| 00:00.07 | HtheB | ~seen robbiethe1st |
| 00:00.10 | infobot | robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@63.140.21.124> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 20h 23m 39s ago, saying: 'Moar power!'. |
| 00:06.45 | Win7Mac | Hi! please share your thoughts regarding the eV, I just updated the thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373011#post1373011 |
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| 00:25.07 | HtheB | yo quackquack |
| 00:25.22 | RiD | what kind of nickname is that |
| 00:25.27 | quackquack | hi HtheB |
| 00:25.39 | HtheB | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajNITiqPAKw |
| 00:26.19 | quackquack | xD HtheB |
| 00:26.24 | HtheB | :D |
| 00:27.06 | RiD | that's on my to watch list |
| 00:27.51 | Win7Mac | HtheB, you just read my recent eV post, what do you think? |
| 00:28.19 | HtheB | RiD: it's only 8 secs |
| 00:28.29 | HtheB | Win7Mac: to be honest, it was too long ehheh |
| 00:28.34 | HtheB | I dont even know what it was about though |
| 00:28.40 | RiD | no sound here :p |
| 00:28.53 | HtheB | Do'h! |
| 00:30.24 | HtheB | DJ quackquack |
| 00:31.13 | quackquack | listening |
| 00:36.21 | Win7Mac | ehheh... dont even know what it was about... care about duck shit instead... right, should do that too instead of spending hours upon it. know what? - FU! |
| 00:37.04 | RiD | i did not understand a single thing of what you just said |
| 00:37.28 | RiD | are you saying that duck shit is hours? |
| 00:37.32 | quackquack | RiD, +1 |
| 00:40.48 | Win7Mac | right, duck shit is hours, just smoke it and ya know |
| 00:40.58 | RiD | smoke is duck? |
| 00:41.19 | Win7Mac | no, you are dick |
| 00:41.35 | RiD | don't call me names , you silly |
| 00:41.45 | RiD | call me by my nickname |
| 00:41.56 | Win7Mac | honestly, what do you expect? |
| 00:42.05 | RiD | rid |
| 00:42.15 | RiD | you could get RiD of me |
| 00:43.24 | Win7Mac | I could, but I want your input in that topic ;) |
| 00:43.38 | RiD | what topic |
| 00:43.55 | Win7Mac | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373011#post1373011 |
| 00:46.43 | RiD | sorry but i'm a mere user |
| 00:48.05 | Win7Mac | mere tmo user? mere H user? |
| 00:48.50 | Win7Mac | shit, it's about OUR future... |
| 00:49.12 | RiD | I can't help on that |
| 00:49.34 | Win7Mac | oh, come on! |
| 00:49.47 | RiD | what? |
| 00:50.00 | Win7Mac | yes you can! |
| 00:50.12 | RiD | i have no knowledge in all that burocracy mess |
| 00:50.15 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 00:50.43 | *** mode/#maemo [+qq Win7Mac!*@* rid!*@*] by DocScrutinizer05 |
| 00:51.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | behave! |
| 00:51.48 | *** mode/#maemo [-qq Win7Mac!*@* rid!*@*] by DocScrutinizer05 |
| 00:52.00 | RiD | lol, I wasn't being mean or anything :p |
| 00:52.17 | Win7Mac | no, mee to |
| 00:52.24 | Win7Mac | too |
| 00:53.13 | RiD | I'm a leecher! Only thing I ever did was that rockbox skin |
| 00:53.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it helps: I got notification of new post in thread, and I read it and got headache trying to get it all together |
| 00:54.47 | Win7Mac | Doc, where can I assist? |
| 00:55.15 | Win7Mac | and yes, it helps |
| 00:55.52 | Win7Mac | since you at least can read the draft |
| 00:56.21 | Win7Mac | basically, I don't know what do any more |
| 00:56.57 | Win7Mac | I'm a bit frustrated with this since input is so low |
| 00:57.54 | Win7Mac | board decided and I'm left alone with it... :( |
| 01:07.05 | Win7Mac | Doc, please refrain from tearing my post appart in the thread, please comment here instead and allow me to correct mayself if you think I'm wrong here or there |
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| 01:12.28 | HtheB | Win7Mac: my future isn't based on a OS... |
| 01:12.32 | HtheB | I have a life you know ;) |
| 01:13.00 | HtheB | I'm here for fun, and to help people if someone needs help |
| 01:13.25 | HtheB | and yeah, a little duck is always awesome, right quackquack and RiD ? |
| 01:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: I caan't comment and for sure I won't tear it into pieces. I'm just amazed by your endurance to push this. I resigned several months ago |
| 01:14.51 | quackquack | nods HtheB |
| 01:14.58 | Win7Mac | HtheB, if you get active on tmo as mod, how can you ignore HiFo? |
| 01:15.02 | RiD | HtheB ehh...sure |
| 01:15.07 | mashina | mallards? |
| 01:15.12 | HtheB | im just banning spambot |
| 01:15.26 | Win7Mac | oh, thats it? |
| 01:15.28 | HtheB | and merging threads and stuff |
| 01:15.42 | HtheB | im not into all the other stuff |
| 01:16.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: frustration is a poor argument to convice others to help. I know since I've been there |
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| 01:17.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and HiFo got a very bad taste for most of community members, thanks to last term |
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| 01:17.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not a surprise that feedback and enthusiasm is low |
| 01:18.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is to convince community that HiFo is a good thing and can be fun and perspective |
| 01:18.53 | Win7Mac | Doc, amazed by my endurance? - board thinks this is the right way to go and since I'm the only one left to help in that regard since chemist lesft for holliday and whatnot |
| 01:18.54 | HtheB | 90% of the users skips it anyway, it's something that a normal user doesnt even understand what it is about |
| 01:19.39 | Win7Mac | right, and I want to help |
| 01:19.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 01:19.58 | Win7Mac | I just hit busses instead |
| 01:20.25 | Win7Mac | :-( |
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| 01:21.50 | HtheB | Win7Mac: I thought you wanted some war... |
| 01:22.03 | Win7Mac | no, discussion |
| 01:22.18 | Win7Mac | more like community backup |
| 01:22.20 | HtheB | You ain't helping anybody if you call people dick.... |
| 01:22.29 | Win7Mac | sorry |
| 01:22.47 | RiD | :o I'm sure he didn't mean it |
| 01:22.55 | HtheB | this also makes influance of your reputation |
| 01:23.21 | Win7Mac | right, sorry again, I was emberrassed |
| 01:23.30 | HtheB | still, just because I'm not into something.. |
| 01:23.31 | HtheB | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.36 | HtheB | appology accepted |
| 01:23.56 | HtheB | so, what is all the stuff about anyway? |
| 01:24.35 | Win7Mac | get the money to where it is needed + accesible |
| 01:24.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo community needs somebody who got the "power" to sign contracts for us all |
| 01:25.07 | Win7Mac | and get the HiFo under EU instead of PA state laws |
| 01:25.19 | HtheB | eu stinks as much as PA |
| 01:25.25 | Win7Mac | Doc, right! |
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| 01:26.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | HtheB: why do you say EU stinks? what's wrong? |
| 01:26.03 | Win7Mac | HtheB, I don't think so |
| 01:26.29 | HtheB | the EU is going down soon.. believe me :) |
| 01:26.36 | HtheB | econimical crisis and stuff :) |
| 01:26.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't worry about that |
| 01:26.44 | RiD | portugal will save it |
| 01:26.47 | RiD | *cough* |
| 01:26.51 | Win7Mac | LOL |
| 01:26.52 | HtheB | exactly... |
| 01:27.45 | HtheB | a couple countries will survive it |
| 01:27.49 | HtheB | like China |
| 01:27.51 | HtheB | Turkey |
| 01:27.56 | RiD | and portugal |
| 01:28.29 | HtheB | anyway, this channel is about Maemo, not about political stuff |
| 01:28.36 | HtheB | neither about Hildon foundation |
| 01:28.43 | Win7Mac | and the US ofc... |
| 01:29.15 | HtheB | all I care is my life and my family and friends :) |
| 01:29.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | HtheB: you missed the point here |
| 01:29.26 | HtheB | nothing more, nothing less |
| 01:29.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | HiFo *is* maemo |
| 01:29.31 | HtheB | no its not :) |
| 01:29.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | then sth is wrong |
| 01:30.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | since it's meant to be |
| 01:31.05 | HtheB | what will hildon foundation do for me? :) |
| 01:31.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | it got invented to be maemo for all that matters regarding signing contracts and handling money |
| 01:31.28 | Win7Mac | pay for the infra e.g |
| 01:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | HtheB: pay for the servers? |
| 01:31.49 | HtheB | i dont care about that |
| 01:31.56 | HtheB | again: if maemo closes, my life isn't over :) |
| 01:31.58 | Macer | Compatible with 2G & 3G HSDPA 850/900/1900/2100 & 4G 800/900/1800/1900/2100/2600 |
| 01:32.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, then why do you moderate tmo? |
| 01:32.05 | Macer | i still don't understand what t-mobile uses |
| 01:32.08 | HtheB | to help people, I like that |
| 01:32.10 | Macer | don't they use 1700 for 4G? |
| 01:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | HtheB: you're starting to sound silly |
| 01:32.36 | HtheB | why is that? :) |
| 01:32.50 | HtheB | Maemo is starting to die.... |
| 01:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | because you say you love using tmo but you don't see how HiFo paying tmo is any good for you |
| 01:33.15 | HtheB | i didn't say I love... |
| 01:33.18 | HtheB | I love my family and friends :) |
| 01:33.27 | HtheB | like and love are 2 different words |
| 01:33.55 | HtheB | tmo is full of trolls nowadays |
| 01:34.06 | HtheB | no announcement of awesome stuff |
| 01:34.07 | Win7Mac | no, helping others is a good thing, no matter if its on tmo or here on IRC - each his own, but still we have smth in common with a "higher2 goal, right? |
| 01:34.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh |
| 01:34.29 | HtheB | higher goal? I'm not looking for a higher goal |
| 01:34.33 | RiD | HtheB we got many things already |
| 01:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | no awesome announcements anymore?? |
| 01:35.01 | HtheB | still missing 1 little thing |
| 01:35.02 | RiD | you can't announce something new that has already been done |
| 01:35.12 | HtheB | which is on harmattan |
| 01:35.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, what announcements do you need to think "wow"? |
| 01:35.50 | RiD | HtheB what thing? |
| 01:35.52 | HtheB | binding volume buttons to media volume always |
| 01:35.59 | RiD | eh |
| 01:36.04 | HtheB | no one could get this to work :) |
| 01:36.24 | Win7Mac | HtheB: no major harmattan progress without maemo.org I guess?! |
| 01:36.33 | HtheB | Win7Mac: oh yes... :) |
| 01:36.37 | RiD | i think some players support it, HtheB |
| 01:36.43 | HtheB | powerpack didnt come from tmo :) |
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| 01:37.19 | HtheB | there are many other forums that have some better support (in their own language) |
| 01:37.25 | Win7Mac | and as Doc stated, maemo is tied to HiFo already |
| 01:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | HtheB: night fellow, your negativism doesn't please me right now, so I'm off |
| 01:37.43 | HtheB | nite doc |
| 01:38.32 | HtheB | soon im going to Jolla |
| 01:38.55 | HtheB | I'm wondering if jolla will make an official forum |
| 01:38.57 | Win7Mac | guess what, me too, very likely |
| 01:39.10 | RiD | to be honest, and it's only my opinion, jolla doesn't really please me |
| 01:39.34 | HtheB | it does for me |
| 01:39.40 | HtheB | android apps without having android :) |
| 01:39.45 | Win7Mac | nobody can tell anything so far, so we'll see |
| 01:39.55 | RiD | you'll still have android parts :/ |
| 01:40.01 | HtheB | RiD: care |
| 01:40.10 | HtheB | android + html5 + qt |
| 01:40.21 | RiD | one thing android is horrible at is ui/ux |
| 01:40.31 | HtheB | again: care |
| 01:40.35 | Macer | http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart |
| 01:40.37 | Macer | ugh |
| 01:40.41 | HtheB | I just need some apps that aren't available for maemo/meego |
| 01:40.43 | Macer | why must t-mobile use their oddball freq |
| 01:40.44 | Macer | :-/ |
| 01:40.52 | Macer | it really ruins lives heh |
| 01:41.17 | HtheB | Macer: guess frequencies are better over here :P they all uses the same |
| 01:41.25 | Macer | HtheB: i'm sure they do |
| 01:41.35 | Macer | T-Mobile US uses 1700/AWS for hspda+ |
| 01:41.42 | Macer | so it makes finding a device a bit more difficult |
| 01:41.52 | Macer | well.. finding an unlocked functional device vs a branded one |
| 01:41.53 | HtheB | RiD: so what if you have android parts? |
| 01:42.00 | HtheB | does it hurt you? |
| 01:42.09 | RiD | yes, it hurts my heart |
| 01:42.17 | HtheB | then dont use a phone at all :) |
| 01:42.31 | RiD | no, i'm just more concerned about how will android ui blend with jolla |
| 01:42.40 | HtheB | it will run in a sandbox |
| 01:42.58 | HtheB | so im sure they have their own 'theme' with it |
| 01:43.14 | RiD | it'll look like android i guess |
| 01:43.21 | HtheB | yes... ofcourse ¬¬ |
| 01:43.27 | RiD | hehe |
| 01:43.39 | HtheB | no shit :P |
| 01:43.44 | HtheB | sherlock |
| 01:43.46 | HtheB | anyway |
| 01:43.56 | HtheB | im just pissed off still no hwkeyb |
| 01:44.12 | HtheB | even though marc said he wants to see hwkeyb on phones... |
| 01:44.45 | Win7Mac | anyway, this is about as much as I can do regarding the eV without further feedback/assistance from communty |
| 01:44.53 | RiD | i don't think i'll switch to touchscreen keyboards anytime soon |
| 01:45.05 | RiD | it's just....horrible |
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| 01:45.36 | RiD | and me being a reasonably fast typer at computers and my n900, i get pissed off when trying to type on touchscreen |
| 01:45.36 | HtheB | its ok, for typing a word or 2 |
| 01:45.42 | HtheB | but, thats it |
| 01:46.01 | RiD | it makes me want to throw it out of the window so hard it hits a plane |
| 01:46.02 | HtheB | RiD: n900 sucks at vkeyb |
| 01:46.04 | HtheB | harmattan is a lot better |
| 01:46.19 | RiD | i tried many android keyboards |
| 01:46.27 | HtheB | use ios |
| 01:46.32 | RiD | tablet size, smartphone, etc |
| 01:46.33 | HtheB | it is working very well somehow |
| 01:46.57 | HtheB | it is really weird that I make typing errors on vkeyb (a lot) |
| 01:47.06 | HtheB | but on ios, somehow i always type right :/ |
| 01:47.18 | HtheB | and no auto correction |
| 01:47.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: get help by your board colleagues. There is GeneralAntilles and Jaffa and Woody14619, all with a history in council and thus some idea about how to talk to community |
| 01:47.43 | HtheB | btw, before starting to say about apple: I dont like Apple, dont have anything from apple in my home either |
| 01:47.44 | RiD | i barely make mistakes on my n900 |
| 01:47.52 | RiD | physical feedback is wonderful |
| 01:48.03 | HtheB | RiD: thats why I still wait for hwkeyb phone |
| 01:48.11 | HtheB | Motorola is bringing out one soon... but not in the EU i suppose |
| 01:48.22 | HtheB | 5row hwkeyboaaaaard! |
| 01:48.24 | RiD | yeh just us, sprint or verizon |
| 01:48.46 | HtheB | anyway, i should go to sleep |
| 01:48.55 | HtheB | almost 4 am ¬_¬ |
| 01:49.07 | RiD | i am pretty good with the n900's keyboard :) |
| 01:49.17 | RiD | instant *click* when i first tried it |
| 01:49.20 | HtheB | good with what? good with licking the keyboard? fine |
| 01:49.25 | HtheB | :D |
| 01:49.31 | RiD | what |
| 01:49.47 | RiD | no, so good i had to change keyboard because the other worn off like mad |
| 01:49.58 | HtheB | then youre not good |
| 01:50.07 | HtheB | I use my keyboard gentle :) |
| 01:50.12 | HtheB | got 4 laying here :P |
| 01:50.15 | RiD | gentle does not mean fast |
| 01:50.22 | HtheB | i type fast |
| 01:50.38 | HtheB | but if you use with dirty hands, the letters can tear off yeah |
| 01:50.41 | RiD | we'll see |
| 01:50.51 | RiD | you calling me filthy, boy?! |
| 01:50.54 | HtheB | n950 keyboard is btter |
| 01:50.58 | HtheB | RiD: yeah, bad boy! |
| 01:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeew |
| 01:51.07 | RiD | something on the other keyboard was different anyways |
| 01:51.16 | RiD | this one hasn't worn off yet |
| 01:51.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | n950 is exactly place two on my all time top ten of awful keyboards |
| 01:51.32 | RiD | the other one's backspace key was heart shattering |
| 01:51.42 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer05: I LOOOOOOOVE it |
| 01:51.49 | HtheB | types better then n900 |
| 01:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way |
| 01:52.01 | HtheB | the keys are more easy to press |
| 01:52.04 | RiD | give me one so i can tell you |
| 01:52.28 | RiD | i'll break the damned guiness world record for fastest sms! |
| 01:52.32 | HtheB | the n900 are to close |
| 01:52.37 | RiD | "guiness world record" what |
| 01:52.49 | HtheB | after typing on the n950, the n900 feels tiny |
| 01:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, so easy to press that you can press 3 at once. And doing so is usual since the keys have no taktile feedback of where one ends and other one starts |
| 01:53.35 | HtheB | i dont know what fingers you have, but my keys does have tactile feedback |
| 01:53.40 | HtheB | i can just type blind |
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| 01:54.29 | HtheB_ | here |
| 01:54.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | about as much tactile feedback as a touchscreen |
| 01:54.45 | HtheB_n950 | errr. no |
| 01:54.46 | HtheB_n950 | not at all |
| 01:54.49 | RiD | and so, the battle has begun |
| 01:54.52 | HtheB_n950 | i really like this |
| 01:55.00 | HtheB_n950 | more space |
| 01:55.02 | HtheB_n950 | 4 rows... |
| 01:55.07 | HtheB_n950 | instead of 3 |
| 01:55.25 | HtheB_n950 | also, more easy to use with special chars like òôö and stuff |
| 01:55.25 | RiD | don't split your sentence into 10 different messages |
| 01:55.38 | RiD | óôõéî |
| 01:55.43 | HtheB_n950 | thats what happens when you try to type fast on the phone |
| 01:55.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I thought when I first seen the N950 kbd... until I started typing on it |
| 01:56.05 | HtheB_n950 | you didn't use it for real then |
| 01:56.14 | HtheB_n950 | use it everyday, and you'll be amazed |
| 01:56.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I won't use a device with aegis on a daily basis |
| 01:56.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | gives me cancer |
| 01:56.48 | Wulfe | lol |
| 01:56.54 | HtheB_n950 | DocScrutinizer05, aegis doesnt do anything to me |
| 01:57.04 | HtheB_n950 | openmode, inception should be enough |
| 01:57.24 | Win7Mac | coderus' aegis installer! |
| 01:57.48 | HtheB_n950 | i dont like him |
| 01:57.52 | HtheB_n950 | very selfish |
| 01:57.53 | Win7Mac | *hack |
| 01:58.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using computers since 40 years now, and since at least 20 years I'm pissed by anything that doesn't feel and work like unix. And now I shall get used to this aegis shit? no way |
| 01:59.03 | HtheB_n950 | DocScrutinizer05, you're getting old |
| 01:59.07 | HtheB_n950 | just ace the truth |
| 01:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed I'm too old for that shit |
| 02:00.11 | HtheB_n950 | thats why you couldnt handle n950 keyb |
| 02:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe |
| 02:00.45 | Win7Mac | he just keeps that for GTA05 ;) |
| 02:01.06 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 that line! |
| 02:01.38 | Win7Mac | in an awesome new N950/e7 style shiny new device ;) |
| 02:01.45 | HtheB_n950 | gta 5 coming out soon |
| 02:01.48 | RiD | in pink |
| 02:01.57 | Win7Mac | ROTFL |
| 02:02.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | e7 maybe |
| 02:02.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | n950 we don't get any parts for |
| 02:03.01 | RiD | put an n900 in an n950 body |
| 02:03.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | TI still doesn't really sell omap5 in mass^h to the masses |
| 02:03.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we will start GTA05 next year the earliest |
| 02:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | omap4 is shite |
| 02:04.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | SiErr that TI refuses to fix |
| 02:04.19 | HtheB_n950 | snapdragon 800 ftw |
| 02:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | possible |
| 02:04.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but snapdragon isn't an "open" chip I think |
| 02:05.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know you don't care about open |
| 02:05.32 | HtheB_n950 | what if its not open? |
| 02:05.39 | HtheB_n950 | hahahh |
| 02:05.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | then we can't use it since we don't know how. The simple truth |
| 02:06.03 | HtheB_n950 | hmmm |
| 02:06.16 | HtheB_n950 | it should be documented though |
| 02:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | should, uhuh |
| 02:06.26 | Win7Mac | anyway, with latest Nokia/M$ deal, we may have new perspectives, esp. regarding Jolla/Sailfish as a future Nokia target |
| 02:06.37 | HtheB_n950 | but i dont like totally closed though, like wp and ios |
| 02:06.53 | HtheB_n950 | what about newkia |
| 02:06.54 | HtheB_n950 | ? |
| 02:07.02 | Win7Mac | if they decide to come back in 2016 |
| 02:07.08 | RiD | newkia is just blabla |
| 02:07.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? future nokia target? plase elaborate |
| 02:07.17 | RiD | look at the name |
| 02:07.34 | Win7Mac | Jolla |
| 02:08.10 | HtheB_n950 | hollaaaa if you jollaaaa |
| 02:08.40 | Win7Mac | I cannot imagine Nokia would never ever make handsets again |
| 02:08.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | nokia will build windows phones! |
| 02:09.09 | RiD | ^ |
| 02:09.15 | Win7Mac | LOL |
| 02:09.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | just now it's owned by MS |
| 02:09.46 | RiD | and they'll talk at how great their camera is |
| 02:09.51 | RiD | but nothing else |
| 02:09.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | which makes perfect sense for building MS err windblows phones |
| 02:10.50 | Win7Mac | AFAIK, from 2016 on, they can sell new HW under different names |
| 02:11.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and MS will make sure that each nokia phone has a proper convenient backdoor for NSA |
| 02:11.28 | RiD | that's what i'm less worried about |
| 02:11.33 | HtheB_n950 | windows was OK, untill 8 came out |
| 02:11.34 | HtheB_n950 | -_- |
| 02:11.46 | HtheB_n950 | nsa kiss my ass |
| 02:11.53 | HtheB_n950 | i dont care |
| 02:12.12 | RiD | 8 is better than 7 in many aspects, but they decided to also put the whole "modern"ui crap on it |
| 02:12.16 | Win7Mac | I'm talking about whats left of Nokia, Finland, not the part that moved to M$ |
| 02:12.33 | HtheB_n950 | Win7Mac: nothing left over there |
| 02:12.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | the part that left is about network |
| 02:12.47 | HtheB_n950 | NSN |
| 02:12.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | bts etc |
| 02:13.04 | HtheB_n950 | DocScrutinizer05, soon.... |
| 02:13.17 | HtheB_n950 | www.HtheB.com |
| 02:13.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 02:13.35 | HtheB_n950 | soon they'll take over NSN too |
| 02:13.42 | HtheB_n950 | (networking part) |
| 02:13.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever that is |
| 02:14.10 | RiD | HtheB_n950 do you have a site only to display that image? |
| 02:14.20 | HtheB_n950 | refresh RiD |
| 02:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | is nokia network branch called NSN? |
| 02:14.37 | RiD | oh god |
| 02:14.43 | HtheB_n950 | DocScrutinizer05, yes. Nokia Siemens Networking |
| 02:14.45 | RiD | you gotta be kidding me LOL |
| 02:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah yes |
| 02:15.05 | Win7Mac | right, and I cannot imagine they will not retry their efforts with another handset as soon as they can... |
| 02:15.33 | HtheB_n950 | RiD, my website will go live soon again |
| 02:15.36 | RiD | www.htheb.com/images/26.jpg that one scares me |
| 02:15.59 | RiD | sweet dreams x_x |
| 02:16.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: they got no name, no OS, no inhouse competence and knowhow |
| 02:16.05 | HtheB_n950 | :D |
| 02:16.31 | Win7Mac | they just buy Jolla |
| 02:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAHA |
| 02:17.08 | HtheB_n950 | microsoft changed |
| 02:17.17 | Win7Mac | They have billions now |
| 02:17.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | they always had |
| 02:17.33 | HtheB_n950 | before it was: if you can't beat them, join them |
| 02:17.44 | HtheB_n950 | now it is: if you can't beat them, buy them |
| 02:17.48 | Win7Mac | 5-10 billion Euro |
| 02:18.19 | HtheB_n950 | or, in this case: if you can't beat them, sneak in, break it, buy them |
| 02:19.01 | RiD | at a cheaper price |
| 02:19.11 | HtheB_n950 | yeah |
| 02:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't that what hedgefunds always do? |
| 02:19.20 | Win7Mac | Jolla would be ~10 mio? 100 mio - no prob! |
| 02:19.29 | HtheB_n950 | i dont understand why the EU does accept this? |
| 02:19.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe they don't? |
| 02:19.57 | HtheB_n950 | ms already gave money |
| 02:20.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | their problem ;-P |
| 02:20.18 | HtheB_n950 | the deal is already done afaik |
| 02:20.35 | HtheB_n950 | a big maffia game.... |
| 02:20.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, needs to get accepted by EU ldqjelsxebudu commission |
| 02:20.48 | RiD | remember when nokia's plan was to do more maemo/meego flagship smartphones? |
| 02:20.52 | Win7Mac | NSN still has acces to all of Nokias patents AFAIK |
| 02:21.02 | HtheB_n950 | elop stated that nokia wouldnt sell their stuff to microsoft |
| 02:21.12 | HtheB_n950 | and yet they did |
| 02:21.42 | Win7Mac | and can sell to others even |
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| 02:22.20 | HtheB_n950 | RiD, www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeiFF0gvqcc |
| 02:22.38 | HtheB_n950 | Win7Mac, they have patents yes |
| 02:22.42 | HtheB_n950 | but not all |
| 02:22.50 | HtheB_n950 | MS has the mobile shit |
| 02:23.00 | HtheB_n950 | MS, the new patent troll |
| 02:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | DAMN! spam on techstaff account |
| 02:23.27 | RiD | HtheB_n950 no thanks. Celldweller, The Crystal Method or others alike. Nothing else |
| 02:23.44 | quackquack | quackquack1, haha, imma real quackquack |
| 02:24.04 | HtheB | quack |
| 02:24.23 | quackquack | RiD, it was about 'do you remember the time' of the meego flagship |
| 02:24.42 | RiD | i know, but still |
| 02:24.49 | HtheB | mj ftw |
| 02:24.53 | RiD | i am extremely picky in musics |
| 02:25.18 | quackquack1 | i got clones? |
| 02:25.24 | RiD | apparently |
| 02:25.32 | Win7Mac | OK, gn guys o/ |
| 02:25.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, foeca dead? |
| 02:26.02 | RiD | xoxo muah muah |
| 02:26.22 | HtheB | heheh |
| 02:26.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | forecaWeather even |
| 02:26.54 | quackquack | sup doc? |
| 02:26.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: night! |
| 02:27.03 | quackquack | night Win7Mac |
| 02:27.17 | RiD | how about omweather |
| 02:27.42 | quackquack | what spam? |
| 02:27.46 | quackquack | quackquack1 |
| 02:27.56 | quackquack1 | ?? |
| 02:27.59 | quackquack | quackquack2? |
| 02:28.16 | quackquack1 | 0wn3d. |
| 02:28.18 | quackquack1 | ;-) |
| 02:28.22 | RiD | hehe |
| 02:28.23 | quackquack1 | lol |
| 02:28.24 | RiD | ghost? |
| 02:28.28 | quackquack1 | nods |
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| 02:28.48 | HtheB | darn it |
| 02:28.53 | HtheB | client crashed |
| 02:28.54 | quackquack1 | lol |
| 02:28.57 | RiD | oh |
| 02:28.58 | quackquack1 | sorry |
| 02:29.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, my internet on n900 is borked again :-( |
| 02:29.16 | HtheB | what happened quackquack1? |
| 02:29.20 | HtheB | you did something? |
| 02:29.32 | quackquack1 | nothing special |
| 02:29.45 | HtheB | :P then sorry from my side |
| 02:30.22 | HtheB | oh wait, quackquack is gone too |
| 02:30.25 | quackquack1 | xP xD |
| 02:30.31 | quackquack1 | sad |
| 02:30.42 | HtheB | thought you had to wait for quackquack to be gone |
| 02:30.44 | HtheB | so.... |
| 02:30.44 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 3g or wifi? |
| 02:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, now I finally diagnosed it: DNS doesn't work, internet is fine |
| 02:30.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | wifi |
| 02:31.00 | quackquack | quackquack |
| 02:31.05 | RiD | my router likes to take a break from dns sometimes |
| 02:31.09 | RiD | i hate that |
| 02:31.18 | quackquack | quck |
| 02:31.21 | quackquack | quack |
| 02:31.24 | RiD | (router/modem combo) |
| 02:31.39 | quackquack | quack quack |
| 02:32.06 | quackquack | RiD |
| 02:32.12 | RiD | quackquack |
| 02:32.19 | quackquack | quackquack |
| 02:32.26 | RiD | ?? |
| 02:32.30 | quackquack | quack |
| 02:32.40 | RiD | you should go to sleep |
| 02:32.49 | quackquack | ._. yeah |
| 02:32.56 | HtheB | night all |
| 02:32.57 | HtheB | :D |
| 02:33.00 | HtheB | quack! |
| 02:33.30 | quackquack1 | night |
| 02:33.33 | RiD | he has been tamed |
| 02:33.43 | RiD | I can proceed with my life now |
| 02:33.51 | quackquack1 | friggin openwrt takes so much space. |
| 02:33.51 | RiD | or what's left of it :v |
| 02:35.26 | quackquack1 | just waiting for WW-III to kick off. |
| 02:36.40 | HtheB_zzz | quack |
| 02:44.07 | quackquack1 | yep |
| 02:45.08 | Macer | quackquack1: build it youtself? |
| 02:45.23 | quackquack1 | yep |
| 02:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, evidently something around dnsmasq blows chunks |
| 02:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I can't tell for sure what |
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| 03:23.09 | Macer | wish it was still maintained |
| 03:23.14 | Macer | best fb client ever heh |
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| 03:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it's MohammadAG you need to pester about it |
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| 03:49.26 | jonwil | oooh, look what I found with google http://pastie.org/pastes/1149931 |
| 03:56.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: nice |
| 03:57.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | a shame that http://www.wirelessmodemapi.com/ is down |
| 03:59.02 | jonwil | I still have bits and pieces of headers from there |
| 03:59.07 | jonwil | I have zips from there and other info |
| 03:59.21 | jonwil | which is only of value if you care about the actual isi interface to the modem |
| 04:00.13 | jonwil | and by and large we dont need to care about that so much |
| 04:01.02 | jonwil | I do for example have the exact header file matching the N900 cellular modem GPS interface |
| 04:01.16 | jonwil | and I think the matching one for a few other modem interfaces |
| 04:02.20 | jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91313 |
| 04:02.26 | jonwil | More to come in that thread :) |
| 04:02.55 | jonwil | which btw I linked from in the FPTF thread |
| 04:06.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: I see we talked about it 14 months ago, in another channel |
| 04:06.22 | jonwil | hmmm, ok |
| 04:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm trying to locate the wirelessmodemapi shit on my PC, but no idea where to look ;-D |
| 04:09.08 | jonwil | http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G1%20V2%2010w49.zip http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G2%20V1%2010w49.zip http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G2%20V2%2011w05.zip http://www.cncmods.net/files/Wireless%20Modem%20API%20G2%20V3%2011w25.zip |
| 04:09.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh |
| 04:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 04:10.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! |
| 04:10.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and what you posted on pastie was not included in that zip stuff? |
| 04:15.09 | jonwil | that wasn't my paste |
| 04:15.15 | jonwil | it was something I randomly found with google |
| 04:15.20 | jonwil | just now |
| 04:15.25 | jonwil | seems like I found it before |
| 04:15.41 | jonwil | but forgot I found it (and discussed it in this channel) |
| 04:16.28 | jonwil | isi_info is higher level than the wirelessmodemapi stuff |
| 04:18.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 04:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ruby on Rails 10.09.2010 <-- that's a joke, no? |
| 04:27.00 | robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer05, huh? |
| 04:59.21 | jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373026#post1373026 |
| 04:59.34 | jonwil | Thats a good start for documenting the cellular services daemon dbus calls :) |
| 05:00.00 | jonwil | nothing new there really but its good to have it in the one place :) |
| 05:00.57 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: i can't ban and delete those whose accounts are >90 days (i did ban the user as a spambot). I can't also edit/delete posts+threads in sub-forums for which i am not a moderator. As of now the only sub-forums where i have privs are general, community, n9/950, meego/harmattan, n900 as well as the whole alternatives sub-forums. i used to have sailfish but when chemist re-jigged its location i lost privs. the thread which you |
| 05:00.58 | thedead1440 | deleted was in games; a sub-forum without any moderator. hence admin or super-mod privs required on such sub-forums. I have previously asked for the latter but was told not to ask for too much :D |
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| 05:13.00 | lexik_n900 | Maybe we can create a new section on TMO named "Neo900"? There are three threads about it, and it is probably going to be more |
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| 06:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a reasonable request |
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| 08:16.08 | mike-hun | hi there.have problems with the Rapuyama chip,i suspect,that is foobar.any way how to get a replacement? |
| 08:17.10 | mike-hun | it is in a n900,rx51 2104 uk |
| 08:17.58 | mike-hun | try to reball,but if I can't how to buy it? |
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| 08:23.51 | mike-hun | any idea?this rapuyama ic is the cellular modem. |
| 08:24.19 | mike-hun | saw this spring fixing method,but I'd like a permanent solution. |
| 08:25.16 | mike-hun | thank you for the answers. |
| 08:33.31 | kerio | mike-hun: i think your only chance is to buy a new n900 - and at that point, you might as well use it |
| 08:33.44 | kerio | i don't think anyone has ever been successful in reballing it |
| 08:34.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: *rapuyama reball poke* |
| 08:34.48 | Macer | is there a maemo fics client? |
| 08:35.06 | kerio | one of the linux ones maybe |
| 08:35.40 | Macer | hm. i looked on the repos. i dont see one |
| 08:35.46 | Macer | something with a front end |
| 08:35.51 | Macer | wow |
| 08:36.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure I ever seen bb5 chips for sale. For sure not nowadays |
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| 08:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | simply reflowing the chip might already help |
| 08:37.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it's wise to unsolder and reball rapuyama |
| 08:37.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw ir might as well be retu(?) |
| 08:37.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | it* |
| 08:39.27 | Macer | hm |
| 08:39.33 | Macer | miniature is in devel |
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| 09:20.17 | ds_shadof | Just bought new n900 32gb for about 200$. Is it good price? |
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| 09:20.55 | Apic | Yes. |
| 09:21.23 | Apic | I paid over 500€ IIRC Easter 2010 |
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| 09:24.28 | ds_shadof | uff, now i'm fine, definitely not overpayed |
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| 09:26.15 | Raimu | I bought mine for about $200 too |
| 09:26.22 | Raimu | Never regreg |
| 09:26.25 | Raimu | *regret |
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| 10:22.36 | sledges | hello |
| 10:22.44 | sledges | just got an n900 from a friend |
| 10:22.56 | Apic | Nice. |
| 10:23.01 | sledges | sadly it won't turn on |
| 10:23.12 | sledges | measured voltage across battery - 0.2... |
| 10:23.23 | sledges | LED shows green with USB plugged (with or without battery) |
| 10:23.33 | sledges | but battery won't charge itself.. |
| 10:23.52 | sledges | might be dead.. |
| 10:24.16 | sledges | any games I could play now before obtaining an external charger or new battery? |
| 10:24.33 | sledges | got a bench PSU could wire it up :) |
| 10:25.52 | sledges | also measured the battery connector pins on the phone - no juices from there either when USB plugged |
| 10:26.26 | sledges | either there's some logic to first read battery status and then start to charge it.. |
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| 10:26.35 | sledges | or charging itself is knackered |
| 10:26.42 | sledges | (remember, LED is always green, never seen it orange..) |
| 10:27.01 | sledges | will try to needle-pin probe when battery is inserted in a minute.. |
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| 10:34.57 | sledges | ok the voltage between pin 1 and pin 3 is 0.7V when battery is supposedly being charged |
| 10:35.10 | sledges | sorry |
| 10:35.15 | sledges | pin 2 (-) and pin 3 (no label) |
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| 10:40.05 | Pali | ~seen nicolai |
| 10:40.10 | infobot | Pali: i haven't seen 'nicolai' |
| 10:46.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((either there's some logic to first read battery status and then start to charge it..)) yep, exactly |
| 10:47.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | green LED however is weird |
| 10:47.43 | sledges | I'm tempted to clamp up a 3.7V PSU |
| 10:47.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead |
| 10:48.04 | sledges | too impatient to wait days for batteries/ext.chargers :) |
| 10:48.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | just watch out for the right pins! |
| 10:48.21 | sledges | thanks |
| 10:48.26 | sledges | i already mixed them up :D |
| 10:48.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | + is outer, - middle(!) contact |
| 10:48.45 | sledges | yes |
| 10:49.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | BSI: pin3 |
| 10:49.03 | sledges | the + and - measured 0.7 once battery in and usb plugged |
| 10:49.37 | sledges | BSI - sounds like logic part of my peugeot :D |
| 10:49.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and duh, you probably won't have much fun without a 75kR between BSI and - |
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| 10:50.18 | sledges | 75kΩ ? |
| 10:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 10:50.39 | sledges | right |
| 10:51.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you *could* slaughter your busted battery |
| 10:51.12 | sledges | thanks DocScrutinizer05 :) will see what's in the shed |
| 10:51.26 | sledges | (if I wire PSU with battery in? no, I won't go that way) |
| 10:51.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | remove cell |
| 10:51.39 | sledges | yup |
| 10:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | keep the protective circuit and 75kR |
| 10:52.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty easy to disassemble those batteries |
| 10:52.32 | sledges | understood |
| 10:52.42 | jon_y | n900 refuse to boot without 75KR? |
| 10:53.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 10:53.11 | sledges | pondering maybe battery is not dead, only charging circuit broken. need to wait for ext charger from a friend beforehand |
| 10:53.12 | jon_y | ok |
| 10:53.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0V7? DEADBEEF |
| 10:53.56 | sledges | oke 0xDEADBEEF then |
| 10:54.14 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: my battery is from 2010 |
| 10:54.16 | sledges | 0.2V when measured removed battery itself |
| 10:54.21 | jon_y | should I get a new one? |
| 10:54.30 | jon_y | or can it go on forever? |
| 10:54.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: dunno. Why? |
| 10:54.45 | sledges | 0.7V is phone's attempt to charge it. maybe it's phone's charging circuit not giving out more? |
| 10:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seen batteries that were 7 years old and in near perfect condition |
| 10:55.21 | jon_y | ok |
| 10:55.32 | jon_y | I was just wondering if it was considered old already |
| 10:55.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | sledges: the bq24150 probes battery during iirc 20ms, then throws error "no battery" or "broken" or whatever |
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| 10:57.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sledges: your constant green however might be a yellow with broken red LED |
| 10:59.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | sledges: anyway LiIon cells with <2V are considered dead and must not get recharged |
| 10:59.44 | sledges | DocScrutinizer05, time to gut-dissect it :) |
| 11:00.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, particularly since protective circuit might have cut out and cell voltage is actually still good |
| 11:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | but probably isn't |
| 11:01.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | prot circuit blocks charging when cell voltage too low |
| 11:01.30 | kerio | what happens if you try to charge a LiIon cell with <2V? |
| 11:01.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it also blocks discharging when cell voltage reaches lower limit, which is ~2.2..2.4V |
| 11:02.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: it might vent and catch fire |
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| 11:02.26 | kerio | D: |
| 11:02.29 | kerio | that's not good! |
| 11:02.51 | kerio | considering the protective circuit, how the hell do you get a BL-5J to 0.7V? |
| 11:03.06 | kerio | sledges: are you sure you measured between + and -? |
| 11:03.17 | sledges | kerio, measured all combos |
| 11:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | discharge to limit, then store away for months |
| 11:03.24 | sledges | + and - gives out 0.2 and now even less |
| 11:03.31 | sledges | once I removed prot circuit |
| 11:03.38 | sledges | and measured between terminals directly |
| 11:03.40 | sledges | it gives 0.04 |
| 11:05.46 | sledges | DocScrutinizer05, it has been stored away for months |
| 11:05.48 | sledges | &) |
| 11:06.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~batteryfaq |
| 11:06.06 | infobot | batteryfaq is probably http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers |
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| 11:18.33 | lexik_ntb | O.K. photos for neo900 are done. Now i'm going to edit them a little in photoshop (sorry, or gimp maybe) - then i will upload them, in my opinion they are better than the official Nokia photos :D [BIG THANKS TO MY MOM :D] |
| 11:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 11:23.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | lexik_ntb: just ideally don't spam the thread with lots of photos, rather create a new thread or post an URL only |
| 11:26.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | theard that have posts with huge [img][/img] embedded photos are a PITA to read on e.g. N900. Post that [quote] those posts with lots of [img] are a major annoyance |
| 11:27.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: could vBulletin learn to not quote [img] tags? |
| 11:28.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, it already doesn't quote [quote] |
| 11:29.33 | kerio | lexik_ntb: make an imgur album maybe |
| 11:29.53 | lexik_ntb | imgur is what im going to do |
| 11:30.22 | lexik_ntb | than i will send you the link and dos1 will upload it to neo900.org/photos |
| 11:35.25 | Pali | ~seen _nicolai_ |
| 11:35.27 | infobot | _nicolai_ <~nicolai@pop8-1810.catv.wtnet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 58d 17h 30m 18s ago, saying: 'merlin1991, please do so. It is for my "ledpulse" package. maemo package interface says: "old version cleaned ..." every 4 hourse. The newest version to import is ledpulse 0.3'. |
| 11:38.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ledpulse? |
| 11:39.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | only every 4h? pah! other packages hat that every 4 MINUTES |
| 11:39.39 | sledges | n900 just booted! |
| 11:39.43 | sledges | on PSU, thanks DocScrutinizer05 |
| 11:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 11:39.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 11:39.56 | sledges | now onto another 'minor' bit: display doesn't work |
| 11:39.56 | sledges | :D |
| 11:40.04 | sledges | will require some disassembling :) |
| 11:40.06 | kerio | won't bme complain eventually? |
| 11:40.10 | kerio | a PSU isn't quite like a battery |
| 11:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | sledges: once it booted, you can run it from USB |
| 11:40.17 | sledges | nice |
| 11:40.31 | sledges | can i launch a VNC or something? |
| 11:40.37 | sledges | to get around non-working display problem? |
| 11:40.42 | kerio | sledges: try the tv cable |
| 11:40.53 | kerio | or sure, install x11vnc |
| 11:40.59 | sledges | ok |
| 11:41.12 | sledges | hope usb networking works, and is relatively similar to that of n9 |
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| 11:41.21 | sledges | but "let's boot again" |
| 11:41.25 | sledges | like we did last summer :) |
| 11:42.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | fetches the saxophone |
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| 11:59.10 | sledges | sad, plugged USB in, right after it gets automounted under /run/media/simonas/Nokia N900 |
| 11:59.28 | sledges | it spits usb 1-1.4: USB disconnect, device number 110 |
| 11:59.47 | sledges | and then loops |
| 11:59.52 | sledges | over again |
| 12:00.28 | sledges | and when switched PSU off, juices from USB cable could not keep n900 alive <- DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 12:01.01 | sledges | LED is fine, now that I removed dead battery cell, it very briefly flashes orange upon USB connect |
| 12:01.18 | sledges | and when boots, has the nice gradient white at first, then "breathes" orange |
| 12:01.22 | sledges | during boot process |
| 12:01.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's ok |
| 12:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 |
| 12:02.30 | sledges | very n9 retro-reminiscenty ;) |
| 12:03.21 | sledges | understood the usb juices |
| 12:03.29 | sledges | but what about looping automount?.. |
| 12:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird |
| 12:04.28 | sledges | will try another PC |
| 12:04.34 | sledges | means its set on usb mass storage mode |
| 12:04.42 | sledges | does it interface usb eth altogether? |
| 12:05.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? |
| 12:06.04 | sledges | nvm :) |
| 12:06.28 | sledges | when loop problem goes away, i guess I'll have to use TV out cable to switch from usb mass storage mode to usb networking mode |
| 12:06.31 | sledges | so i could ssh into it |
| 12:06.38 | sledges | or connect to a wifi.. |
| 12:07.01 | kerio | get a real battery first |
| 12:07.10 | kerio | i feel that it's too awkward otherwise |
| 12:07.37 | sledges | kerio, any of those showstopper will prevent my from doing anything with it for next days anyway :{ |
| 12:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, powering by PSU is a perfect "battery" |
| 12:07.45 | sledges | just though I could get the max out ofų it today :) |
| 12:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's wrong with the display? |
| 12:09.17 | sledges | pitch black, no backlight nothing |
| 12:09.24 | sledges | need to get a screwdriver |
| 12:09.43 | sledges | but will leave this for later, or boss will start asking questions :)) |
| 12:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | FPC broken? |
| 12:15.31 | sledges | hope so |
| 12:15.45 | sledges | friend said he managed once to have booted even with display |
| 12:15.56 | sledges | did not give details though |
| 12:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that sounds like ribbon |
| 12:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | the really odd thing about OMAP3430: when FPC is broken, AV-out doesn't work either |
| 12:18.48 | sledges | good test |
| 12:19.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe just a kernel issue, when primary display device can't get initialized properly and thus the driver blows chunks and doesn't even start to init video framebuffer. |
| 12:20.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | It's known that even NOLO/kernel refuses to kick vibra when display flawed |
| 12:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly some sort of "beep code" |
| 12:21.14 | sledges | true |
| 12:21.20 | sledges | never felt vibra on startup |
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| 12:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, when my FPC was borked, I had very nasty artifacts on TV |
| 12:23.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | which can't be caused by driver not initializing video fb |
| 12:24.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea how that relates |
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| 12:33.07 | lexik_ntb | Here we go :) |
| 12:33.09 | lexik_ntb | http://imgur.com/a/rsbNt |
| 12:33.30 | lexik_ntb | these three photos are photoshoped |
| 12:33.58 | lexik_ntb | i can upload the other ones but they have some scratches on the screen etc. |
| 12:38.04 | kerio | lexik_ntb: goddammit that's a clean n900 |
| 12:38.18 | kerio | ok no it's not |
| 12:38.23 | kerio | but it's much cleaner than mine |
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| 12:43.20 | sledges | lexik_ntb, what does your mum do? :) |
| 12:43.47 | jon_y | cook the images |
| 12:46.04 | sledges | very nice photos |
| 12:47.12 | lexik_ntb | :D she helped me by landing a camera, these pictures will not be as good as they are when they will shooted by Nokia 5800XM :D |
| 12:48.14 | lexik_ntb | sledges: thanks :) |
| 12:49.02 | sledges | i like how you got rid of the shadows and scratchmarks |
| 13:01.46 | lexik_ntb | May i create the "Neo900 photos and propagation stuff" thread? :) |
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| 13:19.13 | lexik_ntb | A |
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| 13:19.17 | lexik_ntb | fooo |
| 13:19.22 | lexik_ntb | i hate that |
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| 13:35.39 | Shapeshi1ter | So, should I be using fremantle-1.3 or fremantle (talking about the extras/testing/devel repositories) |
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| 13:39.26 | Shapeshifter | Not that it mattered, because my HAM is broken... What a piece of shit, really. |
| 13:41.03 | Shapeshifter | Freshly flashed (vanilla & fiasco), first thing I did was restore a backup (everything but not "application list"), and then I installed CSSU (stable). Now I don't have any catalogues in HAM and I can't add any. Nothing happens when I add one, the list remains empty. If I click "done" it says "no catalogues in use". rootsh not installed yet, because I can't install it without any repos... |
| 13:41.55 | Shapeshifter | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list actually contains all of them, incl. extras, community and communty-testing but HAM doesn't see them. |
| 13:45.49 | lexik_ntb | can you install things via apt-get? |
| 13:46.00 | Shapeshifter | lexik_ntb: I don't have root access yet |
| 13:46.06 | goldkatze | Where to find a list of tricks, like [ctrl]+[arrow right] jumps one word, not just one character, or circle in browser zooms, and so forth? |
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| 13:46.11 | Shapeshifter | lexik_ntb: any other method of gaining root without rootsh installed? |
| 13:46.45 | Shapeshifter | I'm restarting the device, hoping that fixes it... |
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| 13:50.10 | Shapeshifter | yeah that fixed it. good ol' windows remedy #1 |
| 13:50.52 | jon_y | reboot? |
| 13:50.56 | Shapeshifter | yeah |
| 13:51.11 | jon_y | yeah since MS-DOS days |
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| 14:00.12 | spaak1 | goldkatze: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures |
| 14:00.23 | goldkatze | thanks! |
| 14:00.41 | spaak1 | welcome |
| 14:04.13 | ccxCZ | Pali: noted, though I hopefully won't need to test it in the near future :-] I used the official flasher to reflash rootfs which seemed to fix the system |
| 14:05.12 | ccxCZ | Pali: what I guess I'd appreciate more is more feature-rich initrd/rescueos so I could easily reformat rootfs and upload backup via rsync or something |
| 14:07.31 | Pali | due to nand/ubi/ubifs, only good way is to flash full ubifs image |
| 14:08.01 | Pali | so no support for rsync |
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| 15:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: are you sure you have clicked the CSSU icon in appstarter? |
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| 16:01.47 | lexik_ntb | dos1: can you please upload these photos to neo900.org/photos? >> http://imgur.com/a/rsbNt |
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| 16:13.37 | dos1 | lexik_ntb: sure, will do! thanks :) |
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| 16:19.30 | dos1 | lexik_ntb: is 1000px wide original resolution, or rescaled by imgur? |
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| 16:27.35 | lexik_ntb | that's original, if it is not enough, i can give you the original .tif which is much better |
| 16:28.00 | lexik_ntb | lol.. |
| 16:28.18 | lexik_ntb | it is not original but it is not rescaled by imgur ;) |
| 16:32.21 | lexik_ntb | dos1: i will zip them and upload them somewhere ;) |
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| 16:39.10 | dos1 | ok |
| 16:39.35 | dos1 | lexik_ntb: i can give you direct ftp account if you want |
| 16:43.16 | lexik_ntb | that will be great.. i will upload more photos, thanks. |
| 16:44.35 | lexik_ntb | *would |
| 16:44.58 | lexik_ntb | ooh yeah, my awesome english! |
| 16:47.12 | dos1 | my isn't better ;) |
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| 20:05.38 | Pali | what do you think, can NSA have backdoor in rijndael cipher (selected as AES)? |
| 20:06.03 | Wizzup | backdoor sounds silly. |
| 20:06.13 | Wizzup | but they may be able to crack some older keys |
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| 20:08.10 | raccoon_ | they seem to have reached the feasibility of cracking 1024 bit keys in a few hours |
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| 20:09.12 | raccoon_ | (RSA) |
| 20:09.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | won't help them when using PFS |
| 20:09.57 | Wizzup | just get a 4096 bit key |
| 20:09.59 | Wizzup | should be okay for now. |
| 20:10.52 | raccoon_ | yup |
| 20:13.11 | Pali | Wizzup: it sounds silly, but america selected Rijndael as AES standard... |
| 20:13.40 | Wizzup | yes, and it was developed by belgians |
| 20:13.45 | Wizzup | and some dutch ppl iirc |
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| 20:14.52 | Pali | yes, but now I do not trust anything which comes from NSA... |
| 20:16.29 | Wizzup | Time to switch to Oppan BSD |
| 20:16.33 | Wizzup | Oppan BSD Style! |
| 20:16.41 | Wizzup | but forgot about smp support |
| 20:16.42 | Wizzup | ;-) |
| 20:16.44 | Wizzup | forget* |
| 20:17.21 | quackquack1 | Pali, RC4 decryption algorithm has been leaked ages ago |
| 20:17.32 | Pali | why was selected Rijndael and not Serpent? Now I cannot find info about it... |
| 20:17.51 | quackquack1 | Pali, RC4? |
| 20:17.58 | Pali | AES |
| 20:18.37 | quackquack1 | oh imho there are no known cryptanalysis method in the wild/zoo except brute force. |
| 20:18.41 | quackquack1 | i may be wrong. |
| 20:19.08 | quackquack1 | someone with crypto in-depth can help i have little knowledge |
| 20:21.33 | NIN101 | Pali: from what i read, Rijndael was selected because of it's speed... |
| 20:21.54 | Wizzup | not just speed. |
| 20:22.07 | Wizzup | but also because of the fact you don't need seperate hardwar for encrypt and decrypt |
| 20:23.33 | quackquack1 | fpga's asic's can really do it fast. |
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| 20:59.26 | Shapeshifter | This Neo900 business... |
| 20:59.32 | Shapeshifter | Very skeptical. |
| 21:00.49 | Wizzup | but exciting! |
| 21:02.00 | Shapeshifter | What kernel is it going to run? If I understood this correctly, it's supposed to run fremantle. Which is a bit of joke. The distro is ancient! |
| 21:02.19 | Wizzup | it will have a recent kernel. |
| 21:02.24 | dos1 | Shapeshifter: it's supposed to run any free distro you want |
| 21:02.25 | Wizzup | perhaps read more and less sceptisism |
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| 21:02.57 | dos1 | QtMoko, SHR, Debian - compatibility from day 0, as they already work on GTA04 |
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| 21:03.10 | Shapeshifter | Aha. |
| 21:03.11 | dos1 | and there will be Fremantle port |
| 21:03.50 | Shapeshifter | I wonder if it could run sailfish |
| 21:04.12 | dos1 | which I hope will bring some new life into replacing closed blobs effort |
| 21:04.47 | dos1 | so in long run Fremantle will be able to get some modern, free grounds |
| 21:04.56 | Shapeshifter | jeez 700 euros is steep though. |
| 21:05.19 | Shapeshifter | but I suppose it's fair in case it actually lives up. |
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| 21:06.37 | dos1 | yeah, you can't go cheaper with such low production runs |
| 21:06.48 | dos1 | we hope for something about 200-300 orders |
| 21:06.58 | bennypr0fane | make an estimate: how long does it take for N900 (thumbed, not overclocked), to copy a total of 1650 mp3 files, total size: 12,5GB, from a normal-speed microSDcard to its flash memory? |
| 21:07.06 | dos1 | if there will be more zeros at the end, it will be much cheaper ;) |
| 21:08.14 | Wizzup | bennypr0fane: the only real thing that matters is microsd card read speed and flash-memory write speed. |
| 21:08.30 | bennypr0fane | Wizzup, what about ram? |
| 21:08.37 | Wizzup | why would it matter |
| 21:09.11 | wmarone | RAM won't help in that situation, Wizzup already noted the primary bottlenecks |
| 21:09.12 | bennypr0fane | because there'll be a lot of shovelling going on there, no? |
| 21:09.13 | ShadowJK | In the default config: ages |
| 21:09.37 | Wizzup | I would just leave the music on the microsd card, btw. |
| 21:09.45 | Wizzup | Save both size and your expensive mmc |
| 21:09.48 | bennypr0fane | the MicroSD is class 4 |
| 21:09.56 | Wizzup | yeah, they are fast enough to read from in mediaplayer |
| 21:10.00 | Wizzup | don't waste mmc on it |
| 21:10.01 | ShadowJK | on my N900: less than 40 minutes |
| 21:10.11 | bennypr0fane | ShadowJK, um, what? |
| 21:10.15 | bennypr0fane | no way |
| 21:11.01 | Shapeshifter | dos1: The GTA04 board looks very different from an N900 board. Who's designing the layout? |
| 21:11.40 | dos1 | Shapeshifter: Golden Delicious, probably together with DocScrutinizer05 :P |
| 21:11.50 | bennypr0fane | actually, I wanted to transfer the files from one sdcard to another one I meant to put in N900, just using N900 as the computer for this operation |
| 21:12.30 | quackquack1 | which gsm module? |
| 21:12.39 | quackquack1 | and is the gsm stack open? |
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| 21:13.22 | dos1 | quackquack1: Option, as mentioned in the post |
| 21:13.42 | dos1 | used stack will probably be FSO (freesmartphone.org), as it already works nicely on GTA04 |
| 21:13.50 | dos1 | and it's free |
| 21:13.56 | dos1 | as the name suggests ;) |
| 21:13.57 | quackquack1 | cool |
| 21:14.14 | bennypr0fane | anyway, I started the operation around 4:30 before going to school. Now I'm back, it's a little 11:00, and it still ain't done (~1250 of 1650) |
| 21:14.21 | quackquack1 | and chipset? i havent looked into the project. |
| 21:14.42 | dos1 | for Fremantle port we'll have to RE dbus interfaces of currect maemos CSD, to implement some CSD-FSO bridge |
| 21:14.44 | dos1 | ~neo900 |
| 21:14.44 | infobot | well, neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 |
| 21:14.48 | bennypr0fane | ...and it just flunked out with an error |
| 21:14.49 | dos1 | or http://neo900.org/ |
| 21:15.00 | quackquack1 | one moment |
| 21:15.18 | bennypr0fane | and here I was thinking It'd be done by the first break |
| 21:16.25 | quackquack1 | gets ready to prebook |
| 21:16.35 | quackquack1 | advance booking please. xD |
| 21:17.14 | dos1 | buyers patience is adviced :) |
| 21:17.30 | quackquack1 | okay |
| 21:17.37 | quackquack1 | takes the chill pill |
| 21:18.18 | quackquack1 | by the way can we write our own x-loader? |
| 21:18.19 | dos1 | we'll probably go with some crowdfunding soon, to pay for prototypes |
| 21:18.32 | quackquack1 | i mean i am planning to port coreboot to n900. |
| 21:18.54 | quackquack1 | so if there is any need for porting coreboot to this device? count me in. |
| 21:19.10 | dos1 | quackquack1: of course you can, bootloader is easily replacable |
| 21:19.51 | quackquack1 | dos1, not the x-loader but coreboot from www.coreboot.org |
| 21:20.27 | dos1 | stuff like that won't differ from GTA04, which except GPU acceleration and WiFi firmware is 100% free |
| 21:21.06 | quackquack1 | afaik its non HS chipset |
| 21:21.13 | quackquack1 | in GTA04 am i right? |
| 21:21.44 | ShadowJK | bennypr0fane; tested with 2 gigs of mp3s (dont have more free space), and it looks more like 60m for me |
| 21:21.57 | ShadowJK | (for 12.5g) |
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| 21:22.30 | quackquack1 | if the BL1 (boot loader 1 st stage) is not encrypted then we can very well port coreboot as initial bootloader, dos1 |
| 21:22.39 | dos1 | quackquack1: everything in GTA04 is unlocked, so I guess it's not HS - it would be pretty pointless :P |
| 21:22.51 | quackquack1 | cool then |
| 21:23.03 | quackquack1 | i will download the document and start working. |
| 21:29.00 | Shapeshifter | dos1: is there no free wifi chip out there? |
| 21:29.09 | Shapeshifter | I'm not surprised about the GPU |
| 21:29.41 | dos1 | dunno. Maybe only that one was easily available in low volumes |
| 21:30.07 | dos1 | maybe in Neo900 there will be some free one |
| 21:30.08 | bennypr0fane | ShadowJK, turns it was actually less than 8GB, not done after 6 hours! |
| 21:30.09 | dos1 | or not, we'll see |
| 21:31.11 | Shapeshifter | I'm still very pessimistic. |
| 21:31.39 | Shapeshifter | We'll see indeed. |
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| 21:50.27 | dos1 | replacement for Nokia's hands video on boot for Neo900 - what do you think? :D |
| 21:50.29 | dos1 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iWEN70-UWs |
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| 22:01.17 | zammy | well dos1 shall we all move to openphoenux channel? |
| 22:02.54 | dos1 | there's none; but well, it's going to be umbrella project for Maemo phone |
| 22:03.02 | dos1 | I guess any Neo900 talk can stay here :P |
| 22:03.08 | zammy | LTE modem really? |
| 22:03.44 | dos1 | yup, seems to be pretty possible :) |
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| 22:06.33 | dos1 | probably there will be choice for either 3.5G or 4G modem |
| 22:07.05 | dos1 | as Option GTM601 (3.5G) and GTM801 (4G) are pin-compatible |
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| 22:07.23 | dos1 | so if you don't need 4G you can save few bucks on it |
| 22:09.26 | zammy | I am really happy then |
| 22:10.29 | dos1 | please see the TMO thread and vote in the poll! :) |
| 22:16.55 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: https://blogs.fsfe.org/pboddie/?p=430 :) |
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