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| 00:27.39 | M4rtinK | BTW, new modRana version is out ! :) |
| 00:28.11 | M4rtinK | for more info see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1373533&postcount=1445 |
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| 01:41.38 | DrCode | hi al |
| 01:41.44 | DrCode | how can I install backupmenu? |
| 01:42.13 | DrCode | I want to backup my phone before I send it to repair, so I can restore it back easly |
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| 01:44.51 | robbiethe1st | apt-get install backupmenu? |
| 01:45.02 | robbiethe1st | It's in the repo |
| 01:45.56 | DrCode | I tryeid |
| 01:46.00 | DrCode | I have cssu |
| 01:46.09 | DrCode | it can't find it |
| 01:47.02 | robbiethe1st | Does cssu disable the regular extras-testing repo? |
| 01:47.59 | robbiethe1st | also, send it in for repair? |
| 01:48.00 | robbiethe1st | to who? |
| 01:48.05 | robbiethe1st | and what's wrong with it? |
| 01:52.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | kow's about apt-get update ? |
| 01:52.19 | robbiethe1st | I know Nokia doesn't repair N900s anymore, usually... they'll give you a newer replacement phone, last I knew. |
| 01:52.31 | DrCode | no |
| 01:52.44 | DrCode | its not nokia , its a chaines like |
| 01:52.48 | DrCode | yes |
| 01:52.53 | DrCode | thats what thay said |
| 01:53.08 | DrCode | bcz that I need to backu pmy phone |
| 01:53.21 | DrCode | any idea? can I install it manualy? |
| 01:53.27 | robbiethe1st | So, make sure the repo is installed, and try apt-get install backupmenu |
| 01:54.04 | robbiethe1st | repo list is in /etc/apt/sources*.list files |
| 01:54.13 | DrCode | ok |
| 01:54.23 | DrCode | what do I need to add there? |
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| 01:54.47 | robbiethe1st | Um, what do you have in it? |
| 02:00.31 | DrCode | I don't have myphone near |
| 02:00.32 | DrCode | what repos is recommanded to use? |
| 02:02.09 | robbiethe1st | Um, I know backupmenu is in extras-devel, pretty sure it's in extras-testing |
| 02:02.45 | DrCode | is it recommanded to use cssu? |
| 02:03.04 | robbiethe1st | Uh, I don't know. |
| 02:03.07 | DrCode | mybe I am doing somthing wrong |
| 02:03.11 | robbiethe1st | Recommended by whom? |
| 02:03.24 | robbiethe1st | Cssu is the community improved version of maemo 5 |
| 02:03.53 | robbiethe1st | I haven't used it myself, but I know a number of people who use cssu with backupmenu; backupmenu works at a very low level |
| 02:05.19 | DrCode | ok |
| 02:05.21 | DrCode | thankyou |
| 02:05.29 | DrCode | I will check it, mybe I have install wrong cssu |
| 02:07.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get update |
| 02:08.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually, install extras-devel |
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| 02:08.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | click on installfile in browser |
| 02:09.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. this one: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install |
| 02:10.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | editing the files is a poor idea |
| 02:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | but if you absolutely want to do it: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/etc/apt/ and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/etc/hildon-application-manager/ |
| 02:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders how you could install wrong CSSU |
| 02:36.37 | ds_shadof | how to make pidgin not to open instantly new messages when they arrive? |
| 02:42.40 | Kilroo | I feel like I've gone from depressingly few options to too many in short order. |
| 02:44.12 | Kilroo | Before, I was frustrated with how few options seemed worth getting to replace my n900 and with how dated it was starting to feel. Now, I'm excited about the Jolla, excited about the Neo900, and somehow I've become more tempted than I ever was before to try out an N10. |
| 02:44.42 | Kilroo | ...Possibly due to discovering that during the time I've been considering it not to be an option the price for an n9 has like...thirded. |
| 02:45.48 | Kilroo | I'm still a little hesitant about a capacitive screen on a phone, though. |
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| 03:51.35 | jonwil | hmmm, where would be the best place to put Neo900 wiki pages and info? |
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| 03:59.07 | Kilroo | My mother knew a couple guys when she was young named John and Bill Will. |
| 03:59.44 | Kilroo | However, while your screenname reminded me of that fact, I have no useful answer to your question. |
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| 04:11.28 | DrCode | hi |
| 04:11.45 | DrCode | how can I had .install from command line? |
| 04:11.46 | DrCode | I mean from terminal |
| 04:16.19 | Wulfe | heh |
| 04:16.24 | Wulfe | DocScrutinizer05 |
| 04:16.26 | DrCode | hi |
| 04:16.37 | Wulfe | seems the news on your guys project is spreading |
| 04:16.38 | DrCode | can I had .install file from commande line? |
| 04:16.40 | Wulfe | https://pay.reddit.com/r/Neo900/comments/1lokb5/introducing_the_neo900_project_the_first_true/ |
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| 04:42.54 | Kilroo | I'm mildly amused by the reddit comment about DOA with only 512 RAM. |
| 04:45.56 | Kilroo | If it were meant to be an iPhone-killer, or even an Android mid-market competitor, I'd agree, but as I understand it the Neo900 isn't really trying to make a commercial killing. It's trying to give a certain subset of diehard openmoko and n900 fans something enough better to be worth it...to them, not to the general public. |
| 04:46.49 | Kilroo | Anyhow, I'm off to bed. Sleepy enough I'll start (keep) rambling pointlessly otherwise. |
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| 07:07.55 | DrCode | ok |
| 07:08.10 | DrCode | I have send my phone back |
| 07:08.11 | DrCode | I alredy missing my n900 |
| 07:08.56 | kerio | maemo fremantle with 512mb of ram is going to be so fucking good |
| 07:09.20 | DrCode | when I get a new phone , should I use orginal flash? or better to install global flash (is there hebrew support?) |
| 07:09.34 | DrCode | what repostory should I have in /etc/apt/sourcer.list.d/? |
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| 07:15.56 | kerio | always use global |
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| 08:38.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kilroo: absolutely |
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| 08:40.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kilroo: some (reddit) comments are DOA, commenting and arguing about stuff that already been *) discussed *) explained *) even altered sometimes |
| 08:42.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I should change the specs from "min 512MB RAM" to "min 4Mb RAM" ;-P |
| 08:44.02 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: silly idea: extra ram as mmc, for swap |
| 08:44.20 | dos11 | DocScrutinizer05: I suppose you meant 4Gb :) |
| 08:44.31 | ShadowJK | kerio, that seems silly |
| 08:44.42 | kerio | i know |
| 08:45.05 | kerio | well, silly in what way? |
| 08:45.23 | ShadowJK | Unless you mean circumventing the max ram size limit (and availability) of omap3 by creating a new peripheral which contains ram and talks through sd/mmc |
| 08:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yeah |
| 08:45.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4Gb |
| 08:45.40 | kerio | ShadowJK: i mean that |
| 08:45.51 | ShadowJK | Oh I thought you meant swap on ramdisk. |
| 08:46.12 | kerio | 512mb of real ram, and then some more ram |
| 08:46.22 | kerio | it's going to be slower, but it's going to be used as swap anyway |
| 08:46.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: PLEASE!!! read the thread, it's exactly what I wrote there, even pointed to chips' datasheets which I am about to evaluate |
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| 08:46.49 | kerio | yay |
| 08:46.51 | ShadowJK | Would love ram-on-SD, for my N800. |
| 08:46.56 | dos1 | kerio: isn't that what is already proposed? (damn, too slow :P) |
| 08:47.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: also, figure Fremantle on 512MB RAM backed up by 1GB NAND |
| 08:48.05 | kerio | 1gb nand for... rootfs? |
| 08:48.19 | dos1 | for swap |
| 08:48.28 | kerio | oic |
| 08:48.41 | kerio | ...but we don't need to store the swap :s |
| 08:48.48 | kerio | like, long-term storage |
| 08:49.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'm *constantly* improving, beautifying and augmenting the post#1 on |
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| 08:49.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 |
| 08:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's maybe worth having a new look at it every now and then |
| 08:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | a lot of embedded links to other posts in thread |
| 08:50.37 | kerio | HDMI on dual-purpose USB receptacle |
| 08:50.42 | kerio | ooh, how does that work? |
| 08:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | cancelled |
| 08:50.50 | kerio | i mean in general |
| 08:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | OMAP3 doesn't support HDMI |
| 08:51.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | 10pin USB |
| 08:51.37 | kerio | neat |
| 08:52.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has 5 additional pins at a location that doesn't interfere with "normal2 plugs |
| 08:52.22 | kerio | yeah, i saw pics |
| 08:52.27 | kerio | is that doable with microusb too? |
| 08:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's reality it seems |
| 08:52.57 | divVerent | stupid question... is RAM still so expensive? As in, why do even today mobile phones with Android get shipped with as little as 256M? |
| 08:53.02 | divVerent | (the cheap ones do) |
| 08:53.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I don't like the idea too much |
| 08:53.17 | divVerent | what does 1G cost in the typical form you need for a mobile device? |
| 08:53.27 | kerio | $very_little * 500000 is still a lot |
| 08:53.31 | dos1 | divVerent: embedded systems aren't like PCs, there's no RAM slot on them |
| 08:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | point me to a chip and i tell you ;-P |
| 08:53.52 | divVerent | or maybe... do you know price diff between the 256M the N900 uses and the 512M the new one will be using? |
| 08:54.04 | divVerent | kerio: sure, but I bet most people would pay the extra $10 if it's around that |
| 08:54.07 | kerio | when you're doing big productions (and you *are* doing big productions) even a tiny cost per-chip becomes huge in the end |
| 08:54.14 | dos1 | divVerent: RAM is integrated together with CPU and GPU cores in PoP |
| 08:54.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | see micron.com and digikey |
| 08:54.20 | divVerent | e.g. $10 extra for having Android 4 instead of 2.3... that sounds cheap :P |
| 08:54.25 | divVerent | dos1: ah, ok |
| 08:54.56 | divVerent | so more RAM may mean you can't have the same CPU and GPU any more... then driver mess |
| 08:55.11 | divVerent | if they're integrated |
| 08:55.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | there ARe NO PoPs available with 1GB RAM |
| 08:55.36 | dos1 | there are of course some variants you can choose from |
| 08:55.47 | divVerent | still, swap on SD is just a stupid idea... we need something better. SOMETHING. |
| 08:55.49 | dos1 | but for our DM3730 there is no 1GB option |
| 08:56.03 | divVerent | are there SD cards that are actually RAM, and thus very fast at single block access? |
| 08:56.08 | dos1 | memory controller supports max 512MB |
| 08:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | only inside N9, on a PoP chips that simply DOES NOT EXIST according to aunt google |
| 08:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | so how much will that chip cost? ;-P |
| 08:56.38 | divVerent | hehe |
| 08:56.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: we have 2 chips select |
| 08:56.57 | divVerent | yes, I see, hardware dependency hell... :) |
| 08:57.01 | divVerent | DLLs in IC form |
| 08:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | so a 3chip PoP MCP is feasible |
| 08:57.06 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: buy n9, desolder PoP, ???, profit! |
| 08:57.08 | ShadowJK | N900 was designed with the biggest ram available at the time it was designed, afaik |
| 08:57.20 | kerio | and by profit i mean ridiculous expenses |
| 08:57.26 | divVerent | yes, I understand now why they couldn't "just make a 512M version" :) |
| 08:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: believe it or not, exactly that I posted yesterday |
| 08:57.29 | ShadowJK | wonders what's used on beagleboard xm, and whether it's relevant |
| 08:57.31 | dos1 | divVerent: the idea for Neo900 is to use aditional RAM connected as MMC, or some other data interface |
| 08:57.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: that's silly :s |
| 08:57.46 | XATRIX | Hi, any idea why my calendar double,or triple my dates ? I mean i have 2 appointments or 3 or 4 of birthday of my friend on a current date |
| 08:57.48 | kerio | a whole N9 is bound to cost a lot more |
| 08:58.01 | kerio | XATRIX: are you syncing your calendar somehow? |
| 08:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: not entirely, they are avaolable at as little as 130EUR |
| 08:58.14 | ShadowJK | oh wait, only .5 gig. I thought it was 1g |
| 08:58.17 | XATRIX | kerio: possibly with Nokia Suite |
| 08:58.25 | XATRIX | But i have multiple IM accounts |
| 08:58.55 | dos1 | let's create our own PoP! ;) |
| 08:58.56 | XATRIX | Currently i have 2 birthday of the same guy for this day |
| 08:59.17 | XATRIX | And sounds if i only have this contact in skype account |
| 08:59.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: even that been considered by me already :-) |
| 08:59.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | piggyback PCB for on top of CPU |
| 09:00.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | make my own MCP |
| 09:00.31 | XATRIX | Any idea how to fix it ? |
| 09:00.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | PbP, Package by Package |
| 09:00.53 | dos1 | but then there's still 1GB limit. It's not future proof! |
| 09:00.59 | dos1 | let's create our own CPU :) |
| 09:01.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | OMAP7 with OMAP3 compatibility mode, yeah |
| 09:01.50 | kerio | let's build our own omap7 |
| 09:01.54 | kerio | with an omap4 and an omap3 |
| 09:02.07 | XATRIX | x86_64 ;) |
| 09:02.33 | XATRIX | Intel atom is already in lenovo K900 |
| 09:02.36 | XATRIX | use the same ;) |
| 09:03.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: I'm honestly considering to ask for closing the Neo900 thread, it is at a point of spinning in circles |
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| 09:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could answer each single new post with a link to a previous post and my answer given there |
| 09:04.33 | dos1 | yeah, noticed that too |
| 09:05.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is when threads go supernova into oblivion and noise |
| 09:05.20 | Apic | .oO(One Device to rule them all, One Device to find them, One Device to bring them all and in the Darkness bind them.) |
| 09:06.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: am I allowed to moderate my own thread? |
| 09:06.41 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: hence why i never could moderate it; too much noise in there... best thing is to keep things updated on a wiki page and let people read from there via the OP of your thread... |
| 09:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: scrap that, I don't want to |
| 09:07.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: my first post (aka #1) *is* constantly kept up to date |
| 09:07.50 | thedead1440 | yup saw that |
| 09:07.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's not in there won't be any better kept on a wiki |
| 09:08.15 | thedead1440 | if the thread is closed you won't be able to update that post too unless you got privs to do it |
| 09:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got enough privs since last weekend ;-) |
| 09:08.40 | thedead1440 | haha |
| 09:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I#m just totally reluctant to use them |
| 09:09.04 | thedead1440 | then close it and just update first post but risk the thread not being able to grab people's attention anymore once closed :D |
| 09:09.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already asked users to delete their posts, in PM |
| 09:09.57 | thedead1440 | hehe |
| 09:10.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or edit and strip [quotes] |
| 09:10.54 | thedead1440 | you have the privs to do that yourself then use it why bother PM'ng them... edit their post and leave a note (reason for editing) so they would know why it was edited |
| 09:10.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I can't do that on SOOO many of new posts that ask same question the 100th time, even on stuff that's CLEARLY written in post#1 |
| 09:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: see above. I'm no mod |
| 09:11.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm admin°Hsysop |
| 09:12.13 | thedead1440 | imagines doc becoming mod; all hell would break loose :p :D |
| 09:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | GOD when I start moderating tmo, the users kill their PC |
| 09:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and e*_ will kill me ;-P |
| 09:12.54 | thedead1440 | haha |
| 09:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't even blame him |
| 09:13.14 | thedead1440 | he would end up starting his own forum as he always threatens to :D |
| 09:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | it was an evil powergrabbing if I did |
| 09:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | 911? |
| 09:14.11 | thedead1440 | hehe |
| 09:14.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | happy birthd^Hcondolences USA |
| 09:15.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | must've been around that very time of day, eh? |
| 09:15.53 | thedead1440 | yup |
| 09:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I wouldn't mind *you* ruthlessly moderating the Neo900 thread |
| 09:19.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | (editing oter users' posts) don't ask me how many times I already clicked "edit2 instead of "quote" ;-P |
| 09:19.18 | thedead1440 | haha |
| 09:19.21 | Apic | In Europe, 911 is 112. |
| 09:19.36 | Apic | (The Phone Number ;-)) |
| 09:19.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, 9-11 |
| 09:19.41 | Apic | I know |
| 09:19.45 | Apic | Just hoarsed around. |
| 09:19.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, I know |
| 09:19.54 | jonwil | I think we need a Neo900 wiki post, particularly to discuss the software stuff |
| 09:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: ORLY? ;-D |
| 09:20.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1372730&postcount=5 |
| 09:21.16 | jonwil | :) |
| 09:21.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I think I pushed several times on IRC as well |
| 09:22.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | please consider a strcture like t.m.o/Neo900/software/OS/TFPT/CSD/dbus-api |
| 09:23.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can "mv" up later on, like mv OS/TFPT/* /OS/ |
| 09:24.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | the other way round is magnitudes harder |
| 09:24.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | have to run, sorry |
| 09:24.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
| 09:24.51 | Apic | cu |
| 09:27.48 | thedead1440 | freemangordon_: at your convenience you may want to look at this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373592#post1373592 |
| 09:28.11 | ShadowJK | has been reading up and learning about the wonders of systemd |
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| 09:43.46 | DrCode | hi all |
| 09:43.48 | DrCode | hi DocScrutinizer05 |
| 09:43.53 | DrCode | what repostory should I use |
| 09:44.04 | DrCode | I think I got lost |
| 09:44.26 | DrCode | any one can please pastbin /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 09:44.51 | DrCode | also what flash to put ? dose global have hebrew ? |
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| 09:57.49 | divVerent | BTW, just to put that right... I know Maemo would run very well with 512M. |
| 09:57.57 | divVerent | Given how it runs on the N900, and my typical swap use. |
| 09:58.10 | divVerent | I probably wouldn't need any swap if I had 300M... but 256 is just a tad too low |
| 09:58.42 | divVerent | I didn't say 512M weren |
| 09:58.57 | divVerent | 't enough, just wondered why one would still build ANY device nowadays with that little RAM. Now I know. |
| 09:59.28 | kerio | well the iphone 5s is 64-bit |
| 09:59.34 | kerio | i assume it's because they need more than 4gb of ram |
| 10:01.01 | M4rtinK | even if you don't have >4GB of RAM, there are some benefits |
| 10:01.24 | M4rtinK | for address space randomization for example |
| 10:02.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: wonders of systemd? |
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| 10:04.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | if you can't randomize addr-level in 4GB then you failed anyway |
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| 10:05.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~+status |
| 10:05.46 | infobot | Since Sat Sep 7 18:52:03 2013, there have been 3 modifications, 152 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 54 commands. I have been awake for 3d 15h 13m 43s this session, and currently reference 119129 factoids. I'm using about 23832 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 663.4/12.08 child 0/0 |
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| 10:08.26 | DrCode | hi DocScrutinizer05 |
| 10:08.43 | DrCode | I send my n900 and wait for new one |
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| 10:09.46 | DrCode | is it recommanded to use factory flash or better to install new one? I had mass up with sources.list any one can past recommanded one? |
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| 10:26.43 | divVerent | DrCode: you shouldn't mess with sources.list... |
| 10:26.59 | divVerent | but in case you did, Hildon Application Manager will restore it for you when you start it and edit sources in there |
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| 11:02.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | DrCode: click on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install |
| 11:03.31 | DrCode | DocScrutinizer05, I can delete the old repostory and use this? |
| 11:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | then in HildonApplicationManager open menu -> catalogs, click on each catalog that shows up there, and make sure you click "disable" for testing, and for tools, and for any double cataloh you may have |
| 11:03.55 | DrCode | ok |
| 11:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can evem delete catalogs you don't need |
| 11:04.08 | DrCode | what flash do U recommanded to install? |
| 11:04.23 | DrCode | to use factory flash or install by my self? |
| 11:04.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly testing, tools, and doublicates |
| 11:04.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? |
| 11:06.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | for backups you must use a micro-SD card, or store the backup to "N900" internal flash (eMMC, aka /MyDocs) and then backup/copy the complete MyDocs volume to your PC via USB mass storage |
| 11:07.03 | DrCode | ok |
| 11:07.15 | DrCode | I will have new phone, I don't mind to reflash it |
| 11:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter you want to do anyway, if you got any media files, photos or other stuff stored there |
| 11:07.30 | DrCode | if I want to have hebrew , is it recommanded global flash? |
| 11:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure about that, ask somebody who uses hebrew |
| 11:07.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: ^^^ |
| 11:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think hebrew is comprised in global firmware version |
| 11:09.14 | DrCode | ok |
| 11:09.32 | DrCode | is it recommanded to use global firmware? |
| 11:10.01 | DrCode | what steps is recommanded to reflash firmware |
| 11:10.31 | DrCode | Its a new n900 , so I don't have a problem to do it |
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| 13:37.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 13:37.22 | infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 13:38.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | since it's new, a full reflash (COMBINED and VANILLA) is recommended |
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| 13:40.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | if the device still boots fine (and you don't expect malware on rootfs that tampers with flashing mydocs data), you want to flash VANILLA, then COMBINED. If device doesn't boot or you want to make 100% sure it's clean, then: COMBINED, then VANNILLA, then COMBINED again |
| 13:42.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you suspect NOLO bootloader got compromised (*very* unlikely thing), then you might need to coldflash even |
| 13:43.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | there *are* users who patched their NOLO to not show the "NOKIA" screen obn boot |
| 13:43.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/obn/on/ |
| 13:52.09 | mashina | nokia could have used uboot but #NOLO |
| 13:53.28 | Apic | Could have had... |
| 13:53.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] due to autobuilder hiccup I had to stop the VM - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91330 https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-September/thread.html |
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| 14:01.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk for ~3h |
| 14:01.30 | RST38h | OMG, elliptic curve cryptography is said to be backdoored by NSA |
| 14:01.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ping xes or warfare regarding autobuilder resume |
| 14:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | W*T*F?!!! |
| 14:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | how? where? |
| 14:01.53 | RST38h | FIRE IN THE PANTS! |
| 14:02.04 | RST38h | https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html#c1675929 |
| 14:06.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks :-S |
| 14:06.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 14:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
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| 16:27.01 | SAiF | robbiethe1st: thanks... installing backupmenu succeeded for the first time. and It works. Thanks. |
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| 16:29.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] autobuilder fixed and resumed |
| 16:32.45 | SAiF | garage.maemo.org shows security warning.. just that you know.. |
| 16:33.18 | SAiF | in firefox.. |
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| 16:44.04 | dos1 | fun stuff goes to crowdfounding campains |
| 16:44.05 | dos1 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDAw7vW7H0c |
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| 16:44.54 | dos1 | smells like "give us the money and then we'll find if it's even possible at all" ;] |
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| 16:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | BWAHAHAHAHAARRRRHARRRRHAAAAAARRRRR |
| 16:57.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | "give us your money and then we'll find a place where *you* won't find _us_ anymore" |
| 16:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn fools |
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| 17:03.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: the problem with such stuff: clueless noobs "buy" the idea, since to them it sounds reasonable |
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| 17:03.14 | dos1 | yeah... |
| 17:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | then when somebody who actually *knows* his shit and *did* build real hardware comes to them, they go "but why doesn't it have 96GB of RAM and octocore? and BLOCs???" |
| 17:05.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | RLY!! BLOCs are *the* hot shit now! where you been living? Are you a real engineer?? |
| 17:07.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | **MY ASS!!** |
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| 17:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | for some reality check: a Lauterbach ICE probe which basically is a 7cm of multicore cable capable of 500MHz+, with a tiny matching spec'ed connector at one end and a not so tiny one at the other end: 250EUR |
| 17:10.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is a *cable* with two *connectors* |
| 17:10.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | doing same stuff on a PCB costs me ~80ct |
| 17:10.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | if at all |
| 17:12.35 | kerio | wtf is a BLOC |
| 17:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDAw7vW7H0c |
| 17:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | some fairyware |
| 17:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | or - in short and to the point: a brainfart |
| 17:14.42 | kerio | ahahah |
| 17:14.53 | kerio | that phone must be so comfortable in your pocket |
| 17:14.58 | kerio | also, it'll never break |
| 17:15.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevaaar! |
| 17:15.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...since it never started to work ;-P |
| 17:15.59 | kerio | clearly, a cpu only needs 4 pins |
| 17:16.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup!! |
| 17:16.06 | kerio | it's good enough for usb, after all |
| 17:16.35 | kerio | anyway |
| 17:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | a big hoax |
| 17:17.07 | kerio | will the neo900 have 5ghz wifi? |
| 17:17.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | check our gta04 |
| 17:17.31 | kerio | the ipad has 5ghz wifi |
| 17:17.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | we hardly will find a new WiFi module |
| 17:17.38 | dos1 | at first glance on first miliseconds i thought you asked about 5ghz cpu |
| 17:17.43 | kerio | haha |
| 17:18.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: same here ;-P |
| 17:18.22 | dos1 | yeah, 5ghz cpu seems like nice idea to consider :) |
| 17:18.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: wifi is nasty |
| 17:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | most chipsets are not built for embedded at all |
| 17:19.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | the few that are are usually not anything you could call "open", usually not even *available* in sub-million qty |
| 17:19.42 | FIQ | <dos1> at first glance on first miliseconds i thought you asked about 5ghz cpu |
| 17:19.46 | FIQ | same :D |
| 17:19.58 | jonwil | IIRC even olpc had lots of trouble finding a suitable wifi chipset |
| 17:19.59 | FIQ | not that I would *mind* 5ghz cpu, but.. yeah |
| 17:20.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: ack |
| 17:20.57 | kerio | a 5ghz cpu would make me care a lot less about the lack of 5ghz wifi |
| 17:21.07 | FIQ | kerio: :P |
| 17:21.08 | kerio | but there's overclock for that, right? |
| 17:21.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | royalties, NDAs, shitty performance, 5 mio minimum batch |
| 17:21.09 | kerio | :D |
| 17:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g we would *love* to use WL1271, like on N9 |
| 17:22.08 | dos1 | let's do kickstarter for buying 5 mio wifi chipsets |
| 17:22.25 | dos1 | every baker will get their own wifi chipset as a gift |
| 17:22.46 | dos1 | or maybe thousands of them |
| 17:22.51 | dos1 | and we'll use the rest |
| 17:22.53 | dos1 | :D |
| 17:23.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | try to get *datasheets* of WL1271. Try to find sources (to buy from) |
| 17:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can use crap that has executable blobs in userspace. Then we get the bashing, then the death of project since it has nothing to offer in the end, not even openness |
| 17:27.06 | kerio | will the neo900 offer optional liquid nitrogen cooling, for our overclocking needs? |
| 17:27.38 | dos1 | sure, why not |
| 17:28.16 | jonwil | Seems like getting anyone to talk to you about anything embedded (WiFi, bluetooth, ARM SoC with decent GPU,GSM/UMTS/LTE chips and other things) is almost impossible unless you are a known name and can commit to buying massive numbers of chips up front. |
| 17:30.40 | kerio | why would a production facility build 5000 units for you when they can get more money by building 5000000 units for samsung? |
| 17:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | nonsesne, it will work with supraconductors at room temperature, and quantum gates. It doesn't need energy to operate, basically. Only energy needed is to delete storage |
| 17:31.46 | kerio | just put in a lot of memory, no need to delete anything! |
| 17:31.48 | kerio | it's brilliant! |
| 17:31.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | see entropy energy equivalent of bit |
| 17:32.44 | dos1 | I'd put liquid nitrogen cooling anyway |
| 17:32.50 | dos1 | cause liquid nitrogen cooling is cool |
| 17:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and nice for longdrinks |
| 17:34.32 | kerio | eeh, it makes it so that you have to wait to drink them |
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| 17:36.09 | dos1 | funny |
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| 17:36.38 | jonwil | Unless these parts (SoCs, WiFi chips etc etc etc) are somehow different for each customer then the factory wont care if they are producing 5000000 units for customer x or 5005000 units for customer x and customer y (yes there might be a higher per-unit cost to deliver 5000 units as opposed to 5000000 units but they can charge more per unit to make up for the higher cost) |
| 17:36.56 | kerio | the whole point is that we want different parts |
| 17:36.57 | kerio | isn't it |
| 17:37.01 | kerio | also there's NDAs and shit |
| 17:37.04 | dos1 | broken phone which i bought to use as a bl-5j charger has some problem with screen - it shows only colorful stripes |
| 17:37.08 | kerio | so you might not be able to get the same parts |
| 17:37.20 | dos1 | but when i put a pressure in top right corner, it show's distorted Nokia logo :D |
| 17:37.25 | dos1 | -' |
| 17:37.27 | kerio | dos1: awesome |
| 17:37.42 | kerio | just put a clothespin there |
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| 17:38.16 | dos1 | I haven't managed to see anything else than heaviliy distorted blue Nokia logo on white background |
| 17:39.29 | dos1 | oh, stupid me - probably that's what is shows while charging from off |
| 17:39.30 | dos1 | :D |
| 17:46.17 | spaak | hi, i'm trying to get an xml file to work with Aard Dict. the script to convert to .aar format needs to go in /bin/bash but the folder is not there that i see. can this work on the n900? -> http://mag.lab.sh/wiki/Geekend/Hitchwiki |
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| 17:54.59 | lexik | another extras devel web assistant error: "File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again!" :-/ i will try to upload it via scp... |
| 17:55.30 | sixwheeledbeast | spaak: er? you can get bash for N900 from the repos. Or if busybox has all the functions you require change the shebang to /bin/sh. It shouldn't need to go in root. |
| 17:55.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: evidently some contact problem with FPC or LCD(-controller) |
| 17:55.47 | sixwheeledbeast | lexik: what do the builder logs say? |
| 17:57.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | curses this builder POS |
| 17:58.01 | lexik | sixwheeledbeast: where them are located? i cant upload the .tar.gz and .dsc files.. same error in Chromium, Chrome and Iceweasel |
| 17:58.59 | sixwheeledbeast | doesn't it give you a link to the logs on build, let me see.... |
| 18:00.06 | M4rtinK | I'll just note new modRana is out :) |
| 18:00.38 | M4rtinK | I've actually already announced it here, but it was at 2:30 in the morning in Europe, so some might have missed it :) |
| 18:02.00 | spaak | sixwheeledbeast: thanks, found it. will install bash4 |
| 18:02.00 | sixwheeledbeast | wtf it's like the stylesheets are missing on the assistant page. |
| 18:03.14 | sixwheeledbeast | lexik: does the web assistant page look correct to you? |
| 18:03.19 | lexik | sixwheeledbeast: here is an screenshot of it: http://i.imgur.com/sR4iO4d.png |
| 18:03.20 | lexik | no |
| 18:03.34 | sixwheeledbeast | yep same here |
| 18:04.08 | lexik | in iceweasel it looks much better, dont know why |
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| 18:05.47 | sixwheeledbeast | lexik: it's the browser. |
| 18:07.03 | sixwheeledbeast | On latest firefox you now have to allow every page each time. It's blocking content due to expired https I guess. |
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| 18:08.45 | sixwheeledbeast | can you test again? |
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| 18:11.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/11/plasma-desktopPT3743.png |
| 18:15.48 | sixwheeledbeast | Yep definitely browser blocking parts of the website. CSS files and scripts are still blocked on firefox after the "Untrusted Connection" page. You have to click on the identity box and unblock for every page every time PITA. |
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| 18:23.14 | sixwheeledbeast | is afk |
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| 18:40.04 | lexik | sixwheeledbeast: ok, "design" issue solved but "File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again!" error not. |
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| 18:42.12 | lexik | :: http://i.imgur.com/q72TGAj.png |
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| 18:56.41 | dos1 | lexik: hi |
| 18:56.56 | lexik | dos1: hi |
| 18:56.57 | dos1 | did you have some problem with ftp upload, or just haven't done it yet? |
| 18:57.22 | lexik | no problem with ftp, just a little problem with photoshop :) |
| 18:57.30 | dos1 | ok then :) |
| 18:57.35 | lexik | it's on my side :) |
| 19:00.28 | lexik | dos1: i was talking here about Neo900 logo competition, can you please create new dir on neo900.org (photos/logos/)? I will create thread on TMO, if you want.. |
| 19:01.09 | dos1 | sure |
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| 19:19.39 | lexik | dos1; DocScrutinizer05: i'm creating the thread about proposals for the logo of Neo900, what should be the deadline? (because of voting..) |
| 19:20.15 | dos1 | there's no real need to hurry IMO |
| 19:20.52 | zammy | the tecnology competition is cruel |
| 19:20.58 | zammy | we must hurry |
| 19:20.59 | zammy | XD |
| 19:23.20 | lexik | dos1: no need for hurry but i want to motivate users :D The deadline always can be extended |
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| 20:07.08 | dos1 | lexik: censoring nokia on your photo right now, should be on the page today :) |
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| 20:25.38 | marcdeop | hello |
| 20:25.49 | marcdeop | I'm facing a problem trying to install syncevolution |
| 20:25.53 | marcdeop | libpcre3 (>= 6.7-1osso1+r1) but it is not installable |
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| 20:33.23 | lexik | dos1: good :) |
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| 20:55.00 | dos1 | http://neo900.org/ - now with our own N900 photo |
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| 21:22.24 | marcdeop | what's the next step on that? |
| 21:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 21:37.14 | kerio | maybe a video! |
| 21:37.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | a video of what? |
| 21:38.11 | kerio | idk, of a neo900 |
| 21:38.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | there is no Neo900 existing yet |
| 21:38.34 | kerio | yeah but we don't necessarily have to tell them |
| 21:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, ok |
| 21:40.31 | kerio | that photo is also not a photo of a neo900 |
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| 22:29.17 | sixwheeledbeast | marcdeop: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/libpcre3/6.7-1osso1+r1/ Not installable due to incorrect or missing catalogues? Pkg conflict? |
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| 22:43.41 | xes | sixwheeledbeast: this is not related to that package but to the nokia "Maemo 5 device SSU repository": http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62576 |
| 22:45.41 | xes | sixwheeledbeast: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps |
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