| 00:01.21 | cybertheque | many thanks to ecc3g |
| 00:03.29 | ecc3g | I really should make my n900 "phone home" when it receives a SMS. |
| 00:04.30 | ecc3g | if only t-mobile didn't do NAT... |
| 00:05.41 | robbiethe1st | Why does that matter? |
| 00:05.53 | cybertheque | success |
| 00:06.11 | robbiethe1st | You can always have it load a page on your website, and run commands found therein |
| 00:06.53 | robbiethe1st | At that point, if you need it, you can do a reverse SSH connection |
| 00:06.54 | ecc3g | i was thinking of just making it ssh back to my server, if it didn't do nat I'd just have it do dyndns. |
| 00:07.11 | cybertheque | using that list of boot args, i booted the 2.6.28.10maemo-omap1 kernel over usb, which had not worked before. |
| 00:08.51 | cybertheque | fwiw, i have t-mobile on a blackberry and get a public ip - many ports are blocked but i have never seen nat. |
| 00:09.37 | Macer | freemangordon: looks like it is fb's xmpp server. finch doesn't work either ;) |
| 00:09.38 | ecc3g | odd, the ipaddr i get on my t-mobile is different than the one i see connecting to my server - so nat happened |
| 00:09.43 | Macer | ah well. looks like i'm just fked with fb heh |
| 00:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you will love NAT once you see massive ping flood sucking your battery |
| 00:12.22 | ecc3g | yes, there are tradeoffs to both, but dynamic IP also helps against that too |
| 00:14.33 | ecc3g | actually the ipaddr I got is on a /32 ... ha. |
| 00:15.37 | ecc3g | so i guess there's no way for even someone on t-mobile to do phantom battery draw... |
| 00:16.03 | ecc3g | (other than possibly someone who works for t-mobile) |
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| 01:10.35 | cybertheque | for the chatlog record: kernel 2.6.28.10maemo-omap1 kernel boot parameters: init=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6 |
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| 01:28.42 | Tamz | 32gb micro sdhc won't work with my n810 |
| 01:29.12 | mashina | i thought n810 took fukl size sd |
| 01:29.58 | mashina | and my n800 has a 32gb in the interfnal slot, works fine |
| 01:32.05 | Tamz | i'm using a mini sd adapter, perhaps the slot is just broken as it's recognised by an android phone |
| 01:32.23 | mashina | what filesystem |
| 01:32.39 | Tamz | fat32 |
| 01:37.11 | Tamz | btw i tried all my class 10 cards in there before and no luck (probably too modern), class 6 is supposed to but never mind. will try ext format or whatever |
| 01:37.59 | robbiethe1st | Could be broken |
| 01:38.45 | Tamz | Yes possibly was 2nd hand |
| 01:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Tamz: check dmesg/syslog |
| 01:51.22 | Tamz | ok thanks |
| 01:51.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Tamz: what about <=16GB cards?` |
| 01:52.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | also check your adapter, they often are outright crap |
| 01:56.46 | Tamz | no 4gb card does'nt work, except once when held in with stylus it said card not formatted |
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| 02:43.12 | ShadowJK | I use UHS-I card in my N800 |
| 02:43.26 | ShadowJK | N800 |
| 02:44.23 | ShadowJK | oh he's not here anymore |
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| 08:38.30 | Vibe | hi |
| 08:39.17 | Vibe | how I can choose on n900 to what wlan to connect automatically? |
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| 08:43.55 | Pali | Vibe: in settings open internet connection and set here auto connect |
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| 08:48.20 | Vibe | Pali: hmm cant find autoconnect anywhere |
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| 09:30.51 | Pali | Vibe: in settings these is interet connection button |
| 09:31.12 | Pali | and there is checkbox for auto scan/connect wifi networks |
| 09:31.24 | Pali | (with configurable minute timeout) |
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| 09:45.15 | Macer | so |
| 09:45.24 | Macer | for the distrivution |
| 09:45.35 | Macer | do we put fremantle-13? |
| 09:45.50 | Macer | ~repo |
| 09:45.51 | infobot | The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications |
| 09:46.01 | Macer | uhm |
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| 09:55.36 | Macer | so it is just extras that should use fremantle-1.3 for the distribution? |
| 09:55.42 | Macer | or all maemo.org repos? |
| 09:56.47 | Macer | and does this mean the non maemo.org repos (merlin's) will be eliminated? |
| 10:00.46 | merlin1991 | Macer: my repo will stay up |
| 10:01.04 | merlin1991 | and yep technically you should use fremantle-1.3 on extras, but in the end you can simply use fremantle |
| 10:02.45 | Macer | ok |
| 10:02.47 | Macer | thanks |
| 10:03.13 | Macer | i was just installing sociality and needed newer q-extras and libqjson |
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| 10:03.21 | Macer | too bad nobody is working on it |
| 10:03.29 | Macer | fb chat is borked in it as well |
| 10:03.36 | Macer | guess fb changed their stuff |
| 10:03.46 | Macer | so telepathy/conversations is broken |
| 10:03.49 | Vibe | Pali: it doesn't have :o |
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| 10:04.10 | Macer | quite a few xmpp clients dont seem to work with it |
| 10:05.23 | Macer | too bad |
| 10:05.28 | Macer | looks like an awesome fb client heh |
| 10:05.32 | Pali | Viber: open application menu --> settings -> internet connection: and there choose "connect automatically" and select WLAN and choose some interval |
| 10:05.47 | Pali | this option is *there* I looked right now on my n900 |
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| 10:13.05 | Macer | damn. sociality is such a good client |
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| 17:36.04 | ShadowJK | So I did wonder how mozilla/firefox would get boot-to-gecko usable on 256M ram |
| 17:36.14 | ShadowJK | Now I know from first hand experience, they didn't |
| 17:42.33 | beford | :) what phone did you test? |
| 17:43.42 | ShadowJK | zte open |
| 17:43.52 | beford | I've got a keon with 512 MB of RAM and can only imagine the terrible it could be with 256 |
| 17:44.12 | ShadowJK | There are basic issues like some webpages not being either scrollable or zoomable |
| 17:44.39 | ShadowJK | and the now-common website "This page uses cookies, click here to accept" popups can't be dismissed and cover up the screen :) |
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| 18:19.20 | zacharias | Hey, folks. I just installed CSSU-thumb and now hildon-desktop keeps segfaulting. |
| 18:20.00 | freemangordon | opent xterm and check /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transittions.ini |
| 18:20.05 | freemangordon | *open |
| 18:20.45 | zacharias | Grmpf. There's none. I made a backup of mine before updating… |
| 18:21.05 | freemangordon | zacharias: it is "transitions.ini", I mistyped it |
| 18:21.32 | freemangordon | zacharias: do apt-get install --reinstall hildon-desktop |
| 18:21.51 | freemangordon | and choose "use maintainer..." when asked |
| 18:23.20 | zacharias | Aaah, thank you very much. |
| 18:23.36 | zacharias | Everything back to normal, AFAICT. |
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| 18:23.58 | freemangordon | zacharias: make sure you don't have "cssu-transitions-whatever" and similar crap installed |
| 18:24.42 | freemangordon | those are not updated since long ago and are incompatible with hidon-desktop for a while |
| 18:26.07 | zacharias | freemangordon: Nope, none there. |
| 18:26.29 | zacharias | freemangordon: Many thanks! |
| 18:27.23 | freemangordon | zacharias: np |
| 18:27.39 | sixwheeledbeast | or theme-customizer |
| 18:27.48 | freemangordon | yeah, that one too |
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| 19:15.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1370626&postcount=101 |
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| 19:20.07 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, his fault? |
| 19:20.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah!! |
| 19:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | just pointing you at the location where I last seen his name |
| 19:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems ok |
| 19:21.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | judging by his projects |
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| 21:17.40 | wotan147 | people I try to compile a QT application in command line for maemo5 from ubuntu |
| 21:17.49 | wotan147 | it says Could not find mkspecs for your QMAKESPEC(linux-g++-maemo5) after trying: |
| 21:18.07 | wotan147 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.16 | wotan147 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.21 | wotan147 | anyone an idea? |
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| 22:31.24 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: from translated comment about Neo900 on some russian site: |
| 22:31.46 | dos1 | "I want, I want, where to write so I got? the link to the maemo.org registration is closed: ( " |
| 22:33.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 22:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | he couldn't do much with his tmo registration either |
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| 22:34.33 | dos1 | http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=37838 |
| 22:35.10 | dos1 | 114 comments |
| 22:36.49 | dos1 | of course most of them flaming about "why not SGS/Android" or N900/Linux phones in general |
| 22:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | as usual |
| 22:38.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you give them a pimped up VW beetle, they ask "why not a rolls royce" |
| 22:38.53 | dos1 | I wonder about all those negative opinions about N900s stability as a daily phone |
| 22:39.15 | dos1 | they make me want to shout "try using Freerunner instead!" :D |
| 22:39.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, those are idiots who want a phone where you can mess with everything but nothing has any consequence |
| 22:40.08 | dos1 | right |
| 22:41.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using N900 as a daily phone since, err 4 years now? And I never faced any reliability problems |
| 22:41.41 | dos1 | recently I noticed that almost all of most annoying sw bugs on my gta02 were in fact introduced by myself when I last played with the OS few months ago... |
| 22:42.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | usual |
| 22:42.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and common |
| 22:43.57 | dos1 | it smelled fishy that it lost date on every restart... I knew that RTC battery is borked, so I automaticaly attributed it to that |
| 22:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and almost a familiar effect, though I don't want to start rants now |
| 22:44.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, only when you remove the main battery |
| 22:45.08 | dos1 | yeah... now I realise that... after enabling hwclock.sh initscript :D |
| 22:45.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | the PCF50533 should power the cmos clock from main as long as available |
| 22:45.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 22:45.48 | dos1 | I wonder why the hell I have disabled that at the first place |
| 22:46.14 | dos1 | I recall playing with bootchart and trying to speed up booting a bit... it might be that ;) |
| 22:46.33 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 22:46.51 | ShadowJK | For me, "every restart" is once or twice a month |
| 22:47.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: just make sure that a) it doesn't use adjfile and b) you don't call it on system shutdown |
| 22:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: same here |
| 22:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032# uptime |
| 22:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.47 | dos1 | with lots of small annoying bugs like that, sometimes it was faster to just reboot when I actually wanted to use a phone :P |
| 22:50.40 | dos1 | most of them were either created by me, or already fixed for a long time, but for some reason I had versions without fixes |
| 22:51.36 | dos1 | for last few days, since I finally took care of it, it's been pretty stable |
| 22:52.19 | ShadowJK | If you want slow, I just obtained a firefoxos phone ;-) |
| 22:52.47 | dos1 | I have a Freerunner |
| 22:52.53 | dos1 | I don't think you can beat that :) |
| 22:53.17 | dos1 | well, maybe if you put firefox os ON freerunner... |
| 22:53.38 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 22:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask microsoft, they offer a OS for every usecase that's always just enough to make the system slow |
| 22:54.11 | ShadowJK | Actually, some websites are faster on the firefox phone, but for my usual morning breakfast routing "Read the news sites", it's way slower |
| 22:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you get faster hardware, just ask them for an update |
| 22:54.21 | ShadowJK | routine* |
| 22:55.09 | dos1 | but well... gta02 performance issues made openmoko distros to be amazingly fast on anything more modern |
| 22:55.31 | dos1 | on n900 SHR was booting in few seconds when I played with it :D |
| 22:56.51 | dos1 | and boot time dramatically improved even on gta02 since that... I wonder how (and if) it works now on N900 |
| 22:57.23 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 22:57.52 | ShadowJK | "Time to load news.bbc.co.uk" used to be a measure of performance I personally used |
| 22:58.31 | dos1 | does using links on gta02 count? :) |
| 22:59.06 | ShadowJK | no :) |
| 22:59.41 | dos1 | i dunno if i have any other browser there right now :D |
| 23:01.07 | dos1 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI |
| 23:01.25 | dos1 | good old times... |
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| 23:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually SHR is awesome, in a certain way |
| 23:10.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | now teach it to zeroclock and it might become usable ;-) |
| 23:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | that suspend-to-ram nonsense been evil dark legacy from S3C2442 times |
| 23:11.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | even S3C2410 |
| 23:11.29 | dos1 | what would be needed to teach it that? just making sure that nothing is hogging cpu when idle? |
| 23:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | err yup, basically. Plus a few kernel patches iirc |
| 23:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOTICK one of them |
| 23:12.18 | dos1 | disabling suspend is just a one change in one config file |
| 23:12.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you need to have a look at freq-governor |
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| 23:13.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and get the TI OMAP kernel patches |
| 23:14.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | though iirc larsc(?) said you're already using PM kernel |
| 23:16.35 | ShadowJK | the s3c64xx datasheet atleast makes it look like a chip not very suitable for cellphones |
| 23:17.02 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: current meta-smartphone has this one: https://github.com/shr-distribution/linux/tree/nokia900/2.6.37/57.1 |
| 23:18.49 | dos1 | CONFIG_NO_HZ=y |
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| 23:20.04 | dos1 | same for gta04 (om-gta04/3.4/master branch) |
| 23:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | uname? PM? |
| 23:22.39 | dos1 | dunno how to check that without the devices |
| 23:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
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| 23:23.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep your #om-devel chanlog |
| 23:25.01 | dos1 | "see PM", "check PM", "you should PM me" :) |
| 23:25.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 23:27.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | can you search regex? then maybe something like linux.*PM could help |
| 23:28.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or GNU/Linux |
| 23:28.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | armv7l |
| 23:28.44 | dos1 | Linux om-gta04 3.4.9 #1 PREEMPT Tue Nov 13 00:07:03 CET 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 23:28.50 | dos1 | Linux nokia900 2.6.37 #1 PREEMPT Tue Apr 3 10:48:32 CEST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 23:29.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 23:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm absolutely sure somebody mentioned PM kernel, since I wondered if he meant MP |
| 23:31.54 | dos1 | I dunno, I don't know much about what was happening recently (something like past year), especially about n900 or gta04 |
| 23:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe just ask your kernel dudes |
| 23:34.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope we'll reach the 300 votes this weekend |
| 23:35.15 | dos1 | fix registration and you'll get some russian votes :D |
| 23:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | seen http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1372405&postcount=107 ? |
| 23:37.21 | dos1 | I've seen it, but people coming via links straight into neo900 thread probably haven't and won't |
| 23:37.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 23:38.00 | dos1 | maybe put static page with link to it in place of register.php? :D |
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| 23:38.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might fix the register.php to include a link to that post |
| 23:38.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-P |
| 23:40.33 | dos1 | ok, going to sleep, i'll try to research that kernel pm thingy tomorrow |
| 23:40.34 | dos1 | gn |
| 23:44.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | done |
| 23:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | gn dos1 |
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