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| 02:00.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | awesome, and the only answer is a spam for rolex replicas |
| 02:01.00 | robbiethe1st | Of course |
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| 02:02.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, comfirming pin compatibility and free choice of modem 3G or 4G for Neo900 customers |
| 02:02.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and aiui GDM609 also pin compatible. Not sure about API and thus AP GSM stack |
| 02:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe when you're interested in such a weird critter like the 609, you will be happier with a all new dialer anyway |
| 02:05.51 | robbiethe1st | Yes. Make it as memory-effecient as possible, and lock it in memory |
| 02:06.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it is already locked in RAM ;-) |
| 02:06.29 | robbiethe1st | So, only thing to do is make it smaller |
| 02:06.42 | robbiethe1st | (I mean, if you're going to re-write it anyway |
| 02:06.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | whoever wants to tackle that, nobody will stop him |
| 02:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | au contraure I will make sure that brave person is full aware of where to download the datasheets for the 609 |
| 02:13.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yay, 5500 thanks. not far to 5555 |
| 02:14.57 | Win7Mac | congrats Doc, saw my query? |
| 02:20.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | err which one? |
| 02:25.58 | RST38h | moos |
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| 07:30.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 07:30.32 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51 |
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| 07:43.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~neo900 |
| 07:43.17 | infobot | i heard neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/ |
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| 09:07.09 | DrCode | hi all |
| 09:07.23 | DrCode | I need to send my phone to repair |
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| 09:07.30 | Macer | i didnt even hook my n900 up |
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| 09:08.00 | DrCode | I my get new n900 phone, how can I backup all my apps , sms and etc? is there way to make dd from emmc? |
| 09:08.06 | Macer | be careful. nokia might send you an e7 back hehe |
| 09:08.07 | DrCode | I don't want to start install all again |
| 09:08.09 | DrCode | no |
| 09:08.15 | DrCode | the slider is going hard |
| 09:08.23 | Macer | there is backupmenu i suppose |
| 09:08.34 | DrCode | the reseller promise to send me same phone |
| 09:09.05 | DrCode | I didn't bout it from nokia, its chaines n900 |
| 09:09.27 | Macer | not sure if it does sms etc. might have a full backup option |
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| 09:09.52 | Macer | im on #3 heh |
| 09:10.12 | Macer | i wonder if a surface rt can do adhoc to connect it to my n900 |
| 09:10.31 | DrCode | I bout n900 like from chaina , its great phone , I think its the same like nokia n900 |
| 09:12.22 | Macer | some chinese resellers were selling knockoff ones |
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| 09:18.37 | DrCode | It worked well |
| 09:19.10 | DrCode | appbackup will backup all apps with config, I will not have to reinstall .deb in the new phone? |
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| 09:23.09 | thedead1440 | Macer: last i read, winrt doesn't have ad-hoc support hence it can't even connect to an ad-hoc network |
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| 09:26.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | DrCode: backup restore wll do for you |
| 09:27.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | it has a list of deb to download and install |
| 09:29.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | DrCode: of course a BM backup would be best |
| 09:29.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~BM |
| 09:29.59 | infobot | it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
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| 09:48.21 | DrCode | thanku |
| 09:48.57 | DrCode | I want to install backupmenu but the download link is broken |
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| 10:09.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | BM should be in extras-devel repository |
| 10:10.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | installable via appmanager aka HAM |
| 10:16.51 | DrCode | DocScrutinizer05, how do I had extras-devl? |
| 10:17.01 | DrCode | I am using ccsu |
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| 10:28.27 | Pali | ~extras-devel |
| 10:28.27 | infobot | hmm... extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel |
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| 13:46.54 | mashina | finally got a data plan |
| 13:47.00 | mashina | ssh and irc in the car! |
| 13:47.21 | mashina | that sim tray is fiddly as hell |
| 13:48.03 | Apic | =) |
| 13:50.29 | mashina | im passenger |
| 13:50.33 | mashina | no safety worries |
| 13:51.04 | mashina | but yeah i accidentally snapped out the tray flap |
| 13:51.22 | mashina | put it back in... no wonder people say that tray breaks |
| 13:52.17 | DocScrutinizer06 | tzzz |
| 13:52.38 | DocScrutinizer06 | we will look for one made from massive steel, for Neo900 |
| 13:53.19 | mashina | look at the nokia c3 for a good one, uses the exact same battery but nicer cover for sim - simpler |
| 13:53.19 | DocScrutinizer06 | with a mugen cover, we might get it fitted |
| 13:53.39 | mashina | pretty good try for a $20 phone |
| 13:54.13 | mashina | maybe gps will work a lot better |
| 13:54.22 | mashina | now that agps can kick in |
| 13:54.31 | DocScrutinizer06 | admittedly those things are clumsy |
| 13:55.02 | mashina | i'm not sure if i can do 3G, it tops at either 2.5 or 2G |
| 13:55.03 | DocScrutinizer06 | change to supl.google.com |
| 13:55.04 | jon_y | the Neo900 will be built with 250mm thich steel case |
| 13:55.13 | jon_y | enough to withstand a tank gun |
| 13:55.15 | jon_y | :) |
| 13:55.19 | mashina | prob diff bands, I'm on rogers/at&t bands |
| 13:55.21 | DocScrutinizer06 | fron russian tanks |
| 13:55.35 | jon_y | well, WW2 era tanks anyway |
| 13:56.05 | DocScrutinizer06 | we dived up steel in bikini atoll |
| 13:56.22 | DocScrutinizer06 | there's a lot there |
| 13:56.39 | jon_y | hmm, radioactive steel |
| 13:56.45 | mashina | jonjon true winter war and 3310 heritage |
| 13:56.46 | mashina | starting to get laggy |
| 13:56.57 | mashina | 4bars with lag |
| 13:57.05 | mashina | but im moving at like 80kph |
| 13:57.40 | DocScrutinizer06 | 3G and at&t don't work together well, I heard |
| 13:58.03 | mashina | yeah im on rogerds which is at&t bands up north |
| 13:58.05 | jon_y | GSM, in the USA? |
| 13:58.11 | mashina | canada |
| 13:58.14 | jon_y | oh ok |
| 13:58.34 | jon_y | I remember my N900 keeps showing 2.5G in the US |
| 13:58.44 | jon_y | not sure if I remembered wrongly |
| 13:58.54 | DocScrutinizer06 | anyway, if problems with GPS: change supl server to supl.google.com |
| 13:59.02 | mashina | its gsm our cdma carriers switched |
| 13:59.10 | DocScrutinizer06 | and ask freemangordon about latest patches |
| 13:59.21 | mashina | i havent added cssu yet |
| 14:00.41 | mashina | edge sucks lag wise |
| 14:00.42 | mashina | i can tolerate speed but lag i hate |
| 14:01.43 | mashina | but like i said moving fast |
| 14:01.43 | mashina | ok i can see what looks like the cell tower from here |
| 14:02.42 | mashina | onna disconnect my tmux |
| 14:09.01 | mashina | alright parked now, laggy but not bunged up bad |
| 14:09.26 | mashina | ssh -C should reduce usage to fit my 500MB cap |
| 14:10.06 | mashina | should try tor maybe too |
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| 14:33.16 | kerio | ssh compression is a must, both for lag and for traffic usage |
| 14:33.38 | kerio | at least, for small amounts of data |
| 14:33.47 | kerio | if you can send a whole screenful in a single packet, you don't get that annoying jitter |
| 14:34.21 | kerio | come back next week for the next episode of "shit i learned about terminals when playing nethack" |
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| 14:40.36 | mashina | heh |
| 14:40.42 | mashina | on public wifi now |
| 14:40.52 | mashina | quite a bit nicer lag wise |
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| 15:31.09 | jonwil | ok, I have now identified what should be all the dbus interfaces we need to support in fsogsmd for Neo900 (either support them or take the things that are using them and rewrite/clone/replace them) |
| 15:31.33 | jonwil | so yeah that covers everything we need to replace in order to replace the cellular services daemon going forward :) |
| 15:32.59 | jonwil | We have full documentation for /com/nokia/csd/gprs and /com/nokia/phone/net |
| 15:33.45 | jonwil | And we have what should hopefully be full dbus introspection details for /com/nokia/csd/call, /com/nokia/csd/info, /com/nokia/phone/sms and /com/nokia/csd/ss |
| 15:34.15 | jonwil | its only /com/nokia/phone/sim, /com/nokia/phone/sim/security and /com/nokia/phone/sim/phonebook where we dont have full details :) |
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| 15:47.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: that sounds awesome |
| 15:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | phonebook is boring - and probbaly can get done way better than what we have now |
| 15:48.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sim/security is not much |
| 15:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sim is cloudy |
| 15:49.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afraid sim will hold a lot of surprises for us |
| 15:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | niche cases you rather wouldn't even think of |
| 15:50.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think we at least can ignore simlock ;-) |
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| 15:56.31 | jonwil | Let me see of the things that use com.nokia.phone.sim.* which bits they actually use |
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| 15:59.21 | jonwil | Quite a few of them only use phone.sim.* to get imsi/imei |
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| 16:17.57 | jonwil | oooh neat, csd-sim has some info on the methods it exposes after all, functions in that lib have names like m_Phone_Sim__authenticate_sim_card_ay |
| 16:18.04 | jonwil | so Phone_Sim is the interface |
| 16:18.15 | jonwil | authenticate_sim_card is the method |
| 16:18.18 | jonwil | and ay is the args |
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| 16:25.16 | dos11 | jonwil: nice! |
| 16:25.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
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| 16:45.15 | RiD | hey DocScrutinizer05! |
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| 16:51.27 | jonwil | so yeah in theory we can probably figure out the format (parameters, return type) of most of the dbus messages related to the cellular services daemon. Doesn't help us figure out what they do or what the values actually mean though :( |
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| 16:54.55 | jonwil | Too bad some anonymous Nokia person hasn't leaked libcscall-blah.tar.gz or libsim-blah.tar.gz or libsms-blah.tar.gz :P |
| 16:55.58 | dos1 | all anonymous Nokia persons over here - we need your help! |
| 16:57.09 | dos1 | cookies for docs, deal? :) |
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| 17:12.44 | mike-hun | hello.my n900's board is damaged,but found pcb board for sale without spare parts.does it worth to buy it or are there any phone recycling companies in the uk where can I buy a new board? |
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| 17:17.31 | mike-hun | thank you |
| 17:17.51 | RiD | ? |
| 17:19.46 | mike-hun | what chances i have to get a new board? |
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| 17:32.03 | wnd | not again.. telepathy + gtalk fails with informative "network error". |
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| 17:47.09 | Win7Mac | tmo down? |
| 17:47.15 | dos1 | seems so |
| 17:47.48 | thedead1440 | maintenance being carried out |
| 17:48.04 | Win7Mac | without notice? |
| 17:48.35 | RiD | actually you had notice |
| 17:48.36 | RiD | afaik |
| 17:49.25 | thedead1440 | i'm not sure of the notice too; just saw that a snapshot of talk was required hence the vm is frozzen.. |
| 17:49.53 | dos1 | k |
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| 17:51.17 | thedead1440 | frozen* |
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| 18:07.29 | sixwheeledbeast | maintenance was completed over the weekend AFAIK |
| 18:07.38 | sixwheeledbeast | down for me too. |
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| 18:08.50 | dos1 | vBulletin Message: TMO is on maintenance. We will be back soon. |
| 18:09.13 | dos1 | got it few minutes ago, now it's down again |
| 18:09.35 | dos1 | so I have no doubt there is mainternance going on right now :P |
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| 18:24.20 | sixwheeledbeast | seems all is back? |
| 18:24.41 | Win7Mac | looks gooood |
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| 19:15.01 | dos1 | I just found some old Nokia 3410 case |
| 19:15.08 | dos1 | hmm... Neo3410 anyone? :D |
| 19:15.20 | RiD | dafaq |
| 19:16.31 | dos1 | imagine that bragging abilities |
| 19:16.40 | dos1 | "I have put Maemo to my 3410!" |
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| 19:17.15 | RiD | well |
| 19:17.20 | RiD | that's like saying you put a ferrari in a fiat |
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| 19:35.12 | kerio | put an abarth in a fiat :D |
| 19:35.49 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
| 19:36.09 | sixwheeledbeast | TC130 engine in a panda :D |
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| 19:56.34 | sixwheeledbeast | grr...pidgin |
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| 20:15.32 | sledges | there's a panda club, quite big in italy , ca 200bhp engines :) |
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| 20:36.02 | sixwheeledbeast | 200? you wouldn't get that from the old "999 fire" engine. :) |
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| 23:19.13 | brolin_empey | Does anyone here use the BlackBerry 10 OS? |
| 23:19.22 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 23:20.32 | brolin_empey | GeneralAntilles: Do you personally use it? |
| 23:24.09 | GeneralAntilles | brolin_empey, yeah, Z10 is my primary device right now. |
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| 23:28.01 | brolin_empey | GeneralAntilles: I am interested in the BlacKBerry Q10 because I want an integrated hardware keyboard. I guess the BlackBerry 10 OS is the same on the Z10 as on the Q10, though? |
| 23:32.33 | brolin_empey | GeneralAntilles: What do you think of the BlackBerry 10 OS? Is it suitable for hackers? Is it friendly to Free/libre Software? Does it have external USB Host capability? |
| 23:35.08 | GeneralAntilles | It's not Fremantle or Harmattan. |
| 23:35.16 | GeneralAntilles | It's a nice substitute if hacking isn't a requirement |
| 23:35.19 | GeneralAntilles | But it's not a mobile computer. |
| 23:35.23 | brolin_empey | GeneralAntilles: Can I use a Command-Line Interface on the BlackBerry 10 OS? |
| 23:35.28 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 23:35.34 | GeneralAntilles | SSH is mostly available |
| 23:35.37 | GeneralAntilles | But local term is not. |
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| 23:48.04 | brolin_empey | GeneralAntilles: SSH client and server? |
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| 23:56.48 | GeneralAntilles | brolin_empey, Android player apps. |
| 23:56.51 | GeneralAntilles | For client |
| 23:56.54 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't seen a server. |
| 23:59.42 | M4rtinK | the QNX shell is also VERY limited |
| 23:59.57 | M4rtinK | only bare POSIX requirements I guess |