even my desktop knows option -P |
| 12:24.24 | mashina | i use openbsd and it's not there either. probably meant -p? |
| 12:24.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly |
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| 12:51.50 | jonwil | too bad the 10 packages on my wishlist are exactly the sort of packages Nokia are least likely to want to open up :P |
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| 12:53.09 | ashley | so I made it almost through the installation instructions -- the last step didn't succeed because apparently /opt/gpspm/conf.gpsp doesn't exist so it can't be chmodded either |
| 12:54.15 | ashley | http://wiki.maemo.org/GpSP#How_to_run says to "Simply use the icon ! Enjoy your games!"...but the icon just isn't there o_O |
| 13:04.08 | iops2 | mandb-n900 just didnt install right |
| 13:04.10 | iops2 | i have no idea |
| 13:04.12 | iops2 | y |
| 13:04.22 | iops2 | and then i had to google which told me to --purge erything |
| 13:04.35 | iops2 | did so and still thinking of installing again ... will do ! |
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| 13:11.52 | dos1 | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/09/14/0023202/nokia-had-an-android-phone-in-development |
| 13:12.19 | ashley | okay, time for a few more noob questions: 1) where are the *.desktop files stored again? I can never remember the name of that folder... 2) how would I locate the gpSP binary? "which gpspm" and "which gpspmgui" return nothing... |
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| 13:25.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: http://privatepaste.com/ce22d5ea78 |
| 13:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically /usr/share/applications/hildon/ |
| 13:27.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: 2) with locate ;-) Or with find |
| 13:27.27 | ashley | thanks DocScrutinizer05 :) (and I'm guessing that locate is provided by gnu-coreutils or somesuch that isn't installed by default since I'm getting "-sh: locate: not found") |
| 13:27.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | while locate isn't standard (need to install, see ~jrtools), find should even work from messybox |
| 13:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | findutils-gnu - utilities for finding files--find, xargs |
| 13:28.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | locate - maintain and query an index of a directory tree |
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| 13:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | locate needs proper gnu-find, I patched the .deb to use gfind instead of (messybox) find. gfind is a symlink in /usr/bin pointing to /usr/bin/gnu/find. You thus need to install findutils-gnu for locate to work |
| 13:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops, that been misleading. The locate package *got* patched to use.... |
| 13:33.15 | ashley | I downloaded the source code of gpspmgui from http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/g/gpspmgui/ (gpspmgui_3.1.3-1.tar.gz) and took a peek at the gpspmgui.desktop file -- it executes "gpspmgui" but when I try to do that from my N900, I get the standard "not found" message...yet when I installed the thingy via HAM it reported that "1 application installed successfully" :-/ |
| 13:33.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | it probably should pull in findutils-gnu as dependency when you install it |
| 13:34.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet it got optified and no proper symlink to the binary in /hme/opt/???/gpspmgui |
| 13:35.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | many packages fail on installing the mandatory symlinks |
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| 13:36.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | devels obviously think that shell user shall type full pathname "home/opt/xxxx/yyyy" to invoke the executable |
| 13:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I frequently find myself doing the symlinks manually |
| 13:37.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# which alarmed |
| 13:37.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/alarmed |
| 13:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll `which alarmed` |
| 13:37.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2011-06-20 15:53 /usr/bin/alarmed -> /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py |
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| 13:39.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | the .desktop usually use full pathname to invoke the binary |
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| 13:39.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | for shell you regularly want proper symlinks |
| 13:40.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | since, duh! I'm not going to add ":/opt/alarmed/" to my $PATH |
| 13:43.00 | ashley | besides managing to segfault nano (man, I am good...just at the wrong things!), I also found out that "gpspm" is installed...but there's no "gpspmgui", which seems awfully silly, considering I typed "apt-get install gpspmgui" to install this thing, just as specified in the instructions |
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| 13:47.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you please pastebin the .desktop |
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| 13:50.11 | ashley | http://privatepaste.com/5b4a5bf351 -- this is the gpspmgui_3.1.3-1.tar\gpspmgui-3.1.3\extra\gpspmgui.desktop file from the source code, i.e. *not* from my device; I managed to find the gpspm binary in /opt/gpspm/gpspm, but a GUI would be very nice... |
| 13:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I find in .deb: /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gpspmgui |
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| 13:52.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/14/plasma-desktopQC3743.png |
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| 13:54.10 | ashley | ls /opt/maemo/usr/bin shows only four entries for me -- SheetToGoEditor, SlideShowToGoEditor, WordToGoEditor and vumeter, no gpspmgui :-/ |
| 13:55.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 13:55.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe start apt-get as root ;-) ? |
| 13:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's extras-devel, for all I know it might be fubar packaging |
| 13:56.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | or your system/device is messed up |
| 13:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | df -h /optmaemo/usr/bin |
| 13:57.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | +/ |
| 13:59.25 | ashley | I honestly have no idea, but an "apt-get install gpspmgui" as root worked (well, save for the fact that there is no real "icon", just a blue cube-ish thingy, for the GUI)...I guess I just messed up something somewhere (or maybe the packaging is fubar'd or both) |
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| 14:00.04 | rd1381 | hi |
| 14:00.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | the blue cubish thingie is due to some fsckup in the way hildon creates the icon cache |
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| 14:00.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | do "touch <path-to-.desktop>" |
| 14:00.57 | rd1381 | can somebody tell me how to restore fast application manager repos from backup |
| 14:01.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 14:01.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | fapman deprecated |
| 14:01.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure it shpouldn't use own repos |
| 14:02.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | use HAM to manage your repos, or you *will* run into troubles eventually |
| 14:02.23 | rd1381 | deprecated? |
| 14:02.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fapman |
| 14:02.34 | infobot | i guess fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. |
| 14:02.53 | rd1381 | HAM ? do you mean the default n900 app manager? |
| 14:03.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:03.13 | rd1381 | its slow,,, very slow |
| 14:03.24 | rd1381 | and less features than fapman |
| 14:04.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | fapman is braindamaged, regarding it pretending to replace HAM which it evidently doesn't. It also does BAD[TM] things to your system, like apt-get autoremove |
| 14:04.40 | rd1381 | it has the option to disable "apt-get autoremove" |
| 14:04.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't care |
| 14:04.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | fapman is deprecated |
| 14:05.27 | Wizzup | but it's _fast_ |
| 14:05.27 | Wizzup | ;-) |
| 14:05.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | rm -rf also is _fast_ X-P |
| 14:06.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 14:06.56 | infobot | somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 14:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I probably should add a note about fapman, next to the note about crappatch |
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| 14:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also wonder if my tools page needs some explanation about *why* you want bash installed |
| 14:12.20 | Wizzup | first thing I install after vim |
| 14:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and why busybox-power is a fundamentally faulty approach to the issue |
| 14:12.39 | rd1381 | now can somebody tell me how to restore fapman repos |
| 14:13.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | *I* at least can't |
| 14:13.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd just wonder why you lost them, first instance |
| 14:14.27 | rd1381 | I restored my n900 to faxctory (reflash) |
| 14:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, and that been needed why? |
| 14:15.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | not maybe related to you using fapman that messed up your system fubar? |
| 14:15.37 | thedead1440_ | lol |
| 14:16.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAM sourcecode been FOSS ever since. But some genius decided that it would be wise to write a new app called fapman instead of fixing any perceived flaws in HAM |
| 14:16.50 | dos1 | I've used both apt-get and fapman |
| 14:17.09 | dos1 | (apt-get dist-upgrade, that is) |
| 14:17.13 | dos1 | and yes, I messed up the system with them :) |
| 14:17.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the whole enterprise ended in a tool that has high potential to mess up your system since it doesn't consider anything that HAM does |
| 14:18.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | before I use fapman I'd rather use aptitude |
| 14:19.49 | dos1 | hmm, I recall aptitude segfaulting on my N900 (but I'm not sure if that really was N900 and not something else) |
| 14:19.58 | dos1 | if it was something else, then for sure I've been using aptitude on N900 too :D |
| 14:20.33 | mashina | apt > aptitude |
| 14:21.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, HAM *is* slow like dogs**t, but after all you're not supposed to install >1 app per day anyway. Since you should thoroughly test you newly installed app and the whole system for any regressions. You wouldn't know which app to deinstall if you did that tests after installing more than one app |
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| 14:23.54 | ashley | the gpSP icon is still missing, even after "touch"ing it, but at least the emulator itself seems to work \o/ |
| 14:23.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I actually come to think maybe the 5 minutes of waiting till HAM built the app-list so you can continue installing are a FEATURE, allowing you to muse what exactly you need to check and do after installing that ap, and if that app you plan to install is really what you want |
| 14:24.20 | Wizzup | no, its not a feature |
| 14:24.23 | Wizzup | its darn annoying |
| 14:24.24 | Wizzup | :-) |
| 14:24.30 | Wizzup | It's slower than portage |
| 14:24.30 | Wizzup | haha |
| 14:24.36 | thedead1440 | haha doc nice spin on it :p |
| 14:25.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: that's weird. there's a command like osso-update-icon-cache or sth, you might want to run this. You also may want to make sure that the icon got really installed |
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| 14:27.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: reboot usually helps to rebuild the icon cache |
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| 14:30.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | for all I seem to recall hildon is watching /usr/share/apps/hildon/ via inotify and rebuilds icon cache as soon as any file in there gets changed. Installer however doesn't know about that and installs .desktop *BEFORE* the icon that is referenced in .desktop. So when HD kicks in rebuilding the icon cache, it can't find the icon for the new .desktop (yet) ->> blue squircle |
| 14:31.01 | ashley | whee, rebooting fixed the "missing icon" issue \o/ thanks again DocScrutinizer05, you're awesome :D |
| 14:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested since ages to fix that issue by introducing a "sleep 10" between inotify-wait and osso-update-iconcache |
| 14:31.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if that patch got already merged into CSSU |
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| 14:32.15 | jonwil | is looking for something to do... |
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| 14:37.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: find where icon-cache of applauncher is rebuilt ;-) I can't spot it anymore |
| 14:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a cmdline tool |
| 14:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hd-update-icon-cache or whatever |
| 14:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOOH, I think several postinstall scripts call it |
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| 14:45.41 | jonwil | ok, back to being bored. Closest thing to good TV tonight is a couple very boring sports matches :( |
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| 14:49.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | woooosh |
| 14:50.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | another fapmanfan bites the dust ;-) |
| 14:51.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if council should start to investigate if fapman maybe actually is a dangerous app that has to get removed from repos, to protect users |
| 14:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 14:52.11 | mashina | fapman? is he a superhero and his power is masturbation? |
| 14:52.54 | Sysaxed1 | DocScrutinizer05: what else would we use then? apt-get ? |
| 14:53.54 | jonwil | ham |
| 14:54.19 | Sysaxed1 | so dancing around your phone for an hour to install 5 apps is ok? |
| 14:55.08 | jonwil | 'ham is open source, someone should go through and fix the issues with it (including the fact that it takes forever to do things) rather than trying to replace it with something new that doesn't do the right job |
| 14:55.47 | thedead1440 | Sysaxed1: actually if you know what you are doing, apt-get is fine and much more preferable to fapman since it accesses the same repo lists that HAM uses and not a "separate" list... |
| 14:56.28 | thedead1440 | if you are using fapman with the pretext you know what you are doing, apt-get is infinitely better anyway... |
| 14:57.28 | Kilroo | apt-get isn't as convenient for browsing...a fapman-style interface that output apt-get commands would be pretty nice. |
| 14:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: plus apt-get at least WARNs and doesn't do automatic autoremove |
| 14:58.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | it at best suggests to do autoremove |
| 14:58.36 | thedead1440 | never uses HAM except for upgrading CSSU versions... |
| 14:58.42 | thedead1440 | indeed |
| 14:58.51 | Kilroo | Thanks for reminding me, Doc. Need to reinstall flashlight again. |
| 14:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kilroo: THAT would indeed make *some* sense. More than fapman does, anyway |
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| 15:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway for browsing we got the intarwebs, with all those nice green huge "Install" buttons |
| 15:00.50 | Kilroo | ...I also might need to switch to my backup n900...I think my usb port might finally be getting loose... |
| 15:01.04 | Kilroo | Or maybe this cord is faulty. |
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| 15:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's probably _too_ _much_ browsing for you, eh? |
| 15:01.30 | Kilroo | Well, I've never looked. |
| 15:02.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | look! http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/desktop/ |
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| 15:03.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | perfectly convenient way to install an app without waiting ages for HAM to let you browse the list |
| 15:03.54 | Kilroo | Usually what happens is I think either "I wonder if there's something I can install to do X" and go search for a keyword or two to see if I find anything promising (across categories, of course), or "I wonder if there's anything I feel like trying out from category Y" (usually games) so I pull the phone out and look. |
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| 15:04.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | or this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/simple-brightness-applet/ |
| 15:04.39 | mashina | i miss that brightness applet for the n800 that let you get the full 256 levels of brightness |
| 15:04.58 | mashina | i usually cranked that sucker below 10, you could use it without staring into the sun at night |
| 15:10.11 | Sysaxed1 | "(17:57:27) Kilroo: apt-get isn't as convenient for browsing...a fapman-style interface that output apt-get commands would be pretty nice." The problem is that it is not convenient for installing as well. For me it hangs for several minutes after package installation |
| 15:11.06 | Kilroo | Really? Hm. I've never noticed that, but then, I also haven't used it a whole lot. This is actually the first I'd heard anything in particular against fapman. |
| 15:11.56 | Sysaxed1 | ah, shit, seems like I can't read |
| 15:12.09 | Sysaxed1 | I meant that ham is a disaster for anything, not fapman |
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| 15:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kilroo: case A: http://www.google.de/search?q=site%3Amaemo.org+downloads+maemo5+brightness |
| 15:12.58 | Kilroo | I wasn't talking about ham in either case. I was comparing apt-get from terminal with fapman's gui. |
| 15:13.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kilroo: case B: http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/games/ |
| 15:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kilroo: and I suggest an alternative not involving apt, fapman, or HAM (at least initially) |
| 15:15.12 | iops2 | apt-get is the the nicest thing |
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| 15:15.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | even better: http://www.google.de/search?q=site%3Amaemo.org%2Fdownloads+maemo5+brightness |
| 15:16.40 | Kilroo | Doc: you've made your point. I still find fapman's interface more appealing to skim through than opening up a web browser and poking around on maemo.org/download, but I acknowledge that it's not the only convenient alternative. |
| 15:17.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | version 1.0: http://www.google.de/search?q=site%3Amaemo.org%2Fdownloads%2Fproduct%2Fmaemo5+brightness |
| 15:18.04 | Kilroo | Anyhow, at the moment I'm more inclined to play with my new n9 and figure out what I'm going to use to replace sipgate come end of next month. |
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| 15:31.37 | Sysaxed1 | Hahahaha |
| 15:31.38 | Sysaxed1 | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/speedcrunch |
| 15:31.52 | Sysaxed1 | "intelligent automatic completion" |
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| 15:36.00 | Sysaxed1 | awww, my n900 refuses to make a screenshot |
| 15:36.39 | Sysaxed1 | was it ctrl+shft+p? |
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| 15:39.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | for your convenience: |
| 15:39.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~zapman brightness |
| 15:39.28 | infobot | http://www.google.de/search?q=site%3Amaemo.org%2Fdownloads%2Fproduct%2Fmaemo5+brightness |
| 15:40.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | enjoy! |
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| 15:46.11 | Custodian | rocket twitter client is ported to n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91370 |
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| 15:49.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 15:50.51 | Kilroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Custodian: what means >>CSSU Stable update required.<<? |
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| 15:58.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU-S doesn't ship rocket-twitter, and there's nothing in CSSU-S that rocket twitter could depend on that you wouldn't find as well in CSSU-S. So the whole statement is unclear in its meaning to me |
| 16:00.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | if rocket twitter depends on CSSU, then you probably should word it this way, including a link to http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
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| 16:41.10 | Sysaxed | what was the name... it was a nice old game pretty similar to wolfestein |
| 16:41.23 | Sysaxed | but I remember that it was possible to ride a bike in that game |
| 16:41.42 | Sysaxed | also, if I'm not mistaken, the game starts on the island |
| 16:42.36 | Sysaxed | but yeah, the gameplay was very similar to wolfestein |
| 16:42.40 | Sysaxed | I guess.. I don't know |
| 16:42.44 | Sysaxed | it was more than 10 years ago |
| 16:42.56 | Sysaxed | any ideas? |
| 16:46.06 | entitled | I only remember one wolfenstein clone that happened on an island. No riding a bike there tho? Game was crappy on itself, tried to be succesful by using excess gore (you crashlanded on the island full of zombies) |
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| 16:47.03 | Sysaxed | entitled: sounds very similar! |
| 16:47.14 | Sysaxed | bike was far away from the first level.. |
| 16:47.38 | Sysaxed | entitled: how was that game called? |
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| 16:50.11 | entitled | isle of the dead? |
| 16:59.16 | Sysaxed | entitled: this one looks very similar, but no :\ |
| 17:00.34 | Sysaxed | I'm pretty sure that there was a bike.. |
| 17:03.31 | Sysaxed | http://www.abandonia.com/files/games/688/Isle%20Of%20The%20Dead_1.png |
| 17:03.38 | Sysaxed | oh dang |
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| 17:03.43 | Sysaxed | that's it |
| 17:03.59 | Sysaxed | not sure if I meant that game, but I'm pretty sure that I've played Isle of the dead |
| 17:04.53 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, really there is a problem with sdk download |
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| 17:05.05 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it goes in circles :) |
| 17:05.09 | Sysaxed | so, yeah, seems like both games are mixed in my memory |
| 17:05.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | it does? |
| 17:05.17 | nedko | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.30 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: click "I accept" on http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 17:05.33 | Sysaxed | so now I'm searching for a game that was very similar to wolfenstein and had a bike |
| 17:05.48 | Sysaxed | without beach and island stuff |
| 17:05.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you're not supposed to use http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 17:06.02 | freemangordon | you're redirected to the same php on nokia's server |
| 17:06.08 | freemangordon | oh, ok :) |
| 17:06.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's only stage for server farm |
| 17:07.05 | freemangordon | ok, but where are VMWare images stored? |
| 17:07.18 | freemangordon | scratch that |
| 17:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | since apache isn't smart enough to deliver differnet content based on dunnowhat, we need to ship content that's correct for tabletsdev.n.c |
| 17:07.58 | freemangordon | or wait, don't scratch that, see http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ |
| 17:08.16 | nedko | i'd be glad if someone just gives me md5sum of the vmware zip file or of the MD5SUM file they got |
| 17:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you could have *relative* (instead of absolute) URLs in html, we could sanitize that |
| 17:08.32 | nedko | and preferably not someone who got them from the same bulgarian server |
| 17:08.46 | freemangordon | nedko: this is nokia server, if you don;t trust them, well... http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 17:08.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | nedko: your wish is my command |
| 17:08.58 | Sysaxed | was there any doom clone with bike? |
| 17:09.13 | nedko | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot to add PLEASE |
| 17:09.20 | freemangordon | nedko: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=MD5SUMS |
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| 17:10.03 | nedko | freemangordon: yes, this goes to a server in bulgaria |
| 17:10.24 | freemangordon | nedko: so what is the problem? |
| 17:10.45 | freemangordon | if nokia has a server in bulgaria, that is just fine, you have better speeds |
| 17:11.12 | freemangordon | if you don;t trust your isp, well, just change it :) |
| 17:11.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's the name of the file? |
| 17:11.38 | nedko | freemangordon: it is not accessible via https (invalid ssl certificate) so i'd like to check from different location in internet |
| 17:11.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | use skeiron! |
| 17:12.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's the name of the file? |
| 17:12.08 | nedko | freemangordon: in bulgaria we have state enforced internet censorship :) |
| 17:12.15 | freemangordon | nedko: can;t help, I am in Bulgaria too |
| 17:12.16 | freemangordon | ;) |
| 17:12.21 | nedko | freemangordon: i know :) |
| 17:12.27 | nedko | DocScrutinizer05: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=MD5SUMS |
| 17:12.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | sigh! |
| 17:13.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/c7ee79c480 |
| 17:13.46 | nedko | lets try with a different one then... |
| 17:13.58 | dos1 | http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH |
| 17:14.08 | nedko | Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 17:14.26 | nedko | dos1: thank you! |
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| 17:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | joerg@stage:/var/tabletsdev$ locate Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 17:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | /var/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 17:14.49 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what certificate do you get here https://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php ? |
| 17:15.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 17:15.08 | freemangordon | try it, please |
| 17:15.23 | dos1 | freemangordon: The certificate is only valid for the following names: *.akamaihd.net , *.akamaihd-staging.net , a248.e.akamai.net |
| 17:15.30 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 17:15.51 | nedko | here you get a1341 |
| 17:15.51 | freemangordon | WTF?!? Nokia went totally nuts? |
| 17:16.10 | nedko | freemangordon: these aliases dont really work with ssl |
| 17:16.17 | freemangordon | nedko: doesn;t matter, it is not .nokia. |
| 17:16.24 | nedko | i think a1341 and a248 are part of the CDN |
| 17:16.42 | nedko | tablets-dev.nokia.com is an alias for tablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net. |
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| 17:17.00 | freemangordon | however, we can't fix that :) |
| 17:17.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/14/plasma-desktopdY3743.png |
| 17:17.51 | freemangordon | yep, the same |
| 17:18.48 | freemangordon | nedko: it is not our government :) |
| 17:19.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | joerg@stage:/var/tabletsdev$ md5sum /var/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 17:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | 8c173b04bb3951bcfd4433da554b6c3a /var/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 17:19.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | joerg@stage:/var/tabletsdev$ ls -l /var/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 17:19.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 repository repository 1457450621 Dec 10 2010 /var/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 17:19.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | joerg@stage:/var/tabletsdev$ |
| 17:19.28 | nedko | DocScrutinizer05: thank you! |
| 17:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | HTH |
| 17:20.38 | nedko | freemangordon: http://pastebin.com/BaPen35M |
| 17:21.32 | freemangordon | looks just fine to me |
| 17:21.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 17:21.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | akamai server farm |
| 17:21.51 | nedko | fine except the ssl :) |
| 17:21.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | == https://tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 17:22.03 | freemangordon | but it is nokia to blame for that |
| 17:22.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | zilch we can do |
| 17:22.20 | nedko | i guess it is microsoft now |
| 17:22.24 | nedko | :] |
| 17:22.24 | freemangordon | anyway, back to hsi/ssi/cmt |
| 17:22.34 | dos1 | it's always microsoft to blame :) |
| 17:23.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | please don't bitch about that https://tablets-dev.nokia.com, it's basically orphaned. Nokia won't do *anything* about it except shutting it down |
| 17:24.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's akamai doing the maintenance, and Nokia "forgot" about that infra |
| 17:25.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, for any problems with https://tablets-dev.nokia.com please contact techstaff AT MAEMO.ORG |
| 17:26.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | *not* nokia! |
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| 19:41.10 | FIQ | hmm |
| 19:41.35 | FIQ | 2 months ago, I was fighting with an odd bug making bindmounts refuse to work.. while I gave up on debugging that when I saw that it basically froze in the initialization for no apparent reason which caused the bindmounts to fail, I think I finally know what causes it now... |
| 19:42.03 | FIQ | *python bindmounts |
| 19:42.03 | FIQ | I don't know *why*, but it seems to happen when the clock is reset (see: battery change), and updates automatically once you enter the PIN |
| 19:42.04 | FIQ | at that very boot, the bindmounts fails, but not otherwise |
| 19:42.30 | FIQ | Not sure if it's due to a bogus time, due to the actual clock update when it updates from SIM, or due to something else during the change of battery.. but it happens in that situation and never otherwise |
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| 19:48.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: nice finding |
| 19:48.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ^^^ |
| 19:48.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ^^^ |
| 19:50.51 | Custodian | DocScrutinizer05: (about the cssu dependency) it means exactly as you thought about it, you have to install cssu to get updated qt and deps. |
| 19:52.39 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: it's also worth pointing out that I don't have hildon-welcome (or whatever the "hi! please set your clock" screen is provided by), which may or may not have something to do with it as well |
| 19:53.32 | FIQ | it was told earlier in this channel when I ranted about that screen a little that it was completely safe to remove, so I see no wrongdoing on my part for removing it |
| 19:55.07 | nedko | will armhf binaries work on n900? |
| 19:59.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, prolly not |
| 20:00.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | though it maybe doesn't matter until something uses floating point arithmetic eventually |
| 20:00.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw the speed boost from hf is often overestimated |
| 20:00.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's actually marginal |
| 20:01.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui |
| 20:01.39 | nedko | even for fp intensive stuff? |
| 20:01.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:02.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | since the only difference is _when_ the variables get moved from standard registers to fp registers |
| 20:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | whether in app or in library |
| 20:02.37 | nedko | hmm |
| 20:02.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the end both methods use the FP coproc |
| 20:02.55 | nedko | inst arm-non-hf using soft floating point emulation? |
| 20:03.22 | nedko | *isn't |
| 20:04.00 | ShadowJK | no. |
| 20:04.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, soft is just a lib that also uses the coporc if available |
| 20:04.50 | nedko | interesting |
| 20:04.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you see, the real difference is sth between 0.0% and maybe 5 intructiins more or less per call |
| 20:05.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | only if app would keep the vars in FP registers |
| 20:05.37 | ShadowJK | The difference is that if you have a non-inline function float blah(float a, float b){ return a+b; }, in the non-hf case a and b are pushed to stack at function call, popped from stack in blah() |
| 20:05.58 | ShadowJK | in armhf a and b are loaded into registers |
| 20:06.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | if app either moves the vars to FP and out of FP, or calls a lib that does exactly same - no diff at all |
| 20:06.31 | ShadowJK | stack vs registers as place for storing function parameters is the only difference |
| 20:07.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 20:07.25 | ShadowJK | From this also follows, that armhf gives most boost to apps with functions that do very little |
| 20:07.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 20:07.44 | ShadowJK | because there the extra overhead will be a bigger proportion of total time |
| 20:07.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW poorly written apps |
| 20:09.01 | ShadowJK | of which there are many :-) |
| 20:09.20 | nedko | it is clearer now, thanks |
| 20:09.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | add to this the PITA that you can't tell if a binary is hardfp or softfp, and you'll come to the conclusion that you better don't bother at all and simply stick with whatever is default on your platform |
| 20:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: good ARM compilers do a hell of a job on auto-inline |
| 20:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and other weird (*really* weird) stuff |
| 20:11.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes you need half an hour for your "mathematical proof" why what you wrote and what compiler made of it are actualy same thing |
| 20:13.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...for a 50..100 lines c src |
| 20:13.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | judging by the assembler code, you would *bet* this never can be your program |
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| 20:43.08 | Pali | in mdns nss library is bug, it does not set interface index for ipv6 addresses |
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| 20:44.18 | Pali | so when mdns nss library resolve hostname to link-local ipv6 address, everything fail, because without interface index it is not possible to ipv6 link local address |
| 20:45.06 | Pali | problem is not only in maemo mdns nss library (in extras-devel), but also in ubuntu 12.10 |
| 20:45.22 | Pali | so upstream bug... |
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| 21:27.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hrhrhrhr |
| 21:27.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | modern leete new stuff like IPv6, bah! |
| 21:28.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe in 5 years, after the betatest finished ;-P |
| 21:29.08 | Pali | I agree, with ipv6 are only problems... |
| 21:29.16 | Pali | ... but because programmer does not know how to write correct ipv6 code |
| 21:29.44 | Pali | there is only one *working* dhcpv6 client for linux |
| 21:30.28 | Pali | but because new version is too new, it is still not in any distribution |
| 21:31.13 | Pali | dhcpcd ver 6 |
| 21:31.58 | Pali | and there is also big network manager which patching ISC dhclient config/script file |
| 21:32.21 | Pali | and last version of network manager maybe working too |
| 21:33.02 | Pali | so for correct and working ipv6 support in linux (userspace) we need to wait... |
| 21:33.31 | Wizzup | http://asset-b.soup.io/asset/5185/2833_b239.jpeg |
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| 21:55.02 | Luke-Jr | Pali: erm, because DHCPv6 is useless :P |
| 21:55.51 | Pali | useless? it is only one protocol for statefull ip address assign |
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| 21:58.45 | Pali | Luke-Jr: but still routers and prefixes can be received only from RA |
| 21:59.39 | Pali | and this is problem of all linux dhcp clients: they are not able to set ipv6 address and routers on interfaces correctly |
| 21:59.55 | Luke-Jr | works fine for me for years |
| 21:59.59 | Luke-Jr | no need for dhcp |
| 22:01.46 | Pali | Luke-Jr: no need for dhcp? and how you want to use statefull address? |
| 22:01.56 | Pali | manual ip address assignment? |
| 22:02.19 | Pali | this is stupid |
| 22:02.51 | Luke-Jr | stateful addressing is stupid |
| 22:02.59 | Luke-Jr | autoconfigured IPs is fine |
| 22:03.32 | Luke-Jr | it's not like they change |
| 22:04.06 | Pali | maybe you should look at some bigger networks, and then write that statefull is stupid |
| 22:04.43 | Pali | allowing *any* client to use random address is not usable |
| 22:04.59 | Pali | this can work in some small home networks, but thats all |
| 22:05.44 | Pali | and stateless autoconf working only on /64 networks |
| 22:05.53 | Luke-Jr | which is the bare minimum assignment |
| 22:06.04 | Pali | and /48? |
| 22:06.15 | Luke-Jr | stateless autoconf works fine in a /48 too |
| 22:06.32 | Pali | but is problematic |
| 22:07.29 | Luke-Jr | works for me |
| 22:07.31 | Luke-Jr | ™ |
| 22:07.33 | Pali | and it is still stateless |
| 22:07.38 | Luke-Jr | which is fine |
| 22:07.47 | Pali | max for home networks |
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