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00:28.46DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: I don't know
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00:30.14Mike11hey people :)
00:30.16Mike11I have a Nokia n900 phone, I am trying to compile a simple hello world c program
00:30.16Mike11I intalled gcc-4.6 package using "apt-get install gcc-4.6"
00:30.35Mike11but whenver I try to compile, it says:
00:31.02DocScrutinizer05out of memory
00:31.16Mike11gcc-4.6: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory
00:32.13DocScrutinizer05you're not supposed to install gcc and related binutils and libs needed to form a working build environment, on N900 rootfs
00:32.31Mike11where should I intall that??
00:32.37Mike11install*
00:32.44Mike11I used apt-get
00:33.37DocScrutinizer05basically development on target platform isn't supported. some hackers achieved to do it nevertheless, but they usually use a chroot to some more beefy location on device
00:33.58DocScrutinizer05check out easidebian
00:34.02DocScrutinizer05easy* even
00:34.17Mike11then what is the gcc-4.6 I installed for??
00:34.30Mike11I thought it was for on-device development!
00:34.45DocScrutinizer05the recommended way to develop for maemo is on PC in a scratchbox environment
00:35.16Mike11thanks DocScrutinizer05:
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00:35.44RiDisn't this the weirdo ^
00:35.55DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5
00:36.14ShadowJKbuild?dash?essential?
00:36.16Mike11does easydebian come with a compiler??
00:36.17DocScrutinizer05ooops
00:36.39Mike11sorry, I am new to n900 :(
00:37.43DocScrutinizer05damn, that's some nice mess on maemo.org
00:37.57DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ is more like it but it links to nokia.com
00:39.10Mike11DocScrutinizer05: I am wondering what the gcc-4.6 package is for??!?!
00:39.56DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide  here you are
00:40.59DocScrutinizer05somebody seriously should clean up that stuff, even I - while knowing what I looked for - wasn't able to find my way
00:41.53Mike11do u recommend maemo sdk on the link on nokia.com??
00:44.05DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK
00:45.10DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation
00:46.11DocScrutinizer05Mike11: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK#Writing_GUI_Hello_World
00:47.34Mike11DocScrutinizer05: thanks for your help :), that link is really helpful :)
00:48.14Mike11DocScrutinizer05: Just Missing what the gcc-4.6 package I installed use for??
00:48.43Mike11DocScrutinizer05: If it can't compile, then what is it used for!!
00:49.09DocScrutinizer05you for sure *can* compile, you just need to know _how_
00:50.39Mike11I read that I have to configure gcc to the directory 'as' is located in
00:50.43DocScrutinizer05I'd rather wonder what for we got an asterisk package. I wouldn't think it's really reasonable idea to run a VoIP server on the N900
00:50.51Mike11'as' is the assembler that gcc uses
00:51.00Mike11as I could understand
00:51.07DocScrutinizer05yes
00:51.37Mike11they suggested using "whereis" linux command to look for 'as'
00:51.49Mike11but whereis isn't available on n900
00:52.01Mike11so how can I locate 'as'??!
00:52.39Mike11lol haven't seen the asterisk package before, haha :)
00:53.28DocScrutinizer05you probably shouldn't consider running gcc on N900 until you made more familiar with maemo, maemo SDK, and linux in general
00:54.18Mike11Ok, thanks for your help DocScrutinizer05: I will work on that :)
00:54.25DocScrutinizer05yw
00:55.29DocScrutinizer05also check out "madde", I don't know if it works, but...
00:55.51DocScrutinizer05if it works then maybe it's more convenient for maemo beginners than scratchbox
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11:28.11freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: the more I think, the more I am convinced that Neo900 should use the main camera from N900. The reason being the SW part - I am almost sure we won;t be able to be on par with Nokia image processing algos. Or at least I don;t see who can make that happen in the community
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11:46.35qwazixfreemangordon, mean swapping the cameras with old cameras from discarded N900's? maybe the camera is the same part as the N95? That could provide more stock
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11:49.56qwazixfreemangordon, DocScrutinizer05 http://www.pds.com.gr/index.asp?mod=eshop_item&ID=51&p=10315
11:50.58qwazixit's out of stock but look at how many phones had this same camera, should be easy to find them
11:52.23qwazixalso http://www.mytrendyphone.com/shop/original-nokia-n82-8230p.html
11:52.35qwazixthis one claims to have it in stock
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11:56.01freemangordonqwazix: no matter if using old or new, I am really concerned about the quality of images/videos if neo900 is using a different module
11:57.34LjL-Alps_freemangordon, isn't FCam a full replacement for the N900 camera stack? or only part of it?
11:57.38qwazix:nod:
11:57.46qwazixthis also: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Nokia-N95-Camera-5-Megapixel-Flex-Cable-UK-/290698886117?pt=UK_Mobiles_Accessories_RL&hash=item43af00fbe5
11:58.18qwazixI remember the N900 camera sitting directly on the board without flex cable, but the connectors might well be behind that alu part...
11:58.25freemangordonLjL-Alps_: we have a closed daemon, omapcamd (or something) which does all the image processing
11:58.34freemangordonafaik
11:59.06freemangordonNFC if fcam drivers replace that
11:59.26LjL-Alps_i don't really know either, but in the About it says "a fully open source camera implementation"
11:59.53freemangordoncould be
12:00.03freemangordonbut is is still made for n900 camera
12:00.07freemangordon*it is
12:00.41LjL-Alps_well sure, but it shows they could make a respectable open source implementation, even with HDR and stuff
12:01.02freemangordon"could" is not the same as "will"
12:02.23LjL-Alps_well, i'd personally rather have something fully open that i know i could try improving myself, or that there's no hindrances to improving anyway, over something "working" but that can't be touched... but i guess that's just a small part of the main issue i'd have with the Neo900
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12:18.55DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: (sw img algos) absolutely
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12:20.06RST38hmoos
12:20.10DocScrutinizer05qwazix: yeah, 60EUR :-S
12:22.55DocScrutinizer05I *think* I've seen it for ~50EUR too. But that will add almost 100EUR to the end price
12:23.11DocScrutinizer05since we also need the socket
12:24.58qwazixI found much cheaper N95 camera modules, I just posted that as a reference to a claim that N95camera == N900 camera
12:25.06qwazixfor example this -> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kamera-Camera-Cam-Modul-Kameramodul-Linse-Lens-fur-Nokia-N95-N82-N95-8GB-/170776642949?pt=DE_Handy_Organizer_Ersatzteile_Werkzeuge&hash=item27c314c585
12:25.56RST38hDoc: Anything new and exciting?
12:26.17DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
12:26.27qwazixdoesn't sound exciting :P
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12:28.50DocScrutinizer053% storage in repo VM
12:29.29DocScrutinizer05200 votes on
12:29.32DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
12:29.34freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hmm? echan?
12:29.55DocScrutinizer05not really, RST38h asked for new stuff that excites me
12:30.08qwazixor even http://www.ebay.com/itm/Camera-Part-For-NOKIA-N95-Replacement-/280966345953?pt=US_Cell_Phone_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item416ae634e1
12:30.15qwazixand I stop spamming the channel
12:30.24DocScrutinizer05nah, welcome
12:30.49DocScrutinizer05it's obviously compatible to N95 etc pp according to your 1st post
12:31.02DocScrutinizer05now THAT is good news
12:31.11qwazixexcept if that site has it all wrong, which I doubt
12:31.43qwazixas all specs are the same, sample pics look exactly the same and size is about the same (IIRC)
12:32.19qwazixthe only difference is the flex cable, which we might be able to just remove
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12:43.44RST38hDoc: You do recognize that it is a futile affair?
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12:46.09RST38hAlso, 600 euros for an OMAP3 motherboard with 512MB RAM?
12:46.28RST38hMay I suggest a shiny brand new Samsung instead? =)
12:46.55jon_ytruth, it is more than my monthly pay
12:47.05dos1RST38h: and then 1600 euros? ;]
12:51.54RST38hdos1: 1600e for what?
12:52.18dos1RST38h: for a Neo900 with shiny brand new Samsung chipsets
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13:09.57RST38hdos1: You can write "Neo900" on the back of that Samsung Galaxy with a market, if you like so
13:10.07RST38hs/market/marker/
13:10.19dos1RST38h: so you think Samsung Galaxy is an open platform?
13:10.29RST38hAnd run Ubuntu Mobile or Firefox OS or whatever
13:10.43RST38hdos1: It is open enough for people to release their own firmware for it
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13:11.29dos1can I see schematics? can I replace bootloader? can I request additional contact pads from Samsung to make my awesome hardware mod easier?
13:12.01dos1RST38h: yeah, "own firmware". On top of Android.
13:13.18RST38hdunno about schematics (but suspect that you will find them in the Exynos datasheet), but yes, you can apparently replace the bootloader
13:13.53RST38hI think you can also request additional GPIO bits from Samsung, as long as you buy 100000-20000 SoC chips from them
13:14.08RST38hPretty much the same applied to TI when you buy OMAP3 (used in Neo900)
13:15.07RST38hstarts suspecting the "open platform" thing is some kind of fetish defined differently by different people
13:15.24LjL-Alpshow do you find the N900's earphones?
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13:16.44dos1RST38h: open platform is something where I don't have to break any security in order to do what I want
13:17.01dos1where you can't loose your warrianty for just playing with software
13:17.05LjL-AlpsRST38h: just because there is currently no open platform phone, doesn't mean it's so hard to define
13:17.28dos1where "jailbreaking" does not exist
13:17.47LjL-Alpsand where the firmware blobs come with source
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13:18.07dos1and as far as Linux is concerned, where sane kernel is provided
13:18.39dos1LjL-Alps: I'm a bit more liberal on firmware blobs, as soon as they don't run on main AP and chips that they run on don't have access to main RAM
13:18.49LjL-Alpswarranty aside, though i think some Samsung Galaxies are about as open as the N900...
13:19.07LjL-Alpsdos1: even then, if the firmware blob isn't even redistributable, that's a problem
13:19.22dos1LjL-Alps: oh, yeah, of course redistribution rights is crucial
13:19.29dos1s/is/are/
13:19.34dos1hah :D
13:20.14RST38hLjL: I can define anything, including flying kittens
13:20.27RST38hLjL: Not everything I define will exist in practice
13:20.32dos1does Galaxy phones use Qualcomm modems?
13:20.42RST38hdos1: Some do, not all though
13:21.11LjL-Alpsdos1: the latest (S4) maybe, but the ones i'm looking at are the Galaxy Nexus, the Galaxy S2 and Galaxy S3; the former uses OMAP4, the latter two use Exynos 4
13:21.35LjL-Alpsdos1: they're three phones supported by http://replicant.us/ so you can have a look at their wiki about how open they are/aren't
13:24.41RiDdos1 infobot failed
13:24.50RiDredaretribution
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13:27.02dos1RST38h: GTA02 is completely open platform, I'd like other phones to be on this level
13:27.27dos1GTA04 has non-free firmware for WiFi, but I can live with that
13:27.36LjL-Alpsdos1: you can even run an OsmocomBB baseband on GTA02, can't you?
13:27.49LjL-Alps(not sure how legally)
13:28.04dos1LjL-Alps: yup (technically, doing it legally is completely different story :P)
13:29.10dos1if you have your own lab with BTSes and you'll use OsmocomBB to connect only to your own network, then you're fine
13:29.19dos1but I think you'd still need permission to set up such lab :P
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13:29.50XATRIXHi guys, i've got troubles during update
13:30.11XATRIXThere's a midnight commander update, my handset wants to install to
13:30.53LjL-Alpsdos1: i recently learned that WiMax would have been much opener than LTE :(
13:32.36RST38hdos1: GTA02 is based on an OMAP chip from TI. Good luck changing any part of its design :)
13:33.07RST38hdos1: Moreover, that OMAP chip contains PowerVR IP from Imagetech. Try getting documentation on that IP :)
13:33.51RST38hdos1: So, every time you say "completely open platform" to someone, do carefully check how much that person knows.
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13:37.06dos1RST38h: uhm... noone is talking about changing design of SoC itself
13:37.38RST38hDind't someone ask for new contact pads just now?
13:37.59dos1RST38h: GTA02 is based on Samsung S3C2442
13:38.12RST38hAnd not having any information on PowerVR basically prohbitsyou from having any open sourced 3D driver
13:38.32RST38hdos1: And that obviously makes it more open?:)
13:39.20dos1RST38h: not "more open", but it is open
13:39.51LjL-Alpsthe 3D driver thing is annoyin
13:39.53LjL-Alpsg
13:40.00dos1developing free CPU design is definitely out of Openmoko/OpenPhoenux/Neo900 scope
13:40.18dos1but using CPU that's free to use in any way you like is requirement for those projects
13:40.51LjL-Alpsshould use FPGA :P
13:40.57XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: Hi, i've got some problem, can you assist ? If i run apt-get upgrade, it says i have several packages to upgrade http://fpaste.org/36237/56340137/ (yea yea, i'm not going to run apt-get) , if i run Hildon app manager it says i need to upgrade only 'mc'
13:41.09dos1closed GPU may be there, as long as you're not required to use closed drivers just to be able to use the phone
13:41.41dos1GTA04 works perfectly fine without acceleration
13:41.48DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: apt-get upgrade is *DEPRECATED*
13:42.02LjL-Alpsyeah but modern OS's do kind of all use acceleration
13:42.04XATRIXOk
13:42.25DocScrutinizer05and that's exactly why
13:43.11dos1LjL-Alps: enlightenment works well without it, and when configured properly can provide pretty nice user experience
13:43.42dos1LjL-Alps: but yes, for running Fremantle you'll need closed GPU driver, just like on N900
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13:44.32LjL-Alpsdos1: well, for Mali400, there is an open GPU driver in development... which i understand already does some real 3D stuff
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13:45.31dos1LjL-Alps: then it might be good to think about using it for next project
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13:48.10dos1but I'm not good person to discuss this kind of stuff :) I barely know anything about all those chipsets
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13:50.59XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: i tried to upgrade my 'mc' using FAM and got the following in it's log http://www.fpaste.org/36238/77957008/
13:51.23DocScrutinizer05I won't check fapman logs
13:51.33DocScrutinizer05fapman is... you guessed it
13:52.00DocScrutinizer05deprecated
13:53.22XATRIXYeap
13:53.42XATRIXhow shoud i paste HAM logs ?
13:53.47XATRIXwhere can i get it ?
13:53.58XATRIXHAM says the same crap, it can't install upgrade for
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14:07.26qwazixXATRIX, there's log in HAM too, check the menu
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14:39.38DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: we need logs, then we check if sth is wronf with repo. Might be some dependency missing (e.g. known problem with BM)
14:39.59XATRIXI'm trying
14:40.06XATRIXwhere the log files for HAM are ?
14:40.20freemangordonXATRIX: mc was missing a dependency
14:40.28XATRIXyeap
14:40.30XATRIXslang
14:40.31freemangordonlibslang2
14:40.43freemangordonit is (should be) in the repo now
14:41.35freemangordonXATRIX: try to install it now, don;t forget to refresh first
14:41.45XATRIXk
14:46.07freemangordonPali: you didn;t vote for KP :P
14:46.29Palistill missing more then 1 vote :-)
14:46.46Paliand all KP packages must be promoted at same time
14:46.52freemangordonnoone wants to vote for KP ?!?
14:47.10freemangordonPali: promotion does't wotk like that ;)
14:47.15freemangordon*work
14:47.33Paliwait, I will vote :-)
14:47.42freemangordonwhen you promote a package, all the dependencies are auto-promoted too
14:48.15freemangordonor was it all the packages with the same source
14:48.20freemangordonor both
14:49.27freemangordonPali: if noone is interested in KP, I guess we can just stop maintainig it :P
14:50.10Paliso far only flasher has enough votes
14:50.32freemangordonnow bootimg has too
14:50.38Paliok
14:50.59freemangordonhmm, I am not a maintainer of bootimg? O.o
14:51.08Palimodules 4 votes missing and kernel-power only one
14:51.34freemangordonPali: those will get auto-promoted to extras if you promote bootimg
14:51.44freemangordonas it depends on them
14:51.56Paliso, I can try to promote bootimg now?
14:52.00freemangordonyep
14:52.27freemangordonit depends on kernel-power-modules, which depends on kernel-power
14:52.31Palipackage bootimg promoted
14:52.42Paliso we will see what happen :-)
14:52.53freemangordonint about 20-30 minutes
14:53.31freemangordon*in
14:55.27freemangordonPali: any hint how to debug the problem I have with my BT HF and device volume?
14:55.53Paliwhich problem?
14:55.56freemangordonavary time I have a phone call, the volume drops to 0. Not HF volume, but device volume
14:55.59freemangordon*every
14:56.12freemangordonI told you about that a couple of months ago
14:56.40Palican you try if this problem is also on clean PR1.3.1 (without CSSU?)
14:57.06freemangordonPali: I reverted the policy package to stock, didn;t help
14:57.23Palinow I see similar problem (do not know if is is PA/maemo or device) that volume is at min
14:57.29freemangordonexactly
14:57.30Paliand I need to up
14:57.35freemangordonyep
14:57.38Palibut only sometimes...
14:57.41freemangordonyep
14:57.56freemangordonthis is my problem :)
14:58.37Palialso in HFP mode (where is MIC support), volume is shared via bluetooth and device can mute or change pulseaudio/alsa volume
14:59.06Paliin A2DP mode (without microphone), device has own volume level and n900 pa/alsa own
14:59.42freemangordonhmm, can't we disable that?
15:00.03freemangordonHF controling n900 volume that is
15:00.09Paliand now when I using my headset also with notebook, maybe notebook can mute it and when I connect it again to n900 it share volume and show muted
15:00.44Pali"sharing" this volume level is by HFP profile design...
15:00.48freemangordonPali: maybe my HF mutes n900 on incomming call, but doesn;t unmute it back after call ended
15:01.01Paliand I looked into PA it is not easy to remove it (or insert another volume filter)
15:01.06freemangordonor we have a bug preventing unmutting to happen
15:01.44Palin900/pa/policy somehow switching between A2DP and HFP modes based on active call
15:01.56Paliand both modes has own volume level settings
15:02.13Paliplus there are tons of PA/alsa/dres/policy/prolog code
15:02.34Paliand it is impossible to detect where can be problem...
15:03.04freemangordonPali: oh, nothing is impossible, just give me some hint how to turn some logs on
15:03.11freemangordonthis bug drives me mad
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15:03.22Palifreemangordon: you can try: use headset only with n900 and set correct volume level on headset and also in hildon status menu
15:03.33Paliin both silent/normal profiles
15:03.42Paliand also when call is active/inactive
15:03.55Paliand do it in all possible combination
15:03.59freemangordonhmm
15:04.04freemangordonok, will try
15:04.23PaliI think that I solved my problem (maybe!) with above
15:04.34PaliI will see that happen in next call :-)
15:05.18Paliat least I saw that switching between normal and silent profile mute sound output when headset was connected and reconnected...
15:06.01freemangordonyeah, the same happened here
15:06.54freemangordonbut it happens the same in normal profile :(
15:07.40freemangordonvolume is set to min on every connect/disconnect
15:07.49XATRIXfreemangordon: updated catalogs, and tried to update 'mc' again
15:07.52XATRIXbut still no go
15:08.20PaliI think that there can be problem in bluez which can send some funny commands (or receive from) bluetooth device
15:08.35Paliand maybe new version of bluez has better support for these funny...
15:09.39freemangordonXATRIX: http://pastebin.com/qbhPU7eS
15:09.55xesPali: while playing with the sdr i tried many times the usbmode switch applet... but i have to say that most of times it doesn't work remaining "in progress" forever
15:10.09XATRIXDoc told me not to use apt-get
15:10.12freemangordonPali: do you remember how to turn bluez logging on?
15:10.21Palino :-(
15:10.26freemangordonXATRIX: I am not saying you should use apt-get
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15:10.56freemangordonthe point is that it installs just fine, make sure you did a "refresh"
15:15.21freemangordonPali: http://pastebin.com/VidTfbsK
15:15.36freemangordonAug 31 18:14:57 Nokia-N900 pulseaudio[992]: module-rescue-streams.c: Failed to move sink input 70 "output of sink.voice.raw" to sink.music.
15:15.48freemangordonwhatever that means
15:16.09Palifreemangordon: try to downgrade bluez and pa to pr1.3.1 version
15:16.12freemangordonAug 31 18:15:19 Nokia-N900 bluetoothd[1208]: Badly formated or unrecognized command: AT+XAPL=0A5C-0064-00DE,7
15:16.12freemangordonAug 31 18:15:19 Nokia-N900 bluetoothd[1208]: Badly formated or unrecognized command: AT+XEVENT=USER-AGENT,COM.PLANTRONICS,PLT_M25-M29,,222.233,FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
15:16.23freemangordonhmm, my bluez is stock afaik
15:16.26Palithese are that funny commands :D
15:16.37freemangordonyeah :)
15:17.10freemangordonii  bluez                                               4.60-0maemo1.6+0m5                         Bluetooth tools and daemons
15:17.35Siceloso freemangordon, i'm on CSSU-S. if i follow the 'manual' method to fix SUPL issues, is it going to be 'easy' to revert them to original, so that i can upgrade once your patch is available on CSSU-S too?
15:17.54freemangordonPali: could the problem be in that additional PA bluez module?
15:18.09freemangordonSicelo: better install from cssu-devel
15:18.25freemangordonSicelo: otherwise you risk brocen certificates store
15:18.29freemangordon*broke
15:18.33freemangordonargh
15:18.36Paliis there some additional PA bluez module?
15:18.37freemangordonBROKEN
15:18.41freemangordonPali: in cssu
15:18.54freemangordonPA
15:18.54Sicelofrom CSSU-D into CSSU-S? or wait until CSSU-S has fix?
15:19.06Paliyes, there is something, so I suggested to downgrade pa and bluez :-)
15:19.40freemangordonSicelo: up to you, but my idea was - enable cssu-devel, install certman packages, disable cssu-devel
15:19.48Sicelothanx
15:19.55freemangordonPali: I guess I can just remove that module
15:20.08Paliok
15:20.56freemangordongitorious got FUBAR :(
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15:38.42XATRIXfreemangordon: what is the repository of your mc ?
15:38.50XATRIXLooks like i have no your repo installed
15:39.14XATRIXsounds if i have only 'extras , community, fremantle'
15:39.34freemangordonXATRIX: extras-devel :)
15:39.55XATRIXhmm
15:46.06Sicelofreemangordon: hmm, no luck for me.. http://paste.debian.net/32827/
15:46.50DocScrutinizer05same instructions apply:  "enable cssu-devel, install certman packages, disable cssu-devel", just replace cssu-devel by extras-devel, and certman by mc ;-)
15:47.49DocScrutinizer05h-slp.mnc001.mcc655.pub.3gppnetwork.org:7275 ?? wtf?
15:48.26Siceloexactly.. don't know where that comes from.
15:48.38Sicelobut 655:01 is my provider.
15:48.54DocScrutinizer05HAH
15:49.01DocScrutinizer05that's pretty weird
15:49.01Sicelohowever, i'm connected via wifi
15:49.23DocScrutinizer05~gsm-agps
15:49.23infoboti guess rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP
15:49.26DocScrutinizer05??
15:49.44Siceloi did think of that.. and the other one.. ACWP; is it?
15:50.23freemangordonSicelo: did you reboot?
15:50.32Sicelohere you can see that the 'updated' certman stuff is on: http://paste.debian.net/32832/
15:50.39Siceloyes freemangordon, twice now
15:50.56freemangordonSicelo: maemosec-certman-common-ca                          0.2.2
15:51.03freemangordonmaemosec-certman-tools                              0.2.3
15:51.05freemangordon;)
15:51.29freemangordonyou should upgrade maemosec-certman-common-ca too
15:51.35DocScrutinizer05haha
15:52.16DocScrutinizer05now if every bug was that easy to fix ;-)
15:52.24Sicelook. so if i was to do this via dpkg, how many pkgs do i need? 3, 4!
15:52.26Sicelo?
15:52.46freemangordonSicelo: I'd bet on 3
15:53.13Sicelohmm, guess 4 :P because 3 updated last time :P
15:53.18DocScrutinizer05still wtf about that h-slp.mnc001.mcc655.pub.3gppnetwork.org:7275
15:53.24Sicelook. let's see what happens now
15:53.40freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: this is MNO supl server
15:53.47DocScrutinizer05mhm
15:53.58DocScrutinizer05afk, bbl
15:54.42freemangordonSicelo: which 3 got updatted?
15:54.52freemangordon*updated
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15:57.09Siceloall those on 0.2.3, ie libmaemosec-certman, libmaemosec, and maemosec-certman-tools
15:57.21Sicelorebooting now
15:57.46freemangordonok. 4 then :)
16:01.43Sicelook. now it's working. thanks
16:01.45Sicelo:)
16:02.49Siceloand now there's no lookup for that h-slp.mnc001.mcc655.pub.3gppnetwork.org:7275
16:03.57Sicelohas never cared for gps until recently (due to obtaining a car)
16:06.32Siceloanyway, one thing for sure, N900 GPS is NOT in any way inferior to what is on other devices out there, especially when both devices don't have access to A-GPS
16:12.07Sicelomonths of using plain gps prove it :)
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17:26.51teotwakiI feel dirty
17:27.05teotwakiI wrote a script which pulls a package from easy_install and makes an RPM out of it.
17:27.24teotwakiShortest .spec file I ever wrote.
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17:34.59kerioteotwaki: you mean pypi?
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18:27.54DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: ack
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18:39.54marsjeI have a weird problem with my N9: at my parents' house I don't see the wifi netwerk anymore
18:40.02marsjeall other devices in the house have no problems
18:40.11warfaremarsje: a reboot can help.
18:40.12marsjebut when I scan for networks, I see all of the networks in the street, except this one I need
18:40.29marsjewarfare: both router and phone have been rebooted multiple times
18:40.41marsjeit's like the network is on some blacklist
18:41.43Sicelo-> #harmattan, i guess.
18:42.01warfaremarsje: hrhm.
18:42.04Sicelothat network isn't using SSID-hiding ?
18:42.37marsjeSicelo: nope, it broadcasts the SSID and other (android) devices see the network just fine
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19:07.35DocScrutinizer05anyway, see /topic
19:09.07LjL-Alpshow do i see /topic? is there a command?
19:09.07LjL-Alpshides
19:09.28DocScrutinizer05/topic
19:09.34DocScrutinizer05try ^^^ this!
19:09.46LjL-Alpsooooh!
19:10.14DocScrutinizer05if your IRC client is of the crippled kind that doesn't show channel topics without your explicit interaction
19:10.50LjL-AlpsDocScrutinizer05, i'm using irssi, which is part one way, and part the other (shows only a part of a longer-than-one-line topic), but... i hate it
19:11.06LjL-AlpsIRC isn't meant to be command-line anyway
19:11.15LjL-Alpserr, by command-line i mean textmode
19:11.23DocScrutinizer05huh?
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19:11.32LjL-AlpsIRC is *so* suited to a GUI approach
19:11.39DocScrutinizer05ack
19:11.53DocScrutinizer05that's why I use IRC clinets ;-)
19:11.58DocScrutinizer05clients even
19:12.15DocScrutinizer05I don't actually call IRSII an IRC client
19:12.24LjL-Alpswell maybe that's a bit rad :P
19:12.24DocScrutinizer05it's an IRC tool ;-)
19:12.29LjL-Alpsi normally use Konversation anyway
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19:12.37DocScrutinizer05same here
19:12.44LjL-Alpswhich is slow as hell and locks up and isn't even scriptable, but it's what i use
19:13.14DocScrutinizer05slow? no. Locks? no. Not scriptable? well, mostly
19:13.20DocScrutinizer05which sucks
19:13.39SiceloLjL-Alps: youy use 800x600 resolution?
19:13.50DocScrutinizer05I still managed to "script" relogon to avoid nick changes
19:14.14LjL-AlpsDocScrutinizer05: yeah well i should try killing its settings or something, as other people too have told me it's not really slow or freezing for them. but maybe they don't tend to keep about 100 channels open (among which the ones for the major distros) either ;(
19:14.22LjL-AlpsSicelo: err no why
19:14.40DocScrutinizer05well, only ~40 here
19:14.58DocScrutinizer05admittedly incl queries
19:15.31LjL-AlpsDocScrutinizer05: i dunno. for instance when i ctrl+f on any window that has a long-ish scrollback, that's slower than a person can bear. about 5 seconds per letter typed
19:15.45DocScrutinizer05and yeah, it tends to become a RAM hog after some weeks of uptime, and that *might* cause lags when you run into swap hell
19:16.02DocScrutinizer05duh
19:16.11DocScrutinizer05swap mhell, I'd bet
19:16.13LjL-Alpsoh it's not that, i reboot my computer daily
19:16.22LjL-Alps(and have 8GB of RAM)
19:16.23DocScrutinizer05then I dunno
19:16.57LjL-Alpswell i should investigate it once i get back home. been like this for years
19:17.05DocScrutinizer05I have max setting for scrollback, and ctrl-f is instant
19:17.15LjL-Alpsi'm one of those people who seemingly prefers to have 1 unit of annoyance every day for 10 years, than 10 units of annoyance, once.
19:17.38LjL-Alps(meaning the 10 units it takes to actually investigate a problem/nuisance)
19:18.35LjL-Alpslike, at some point someone convinced me to add a "bouncing ball" widget to KDE to confirm it was bugged and wasn't removable
19:18.38LjL-Alpswell, i've never removed this
19:18.46LjL-Alpsthis happened about 1.5 years ago...
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19:19.13DocScrutinizer05LOL
19:19.27DocScrutinizer05I know this problem all too well
19:20.19DocScrutinizer05but honestly, konversation 1.4 on KDE4.8.5 just behaves
19:20.42DocScrutinizer05it's a bit braindamaged but otherwise just works
19:21.47DocScrutinizer05maybe you have that akonadi or nepomuk shit running, then I'd understand that everything comes to a grinding halt
19:22.18LjL-Alpsi don't think it's too braindamaged actually... it manages to do mostly all i want neatly, *even though* it isn't scriptable. i think it shows the people who wrote it were actually using it
19:22.33DocScrutinizer05it mist likely indexes every char you type, to a mysql db for faster searching, while you type it
19:22.34LjL-Alpsoh i have some tracker like that or other annoying me, but i just killall it as needed ;(
19:22.39DocScrutinizer05most, even
19:23.34DocScrutinizer05what bugs me with konversation is the missing search in userlist
19:24.10DocScrutinizer05and the weird notification lobotomy
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19:25.12DocScrutinizer05and the fact that you don't have a per-channel hide of join/part/nick
19:25.22DocScrutinizer05only global one
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19:26.07DocScrutinizer05xchat is much better in that regard
19:27.05DocScrutinizer05but I didn't manage to give xchat on PC a thorough test
19:27.22DocScrutinizer05poor KDE integration
19:27.58LjL-Alpshmm yeah i'm kind of partial to... not even KDE really - just, if i'm using KDE, then i'd like to use KDE programs on it. if i were using GNOME, i'd probably like to use GNOME programs on it.
19:28.04LjL-Alpsotherwise i might as well run mIRC on WINE or something ;(
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19:47.45NeutrinoPowerhi, how can I use irda to simply transfer text from Thinkpad T41 to N900?
19:48.26nox-i dont think n900 supports irda...  try usb or wifi
19:49.37NeutrinoPower:-(
19:50.12LjL-Alpsyeah i believe the N900 only has Consumer IR (i.e. it transmits only, can't receive, so can't implement IRDA)
19:50.27NeutrinoPowerok
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19:51.20XATRIXHi, i've enabled extras-devel and currently i have 'Maemo 5 Community SSU Package' update available
19:51.26XATRIXWhen i click update it
19:52.16XATRIXI receive something like, "If you want to update this version you have to connect your phone to PC and rn Nokia PC Suite"
19:53.09dos1XATRIX: you have some dependency problem
19:53.17XATRIXyea
19:53.25dos1could you check logs?
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20:27.24XATRIXwhich one ?
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20:31.20DocScrutinizer05HAM
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21:14.29XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: don't see anything unusual
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21:20.13DocScrutinizer05hmm?
21:20.45XATRIXi mean, i can't find anything related to CSSU Package
21:20.47DocScrutinizer05when you get the message "please use Nokia PC suite" then you must have a tab labeled "problems" or sth like that
21:21.21DocScrutinizer05and you got a menu entry in HAM that's called "logs" or similar
21:21.37DocScrutinizer05you even can save logs to a file, to pastebin them
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21:23.02XATRIXsure, i can
21:23.09XATRIXbut there's nothing in about CSSU update
21:23.16XATRIXno mention
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21:24.12dos1if there's some problem with some library needing specific version of some other library which cannot be installed due to conflict with another library, why would there be CSSU mentioned?
21:25.00XATRIXalright, give me a sec
21:25.44XATRIXhttp://fpaste.org/36292/84336137/
21:25.49XATRIXthat's the last one lines
21:25.56XATRIXfrom the end of the list
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22:23.44xes?? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370984#post1370984
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22:24.19xes?? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370993#post1370993
22:24.20lexikhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370986#post1370986
22:24.26lexikWTF?!
22:25.11lexikTMO under spam attack?!
22:25.40entitled!!! RED ALERT !!!
22:25.57RiD<PROTECTED>
22:26.15lexikand more.. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370995#post1370995
22:26.23lexikand more and more and more...
22:26.31RiDit's just 2 users
22:26.51lexik2 spammers vs. ? admins
22:26.53RiDwell, bots
22:27.04lexiknow..
22:27.08RiDjust enjoy their football
22:27.46RiDok
22:27.47RiD3 users
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23:42.00DocScrutinizer51what's tmo attack status?
23:42.20DocScrutinizer51~botsnack
23:42.20infobot:), DocScrutinizer51
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23:49.14RiDDocScrutinizer05 these little bastards keep making accounts

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