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| 01:54.01 | jonwil | hmmm, still not sure if the Neo900 software stuff should go on wiki.maemo.org or somewhere else... |
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| 02:14.36 | qwerty123 | hey!! help wit lockcode.. its not showing any hash !! |
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| 02:20.37 | qwerty123 | Srry net hadgone down!! |
| 02:20.56 | qwerty123 | Please help me with the lockcode!! |
| 02:36.49 | nox- | ~lockcode |
| 02:36.49 | infobot | somebody said lockcode was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 |
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| 02:42.31 | qwerty123 | Its not giving any hash from that /dev/mtd1 code!! |
| 02:43.24 | nox- | oh |
| 02:43.29 | nox- | dunno then |
| 02:43.38 | nox- | maybe DocScrutinizer05 knows |
| 02:44.38 | qwerty123 | :( is he available now?? There in tmo thread, lies a similar but unsolved query!! |
| 02:46.45 | nox- | yeah probably sleeping now |
| 02:51.26 | qwerty123 | Umm :( |
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| 03:09.07 | Macer | fb fixed their xmpp |
| 03:09.09 | Macer | :) |
| 03:09.13 | Macer | good stuff |
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| 03:42.39 | Luke-Jr | Macer: no they didn't |
| 03:43.29 | Luke-Jr | I guess TLS works |
| 03:43.41 | Luke-Jr | but still, is it really fixed without federation? :p |
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| 04:58.18 | Macer | Luke-Jr: heh. fk federation |
| 04:58.41 | Macer | google is dumpung xmpp altogether and "closing" shop |
| 04:58.49 | Macer | dumping |
| 04:59.21 | Macer | they have also closede their exchange connector for gmail |
| 04:59.47 | Macer | only gapps customers can sync calendars and contacts in win8 |
| 05:00.10 | Macer | so windows phones, blackberries, and probably even ios |
| 05:00.17 | Macer | no more google synching |
| 05:00.32 | Macer | only imap for gmail users |
| 05:01.01 | Macer | google = the next closed conglomerate |
| 05:01.48 | Macer | pulled a us govt... sucked people in for a few years with promises of free stuff ... then took the freedom away later after millions were stuck lol |
| 05:02.10 | Macer | and still have ads :) |
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| 06:27.41 | SAiF | Question: powervrsgx530 on neo 900? |
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| 06:35.29 | xkr47 | well, I perceived it as "radio off" mode, but obviously it's really offline now :) |
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| 09:00.15 | jonwil | hmmm, I wonder if the Neo900 software discussion should go on wiki.maemo.org or if it should go somewhere else... |
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| 09:09.18 | ShadowJK | hates discussions on wikis, and hates collections of information and instructions on forums |
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| 10:20.07 | jonwil | well I was talking about information i.e. dbus etc |
| 10:20.11 | jonwil | so not discussion per se |
| 10:20.13 | jonwil | but info |
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| 11:11.18 | Sicelo | xkr47: you can use dbus to shutdown only modem/radio |
| 11:11.41 | Sicelo | quick way is to use MohammadAG's phone-control package |
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| 15:13.01 | sixwheeledbeast | agrees with ShadowJK |
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| 15:37.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 15:37.25 | Sicelo | hmm |
| 15:37.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can have a limited amount of discussion on the "discussion" aka "talk" page associated to every wiki main page |
| 15:38.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | but generally you use wiki to collect factoids and data, while you use mail or forum (tmo) for discussion about that very wiki page |
| 15:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm sb highlighted me? |
| 15:40.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no idea about latest news regarding unlock device-lock |
| 15:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | what I know however is that gnu-utils fail with the original instruction how to grep the devicelock hash from dev/mtd1 |
| 15:43.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): |
| 15:43.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | root:Übereinstimmungen in Binärdatei /dev/mtd1.: |
| 15:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# echo root:$(busybox grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): |
| 15:43.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | root:OybLWXCdkad.E: |
| 15:44.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# which grep |
| 15:44.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/gnu/grep |
| 15:45.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, neither nox nor qwerty123 around |
| 15:48.49 | sixwheeledbeast | IMO the discussion part of the wiki is more for notes and should be signed "~~~". If a "discussion" is required a link to a TMO page should be provided in the Talk page of the wiki instead. |
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| 15:52.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | epic: [2013-09-12 16:37:45] <Sculptor> sipping coke and eating corn flips [2013-09-12 16:38:27] <prog> sniffing coke and watching porn clips? |
| 15:53.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: absolutely! |
| 15:56.19 | sixwheeledbeast | Any reason why you have posted your lock code hash o.O |
| 15:58.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | try to john it! ;-P |
| 15:58.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...while a giggle |
| 15:59.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ a / I / |
| 16:01.24 | sixwheeledbeast | I would have but I removed john when I cracked all my/my friends lockcodes :) |
| 16:02.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be surprised it *that* hash actually could get cracked at all, and I'd be more than just curious about the clear text password it finds for that hash |
| 16:03.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | then OTOH I wouldn't mind you finding out about my device lockcode |
| 16:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's actually unset anyway |
| 16:04.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and probably the hash above been hash for the default "12345" |
| 16:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | before I censored it ;-) |
| 16:06.33 | kerio | by the way |
| 16:06.40 | kerio | can't we get shadow passwords like any real linux distro? |
| 16:06.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, in theory yes |
| 16:07.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | "like a real multi-user linux" you meant |
| 16:07.53 | sixwheeledbeast | It's a shame these lockcodes aren't alpha-numeric john would take a lifetime to calculate. |
| 16:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't matter |
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| 16:08.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you can read out lockcode hash, you have full (root) access to device already |
| 16:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: first problem: messybox doesn't support shadow |
| 16:12.03 | kerio | isn't it just a matter of libc? |
| 16:12.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik nope |
| 16:12.11 | jonwil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Closed_Packages |
| 16:12.25 | jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1373878&postcount=20 |
| 16:12.51 | jonwil | so now we have a place to start collecting more info on what to do with the various closed packages going forward |
| 16:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: great! :-D |
| 16:13.29 | sixwheeledbeast | yes I suppose. I was thinking from a stolen device perspective. |
| 16:13.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | stolen device has no access to dev/mtd1 |
| 16:14.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you use rescueOS, and thenm you don't need lockcode anymore |
| 16:14.29 | jonwil | Feel free to read what I put and provide your own thoughts (editing the wiki page or posting in the tmo thread) |
| 16:14.47 | kerio | stolen device has every access to everything |
| 16:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the way! |
| 16:14.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks jonwil! |
| 16:16.16 | jonwil | likely there are others who know more about the intended hardware architecture of the Neo900 (and the hardware architecture of the GTA04) than I do and can identify for example if the USB stack is different (requiring us to clone/replace the USB status bar widget) or if its close enough that differences can be handled in kernel or other lower-level open bits |
| 16:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I will check |
| 16:16.52 | jonwil | or for example just how different the camera system will be (and therefore which bits of the camera system we need to replace) |
| 16:17.01 | jonwil | or whatever |
| 16:17.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | for USB the differences as seen in userland are negligible |
| 16:17.11 | jonwil | anyhow, I have done what I can at this point re that list |
| 16:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! :-) |
| 16:17.36 | jonwil | will neo900 support OTG/host mode? |
| 16:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | has to run |
| 16:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
| 16:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: yes, natively, like beagleboard |
| 16:18.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | even with proper AB-receptacle |
| 16:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | should work OOTB with mainline kernel |
| 16:18.40 | jonwil | see, that might mean that replacing the USB status bar widget is necessary so as to support host mode in it too :) |
| 16:18.52 | jonwil | just for one example of why we need to examine that list and figure stuff out :) |
| 16:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 16:19.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | just that current USB widget doesn't support any hostmode at all |
| 16:19.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
| 16:20.08 | kerio | does the gta04 have usb otg? or some more proper host mode |
| 16:20.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | OTG |
| 16:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | see the very fine manual! |
| 16:21.08 | kerio | well, we don't even need UI for that, do we |
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| 16:41.18 | jase21 | Hi, is there any way to know user account creation time? |
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| 16:53.21 | sledges | a long shot: ls -ld /home/ |
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| 17:00.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -ld $HOME ? |
| 17:00.26 | sledges | wouldn't that show the date of the last modified file under $HOME/* |
| 17:00.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | with -d? |
| 17:00.42 | sledges | yes |
| 17:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | try it! |
| 17:00.51 | sledges | the parent directory date inherits the change |
| 17:01.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh well |
| 17:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're probably right |
| 17:01.17 | sledges | tried :) |
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| 17:20.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ Woody14619 |
| 17:21.07 | Woody14619 | Hello :) |
| 17:21.20 | Woody14619 | Interesting: Cannot join ##maemo-admin (Channel is invite only). |
| 17:21.45 | Woody14619 | Changing authentication again? |
| 17:22.45 | ashley | Woody14619: try /cs invite ##maemo-admin |
| 17:23.14 | ashley | (you need to invite yourself to the channel, apparently, if you don't have +I set for your IP or cloak) |
| 17:24.22 | Woody14619 | 28-29ChanServ28- You are not authorized to perform this operation |
| 17:27.02 | Woody14619 | Could just be a I need to reauth. Been on a while. I need to reboot the PC in a minute anyway after MS installs it's crapware/updates. :P |
| 17:27.36 | Woody14619 | Ugh... 7 of 23? This is going to take a while. |
| 17:27.47 | thedead1440 | Woody14619: indeed; reauth your nick and you should be able to get in. |
| 17:27.55 | ashley | only 23? ;-) |
| 17:28.24 | ashley | I had a laptop that I hadn't used for a few months and when I had to boot it up a while ago, it ended up installing like 50 updates |
| 17:30.04 | Woody14619 | How I know Winblows has been improving: It's been running almost 3 weeks solid w/o a reboot. Only ~200 more to almost be a viable server OS! :P |
| 17:31.10 | Woody14619 | Sigh.. 13 of 23. Right, time to get coffee. :P BBL. |
| 17:31.14 | ashley | three /weeks/? consider me impressed -- I'm lucky if mine doesn't overheat when I try to play games from the 90s ;-) (it's not completely Windows' fault, but eh, still) |
| 17:33.05 | Woody14619 | Win7 is actually pretty usable... Have to say, best thing since 98 in my book. But then that's like comparing apples and jumbo-jets. xD |
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| 17:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: you need to be authenticated |
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| 17:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-09-12 19:48:05] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : Sep 09 07:18:29 2013 (3 days, 10:29:36 ago) |
| 17:53.28 | Woody14619 | odd... Time to reboot. :) |
| 18:00.27 | marcdeop | sixwheeledbeast: I'm gonna check it out |
| 18:00.45 | sixwheeledbeast | k |
| 18:02.34 | marcdeop | (sorry for the late response, I didn't open the chat client until now) |
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| 18:10.58 | marcdeop | I'm not sure I have that repo enabled |
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| 18:18.19 | marcdeop | sixwheeledbeast: how do I enable that repo? :S |
| 18:19.16 | sixwheeledbeast | please pastebin your Catalogues from HAM |
| 18:20.19 | marcdeop | http://pastebin.com/iG9iBkg6 |
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| 18:24.20 | marcdeop | if you give me the repository address, I'll add it myself :-) |
| 18:25.25 | sixwheeledbeast | marcdeop: you are missing the stock nokia SSU repo also extras-testing is best to be disabled after use. |
| 18:26.35 | marcdeop | can you provide me the repository adress? |
| 18:27.16 | marcdeop | is this it? https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps |
| 18:27.54 | sixwheeledbeast | no thats the apps one. |
| 18:29.17 | sixwheeledbeast | "https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/203" for me, but possibly because I am on UK variant |
| 18:29.20 | marcdeop | it doesn't really matter, it gives me Access Denied |
| 18:30.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | should be in base repo. Change your N900 system date to 2011 |
| 18:30.18 | marcdeop | DocScrutinizer05: what would that make? |
| 18:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | fix the damn "key expired" issue Nokia so brilliantly introduced with their repo |
| 18:30.57 | mashina | you can flash (like i did) too |
| 18:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | stoh into the blue, maybe it works, maybe not |
| 18:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | shot* |
| 18:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/b8754767ab |
| 18:33.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/libpcre3/6.7-1osso1+r1/ no damn .deb |
| 18:34.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/p/pcre3/libpcre3_6.7-1osso1+r1_armel.deb |
| 18:34.42 | marcdeop | W: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages The requested URL returned error: 404 |
| 18:34.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/libpcre3/6.7-1osso1+r1/ |
| 18:34.59 | sixwheeledbeast | marcdeop: you will be rejected on a web browser |
| 18:35.08 | marcdeop | that's from "apt-get update" |
| 18:35.16 | marcdeop | I installed through dpkg -i |
| 18:35.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | downloads.maemo.nokia.com :-S |
| 18:35.38 | marcdeop | and now I can install syncevolution |
| 18:35.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | they're going to scrap the maemo repos, eh? |
| 18:35.54 | marcdeop | still... how on earth could I enable the proper repo? |
| 18:36.11 | marcdeop | well... nokia is not Microsoft, isn't it? |
| 18:36.34 | marcdeop | s/not/now |
| 18:36.50 | sixwheeledbeast | I can download from the Nokia SSU repo fine here. |
| 18:36.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/libpcre3/6.7-1osso1+r1/ |
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| 18:37.43 | sixwheeledbeast | Even with expiredkeys it just asks you are you sure again |
| 18:37.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 18:39.17 | sixwheeledbeast | if you have added the correct repo and distribution sections in HAM, it should have worked fine with "apt-get install syncevo*" |
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| 18:39.41 | sixwheeledbeast | distribution is "./" FWIW |
| 18:40.10 | marcdeop | sixwheeledbeast: that I did not have |
| 18:41.44 | sixwheeledbeast | wonders why the Nokia SSU and Nokia Apps was missing in the first place... |
| 18:42.02 | sixwheeledbeast | I can't delete them from HAM on my device. |
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| 18:42.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | WOW, that's what I call a flat battery: 3 times dim red flashing, then it went into steady amber emergency charge |
| 18:43.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | before it booted to charging mode after 20s |
| 18:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 3 dim short flashes though are the interesting bit |
| 18:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | bq24150 battery-present test failed |
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| 18:44.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably the gracious donor should have removed battery before sending the device ;-) |
| 18:45.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I'm amazed it charges at all, now |
| 18:45.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | marks the battery with a huge "?" |
| 18:47.01 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbatrecover |
| 18:47.01 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover |
| 18:47.04 | sixwheeledbeast | ? |
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| 18:54.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:55.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've never seen flatbat steady amber last longer than max 60s |
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| 19:05.41 | brolin_empey | freemangordon: Pali: Have you seen https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=7070&group_id=1528&atid=5523 and https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=7071&group_id=1528&atid=5523 ? |
| 19:06.18 | Pali | no |
| 19:06.49 | Pali | will look at it |
| 19:07.25 | brolin_empey | Pali: Seriously? I submitted both of them almost 1 month ago. :/ |
| 19:07.45 | Pali | I did not get any email notification |
| 19:08.01 | Pali | freemangordon: garage email notifications not working |
| 19:08.25 | Pali | and I cannot find download button for file dm9601_backport_all_product_entries_added_to_mainline_kernel_as_of_2013-08-15.patch |
| 19:11.26 | brolin_empey | Pali: OK. Please include my 2 patches in the next kernel-power release. |
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| 19:11.40 | Pali | I cannot download them |
| 19:12.16 | Pali | garage is broken |
| 19:12.22 | Pali | I cannot download patches |
| 19:12.23 | freemangordon | :( |
| 19:12.28 | Pali | download buttons missing |
| 19:12.47 | brolin_empey | Pali: Are you logged into https://garage.maemo.org/ ? |
| 19:12.52 | Pali | yes |
| 19:12.59 | Pali | I can close bug |
| 19:13.13 | Pali | and change subject |
| 19:13.16 | Pali | and other options |
| 19:13.23 | Pali | but not download that file |
| 19:14.37 | freemangordon | "No Files Currently Attached" |
| 19:14.51 | freemangordon | "File Added983: dm9601_backport_all_product_entries_added_to_mainline_kernel_as_of_2013-08-15.patch" |
| 19:17.56 | freemangordon | brolin_empey: send those via e-mail, we might not be able to fix garage soon |
| 19:18.43 | marcdeop | by the way sixwheeledbeast and DocScrutinizer05: http://pastebin.com/G6Pe1UEk |
| 19:19.58 | sixwheeledbeast | yep that looks good now. obviously normal warnings on extras-devel content. |
| 19:22.28 | marcdeop | that's alright ;-) |
| 19:22.33 | marcdeop | I need it to install syncevolution |
| 19:22.44 | marcdeop | otherwise can't sync my webdav/caldav |
| 19:22.53 | marcdeop | it's failing anyway :( |
| 19:23.31 | marcdeop | sixwheeledbeast: it was obviously a mistake on my side ;-) |
| 19:24.30 | sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg |
| 19:24.30 | infobot | i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 19:25.36 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: seems another packages stuck in devel |
| 19:27.12 | wnd | Not intending to hijack the conversation, but what's the deal with gtalk/telepathy stopping to work every now and then? I can't remember what I had to do the last time to fix it or if it just started to work on its own. All I do remember is that it didn't work for at least for a couple of weeks. |
| 19:28.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it starts with "g" - not my business ;-D |
| 19:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | gmail, gtalk, gconf |
| 19:42.37 | brolin_empey | freemangordon: Pali: Please see the comment I posted on both of the issues. |
| 19:46.50 | Pali | ok |
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| 20:00.36 | Pali | brolin_empey: patches looks ok, only adding new usb ids, this could be safe |
| 20:00.54 | Pali | I will test if kernel working and then push changes to kernel-power garage git |
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| 20:04.22 | brolin_empey | Pali: OK, thank you. |
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| 20:28.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: thank you for adding those ethernet peripherals to the list of supported USB devices |
| 20:31.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I think somebody close to Linus has to put on his hat, stomp his rod, and announce that *all* kernel usb driver modules need to support ID= parameter |
| 20:32.04 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: On n900 I'm using usb ethernet adapter mcs7830.ko with 802.1X authentification via wpa_supplicant :D |
| 20:32.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I had same friggin problem et least 5 times so far, with all sorts of USB devices |
| 20:32.47 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: how you want to identify usb device if not via usb ID? |
| 20:32.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | always going to binary-patch the *.ko sucks donkeyballs |
| 20:33.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: eh? |
| 20:33.18 | Pali | you need ID param |
| 20:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course via USB ID |
| 20:33.29 | Pali | otherwise you do not want which driver to use |
| 20:33.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you completely missed my point, I think |
| 20:33.45 | Pali | so? |
| 20:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | modprobe acme |
| 20:34.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel acme: USB ID aaaa:bbbb not found |
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| 20:34.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | modprobe acme ID=aaaf:bbbb |
| 20:34.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel acme: detecte3d acme controller at bus 1:2 |
| 20:35.23 | Pali | hm... |
| 20:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | so far I always had to binary-patch aaaa to aaaf in acme.ko |
| 20:35.50 | Pali | this is not enough, because drivers has some "data" for usb ids |
| 20:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey's patches are all the same issue |
| 20:36.03 | Pali | as part of platform_driver structure |
| 20:36.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I don't see that |
| 20:36.27 | Pali | but right, for similar patch there should be easy way... |
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| 20:36.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I patched acme.ko from 0xaaaa to 0xaaaf and it worked |
| 20:37.26 | Pali | data are needed only for some drivers and sometimes "data" structure is same for set of devices |
| 20:37.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's my point |
| 20:38.04 | Pali | there should be way to force kernel to register usb device (with data) to usb driver via sysfs |
| 20:38.10 | Pali | i2c bus has this support |
| 20:38.15 | Pali | via sysfs |
| 20:38.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | when same chip using different USB manuf:product ID, then why the heck can't I tell driver about that change when I already know it |
| 20:38.58 | ShadowJK | Stuff likr davicom drivers have lists of hundreds of usb IDs anyways. What usually happens is random manufacturer decides to make a davicom device, buys the chips, put them on a board, and add a random ID so that user is forced to use the driver they supply, instead of using a competitor's driver. |
| 20:39.12 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: really it is not possible to do via sysfs? |
| 20:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: exactly |
| 20:39.44 | ShadowJK | (then when people discover that manufacturer's device is broken, the IDs are changed yet again so people think they fixed it) |
| 20:39.54 | Pali | I know that it is possible to force some i2c device to connect to some i2c driver |
| 20:40.52 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: You are welcome. |
| 20:41.07 | Pali | I used that to connect i2c temperature sensor found on nvidia graphics card when proprietary nvidia driver did not registered sensor itself |
| 20:41.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | USB drivers basically do a lsusb and search for the manuf:product tuple |
| 20:41.38 | Pali | and it worked without problem |
| 20:41.47 | Pali | until I turned off X server |
| 20:42.23 | Pali | nvidia has fucking drivers: for kernel i2c access you must start X server |
| 20:42.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | if the manuf:prod doesn't match what the fsckng driver has hardcoded in ints guts, it refuses to servie that device |
| 20:43.08 | Pali | this is the most stupid thing which I have ever seen. |
| 20:43.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | check brolin_empey's patches (I didn't since I think I know almost to the char what they provide) |
| 20:44.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | what I demand is a way to "patch" that list of known manuf:prod at kernel module load time |
| 20:44.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | via kernel cmdline parameter |
| 20:44.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/kernel/module/ |
| 20:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | modprobe acme ID=aaaf:bbbb |
| 20:45.26 | Pali | you can try to explain this to usb subsystem maintainer (Greg K-H) |
| 20:45.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeew |
| 20:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | though K-H seems to be a cute guy |
| 20:45.50 | Pali | I bet that he reject it :D |
| 20:46.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet I have some days real fun then |
| 20:46.27 | Pali | I remember how he closed all usb bugs in bugzilla |
| 20:46.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll publish an auto-binpatcher for kernel module ID lists |
| 20:46.55 | Pali | reason: rather report bugs to ML, bugzilla is not how I want to read bugs... |
| 20:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | integrated into modprobe X-P |
| 20:47.05 | Pali | :D |
| 20:47.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, a wrapper kernel module |
| 20:48.12 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: you can use ksplice :-) and patch ids in live kernel too |
| 20:48.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | that takes the fsckng usb kernel module and the ID to patch in, as parameters |
| 20:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | does ksplice work for all platforms now? FOSS? |
| 20:49.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | last I checked I seem to recall it was some connercial crap that wasn't working at least on ARM |
| 20:49.33 | Pali | I think ksplice working only for x86 |
| 20:49.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 20:49.46 | Pali | but it is open source |
| 20:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 20:49.53 | Pali | maybe new versions are closed... |
| 20:49.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, it's useless |
| 20:49.58 | Pali | but old version worked |
| 20:50.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | no x86 in my phone, EVAAARRRR |
| 20:50.22 | Pali | and was fully open source |
| 20:50.22 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: just emulate x86, jeez |
| 20:50.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 20:50.37 | Pali | :D:D |
| 20:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | vmware? |
| 20:50.47 | Pali | qemu |
| 20:50.51 | kerio | kvm, surely |
| 20:51.01 | kerio | wait, does that do translation? |
| 20:51.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | XEN |
| 20:51.03 | Pali | kvm is only for 64bit arm |
| 20:51.10 | kerio | k |
| 20:51.13 | kerio | then qemu, i guess |
| 20:51.23 | dos1 | vmware working on system running on qemu running on system running on xen |
| 20:51.33 | kerio | nah, vmware is closed |
| 20:51.41 | dos1 | to take advantage of each of those platforms |
| 20:51.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sure I seen vmware for N810 |
| 20:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | but they never shipped it |
| 20:51.57 | kerio | was it virtualbox maybe? |
| 20:52.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr N800? |
| 20:52.00 | kerio | oh |
| 20:52.02 | Pali | vmware is unconfigurable crap with eats all of ram |
| 20:52.10 | Pali | it was qemu image :-) |
| 20:52.20 | Pali | I have it somewhere... |
| 20:52.40 | Pali | there are both n800 and n810 |
| 20:52.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | summons his bookmark magic |
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| 20:53.31 | Pali | google for Marcin Juszkiewicz Nokia N800 emulation |
| 20:53.38 | Pali | and Nokia N8x0 emulation part II |
| 20:53.45 | Pali | and Emulating a Nokia N800 with QEMU |
| 20:54.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-dnSQ |
| 20:54.24 | Pali | and you need mtd generator from: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky/plain/scripts/poky-nokia800-flashutil?h=elroy |
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| 20:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonder why the heck VMWare never came up with it |
| 20:57.47 | kerio | because it was probably a piece of shit |
| 20:58.09 | Pali | because it was *vmware*! |
| 20:58.49 | kerio | virtualbox has oracle logos all over |
| 20:58.57 | kerio | which makes me really uncomfortable in using it |
| 20:58.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | burrps and wonders if there's a real live out there, at this domain >2m away from this PC |
| 21:00.57 | Pali | this is reason why I do not trust virtualbox --> it is oracle product |
| 21:01.24 | kerio | it's opensource |
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| 21:03.18 | Pali | kerio: but controlled by oracle |
| 21:03.58 | Pali | like openoffice, mysql, java, ksplice... |
| 21:04.17 | Pali | look what happened with all these products... |
| 21:04.26 | kerio | well they just bought ksplice, didn't they |
| 21:04.37 | kerio | it used to be a startup |
| 21:05.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | what happened to all those products: all the FOSS devels got pissed, while oracle hoped to improve their image by supporting the project? |
| 21:05.13 | Pali | yes, they bought all those projects |
| 21:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe it was just that oracle needed some decent working software and didn't want to foss-share the improvements they implement for their cistomers |
| 21:07.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the foss community got pissed and abandoned the project, and oracle been left behind with their codedrop |
| 21:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | remind me, how started starwriter? (pre-staroffice? pre-pre-openoffice?) |
| 21:08.43 | Pali | staroffice? |
| 21:08.48 | Pali | I really do not remember |
| 21:09.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall some geek stashing packages with floppies on his stairs in his house |
| 21:10.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Marco Börries |
| 21:10.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Star Division |
| 21:11.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarWriter_(word_processor) |
| 21:12.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | "The German company StarDivision in Lüneburg (founded by 16-year-old Marco Börries in 1984)..." |
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| 21:15.43 | lardman | evening all :) |
| 21:15.51 | lardman | thp: ping |
| 21:17.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I used starwriter on CPC6128 back in the early 80s |
| 21:17.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | mid 80s, ok |
| 21:17.51 | lardman | hi Doc |
| 21:23.59 | lardman | thp: I'll ask in #pyside |
| 21:25.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi lardman, long time no see :-9 |
| 21:26.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | got to leave, some new N900 owner and future Neo900 owner asked for a personal interview ;-) |
| 21:26.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the pub next door |
| 21:27.53 | lardman | hey DocScrutinizer05, yeah sorry has been busy, will have to catch up |
| 21:28.00 | lardman | enjoy the pub! :) |
| 21:29.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | will do |
| 21:30.43 | lardman | will try to make sure he's back online next week |
| 21:33.29 | thp | lardman: pong |
| 21:35.37 | lardman | hey thp |
| 21:35.48 | lardman | I wanted to ask about pyside under Android |
| 21:37.28 | lardman | not sure whether this is now in the past for you - I see your recommendation to look at M4rtinK's page (who just quit, who'd have thought ;)) |
| 21:38.17 | lardman | I'm interested in a python 3.x (3) version, and was wondering if there's a reason no-one's produced one yet |
| 21:39.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe lack of intwerest? |
| 21:39.31 | lardman | hey, you should be concentrating on the bar! |
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| 21:39.55 | lardman | but yeah, perhaps, I just wanted to see whether I'd be wasting my time/work out what I'm getting into |
| 21:40.35 | lardman | I've decided to move from MATLAB to Python at work, and it would be good to be able to run the same(ish) code on my desktop and Android tablet |
| 21:41.58 | sixwheeledbeast | It seems Doc has left his ~2 of workstation... |
| 21:43.06 | lardman | he's probably trying to decide which local ale to buy :) |
| 21:43.40 | kerio | lardman: compile python, run python |
| 21:43.42 | kerio | i guess |
| 21:44.21 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm, I fancy a beer but must resist until tomorrow |
| 21:45.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | sixwheeledbeast: indeed |
| 21:47.08 | sixwheeledbeast | No need to wonder any more ;) |
| 21:49.21 | lardman | kerio: yeah, but you have to cross-compile for Android anyway, and not sure re pyside |
| 21:49.47 | lardman | I'm hopeful that's the case though, in which case I'll crack on |
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| 22:10.31 | HtheB | ~seen robbiethe1st |
| 22:10.38 | infobot | robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-52-17-221.cral.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 20h 6m 45s ago, saying: 'I haven't used it myself, but I know a number of people who use cssu with backupmenu; backupmenu works at a very low level'. |
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| 22:31.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | hah, beer and internet, nice |
| 22:34.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | sid wants to help with FPTF |
| 22:34.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | after 4 years of maemo abstinence, he got fed up with anything less |
| 22:35.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 22:35.04 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 23:00.35 | HtheB_ | hey aap |
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| 23:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | great, they're killing us here, with dioxin and vinyl cloride |
| 23:18.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | searches for his gas mask |
| 23:19.29 | HtheB_ | DocScrutinizer05: just admit it, you just farted |
| 23:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://leitstelle-nuernberg.de/einsaetze-stadt-nuernberg/2488-großbrand-in-nürnberger-industriegebiet.html |
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| 23:28.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's annoying that 6h after the fire started, you still think you may suffocate when you open the window |
| 23:29.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | lots of plastic and other shit burning, furniture warehouse |
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| 23:30.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even filtering the air through cigarettes helps |
| 23:31.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | they informed the residents VIA RADIO BROADCAST not to leave their homes and keep windows closed. *great* |
| 23:32.16 | nox- | :( |
| 23:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like "duck and cover", and "watch the public blackboard at your local market place!" |
| 23:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.nordbayern.de/nuernberger-nachrichten |
| 23:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | "30,000 telephones burning" EH? |
| 23:41.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | not furniture, forwarding agency |
| 23:42.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | the phones are for landline ;-P |
| 23:43.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks sufficient amonts of orange juice deluted with vodka might help to remedy the toxic fumes |
| 23:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo hot is <reply> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373878#post1373878 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373762#post1373762 |
| 23:47.50 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
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