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00:08.23RiDhi, what's an acceptable price for an used, screen scratch-free n900, with everything working?
00:09.08GeneralAntilles$250?
00:09.22RiDo_o you serious?
00:09.24GeneralAntillesGo see what they're selling for on eBay
00:09.29GeneralAntillesI have no idea.
00:09.53RiDim looking at local deals
00:10.00RiD"local" as in Portugal
00:11.30RiDfound one for 70€ (euros), negotiable
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00:34.55Win7Macplease visit http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1369628#post1369628 share your thoughts regarding the move of HiFo and help translate GER>EN
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00:45.07LjL-Alpsuh, just learned about SHR. well, what can be learned without installing it that is. how many other free OS's for my N900 (and a prospective Galaxy Nexus) am i missing, i wonder? O.o
00:45.41RiDshr?
00:45.49RiDthat's new for me
00:47.23LjL-AlpsRiD: http://shr-project.org/ probably related to OpenMoko, OpenEmbedded, Qtopia, Familiar, stuff like that, but i'm confused at the moment
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01:20.46kwtmI agree
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06:34.34ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/26/nokia_windows_rt_tablet/
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10:01.47psycho_oreosdrops a pin on the ground.
10:03.47psycho_oreos~seen freemangordon
10:03.47infobotfreemangordon <~freemango@130-204-50-168.2074221835.ddns.cablebg.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14h 13m 27s ago, saying: 'RiD: it is the lack of RAM that makes it slow ;)'.
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10:22.16n900-dkSociality (facebook app) working for anyone?
10:29.51psycho_oreosI personally don't use it, so I wouldn't know.
10:30.31lexikjust kiddie question: what is the problem with 1GB RAM on GTA04? 512 is better than 256 on n900, but it is not much.. after 2 years Neo900 will be "old"... as N900 today.
10:30.53lexikWizzup: still opped? :D
10:32.08Wizzupseems like it
10:32.26Wizzuplexik: I would also pay for a bit more ram
10:32.42psycho_oreosI guess some people ask too much for what they're willing to pay. Making their dollar stretch further (or Euro for that matter)
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10:34.28psycho_oreosThe real idea I suppose is to code memory efficient programs rather than making the whole situation MS-like.
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10:35.44psycho_oreosPeople will always ask more and then they would be demanding the device to also emulate <insert_some_other_hardware_here>.
10:36.13psycho_oreoslooks at this PSP game emulator thread.
10:36.35Wizzuppsycho_oreos: well, if it is enough for fennec then I'm ok with it
10:36.49Wizzup;-)
10:37.43psycho_oreosWizzup, imo the way fennec is headed.. its hardly any different to MS.
10:37.43lexik512 is lowend today... what about after 1? 2? 3 years?
10:38.32lexiki dont want to buy every year new version of GTA0* :D
10:38.42psycho_oreosfennec was a lot faster at boot during beta days. As version increases, so did the boot time.
10:39.13Wizzuppsycho_oreos: I felt it got faster
10:39.18Wizzupbut it is still unusable
10:39.35WizzupI just hope for a non-webkit browser :)
10:40.40psycho_oreosBuy it and be happy. Afterall we are talking about embedded devices, not laptops or desktops (with the like of user-upgradeable parts)
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10:41.14psycho_oreosWizzup: you referring to the thumb version of fennec?
10:41.31Wizzupoh, I am happy even with less ram ;-)
10:41.49WizzupI just think it's a valid question and worth considering - if it hasn't been considered before
10:44.47psycho_oreosI'd be happy if GTA-04 would have identical hardware specs as N900 but more of those extra components and maybe even speed upgrade. Ultimately, I like the project to head onto something like Neo950 (using e7 as base). I really personally like the design aesthetics of e7/N950 over N900.
10:45.18psycho_oreosonce of course is if Neo900 turns out to be a hit.
10:45.52discopighi
10:45.59psycho_oreoshi
10:46.26lexikI was just asking what is the problem... 512 is lowend today.. and with Cortex A8? for $700? eh?.. i also want to use replicant on it.. and my neural network project also needs more performance
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10:47.07psycho_oreosLast I checked with openmoko stuff, they only had dual/tri-band? N900 is quadband iinm.
10:49.40psycho_oreosI think people didn't like how N900 was "swap-tastic" :) Besides, performance comes as a price if running memory intensive tasks, multitasking or leaving device on for several days.
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10:52.27psycho_oreosI sorta hate to mention this but on the other side of fence, android devices seems to not get a massive hit on performance over several days worth of uptime. Whereas on N900 the device starts to get sluggish after a few days of uptime. At least for me the case is like that.
10:53.18psycho_oreosI guess its also a case of YMMV as well.
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10:58.18psycho_oreoswonders if its a good idea to suggest Pali to start applying things like bfs kernel patches. Maybe the end result is neglegible.
11:01.38Hurrianpsycho_oreos: reload swaps, make a big ramdisk to push stuff out of memory
11:04.56psycho_oreosHurrian, I can see how the first portion would work (in fact there's a program for that, provided if setup correctly). ramdisk requires so editing to kernel bootup iinm, also not sure how is that even beneficial to force programs to swap.
11:05.32Hurrianpsycho_oreos: the idea is to unload libraries and binaries cached in RAM
11:05.53Hurriansystem UI things will get reloaded into RAM once you start using it
11:06.13Hurrianjust make a large ramdisk, dd a big file to it, when that fils up, unload the ramdisk.
11:08.15psycho_oreosHurrian, size of ramdisk needs to be specified iinm at boot. Plus making a big ramdisk (something like 256M), gets stuff pushed into swap?. Hmm maybe no.
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11:13.02psycho_oreosJust looked at optimizen900 it also kills systemui (along with others) in a bid to refresh N900.
11:13.34psycho_oreosThe only thing I guess missing from that idea is to flopswap.
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11:15.14ShadowJKTry run it several times quickly after eachother ;-)
11:17.05psycho_oreospffftt... hah!
11:17.39psycho_oreosWhy not make a nice while loop at it :p
11:18.41psycho_oreoss/at/whilst at/
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11:26.11Wizzupphryk: I've often had my n900 on for weeks
11:26.17Wizzupah, sorry, I meant psycho_oreos
11:26.30Wizzuppsycho_oreos: without any real noticable slowdowns
11:26.58WizzupHurrian: why not swapoff and swapon?
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11:29.37psycho_oreosWizzup, what about 7 days of uptime, a few microB session (on *.maemo.org), omp and getting a phone call? :)
11:30.01Wizzuppsycho_oreos: I usually never shut down my n900
11:30.07WizzupI charge it at night, while its on
11:30.11WizzupI use it extensively during the day
11:30.27Wizzupcan go on like that for months
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11:33.17psycho_oreosWizzup, no issues with incoming phone calls? I couldn't hang up an incoming call. Took a fair few seconds for the device to even pickup my finger pressing on the screen.
11:33.36Wizzupphryk: no, not really
11:33.41Wizzupargh
11:33.51Wizzups/phruk/psycho_oreos/
11:33.56Wizzupoh man :)
11:34.00Wizzupanyway, you get the point
11:34.12WizzupMaybe try a reflash at some point? You probably have some buggy program running
11:35.55psycho_oreosYeah, I recall you did a reflash sometime ago. I won't be able to do that anytime soon (until PC gets fixed *rolls eyes*)
11:37.28psycho_oreosThat plus the joy with all the custom made stuff go missing.
11:38.52phryk:F
11:43.25psycho_oreosmuses the thought of using two N900 to perform flashing. One with usbmode set to host and running flasher, the other is just set to flashing mode.
11:43.59Wizzuppsycho_oreos: yes, but I *had* to reflash :)
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11:48.25psycho_oreosWizzup, yeah. That would've been fun :P lol
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11:52.27dos1lexik: about Neo900 RAM: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1369704&postcount=112
11:53.19dos1LjL-Alps: anything you want to ask about SHR? ;)
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11:54.43LjL-Alpsdos1: yes, is this a better place? i am connecting from a capped 3G connection, so usually i would just go and download whatever it takes, but i have to spare my bandwidth. so... does it work alright on the N900? any off-limit hardware? what's the "Aurora" image, which is much smaller than the other one?
11:55.11LjL-Alpsalso, i might be getting a Galaxy Nexus later - does it work well on that one? it isn't even listed on the wiki, but there's images to download
11:55.39dos1#openmoko-cdevel is where SHR devs mainly are
11:56.28dos1it should work on N900, but expect some glitches and non full hardware integration
11:57.17dos1we were very enthusiastic about N900 port some time ago, but we lacked manpower to do modem integration and power management properly
11:57.17lexikdosl: thanks... im not happy from it :-/ what about swap on superfast micro-SD?
11:57.31LjL-Alpsah :\
11:58.37dos1LjL-Alps: but it should work somehow, might be worth trying just for the sake of playing with it
11:59.40LjL-Alpsdos1: certainly worth it, but maybe i can wait until i have normal connectivity again. the Aurora thing is just 35MB though, so i could get that... not sure if it's the same thing with less built-in programs, or an actually different UI, though
11:59.42dos1I was the first man on earth with SHR running (well... big word - "booting" is better ;)) on N900... good times :D
12:00.16dos1LjL-Alps: Aurora is different
12:00.49dos1lexik: should be possible, but SDs are easy to wear off in this way
12:01.50LjL-Alpsdos1: oh i get it now, i missed a part on the wiki where it says Aurora is something that "emulates a non-smartphone"
12:05.52dos1LjL-Alps: and about Galaxy Nexus - I have no idea. You might want to ask JaMa on #openmoko-cdevel, I think that's him who was playing with those images
12:06.05LjL-Alpsdos1: ok, thanks
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12:07.27lexikdosl: okay, now im happy again :).. if i will one day own Neo900 i will for sure buy some fast SD (last time when i was looking there was SDs with 90Mega read/write) and i will use it as swap
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12:10.54psycho_oreoswonders will speed then be an issue (on the N900 bus that is).
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12:16.44ShadowJKSDs are pretty hard to wear out.
12:17.31ShadowJKAnd sequential speeds bear little relation to what speed it'll reach when swapping :)
12:24.53psycho_oreosI don't know how long microSD last if they were to be used as swaps. Though you can hear people are avoiding swaps on SSD, of course the case here is different compared to embedded hardware.
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12:30.00ShadowJKMine have lasted long enough to become obsolete.
12:33.06ShadowJKI guess I've had 2 or 3 different since 2009
12:33.27ShadowJK8g, 16g, etc
12:37.40psycho_oreos*shrugs* dunno if this would be related but I have had issues with my Class 10 microSDHC. I ended up with major FS corruption.
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12:39.48psycho_oreosHopefully, once I can get my PC up and more scratch space. I'll try and "scalp" some data out.
12:40.05ShadowJKSome of them have very high latency
12:40.18ShadowJKand time out
12:41.19psycho_oreosimagines one would need to tweak the rootdelay= kernel arg.
12:41.28ShadowJKUnrelated
12:41.48ShadowJK... especially as maemo kernel boots up without sd or emmc drivers loaded
12:42.38ShadowJKAll first generation class 10 cards are like that really, take seconds to respond to non-sequential writes... benchmarks 4 times slower than a 2009 Sandisk class 2 card.
12:45.11lexikdosl: correct me if im wrong: we are --expecting-- that Neo900 will have 1GHz clocked Cortex A8 and 512mega of RAM, but the RAM size --can-- be bigger, if we were lucky
12:47.22lexikThe internal storage will be 1GB (hmpf.. 32Giga MyDocs on N900, byyee) + microSD
12:49.37lexikMaybe is an good idea to create Wiki page for that and write there some info about specs to avoid questions like theese :D
12:50.05dos1lexik: internal storage is not settled yet at all
12:50.37dos1lexik: it might be 1GB NAND + 32GB eMMC + microSD
12:50.55lexikthat sounds good
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12:51.38dos1let's wait until Joerg and Nikolaus sit together and find out what's realistic and what's not
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12:54.42lexikBy the way, what is the status of "community funded" n900 for experiments? i saw that one user on tmo is offering us his one. Also i saw some irc logs saying something about that it will be bought via the Hildon Found. PP account
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13:08.20RiDhttp://olx-t.imgrap.com/ui/26/82/73/441387973_6x.jpg?x=1377597847
13:08.41RiDis the battery full, with that indicator?
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13:41.29Wizzup`seems like Wizzup's connection died
13:43.13totalizatorI've bought a cheap usb charging cable for N800 and it never stops charging (even when switched off); is this ok?
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13:46.51Wizzup`DocScrutinizer51: this Wizzup` connection should be more stable ;-)
13:47.12DocScrutinizer05huh?
13:47.21Wizzup`the wizzup op timed out
13:47.26DocScrutinizer05np
13:47.31DocScrutinizer05I'm back
13:47.35Wizzup`even better
13:47.41Wizzup`now I don't need to watch the channel closely
13:47.44DocScrutinizer05thanks
13:47.48Wizzup`welcome ^^
13:48.25DocScrutinizer05reminds me to claim GC for #maemo
13:48.50DocScrutinizer05is terribly disorganized atm
13:49.14DocScrutinizer05too much on my table, not only maemo-related
13:49.41lexikDocScrutinizer05: did you PM that guy which is offering us his n900 in thread?
13:49.57DocScrutinizer05he asked when he might get it back
13:50.04lexik:D
13:50.39lexikmaybe never, maybe after few months little augmented
13:50.49DocScrutinizer05hardly augmented
13:50.52Wizzup`has three n900s, one with a broken usb
13:50.58DocScrutinizer05rather as a kit ;-P
13:51.21lexikbut he has a chance to get Neo900 for free :D
13:51.31DocScrutinizer05also hardly
13:51.55DocScrutinizer05those boards initially cost *us* >>1000EUR to produce
13:52.13DocScrutinizer05usually there are 2 or 3 of them
13:53.21DocScrutinizer05they get shipped around from one devel to the next one, for a few days to do some specific tests. we don't have give-aways to hand out
13:53.54DocScrutinizer05as much as we'd like to do that, we can't afford
13:55.05DocScrutinizer05actually it's unclear how we can afford the proto-boards _we_ need to do
13:55.47DocScrutinizer05we may need a kickstarter of raising funds for those
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13:55.57DocScrutinizer05s/of/or/
13:56.31lexikhm.. so? Are we going to buy N900 from HF PP?
13:56.46DocScrutinizer05sorry?
13:57.01lexikHildon Foundation PayPal
13:57.02lexik<PROTECTED>
13:57.06DocScrutinizer05seems this one post raises 3 questions at my side
13:57.16lexik:P
13:57.27Wizzup`I do not mind donating some money to buy a n900...
13:58.05DocScrutinizer05aaah, well. I think I will send Nikolaus one of my N900, and I fill up my shelf with a new one paid from the donations that are on my auxiliary "HF"-donation PP
13:58.36lexikokey
13:59.13DocScrutinizer05I just need to check if I got enough money not dedicated to maemo.org infra mantenance by donors
13:59.43DocScrutinizer05or I start a new fundraiser dedicated to Neo900
14:00.03DocScrutinizer05needs mar coffee
14:00.09lexik^^ +1
14:00.10DocScrutinizer05moarMOAR
14:01.25DocScrutinizer05desperately tries to recall why he seemingly got a full narcosis yesterday. At least head feels like that
14:01.27lexikI'm going to make cssu-similar cube dedicated to fundraiser dedicated to Neo900
14:01.57DocScrutinizer05???
14:02.00DocScrutinizer05cube?
14:02.05lexikbrick
14:02.19lexikcall it how you want
14:02.28lexikcssu banner on tmo
14:02.29DocScrutinizer05you lost me
14:02.33DocScrutinizer05aaaah
14:02.51lexik:)
14:02.53DocScrutinizer05well, notions towards banners are very ambivalent
14:03.09DocScrutinizer05seems a lot of people hate them
14:03.43DocScrutinizer05has no particular notion regarding this banner topic
14:04.22lexikalso we need some graphical materials for kickstarter
14:04.23DocScrutinizer05anyway chem|st is on holiday?
14:04.57lexikand some stupid-Horst-Fux-text
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14:06.06lexikDocScrutinizer05: how much money are you expecting from kickstarter? $200? $20000 ?
14:07.21DocScrutinizer05for Neo900 development kickoff? dunno, Nikolaus is the expert who has paid the bills of GTA04 development. I guess some 5k to 10k
14:07.55DocScrutinizer05for the initial 2 or three runs of prottypes
14:07.56ApicThere ought to be a N900-Successor?
14:08.12dos1Apic: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
14:08.19Apictnx
14:08.25DocScrutinizer05Apic: you honestly missed http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1369729 ?
14:08.53DocScrutinizer05dang, dos1 beat me to it. Moinmoin dos1 :-)
14:08.54ApicWay cool!
14:09.14Apic;-)
14:09.41DocScrutinizer05dos1: many thanks for your awesome help, I guess without it I already had pulled the plug from my PC
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14:10.56lexik10k.. thats possible.. but i dont know.. isn't indiegogo better for that purpose? (why canonical choose it for Ubuntu Edge?)
14:11.15dos1DocScrutinizer05: moin :)
14:11.15jon_ykickstarter for a phone?
14:11.36jon_yI doubt it is going to work unless you set a few millions :(
14:11.37dos1no problem, I really, really want to make it happen :D
14:12.14dos1jon_y: it already worked without kickstarter -> see GTA04
14:12.34jon_ylink pls :)
14:12.45dos1jon_y: now some donations would be needed just to be able to pay for prototypes
14:12.47RiDWizzup` broken usb.. ugh me hates
14:12.57dos1jon_y: see tmo link few messages above
14:13.25jon_y?
14:13.45dos1~neo900
14:13.45infobothmm... neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
14:13.52dos1:)
14:13.54lexik:)
14:13.58RiD:)
14:14.07jon_yso do I need to go all the way to another continent to buy one?
14:14.08lexik:) :) :) :)
14:14.15Apic=) =) =)
14:14.26lexiksmilies spammers?
14:14.33dos1jon_y: what? no
14:14.45jon_yegads, the casing is ugly :(
14:14.55jon_yI'd take the one without the case thanks
14:15.09lexik?! :DD
14:15.24dos1jon_y: Neo900 project aims to adapt GTA04 board to upgrade it a bit, add missing peripherals and use N900 case
14:15.32jon_ydude, seriously, whats with all the wonky curves at the bottom
14:15.51jon_yit looks like a shrunken PSP
14:16.18RiDgreat idea
14:16.18lexikN900 or Neo Freerunner?
14:16.21RiDput your n900 inside a psp
14:16.27lexik:D
14:16.32dos1>wonky curves at the bottom
14:16.32DocScrutinizer05~#maemo 9 is <reply>see neo900
14:16.33infobotokay, DocScrutinizer05
14:16.36DocScrutinizer05~9
14:16.36infobotmethinks neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
14:16.37RiDPSP Go is sort of similar!
14:16.45dos1so I guess Neo Freerunner
14:17.00dos1you either love or hate that case ;)
14:17.02jon_ywhat no hardkeyboard
14:17.16jon_yI guess the rs232 can make up for it
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14:17.52dos1jon_y: we're discussing here Neo900, you're talking about GTA04 as it is now
14:18.01lexik..probably
14:18.03dos1Neo900 will have hw keyboard, cause N900 does
14:18.18jon_yyeah, I was looking at the GTA04
14:18.35jon_ypromise me you'll ditch the ugly case :)
14:18.35lexikand Neo900 is GTA04 BOARD in N900 CASE
14:18.46dos1GTA04 was made as a replacement mainboard for Neo Freerunner
14:18.46jon_ygood
14:18.51dos1so it uses Freerunner's case
14:19.02dos1Neo900 aims to adapt GTA04 to use N900 case instead
14:19.02jon_yno wonder it didn't do well
14:19.04RiDi got GTA 4
14:19.07RiDruns
14:19.22dos1RiD: ;)
14:20.26jon_yso how are you suppose to get the Neo900 anyway?
14:20.49dos1jon_y: it's in early planing stage, the idea came out just few days ago
14:20.49jon_ywhy not reappropriate the N-series from Nokia to spite them? :)
14:20.53jon_yN1000
14:21.10jon_yNokia doesn't own the letter N yet
14:21.16jaskat1000
14:21.27jon_ysure, NX
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14:21.47jon_yor N9000
14:22.06RiD^
14:22.42jon_yN900v2 for extra spite
14:22.49RiDN900²
14:23.08RiDwait, i got the perfect one. N900⁰⁰€
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14:23.34jon_yhmm, I'm not understanding what the symbols mean
14:23.45jon_ysome Euro signs?
14:24.18lexikstop it. It is Neo900. The End.
14:24.21dos1N-over9000
14:24.34LjL-AlpsGgggnnnnnnnnnn900
14:24.41lexikTrinity900
14:24.47jon_ysure, how do I smuggle these over international borders?
14:24.59jon_ytax rate is insane here
14:25.14jon_yup to 100% for "sample" units
14:25.28lexikSmith900
14:25.45lexikNo. Neo is da best.
14:25.50jon_yI need to fly over to another continent to get it, probably :(
14:26.04lexikTo get what?
14:26.22lexikNeo900 is now just a thread+idea
14:26.25jon_yif the Neo900 does get released
14:26.42lexikwhere are you from
14:26.44lexik?
14:26.53jon_ySouth East Asia
14:27.05RiDwe need a female n900
14:27.10RiDNina900
14:27.19RiDNina-nehundred
14:27.50jon_yI am already having a hard time finding anything that isn't LG, Samsung or Apple
14:28.31jon_yso far I have only seen 2 other N900 in the wild
14:28.40jon_yno one has heard of it
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14:43.35DocScrutinizer05(([2013-08-27 16:20:48] <dos1> jon_y: it's in early planing stage, the idea came out just few days ago)) actually Ihad that idea for several months, but I finally did the "public kickoff" 2 days ago
14:43.59dos1yeah, so it "came out" to the public ;)
14:44.50Wizzup`so have there been attempts of porting maemo to an existing, say, android device?
14:45.06Wizzup`it would be interesting to see if it could be running on the droid series for example
14:46.07dos1droid phones are pretty much locked up
14:46.16Wizzup`ah, ok
14:46.17dos1and it's harder to port to andoid phones anyway
14:46.28Wizzup`yes, but I think mer runs on some, or was that only the tablet?
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14:49.04DocScrutinizer05Wizzup`: see http://www.omappedia.com/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started
14:51.14Wizzup`I see
14:51.20DocScrutinizer05it's not insane idea to port fremantle to a new hw platform. It's difficult to make *all* peripherals work, particularly modem. It's probably futile to try and make GPS "as we know it2 work on any new platform, since GPS is hooked up to BB5 modem on N900
14:51.57Wizzup`yes, I understand some core components might not work
14:52.06Wizzup`I was mostly thinking of the general env - not so much gsm stack etc
14:52.42DocScrutinizer05on GTA04-n900 aka Neo900 we are free to adapt hw to some degree so we make it easier to adapt sw/kernel to that hardware
14:52.54Wizzup`we are getting a new kernel on it right?
14:53.18Wizzup`what is the gpu on it?
14:53.32DocScrutinizer05yep, we need a "new" kernel to catch up all the little hw differences between N900 and Neo900
14:53.45DocScrutinizer05GPU is in SoC, so identical
14:53.56DocScrutinizer05unless we go for OMAP4
14:54.16DocScrutinizer05(which we won't do, for exactly that reason, among others)
14:54.24Wizzup`so powervr
14:54.26Wizzup`ok
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15:00.40DocScrutinizer05we got a ex-Nokia kernel developer already as volunteer who's willing to help on porting the fremantle kernel to new platform
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15:01.07DocScrutinizer05so if even ex-Nokia kernel devels think the idea is worth it....
15:01.08ApicKewl
15:01.47Wizzup`DocScrutinizer05: yeah, I just really dislike the powervr :p
15:01.57Wizzup`mali would be nice... but I don't think OMAP uses anything but powervr
15:01.59DocScrutinizer05well, who doesn't
15:02.17DocScrutinizer05but it's what we got, and we need to work with it
15:02.23Wizzup`:)
15:03.24DocScrutinizer05this project isn't about inventing a leete new OS with bleeding edge kernel and other core functions, that somehow looks like maemo
15:04.11DocScrutinizer05anybody planning to do that is free to start such project any time, without help from me or other GTA04 and Openmoko related persons
15:04.13LjL-Alpswhat's wrong with the PowerVR? (since i might just buy a phone that also uses it)
15:04.31DocScrutinizer05#1: closed drivers, aiui
15:04.47LjL-Alpsah well, they all have those though :(
15:04.59LjL-Alpsunless Lima pulls something good off
15:05.07DocScrutinizer05not even openmoko / GTA04 was able to provide FOSS drivers for it
15:05.26DocScrutinizer05mali400 I heard has semi-open drivers
15:05.45LjL-Alpsi don't know about semi-open, i know there's this "Lima" project to create open ones
15:05.45DocScrutinizer05see NovaThor
15:06.03Wizzup`DocScrutinizer05: I have a mali 400, the lima driver is not ready
15:06.10Wizzup`they have working 3d and stuff, but no X - yet
15:06.18Wizzup`but it's a lot more promising than mali
15:06.23Wizzup`there's also freedrone
15:06.25Wizzup`freedreno
15:06.35Wizzup`and I think there's also some decent work for the snapdragons?
15:06.45Wizzup`freedreno is most advanced
15:06.54DocScrutinizer05I dunno, I just asked inside ST-Ericsson about what I could do to help dm8tbr and co about some GPL-issue with a .h for mali400
15:07.19DocScrutinizer05doesn't mean I looked into the mali400 linux driver project closely
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15:08.38Wizzup`DocScrutinizer05: I am using a mali for my desktop right now :-)
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15:09.37DocScrutinizer05about that .h file for NovaThor, it been OSS but not FOSS, means ST-Ericsson didn't feel like GPLing it
15:09.49DocScrutinizer05which is terribly silly
15:10.20DocScrutinizer05and of course the FOSS community said "either GPL or we won't touch it" ;-P
15:10.39Wizzup`oh right
15:10.49Wizzup`I wanted to ask -- I have another ``half'' n900
15:10.51Wizzup`Mainly: the top part of a n900
15:11.02Wizzup`I think the digitizer is broken, but the lcd still works I think
15:11.21Wizzup`I want to see if I can somehow use the lcd from another device ... I guess I'll have to research the connector
15:11.55DocScrutinizer05sorry?
15:12.28Wizzup`yeah, nvm
15:12.36Wizzup`I'll think about it a bit more and come with a concrete q
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15:12.56DocScrutinizer05you want to use it FOR another project?
15:13.17DocScrutinizer05not use some LCD _from_ another project
15:13.20Wizzup`well, I just want to send data to it and see it display something
15:13.24Wizzup`no, I have a spare-n900 lcd
15:13.30Wizzup`no particular project, just for fun
15:14.26DocScrutinizer05~schem
15:14.30DocScrutinizer05~schematics
15:14.30infobotwell, schematics is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic
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15:15.28cehtehDocScrutinizer05: are there any chances to get 1-2GB ram into the Neo900?
15:17.28RiD2? calm down
15:17.32RiDthis aint android
15:18.29DocScrutinizer05cehteh: yet to be evaluated
15:18.45DocScrutinizer05depends on SoC (since RAM is in PoP)
15:18.50cehtehi tihnk the point is more availability than price
15:18.52cehtehyes
15:19.01DocScrutinizer05and I dunno if OMAP3 even supports >512RAM
15:19.09cehtehme neither
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15:19.56cehtehwould be nice though .. and prolly only a few bucks more expensive
15:20.34RiDwith 2GB i'd keep all apps I use open
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15:21.45cehtehwell they prolly suck power as well, not so good idea, but i think it should aim for as much as possible ram as doable (availability and price)
15:22.09RiDshouldn't suck that much... i guess
15:22.13ShadowJKN9 is omap3
15:22.18ShadowJKisn't it?
15:22.40wmaroneyup
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15:56.04DocScrutinizer05I probably should've said "I dunno if DM3730 can have PoP with more than 512MB RAM"
15:57.17DocScrutinizer05oooh, and I wouldn't go for TI OMAP4 ever, it has nasty SiErr that is WONTFIX for OMAP4
15:57.50DocScrutinizer05particularly not coming back from idle on GPIO-IRQ
15:58.37DocScrutinizer05which makes everything a monster PITA, I had my share of fun for making HSI interface work
15:58.57LjL-Alpsshudders, since that's what his prospective Galaxy Nexus mounts
15:59.00DocScrutinizer05"bug: AP doesn't awake on modem activity"
16:00.00DocScrutinizer05"bug: modem log buffer overflow"
16:00.17DocScrutinizer05"bug: HSI freezing"
16:01.06DocScrutinizer05TI: "wontfix in OMAP4, sheduled fix in OMAP5"
16:01.32DocScrutinizer05LOLWUT?!!??
16:02.17dos1I've found that DM3730 supports up to 4Gb RAM - so now... was that really Gb (512 MB) or mistyped GB? ;x
16:02.18DocScrutinizer05it seems to only happen when certain patterns of active and passive blocks on SoC
16:02.25dos1looks like Gb - http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/davinci_digital_media_processors/f/537/t/281576.aspx
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16:02.53DocScrutinizer05thought as much
16:03.07DocScrutinizer05been there, checked that
16:03.55DocScrutinizer05matter of addr pins on PoP interface
16:04.29ShadowJK4g ram is in practice not doable either, I/O takes up much address space
16:04.41DocScrutinizer05I wasn't all sure, so I said "I dunno..." instead of "it doesn't..."
16:05.38dos1what do memory makers mean by "Meg" and "Gig"? ...
16:05.52DocScrutinizer05*shrug*
16:06.05DocScrutinizer05usually 2^N
16:06.31DocScrutinizer05bbl, have to run
16:06.56dos1yeah, but "1 Gig" - is it gigabyte? gigabit? I hate that :/
16:07.07DocScrutinizer05bit
16:07.21DocScrutinizer05most usually bit
16:07.47DocScrutinizer05since memmaker doesn't care about wordsize of AP
16:08.03DocScrutinizer05can be byte, 16bit, even 18bit, whatever
16:08.22DocScrutinizer05so mem size is usually *bit
16:08.42dos1k
16:08.52DocScrutinizer05o/
16:08.54dos1makes some sense
16:08.59dos1cya
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17:07.52LithdkYou guys seem pretty competent. I wanna try archlinux on my laptop, but I gotta use it for a 1 week work course in 2 weeks. Will it destroy my hardware if I forget to install something? Like hw monitors/sensors, not enabling or installing modules etc. or will I just be able to revert back to crunchbang if I screw up?
17:11.06lexikheh.. offtopic, but: probably no. however Arch Linux is well documented, so dont worry
17:12.21lexikif you will forget some driver, for example, it will "just not work"
17:13.13LithdkWell I can just wipe the HD and install another distro then right?
17:13.18lexik[/offtopic]
17:13.25lexikyes
17:13.25DocScrutinizer05yes
17:13.42LithdkAnd sorry for the off-topic. Competent people are hard to come by
17:13.49LithdkThanks
17:14.17DocScrutinizer05you *might* "destroy" your whataver-crap installation invented in redmond though, when you do not take care during repartitioning the HD
17:14.59DocScrutinizer05I.E. take care of your windows (and maybe recovery) partitions
17:15.06Lithdkdont have windows
17:15.29LithdkCrap laptop, and CrunchBang is not light enough
17:16.02lexikcrunchbag is not light enough?!?! :D
17:16.33LithdkIt's really really bad. But I only use it once every blue moon for libreoffice
17:17.26lexikif crunchbag is not light enough, maybe try Gentoo
17:17.57LithdkSo if I can get arch working I can decide how light-weight it'll be and get some experience
17:18.11LithdkYeah I dont got the time for that :P
17:19.11lexikwhat about Puppy Linux? it is ugly (just like from '95) but EXTREMELY lightweight
17:19.29lexikor Damn small linux / Tiny core linux?
17:20.09LithdkYeah but I'd get some experience from arch and wouldn't have to ask stupid questions like these anymore
17:21.45lexikNo you can't destroy your HW, if you will fsck something up, you can recover it via some livecd distr
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17:23.22lexikalso you can play with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81892
17:23.49LithdkExactly ^^ Was also on of the reasons I wanted to try arch on a laptop first
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17:25.21lexikMy first experience with Arch Linux was that :)
17:25.54lexikNow i'm going to get X working
17:27.15lexikafter that i'm going to play with Gentoo :)
17:28.26lexikalso interesting: http://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N900
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17:55.10kerio~pr131
17:55.10infobotsomebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin  or  http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
17:55.12kerioShadowJK: ^
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18:08.59LithdkInstalling arch and sh: nano: command not found.
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18:13.24kick-buttowskihello there
18:13.42kick-buttowskiis there a way to receive push notifications from ZNC in maemo ?
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18:19.36Sicelopush notifications? what are those?
18:21.56kick-buttowskiinstead of your device initiate a connection to a remote server to see if there's new info
18:22.07kick-buttowskithe central/remote server pushes that to your device
18:22.35kick-buttowskiso if someone says your name in IRC you get notified instantly
18:22.48kick-buttowskiinstead of after 5 minutes when you pull for the data from your device
18:23.30DocScrutinizer05kick-buttowski: yes, I think there's some mail service for that in ZNC1.9
18:23.37DocScrutinizer051.0 even
18:24.09kick-buttowskiimagined as much
18:24.16kick-buttowskibut an email seems expensive for something like this
18:24.26kick-buttowskiand was wondering if maemo had stuff like this
18:24.31kick-buttowskihttps://github.com/jreese/znc-push
18:24.48DocScrutinizer05what else could ZNC possibly do? it doesn't know what's the IP of your client
18:25.21kick-buttowskithat's right, znc needs to be hooked to a service
18:25.50kick-buttowskithere are a lot of those for iOS and android
18:25.58kick-buttowskibecause push is heavily used there
18:27.31DocScrutinizer05push is a fuzzy term, used for glorified obfuscated pull services
18:27.58DocScrutinizer05there's no technical means to "push" sth to a mobile device with changing IP
18:28.17DocScrutinizer05the mobile *always* needs to do some form of pull
18:28.29kick-buttowskithat's correct, but I'm not trying to argue semantics here
18:28.31dos1well, the device makes connection to server
18:28.49dos1but preserves it, so then server can "push"
18:28.54DocScrutinizer05even for SMS based push the mobile does "pull" by registering to the network
18:28.57kick-buttowskithat's the term that's been widely adopted and I have no interest in changing it :)
18:29.38dos1so there's some pull (making connection), but it's a bit different than standard pulling or even long polling
18:29.41kick-buttowskiin anycase even if it's not 100% pull and does require the device to at some point register itself
18:29.56kick-buttowskiit's not like a mail client logging in via IMAP every 10 minutes
18:30.06DocScrutinizer05so you can call all that's going on between ZNC and IRC client ass "push" already
18:30.13DocScrutinizer05s/ass/as/
18:30.46DocScrutinizer05kick-buttowski: yes, it's exactly that
18:31.59DocScrutinizer05your IRC client "logs in" to ZNC and every now and then sends a keep-alive-ping (every 180s or sth). Everything else is already PUSH
18:32.53kick-buttowskii think you are looking at it the wrong way
18:33.05DocScrutinizer05to keep a connection to a mobile roaming device, the device needs to send NAT keep alive packets every few minutes
18:33.05dos1right
18:33.43dos1"push notifications" technically are just as simple as that
18:33.57DocScrutinizer05everything else that's sent from a server to that device via any such conection is "push"
18:34.43DocScrutinizer05unless you use "out of band" signalling like e.g. SMS
18:35.05dos1in browsers they are commonly implemented as just persistent HTTP connections
18:35.23DocScrutinizer05which as well need keep-alive
18:35.50DocScrutinizer05or otherwise NAT session will time out and your persistent HTTP connection is moot
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18:36.43kick-buttowskithis has gone way off topic :)
18:36.45DocScrutinizer05IRC protocol is perfectly meeting all the definitions of a push service
18:37.15kick-buttowskiit's not if irc is push or not
18:37.29kick-buttowskifor instance on my android device I don't have IRC client open at all times
18:38.07DocScrutinizer05yeah, so you use mail based "push" service that notifies you that somebody on IRC has highlighted your nick
18:38.16kick-buttowskiI use notify my android which has a very small service that receives push notifications from various sources
18:38.48DocScrutinizer05or maybe not mail based by´ut any other polling/pulling protocol
18:38.51kick-buttowskiif I used the mail client I would get those notifications every time minutes which is when the mail client connects to the server
18:39.03DocScrutinizer05s/by'/b/
18:39.11DocScrutinizer05s/by´/b/
18:39.20kick-buttowskiusing email in itself is not really a problem
18:39.40kick-buttowskibut it does seem like overkill to me
18:39.44kick-buttowskicoming from the android world
18:39.58kick-buttowskispecially if you are popular :p
18:40.11DocScrutinizer05well, does you CLIENT support any other push service than mail?
18:40.52DocScrutinizer05and particularly, more lightweight than IRC protocol already is
18:40.55kick-buttowskiyou mean my IRC client ?
18:41.00DocScrutinizer05yes
18:42.02DocScrutinizer05or your whole client side OS
18:42.22kick-buttowskiandroid and iOS have push service
18:42.28kick-buttowskisome from google/apple directly
18:42.34DocScrutinizer05you need to use *some* protocil to pull the supposedly pushed notification
18:42.38kick-buttowskiand some from third parties like notify my android
18:42.50kick-buttowskiI have no idea about maemo
18:42.57kick-buttowskiand that's what I orginially set out for
18:43.53DocScrutinizer05maemo doesn't support any "push" protocols except for Nokia mail afaik, and of course SMS
18:44.27Siceloand MS Exchange ;)
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18:44.55kick-buttowskiso the best bet is to use mails
18:44.59DocScrutinizer05again, for any "push" service the initiative has to come from your client, which needs to *poll* the "push"-service
18:45.32kick-buttowskisomething like https://github.com/bgirard/znc-cmd-notify
18:45.43DocScrutinizer05IRC itself is a almost perfect protocol for that
18:45.45kick-buttowskito just send out an email when something happens that you care
18:46.26DocScrutinizer05it's probably more lightweight than POP3 or IMAP
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18:48.00DocScrutinizer05so, instead of using for example POP3 to poll your mail every 10 minutes to learn about any "push" event, you as well can start your IRC client every 10 minutes and pull new stuff from ZNC directly
18:49.07DocScrutinizer05sorry, I'm busy with other topics. cya
18:49.19kick-buttowskithanks
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19:05.46kerioDocScrutinizer05: fwiw, we already theorized the mobile irc bouncer, didn't we
19:06.06kerionotify the bouncer on screen blank to stop sending stuff except in case of nickpings
19:06.30keriosend scrollback in bulk every 2 minutes
19:07.38kerioso you can idle on irc for free
19:09.47DocScrutinizer05yep
19:10.18DocScrutinizer05and ShadowJK(?) actually already implemented something almost similar, by simply tweaking netfilters
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19:48.42lexikDocScrutinizer05: A BIG problem about Neo900: Nokia. Mass production? eeh... Nokia is an pattent troll, and what we are going to do, is that we are going to sell modified Nokia's....
19:49.29lexikIn my opinion, we will need a good lawyer :/
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19:51.21lexikMass production is impossible, imho.
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19:56.30RiDlexik they dont care for the n900
19:56.40DocScrutinizer05dafaq, we're not selling anything Nokia related
19:56.50RiDheck, they mass produce it
19:56.58RiDyou then install the os on it, and get the case
19:57.23RiDit could be a bit of a problem if it came with fremantle already
19:57.35DocScrutinizer05which it won't
19:59.10DocScrutinizer05we're also not infringing any patents Nokia could troll us
20:00.06DocScrutinizer05Nokia *could* try to sue the hongkong sellers of the space cases
20:00.57lexikHowever we will have to develop special edition of fremantle for Neo...
20:00.58DocScrutinizer05since at least the white and golden ones are knockoffs for sure
20:01.09nox-Neo900?  whats that?
20:01.15DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
20:01.21lexik~neo900
20:01.21infobothmm... neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
20:01.29lexikgood :)
20:01.49DocScrutinizer05lexik: for the 1000th time: fremantle is FOSS plus a few blobs the community may redistribute freely
20:02.39nox-hmm interesting...
20:02.46DocScrutinizer05and it's not GolDeliCo working on fremantle neo port, it's the community
20:03.08lexiki know that fact.. but next CSSU must be compatible with both devices
20:03.14lexikn900 and neo900
20:03.19DocScrutinizer05GolDeliCo doesn't do software, we don't even have the manpower for that
20:04.18DocScrutinizer05lexik: please gimme a break, I can't take more of your nagging
20:04.20lexikWE (aka the Maemo Community) will have to delop SW for it, i know :) ;)
20:05.00RiDspeaking of that, i'm gonna chunk 55€ on an used n900
20:05.07RiDhopefully i do cool stuff with the usb ._.
20:05.22RiDthis time it'll be soldered
20:06.04DocScrutinizer05FWIW I'm just chatting with FatPhil in other channel. He#s ex-Nokia kernel developer helping to port fremantle to the new platform
20:06.26lexiksaw him on tmo, cool :)
20:08.44lexikRiD: dont talk me about usb :D tommorow im going to try repair mine "_"
20:09.12RiDhow broken is yours? :P
20:09.23RiDmine had the pads all good, but then the idiot who tried to repair it ruined the pads
20:09.31RiDso now only doing some alternative wiring
20:09.37RiDlike oh2btg's fix
20:09.43lexikpads on board are okay...
20:09.53lexikso i will try to "just solder it"
20:10.00RiDah good luck, wish mine was like that
20:10.50lexikAlso i have 20 microusb's from dx.com, if someone from Czech or Slovakia wants some, i can give it him for free :D
20:11.05lexikargh.. *19 microusb's
20:11.11RiDi guess it'll be 15
20:11.16RiDsince you'll ruin quite a few
20:11.17RiDruns
20:11.21lexik:P
20:11.56lexikI hope it'll be 19 :P
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20:21.39raccoon_so, what's the best option to keep those usb micro critters in place after some times use? epoxy?
20:21.55RiDno
20:22.00RiD~usb
20:22.00infobotmethinks usb is Unusable Serial Bus.  Useless Serial Bus.  Ugly Stupid Bus
20:22.05RiD~microusb
20:22.11RiDuseless bot
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20:23.00RiDhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920&highlight=fix+usb
20:23.08RiDhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 is better
20:23.14RiDfollow any of the soldering down guides
20:32.03DocScrutinizer05~usbfix
20:32.04infobotusbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
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20:32.55DocScrutinizer05~listkeys usb
20:33.15DocScrutinizer05~forget between the husbandryman and the historian
20:33.15infoboti forgot between the husbandryman and the historian, DocScrutinizer05
20:33.43DocScrutinizer05~forget uk usb keyoards
20:33.43infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot uk usb keyoards
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20:35.08raccoon_ok cool! thansk for the info
20:35.20DocScrutinizer05yw
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20:36.32RiDDocScrutinizer05 infobot is your pet, isn't it?
20:36.38RiDyou take care of it everyday
20:36.44DocScrutinizer05yoh
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20:37.04DocScrutinizer05~botsnack
20:37.04infobotDocScrutinizer05: :)
20:38.00DocScrutinizer05look, I got so used to using it that I pestered TimRiker too often when it been gone or buggy. So he gave me +o
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20:38.51DocScrutinizer05for some weird reason he thought I wouldn't abuse that ;-P
20:39.35DocScrutinizer05downside: I can't tell her ~die anymore
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20:39.55DocScrutinizer05she takes that too literally
20:39.58RiDoh it's a she
20:40.00DocScrutinizer05;-P
20:40.05DocScrutinizer05~gender
20:40.05infobotI'm hermaphroditic
20:40.10RiDouch
20:40.18RiDwell but i can
20:40.20RiD~die
20:40.21infobotACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.
20:40.42DocScrutinizer05~attack RiD
20:40.42infobotACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing RiD
20:40.51RiD"she's"
20:41.05RiDit's time
20:41.08DocScrutinizer05~rape RiD
20:41.08infobotACTION takes RiD behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams
20:41.08RiDruns for his life
20:41.21RiDok that's just horrible
20:41.27RiDraped by a hermaphorditi
20:41.30RiDtypos
20:42.06RiDgotta get RiD (lol) of the bad habit of pressing enter too early
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21:11.08MohammadAGA month into android mod development made me miss the days of maemo
21:22.36RiDMohammadAG what did you do
21:22.50MohammadAGA lot of stuff
21:22.59RiDi do a lot of stuff too
21:23.11MohammadAGBut I hit a brick wall that reminded me of maemo's awesome devs
21:23.23MohammadAGThe likes of DocScrutinizer05 and jacekowski
21:23.34DocScrutinizer05HUH?
21:23.56DocScrutinizer05hi moh
21:24.00RiDwelcome back
21:24.01MohammadAGI feel like the Android community doesnt have one single qualified engineer
21:24.03RiDi salute you
21:24.10MohammadAGHi DocScrutinizer05
21:24.18MohammadAGRiD heard of Xposed?
21:24.18RiDi am a qualified engineer, though only in my mind
21:24.19DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: see
21:24.21DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
21:24.28RiDoh yeah, i heard it sucks
21:24.37RiDjoke, i just googled it and i'm reading the xda topic
21:25.23DocScrutinizer05wonders how a brick wall can remind MohammadAG about him
21:25.45DocScrutinizer05I know i'm stubborn, but....
21:25.46RiDsounds interesting
21:25.46MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05 I remember you mentioned eMMC hardware locks once
21:26.21MohammadAGRiD it is, android modding only got interesting after it
21:26.40RiDmy tablet doesnt have much support anyways
21:26.42MohammadAGIts like the only sane project related to mods on android
21:26.57MohammadAGMuch support for what?
21:27.24MohammadAGThe framework runs on any 4.0.3+ device
21:27.30RiDwell, there's obviously more roms and tweaks and etc for a nexus device
21:27.44MohammadAGThats where you come in
21:27.52RiDeh me?
21:27.57MohammadAGYeah you
21:28.01RiDwhat did i do
21:28.02RiDi'm innocent
21:28.03MohammadAGYou make the mods
21:28.08RiDHAH good grief
21:28.13RiDthough i'd love to have a go at the theming
21:28.28MohammadAGThe S4 had no mods besides one
21:28.57MohammadAGI kind of made 5-8 mods
21:29.14MohammadAGOne of which I'm very proud of
21:29.23RiDi'm checking your profile now
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21:29.48RiDhttp://mohammadag.xceleo.org/myXposedModules
21:30.02RiDwhat's the one you are proud of?
21:30.16RiDsorry i mean very proud*
21:30.43MohammadAGhttps://github.com/MohammadAG/Xposed-SView-Poweramp/blob/master/src/com/mohammadag/sviewpowerampmetadata/SViewPowerampMetadata.java
21:31.14RiDwoah, that cover
21:31.18MohammadAGDisclaimer: I didn't know java when I started on Android
21:31.24RiDsounds really cool, any pic of it running?
21:31.50DocScrutinizer05SViewPowerampMetadata?
21:31.57RiDnvm i found one
21:32.05MohammadAGhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tt0pG40d1w&feature=youtube_gdata_player
21:32.07DocScrutinizer05unknots his tongue
21:32.15MohammadAGUnlisted videos
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21:32.30MohammadAGErr video,  till I get a proper camera
21:32.39RiDdon't you have your N900?
21:32.50MohammadAGI do, but no tripod for that
21:32.58RiDthere's no need for a tripod
21:33.04RiDi know black magic
21:33.17MohammadAGThere is when you're making a promotional video for google play :p
21:33.33RiDget a glass table and put the phone lying on it, with camera open
21:33.42MohammadAGReviewers on Android eat you alive
21:33.42RiD(yeah, that glass better be transparent)
21:33.56RiDi know right.. they rate apps 1 star because something doesn't work when it's their own fault
21:34.03MohammadAGYeah
21:34.20RiDand i'm stuck with brazillian reviews (damn you localization, i'm portuguese)
21:34.22MohammadAGSomeone rated my app 3 stars and said "I haven't used this yet"
21:34.31MohammadAGThat kind of annoyed me a bit too much
21:34.44RiDthey're not exactly the brightest reviewers. "too slow on my *insert horribly slow phone*"
21:35.02MohammadAGThat's why I supoort 4.0+
21:35.10RiDoh yeah, death to anything below 4.0
21:35.17MohammadAGIndeed
21:35.20RiDamazing how it even survived
21:35.38MohammadAGWhats more amazing is how android succeeded before 4.0
21:35.40RiDcrap... google play knows what music i like
21:36.03RiDi didnt download a single thing, but "Popular with Crystal Method listeners", how the hell does google know i like the crystal method
21:36.11MohammadAGTbh at this point, I'm expecting Google Now to tell me when it's time to take a shit
21:36.12RiDyes, that's what i mean MohammadAG
21:36.30RiDit recommended me a fluke album... i have it already
21:36.33ShadowJKpopular with crystal meth
21:36.37RiDNO
21:36.40RiDmethod!
21:36.50RiDgoogle play forgot the "The" though
21:36.53MohammadAGo/ ShadowJK
21:36.56keriocrystal meth is a lot more popular than the crystal method
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21:37.12RiDi'll just sit in a corner and cry
21:37.15ShadowJKhallo
21:37.17LjL-Alpsbooo my N900 seems to have developed a stuck green pixel
21:37.25kerioLjL-Alps: toggle it
21:37.28keriotoggle it like fuck
21:37.30LjL-Alpsduring using SHR, doubt it can cause that though
21:37.36MohammadAGRiD done any play store apps?
21:37.37RiDMohammadAG you got some fancy clean icons on your apps! ++
21:37.45LjL-Alpskerio: is there something handy to achieve taht?
21:37.54kerioidk if there's something
21:37.57keriocheck the repos
21:37.59RiDnah i'm not a developer
21:38.01SiceloLjL-Alps: able to access SIM or modem in your SHR install?
21:38.03MohammadAGRiD that's cause I suck at designing so I use clipart from ADT :P
21:38.05RiDi guess the only thing i could do is themes
21:38.18RiDand i'm actually tempted to do one
21:38.24DocScrutinizer05LjL-Alps: that#s most likely a bad bit in video RAM
21:38.28MohammadAGwith xposed?
21:38.30RiDi've seen some that aren't exactly good looking (not wanting to offend creators) yet they sell quite well
21:38.38DocScrutinizer05only thing that could _cause_ it is OC
21:38.54MohammadAGTbh I only consider two apps successful
21:39.09LjL-AlpsSicelo, i'm afraid i haven't gotten there yet (SIM isn't in the phone). i've spent the past hours reinstalling it several times, sometimes -core sometimes -staging
21:39.15MohammadAGMy usb mass storage app at 75k downloads and the file beam one
21:39.23LjL-AlpsDocScrutinizer05: whoops. i do overclock to 850... no idea what sort of clock SHR uses, though
21:39.31RiDspeaking of that usb mass storage app
21:39.34MohammadAG100 points for nokia for making the N9 support Android's protocol
21:39.41RiDits compatible with my tablet yet my tablet already supports it natively
21:39.43DocScrutinizer05SHR doesn't use clocks I think
21:39.49MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05 so, remember the ro mmc lock?
21:40.00DocScrutinizer05it most likely will run the device as recommended
21:40.09MohammadAGRiD Samsung?
21:40.13LjL-AlpsDocScrutinizer05: i see
21:40.15DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: not really, only for NAND
21:40.17RiDGalaxy Tab 10.1, 3G. (GT-P7500)
21:40.29RiDso i guess the wi-fi only (7510) can also install it
21:40.32MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05 same thing?
21:40.39DocScrutinizer05well, kinda
21:40.49MohammadAGThe hardware enforces a lock set somewherr by kernel or bootloader
21:40.55kerioanyway, i still can't wifi in my home
21:40.58DocScrutinizer05on NAND there is such thing like write-protect bits
21:41.02MohammadAGAnd only a power cycle allows an unlock
21:41.09DocScrutinizer05for NAND erase pages usually
21:41.33MohammadAGRiD it should support most samsung devices that arent nexii :)
21:41.36DocScrutinizer05on N9 it seems NAND has even read lock
21:41.42MohammadAGIf you have a flash try adjustable torch
21:41.52DocScrutinizer05and allegedly the locks can't get reset
21:41.53MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05 I think my S4 has that too
21:41.56RiDyeah but the tablet already natively supports it, so there's no need
21:42.07RiDoh wait no
21:42.09DocScrutinizer05which SoC?
21:42.11MohammadAGIts like I asked for aegis's cousin
21:42.12RiDi've been misreading it all time
21:42.14RiDi'm dumb, sorry
21:42.26MohammadAGARM's TrustZone
21:42.31MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05 exynos
21:42.33DocScrutinizer05:nod:
21:42.43RiDBut still, makes no sense. Galaxy Tab 10.1 does not support microSD
21:42.48RiDi'm nagging you
21:42.50MohammadAGExynos 5140 I think
21:43.00kerioDocScrutinizer05: neo900 feature request: aegis
21:43.01MohammadAGRiD whaa?
21:43.08DocScrutinizer05I dunno exynos by heart but when it's trustzone then yes, likely same shit as in N9
21:43.15MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05 worse
21:43.21DocScrutinizer05~shoot kerio
21:43.21infobotACTION shoots kerio in the foot with a glue gun!
21:43.26RiD"this will not work with your internal memory due to hardware and software limitations."
21:43.29MohammadAGThere's this thing in android called screen mirroring
21:43.30keriowe will never attract developers without strong drm capabilities!
21:43.33MohammadAGIt uses miracast
21:43.35RiDbut on the tablet, there's nothing but internal memory
21:43.38RiDsee what i mean?
21:43.39RiDruns
21:43.43MohammadAGSamsung decided to make their own implementation
21:43.59MohammadAGRiD then /sdcard is a separate partition :)
21:44.10MohammadAGTheir implementation uses HDCP
21:44.11RiDowat
21:44.15RiDthen i guess i could use that :O
21:44.22RiDim gonna try it right now
21:44.26RiDi hate MTP to its heart
21:44.28RiDhorrible piece of bleep
21:44.37MohammadAGOh wait wait wait
21:44.40DocScrutinizer05~kill kerio
21:44.40infobotACTION shoots a inverse anti-quark gun at kerio
21:44.40MohammadAGRiD
21:44.43RiDDiR
21:44.46MohammadAGI thought you said it worked
21:44.51RiDnonono
21:44.55RiDi'll try it anyways
21:45.02MohammadAGIt wont work unless your /sdcard is a separate partition
21:45.07RiDif it doesnt work i'll give you 1 star don't worry
21:45.14RiDuhehueuheuhehu
21:45.37MohammadAGSo DocScrutinizer05, their libhdcp2.so tries to open TrustZone, and fails if you have ever flashed the device with any other kernel
21:45.45kerioneat
21:45.50kerioso you lose screen mirroring permanently?
21:45.55DocScrutinizer05niiiiice
21:45.59MohammadAGRiD :@
21:46.07keriosweet
21:46.14RiD1 star, and review will say: i haven't even opened it yet
21:46.20keriowhat's the big deal though? can't you just add a fake trustzone?
21:46.25MohammadAGkerio well, on the Note 2 for example, you can reset the flash count and go back to stock so it works again
21:46.34RiDanyways, what happened to your 900?
21:46.43MohammadAGAnd here's what reminded of DocScrutinizer05
21:47.09MohammadAGOn the S4, the partition that stores the flash count has write protection on the hardware level
21:47.15DocScrutinizer05my famous statement "aegis is a spawn of hell" ?
21:47.18MohammadAGAnd what sets the write protect flag
21:47.33MohammadAGSamsung's very own NOLO
21:47.41MohammadAGTheir own signed bootloader
21:47.46DocScrutinizer05sure
21:47.46keriobut samsung is so open
21:47.51kerioandroid is so open
21:48.02kerioit's linux, and linux is free
21:48.09DocScrutinizer05LOL
21:48.09MohammadAGThe only way to reset this write protection is to cut off power to the eMMC
21:48.32MohammadAGIdk if thats even possible
21:48.46MohammadAGkerio stock aosp is open :p
21:48.51teotwaki_MohammadAG: sup
21:48.51DocScrutinizer05ooohwait, SD cards are S because they have some shit added that's not found in MMC
21:48.53kerioanything is possible with a steady hand and a soldering gun
21:48.57RiDSecure
21:49.00MohammadAGSamsung was awesome up until the S2
21:49.09MohammadAGThen they gave into money and appleism
21:49.13teotwaki_The Note2 is pretty awesome
21:49.15keriothey suck at being apple, though
21:49.20MohammadAGteotwaki_ heyy
21:49.25keriohell, even apple sucks at being apple lately
21:49.31DocScrutinizer05I never heard of anything using the "Secure" in SD
21:49.41MohammadAGNothing much, just stabbing myself at how I bought a 100 buck adapter for nothing
21:49.42kerioDocScrutinizer05: windows phone used the "secure" in SD
21:49.45DocScrutinizer05but it might well be what you're running into here
21:49.58kerioand everyone went crazy because nobody had any idea of what was going on
21:50.01MohammadAGkerio apple still allows you to do the stuff you always did while jailbroken
21:50.07RiDok going to try it now
21:50.09RiDget ready for 1 star
21:50.16MohammadAGteotwaki_ it is
21:50.16RiD"doesn't work it requires cable"
21:50.29MohammadAGI regret trading it for the S4
21:50.32keriowhich application is this?
21:50.51DocScrutinizer05huh?
21:50.55MohammadAGRiD I swear I'll be under your bed if I get that 1 star
21:50.58kerioMohammadAG's
21:51.25DocScrutinizer05oooh hi teotwaki_
21:51.32RiDS3C Gadget not available in your kernel! Application disabled
21:51.35RiDsorry, that's 1 star from me
21:51.44teotwaki_I suffer brain overload
21:51.57MohammadAGBut there's hope, there's a leaked engineering bootloader that doesnt set the write protect flag
21:52.04teotwaki_I've dumped half the haproxy and whole nginx documentations in my head
21:52.23DocScrutinizer05lol
21:52.35kerioRiD: "instructions unclear, penis stuck in SIM slot"
21:52.44RiDwhat XD
21:52.56kerioteotwaki_: is there any reason why there's no good, non-russian documentation for nginx anywhere?
21:52.57RiDthat has got to be small
21:53.05DocScrutinizer05teotwaki_: seen latest madness?
21:53.06kerioRiD: nope, that's why it got stuck
21:53.09teotwaki_DocScrutinizer05: nope?
21:53.14DocScrutinizer05Neo900
21:53.19kerio:D
21:53.23RiDi reviewed it
21:53.24DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
21:53.24teotwaki_kerio: source code is the best documentation.
21:53.28keriooic
21:53.30RiDyou got a little bit more of the star now
21:54.22MohammadAGBtw about that
21:54.23MohammadAGHow are you planning to get funding?
21:54.24kerioRiD: link to the review
21:54.44DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: unclear yet, we might start a fundraiser
21:55.02teotwaki_DocScrutinizer05: funky
21:55.07kerioDocScrutinizer05: let's call it the ubuntu neo900
21:55.11kerioand run a kickstarter
21:55.14DocScrutinizer05for now we want to see if any chances for this thing to fly
21:55.23MohammadAGAwww thanks RiD
21:55.36teotwaki_DocScrutinizer05: dual core or not?
21:55.45MohammadAGkerio the edgy 9000
21:55.46DocScrutinizer05********************************* take a few of these stars
21:55.55DocScrutinizer05teotwaki_: DM3730
21:55.57keriograbs ***
21:55.59RiDits not the truth
21:56.29DocScrutinizer05teotwaki_: not aimed at high end bleeding edge but at N900 compatibility
21:57.03MohammadAGHow's the sailfish device going
21:57.11DocScrutinizer05*shrug*
21:57.13teotwaki_price range? (ballpark)
21:57.17MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05 ask Ballmer for funding
21:57.19DocScrutinizer05700
21:57.23teotwaki_700?
21:57.36MohammadAGYens I hope :p
21:57.48teotwaki_I do realise that you don't have economy of scale and stuff
21:57.49DocScrutinizer05sure, we're not Samsung, we can't get the prices they get
21:58.07MohammadAGSamsung doesnt get prices
21:58.10teotwaki_but the original n900 went for 200euro less
21:58.13MohammadAGThey make their own cpu
21:58.20MohammadAGTheir own memory
21:58.22RiDew i should change my google+ icon
21:58.24DocScrutinizer05s/prices/offers/
21:58.41MohammadAGTheir own display
21:58.50MohammadAGThe camera's a Sony though
21:59.05keriolet's make our own cpu, memory and display!
21:59.09keriothat's cheap right
21:59.23RiDoh right
21:59.24teotwaki_DocScrutinizer05: good luck. Hope it works out.
21:59.29RiDi know how google knows what music i like... duh
21:59.31RiDyoutube... duh
21:59.32DocScrutinizer05we'll see
21:59.38kerioteotwaki_: will you buy like 50 of those?
21:59.44MohammadAGNokia's marketing is getting better btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vR4LeL0yzE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
21:59.47teotwaki_kerio: the Neo900?
21:59.53kerioyeah
22:00.02teotwaki_kerio: doubt I'll buy even one, honestly.
22:00.03MohammadAGThey kind of dissed every other manufacturer
22:00.05kerio:(
22:00.14teotwaki_my n900 still works well
22:00.17RiDok i thank google already
22:00.25RiDit helped me find an awesome artist
22:00.34kerioyeah but the neo900 is going to be actually viable
22:00.39keriolike, it will have ram
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22:00.44RiDand it'll work
22:00.57teotwaki_1GB of RAM?
22:01.01RiDwoah i fell in love with celldweller already
22:01.09kerio32gb of ram!
22:01.14DocScrutinizer05OMAP3 has hard limit at 512MB
22:01.17MohammadAGI still like how a stock N900 multitasks better than a stock S3
22:01.24kerioDocScrutinizer05: really? :o
22:01.27kerioso we can't get to 1gb?
22:01.32DocScrutinizer05nope
22:01.39MohammadAG256mb on n900 vs 1gb on s3
22:01.41keriothat sucks
22:01.46RiDMohammadAG you have not yet answered my question (or i didn't read it), do you still own a n900
22:01.51keriocan we get some really, really fast swap?
22:01.52RiDalso, some s3 have 2gb
22:01.55RiDdepends on the variant you get
22:01.57MohammadAGRiD yes
22:02.02RiDnice, is it all broken
22:02.04DocScrutinizer05kerio: maybe
22:02.13teotwaki_Weird
22:02.21teotwaki_I guess Moore's law doesn't apply to Harmattan
22:02.33MohammadAGNope, still in good condition
22:02.40teotwaki_2009: 256MB RAM. 2014: 512MB RAM.
22:02.45MohammadAGRiD 9505 yes
22:02.55MohammadAGErr 9305
22:03.09RiDteotwaki harmattan?
22:03.12RiDthat'd be 1GB
22:03.14DocScrutinizer05teotwaki_: I doubt any OMAP3 will get sold in 2014
22:03.14MohammadAGMeanwhile, fast forward to september 4th
22:03.33MohammadAGSamsung will unveil the new Note 3 with 3GBs of RAM
22:03.33RiDdo you still use your n900?
22:03.34DocScrutinizer05TI will start to roll out omap5 in 2014
22:03.40MohammadAGAnd it'll still lag
22:03.43RiDNote 4 will have 4 GB
22:03.47RiDNote 5 will have... 5
22:03.47DocScrutinizer05or they already did
22:03.48MohammadAGRiD not much tbh
22:04.02RiDi understand, i guess you prefer to browse the web on your s3
22:04.03RiDby a far margin
22:04.07MohammadAGWhen it comes to actual usage I still use my N9 a lot
22:04.17MohammadAGRiD S4
22:04.17teotwaki_I use a Wiko...
22:04.19RiDoh s4
22:04.25MohammadAGThe S3 was an abomination
22:04.29RiDhow so?
22:04.36MohammadAGSlow as fuck
22:04.38RiDdafuq
22:04.40RiDslow?
22:04.43MohammadAGYes
22:04.44teotwaki_1GB of RAM, dual core 1Ghz CPU, 5inch screen... 200euros.
22:04.50MohammadAG1GB of ram wasnt enough
22:05.06MohammadAGAt startup you'd have about 200mbs of free ram
22:05.09DocScrutinizer05now what?
22:05.13MohammadAGPlus 200 reserved for hardware
22:05.16RiDah touchwiz
22:05.26MohammadAGSo you get 600+ /800 used
22:05.38MohammadAGThe 200 are reserved by kernel
22:06.00MohammadAGWith the S4 they did the same mistake, albeit its not that bad here
22:06.23MohammadAGIt should've had 3GBs so it doesn't lock up when it finds my eyes
22:06.36RiDhaha
22:06.46MohammadAGTbh, I think my next device will be a Sony
22:06.58RiDthey have been sounding quite interesting lately
22:07.01MohammadAGa friend of mine got an xperia Z
22:07.03RiDand they're not ugly as hell unlike samsung
22:07.08MohammadAGIts really awesome
22:07.13teotwaki_then new version, 1.2 Ghz quad core, 1GB of RAM, 5" screen... 205 euros...
22:07.21RiDwhite samsung s3 looks like some kids toy
22:07.22MohammadAGMuch faster than the S4
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22:08.09teotwaki_http://fr.wikomobile.com/mobile.php?t=41&telephone-portable=WIKO-STAIRWAY
22:09.18RiDça va ça va
22:10.41teotwaki_the whole company switched to wiko
22:10.55RiDwiggly wiko
22:11.09teotwaki_RiD: you bore me. Your brain seems wiggly.
22:11.16RiDit is
22:12.03HurrianMohammadAG: the waterproofing is nice.
22:16.02MohammadAGHurrian everything about it is nice
22:16.13MohammadAGI'd trade my S4 for one any day
22:16.31MohammadAGOr the rumored Z1
22:16.51HurrianMohammadAG: only complaint is the non-removable battery but meh
22:17.18MohammadAGThe only time I remove my battery is when thr phone gets stuck or too hot
22:17.42MohammadAGI have an external portable charger
22:17.53HurrianI'm waiting for the Honami.
22:18.07MohammadAGI'm considering it
22:18.20MohammadAGAlthough the S4 was a setback in terms of cash
22:18.22jon_yhow do you replace non-removable battery?
22:18.32Hurrianbeen due for an upgrade now, and get the Z1
22:18.58jon_yhmm, nvm
22:19.32jon_ysorry, I was thinking about the neo900
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22:22.55RiDwhat would you do if the phone gets stuck but you cant take the battery out
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22:24.53jon_yhopefully you can hard reset by holding down a button somewhere?
22:25.25RiDwhat if you can't
22:25.30RiDWHAT IF
22:25.32RiDTHE MATRIX WAS REAL
22:25.39jon_yhmm, how does that work if it is all glass?
22:26.58RiDcaptcha "hold your horses" well that's new
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22:44.28Win7MacDocScrutinizer05: for a sample N900 for the Neo900, here's a device donation: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1369897#post1369897
22:49.22DocScrutinizer05handled
22:49.25DocScrutinizer05thanks
22:49.41Win7Mac;)
22:54.26RiDhe should have had donated to me
22:54.50Win7Macregarding community donations to HiFo for this project: sure, why not. My concerns were: where does it start, where does it end? We might be able to fund the prototypes, but are those donations meant for that?
22:56.44DocScrutinizer05GolDeliCo won't accept donations from HiFo for the prototypes, I guess
22:57.25Win7Macre yesterdays discussion...
22:57.44DocScrutinizer05when any community member wants to donate to Neo900, we will come up with a way to donate directly to the involved guys
22:57.51Win7Macbuy one and pay it from HiFo donations
22:58.11DocScrutinizer05that's a different thing
22:58.27Win7Macright
22:58.55DocScrutinizer05we're maemo community, we basically 'own' the N900
22:59.12Win7Maci really love this
22:59.15DocScrutinizer05Nokia used to hand out devices to devels
22:59.30DocScrutinizer05always been duty of council
22:59.55DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles send several to me :-)
23:00.07Win7Macoh, BTW, there's no real place for a council in an e.V....
23:00.23DocScrutinizer05:nod:
23:00.44DocScrutinizer05except when you say so in your vereins-statuten
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23:01.32Win7Macthat's why I wonder about different voting rights for active members and "irregular" ones in the webpad
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23:02.21Win7Macwhat would you like to see in that regard?
23:03.33DocScrutinizer05I'd think that's pretty hard to tell, since it's about voting in Verein (Vorstand etc), _not_ for voting for council that won't change (ever)
23:03.38DocScrutinizer05;-)
23:04.31Win7Macso no official status for council in the e.V.?
23:04.59DocScrutinizer05maybe for a e.V that really only manages the cash for community resp council, it's sane to say that only a very limited number of members can vote
23:05.35Win7Maccounilors would have same voting rights as every "irregular member" (community with 3-month-account, dropped karma
23:05.55DocScrutinizer05official status of council in e.V is "council represents the intentions of community which the e.V. is handling the cash for"
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23:07.22DocScrutinizer05I don't think council should have more power than other regular full members of e.V.  I however have a hard time figuring that some australian based garage user would vote the Vorstand of a german e.V.
23:09.18DocScrutinizer05not exactly simple stuff to get it right
23:09.53Win7MacWe *need* a "Mitgliederversammlung" as an entity. Those can be "active/regular members" (e.g. council) or whole community
23:10.04DocScrutinizer05it's one thing to found a e.V.  - it's a whole different thing to entangle and link it to maemo community
23:10.18Win7Macright...
23:10.33Win7Macthat's our task right now...
23:10.54DocScrutinizer05but honestly, I have little to no remaining capacity in my brain to handle that right now
23:11.30Win7Macsure, I thought so, just share your basic ideas about it please
23:11.41DocScrutinizer05I'm available as one of the foundation members, but not much more than that
23:12.02DocScrutinizer05I also didn't manage to look at that pad yet
23:12.50DocScrutinizer05and I'm trying to get out for a dinner (6h ago) resp now at least a beer, since some time
23:13.01Win7MacI just don't wanna see you whine about our new constitution after everything is done ;)
23:13.43DocScrutinizer05well, isn't that the usual pilitical method to get new laws installed?
23:14.11Win7Macmight be, I prefer it the smooth way
23:14.14DocScrutinizer05bring them up at 17:45, in the last meeting before summer holiday
23:14.46Win7Macapropos meeting, we need one for board
23:14.59DocScrutinizer05luckily i'm not board
23:15.18Win7Macenjoy your beer, you deserved it!
23:15.29DocScrutinizer05hah!
23:16.17Win7Machonestly!
23:16.25DocScrutinizer05I know why I'm unemployed - nobody could pay me for that stuff that I do
23:16.39Win7Macexactly!
23:16.54kerioDocScrutinizer05: btw, are you just running off of money reserves?
23:18.33DocScrutinizer05kinda
23:18.48kerioD:
23:18.49Win7Macthough as treasurer, I don't wanna spend our donations on the Neo900, I'm tempted to donate to your paypal for that project
23:19.06kerioWin7Mac: do eeet
23:19.25Win7Macbut I guess you got a bigger idea about that...
23:19.37kerioDocScrutinizer05: marry an old billionaire widow
23:19.58keriokill her discretely
23:20.01keriofund maemo
23:20.51Win7Mac;)
23:20.53DocScrutinizer05not yet (bigger idea)
23:21.20keriosteal all the ubuntu edge money
23:21.23Win7Mackickstarter and a little press-campaign
23:21.47Win7Macright now is the perfect time since ubuntu Edge failed
23:21.59kerio"we're cheaper and more open"
23:22.16DocScrutinizer05for now I'll happily accept donations to my "maemo" paypal, which has a field "message" to put in a unambiguous order like "use for Neo900"
23:22.39Win7Macnixie pixel will freak out
23:23.02DocScrutinizer05anything that comes in without such unambiguous subject will get used for maemo.org support
23:23.15DocScrutinizer05aka "on begalf of HiFo"
23:23.26DocScrutinizer05behalf even
23:24.16Win7Macmaemo.org support is what i see as primary target for HiFo-donations
23:24.24Win7Macright?
23:24.38Win7Mac"the infra"
23:24.41DocScrutinizer05we're thinking already about kickstarter or sth for prototypes, not buying any actual hardware but a "livestream from the developer's desk"
23:25.22DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: right
23:25.39Win7Macright way to go, IMHO
23:25.59Win7Macwith Neo900... that name is just gorgious
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23:26.34DocScrutinizer05well, first mail from Nikolaus with that idea is ~12h old now
23:27.31DocScrutinizer05until we get sth like that done: fundraiser (roof on fire) -> put "Neo900" into message
23:27.58DocScrutinizer05away fro a beer now. For real
23:28.06DocScrutinizer05no really I mean it
23:28.17DocScrutinizer05I'm almost gone
23:28.35Win7Macjust... do it!
23:28.40DocScrutinizer05yeah sure
23:29.05DocScrutinizer05I'm doing it
23:29.14DocScrutinizer05RSN
23:29.18Win7Macright now!
23:29.44DocScrutinizer05nur noch schnell die welt retten
23:29.45RiDlies
23:29.49RiDwat
23:29.52DocScrutinizer051254587545 mails checken
23:30.26Win7Macthere'S a german song with those lines...
23:31.10Win7MacDocScrutinizer05 feels like he's got the world on his shoulders...
23:31.30Win7Mac*the weight of the world
23:32.30Win7Macpondres what would we do without him?
23:32.59RiDnothin
23:33.11RiD...that enter key still pressing too early
23:33.43Win7Macjust sit there, klickin the refresh-button but nothing happens...
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23:40.15Win7Macand for the Neo900 kickstarter/indiegogo (doesn't really matter) campaign you OFC get full support from HiFo (I say). We definetely should make some concentrated campaign/noise on all channels!
23:40.31GeneralAntillesIs there a campaign?
23:40.43Win7Macnot yet
23:40.46freemangordonhi guys :)
23:40.51Win7MacHi!
23:41.01GeneralAntillesAh
23:42.35kerioby the way, did someone ever manage to get a real AP with airbase-ng?
23:42.51Win7MacGA, we need to untangle what we, in future as an e.V., want to keep from actual bylaws
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23:43.05Win7Macas HiFo
23:43.18freemangordonkerio: did anyone ever try?
23:43.50kerioi don't know
23:44.02kerioi don't know enough about wifi to correctly use that crap
23:45.07Win7MacGA, and we should have a meeting soon
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23:57.06Win7Mac~seen GeneralAntilles
23:57.10infobotgeneralantilles is currently on #maemo #harmattan. Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 16m 9s, last said: 'Ah'.
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