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| 08:18.02 | sanova | hi |
| 08:21.30 | sanova | i'm trying to download ovi maps from this link: http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/HERE-Location-based-services/newest-Nokia-Ovi-Maps-0-1-25-114-manual-download/td-p/778870 but it seems i have no grant to access it. Is there any other link to download ovi maps now? |
| 08:21.56 | sanova | i have to flash my n900 and i lost all maps |
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| 09:43.32 | Pali | If I remember correctly there *is* some backup of ovi maps for n900 |
| 09:43.42 | Pali | sanova: try to ask on talk.maemo.org |
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| 09:55.51 | Lava_Croft | sanova: |
| 09:55.53 | Lava_Croft | http://static.maploader.maps.svc.ovi.com/map5/maploaderzip-00.01.29.100/212.zip works fine |
| 09:56.06 | Lava_Croft | you need to use the right version :) |
| 09:56.16 | Lava_Croft | look near the end of the thread you just linked yourself |
| 09:56.33 | Lava_Croft | it has a working link to Turkey maps, all you need to do is get the proper number for your country |
| 09:56.42 | Lava_Croft | what i just linked is netherlands, iirc |
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| 13:38.43 | sanova | Lava_Croft: thanks for your reply.. i solved. I have to directly download maps because of i'm on linux, but i have installed ovi suite on windows VM :) and all is ok |
| 13:38.54 | Lava_Croft | hah, that works too |
| 13:39.22 | sanova | next time i will try with that link |
| 13:39.27 | Lava_Croft | also amazing how i look at IRC just when you reply |
| 13:39.29 | Lava_Croft | what are the odd |
| 13:39.30 | Lava_Croft | s |
| 13:39.49 | sanova | ? |
| 13:39.58 | Lava_Croft | just when i randomly look at IRC, i see you reply to me |
| 13:40.00 | Lava_Croft | hours later |
| 13:40.04 | Lava_Croft | funny coincidence:) |
| 13:40.20 | Lava_Croft | the direct links to maps always include the version number |
| 13:40.26 | Lava_Croft | so any new version will have a different link |
| 13:40.29 | Lava_Croft | as will older versions |
| 13:40.54 | sanova | yes |
| 13:41.08 | Mike11 | hello everybody :) can anybody tell me what packages should i download in order for wireless-tools package to work on n900, I am new to n900 |
| 13:42.05 | Lava_Croft | random TMO thread says install aircrack-ng |
| 13:42.23 | Lava_Croft | better is probably apt-get install wireless-tools tcpdump kismet |
| 13:42.30 | Lava_Croft | Mike11: look here, maybe: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72759 |
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| 13:43.50 | Mike11 | Lava_Croft: thanks for ur help, u mean apt-get will work better than the application manager? |
| 13:43.56 | Lava_Croft | no |
| 13:44.03 | Lava_Croft | but for installing it can be faster |
| 13:44.12 | Lava_Croft | safest route is to always use HAM |
| 13:44.17 | Lava_Croft | the app manager |
| 13:44.59 | Mike11 | Lava_Croft: but the wireless-tools package do not exist in the application manager |
| 13:45.17 | Mike11 | Lava_Croft: will it download on apt-get??? |
| 13:45.26 | Lava_Croft | try it |
| 13:45.33 | Lava_Croft | i just do google work for you |
| 13:45.37 | Lava_Croft | i never had this problem |
| 13:46.52 | Mike11 | Lava_Croft: thanks for your help, actually i am trying to get reaver and aircrackng to work on my n900, is it right to install wireless-tools first??? |
| 13:47.04 | Lava_Croft | i have no clue |
| 13:47.17 | Lava_Croft | just install aircrack-ng itself, it should pull the dependencies? |
| 13:47.25 | Mike11 | Lava_Croft: or do i need the power kernel first? |
| 13:47.32 | Lava_Croft | Mike11: i dont know, try to google about it |
| 13:47.38 | Lava_Croft | i bet there's a thread about it on talk.maemo.org |
| 13:47.57 | Mike11 | Lava_Croft: thanks for ur help :) |
| 13:48.01 | Lava_Croft | no problem |
| 13:48.13 | psychologe | yes,you need install power kernel |
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| 13:49.35 | Mike11 | psychologe: well do i install that first or wireless-tools first? |
| 13:50.01 | Mike11 | psychologe: and will wireless-tools install the bleeding edge driver for me??? |
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| 13:51.03 | psychologe | no,,power kernel support packet inject ,not need install wireless-tool |
| 13:53.46 | Mike11 | psychologe: but aircrack ng depends on wireless tools?? |
| 13:54.01 | LjL-Alps | has someone used Mupen64 on the N900? the web suggests it can run games at full speed, but here it didn't seem too convincing, with the music in Mario 64 being all choppy, and another game slowing down to a crawl during the intro. i'm using the extras-devel package, are there older versions that are better? |
| 13:55.03 | Mike11 | psychologe: and my problem is that it does not exist in my application manager, i added extras testing and extras devel, any idea what repo it might be on?! |
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| 13:57.18 | Lava_Croft | LjL-Alps: it wont even run properly |
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| 13:58.21 | psychologe | sudo apt-get install kernel-power |
| 14:00.43 | LjL-Alps | Lava_Croft: it does randomly crash a bit |
| 14:01.00 | Lava_Croft | LjL-Alps: you dont play n64 games using an emulator on a 600mhz arm cpu |
| 14:01.05 | Lava_Croft | well, you do, but not satisfactory |
| 14:01.46 | LjL-Alps | well, 850MHz, but aside from that |
| 14:04.48 | Lava_Croft | games that work really well are older dosbox games, in my experience |
| 14:04.56 | Lava_Croft | stuff like wasteland and ultima4 |
| 14:05.09 | Lava_Croft | and some low-action SNES games |
| 14:05.19 | Lava_Croft | stuff like mario world etc is just too demanding for n900 keyboard and my hands |
| 14:06.42 | kerio | play nethack |
| 14:07.04 | kerio | the n900 is possibly the only worthy nethack handheld |
| 14:07.06 | Lava_Croft | nethack is boring |
| 14:07.07 | kerio | apart for the 79x25 terminal |
| 14:07.15 | Apic | NetHack rules |
| 14:07.17 | Lava_Croft | adom is where its at |
| 14:07.18 | kerio | Lava_Croft: YOUR FACE is boring |
| 14:07.22 | Apic | *nod* |
| 14:07.23 | kerio | adom is a piece of crap |
| 14:07.28 | Apic | Yeah. |
| 14:07.28 | Lava_Croft | nethack is overrated like halflife |
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| 14:07.40 | Lava_Croft | make nerds like a game and they will praise it straight to God |
| 14:07.40 | kerio | and we can't play it on the n900 because it's a proprietary game |
| 14:07.55 | kerio | half life is good, half life 2 is a masterpiece |
| 14:08.01 | Lava_Croft | masterpiece? |
| 14:08.03 | Lava_Croft | see |
| 14:08.07 | Lava_Croft | i wasnt too far off |
| 14:08.15 | kerio | as a sidenote, acehack.de also hosts nethack 3.4.3-nao now |
| 14:08.20 | Lava_Croft | halflife2 is halflife1 with HAVOK |
| 14:08.21 | kerio | in addition to acehack 3.6.0 |
| 14:08.25 | Lava_Croft | and half the game turned into a HAVOK demo |
| 14:08.48 | Lava_Croft | hl series must be the most overrated games of all time, together with final fantasy series |
| 14:09.10 | Lava_Croft | anyhow, i guess some other neato dos games work fine too |
| 14:09.19 | kerio | scummvm also works fine on the n900 |
| 14:09.52 | kerio | Lava_Croft: ADoM is the kind of game where the author thought "mmh, a spellbook of wish will be a good idea" |
| 14:09.59 | LjL-Alps | i don't even play games, i just like to show off emulators ;( like i do here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdlj2ca9nCg |
| 14:10.05 | Lava_Croft | nethack is a game where everybody has ideas |
| 14:10.12 | Lava_Croft | and then 15 years later 2 of them are implemented |
| 14:10.37 | Lava_Croft | adom has a personality that nethack lacks |
| 14:10.47 | Lava_Croft | its sad that its closed source, but also awesome |
| 14:10.51 | Lava_Croft | nethack has no secrets |
| 14:10.52 | Apic | Bah |
| 14:10.53 | Apic | Crap |
| 14:10.59 | Lava_Croft | you just poke at the source |
| 14:11.02 | Apic | NetHack is _still_ fun fully spoiled |
| 14:11.06 | Lava_Croft | adom has actual secrets |
| 14:11.15 | kerio | Apic: i wouldn't extend myself that much |
| 14:11.25 | Apic | kerio: No, but I do |
| 14:11.33 | kerio | nethack is fun even fully spoiled until you figure out how to solve it |
| 14:11.49 | Apic | There's #nethack |
| 14:11.55 | Lava_Croft | MUD also works great on n900 |
| 14:11.55 | Apic | And r.g.r.n |
| 14:11.58 | Lava_Croft | had good times in icesus |
| 14:12.23 | Lava_Croft | oh and the single game i beat on n900 |
| 14:12.24 | Apic | I still have fun playing it |
| 14:12.29 | Lava_Croft | Oregon Trail via preenv |
| 14:12.30 | Lava_Croft | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.45 | kerio | oh, there's also that apkenv thing to play android games |
| 14:12.46 | LjL-Alps | globulation was fun until i managed to hurt my wrist thanks to it |
| 14:12.51 | Apic | I enjoyed Chrono Trigger on DrNoksNES very much |
| 14:12.56 | Apic | s/ks/kS/ |
| 14:12.58 | Lava_Croft | play CT on the n900 is a disgrace |
| 14:14.28 | Lava_Croft | those games lose a lot of their magic on emulators |
| 14:16.00 | kerio | especially crappy emulators |
| 14:16.09 | kerio | with awkward controls |
| 14:16.47 | Lava_Croft | needs the controller too |
| 14:16.52 | psychologe | Mike11, pcsci3nce.info/?p=466 |
| 14:17.08 | LjL-Alps | "Only use this compatibility layer for applications that you have the rights to use. If you are unsure, DO NOT use this compatibility layer, and use Nitdroid instead" |
| 14:17.08 | Lava_Croft | games like CT just feel broken without the SNES controller |
| 14:17.23 | kerio | or at least a similar controller |
| 14:17.27 | LjL-Alps | ... because NITDroid magically gives people the right to use copyrighted software? |
| 14:17.34 | Lava_Croft | i rather just power up the snes |
| 14:17.38 | Lava_Croft | gives me a reason to undust it |
| 14:17.41 | kerio | with a dpad, four buttons in a diamond, and two shoulder buttons |
| 14:17.55 | Lava_Croft | yeah, it has changed a lot since the early 90s |
| 14:17.58 | Lava_Croft | game controllers |
| 14:18.28 | Lava_Croft | they did totally own the n64 by doubling the sticks! |
| 14:18.49 | Lava_Croft | and in the process make me unable to play just about any game on new consoles, since controlling an entire joystick with your thumb is just silly |
| 14:19.31 | kerio | mmmmh |
| 14:19.49 | kerio | no thumb available? |
| 14:20.05 | kerio | install a better kernel :P |
| 14:21.24 | Lava_Croft | oh yea |
| 14:21.28 | Lava_Croft | got the gamecube back too |
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| 14:21.45 | Lava_Croft | (i looked in the closet) |
| 14:21.55 | Lava_Croft | n64 still gone, meh |
| 14:22.24 | kerio | i have a n64! :D |
| 14:22.35 | kerio | still haven't played it this summer |
| 14:22.43 | Lava_Croft | i have mine lend out to a friend |
| 14:24.22 | Lava_Croft | 4 player n64 playing is just king |
| 14:24.33 | kerio | only has two controllers :( |
| 14:24.35 | Lava_Croft | a few times a year, all those fancy new console owners come to my house to get schooled |
| 14:24.44 | LauRoman | i tried to test the wlan driver applet simlock and rotation daemon and apparently my device won't boot using the button, it boots just fine if i connect a pc usb cable to it and it also reboots just fine, but i think i broke something, can i fix it without reflashing? |
| 14:24.45 | Lava_Croft | we have 7, of which basically have dead sticks |
| 14:24.49 | Lava_Croft | 1cm space orso |
| 14:24.54 | kerio | i do have two wiimote/nunchucks and two gamecube controllers though |
| 14:24.55 | LauRoman | i'm sure one of those broke it |
| 14:24.56 | Lava_Croft | you need to hang on the stick to turn right in mario kart |
| 14:25.07 | kerio | haha |
| 14:25.07 | Lava_Croft | we dont own a wii |
| 14:25.12 | kerio | buy a wii, it's good |
| 14:25.17 | kerio | you get tons of games for free |
| 14:25.18 | Lava_Croft | only reason i would get it is for gamecube games |
| 14:25.25 | Lava_Croft | and using gamecube controller |
| 14:25.27 | kerio | including gamecube games! |
| 14:25.32 | kerio | ...actually i'm not entirely sure |
| 14:25.35 | Lava_Croft | i already own gamecube games:) |
| 14:25.40 | kerio | but not all games |
| 14:25.42 | Lava_Croft | wii can do GC controllers and discs |
| 14:25.45 | Lava_Croft | i dont need all :D |
| 14:25.47 | kerio | wii can do usb loading |
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| 14:25.53 | Lava_Croft | dont think we need a WiiU either |
| 14:25.55 | kerio | but only in wii mode i think |
| 14:26.08 | Lava_Croft | last console i bought, that gamecube |
| 14:26.16 | kerio | mmh, apparently you *can* play gamecube games from a usb drive |
| 14:26.33 | Lava_Croft | i gave up on consoles :) |
| 14:26.36 | Lava_Croft | why bother, i have a PC |
| 14:26.40 | Lava_Croft | several PC's |
| 14:26.44 | kerio | no more heroes |
| 14:26.48 | kerio | super mario galaxy |
| 14:27.02 | Lava_Croft | two games is a reason to buy the entire console? |
| 14:27.06 | Lava_Croft | that way i have to buy each console |
| 14:27.07 | kerio | ...actually, kinda |
| 14:27.18 | Lava_Croft | since each system has at least 2 games that are really good |
| 14:27.34 | kerio | i'm fairly convinced that it's worth buying a 3ds just for super mario 3d land, for instance |
| 14:27.36 | kerio | but i'm a fanboy |
| 14:27.47 | Lava_Croft | i played super mario since '86 orso |
| 14:27.49 | kerio | (fire emblem is apparently also amazing) |
| 14:27.54 | Lava_Croft | just like getting tired of 20 years of DOOM |
| 14:28.03 | Lava_Croft | you also get tired of so much mario and so little change |
| 14:28.17 | Lava_Croft | fire emblem is another game that probably is rather well done |
| 14:28.23 | Lava_Croft | but its about as good as a hollywood blockbuster can get |
| 14:28.37 | Lava_Croft | since thats the type of game you have to make |
| 14:28.47 | kerio | but super mario 3d land is good! c: |
| 14:28.52 | Lava_Croft | i bet it is! |
| 14:28.56 | kerio | there's also starfox 64 3d |
| 14:29.05 | Lava_Croft | yeah i bet its a LOT different than the original!!!! |
| 14:29.13 | kerio | which is exactly like starfox 64/lylatwars except with more depth of view and less lag |
| 14:29.19 | Lava_Croft | first thing you do on 3ds: turn off 3d |
| 14:29.22 | Lava_Croft | remove the slider entirely |
| 14:29.27 | Lava_Croft | be happy |
| 14:29.28 | kerio | i enabled the parental controls |
| 14:29.36 | kerio | just to disable the 3d |
| 14:29.42 | Lava_Croft | i had gameboy advance and gameboy advance SP |
| 14:29.51 | Lava_Croft | nintendo was done sodomizing me after that |
| 14:29.53 | Lava_Croft | because i ran |
| 14:30.11 | Lava_Croft | they just arent relevany any more, not in any way |
| 14:30.20 | kerio | ...eeh |
| 14:30.21 | Lava_Croft | nothing special has some out of nintendo the past 10 years orso |
| 14:30.26 | Lava_Croft | come* |
| 14:30.29 | Lava_Croft | just rehasing old games |
| 14:30.34 | kerio | mmh |
| 14:30.36 | kerio | pikmin? |
| 14:30.39 | Lava_Croft | yeah |
| 14:30.40 | kerio | it can't be that old |
| 14:30.42 | Lava_Croft | how old is pikmin? |
| 14:30.42 | kerio | can it? D: |
| 14:30.49 | kerio | jesus christ, 2001 |
| 14:30.49 | Lava_Croft | 2001 |
| 14:30.50 | Lava_Croft | haha |
| 14:30.54 | Lava_Croft | i own pikmin |
| 14:31.01 | Lava_Croft | and what is the big Wii U game atm? |
| 14:31.02 | Lava_Croft | pikmin 3 |
| 14:31.05 | Lava_Croft | hooray |
| 14:31.07 | kerio | :D |
| 14:31.12 | Lava_Croft | its so sad |
| 14:31.14 | kerio | metroid: other m! |
| 14:31.16 | Lava_Croft | you had Metroid Prime on the cube |
| 14:31.16 | kerio | flees |
| 14:31.27 | Lava_Croft | that showed that nintendo, in combination with another studio, can do amazing shit |
| 14:31.32 | Lava_Croft | too bad its just so little of it |
| 14:31.57 | Lava_Croft | and its always been like that! |
| 14:32.00 | kerio | s/in combination with another studio/by letting another studio do everything instead of shitting on the legacy of an amazing character/ |
| 14:32.07 | Lava_Croft | early 90's, id sofware had a nice 2d engine they used for Keen |
| 14:32.14 | Lava_Croft | they recreated super mario bros 3 in it and showed to nintendo |
| 14:32.17 | Lava_Croft | nintendo wasnt interested |
| 14:32.35 | Lava_Croft | this is basically nintendo as always:) |
| 14:32.52 | Lava_Croft | i think Sony is actually the one with the brightest future, on the console front |
| 14:32.54 | kerio | seriously, other m's zero suit had high heels |
| 14:32.59 | Lava_Croft | yeah i know |
| 14:33.07 | Lava_Croft | wanna know a secret |
| 14:33.12 | Lava_Croft | i stole money to buy metroid2 on the gameboy |
| 14:33.14 | kerio | mmh, the ps4 feels like the exact same thing as the ps3 |
| 14:33.18 | kerio | but with ads on the menu |
| 14:33.20 | Lava_Croft | as a kid |
| 14:33.27 | Lava_Croft | it was so awesome, i felt like a goddamn ninja |
| 14:33.31 | kerio | and really, you might as well play on a pc |
| 14:33.32 | Lava_Croft | until i got home, of course |
| 14:33.41 | Lava_Croft | pc is different tho |
| 14:33.43 | Lava_Croft | and more expensive |
| 14:33.47 | kerio | not with a controller |
| 14:33.48 | Lava_Croft | and a PC has overhead |
| 14:33.50 | Lava_Croft | it had windows |
| 14:33.53 | Lava_Croft | it has silly PC crap |
| 14:33.58 | kerio | and... mmh, not really actually |
| 14:34.01 | Lava_Croft | yes really |
| 14:34.07 | kerio | ask the dudes on /r/buildapc |
| 14:34.13 | Lava_Croft | those are exceptions |
| 14:34.51 | Lava_Croft | Valve might do it |
| 14:34.57 | Lava_Croft | if they ever get done with it |
| 14:35.04 | kerio | the steambox will probably run some flavour of linux |
| 14:35.12 | Lava_Croft | dont care what it runs, its a console |
| 14:35.16 | kerio | but... eeh |
| 14:35.17 | Lava_Croft | its meant to run games |
| 14:35.23 | kerio | FPSes on a tv? |
| 14:35.26 | kerio | with a controller? |
| 14:35.36 | Lava_Croft | most copies of FPS games are sold to controller people |
| 14:35.38 | Lava_Croft | playing it on TV's |
| 14:35.45 | kerio | yeah but they're awful players |
| 14:35.45 | Lava_Croft | the Call of Duties and what not |
| 14:35.51 | Lava_Croft | compared to PC, sure |
| 14:36.11 | Lava_Croft | quake3 on dreamcast had cross platform MP |
| 14:36.16 | Lava_Croft | it was fun playing vs the dreamcasters |
| 14:36.26 | Lava_Croft | could use just the mouse, no keyboard, and still win |
| 14:36.54 | Lava_Croft | i dont mind given the console players autoaim etc:) |
| 14:37.49 | Lava_Croft | one thing is for sure |
| 14:37.56 | Lava_Croft | the good times for pc users like me are soon over |
| 14:38.05 | Lava_Croft | the past years, my dualcore celery was good enough for most games |
| 14:38.10 | Lava_Croft | the coming years, it wont :< |
| 14:38.16 | Lava_Croft | damn new console generation |
| 14:40.15 | Lava_Croft | hmm |
| 14:40.21 | Lava_Croft | should try worms in dosbox |
| 14:40.28 | Lava_Croft | probably runs like crap on n900 |
| 14:40.56 | Lava_Croft | so kerio, you were a nintendoid |
| 14:41.03 | kerio | i *am* a nintendoid |
| 14:41.14 | Lava_Croft | so while you were busy playing super mario world |
| 14:41.19 | kerio | *64 |
| 14:41.19 | Lava_Croft | thinking it was the epitome of gaming |
| 14:41.21 | Lava_Croft | a pinnacle |
| 14:41.25 | Lava_Croft | you that young? |
| 14:41.27 | kerio | yup |
| 14:41.30 | Lava_Croft | o:< |
| 14:41.36 | Lava_Croft | then my comparison fails |
| 14:41.45 | kerio | go ahead with it anyway |
| 14:41.46 | Lava_Croft | since i was about to boast about how great the PC was compared to snes games |
| 14:41.50 | kerio | lol |
| 14:42.05 | Lava_Croft | i must admit, most PC people were also busy with shit wolf3d and doom |
| 14:42.18 | kerio | what was available? |
| 14:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | Play what's fun. |
| 14:42.38 | Lava_Croft | the biggest name is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_Underworld:_The_Stygian_Abyss |
| 14:42.46 | Lava_Croft | even to this day that game has had serious influence |
| 14:42.58 | Lava_Croft | but you had wolf3d |
| 14:43.02 | Lava_Croft | that ran faster and had nazis |
| 14:43.25 | Lava_Croft | PC always was great for 'simulation' |
| 14:43.47 | Lava_Croft | its just a sore spot, even now! |
| 14:44.01 | Lava_Croft | everybody was praising stuff like wolf3d for being revolutionary |
| 14:44.49 | Lava_Croft | before this, you had the ultima series |
| 14:44.55 | Lava_Croft | and the mother of Fallout, named Wasteland |
| 14:45.23 | Lava_Croft | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasteland_(video_game) |
| 14:45.28 | Lava_Croft | still has some of the best box art ever |
| 14:45.40 | Lava_Croft | it didnt age at all |
| 14:45.55 | Lava_Croft | that game is as old as my wife |
| 14:45.58 | Lava_Croft | making me feel weird |
| 14:46.27 | Lava_Croft | GeneralAntilles: of course! :D |
| 14:46.36 | Lava_Croft | but there's nothing wrong with edumacation |
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| 14:47.03 | Lava_Croft | the stuff that games like ultima underworld did in 1992 become rather amazing if you look at how little games do more these days |
| 14:47.35 | Lava_Croft | its kind of akin to the N900 |
| 14:47.44 | kerio | Lava_Croft: dwarf fortress does a lot of stuff |
| 14:47.47 | Lava_Croft | true |
| 14:47.55 | kerio | a well-modded minecraft too |
| 14:48.02 | kerio | (feed the beast or tekkit) |
| 14:48.02 | Lava_Croft | well, mods are different |
| 14:48.11 | Lava_Croft | ftb and tekkit are both buggy, broken and run like crap |
| 14:48.49 | Lava_Croft | our tekkit server was so bad |
| 14:48.52 | kerio | thinks back at his old ftb 1.4.7 server, where everything was set in easy mode |
| 14:48.56 | Lava_Croft | it would always make the other mc worlds nearly die |
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| 14:49.19 | kerio | i had Applied Energistics build ultimate solar panels out of UU-matter |
| 14:49.37 | kerio | i stopped at 8 chunks |
| 14:49.42 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 14:49.51 | Lava_Croft | we just run vanilla MC, much more fun |
| 14:50.00 | kerio | i should start the MC server again |
| 14:50.09 | Lava_Croft | you can hop on ours and do your thing |
| 14:50.15 | kerio | mmh |
| 14:50.45 | Lava_Croft | but thats of course in the cloud |
| 14:50.54 | kerio | don't be silly |
| 14:50.58 | Lava_Croft | although you can download backups:) |
| 14:51.00 | kerio | ec2? |
| 14:51.04 | Lava_Croft | world backups, so you can load it locally |
| 14:51.05 | kerio | it's always ec2 |
| 14:51.29 | Lava_Croft | havent played a lot of MC lately |
| 14:51.33 | Lava_Croft | im still waiting for a proper survival mode |
| 14:51.41 | Lava_Croft | it was promised to us quite some years ago :) |
| 14:51.58 | kerio | bought it during alpha |
| 14:52.08 | Lava_Croft | i think i was gifted it when it was 5euros orso |
| 14:52.18 | bennypr0fane | does anyone have their N900 in R&D mode? |
| 14:52.38 | Lava_Croft | Oreos does, iirc, but he doesnt seem to be here |
| 14:52.44 | Lava_Croft | psycho_oreos |
| 14:53.02 | bennypr0fane | is it normal for the keyboard to be lit while it's charging, powered off? |
| 14:53.18 | Lava_Croft | yeah, i think so |
| 14:53.29 | Lava_Croft | it lights the keyboards to show its doing stuff |
| 14:53.45 | bennypr0fane | yeah, "system activity" |
| 14:53.45 | Lava_Croft | like, certain parts of the device that are in use will correspond with certain keyboard keys being lit up, if im correct |
| 14:53.47 | LauRoman | if the n900 seems to coldboot only when plugged in, but reboots just fine, is there a way to fix it, save of reflashing? i wanted to test a few apps and i think one of them broke it a little :) |
| 14:54.02 | bennypr0fane | I just didn't know charging the battery ws system activity |
| 14:54.24 | Lava_Croft | bennypr0fane: technically it is and it might also do other stuff in the background? |
| 14:55.17 | bennypr0fane | I just reflashed fiasco image, and I thought it was dead for a while, but it finally booted when I plugged in the charger |
| 14:55.55 | Lava_Croft | i quit trying to understand what exactly the n900 does when in regard to charging and booting |
| 14:55.59 | bennypr0fane | by "booted" I mean the boot that it does when powered off, but the charger is plugged in |
| 14:56.08 | bennypr0fane | haha, exactly |
| 14:56.37 | bennypr0fane | I find it weird that charging is governed by the kernel |
| 14:56.53 | Lava_Croft | its pretty shitty, yes |
| 14:57.30 | bennypr0fane | I picture that as an electrical activity not needing digital control |
| 14:57.50 | LauRoman | well it does something to boot (pardon the pun) when it charges, because i just broke my bootloader i think, and it coldboots only when plugged in, but orherwise reboots normally while of the charger :/ |
| 14:58.16 | bennypr0fane | LauRoman, what is "coldboot"? |
| 14:58.21 | Lava_Croft | LauRoman: poke kerio, i know he is here and he probably knows something to try |
| 14:58.29 | kerio | is not here |
| 14:58.41 | LauRoman | bennypr0fane, coldboot is normal boot from power button |
| 14:58.57 | LauRoman | not reboot button, not reboot started by an app |
| 14:59.01 | bennypr0fane | Lava_Croft, kerio's prolly fed up with my queostining :-) |
| 14:59.02 | kerio | i don't get it, what's happening and what do you want to happen? |
| 14:59.04 | LauRoman | not boot started by charger |
| 14:59.22 | bennypr0fane | LauRoman, there's a reboot button? |
| 14:59.48 | LauRoman | bennypr0fane, there's a soft (screen) reboot button that is hidden |
| 14:59.57 | bennypr0fane | oh |
| 15:00.04 | kerio | that button never works |
| 15:00.10 | kerio | `dsmetool -b` does |
| 15:00.13 | kerio | iirc |
| 15:00.15 | LauRoman | :) |
| 15:00.21 | kerio | and anyway, try |
| 15:00.24 | kerio | ~n900-full-reset |
| 15:00.24 | infobot | it has been said that n900-full-reset is when the user presses the PWRON (power-on) button for 8 seconds and removes the battery in the next 8 seconds, the TPS65950 enters NO SUPPLY state instead of BACKUP state, even if a valid backup battery is present. In such a situation, the backup domain registers are also reset, along with the VRRTC domain registers. |
| 15:00.27 | Lava_Croft | reboot soft button works fine here |
| 15:00.29 | Lava_Croft | i just tested |
| 15:00.32 | kerio | or just remove the battery for a while |
| 15:00.43 | Lava_Croft | now i have to reboot it |
| 15:02.15 | LauRoman | kerio, i think one of two apps messed with the boot process somehow and i can reboot the device if it is powered on already, and i can boot the device if it is plugged in, i just can't boot it while it is not plugged in, so i guess it is not a battery problem |
| 15:02.21 | LauRoman | because i do have a spare |
| 15:03.14 | LauRoman | it was either the applet to turn ssh on and off or the one to change wlan drivers, both of which i wanted to test |
| 15:03.26 | kerio | does the led turn on when you tap the button as the n900 is turned off? |
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| 15:03.34 | LauRoman | yes |
| 15:03.34 | kerio | also, can you boot with the button after removing the battery? |
| 15:03.50 | LauRoman | let's try that last one |
| 15:04.07 | bennypr0fane | hardfalcon1, I read that some other place what infobot said: "The N900 whose name is written in this note shall die. |
| 15:04.07 | bennypr0fane | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.07 | bennypr0fane | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.07 | bennypr0fane | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.08 | bennypr0fane | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.31 | bennypr0fane | not hardfalcon1. damn tab key |
| 15:04.38 | hardfalcon1 | lol |
| 15:04.54 | LauRoman | kerio, seems to boot fine after battery is removed |
| 15:05.07 | kerio | mmh |
| 15:05.20 | kerio | signs point to usb confusion of some sorts |
| 15:05.25 | hardfalcon1 | my n900 won't die of a heart attack for it doesn't have a heart. it's mercyless. |
| 15:05.38 | bennypr0fane | yeah, mine too |
| 15:06.03 | bennypr0fane | is why when I want to kill it, I specify the cause of death :-D |
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| 15:10.29 | bennypr0fane | so I just reflashed it, and then tried to restore my last backup from sdcard. the backup stopped halfway through though, saying it ran out of memory |
| 15:11.17 | bennypr0fane | I don't understand that because everything fit in fine before, it's not like the memory shrunk in the meantime |
| 15:11.27 | bennypr0fane | BUT I did have CSSU thumb |
| 15:12.13 | bennypr0fane | does that mean all the apps I had installed were thumb compiled as well? |
| 15:14.09 | LauRoman | kerio, then it probably was the wlan drivers i wanted to test |
| 15:15.19 | LauRoman | bennypr0fane, not really, unless they were from cssu-th repo |
| 15:17.53 | bennypr0fane | how would you go about restoring everything? I guess I'll need to start by installing CSSU thumb? here's the thread with a description: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90996 |
| 15:18.18 | kerio | what kind of backup do you have? |
| 15:25.24 | bennypr0fane | kerio created by Maemo backup app, on sdcard |
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| 15:29.25 | LauRoman | that backup app is only good for contacts app list (if you enable the same repos you had before the backup) and settings |
| 15:29.44 | LauRoman | but the settings part may be good or bad |
| 15:34.54 | japa-fi | bennypr0fane, for brighter future: have a look at backupmenu (maemo application) |
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| 18:30.08 | Mick_Fann | Hello.. I've been experiencing problems with N900 where two emails and one missed call is "stuck" in the events, even after reboot. There's no call logs, contacts gone, etc... After some research, I've found that the event database in /home/user/.rtcom-event(log?)/ev-??.db could be corrupted. Indeed it was, and after trying to rebuild / correct it with sqlite-3, I found out that /home dir was |
| 18:30.09 | Mick_Fann | mounted as read-only. |
| 18:31.53 | SAiF | well I could have reset the phone to original settings or could have flashed. Well you know lot better than me. |
| 18:32.08 | Mick_Fann | So that would be the cause of all mess (and probably the db corruption). I wasn't able to remount the fs as read-write, not even forcing. Tryed to run fsck.ext3 on the ro-mounted fs quit, relating the fs was too messed up. The only solution I've found online was to reflash the device.. |
| 18:33.45 | Mick_Fann | So, before doing a full reflash, i've added a line "/sbin/fsck.ext3 -f -y /dev/mmcblk0p2" in /etc/default/rcS-late (something like that).. |
| 18:35.16 | Mick_Fann | Device wont start up anymore (maybe something went wrong with the fs check, some warning or whatever).. Is there anything I can do before a reflash to access this filesystem and try to fix it? |
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| 18:37.37 | raccoon_ | Mick_Fann: are you sure the db isnt just read-only - because of the mount it resides on - rather than "corrupted"? |
| 18:37.50 | raccoon_ | surely the db must be writable for email and call logs to be put there |
| 18:38.01 | Mick_Fann | I'm also wondering, how could this parition get so messed up like this? |
| 18:38.30 | Mick_Fann | raccoon_ I'm sure, checked /proc/mounts.. Sure it was before the whole mess happend.. |
| 18:38.55 | raccoon_ | alright |
| 18:39.06 | Mick_Fann | I belive the filesystem got so messed up that maybe mount refued to mount it as rw? |
| 18:40.15 | Mick_Fann | there's also plenty of free space on this partit (19% use), so that wouldnt be the reason to the db corruption either |
| 18:40.25 | raccoon_ | sometimes linux kernel remounts a file-system as readonly if it encounters a file system error |
| 18:40.37 | raccoon_ | to let the system be able to run as smooth as possible anyway |
| 18:40.47 | raccoon_ | and possible not damage anything else more than necessary |
| 18:40.50 | raccoon_ | possibly* |
| 18:41.00 | Mick_Fann | yep.. I belive that too.. |
| 18:41.18 | raccoon_ | im new to the maemo platform but i guess that could explain your scenario |
| 18:41.25 | raccoon_ | since it runs a modified linux kernel |
| 18:42.18 | Mick_Fann | Im wondering how could I have access to this FS before maemo tries to mount it |
| 18:42.54 | Mick_Fann | specially now, that the device can't be initialized |
| 18:43.28 | Mick_Fann | Was hoping the trick to reflash (holding the 'u' key) could give access to this partition in some way |
| 18:43.56 | Mick_Fann | that I could try to fix it with a computer running linux... |
| 18:44.09 | raccoon_ | Mick_Fann: if you have that bootloader installed you could get the n900 to act as a usb disk from there |
| 18:44.30 | raccoon_ | don't remember what it's called but maybe someone else here does |
| 18:44.32 | Mick_Fann | how? |
| 18:44.41 | Mick_Fann | hopefully =) |
| 18:46.36 | SAiF | uboot? |
| 18:46.53 | SAiF | backupmenu? |
| 18:47.22 | SAiF | ~seen robbiethe1st |
| 18:47.25 | infobot | robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-52-50-143.cral.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 15h 52m 11s ago, saying: '!seen robbiethe1st'. |
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| 18:49.49 | Mick_Fann | to help, I'm in a remote area.. my "provisory 3G internet" has 150MB traffic limit /day and the flash image is 200MB |
| 18:49.50 | Mick_Fann | (kill me) |
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| 19:01.36 | hardfalcon1 | Mick_Fann: can you give me a link to the exakt download file you need? |
| 19:02.08 | hardfalcon1 | I can try to xz or bzip2 it for you, if you're lucky, that will help make it small enough |
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| 19:02.41 | hardfalcon1 | and you can download it from a server that supports resuming downloads |
| 19:02.50 | hardfalcon1 | so you can spread the download over 2 days |
| 19:04.18 | Mick_Fann | hardfalcon1 Thanx hardfalcon1, I kinda did it.. |
| 19:04.42 | hardfalcon1 | accessing the partition should be feasible as well (I suppose you're talking either of the huge fat32 partition in the NAND or the ubifs partiotion with rootfs |
| 19:04.42 | Mick_Fann | Downloaded it remotely from a ssh account.. compressed and splitted it in several parts.. |
| 19:04.51 | hardfalcon1 | also a possibility :) |
| 19:05.05 | Mick_Fann | Im downloading it one by one, as connection sometimes drops too |
| 19:05.24 | hardfalcon1 | btw, you sure that 150mb/day is a strict limit? or does your ISP only cap your bandwith to GPRS after 150mb/day? |
| 19:06.16 | Mick_Fann | they drop to a ridiculously low bw.. (32kbps).. yes, kBIT / s |
| 19:06.34 | Mick_Fann | =) |
| 19:06.47 | Mick_Fann | thanks for the suggestions |
| 19:06.51 | hardfalcon1 | yes, but it still let's through *some* data :) |
| 19:07.08 | hardfalcon1 | I prefer having a slow connection to having none at all :) |
| 19:07.11 | Mick_Fann | Im still willing to find a way to access these partitions in the N900 though, to try a fix |
| 19:07.37 | Mick_Fann | indeed.. at least mirc works at 32kbps =) |
| 19:07.54 | hardfalcon1 | hmmmm, you can load a special kernel image into the N900 using the USB cable and any of the 2 flashing tools |
| 19:08.10 | hardfalcon1 | IIRC you can even load that just into ram without flashing it at all |
| 19:08.28 | hardfalcon1 | and there is a special emergency kernel image for situations like these |
| 19:08.39 | ashley | any app developers (especially people with Android/Java experience) around? this request of mine may (or may not!) be of interest: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1367909 |
| 19:09.06 | hardfalcon1 | but you'll have to mount everything by hand I guess (which isn't 100% straightforward for the ubifs partition(s) if I remember correctly) |
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| 19:10.34 | hardfalcon1 | ashley: there is a calendar app that ships with maemo already? |
| 19:10.34 | Mick_Fann | hardfalcon1 hmm.. how does that work? Over a serial terminal? |
| 19:11.14 | ashley | I'm obviously aware of the default calendar app :) but I'm not sure if it's the best tool for this task |
| 19:11.56 | hardfalcon1 | Mick_Fann: you connect the N900 via the USB cable to your computer (on linux you will probably have to blacklist some bluetooth kernel module before you start), and then you can load a special kernel image into the n900's RAM and make it boot from that image |
| 19:13.01 | hardfalcon1 | ashley: the default app offers a whole bunch of different views, including showing only the tasks for a single day |
| 19:15.15 | ashley | what about recurring events? since that's essentially what a timetable is...and having things like class room/building/teacher visible would certainly be helpful |
| 19:15.26 | hardfalcon1 | an app that *I* would really love to see would be a version of the "Fahrplan" app that supports working offline with a local railway schedule database |
| 19:16.17 | hardfalcon1 | you can put recurring events into the alarm clock app that ships with maemo |
| 19:16.35 | hardfalcon1 | at least things that repeart every week or so |
| 19:17.08 | hardfalcon1 | and there's an extra package in the repos offering birthday support for the schedule app IIRC |
| 19:17.37 | hardfalcon1 | (IIRC because I'm not 100% sure right now if you even need to install an extra package at all for that feature) |
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| 19:19.19 | hardfalcon1 | but I'll try to help Mick_Fann first, I guess he needs help more urgently with his issue ^^ |
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| 19:23.31 | hardfalcon1 | Mick_Fann: still there? |
| 19:24.59 | hardfalcon1 | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
| 19:25.48 | hardfalcon1 | depending on what distro you are using on your laptop/computer, you might need to use different commands to unpack the RPM packages containing the rescue kernel and the rescue initrd |
| 19:27.13 | hardfalcon1 | AFAIK you should also be able to use Palì's 0xFFFF tool instead of the proprietary Nokia flasher (but I'm not sure whether the parameters needed will be the same) |
| 19:28.07 | hardfalcon1 | on my machines I have had situations where the flashing tool would exit just after plugging the n900 in |
| 19:28.37 | hardfalcon1 | so I had to immediately start it again by quickly pushing "arrow up" and "return" on the host computer |
| 19:29.53 | hardfalcon1 | but it's well possible that such problems only occur if you forget to unload that conflicting bluetooth kernel module (and in that case neither flasher not 0xFFFF will be able to function correctly anyhow) |
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| 19:36.12 | Mick_Fann | hardfalcon1 exactly what I needed! |
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| 19:36.35 | Mick_Fann | Gonna try it. thanks! |
| 19:36.48 | hardfalcon1 | you're welcome, I've had these problems myself already several times, and every damn time, I had forgotten how I had solved the problem the last time :D |
| 19:37.22 | hardfalcon1 | but I'm not sure if there exists some sort of fsck util for ubifs |
| 19:38.20 | hardfalcon1 | so if your ubifs partition is behaving in strange ways on the filesystem level you might just wanna scrape off whatever you can rescue and then reflash the device |
| 19:39.21 | hardfalcon1 | but I guess you're just having a problem of the sort "accidently flashed a new kernel image without installing the kernel modules for that kernel image" |
| 19:39.34 | sixwheeledbeast | ashley: I see no reason why the calendar/qalendar app in timetable view cannot do this. |
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| 19:44.46 | hardfalcon1 | ashley: I've just checked, the default calendar app supports recurring tasks as well, you can select if they should repeat every day, every week, every month or every year |
| 19:45.02 | hardfalcon1 | so that should do it for a timetable |
| 19:45.41 | hardfalcon1 | just create multiple calendars so you can keep things seperated and don't mix anything up |
| 19:45.47 | ashley | guess I'll have to try to play around with that, then |
| 19:46.32 | hardfalcon1 | one calendar for the school schedule and one calendar with the holiday dates |
| 19:47.32 | hardfalcon1 | If you don't find a specific feature, just ask, I'll try to help |
| 19:48.31 | raccoon_ | ashley: one thing that i kinda missed out during my first days on n900... was that you can tap the title bar of an application |
| 19:48.36 | raccoon_ | where there often is an application menu |
| 19:48.43 | raccoon_ | not in all cases, but many |
| 19:48.54 | raccoon_ | that's where you change the calender view, for instance.. |
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| 19:50.31 | hardfalcon1 | Mick_Fann: here are two more pages that might help you if you still need them: |
| 19:50.31 | hardfalcon1 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Nin101/N900_Rescue_OS |
| 19:50.31 | hardfalcon1 | http://nokia-n900.com/how-to-using-rescue-initrd-on-the-n900/ |
| 19:52.12 | hardfalcon1 | the first one with help on how to get wifi with WPA running and how to charge the battery, the second one with a section for windows users |
| 19:53.10 | hardfalcon1 | although I guess the windows section wouldn't help *that* much because it involves installing cygwin, thus causing a lot of download traffic |
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| 20:15.19 | NIN101 | hardfalcon1: ResecueOS != meego rescue initrd. |
| 20:16.07 | hardfalcon1 | yes, but that shouldn't matter as long as Mick somehow manages to access his files again |
| 20:16.27 | hardfalcon1 | if one of them doesn't work, he can try the other one |
| 20:17.00 | hardfalcon1 | btw, anyone of you folks coming to FrOSCon next weekend? |
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| 20:34.55 | hardfalcon1 | is there a way to make sed accept \d as a shortcut for [0-9] ? |
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| 21:52.58 | wnd | hardfalcon1, no, not really. gnu sed allows you to use [[:digit:]], but you're hardly after that. |
| 21:53.57 | hardfalcon1 | yes, solved the problem in the mean time =) |
| 21:54.26 | hardfalcon1 | specifying -r lets you use at least () and {} without backslashes |
| 21:54.51 | hardfalcon1 | but thx anyhow ^^ |
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| 22:12.27 | bennypr0fane | this can't be right: I just re-flashed rootfs, and I don't have "enough space to install more applications" how can it be? memory information in maemo settings says, 23MB left, which does seem awfully little, but enough to install a few more apps... |
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| 22:22.17 | raccoon_ | bennypr0fane: the package manager use some space for caching the package lists etc when doing operations. i don't think that would sum up to 23MB but it might lower your free space some, until you quit the application |
| 22:42.45 | Mike11 | hello everybody :) |
| 22:42.46 | Mike11 | do anybody here still have a wireless-tools .deb package installable by n900, I can't find in on any repository, I am running maemo 5, and installed kernel for power users, I just cannot find this package! |
| 22:42.46 | Mike11 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/wireless-tools/30~pre7-1.3maemo+0m5/ |
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