| 00:01.12 | xes | so far i had the sensation that there is somethng wrong with the pulseaudio speed... there is a lot to dig there |
| 00:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | blackmails xes for abusing his usb-hostmode to hack the radio bands |
| 00:01.38 | LjL-Alps | are you aware of this HackRF Jawbreaker project? |
| 00:02.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: get rid of friggin pukeaudio and enjoy flawlessly working sounds |
| 00:02.37 | xes | tomorrow i will upload in a new talk.maemo.org thread all my binaries for rtlsdr... it could also be that with more guys tring it, someone find some optimization |
| 00:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | cooooool |
| 00:03.32 | xes | :-D |
| 00:04.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder when GeneralAntilles and Jaffa will either kill us or close up MWKN for good ;-) |
| 00:04.42 | LjL-Alps | oh neat, there's Ubuntu packages of latest gqrx and dependencies, i won't have to compile stuff |
| 00:04.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900, RTLSDR, I wonder what else we can get in one week |
| 00:05.39 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: there are rtlsdr keys big just like an usb plug |
| 00:05.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know |
| 00:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem though is: the E4000 alone is rated ~150+mA max irrc |
| 00:06.31 | LjL-Alps | hmmm |
| 00:06.41 | LjL-Alps | my dongle does heat up a bit |
| 00:06.46 | xes | new ge.tt downloader with fixed parsing for multiple/single links: http://privatepaste.com/e169c595a6 |
| 00:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup, mine too |
| 00:07.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 00:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't give up on ge.tt, eh? |
| 00:07.59 | xes | :-) you know, i'm ... |
| 00:08.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | he made me install his last version on my box |
| 00:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 00:08.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, time for update |
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| 00:08.59 | xes | try it, it's dirty but seems to work also with single files |
| 00:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't know a usecase ;-D |
| 00:09.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, does it come with --help? |
| 00:09.52 | nox- | whats ge.tt? |
| 00:10.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | abomination X-P |
| 00:10.19 | xes | an upload service with no ads and no catcha |
| 00:10.29 | nox- | mh |
| 00:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | but lots of nasty javascript |
| 00:10.42 | nox- | ew |
| 00:11.12 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: have you ever looked at the maemo.org js? |
| 00:11.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's so obfuscated that no real script kiddie bothers to abuse it |
| 00:11.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | zje midgard one, oh god, no |
| 00:11.59 | xes | -no comment |
| 00:12.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: so what do you actually do with rtl2832? |
| 00:12.22 | xes | receive ham radio freq? |
| 00:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and decode and listen? |
| 00:12.38 | LjL-Alps | xes: what ham radio freqs, the only interesting ones are below 30Mhz! |
| 00:12.53 | xes | monitoring uhf repeater |
| 00:13.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah! |
| 00:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I want my spectrum analyzer on N900! |
| 00:14.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | waterfall |
| 00:14.30 | xes | btw, i have the ham radio license so i'm doing a legal activity |
| 00:14.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme think... isn't it python? |
| 00:14.53 | xes | DocScrutinizer05 ... |
| 00:14.57 | LjL-Alps | xes, in many countries listening to ham is perfectly legal anyway |
| 00:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm EE, I never do legal activity by definition ;-P |
| 00:15.58 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: tomoroww i will upload what i have done so far |
| 00:16.46 | LjL-Alps | oh, hey look at this, it's a PAL antenna two-inputs selector - *grabs it for the RTLSDR* |
| 00:16.46 | LjL-Alps | was probably used to connect the C64 or something |
| 00:16.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | we are the guys opening the appliances with the warning"NO USER SERVICABLE PARTS INSIDE! DO NOT OPEN!" |
| 00:17.12 | xes | now...bed! bye bye guys |
| 00:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya xes! sleep well1 |
| 00:17.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and cure that beriberi! |
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| 00:18.56 | xes | ok i'll try...good night! |
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| 00:34.23 | Sysaxed | bef0rd: what the hell was that? |
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| 00:35.26 | bef0rd | Sysaxed, what? |
| 00:35.38 | bef0rd | Sysaxed, osx crash thing? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6293824 |
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| 00:37.13 | superkuh | The R820T tuner based dongles actually use even more power than the E4K ones. |
| 00:37.14 | bef0rd | Sysaxed: sorry, I switched to a windows VM to avoid osx crash and that one seems to be compromised |
| 00:37.15 | superkuh | Just as an aside. |
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| 00:38.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | heh, superkuh!! :-) |
| 00:39.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | superkuh: yeah, and h-e-n hostmode blows chunks at ~200mA |
| 00:39.34 | RiD | 'blows chunks'? |
| 00:39.40 | RiD | that scares me |
| 00:39.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, that is when errorflig beeps |
| 00:39.43 | superkuh | And as of right now the HackRF pulls way too much power on initialization. |
| 00:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | the converter however might happily go higher |
| 00:40.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | with reduced or even out of spec parameters for voltage, noise, whatnot |
| 00:41.06 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: i'm, uhm, streaming music from my N900 to my EeePC. but i'll let you guess how |
| 00:41.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet you attached the eee as mass storage |
| 00:41.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | as a usb soundcard? |
| 00:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | NFS? |
| 00:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | USB motorola carkit mode? |
| 00:42.33 | RiD | you got him curious |
| 00:42.41 | RiD | better tell him, he runs this place |
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| 00:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh the suspeeeeeense |
| 00:43.42 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: i'm using the N900's FMTX and the RTLSDR on the EeePC :P |
| 00:43.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 00:43.54 | RiD | HAHA |
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| 00:44.16 | RiD | you completely forgot about fmtx |
| 00:44.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I hate the quality |
| 00:45.24 | RiD | it's still something |
| 00:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | stereo *pilot* is at 16kHz iirc! |
| 00:45.32 | LjL-Alps | well it only works if i keep the two thingies at like 10cm distance |
| 00:46.02 | RiD | LjL you could market that as "nfc music streaming" |
| 00:46.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | and stereo separation is basically nonexistent |
| 00:46.14 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05, i think you're no teenager, don't fool us into thinking you can hear that |
| 00:46.28 | Sysaxed | bef0rd: no, what is this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-08-30-034615_780x113_scrot.png |
| 00:46.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | MEH! |
| 00:46.56 | RiD | na, DocScrutinizer05 has a good point |
| 00:47.02 | LjL-Alps | RiD: yes, but i'll leave the expansion of "NFC" undefined |
| 00:47.35 | RiD | if it's anything like a 44100 vs 16khz wav, the difference is enormous |
| 00:47.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEMu5XY31DY |
| 00:48.02 | LjL-Alps | RiD: uhm that's different though, a 16khz wav means you only get frequencies up to 8khz |
| 00:48.10 | LjL-Alps | which is a fair bit lowre |
| 00:48.18 | LjL-Alps | is so British he spells "lower" "lowre" |
| 00:48.27 | RiD | :( |
| 00:49.05 | RiD | i |
| 00:49.21 | LjL-Alps | surprised the rtlsdr does (almost... with lag) work with the eeepc, anyway |
| 00:49.40 | RiD | i had my shining moment, and you steal it |
| 00:49.49 | RiD | stole |
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| 00:50.49 | LjL-Alps | the thing is, i'm pretty sure with the N900's extremely powerful transmitter, you never really reach the point where you have to worry about theoretical FM radio quality constraints ;( |
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| 00:52.03 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05, if you folks actually managed to put an RTLSDR-like SDR inside the N900, that would give you worldwide broadcast radio coverage as a bonus - as today, various countries use DAB or DMB-T or 1seg or whatever as FM radio alternatives/replacements |
| 00:52.16 | LjL-Alps | at least if the processor were fast enough to decode any of that |
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| 00:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, a 1GHz omap3630 with DSP should lift that |
| 00:53.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is it keeps CPU busy, though maybe not much more than mp3-playback |
| 00:54.06 | LjL-Alps | yeah it's not going to be battery efficient for sure |
| 00:54.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh with our weird PA based AP centric audio concept, nothing audio is exactly a battery smiler |
| 00:55.26 | RiD | well, 24hours of music is not bad is it? |
| 00:55.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's so weeeeeeird, exactly what you never ever musr do when designing sw architecture for embedded |
| 00:55.46 | LjL-Alps | why stop at audio, DocScrutinizer05? these SDR thingies *were* originally meant as TV decoders, after all! |
| 00:56.25 | LjL-Alps | 1 frame per minute tv would be nice |
| 00:56.42 | RiD | voiced slideshow |
| 00:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, I never said "stop at audio". Actually for audio any cheesy USB or other attaching method would suffice. I suggested shared RAM and DSP for DVB |
| 00:57.13 | LjL-Alps | oh you really want to do DVB |
| 00:57.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, when i already got a SDR hooked up to my OMAP3, why not? |
| 00:58.13 | LjL-Alps | i guess! |
| 00:58.17 | LjL-Alps | why not do GSM as well, and ditch the modem :P |
| 00:58.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it can playback flash and mpeg2 and mpeg4 and whatnot, why not dvb? |
| 00:59.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually with a rtl2823 dvb is probably easier to cpu than FM |
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| 01:00.07 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05, well i dunno, but the RTLSDR's bandwidth isn't even enough to send in the raw i/q for DVB (which is 6Mhz iirc) |
| 01:00.16 | LjL-Alps | i realize we're not talking about the actual RTLSDR here |
| 01:00.24 | LjL-Alps | but still, that seems like a lot of data to handle |
| 01:01.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that rtl2832 allegedly does DVB decoding on chip, and sends a mpeg or whatever stream? |
| 01:02.01 | LjL-Alps | yes |
| 01:02.17 | LjL-Alps | that's why i said the bandwidth isn't enough to send the raw data :P |
| 01:02.52 | LjL-Alps | i don't know anyway. it just seemed like a lot to handle, intuitively, but i'm not going to defend that position |
| 01:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~800*480*25*3 |
| 01:03.33 | infobot | 28800000 |
| 01:04.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | 28MB/s video bandwidth? |
| 01:04.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | DSP handling that |
| 01:04.45 | LjL-Alps | right but the actual bandwidth needed to get the radio signal in is going to be a lot more |
| 01:05.07 | LjL-Alps | ATSC is even worse, 8Mhz |
| 01:06.13 | LjL-Alps | well maybe not really a lot more, since i'm talking compressed video on a radio i/q stream, and you're talking uncompressed bitmaps |
| 01:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui the IQ scheme is meant to run at nyquist and still get a meaningful data stream that even holds info about phase |
| 01:07.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | so for 8MHz you need 32MB/s with 8bit resolution |
| 01:08.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | 8Mhz -> 16Ms/s with 8bit I and 8bit Q |
| 01:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I#m no expert in that digital signal processing stuff |
| 01:10.31 | LjL-Alps | me neither. i just know that SDRs are expensive, and the RTLSDR seemed like a miracle already with its "really wide" 3Msps... but, economies of scale i guess |
| 01:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just know the purpose of DVB is to reduce needed bandwidth, not to increase it |
| 01:10.58 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: well yeah thanks to MPEG |
| 01:11.39 | LjL-Alps | but a few channels are crammed into one stream so you still need to read in a lot of stuff, and then ditch some |
| 01:11.45 | LjL-Alps | TV channels i mean |
| 01:12.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 01:12.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | USB highspeed is 480Mbps |
| 01:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and CPU handles that easily |
| 01:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | *usually* ;-P |
| 01:12.59 | LjL-Alps | the HackRF thing apparently can go down to 10MHz according to "leaked info", says wikipedia or some other wiki i was reading a moment ago |
| 01:13.11 | LjL-Alps | 10MHz to 6GHz, now, that's... something |
| 01:13.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
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| 01:15.41 | robbiethe1st | well, that's weird |
| 01:15.50 | robbiethe1st | http://pastebin.com/qi9Zg9Rr |
| 01:16.01 | robbiethe1st | I just saw this in a PM window from this network |
| 01:16.15 | robbiethe1st | Like, half an hour ago, apparently? |
| 01:18.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | some ultraweird spammerbot |
| 01:18.38 | robbiethe1st | I'm thinking it thought /I/ was a bot node |
| 01:18.42 | robbiethe1st | Looking at the commands |
| 01:18.53 | RiD | privlogin suckme |
| 01:19.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't quote any names, this triggers the bot |
| 01:19.35 | robbiethe1st | huh? |
| 01:20.34 | RiD | what does it do? |
| 01:21.25 | robbiethe1st | I'm guessing that if my computer was compromised, this connection to IRC would be from a RAT, and he was attempting to establish communication, load up some new piece of malware |
| 01:22.14 | robbiethe1st | In reality, though, I'm running Linux, so at /least/ give me a proper ELF binary to run |
| 01:25.01 | Tekk_ | has anyone happened to try to compile Mednafen for the n900? |
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| 01:55.08 | Tekk_ | hmm |
| 01:57.20 | Tekk_ | it seems that app manager has decided that I have no catalogs and I have no apps installed |
| 01:57.34 | mashina | it doew that |
| 01:57.40 | mashina | just restart app cat |
| 01:57.47 | mashina | or use apt |
| 01:58.02 | Tekk_ | app cat? |
| 01:58.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | nonsense |
| 01:58.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | just wait! |
| 01:58.52 | mashina | app cataloguw |
| 01:58.57 | mashina | silly keyboard |
| 01:59.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | app manager needs up to 15 minutes to display any list of apps, when you enabled a lot of crammed catalogs |
| 01:59.27 | Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer05: no, not now showing anything |
| 01:59.32 | Tekk_ | but "you have no app catalogs enabled" |
| 01:59.39 | Tekk_ | and when you go into app catalogs, it doesn't see any |
| 01:59.45 | Tekk_ | not not showing* |
| 02:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you messed up the catalogs file. That's a result of trying to avouid HAM and configuring catalogs in packages.list or whatever the names of thpose files |
| 02:02.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/etc/apt/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/etc/hildon-application-manager/ |
| 02:02.46 | Tekk_ | yeah, it actually seems like a force close on HAM fixed it |
| 02:03.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't think you can edit those files any way you like, it is prone to mess up stuff. |
| 02:03.12 | robbiethe1st | Why not just use apt? |
| 02:03.29 | Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer05: I hadn't edited it |
| 02:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | because for apt you need to know what you're doing, and what maemo does. maemo is NOT debian |
| 02:03.49 | Tekk_ | but I did use apt a bit |
| 02:03.58 | Tekk_ | but it seems that I've reverted the damage |
| 02:05.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt is fine for a lot of standard stuff, especially command line tools |
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| 02:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | for installing typical maemo specific packages or system stuff, you should resort to HAM |
| 02:06.05 | robbiethe1st | ...I don't think I've started HAM in like two, three years |
| 02:06.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 02:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | may I ask how you do upgrades then? |
| 02:07.05 | Tekk_ | upgrade, presumbly? |
| 02:07.09 | robbiethe1st | ^^ |
| 02:07.19 | robbiethe1st | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 02:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | good luck |
| 02:07.27 | robbiethe1st | It seems to work |
| 02:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | kills system |
| 02:07.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | emphasis on 2seems" |
| 02:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll notice the broken or conflicting or autoremoved or uninstalled packages 8 weeks later |
| 02:08.49 | robbiethe1st | I've killed the system a few times -- always due to friging optfs getting corrupted after a while; I've actually been able to recover from a pretty badly mangled system(i.e. optfs backup being from a year older than my rootfs) |
| 02:09.08 | robbiethe1st | it took apt-get install --reinstalling a bunch of optified stuff, but after doing that, it works |
| 02:09.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or never, while al the time you wonder why XY segfaults or acts weird |
| 02:09.29 | robbiethe1st | You mean, aside from OCing? |
| 02:10.10 | robbiethe1st | I'm running 950mhz, at probably 99.9% stability, but I've had crashes oh, every month or two. But then again, I also almost never preemptively reboot it |
| 02:10.12 | robbiethe1st | unlike some |
| 02:10.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I basically never reboot N900, and I had no crash since err 3 years |
| 02:10.59 | robbiethe1st | I suppose that I don't have apt problems because I know enough not to press Y when it asks to remove dozens of things |
| 02:11.04 | robbiethe1st | You also aren't OCing, are you? |
| 02:11.29 | robbiethe1st | for me, a crash every couple of months and a rebuild every year is worth the extra 50% speed. |
| 02:11.41 | Tekk_ | I temporarily bumped up to 900 |
| 02:11.52 | Tekk_ | to see if pcsx would run decently, it didn't |
| 02:11.57 | Tekk_ | so I brought it back down |
| 02:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | 50% speed? maybe in clock divider |
| 02:12.23 | robbiethe1st | CPU wise, 950mhz is slightly over 50% faster than 600mhz. |
| 02:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ALU wise |
| 02:12.37 | Tekk_ | robbiethe1st: why do you bother with overclock? |
| 02:12.44 | robbiethe1st | Because it /seriously/ helps |
| 02:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | CPU is more than ALU and PC |
| 02:13.10 | robbiethe1st | It really helps with browser speed, which is what I do most of the time |
| 02:13.10 | Tekk_ | with what though? granted, I've only been fiddling for a day or so, but I haven't yet really been hurting for cpu power |
| 02:13.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't even know why I'd need any such help |
| 02:13.18 | robbiethe1st | JS heavy pages, like Slashdot... |
| 02:13.35 | Tekk_ | /. works fine with noscript, as long as you don't want comments |
| 02:13.43 | Tekk_ | is there a noscript for fennec? |
| 02:13.48 | robbiethe1st | ...And that's the whole point of slashdot |
| 02:14.18 | robbiethe1st | the comments are the important point. With stock MicroB, I can browse slashdot's desktop site just like I would otherwise, if a bit slower |
| 02:14.48 | robbiethe1st | MicroB, I might add, is the only browser I know of with a good implementation of mouse-cursor mode |
| 02:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | the bottleneck with browsing is the RAM, and swap. You can't speed up swap by OC |
| 02:15.24 | robbiethe1st | Depends on the pages. |
| 02:15.27 | Tekk_ | maybe he's really tweaked swappolube to the point where cpu is, I guess |
| 02:15.45 | robbiethe1st | I did that a while back; it's definitely faster than it was stock. |
| 02:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the most popular mistake in microb that brings it to a grinding halt is adblock |
| 02:16.22 | Tekk_ | really? |
| 02:16.22 | robbiethe1st | Plus, sure, on lightweight webpages, swap is probably the limiting factor. Slashdot is where it |
| 02:16.32 | robbiethe1st | It's most noticable, and that's horribly JS heavy |
| 02:17.12 | robbiethe1st | Plus, I usually open up several tabs/windows at once, have them load in the background, Between stock 600mhz and 950mhz(changing only the governor), it's noticable |
| 02:17.53 | robbiethe1st | (In the past, I occasionally had a crash and PK wouldn't load my preset as default. I'm sitting there wondering "why is it so slow" "Oh..." |
| 02:19.12 | robbiethe1st | Also(in the past), games. 950mhz vs 600mhz really helps with something like Runescape(which I was able to get to run, at like 1fps). 1ghz and above work fine for me(I can get to 1.15ghz), but create too much heat when running flat out |
| 02:19.39 | robbiethe1st | at 950mhz, it doesn't seem to get nearly as hot(though I haven't stressed it like this in quite a while) |
| 02:20.52 | Tekk_ | robbiethe1st: you should try runescape 3 :D |
| 02:21.03 | Tekk_ | I was getting like 3 fps on a dual core at 3.0 ghz with 4 gb of ram |
| 02:21.31 | robbiethe1st | Yeah...No. |
| 02:21.43 | robbiethe1st | OSRS is where it's at |
| 02:21.53 | robbiethe1st | Though I don't even play that much anymore |
| 02:22.30 | Tekk_ | I used to play on rscangel |
| 02:22.51 | robbiethe1st | << (and, on rs3/rs2 robbiethe2nd) |
| 02:24.11 | robbiethe1st | Speaking of which, time to see if I can get OSRS working on my N900 again |
| 02:25.30 | robbiethe1st | Yay for X11/Linux |
| 02:28.18 | robbiethe1st | ...On the other hand, battery life is more like battery death |
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| 05:03.43 | Tekk_ | there any docs for usb tethering? The wiki mentions that you can bluetooth tether on the bluetooth page, but that's all I've seen as far as tethering |
| 05:08.50 | korhojoa | there should be a guide to doing that |
| 05:08.54 | korhojoa | i've used it |
| 05:10.16 | korhojoa | if you don't use pc suite, you can use this http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking |
| 05:10.40 | korhojoa | sorry, this http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_router |
| 05:12.44 | Tekk_ | does pc suite even exist off of windows? |
| 05:13.45 | korhojoa | not that i know of |
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| 06:07.53 | Apic | A splendid good Morning (UGT) to You all! |
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| 06:25.04 | XATRIX | Guys, can you explain me why if i want to install Android OS on my RX-51 it's slow as hell ? |
| 06:25.21 | XATRIX | I thought Samsung Android devices uses ARM Cortex as well ? |
| 06:40.17 | Hurrian | XATRIX: power HAL isn't complete, and only 256MB of RAM is a big limiting factor |
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| 06:41.21 | XATRIX | 256M or RAM is not enough for Android 2 or 4 ? |
| 06:41.39 | Apic | No. |
| 06:42.04 | Hurrian | 512MB would be cutting it close |
| 06:42.19 | Hurrian | 1GB has been enough for a few years now |
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| 06:42.46 | Apic | True. |
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| 07:18.26 | ginggs | hi all, some packages of mine have built successfully, but not appeared in extras-devel, is there a problem with the repos? |
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| 10:50.58 | divVerent | I have this for a few days now... HAM tells me to update mc |
| 10:51.07 | divVerent | but it cannot do that because it depends on a libslang2 we don't have |
| 10:51.20 | divVerent | is that known? |
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| 11:13.25 | xes | divVerent: it seems that this new build depends on a package present only in the sdk repo. Maintainer is looking at this issue |
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| 11:22.33 | Win7Mac | where did the maemo servers reside before the migration (which country)? |
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| 11:32.17 | Win7Mac | before 1st migration I mean |
| 11:32.41 | Win7Mac | Europe or USA? |
| 11:32.47 | xes | sorry, no idea |
| 11:33.40 | auenfx4 | got the old ip? |
| 11:33.41 | divVerent | xes: ok |
| 11:33.49 | divVerent | it's not urgent in any way, just the updater is annoying :P |
| 11:34.34 | Win7Mac | auenfx4, I don't |
| 11:39.32 | xes | Win7Mac: http://dnshistory.org/dns-records/maemo.org This seems to suggest it was in Finland also in 2010 and 2011. Maybe DocScrutinizer05 has some more details |
| 11:41.28 | Win7Mac | thanks xes, I read Logica was hosting it back then, but not where |
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| 11:46.09 | xes | Win7Mac: http://myip.ms/view/ip_owners/19276/Logica_Finland_Oy_Dmz_Datacentre_Services.html |
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| 11:50.26 | Win7Mac | Rob stated that "forum server and database is in the US" here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1300360#post1300360 |
| 11:51.07 | Win7Mac | but that would apply for tmo only then? |
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| 12:30.04 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: Who said SDR? |
| 12:30.29 | xes | SDR: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370620 |
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| 13:14.32 | freemangordon | Pali: did you test rx51_battery.ko in KP52? As I am able to load the module, but nothing appears in /sys/class/power_supply |
| 13:15.48 | Pali | freemangordon: in kp52? it working fine on my device |
| 13:16.07 | Pali | check dmesg and also modprobe blacklist |
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| 13:29.53 | freemangordon | Pali: the module is loaded, nothing suspicious in dmesg |
| 13:30.39 | freemangordon | Pali: are you sure KP52 in the repos and the one installed on your device are the same? |
| 13:31.16 | Pali | will check md5sum of bootimg |
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| 13:32.41 | Pali | /opt/boot/zImage-2.6.28.10-power52 is same |
| 13:32.58 | Pali | as from http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/kernel-power-bootimg_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb |
| 13:34.20 | Pali | also rx51_battery.ko is same as in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb |
| 13:34.45 | Pali | freemangordon: can you check your installation? |
| 13:35.15 | freemangordon | Pali: maybe I am doing something wrong, but in short is it - stop bme, modprobe power_supply, insmod /lib../rx51_battery.ko |
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| 13:35.28 | Pali | uname -a show me Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 |
| 13:35.49 | Pali | try also modprobe rx51_battery instead insmod with full path |
| 13:36.09 | freemangordon | Pali: seems I am stupid :( |
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| 13:36.25 | freemangordon | I forgot to tell u-boot to boot kp52 by default |
| 13:36.26 | Pali | and rx51_battery should be autoloaded |
| 13:36.32 | freemangordon | sorry for the noise |
| 13:36.39 | Pali | ok |
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| 13:47.54 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: ping |
| 13:48.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | pong |
| 13:49.33 | xes | i think you should look at the screenshot i have just added.. ;-) |
| 13:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 13:52.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | try lowering the sampling freq |
| 13:52.44 | xes | now it seems something real |
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| 13:55.56 | xes | so far the worst issue is the hostmode switch... often the device is not detected. But it could be a power supply issue |
| 13:57.05 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: do you have some script to switch on/off hostmode and vboost? |
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| 14:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | vboost already has a script that gets used by h-e-n gui |
| 14:03.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | use my massively improved one, I donno if you already got that |
| 14:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | "mirror" http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/opt/rtlsdr/ |
| 14:04.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/booston |
| 14:04.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | vboost script ^^^^ |
| 14:05.34 | xes | whoa... so fast... Already mirrored? ;-) |
| 14:05.54 | LjL-Alps | i hate you people |
| 14:06.11 | LjL-Alps | now i have to rush somewhere i this godforsaken valley to find a USB-OTG cable |
| 14:06.12 | LjL-Alps | in* |
| 14:07.13 | xes | LjL-Alps: real life problems.... where one "find|grep cable" can't help... |
| 14:08.06 | LjL-Alps | hey, i wonder if this double-USB-charger i have can be used to connect two data cables together so i end up with the correct configuration ;( |
| 14:08.16 | LjL-Alps | trying |
| 14:09.02 | LjL-Alps | ah i can't, i need an extension cord that i lack due to space issues |
| 14:09.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | LjL-Alps: actually you probably can rework that charger to make an awesome OTG adapter |
| 14:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | caveat: |
| 14:10.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~hostmode-charging |
| 14:10.01 | infobot | hmm... hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 |
| 14:11.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: (already mirrored) yeah, xesget works fine, just datarate was like 22kB/s for the gnuradio 8MB blob |
| 14:11.51 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: i know it was you!! :-) i was re-upping that tar with a fixed file :-) |
| 14:12.23 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: that script takes care only of vboost? Right? ..not high/full hostmode |
| 14:12.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | right |
| 14:13.40 | xes | no way to switch all things in the right way from shell before start with rtl-sdr tools? |
| 14:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are 2 commented lines that allude to actually enabling hostmode |
| 14:14.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.20 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: err, looks like greek to me right now (actually no, i can read some greek), i will read the whole thread carefully later, but long story short, am i likely to fry something if i just try connecting the N900 to (say) an MP3 player via this charger, while it's (not) plugged into the wall? |
| 14:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | add another few and you should be mostly fine |
| 14:17.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | LjL-Alps: the problem might be huge buffer capacitor in charger's VBUS output, which could cause inrush spike on N900 enabling VBUS and thus the bq25150 *might* decide to shut down. You'll notice this with my improved booston script, it rises a notifier. No particular risk to damage anything |
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| 14:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys hostmode |
| 14:18.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | blueled came up with some scripts that should enable hostmode "unattended" |
| 14:18.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~hostmode |
| 14:18.34 | infobot | somebody said hostmode was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=652330, or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCDyUO0sKQ, or see ~hostmode-powered |
| 14:18.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | somewhere in that thread |
| 14:19.05 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: ah, ok |
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| 14:29.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: how bad is usb hostmode bandwith bottleneck? |
| 14:29.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: do you see lots of underruns? |
| 14:30.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | or lots of dropped samples or whatever rtl_fm might complain about? |
| 14:31.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I asked keenerd about reducing samplerathe, he said in theory there's a 250k sample mode but that sucks since you can't get any clean multiple of your rx frequency |
| 14:31.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or sth like that, so you'd need resampling |
| 14:32.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | so far rtl_fm doesn't support it due to that |
| 14:33.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | he *might* implement it eventually, but that increases cpu load then, due to resampling |
| 14:34.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-30 16:06:21] <keenerd> Hrm, using 250k is not going to be easy. To make the math as fast and friendly as possible, the sample rate is choosen such that you don't need to do any fractional resampling. Fixed sample rates kind of kill that. |
| 14:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | a truck full of windows workstations shall run over me if we're not the most leete community gathering around a cute little embedded device that you can possibly find anywhere ;-) |
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| 14:41.03 | xes | i think that the worst part is the cpu load... sometimes you can obtain better results recording to file instead sending to the pulseaudio output |
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| 14:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | pukeaudio sucks donkey balls |
| 14:52.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe worth stoppiing it all together before starting aplay |
| 14:53.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's >>aplay -> alsa -> soundcard[[ then, rather than >>aplay -> PA-ALSA-compatlayer -> PA -> alsa -> soundcard[[ |
| 14:54.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | where "PA" in fact is some terrible stuff including XPROT and a lot of resmapling and mixing and equalizing and whatnot |
| 14:55.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need to use alsamixer -c0 then, to adjust volume etc |
| 14:56.09 | xes | the better thing would be to have an initialization script that prepares all the things before run anything concernin rtl-sdr |
| 14:56.13 | korhojoa | ~hostmode-powered |
| 14:56.13 | infobot | hostmode-powered is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 |
| 14:56.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: sure :-) |
| 14:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: definitely this isn't rev1.0 yet |
| 14:57.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 15:00.06 | xes | so, enable hostmode, vboost (disable/enable/../) until lsusb can see the device, stop everything that could interfere with sdr. Then "ready to go" |
| 15:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: I even might consider writing a nice script that takes care about PA, about hostmode, even hostmode-powered, and all that, and finally starts rtl_fm (in a loop, till aborted?). Just I CBA to mess with messybox scripting |
| 15:01.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, yes |
| 15:02.14 | xes | ? sorry |
| 15:02.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth like that. Though I prolly would go for monitoring kevents or dmesg or syslog to find out about detected USB device |
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| 15:03.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm not sure if you didn't forget ENUM |
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| 15:03.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | though this should get taken care about by udev rule |
| 15:03.47 | korhojoa | oh wow |
| 15:03.52 | korhojoa | i really want some sdr stuff now |
| 15:03.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAHA |
| 15:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got three sticks in front of me |
| 15:04.07 | korhojoa | showing that to my network comms teacher would probably be pretty neat |
| 15:04.13 | korhojoa | mail one to me. |
| 15:04.19 | korhojoa | where did you buy yours? |
| 15:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | one is a cheesy but easily available and tiny logilink "va0002" that I bought ages ago, the other two are terratec based on E4000 tuner which I ordered a 2 weeks ago at fleabay |
| 15:06.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.amazon.de/gp/offer-listing/B007EB995U/ |
| 15:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | those are huge monsters |
| 15:07.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | about 5 times the size (and 20 times the volume) of the logilink |
| 15:07.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, twice+ the length, and 5 times the volume ;-) |
| 15:07.42 | xes | this could be an option: http://www.ebay.it/itm/New-USB-2-0-DVB-T-STICK-RTL2832U-R820T-TV-DVD-MPEG-2-FM-radio-DAB-radio-WMA-/171108255911?pt=US_Video_Capture_TV_Tuner_Cards&hash=item27d6d8c8a7 |
| 15:07.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 15:08.09 | korhojoa | http://www.amazon.de/Terratec-ran-T-Stick-DVB-T-schwarz/dp/B007EB995U/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3OSPSMZV7DOD8 ? |
| 15:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | r820t allegedly is almost as good(?) as e4000 |
| 15:08.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | korhojoa: sounds ok'ish |
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| 15:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually that's exactly the offer I buy |
| 15:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the va0002 you *need* parameter -g40 in rtl_fm, for terratec this very option is detrimental |
| 15:11.01 | korhojoa | I just wish it wasn't in german |
| 15:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | huhß |
| 15:11.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 15:11.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? because Merkel sucks and still will make it for another 4 years? ;-P |
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| 15:12.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | move to italy, hope for berlubungabunga ;-) |
| 15:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah sorry, IT wasn't in... missread |
| 15:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | read "I wasn't in..." |
| 15:14.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh the terratec is a scam, it doesn't even have the IR RX mounted, and consequently comes without any IR-remote |
| 15:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that you could actually use that remote control under linux anyway |
| 15:15.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the logilink been cheaper and came with a remote control |
| 15:15.52 | xes | so, DocScrutinizer05 have you choosed the key to try? Does it works? |
| 15:16.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't come around to try anything on N900 yet |
| 15:16.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 15:19.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130830_001.jpg |
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| 15:24.17 | xes | i have one key with e4000 and one with r820, both identical (from outside) and like this: http://www.ebay.it/itm/2013-Hotsale-Realtek-RTL2832U-R820T-DVB-T-Tuner-Receiver-MCX-Input-/251299020266?pt=AU_Components&hash=item3a8296bdea |
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| 16:00.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a shame how every single model of those rtl2832 keys is crippled from what it could be to something that's barely enough to do what it must do, for sole purpose of saving a 50ct on BOM |
| 16:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | better crystal, some pads to solder on RF-feed-thru and to daisychain clock, and particularly a LNA in RF-in, and that thing could rock |
| 16:04.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually a phantom-feed for LNA in antenna would already help a lot |
| 16:05.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | could attach active GPS antenna then |
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| 16:13.55 | SpeedEvil | yeah - well - mass market |
| 16:14.02 | SpeedEvil | they you go to things like the funcube dongle |
| 16:14.07 | SpeedEvil | then |
| 16:14.25 | SpeedEvil | intermod isn't pretty |
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| 16:27.46 | Win7Mac | freemangordon: Autobuilder got borked again?: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370626#post1370626 |
| 16:29.40 | Win7Mac | DocScrutinizer05, where did the maemo servers reside before the migration (which country)? |
| 16:29.40 | Win7Mac | I just wanna give a correct answer here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370507#post1370507 |
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| 16:30.44 | Win7Mac | migration #1 that is |
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| 16:32.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: answer been in this chan, see backscroll |
| 16:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | tmo not been part of "maemo.org", prior to migration#1 |
| 16:35.23 | Win7Mac | so the answer is Finland, except for tmo server, which was set up in USA? |
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| 16:45.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 16:45.52 | entitled | perkele |
| 16:46.05 | Win7Mac | ok, thanks |
| 16:46.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | gndlpfrmmmapf |
| 16:46.30 | entitled | saatana! |
| 16:47.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | leberkaas |
| 16:47.46 | entitled | ich bin NEIN berliner |
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| 16:47.52 | Win7Mac | and now BOTH servers reside at IPHH, right? |
| 16:48.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | du bist ein krapfen! |
| 16:48.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, Win7Mac |
| 16:48.39 | entitled | se on itte, joka ensiks haukkuu |
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| 17:13.01 | Win7Mac | would you agree?: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370685#post1370685 |
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| 21:06.04 | xes | freemangordon: ping |
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| 21:08.01 | xes | compiling a package (gnuradio) that requires boost, with linaro gcc 4.7 i'm hanged in the same bug described here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=812728 |
| 21:08.02 | povbot | 04Bug 812728: was not found. |
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| 21:42.26 | lexik | hi.. today ive tryed to repair my n900's broken usb.. failed :) its too tiny, tommorow im going to try another way.... but.... hell it is tiny :D |
| 21:43.05 | lexik | and my solder is probably too big |
| 21:44.04 | Win7Mac | your iron ;9... |
| 21:45.21 | lexik | emm... yes :P |
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| 22:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need a max 30W (or better electronically regulated) soldering iron with a pinpoint tip specially designed to solder SMT stuff |
| 22:07.30 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: do you think we could organize a team to repair broken N900? |
| 22:08.11 | RiD | speaking of broken n900s |
| 22:08.44 | RiD | this one i recently got does not always detect when the usb is plugged in... hopefully when i solder it it'll be good |
| 22:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you should use proper strictly electronic activated resin flux, like http://uk.farnell.com/bonkote/bon102/flux-pen-7ml/dp/500896 |
| 22:09.06 | RiD | i don't need another n900 without a working usb |
| 22:10.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | not "recognizing" USB often happens due to some race condition *somewhere* in maemo system, either kernel or dbus or whatever |
| 22:10.42 | RiD | it kinda seemed the usb fault, it was loosy already |
| 22:10.49 | RiD | either way i'm not plugging in anything until it gets soldered |
| 22:11.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it isn't showing a behaviour of suddenly recognizing chager when you gently touch the USB plug, but reliably detects on replugging the plug, then you got no hw problem but usual software glitch |
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| 22:12.10 | RiD | idk, i'll just wait |
| 22:12.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing bad with soldering down the USB to reinforce it. But don't touch the 5 electrical connectors if you're not sure it's needed |
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| 22:13.17 | RiD | i'm not gonna touch them... unless something goes seriously wrong |
| 22:13.29 | iluminator105 | where can i order a n900 strip |
| 22:13.48 | lexik | DocScrutinizer05: thanx! i will try to buy similar soldering iron |
| 22:14.54 | lexik | can high temperature destroy the n900 pcb?... |
| 22:15.45 | iluminator105 | where can i order a n900 strip? |
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| 22:25.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: I don't know how to organize such team |
| 22:25.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | lexik: sure |
| 22:25.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | iluminator105: strip? |
| 22:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you don't ask for a striptease? |
| 22:26.46 | iluminator105 | DocScrutinizer05, strip meaning when you move the keyboard connect keyboard to the motherboard |
| 22:26.49 | lexik | Maemo, hmm SoGood |
| 22:27.35 | lexik | striptease? you mean dissassembly |
| 22:27.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | iluminator105: sore, can't parse |
| 22:27.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry* |
| 22:27.56 | xes | read "ribbon cable" |
| 22:28.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, a flexible board connector |
| 22:28.41 | xes | (i suppose) |
| 22:29.00 | iluminator105 | is that what its called it connects the keyboard section with the other sectioin |
| 22:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, the flexible board (or somesuch term) aka ribbon flex connector is the component that connects N900's two hlafs |
| 22:30.43 | xes | this? http://www.ebay.it/itm/New-Ribbon-Flex-Cable-with-Camera-for-Nokia-N900-with-Tracking-number-/290736587540?pt=US_Cell_Phone_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item43b1404314 |
| 22:32.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ebay.com/itm/290704781415?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 |
| 22:32.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, ribbon flex cable |
| 22:33.21 | xes | sometimes the most difficult part is search with the right terms |
| 22:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 22:34.26 | xes | spare parts for the N900 are slowly disappearing in the latest months |
| 22:34.56 | xes | ..while the market of used n900 is filled with damaged phone |
| 22:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: that's why we need to speed up with Neo900 |
| 22:35.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few specialized parts are already not available anymore, and even keymats get rare |
| 22:37.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if council should start a project to stash spare parts |
| 22:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | but in the end that would be too expensive and dead capital |
| 22:39.38 | xes | a little internal store for spare parts with someone that could repair the phone would be a great survival insurance and service... Sure, i agree with the dead capital :-( |
| 22:40.03 | xes | i'm building gnuradio 3.7.1.... Zzzz ...so slow... |
| 22:40.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | took like 2h+ for me |
| 22:40.52 | xes | with scratchbox? |
| 22:43.18 | xes | i have issues with linaro gcc 4.7.2... It can't compile the sources depending on libboost. It seems a known bug of 4.7. Now i'm trying with gcc 4.2. |
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| 22:46.05 | iluminator105 | i have problem with my other laptop it boots to grub and is stuck at grub |
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| 22:47.27 | RiD | iluminator105 does your laptop run maemo? :D |
| 22:47.36 | lexik | offtopic. >> #grub |
| 22:48.12 | lexik | does your n900 use grub instead of uboot? :D |
| 22:48.52 | iluminator105 | n900 uses the default but its broken |
| 22:50.03 | lexik | what is broken? maemo is not booting? |
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| 22:51.17 | iluminator105 | ribbon flex cable |
| 22:52.08 | lexik | eeh.. |
| 22:52.39 | RiD | fix it? :P |
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| 23:02.20 | xes | ths could be interesting to order some spare part: http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts |
| 23:02.40 | RiD | hmm |
| 23:02.59 | RiD | according to that site i got 100 worth of random stuff |
| 23:03.23 | RiD | but i am tempted by the english keymat :\ |
| 23:04.26 | xes | they have some part that "china market" don't offer |
| 23:06.24 | RiD | screws, lol |
| 23:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: which ones? most of thenokiaparts.com is out of stock anyway |
| 23:09.50 | xes | umpf :-( |
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| 23:17.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: english keymat? where? |
| 23:17.15 | RiD | thenokiaparts it seems |
| 23:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're sure it's available? |
| 23:17.30 | RiD | no idea if its in stock |
| 23:17.59 | RiD | i dont even know how to add stuff to the shopping cart lol |
| 23:18.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | all out-of-stock items have same cryptic writing |
| 23:18.26 | RiD | so everything is out of stock? lol |
| 23:18.33 | RiD | ok actually not laughing |
| 23:18.38 | RiD | more like crying |
| 23:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems I don't find anything I could order |
| 23:20.22 | RiD | sad |
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| 23:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc, anyway check http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/product_search.php |
| 23:24.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | search for anything |
| 23:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/31/plasma-desktopzR3743.png |
| 23:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | allegedly the screws for 4.00 are not "out of stock" but still I don't see how to order them |
| 23:27.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc thenokiaparts.com refused to sell to non-commercial customers |
| 23:28.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | AAAH! http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900?page=1 |
| 23:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Ei varastossa." |
| 23:30.52 | RiD | :( |
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| 23:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900/n900-av-connector-5469246- vs http://mobile-parts.com.gr/en/iieea/nokia-n86-conn-a-v-3-5mm-compress-short-original.html |
| 23:34.40 | xes | klc is nokia parts (change the language with the flag) |
| 23:34.41 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: btw, DSS supports HDMI ootb, maybe "you" should think about that fancy connector that integrates USB and HDMI |
| 23:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to be smart (well a tiny bit) to find spare parts |
| 23:35.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: it's not only the connector, we also would need the HDMI converter gear |
| 23:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, might be worth it |
| 23:35.53 | freemangordon | hmm? sorry, elaborate on the "gar" part |
| 23:35.57 | freemangordon | *gear |
| 23:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly the converter/driver chip is small and simple and cheap |
| 23:36.16 | SpeedEvil | It is - fairly |
| 23:36.19 | freemangordon | oh, you mean there should be some multiplexer? |
| 23:36.46 | SpeedEvil | freemangordon: MHL/slimport are basically over the USB connector serialised (more) hdMI |
| 23:36.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I mean ther should be some pin labeled "HDMI", SoC doesn't have |
| 23:36.57 | LjL-Alps | MMHL? |
| 23:36.58 | LjL-Alps | -M |
| 23:37.01 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 23:37.41 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: omap dss supports hdme. ofc I have NFC how is the phisical iface implemented. |
| 23:37.49 | freemangordon | *physical |
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| 23:38.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the point. You probably need a driver chip |
| 23:38.13 | freemangordon | I see |
| 23:38.34 | LjL-Alps | just when you thought MHL could have been a nice universal interface to connecting phones to screens, Samsung >S2 has a different cable (even though it still calls it "MHL"), and Nexus 4 uses something else called "MyDP" |
| 23:38.40 | freemangordon | is searching for MHL |
| 23:39.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think omap SoC supports AV rather without any external parts, just a resistor and a bead and capacitor, For HDMI though I think you need more than that |
| 23:40.46 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: iirc HDMI is supported by the Soc without any extenal part. Maybe checking how it is done in BB will give us some idea |
| 23:40.57 | freemangordon | parts even |
| 23:41.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I looked into that for GTA03 S2440 or whatever the SoC |
| 23:41.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: sure. I admit I have no link to BB schematics |
| 23:41.44 | xes | ohh...i want a good old DB25 connector...something easy to solder and that we could use just like a docking station socket...... ;-) remaining pins could stay unused for future purposes... |
| 23:41.57 | xes | :-) |
| 23:42.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm simply too lazy to open and search the 3800pp OMAP TRM |
| 23:42.08 | freemangordon | xes: DB25 for RS232? :P |
| 23:42.44 | xes | yep... good old sockets |
| 23:43.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Centronics |
| 23:43.22 | freemangordon | yeah :) |
| 23:43.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather: SCSII |
| 23:43.43 | freemangordon | you guys are old :D |
| 23:43.50 | xes | so every human can solder that f** pins |
| 23:44.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | dman, those were awesome connectors, with I think 100 pins |
| 23:44.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a proper steel case |
| 23:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and true locks |
| 23:45.12 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: scsi? afaik some modern variant is still on the field |
| 23:45.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | *very* convenient, just the cables were awkward |
| 23:45.34 | freemangordon | though... you know... SAS |
| 23:45.56 | xes | but the car holder would be so easy... |
| 23:47.03 | xes | have you tried to plug the micro usb while driving in the middle of traffic?? |
| 23:47.50 | freemangordon | xes: why should I? when I could do it before I start driving ;) |
| 23:48.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scsi-connectors.jpg |
| 23:48.59 | xes | bah.. ok end of caos, please go ahead with technical serious points |
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| 23:49.38 | xes | uops .. freemangordon: have you read my comments about linaro? News about the 4.8 version? |
| 23:49.52 | LjL-Alps | i have a car holder for my Android phone, but it has no provision for easy plugging in of USB |
| 23:49.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | CN-50, so only 50 pins :-( |
| 23:50.13 | LjL-Alps | although it's pretty nifty as the phone just neatly clicks in and out of it |
| 23:50.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah I knew it - DEC: 68 pins |
| 23:50.36 | freemangordon | xes: hmm, I read the post but obviously have missed that there are news. Going to reread it :) |
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| 23:51.25 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: is everything ok with warfare? I was changing the ISP these days, so I could've missed something. |
| 23:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno, he's rather quite since his outtime |
| 23:52.06 | xes | https://launchpad.net/linaro-toolchain/+announcements |
| 23:52.09 | freemangordon | hmm. |
| 23:52.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: (2h) for x86, no scratchbox |
| 23:53.31 | freemangordon | xes: are there any cortex-a8 improvements? as all I have seen for the last year was a15 support/fixes |
| 23:53.51 | freemangordon | xes: And I still don;t know how to build a toolchain for SB :( |
| 23:54.13 | xes | who built the latest? |
| 23:54.26 | freemangordon | zeq |
| 23:55.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370626#post1370626 |
| 23:55.55 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: saw it, will take a look ASAP, I wa busy with the supl shit |
| 23:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | despises bug reports ending up in that thread |
| 23:56.02 | freemangordon | *was |
| 23:56.44 | freemangordon | though I am prety suspicious about the bug reports by that guy :) |
| 23:57.04 | freemangordon | he is too much of a hacker |
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| 23:58.59 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: in that regard - did anyone contact the ex-nokian ex-debmaster guy? |
