| 00:02.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: (omg someone updated python 2.7) fmg fixed a silly botchpatch in import-packages.php that blocked packages that use epoch (something that always been deprecated anyway) |
| 00:02.33 | kerio | s/deprecated/strongly needed in case of version bugs/ |
| 00:03.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have no version bugs |
| 00:03.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you manage to explain to me what use this friggin epoch has for maemo, you win a plastic button |
| 00:04.41 | kerio | moron uploads package with a really high version to extras-devel, and the same moron only notices it after it's gone into testing |
| 00:05.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 00:05.13 | kerio | besides, it's no use figuring out "what use is this for maemo" |
| 00:05.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | epoch never been able to cure that |
| 00:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | on maemo.org |
| 00:05.32 | kerio | dpkg versioning has that |
| 00:05.38 | kerio | we use dpkg |
| 00:05.40 | kerio | end of story |
| 00:05.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, no dpkg on www, on builder1, on repo, on garage |
| 00:07.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and when that moron is such a king of morons, then too bad, his package is moot and he needs to go from morons-acme to morons-acme-2 |
| 00:07.45 | kerio | or maybe you could fix a bug regarding the handling of valid version strings in midgard |
| 00:07.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 00:08.00 | kerio | or write specs on what's valid |
| 00:08.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | epoch is NOT valid |
| 00:08.14 | kerio | until then, the specs are what's written in the debian policy manual |
| 00:08.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, either send patches or shutup |
| 00:08.56 | kerio | epoch is perfectly valid, your disregard of the standard because it's convenient notwithstanding |
| 00:09.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't give a flying F |
| 00:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | it never worked on maemo and I don't feel I owe you to fix it |
| 00:10.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and until you explain to me what moron pali was to need epoch in powerkernel, I'm not inclined to discuss the whole nonsensical topic any further |
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| 00:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly what I needed after 8h of discussions/arguing with freemangordon about the whole thing. Somebody to blame me for disregarding some standard when I announce that finally we made some broken shite working |
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| 00:31.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I published the relevant php script several times in here, feel free to send patches, preferably tested ones that don't break what we already got on maemo in repo and database |
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| 00:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | or alternatively tell me if I should shut down outobuilder and repo management copletely until somebody fixed that terrible standard violation |
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| 00:38.18 | HtheB | robbiethe1st: yo |
| 00:41.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the answer to >>maybe you could fix a bug regarding the handling of valid version strings in midgard<< is no, we invested ~20 man-hours into evaluation our options regarding that and concluded it's not worth it |
| 00:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | so if anybody got special interest in using epoch in versionb strings, send patches that got tested and verified to work. Since techstaff doesn't feel we got enough spare time filled with boredom we could use to implement your special demand |
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| 00:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | if anybody now feels motivated to actually do sth about it, be informed that midgard db never stored epoch in version string, so whatever solution you come up with, it has to handle all existing packages, both those with no epoch and those with arbitrary epoch in versionstring |
| 00:50.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | while for the rest of you, the ules is: epoch is not supported on maemo.org |
| 00:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ules/rule/ |
| 00:52.15 | mashina | that's really cool |
| 00:52.20 | mashina | never seen a bot do that |
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| 01:12.38 | HtheB | robbiethe1st, how are you? |
| 01:12.42 | robbiethe1st | Hi |
| 01:12.49 | HtheB | hi |
| 01:13.49 | robbiethe1st | So, more packages? |
| 01:13.50 | HtheB | ? |
| 01:13.53 | robbiethe1st | It makes sense |
| 01:13.53 | HtheB | oh |
| 01:14.00 | HtheB | you've read my pm |
| 01:14.02 | robbiethe1st | Nah, just read the PM |
| 01:14.14 | robbiethe1st | Just now. |
| 01:14.24 | HtheB | u know the TE? |
| 01:14.30 | robbiethe1st | Nope |
| 01:14.43 | robbiethe1st | *googleing* |
| 01:14.55 | HtheB | afaik, it comes with a 'universal adapter' |
| 01:15.07 | HtheB | if it's heavy, you can keep it |
| 01:15.33 | HtheB | (i think that the adapter is US only) |
| 01:16.06 | robbiethe1st | I'll take a look when I ger it |
| 01:16.42 | HtheB | robbiethe1st: www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK1QjIVNmFY |
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| 01:23.57 | robbiethe1st | well, it looks OK... |
| 01:24.43 | robbiethe1st | I don't know, I suppose I like stuff a /little/ newer.. Scumm engine games are cool, but I can't see myself ever running them on a 'native' system anymore |
| 01:25.06 | robbiethe1st | I was really impressed by Legend of Kyrandia on the N900... performed admirably, and looks great |
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| 01:27.20 | HtheB | :D |
| 01:29.15 | HtheB | well |
| 01:29.30 | HtheB | playing on real hardware gives the most pleasure |
| 01:30.24 | robbiethe1st | I suppose... though, I mean, originally you'd have to use a mouse and such... touch screen is so nice for those games |
| 01:30.41 | HtheB | well, yeah |
| 01:30.59 | HtheB | true that |
| 01:31.27 | HtheB | but, the games that i just Have doesn't need a mouse :P |
| 01:31.56 | HtheB | (im pretty sure you lolled when you tried out duke nukem on that game.com hahahah) |
| 01:32.06 | robbiethe1st | Yeah... |
| 01:32.11 | HtheB | :D |
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| 01:32.14 | robbiethe1st | it was a little frustrating controls wise |
| 01:32.29 | HtheB | haven't tried out myself ever |
| 01:32.38 | HtheB | im pretty sure it sux a lot |
| 01:32.48 | HtheB | oh by the way |
| 01:32.51 | HtheB | got some time? |
| 01:33.07 | robbiethe1st | Maby |
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| 06:10.54 | DrCode | hi all |
| 06:11.08 | DrCode | is there way to solve the 4Gb limit in chroot? also can I zoom chroot screen ? its very small? |
| 06:12.01 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: Last time I checked(it was a couple of hours ago) it was me the autobuilder maintainer. Until that holds true, please refrain form declaring what is and what is not supported in autobuilder, esp when it is obvious you still don't understand what the problem with debian epoch and package interface is |
| 06:13.07 | freemangordon | To make it clear - what is not supported is epoch change |
| 06:14.45 | freemangordon | and this (epoch change) is not supported in the package interface only - autobuilder, repository, garage and stage have no problems with it |
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| 06:27.11 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: And how it is possible for you to call Pali names is beyond me :S . Hoving bad mood/bad day/whatever is no excuse. |
| 06:27.22 | freemangordon | having even |
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| 07:06.59 | jaska | hmm, looks like the phone only syncs time on boot.. guess i need to put ntp on mine, it was ~5 minutes ahead :) |
| 07:07.14 | jaska | so i can sleep longer |
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| 07:54.22 | SAIF | something looks similar |
| 07:54.24 | SAIF | http://www.element14.com/community/community/knode/single-board_computers/next-gen_beaglebone?CMP=KNC-APAC-Knode-BeagleBoneB-300-250 |
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| 09:17.31 | kerio | moin |
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| 09:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | dear freemangordon, I was quoting kerio who said "moron uploads package with a really high version to extras-devel,..." and I asked kerio to explain to me how that applies to pali. No name calling |
| 09:52.08 | kerio | he timed out |
| 09:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | beter that, since he pesters me since 36h with declaring me that I don't have a clue about that silly epoch, while it's his sophism that complicates stuff |
| 10:04.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and btw it's not package interface but repo management that fails epically with epoch, since it didn't use it to find newest version at all and thus didn't promote the new KP for example. and now that we (resp he) removed that botchpatch by xfade introduced to handle KP epoch (which I still fail to see why it's needed) it uses epoch but simply for a silly strng compare so backage acme_3 is greater than acme_2:1 |
| 10:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | err sorry, the other way round |
| 10:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:21:28] <freemangordon> what happens now is - it finds 1:1 and stores version 1 (with epoch stripped) in the collection. when it encounters the next package version (1:2 for example) it compares 1 with 1:2, latter being the bigger. But if it encounters 1:2 before 1:1, guess what happens |
| 10:08.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:21:51] <freemangordon> it compares 2 with 1:1 |
| 10:08.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:22:13] <freemangordon> and decides that version 1:2 is less than 1:1 |
| 10:08.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:22:27] <freemangordon> this is an obvious bug introduced by X-Fade's hack |
| 10:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:23:29] <freemangordon> nevertheless the version stored in the db is with the epoch stripped |
| 10:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:25:15] <freemangordon> so, we should either compare 1 with 2 or 1:1 with 1:2 |
| 10:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:25:41] <DocScrutinizer05> pretty obviously |
| 10:09.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | (now it goes bizarre) |
| 10:09.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:26:05] <freemangordon> if we revert X-Fade's hack we'll compare 1 with 2 |
| 10:09.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:26:27] <freemangordon> if I implement a workaround/fix, we'll compare 1:1 with 1:2 |
| 10:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:27:13] <freemangordon> but I am not sure what implications my workaround could have on the other parts of the system |
| 10:11.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the general rule "don't use epoch" holds valid |
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| 10:19.51 | mashina | i need to get a new battery, N900 is dying in it's sleep more often |
| 10:20.00 | mashina | i have all these spares though... |
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| 11:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | mashina: you probably should check your system integrity and config - device a) might simply eat too much power during "sleep", and b) for sure should yell several times before dit dies |
| 11:35.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/dit/it/. |
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| 12:32.44 | koopake | hmm, would someome here able to tell me where to get g++4.2 for n900? :) |
| 12:33.28 | freemangordon | koopake: you want to build stuff on the device? |
| 12:33.40 | koopake | yeah :) |
| 12:34.04 | koopake | or.. trying to compile the silc plugin for irssi |
| 12:34.19 | freemangordon | why not use scratchbox? |
| 12:35.15 | koopake | hmm, im a beginner in this stuff, so im not familiar with that :I |
| 12:35.28 | koopake | imma look that up now though :) |
| 12:35.50 | freemangordon | koopake: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 12:36.10 | koopake | nice, thanks! |
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| 12:42.37 | koopake | one more dummy question: aint there no screen for xterminal on n900? :P |
| 12:43.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think screen package should be available |
| 12:45.28 | koopake | I would think so too as its available for N9, but cant find it on the extra repos :/ |
| 12:46.50 | freemangordon | http://maemo.org/packages/view/screen/ |
| 12:46.50 | freemangordon | http://maemo.org/packages/view/screen-n900/ |
| 12:46.55 | freemangordon | NFC what is what |
| 12:51.13 | koopake | awesome! |
| 12:51.18 | koopake | hugs freemangordon |
| 12:51.19 | BCMM | koopake: there is also tmux |
| 12:55.08 | koopake | nice, thanks BCMM! shellinabox was on mi list of apps to be installed too |
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| 13:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-20 11:51:30] <DocScrutinizer05> dear freemangordon, I was quoting kerio who said "moron uploads package with a really high version to extras-devel,..." and I asked kerio to explain to me how that applies to pali. No name calling |
| 13:07.23 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: saw that |
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| 15:51.45 | benedikt | i have a n900 that is bootlooping. its been in the drawer a few weeks so the battery isn't at it's best. what do? |
| 15:55.21 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flashing |
| 15:55.22 | infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:55.50 | benedikt | sixwheeledbeast: to clarify, the battery is probably pretty low. |
| 15:57.22 | sixwheeledbeast | you may need to charge it externally via desktop charger or other device |
| 15:57.35 | benedikt | desktop charger? |
| 15:58.34 | benedikt | do you mean wall outlet charger? |
| 15:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | auxiliary charger |
| 15:59.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. anything not including N900 |
| 16:00.06 | benedikt | so it is impossible to charge a bootlooping n900? |
| 16:00.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically yes |
| 16:00.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a still not confirmed idea that you could use rescueOS to charge |
| 16:01.17 | benedikt | so buying a new battery and hope that it is charge is my best bet? |
| 16:01.22 | benedikt | charged* |
| 16:01.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of your better bets at least |
| 16:01.36 | benedikt | what happens if i try flashing it and the battery dies during the flashing? |
| 16:01.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | buying external charger is another one, trying rescueOS a third one |
| 16:01.53 | sixwheeledbeast | batteries come 40-60% charged |
| 16:02.13 | benedikt | external charger == a charger that charges the battery without the phone? |
| 16:02.14 | sixwheeledbeast | desktop charger = external charger |
| 16:02.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | benedikt: it's highly unlikely that battery dies during flashing, since NOLO will refuse to start flashing when battery is too low |
| 16:03.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | however wehn it ever would happen (e.g. removing battery during flashing), you most likely just need to redo the flasshing process |
| 16:03.37 | benedikt | DocScrutinizer05: so trying flashing it should be harmless? |
| 16:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | worst case you might need a coldflash, but that never happened on any of the 1 mio N900 so far ;-) |
| 16:04.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, trying to flash is always harmless |
| 16:04.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically N900 is unbrickable |
| 16:04.42 | benedikt | oh good |
| 16:04.46 | benedikt | that is reassuring |
| 16:05.10 | benedikt | is maemo still being developed? |
| 16:05.28 | benedikt | and this is maybe offtopic, but what about flashing it with meego? |
| 16:06.06 | benedikt | i measured be batter to 3.37V with a multimeter |
| 16:06.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | but when you don't see a NOKIA screen with USB logo on N900, when holding down "U" key on unpowered N900 and then plugging device to Nokia wallcharger, then your battery is too weak and no chance whatsoever to start flashing it |
| 16:06.12 | benedikt | it is rated 3.7 |
| 16:06.34 | benedikt | DocScrutinizer05: i can get the nokia screen with usb logo |
| 16:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3.3V is way too low |
| 16:06.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | does it stay? |
| 16:07.08 | benedikt | did so yesterday |
| 16:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it does, then you're ready to go for flashing |
| 16:07.33 | benedikt | but if it is basically unbrickable and its safe to try flashing, i'll give it a go before ordering a new battery (and waiting 3 weeks) |
| 16:07.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 16:08.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead, and don't wase battery remaining chage on useless experiments |
| 16:08.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | omg |
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| 16:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead, and don't waste battery remaining charge on useless experiments |
| 16:09.36 | benedikt | what is OS2008? |
| 16:09.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | take care about the caveats as mentioned on ~flashing wikipage |
| 16:10.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | OS2008 is N800/N810 maemo4 |
| 16:10.23 | benedikt | and whats up with all these license agreements and having me enter product ids? i thought maemo was supposed to be free software? |
| 16:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, not everything is |
| 16:10.42 | benedikt | true |
| 16:10.45 | benedikt | a lot binary blobs |
| 16:10.48 | benedikt | forgot about them |
| 16:10.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
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| 16:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | there might be licensed blobs like mp3codecs, DSP and GPU driver libs, flash10, whatnot else |
| 16:11.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | bt and wlan chip firmware |
| 16:11.47 | benedikt | yep |
| 16:11.57 | benedikt | how up to date are the packages in the maemo repos? |
| 16:12.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | as up to date as it gets, no changes since 2 years I'd say |
| 16:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the base nokia repos |
| 16:12.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | on extras-* though, we get new stuff or updates every other day |
| 16:12.52 | benedikt | so the kernel is old and the coreutils are old? |
| 16:12.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 16:13.20 | benedikt | is it possible to install arm debian on a n900 |
| 16:13.28 | kerio | i think so |
| 16:13.30 | kerio | but it's going to suck |
| 16:13.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | which isn't too bad since it means no api breakage for all the apps basing on it |
| 16:13.45 | benedikt | doubt it has a dialer. just an intersting idea |
| 16:13.53 | kerio | i was thinking more about the powersaving |
| 16:14.03 | benedikt | DocScrutinizer05: it makes sense from a "lest not break things"-perspective |
| 16:14.12 | kerio | mer is supposed to be a modern distribution |
| 16:14.20 | kerio | and on the n900, it chews through the battery like a madman |
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| 16:15.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | mer is strictly upstream/mainline, while maemo has a lot of carefully tailored-to-fit yet FOSS drivers |
| 16:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | not all of them made it upstream |
| 16:18.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | benedikt: take particular care to blacklist phonet kernel module on your PC linux, for flashing |
| 16:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically all recent linux distros ship this useless phonet.ko |
| 16:19.12 | benedikt | DocScrutinizer05: it isn't loaded |
| 16:19.13 | kerio | "particular care" |
| 16:19.23 | benedikt | $ lsmod | grep -c phonet |
| 16:19.23 | benedikt | 0 |
| 16:19.24 | kerio | it's just not going to work if it's loaded, no permanent harm done |
| 16:19.30 | kerio | benedikt: automatic loading |
| 16:19.40 | benedikt | ah |
| 16:19.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | benedikt: that's the point ;-P it gets loaded as soon as you plug in the N900 |
| 16:19.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you blacklist it |
| 16:20.12 | benedikt | blacklited |
| 16:20.21 | benedikt | wiki said it is called cdc_phonet |
| 16:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sth like that |
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| 16:22.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders to create a udev rule to start flasher-3.5 instead of cdc_phonet on N900 hotplug event |
| 16:23.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, cdc_phonet is loaded via depmod-stuff I guess |
| 16:23.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | not via udev |
| 16:23.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | wild guessing |
| 16:38.35 | benedikt | battery was dead, but it turns out that my local phone shop has the battery for cheap |
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| 18:38.48 | benedikt | is there any preferred way to syncronize calendar and contacts on maemo? caldav and carddav support seems flaky |
| 18:41.47 | raccoon_ | benedikt: install syncevolution |
| 18:42.06 | raccoon_ | it has support for most providers and protocols |
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| 19:51.03 | brolin_empey | Is there any way to get a notification/confirmation when a screenshot is successfully saved as requested in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5770 ? This screenshot notification should have been added before the Nokia N900 was publicly released. :/ |
| 19:51.05 | povbot_ | 04Bug 5770: Keyboard shortcut for screenshot should provide notification/confirmation |
| 19:52.18 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm, some vibra feedback would be handy |
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| 19:54.48 | brolin_empey | Can someone using Maemo 5 CSSU check if any confirmation is provided when a screenshot is successfully saved? I do not use CSSU so I cannot check by myself. |
| 19:55.01 | kerio | there's nothing, iirc |
| 19:55.53 | sixwheeledbeast | nothing here on Stable |
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| 19:56.46 | brolin_empey | kerio: Are you using Maemo 5 CSSU? |
| 19:56.48 | kerio | yes |
| 19:59.12 | brolin_empey | kerio: sixwheeledbeast: ☹ :/ |
| 20:00.03 | sixwheeledbeast | eh? |
| 20:01.08 | kerio | patches welcome |
| 20:01.12 | kerio | and actually not really |
| 20:01.15 | kerio | i would find it very annoying |
| 20:01.33 | sixwheeledbeast | optional somehow? |
| 20:01.48 | brolin_empey | Does Harmattan provide any confirmation when a screenshot is successfully saved? |
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| 20:24.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | cpu-load-applet does afaik |
| 20:24.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | which sucks, since sometimes you see that notification on your screenshot ;-P |
| 20:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense when screenshot-tool snapshots its own notifier |
| 20:25.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | X-D |
| 20:30.10 | sixwheeledbeast | I imagine a audible or vibra notice would be better if it was to be implemented |
| 20:30.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 20:31.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see what for I need a confirmation at all |
| 20:31.11 | sixwheeledbeast | however it's easy to push banner messages with dbus calls |
| 20:32.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm trying hard to never do the "wut, no reaction? press that key again" |
| 20:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | so when I press the kbd-shortcut for a screenshot, I simply assume it got done this very moment |
| 20:33.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | no need for notifier |
| 20:34.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | discovered a whole new world of fun and wasting time: rtlsdr and gnuradio |
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| 20:57.32 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: I have to press Shift+Ctrl+P instead of Ctrl+Shift+P . A screenshot is saved when I press Shift+Ctrl+P but not when I press Ctrl+Shift+P . |
| 20:58.21 | sixwheeledbeast | eh. you press them all together. |
| 20:59.59 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Sometimes I miss what I wanted in a screenshot because I press Ctrl+Shift+P instead of Shift+Ctrl+P , hence my desire for a confirmation when a screenshot is successfully saved. |
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| 21:02.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | it never even occurred to me that you could press the keys one after the other |
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| 21:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway shift is "sticky" sometimes (you can press and release it as prefix qualifier) while afaik ctrl never is |
| 21:03.15 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: rtlsdr is pretty cool, i mentioned that to a few people in here, but possibly not you |
| 21:04.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: press all three concurrently and you'll never again will have missing screenshots |
| 21:05.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | LjL-Alps: yep, I already wonder if and how to get it onto N900 |
| 21:06.25 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: hmm that didn't even occur to me, but it sure would be nice. there are some (not very good) things for Android to use it, but remotely |
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| 21:07.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems to me like the ideal addon for a pentest tool |
| 21:08.23 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: for pentesting what? i believe it covers neither wifi nor bluetooth |
| 21:08.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, general security audit tool |
| 21:08.57 | mashina | sorry for the dumb question, for I'm just curious: has anyone tried to build a more recent kernel? if not, what's stopping us? |
| 21:09.22 | LjL-Alps | id does cover GSM but ssssh don't tell anyone ;( |
| 21:09.23 | LjL-Alps | it* |
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| 21:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | pentesting buildings, RFID acess cards, 868MHz - garage door openers, - security cams, whatnot else |
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| 21:10.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | mashina: the closed blobs built against 2.6.28 |
| 21:10.27 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, i guess. i'm content with listening to what the public transport drivers say :P well i'm not, i wish it covered shortwave so i could listen to hams, especially now my scanner broke |
| 21:10.29 | mashina | hack the planet! |
| 21:10.44 | mashina | ls blobs |
| 21:11.05 | mashina | like gsm? |
| 21:11.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | for example, but even more like XPROT (alsa/PA), GPU drivers, DSP drivers, etc pp |
| 21:11.55 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05, i don't know if the N900 has enough power to deal with the rtlsdr, though...? unless you use it at much less than 3Msps i guess. iirc i can barely decode anything on my EeePC |
| 21:12.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | LjL-Alps: yes, it can't handle the datarate needed for decoding arbitrary signals, but you can set up sample rate for anything down to 900ksps |
| 21:13.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | they told me |
| 21:13.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | which should work |
| 21:13.23 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: 1Msps is certainly possible at least |
| 21:13.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's 16Mbps |
| 21:14.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't be a problem for N900 |
| 21:14.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least on USB level, dunno how complex decoding may get |
| 21:14.46 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05, plus the overhead for decoding say at least FM |
| 21:16.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | FM and AM decoding is probably rather simple |
| 21:16.19 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05, i haven't used my rtlsdr in a while, but last time i used it the reference "SDR-style" software (aside from GNURadio for people who knew what they were doing, of course) was SDR# on Windows (which, however, is a licensing mess), and http://gqrx.dk/ on Linux |
| 21:17.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr |
| 21:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | gnuradio is fun, particularly the gnu radio companion. I just built me a simple synthesizer (nothing radio at all) ;-D |
| 21:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | mucht like arts/ladspa or what it been called, just more evolved |
| 21:19.55 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: that's the main wiki about it yeah, but i figured that'd be the first spot you'd end up on :P also, http://rtlsdr.reddit.com/ at least used to have interesting news |
| 21:19.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | much* |
| 21:20.34 | nox- | there also is www.sdr-j.tk/sdrj-manual.pdf and the dab receiver by the same author - www.sdr-j.tk |
| 21:20.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, waterfall and rtl_fm works now, with a cheesy logilink stick |
| 21:21.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | waiting for proper sticks I ordered |
| 21:21.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Dexatek DK DVB-T Dongle (Logilink VG0002A) |
| 21:21.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...is what I'm using |
| 21:23.49 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: uh that's a new tuner, i didn't know about it |
| 21:24.05 | LjL-Alps | looks for its frequency range |
| 21:24.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway such a stick half the size of my thumb, attached to N900, converting it to a 50MHz..2000MHz universal receiver. Sounds appealing to me |
| 21:24.21 | LjL-Alps | ah, meh |
| 21:24.33 | LjL-Alps | it does sound like you'd benefit from getting a proper one :P |
| 21:24.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | already ordered |
| 21:24.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope so |
| 21:24.59 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: E4000 chip? |
| 21:25.11 | nox- | i think fc0013 for that one |
| 21:25.26 | nox- | (the logilink) |
| 21:25.35 | LjL-Alps | nox-: which one? |
| 21:25.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, and yep |
| 21:25.57 | LjL-Alps | uh |
| 21:26.01 | LjL-Alps | wiki says FC2580 |
| 21:26.02 | nox- | there also are now r820t |
| 21:26.36 | LjL-Alps | nox-: yeah that's interesting since it reaches a it into shortwave |
| 21:26.38 | nox- | LjL-Alps, maybe theres a new version of that logilink one then |
| 21:26.44 | nox- | yeah... |
| 21:26.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | this cheesy one has fc0013, the ordered ones (terratec Tstick) are E4000 |
| 21:28.37 | LjL-Alps | i have an E4000 one, specifically the "original" one that was investigated, it works ok. apparently, another possible advantage with the r820t is that it has no DC spike in the middle for some reason i forget |
| 21:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | DC spike? |
| 21:31.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~/rtl> python2 downloads/waterfall.py 142e6 146e6 |
| 21:31.13 | nox- | http://www.fasttech.com/products/1254300 |
| 21:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Found Fitipower FC0013 tuner |
| 21:31.19 | nox- | that looks a bit like mine |
| 21:31.25 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: err i don't remember the right terms as i'm pretty ignorant about radio :( but, with the E4000 (and afaik, many other SDR setups), if you tune directly on x mhz, then you see noise at and around x mhz, so you have to tune up or tune down from the frequency you actually want |
| 21:32.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, maybe that's why this friggin stuff always tells me the frequency is off a few KHz from what I told it |
| 21:32.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~/rtl> rtl_fm -f 868.3e6 |
| 21:33.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Tuned to 868564000 Hz. |
| 21:33.35 | nox- | whats at that freq? |
| 21:33.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | remote sensors etc |
| 21:34.00 | nox- | ah |
| 21:34.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | my home automation |
| 21:34.12 | nox- | <nox-> http://www.fasttech.com/products/1254300 -> r820t |
| 21:34.17 | LjL-Alps | i have the ezcap eztv668 |
| 21:34.22 | nox- | (was linked from reddit) |
| 21:34.38 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: yes that should be the reason |
| 21:34.49 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: there's probably an option to tell it to use a different offset if you don't like the default one |
| 21:35.33 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: also, the current gqrx screenshot on the site shows no DC spike, so maybe latest gqrx version "corrects" it in software, insomuch as that's possible - at least it'd be nice if scanning didn't stop on the DC spike just because the signal appears to be stronger |
| 21:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I get an annoying line pattern on waterfall |
| 21:37.51 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: this shows the DC spike http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:sdr2.png although in my experience it's hardly just a thin line on the waterfall, it takes up much more space |
| 21:41.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't have such a nice GUI yet |
| 21:41.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | what app is that? windoze? |
| 21:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah SDR# |
| 21:43.52 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: yes that's SDR#, but gqrx doesn't look much worse (although SDR# certanly has more features) |
| 21:48.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/20/plasma-desktopmd3743.png is what I got here so far |
| 21:50.54 | mashina | ubrelated but i like what kde is doing with plasma |
| 21:51.02 | mashina | plasma tv, plasma netbook, etc. |
| 21:54.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohyeah, plasma, the thing that either freezes or segfaults on my KDE4 |
| 21:54.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and takes half of desktop with it |
| 21:55.29 | LjL-Alps | hehe |
| 21:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | apropos desktop. Seems that's not modern anymore, sometimes I can't even find it at all |
| 21:56.09 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05, you're too stuck in 2012. join 2013. |
| 21:56.19 | mashina | i found kde to be stable for me, but i don't use it much |
| 21:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that I have a look at any desktop too often, way too many fulsize windows opened |
| 21:56.26 | mashina | but whenver I used it, I always liked it |
| 21:56.32 | mashina | have you looked into tiling WMs? |
| 21:56.36 | LjL-Alps | i used to like KDE |
| 21:56.37 | LjL-Alps | 3 ;( |
| 21:56.46 | mashina | tiling wms might be the change you need |
| 21:56.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | KDE3 was great |
| 21:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | KDE4 is :-x |
| 21:57.07 | LjL-Alps | yeah |
| 21:58.29 | mashina | i like both |
| 21:59.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/20/plasma-desktopmd3743.png see the moon applet? in KDE3 you could adjust your latitude from -90° to +90°, in KDE4 you can select south and north hemisphere. It's just an example of how whole KDE4 is a crippled POS |
| 22:00.40 | LjL-Alps | well i probably wouldn't choose that particular example, but |
| 22:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | was the first one I could think of |
| 22:01.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | no matter what you pick, i can't find a single topic where KDE4 is an improvement over 3 |
| 22:01.53 | LjL-Alps | DocScrutinizer05: you could probably concentrate better on finding better ones if you weren't distracted by plasma/kwin crashing every 30 seconds and making your desktop flash |
| 22:02.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then that "EEEK no *colors* please, we're modern!" theme |
| 22:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | noticed same shite on fremantle, tbh |
| 22:04.15 | LjL-Alps | fads |
| 22:04.40 | LjL-Alps | if the current fad is "colors everywhere", you can be next one will be "strictly black and white", and vice versa |
| 22:05.01 | LjL-Alps | except in the process of changing from one to the other, actual features are dropped because people are all focused on the whole saturation business |
| 22:05.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* you're so right |
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