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| 03:01.52 | Wuzzy_ | greetings. this http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB isn't too clear about current state of investigation. is host mode possible with just pluging in a device? |
| 03:03.27 | Wuzzy_ | if yes, ideas about how to power the n900 externaly while usb in host mode? |
| 03:10.54 | robbiethe1st | Uh |
| 03:11.00 | robbiethe1st | Use H E N |
| 03:11.11 | robbiethe1st | At least, that's the last time I knew of it |
| 03:12.10 | robbiethe1st | as far as powering it during that time, it should be possible... HEN kills BME, but you should be able to use a basic charging script(I know there's one by "ShadowJK" which I used a few years back); it turns on the charger "manually" |
| 03:12.32 | robbiethe1st | Backupmenu uses it to charge, so you can always yank a copy from that if needed |
| 03:15.52 | Wuzzy_ | robbiethe1st: thanks, but that's no good. I am speculating in useing nativ debian for example. I wanted to know if its possible without HEN. the wiki entry talked about a kernel patch, is that only working in combination with HEN? |
| 03:16.26 | robbiethe1st | I don't know |
| 03:16.37 | robbiethe1st | I'm guessing it's part of Power Kernel |
| 03:16.46 | Wuzzy_ | robbiethe1st: ok |
| 03:17.02 | robbiethe1st | It'd have to be. You'd have to ask someone who's worked on H E N to figure out what it calls etc |
| 03:18.03 | Wuzzy_ | robbiethe1st: I'll stay in chan for some time, maybe someone will know. |
| 03:18.40 | robbiethe1st | DocS would be one to talk to |
| 03:19.40 | Wuzzy_ | robbiethe1st: ok, I'll ask him when online. |
| 03:20.22 | robbiethe1st | ok |
| 03:29.12 | Macer | freenas is awesome |
| 03:29.40 | Macer | why is microb being such a memory hog? |
| 03:29.56 | robbiethe1st | Kill it and restart? |
| 03:30.20 | Macer | did that but it seems whenever i use it it really bogs down the n900 |
| 03:30.31 | robbiethe1st | Also, I will point out my trick for microb and battery usage - SIGSTOP/SIGCONT |
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| 03:31.30 | Macer | heh. i dont usually keep it open |
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| 04:23.45 | DrCode | hi all |
| 04:24.22 | DrCode | I read that n900 can use microsd 64Gb , some pepole recommanded on SanDisk 64Gb class 10, any one using samsung 64Gb with n900? |
| 04:31.50 | Macer | hm |
| 04:32.09 | Macer | anybody know if the sociality in devel was updated to function? |
| 04:32.23 | Macer | i remember the one in the repo not showing the newsfeed |
| 04:32.29 | Macer | but the one on tmo worked |
| 04:33.25 | Sc0rpius | I don't think it has been updated |
| 04:33.41 | Sc0rpius | but what amazes me is that nobody has volunteered to do it |
| 04:33.46 | Macer | heh |
| 04:33.52 | Sc0rpius | looks like all Maemo developers have left and only users remain |
| 04:33.57 | Macer | yeah it is probably the best fb client i have seen heh |
| 04:34.08 | Macer | well. the devs are all working to maintain cssu |
| 04:34.13 | Macer | and the repos are in disaray |
| 04:34.17 | Macer | array |
| 04:34.57 | Sc0rpius | that's true |
| 04:35.03 | Macer | im trying to find the functional deb on tmo |
| 04:35.21 | Macer | it half worked. i think the only major issue was the "like" not working properly |
| 04:35.24 | Sc0rpius | I would love to see pacakges imported into extras again, right now they can't survive further than extras/devel |
| 04:36.06 | Sc0rpius | it shouldn't be too hard to fix if it's a well-coded app, which I'm sure it is since it was coded by MohammadAG if I'm not mistaken |
| 04:38.27 | psycho_oreos | I don't think all the developers have left. It is true that I agree to an extent that the majority have left, there still are decent maintainers around. |
| 04:39.45 | Macer | MohammadAG gave up on the project? |
| 04:40.09 | psycho_oreos | He probably had too many other projects lined up. Don't forget in the case of OMP. |
| 04:41.07 | Macer | hm |
| 04:41.32 | Macer | extras has q-extras 1.0.5 :-/ |
| 04:41.55 | psycho_oreos | I also guess this is why sixwheeledbeast formed testing squad. In a bid to get the repository promotions happening, there were simply way too many programs sitting in extras-devel, some of which work perfectly fine but it never gets tested properly hence promoted. |
| 04:42.24 | Macer | well. there isnt a big maemo base nowadays :) |
| 04:42.34 | Macer | nor are there a lot of devs |
| 04:42.55 | psycho_oreos | All these years of inactive promotion probably have also made developers/maintainers leave, simply because the lack of feedback from the community. |
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| 04:43.29 | Macer | i wonder how many active maemo users there are nowadays |
| 04:43.32 | psycho_oreos | Yeah it isn't a big base for a few reasons, but nonetheless its good that we still have developers/maintainers willing to keep the whole project active. |
| 04:44.21 | Macer | i guess the major concentration is with cssu |
| 04:44.49 | Sc0rpius | MohammadAG has move to other platforms |
| 04:44.52 | Sc0rpius | moved |
| 04:44.58 | Macer | ah well... what can you do? |
| 04:44.59 | Macer | heh |
| 04:45.00 | Sc0rpius | no longer working on N900 |
| 04:45.09 | Macer | Sc0rpius: like ios? |
| 04:45.11 | Macer | heh |
| 04:46.07 | Sc0rpius | nope, he actually has a Galaxy S4 now |
| 04:46.10 | psycho_oreos | Mind you whilst the rest of the regulars are sticking around CSSU stuff, we have had a few new maemo users coming in. Not many of course but a few, maybe about a dozen. |
| 04:46.14 | Macer | ouch |
| 04:46.36 | Sc0rpius | or so I read in his twitter account |
| 04:46.37 | Macer | to install q-extras 1.0.7 i would have to install a lot of deps :-/ |
| 04:47.03 | Sc0rpius | how do you know that psycho_oreos |
| 04:47.22 | Sc0rpius | well I'm always seeing people with 1 or 2 posts (new users) posting in TMO all the time |
| 04:47.29 | Sc0rpius | it's weird. |
| 04:48.14 | Macer | heh |
| 04:48.17 | psycho_oreos | Sc0rpius, just a rough guess (looking at the new threads/posts) on TMO. |
| 04:48.28 | Sc0rpius | I see |
| 04:48.35 | Sc0rpius | well yeah I also have seen new users in TMO |
| 04:48.47 | Macer | when the n900 first came out this # was booming lol |
| 04:48.54 | Macer | had some awesome characters |
| 04:49.00 | Macer | wish lcuk was still around |
| 04:49.17 | psycho_oreos | They are the ones that I would say "active", there's probably others that are active but they won't say anything, just continue lurking and somewhat staying in the shadows. |
| 04:49.29 | Macer | heh |
| 04:49.45 | psycho_oreos | I believe the IRC logs were massive.. we had many developers.. many.. |
| 04:49.56 | Sc0rpius | yeah a lot definitely |
| 04:50.09 | Sc0rpius | you can see it just looking at the really high number of apps in the repositories |
| 04:50.36 | Macer | most of those are old and not really maintained anymore |
| 04:50.37 | psycho_oreos | There was probably hardly anytime that this channel remained quiet for so long compared to now and what it was back then. |
| 04:50.51 | Macer | yah. this place was awesome heh |
| 04:50.54 | psycho_oreos | Yeah many developers/maintainers moved on.. for various reasons. |
| 04:51.10 | Macer | i would say mostly due to abandonment |
| 04:51.22 | Macer | got it with the 770 8x0 and 900 |
| 04:51.28 | Macer | nokia abandoned all 3 lol |
| 04:51.44 | Macer | and left devs and users high and dry |
| 04:51.58 | Macer | i would say because the open fad died |
| 04:52.42 | psycho_oreos | Abandonment on various levels I suppose. Developers/maintainers wouldn't be interested in working on something that has 0 people following, its kinda like how twitter works. If there's no activity on the said project, it simply means that the use was very limited and nobody cares if it withered away. |
| 04:53.25 | Macer | well... tbh... most open projects which lose their main company support dont last long |
| 04:53.53 | Macer | maemo, opensolaris, to name a couple |
| 04:53.58 | psycho_oreos | Yup, lack of funding/interest pooled on particular projects. |
| 04:54.13 | Macer | when oracle pulled the plug on osol it pretty much became another maemo heh |
| 04:54.36 | Macer | at least the fbsd people took up on zfs |
| 04:54.37 | psycho_oreos | openmoko is another example. |
| 04:54.43 | Macer | yah |
| 04:55.16 | Macer | google probably did right with android |
| 04:55.36 | Sc0rpius | where I work |
| 04:55.41 | Macer | even if google pulled the plug on it ... the manufacturer companies of the devices would just keep their forks |
| 04:55.44 | Macer | and build on them |
| 04:56.07 | Sc0rpius | we have several Sun Fire T5240 servers, anyway those run Solaris and most of them have arrays of disk formatted with RAID-Z (ZFS) |
| 04:56.11 | Sc0rpius | and even if the idea is good |
| 04:56.16 | Macer | sure |
| 04:56.20 | Macer | solaris is awesome |
| 04:56.22 | Sc0rpius | they are EXTREMELY SLOW compared to UFS so ZFS is a NO-NO for me! |
| 04:56.27 | Macer | but it is also expensive |
| 04:56.34 | Sc0rpius | it *was* expensive |
| 04:56.37 | Sc0rpius | now it doesn't even exist :P |
| 04:56.43 | psycho_oreos | Android I believe worked quite differently. It really started off as a software which began infiltrating on various embedded hardwares. Unlike maemo where the software is tied to the hardware, hence it became hardware-specific. |
| 04:56.45 | Macer | really?? |
| 04:56.54 | Macer | i thought oracle still sold solaris |
| 04:57.26 | Macer | they also update zfs all the time for paying solaris customers :) |
| 04:57.34 | Sc0rpius | you can get Solaris 11 yeah |
| 04:57.46 | Macer | newer versions of zfs have dataset encrytion |
| 04:57.48 | Sc0rpius | and still some servers |
| 04:57.54 | Macer | amongst other awesome new features |
| 04:57.58 | Sc0rpius | but nobody buys them anymore |
| 04:58.00 | psycho_oreos | There has been various attempts in the past to free maemo from being tied to its own platform, but there were mixed results and if you look at their support channels now, they are also dying/dead. |
| 04:58.03 | Macer | you really cant beat zfs |
| 04:58.27 | Macer | Sc0rpius: i dont know |
| 04:58.39 | Macer | im sure oracle still kicks ass with the db business |
| 04:58.49 | Sc0rpius | no doubt about it |
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| 04:59.04 | Sc0rpius | but I meant the Sun Servers |
| 04:59.05 | Macer | and solaris + zfs + orcle cant be beaten |
| 04:59.12 | Sc0rpius | Oracle runs in Linux now |
| 04:59.22 | Sc0rpius | it didn't when I first met the DB |
| 04:59.29 | Macer | heh |
| 04:59.30 | Sc0rpius | people is moving to cloud fast |
| 04:59.39 | Sc0rpius | Datacenters are getting empty |
| 04:59.44 | Macer | they ran linux. im sure they push solaris nowadays |
| 04:59.53 | Macer | since gpl and zfs licenses conflict |
| 05:00.12 | Macer | which is why zfs has to use fuse or some patch manually installed |
| 05:00.16 | Macer | in linux |
| 05:00.22 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure oracle wouldn't be dumb to put "all their eggs in one basket". It's a common business/investment strategy. |
| 05:00.27 | Sc0rpius | actually Oracle has its own filesystem so if you want the best performance you just let Oracle access to the raw disks |
| 05:00.45 | Macer | well.. oracle was supporting btrfs a LOT |
| 05:00.52 | Macer | then they bought sun |
| 05:00.57 | Sc0rpius | you can still have datafiles in your own fs like before of course |
| 05:00.58 | Macer | and pulled their support lol |
| 05:01.09 | Sc0rpius | Oracle is great |
| 05:01.12 | Macer | zfs was lightyears ahead of btrfs |
| 05:01.19 | Sc0rpius | I have seen it doing amazing things |
| 05:01.26 | Sc0rpius | but still MySQL is enough for most people |
| 05:01.27 | Sc0rpius | hehe |
| 05:01.44 | Macer | im waiting on oracle to can mysql too |
| 05:01.44 | psycho_oreos | Don't forget too about PostgreSQL. |
| 05:01.47 | Sc0rpius | MySQL is from Oracle too nowadays! |
| 05:01.52 | Macer | yah |
| 05:02.01 | Macer | most people are swapping to mariadb |
| 05:02.03 | Sc0rpius | SQL has to die |
| 05:02.10 | Macer | because of oracle |
| 05:02.12 | Sc0rpius | NoSQL stuff will become mainstream |
| 05:02.17 | Macer | it is just a matter of time |
| 05:02.32 | Macer | before oravcle ruins mysql as well :) |
| 05:02.46 | Macer | they have already been leaning that way |
| 05:03.16 | Macer | but i have to admit. when opensolaris was around.. it was absolutely awesome heh |
| 05:03.18 | Sc0rpius | you look like you know your stuff |
| 05:03.19 | Macer | i loved it |
| 05:03.23 | Sc0rpius | now I wonder why don't you fix sociality :P |
| 05:03.33 | Macer | im not a dev ;) |
| 05:03.38 | Macer | otherwise i would |
| 05:04.24 | Macer | installing sociality would require like 100 pkgs from devel |
| 05:04.48 | Macer | screw that. i learned my lesson last time dealing with the devel repo |
| 05:04.59 | Sc0rpius | so you don't even have devel repo configured? |
| 05:05.01 | Macer | i will just use the mobile page in microb heh |
| 05:05.06 | Sc0rpius | that's a big mistake! |
| 05:05.09 | Macer | no. i turned it on |
| 05:05.18 | Macer | to see what q-extras required |
| 05:05.36 | Macer | sociality depends on q-extras 1.0.7+ |
| 05:05.39 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: what is "manually importing packages to extras-testing" supposed to mean? |
| 05:05.51 | Sc0rpius | it means I clicked on import package and nothing happened |
| 05:05.59 | Sc0rpius | and my package says "package imported" |
| 05:06.06 | freemangordon | weird. which package? |
| 05:06.11 | Sc0rpius | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/yappari/1.0.37/ |
| 05:07.00 | psycho_oreos | If you looked at the description of Q-Extras... "Library of helpful Qt-based components." wouldn't that be somewhat obvious that it would install a whole bunch of libqt* stuff? :) |
| 05:07.00 | freemangordon | when did you do that? |
| 05:07.05 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: ^^^ |
| 05:07.17 | Sc0rpius | like three weeks ago :) |
| 05:07.25 | freemangordon | aah :) |
| 05:07.42 | Sc0rpius | I guess I have to import new packages |
| 05:07.48 | freemangordon | no |
| 05:07.56 | freemangordon | wait a minute |
| 05:08.28 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1364191&postcount=86 |
| 05:08.39 | freemangordon | and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1364305&postcount=89 |
| 05:08.46 | Sc0rpius | ohh |
| 05:09.17 | Sc0rpius | and how those new packages have reached extras-testing then? |
| 05:09.40 | freemangordon | read the second post ;) |
| 05:09.43 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: promote http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/yappari/1.0.37/ |
| 05:09.52 | psycho_oreos | !seen Pali |
| 05:09.57 | psycho_oreos | ~seen Pali |
| 05:10.00 | infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13h 2m 42s ago, saying: 'Sourav: just charge battery to FULL, then discharge it until bme replacement will shutdown phone and then charge battery again'. |
| 05:11.39 | Sc0rpius | clicks on Promote package |
| 05:11.47 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: :nod: |
| 05:12.16 | Sc0rpius | now it says promoted aahh I've even forgotten what it used to say |
| 05:12.34 | freemangordon | it will like 1 hour to reach -testing |
| 05:12.38 | Sc0rpius | well now I wait cron jobs to copy to extras/testing I guess and then I have to tell my testers to test |
| 05:12.45 | freemangordon | yep |
| 05:14.02 | Sc0rpius | Macer I wonder what q-extras is, all I know is that it is another project of MohammadAG |
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| 05:15.05 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: hmm, are you sure you've promoted yappari back then? as I see "promote package" enabled for armel package too ;) |
| 05:15.14 | freemangordon | (don't click it) |
| 05:15.45 | Sc0rpius | then I promoted the wrong package! (I won't) |
| 05:15.58 | Sc0rpius | but the wiki says promote the armel and the i386 will be promoted automatically (or something) |
| 05:16.03 | freemangordon | yep |
| 05:16.28 | freemangordon | now you've promotoed 386, armel will follow shortly |
| 05:16.42 | Sc0rpius | ok |
| 05:16.45 | freemangordon | the point is: |
| 05:16.47 | freemangordon | <Sc0rpius> it means I clicked on import package and nothing happened |
| 05:17.02 | Sc0rpius | I guess I meant "promote package" |
| 05:17.07 | freemangordon | got that |
| 05:17.13 | Sc0rpius | but it was never promoted to the extras/testing |
| 05:17.29 | freemangordon | was it an older version? |
| 05:17.34 | Sc0rpius | could be... |
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| 05:17.47 | freemangordon | ok, it makes sense then |
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| 05:28.13 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: the last promotion I see is on 2013-05-17, I guess you've given up after that :D |
| 05:28.38 | Sc0rpius | probably :) |
| 05:28.45 | freemangordon | http://maemo.org/packages/view/yappari/ |
| 05:28.48 | Sc0rpius | I thought it was more recent though |
| 05:29.01 | freemangordon | not according to package history |
| 05:29.08 | freemangordon | *the package |
| 05:29.32 | Sc0rpius | I see |
| 05:29.58 | freemangordon | wonders why marxian is not promoting cutetube to -testing |
| 05:30.43 | psycho_oreos | Wasn't it already in extras-testing? |
| 05:30.45 | Sc0rpius | he knows it is working again? |
| 05:30.52 | Sc0rpius | most people just gave up |
| 05:31.26 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: I left a not on cutetube thread, alond with a bug report. maybe he is on holiday :) |
| 05:31.36 | Sc0rpius | maybe |
| 05:31.40 | freemangordon | s/not/note/ |
| 05:32.14 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: the version in -testing is ancient |
| 05:32.24 | freemangordon | 1.4.0 |
| 05:32.32 | freemangordon | the version in -devel is 1.7.9 |
| 05:32.46 | psycho_oreos | Ahh makes sense.. that would be the same ordeal as qmltube or (cutetube-qml). |
| 05:33.20 | psycho_oreos | wishes now he hasn't given that older cutetube a thumbs up... |
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| 05:36.58 | psycho_oreos | takes a peek at yappari. |
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| 05:43.52 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/yappari/1.0.37/ |
| 05:43.55 | freemangordon | :) |
| 05:43.59 | Sc0rpius | :) |
| 05:44.12 | Sc0rpius | that was fast |
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| 07:10.32 | Sourav | looks interesting talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1367012#post1367012 |
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| 07:35.42 | psycho_oreos | Hah!, never released in Japan or Australia ... and worst console ever vote in 2007. |
| 07:36.20 | psycho_oreos | rather not vote, it was named. Even worse. |
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| 09:39.44 | Lava_Croft | Pali: update to your bme breaks Docs calibration script? |
| 09:43.48 | Pali | Lava_Croft: what Docs using? |
| 09:44.32 | Pali | when you are using bme replacement it is not possible to read/write bq i2c registers |
| 09:44.36 | Pali | via i2c-get |
| 09:44.58 | Pali | but you can use i2cget with flag '-f' |
| 09:45.18 | Lava_Croft | mom, let me move to desktop |
| 09:45.41 | Lava_Croft | there |
| 09:46.50 | Lava_Croft | Pali: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1247595#post1247595 |
| 09:47.18 | Lava_Croft | I used that the last time to calibrate, but since update it doesnt report my 1500+ mah anymore |
| 09:47.36 | Lava_Croft | running the script doesnt work, now i know due to not being able to use i2c-get :) |
| 09:47.47 | Pali | no it using i2cset |
| 09:47.53 | Lava_Croft | oh |
| 09:48.00 | Pali | you should rewrite it to use echo ... > /sys/... |
| 09:48.13 | Pali | Lava_Croft: kerio has something |
| 09:48.23 | kerio | i what |
| 09:48.25 | Lava_Croft | pokes kerio with a bird's feather |
| 09:48.28 | Lava_Croft | hey that was fast |
| 09:48.40 | Lava_Croft | you have an 'updated' battery calib script? |
| 09:48.51 | Lava_Croft | this stuff needs a central point |
| 09:51.59 | Lava_Croft | so now what |
| 09:52.52 | Lava_Croft | Pali: what exactly do i need to rewrite and how? |
| 09:53.04 | Lava_Croft | I need to have a clue! :) |
| 09:53.12 | Pali | i2cget/i2cset |
| 09:53.32 | Pali | you cannot read/write i2c bq27200 and bq24151 registers directly |
| 09:54.05 | Pali | you need to use /sys/class/power_supply/.... /registers file for that |
| 09:54.23 | Lava_Croft | this might be slightly above my head / technical skill |
| 09:54.24 | Pali | kerio: you have some calibration script which working with bme_replacment |
| 09:54.37 | kerio | yeah |
| 09:54.39 | Pali | kerio: and Lava_Croft asking for it |
| 09:54.52 | kerio | http://acehack.de/~kerio/calibratebq27200 |
| 09:54.55 | kerio | or something |
| 09:55.00 | Pali | Lava_Croft ^^^ |
| 09:55.07 | Lava_Croft | thats both scripts combined in a single one? |
| 09:55.20 | Lava_Croft | ah, it looks like shadow's script |
| 09:55.26 | Lava_Croft | or not |
| 09:55.30 | Lava_Croft | lets just see how it works |
| 09:55.39 | Lava_Croft | Thanks! |
| 09:55.58 | Lava_Croft | haha |
| 09:56.12 | Lava_Croft | just checking, my battery is at 1350/1262 mah |
| 09:56.19 | Lava_Croft | its fuller than full |
| 10:00.08 | Lava_Croft | kerio: thats a nice clean script |
| 10:04.37 | kerio | Lava_Croft: that's a separate issue though |
| 10:05.10 | Lava_Croft | one that wasnt there before |
| 10:05.11 | kerio | modprobe -r rx51-battery |
| 10:05.14 | Lava_Croft | at least not on my end |
| 10:05.24 | kerio | latest version of bmerep did that |
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| 10:06.16 | Lava_Croft | hey what |
| 10:06.23 | Lava_Croft | fuck me, that worked |
| 10:07.00 | Lava_Croft | why thank you |
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| 10:19.48 | Iridos | oi, FAT-fs (sdb1): error, fat_free_clusters: deleting FAT entry beyond EOF |
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| 10:22.28 | kerio | neato |
| 10:23.23 | kerio | !rc stth |
| 10:23.27 | kerio | whoops |
| 10:23.37 | Iridos | everything still seems to be there after fsck... |
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| 10:27.55 | psycho_oreos | Iridos, I think that's what you get for dirty vfat filesystems. |
| 10:29.17 | Iridos | first time that happened, though... and not always unmounting over the last years. I just seem to have had a bit of an unlucky hand with filesystems lately |
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| 11:24.57 | qwerty123 | hey help me with easy chroot please!! there isno icon of it, how do i use it to mount and chroot into some partition |
| 11:25.25 | Apic | Easy Debian Chroot has Icons |
| 11:26.04 | qwerty123 | nope just easy chroot! |
| 11:26.22 | qwerty123 | it should have an icon! its not showingin systems! |
| 11:26.26 | Lava_Croft | http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian |
| 11:27.15 | qwerty123 | not easy debian !! easy-chroot just! |
| 11:28.41 | quackquack | https://elektranox.org/n900/index.html |
| 11:28.47 | quackquack | native debian. |
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| 11:30.12 | Lithdk | It works, Pyscho, it booted |
| 11:30.56 | Lithdk | Now Im gonna let it charge for a while before I take out the battery to put in my sim |
| 11:31.04 | Lava_Croft | Lithdk: \o/ |
| 11:31.07 | Lava_Croft | WIN |
| 11:31.12 | Lithdk | and lava, yes it works :D |
| 11:31.16 | Lava_Croft | hooray |
| 11:31.19 | Lava_Croft | time to break it again |
| 11:31.21 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 11:31.26 | Lithdk | Super win, and everything _seems_ like maemo5 |
| 11:31.37 | Lava_Croft | you cant really fake that with java crap i guess |
| 11:31.40 | quackquack | break it and make it. |
| 11:31.45 | Lithdk | yeah lol ^^ I also have to order some data subscription with my phone plan now |
| 11:32.16 | Lithdk | 5g data/month for around 10 us dollars fair? |
| 11:32.32 | Lava_Croft | seems fair enough |
| 11:32.40 | Lava_Croft | you dont use 5gb a month on mobile data anyway |
| 11:32.53 | kerio | Lithdk: sure |
| 11:32.55 | Lava_Croft | i barely get to 1gb |
| 11:33.01 | psycho_oreos | Lithdk, just been catching up on forum threads lol. Even better that you are here. |
| 11:33.07 | Lithdk | I like to watch movies and youtube and shit |
| 11:33.10 | kerio | i pay 5eur for 100mb/day |
| 11:33.16 | kerio | which is kind of a pain |
| 11:33.23 | psycho_oreos | get cutetube Lithdk, cutetube from extras-devel. |
| 11:33.25 | Lithdk | Yeah it's awesome man :D |
| 11:33.32 | Lava_Croft | i pay 45 a month because i got a galaxy nexus with it |
| 11:33.35 | Lava_Croft | that i sold very quickly |
| 11:33.38 | Lithdk | Thank you guys so much for all your help yesterday |
| 11:33.56 | psycho_oreos | A real N900 should allow you to add whatever repository you want, refresh the dpkg list and install new programs. |
| 11:33.57 | Lithdk | cutetube, got it :P just need to get my data plan set up |
| 11:34.13 | psycho_oreos | If you have WLAN you can try and set it up through that. |
| 11:34.24 | Lithdk | also I dont have my sim in it yet, Im using the battery that came with the phone so I want it to charge up |
| 11:34.41 | psycho_oreos | Also, USB networking.. allows your N900 to use your PC for internet connection (or vice-versa). |
| 11:34.42 | Lithdk | I only got ethernet :P no router |
| 11:34.44 | kerio | don't put the sim in yet |
| 11:34.46 | kerio | ~cherry |
| 11:34.50 | kerio | mmh |
| 11:34.53 | kerio | infobot: dude |
| 11:34.54 | infobot | well, dude is Be most excellent to each other! Also the moniker of Jim Dixon. |
| 11:34.59 | kerio | fine |
| 11:35.08 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 11:35.08 | Lava_Croft | touch /home/user/.cherry_state |
| 11:35.18 | kerio | Lithdk: uninstall cherry and/or install notmynokia and/or what Lava_Croft said first |
| 11:35.18 | Lava_Croft | before entering sim |
| 11:35.22 | Lithdk | We'll give it an hour to charge. But find out what you want me to test on this and make a list, if it's really a functional 100% n900 people on the forums wanna know |
| 11:35.27 | Lava_Croft | or else nokia sends you a fucking SMS |
| 11:35.33 | Lava_Croft | that will enrage you |
| 11:35.39 | Lava_Croft | because you never asked for a goddamn sms |
| 11:35.52 | Lithdk | haha |
| 11:36.11 | Lava_Croft | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 11:36.13 | Lithdk | delete .cherry_state? |
| 11:36.16 | Lava_Croft | touch it |
| 11:36.25 | Lava_Croft | if it exists, you dont get the sms |
| 11:36.41 | psycho_oreos | I'm surprised nokia will still to do that to new owners of N900. They've stopped supporting in a big way but they're still willing to send SMS to new N900 owners? heh. |
| 11:36.47 | Lava_Croft | psycho_oreos: n9 too |
| 11:36.55 | Lava_Croft | TIPS AND OFFERS |
| 11:37.34 | psycho_oreos | Lava_Croft, lol an "unwanted child" still gets some form of care and attention even though it was still "unwanted". |
| 11:37.37 | Lava_Croft | Lithdk: that link contains a host of valuable unfo |
| 11:37.39 | Lava_Croft | info* |
| 11:37.53 | kerio | it's not like they're in a position to change how it works in existing n900s |
| 11:38.07 | Lava_Croft | and it not like it in any way costs nokia actual money |
| 11:38.09 | Lava_Croft | sending those 10 sms' |
| 11:38.11 | Lithdk | Alright Imma read through it |
| 11:38.22 | Lava_Croft | Lithdk: also read up on CSSU |
| 11:38.31 | Lava_Croft | the 'community update' for maemo5 |
| 11:40.11 | psycho_oreos | No but the cherry state I thought can be shut down remotely. I guess they can't be stuffed doing that but can be stuffed shutting down *.maemo.org and developer.nokia.com (or whatever that site was). |
| 11:40.38 | Lava_Croft | which makes total sense |
| 11:40.42 | Lava_Croft | why would nokia keep those running |
| 11:40.53 | Lithdk | ls -l .cherry_state reports "no such file or directory |
| 11:40.58 | Lava_Croft | touch it |
| 11:41.03 | Lava_Croft | i pasted the command |
| 11:41.38 | psycho_oreos | I meant if nokia could be bothered shutting down other things but not that cherry crap, its something that is quite amusing no? |
| 11:42.05 | Lithdk | touched it |
| 11:42.08 | psycho_oreos | Lithdk, also get cpumem-applet, its a very nifty tool. |
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| 11:42.44 | Lava_Croft | yup |
| 11:43.02 | kerio | psycho_oreos: there's nothing to shut down |
| 11:43.08 | Lava_Croft | http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo |
| 11:43.10 | Lava_Croft | also handy |
| 11:43.29 | kerio | leaving things as they are is doing nothing |
| 11:43.30 | kerio | shutting it down would require effort |
| 11:43.30 | Lithdk | does it take conky as is or is there some modified version? |
| 11:43.37 | psycho_oreos | kerio, so the cherry state and nokia sending you SMS is all done locally? |
| 11:43.57 | kerio | no, *you* send an sms |
| 11:44.01 | kerio | which is the problem |
| 11:44.09 | Lava_Croft | Lithdk: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup |
| 11:44.10 | Lava_Croft | and there |
| 11:44.16 | Lava_Croft | all contain bits and pieces of handy info |
| 11:44.40 | psycho_oreos | I meant afterwards, after sending SMS. They could have shut it down. |
| 11:44.54 | Lithdk | Have like a million links now ^^ |
| 11:45.00 | kerio | "the perfect setup" involves disabling every repo in ham, setting up some repos, and then uninstalling LOTS of stuff |
| 11:45.08 | kerio | psycho_oreos: i doubt anything happens afterwards |
| 11:45.33 | Lithdk | Im gonna go get a burger to celebrate, will be back quickly. |
| 11:45.34 | psycho_oreos | Lithdk, you can use standard conky but there's a nicer conky setup in the repos. |
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| 11:45.47 | Lava_Croft | yeah, 'all features enabled' orso |
| 11:45.49 | Lava_Croft | you want that conki |
| 11:45.54 | Lithdk | Yeah but its just a .conkyrc file ? |
| 11:45.54 | Lava_Croft | its in the description |
| 11:45.57 | Lava_Croft | no |
| 11:46.05 | Lava_Croft | its a full conky install + conf |
| 11:46.07 | psycho_oreos | kerio, oh I thought it might still have been active. |
| 11:46.24 | psycho_oreos | yup ^ (as Lava_Croft said). |
| 11:46.28 | Lithdk | oh cool, gonna look at that after I get my burger. 10 minutes guys |
| 11:46.31 | Lava_Croft | Lithdk: http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7046/6968632623_9e54180908.jpg |
| 11:46.32 | Lava_Croft | like that |
| 11:46.40 | Lava_Croft | random google image |
| 11:47.19 | psycho_oreos | You got to like the time that screenshot was taken :> |
| 11:47.44 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 11:48.52 | kerio | anyway, extras-devel-light is a lifesaver when you're on limited traffic/bandwidth |
| 11:52.53 | psycho_oreos | I hear it has DiffIndex. Then again, it seems like as if the real repository(.maemo.org) needs something like that as well. |
| 11:53.19 | Lava_Croft | extras-devel-light is always a lifesaver/timesaver |
| 11:53.31 | Lava_Croft | nothing more annoying than having to wait for HAM because extras-devel is full of junk |
| 11:54.00 | kerio | apt-get update taking tens of kb instead of 10MB *is* a gamechanger |
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| 11:56.09 | Lithdk | that's a nice conky |
| 11:56.41 | psycho_oreos | That's what you get when you use the conky that's provided in the repos (or similar). |
| 12:06.21 | psycho_oreos | I guess its the real N900 that you got, I personally have never seen any fake N900 that is capable of running maemo let alone properly. Though if you want to double check and to verify that it is the real N900. There maybe are few tools here and there that you can try and see if it works. |
| 12:06.27 | Lithdk | bah she cant add a data plan to my current subscription and I have to wait for a new sim, what a bitch |
| 12:06.34 | Lava_Croft | aw |
| 12:06.48 | Lithdk | but as you said I could leech off of my stationaries internet? |
| 12:07.06 | psycho_oreos | stationaries? |
| 12:07.13 | Lithdk | 's * sry. PC |
| 12:07.13 | Lava_Croft | stationary |
| 12:07.25 | psycho_oreos | Yes, via USB networking |
| 12:07.28 | Lithdk | Im from Denmark, english isnt my native language |
| 12:07.29 | psycho_oreos | ~usbnetwork |
| 12:07.41 | Lava_Croft | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking |
| 12:08.00 | psycho_oreos | *nods* I didn't want to make a mistake in misunderstanding. (English isn't really my native language either :)) |
| 12:08.09 | Lava_Croft | same here |
| 12:08.43 | psycho_oreos | Though I guess all of us just use English as a basis form of communication :) |
| 12:08.52 | Lava_Croft | should get rid of all other languages |
| 12:09.12 | psycho_oreos | That'll piss translators off lol. |
| 12:09.18 | Lithdk | indeed |
| 12:09.40 | Lava_Croft | my brother is freelance translator:) |
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| 12:10.12 | Lithdk | Remove daylight savings and change all languages to English |
| 12:10.56 | psycho_oreos | Lithdk, for reference I have USB networking working very well with my setup. One of my N900 is using my PC's wifi to connect to my router. Of course I could just get N900 to connect to my router without really needing a PC or whatever, but at least this way I can see bandwidth going in and out from my PC. |
| 12:11.10 | psycho_oreos | That'll make him redundant lol Lava_Croft |
| 12:11.58 | Lithdk | I should just get a wireless router |
| 12:12.34 | psycho_oreos | USB networking is so nifty in various ways, you can even make it do the opposite, have PC using N900's wifi to connect to the router. Though it heavily relies on your microUSB port. |
| 12:13.09 | psycho_oreos | Also speaking of USB port, you should try and get that issue addressed (just in case, ideally before it breaks). |
| 12:13.41 | Lithdk | 60% charged. do I dare take out the battery to put in sim? |
| 12:14.13 | psycho_oreos | I'd say 60% charged should be more than enough for bootup. It's also enough to go into flashing as well. |
| 12:14.58 | psycho_oreos | Do remember to turn off your N900 first, and wait for at least 15 seconds before taking the battery out. Un-graceful shutdowns will lead to stale NFS handles and requiring fsck. |
| 12:15.31 | Lithdk | Yeah I read about that |
| 12:16.47 | Lithdk | phew, it's booting up |
| 12:17.00 | psycho_oreos | If I remember correctly, after holding power button down and watching the white LED slowly diminishing. When the white LED doesn't become visible, you may take the battery out (if you're in a hurry) but its not recommended as the device will try to enter into ACT_DEAD state. |
| 12:17.25 | psycho_oreos | s/deminish/fad/ |
| 12:17.29 | kerio | to do usb networking, ignore that crap actually |
| 12:17.39 | kerio | install libicd-network-usb |
| 12:17.42 | psycho_oreos | s/diminish/fad/ |
| 12:18.13 | psycho_oreos | o.O so w.m.o. needs updating. |
| 12:18.13 | Lithdk | and lost all my contacts :P |
| 12:18.31 | psycho_oreos | You should be able to import them from SIM or via bluetooth. |
| 12:18.35 | kerio | connect in pc-suite mode, enable forwarding with dhcp on the pc side, and then connect via Internet Connection dialog |
| 12:19.02 | psycho_oreos | That's been made redundant with libicd-network-usb kerio? |
| 12:19.22 | Lithdk | got one contact on my sim card :P "Dad" |
| 12:19.36 | psycho_oreos | haha :D one down, many to go. |
| 12:20.09 | psycho_oreos | Like I said you can sync contacts via bluetooth. If your old phone was a nokia you can setup sync accounts and do it through there. |
| 12:20.23 | Lithdk | My old phone doesnt have bluetooth |
| 12:20.36 | psycho_oreos | Ouch :/ |
| 12:20.43 | Lithdk | I dont even think it has infrared :P This is my first smartphone |
| 12:20.59 | kerio | aren't they on your sim? |
| 12:21.05 | psycho_oreos | I guess the only way is to make your old phone dump all your contacts to SIM, then migrate that SIM to your N900 and import (again) from there. |
| 12:21.05 | Wizzup | you can probably have the phone export them to the sim card |
| 12:21.08 | Lithdk | I was one of those "Yeah okay but I only need to call and text people-duh" |
| 12:21.12 | Wizzup | and then import from sim on n900 |
| 12:21.18 | Wizzup | I never had any luck with the bluetooth sync |
| 12:21.20 | Wizzup | even with two nokia phones |
| 12:21.46 | psycho_oreos | Weird, mine was almost perfect. This was awhile ago with n95-1 and N900. |
| 12:21.51 | Lithdk | I dont really need the contacts, had a lot of people I needed to clean out anyway |
| 12:21.56 | Wizzup | mine was an old nokia phone |
| 12:22.08 | psycho_oreos | Question is how old lol. |
| 12:22.15 | psycho_oreos | Mine would have been circa 2005 or so. |
| 12:22.41 | Lithdk | When was 3510i released? |
| 12:22.53 | psycho_oreos | Lithdk, or you can clean them out on your old phone, then export the rest to your SIM card and then migrate that SIM card to your N900. |
| 12:23.09 | psycho_oreos | nfi lol, sometime in 1990ish? |
| 12:23.35 | kerio | nfi obviously meaning "no faintest idea" |
| 12:23.46 | psycho_oreos | http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_3510i-344.php ---> 2002 it states. |
| 12:24.10 | psycho_oreos | Rather I like to think of it as no ********** idea or no fudging idea :D |
| 12:24.53 | Lithdk | haha |
| 12:24.57 | psycho_oreos | Holy cow, looking at the specs of 3510i and comparing it with N900, its a huge jump. |
| 12:25.16 | Lithdk | Indeed it is. But 3510i was their first color phone :P it was amazing at the time |
| 12:25.48 | psycho_oreos | The only other connectivity available was GPRS. I can't imagine any fun sending contacts using that (let alone if it would ever work easily or not). |
| 12:26.00 | psycho_oreos | The keyword here was "was" :) |
| 12:26.19 | Lithdk | Hehe |
| 12:28.02 | psycho_oreos | I think around 2002 I had some Ericsson phone. Can't quite remember the model name of it. |
| 12:28.26 | Lithdk | Why do people password protect their wireless, makes me hate my neighbours |
| 12:29.42 | psycho_oreos | Impersonation, abuse, etc. |
| 12:30.00 | Lava_Croft | some countries have laws that state if people use your wifi for criminal acts, you are responsible |
| 12:30.02 | psycho_oreos | I password protect mine as well.. and its also hidden. |
| 12:30.04 | Lava_Croft | (read: germany) |
| 12:30.17 | Lithdk | How about neighbourly love and compasion? |
| 12:30.22 | Lithdk | Dang that's crazy |
| 12:30.24 | Lava_Croft | ask them? |
| 12:30.45 | psycho_oreos | Yeah the best way is to ask, if you don't have your own. |
| 12:30.48 | Lithdk | So if someone uses aircrack and use your wireless for criminal acts you are responsible? |
| 12:30.56 | Lava_Croft | thats different |
| 12:32.13 | psycho_oreos | It'll be hard to track though. You (as the owner) could simply say that you were not responsible for criminal acts and that you have taken appropriate steps to ensure your network is secured. They'll just need to try and triangulate the culprit. |
| 12:33.36 | psycho_oreos | Also there's another tool, aircrack-ng would be handy for one way. There's another one that specifically deals with the vulnerable WPS issue. |
| 12:36.57 | Lithdk | So apperantly I can use the internet without a dataplan :s I just clicked on the "facebook"-icon and it connected me |
| 12:37.05 | psycho_oreos | also recalls Germany is also very strict on security professionals. There was an article which mentioned,"Hacking ist verboten". In English that would roughly be translated that hacking is forbidden. |
| 12:37.09 | Lithdk | desktop version of facebook though |
| 12:37.41 | Lithdk | I know, Im from Denmark. Forced to learn german in school |
| 12:38.11 | psycho_oreos | Your provider may allow you to use it but becareful, they may try and charge you because you did not want to have dataplan or whatever. |
| 12:38.45 | psycho_oreos | Ahh, that's somewhat one of the cool things of living in EU I suppose, people from there are virtually all polyglots. |
| 12:38.50 | Lithdk | Well from what I heard trying to set up the data plan on the phone Im getting a new sim and a new account on their website which means I need to use the 50$ I got on my old account pretty quickly |
| 12:39.33 | Lithdk | Yeah. Everyone from the north understands german, if they understand german they also understand a little dutch, if they are from scandinavia they understand danish, swedish and norwegian and everybody speaks english |
| 12:40.11 | LjL-Alps | i'm not really sure "everyone from the north" understands german... |
| 12:40.14 | psycho_oreos | I'm not sure with how your provider works, but where I live (in Australia) telco companies would love to charge you for whatever you access and that it was not covered on your plan. |
| 12:41.02 | Lithdk | Oh this is not a monthly bill company. I set up an account, pay a fee for that and then I choose a plan (or no plan) and I just put up money whenever my account reaches 0 |
| 12:41.28 | psycho_oreos | So it sort of works like a pre-paid SIM I guess. |
| 12:41.40 | Lithdk | My brother uses his phone so little he doesnt use any plan and basically pays less than 2$ a month, so he just put up 500$ and he's good for a while |
| 12:41.43 | Lithdk | yeah |
| 12:42.34 | psycho_oreos | That's not too bad, then I guess in your case you have $50 to use on whatever you want, maybe even internet from your N900. |
| 12:42.56 | Lithdk | indeed. So Im gonna get rootsh and cssu. I just go to the maemo.org and click on the install buttons, yeah? |
| 12:44.03 | psycho_oreos | Did you flash your N900 yet? if not maybe you can take a peek around what the seller may have left (if you want) and then flash it before installing CSSU. This way you start with virtually a "clean slate". |
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| 12:44.24 | Lithdk | yeah but it seems like he has left nothing. |
| 12:44.38 | Lithdk | Also I had to set locale, time and date so I dont think he did anything to it tbh |
| 12:44.59 | Lithdk | I've looked around. Want me to ls something? |
| 12:45.15 | psycho_oreos | Then I guess you could use mass storage mode, and on PC, dd the N900's exported partition and dump it on PC. Run filecarver or something >:D |
| 12:46.05 | psycho_oreos | Of course you'll need 29+GB of space. 29GB for the dd'ed image and filecarver in case anything crops up. |
| 12:46.22 | Lithdk | doesnt DD delete everything in a partition? |
| 12:46.41 | psycho_oreos | Yes, it all depends on how you use it. There's an in file and a out file. |
| 12:47.51 | psycho_oreos | Say if you "dd if=/dev/sdb of=~/dump.img", it'll dump the contents of /dev/sdb into ~/dump.img. If you "dd if=~/dump.img of=/dev/sdb" it will do the opposite. |
| 12:48.19 | psycho_oreos | The in and out file makes the judgement as to what dd ultimately does. |
| 12:48.38 | Lithdk | Arh |
| 12:49.39 | psycho_oreos | /dev/zero = zero output.. do that with dd and you'll be dumping zeroes, /dev/urandom = random (entropy) output.. do that with dd and you'll be dumping random stuff. |
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| 12:50.21 | psycho_oreos | Nice handy devfs stuff, handy for many things. |
| 12:50.45 | psycho_oreos | /dev/null -> null output or nothing.. goes into bottomless "black hole". |
| 12:50.51 | Lithdk | sudo gainroot "enable RD mode if you want to break your device" ? |
| 12:51.16 | psycho_oreos | Yeah that's one way of enabling root access, but the other is installing rootsh iinm. |
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| 12:51.57 | Lithdk | yeah but what is RD mode? |
| 12:52.09 | psycho_oreos | I wouldn't recommend enabling R&D mode for everyday use, but if you want to experiment or if you (like me) want to see fancy stuff, you can leave R&D mode on. |
| 12:52.55 | psycho_oreos | Research and Development, makes the system be more verbose. From using keyboard LED lights to tell you which part of the PCB chipset is busy or not and more verbose output at nokia boot screen. |
| 12:53.28 | Lithdk | arh |
| 12:53.31 | kerio | did anyone try airbase-ng yet? |
| 12:53.31 | psycho_oreos | It has to be enabled via flasher (and iinm linux only). |
| 12:53.56 | psycho_oreos | kerio, I believe someone did when trying to get AP mode on N900. |
| 12:54.25 | psycho_oreos | I can't quite remember the handle though. |
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| 12:54.47 | Lithdk | the rootsh app on maemo.org says it doesnt need R&D mode, and I think I've installed it |
| 12:55.28 | psycho_oreos | If you have installed it, then simply typing "root" into X-Terminal should give you root prompt. Though yes you don't need R&D mode enabled to install rootsh, hence that's what rootsh is for. |
| 12:56.00 | psycho_oreos | Err for enabling root console, not for enabling R&D mode. |
| 12:56.04 | Lithdk | Ooooh. I thought clicking the "install" on maemo.org via the webbrowser was enough to install the program |
| 12:56.14 | Lithdk | appears I have to go into the application manager |
| 12:56.43 | psycho_oreos | Yup, and normally in Application Manager will tell you that you have chosen to install foo. |
| 12:57.09 | psycho_oreos | Application Manager is also known as HAM (which is short for Hildon Application Manager). |
| 12:57.37 | Lithdk | So have to I install cssu? I clicked the install button on maemo.org for the stable same way I did with roothsh, so it's probably not installed |
| 12:57.59 | Lithdk | how do I* |
| 12:58.50 | psycho_oreos | I think installing CSSU from the website requires you in HAM to enable that repository. Once you accept it, you will need to tell HAM to update (though HAM should tell you if there's newer updates available by then). |
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| 12:59.37 | psycho_oreos | grabs his N900 to check exactly what Install does for rootsh from website. |
| 13:00.07 | Lithdk | Things are so much simpler with apt-get |
| 13:01.01 | psycho_oreos | Yeah you could also do it with apt-get for packages like rootsh. Not for CSSU though as it has its own repository, and its own list of files that HAM needs to install. Besides HAM is the recommended way of updating CSSU. |
| 13:01.30 | kerio | psycho_oreos: rootsh is an awful package |
| 13:01.43 | kerio | if it was uploaded nowadays, the maintainer would be shot |
| 13:01.53 | psycho_oreos | kerio, so is there a better alternative? :) |
| 13:02.15 | kerio | ...alternative for what? |
| 13:02.20 | kerio | having root? |
| 13:02.28 | kerio | installing openssh will make you add a password |
| 13:02.28 | psycho_oreos | rootsh of course. Or root console. |
| 13:02.30 | kerio | for root |
| 13:02.42 | kerio | at that point you can just ssh root@localhost |
| 13:02.46 | psycho_oreos | Hmm true. |
| 13:02.52 | kerio | then set your sudoers file maybe |
| 13:03.37 | kerio | *a* sudoers file |
| 13:03.42 | kerio | in /etc/sudoers.d/ |
| 13:03.47 | kerio | then run update-sudoers |
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| 13:04.22 | psycho_oreos | What if the user doesn't want openSSH? :D |
| 13:04.56 | kerio | mmh |
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| 13:05.24 | psycho_oreos | I can agree rootsh is an ugly hack, no doubt but it doesn't have that extra bulk. |
| 13:06.39 | psycho_oreos | I also recall catorise-plus requires rootsh package. It depends on root binary. |
| 13:06.51 | kerio | that's a whole another bag of bullshit |
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| 13:07.09 | kerio | piping commands to a shellscript is ***NOT*** how you're supposed to do stuff |
| 13:07.28 | kerio | add your own file in sudoers.d for the commands you need to run as root |
| 13:07.49 | kerio | don't rely on a security flaw introduced by a badly-packaged piece of crap |
| 13:08.29 | psycho_oreos | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.45 | psycho_oreos | Heh, nonetheless there's no new maintainers for catoriseplus. |
| 13:09.11 | Lithdk | found a video guide on installing CSSU |
| 13:10.40 | Lithdk | exclamation marks flashing next to battery? |
| 13:11.11 | psycho_oreos | I think you are referring to those yellow coloured square box with exclamation mark inside? |
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| 13:11.57 | Lithdk | yeah |
| 13:12.02 | jaska | giggles at piping commands to root |
| 13:12.12 | Lithdk | I think it's just there when running commands |
| 13:12.48 | kerio | besides, rootsh violates maemo invariants |
| 13:12.54 | psycho_oreos | That's to tell you there's updates available. You can see it from the drop down menu. Once you click on the new updates in the drop down menu it'll launch Application Manager which will then prompt you the rest of update process. |
| 13:13.10 | Lithdk | aha |
| 13:13.14 | kerio | namely, that sudo gainroot will check for rdmode |
| 13:13.37 | psycho_oreos | doesn't know what other programs also pipes command to root. catoriseplus is one of them already |
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| 13:20.35 | Lithdk | opera mobile from maemo vs the standard web browser that ships with the phone |
| 13:38.28 | LjL-Alps | is my impression accurate, that on Maemo any package you install can do basically anything it likes on the system by just being root, without even having to inform the user? i guess if so, that's "open" but very different from how other mobile OS handle security... |
| 13:51.54 | Lava_Croft | because having to click through a dialog window is security |
| 13:52.44 | SpeedEvil | LjL-Alps: basically |
| 13:53.09 | SpeedEvil | Maemo security is generally in principle that the apps are usually open source |
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| 13:54.01 | SpeedEvil | It is unfortunately not adequate for mass distribution - without at least employing someone to actually vet the code. |
| 13:54.32 | SpeedEvil | There weren't any major problems basically as nobody tried to do anything very naughty. |
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| 14:05.14 | Lithdk | :P This phone is awesome |
| 14:06.24 | Lithdk | Been using it as a remote for my TV now, from 3 meters distance. Considering going down to a TV store and go crazy |
| 14:07.04 | Lava_Croft | welcome to the 90s! |
| 14:07.08 | Lava_Croft | when you had watches with IR |
| 14:07.31 | Lithdk | :P I didn't have that in the 90's |
| 14:08.27 | Lithdk | although there seems to be a problem with the camera after I installed MBarcode. If I dont open the camera in the right sequence it wont focus |
| 14:09.09 | Lava_Croft | http://maemo.org/packages/view/cl-launcher/ |
| 14:09.10 | Lava_Croft | i use that |
| 14:09.18 | Lava_Croft | open lens hatch -> select app to use |
| 14:09.33 | Lava_Croft | n900 has two-state camera button |
| 14:09.38 | Lava_Croft | half-press it to focus |
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| 14:10.33 | Lithdk | Knew about the two-state button but nifty app there |
| 14:11.06 | Sourav | kerio: hi |
| 14:11.20 | kerio | 'lo |
| 14:11.21 | quackquack | pali |
| 14:11.24 | quackquack | oh |
| 14:11.27 | quackquack | not online |
| 14:13.04 | Sourav | kerio I did battery calbration as told by Pali but now everytime it displays 50% even when I charged 5 min ago |
| 14:13.13 | kerio | \_o_/ |
| 14:13.22 | kerio | let's try something |
| 14:13.30 | kerio | sudo modprobe -r rx51-battery |
| 14:13.31 | Sourav | ya |
| 14:15.03 | Sourav | did it |
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| 14:18.09 | quackquack | hi Pali |
| 14:18.18 | quackquack | i was looking for you. |
| 14:18.53 | Pali | hi |
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| 14:19.17 | quackquack | can you check your pm Pali |
| 14:20.23 | Pali | ~seen brkn |
| 14:20.27 | infobot | brkn <~brkn@HSI-KBW-149-172-254-42.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 80d 18h 19m 48s ago, saying: 'ping received xD'. |
| 14:20.38 | Pali | ~seen brkn_away |
| 14:20.38 | infobot | Pali: i haven't seen 'brkn_away' |
| 14:20.43 | Pali | ~seen brknaway |
| 14:20.43 | infobot | Pali: i haven't seen 'brknaway' |
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| 14:22.38 | Lava_Croft | hah, second modprobe -r rx51-battery of the day |
| 14:22.53 | Sourav | yep |
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| 14:27.59 | ccxCZ | what do I need to do to build stuff for N900? I want to install mpd on it |
| 14:31.56 | LjL-Alps | Lava_Croft, Android's security isn't stellar if that's what you're referring to, but at least, given apps can't really have root easily, you can't, say, physically damage the device or other "huge" things, and furthermore, while the "permissions dialog" is just a dialog, the permissions themselves can, if one is so inclined, be modified to actually prevent apps from doing stuff |
| 14:33.02 | LjL-Alps | and Android aside, other mobile OS's have stricter security systems, sometimes *too* strict in my opinion, but as SpeedEvil says, i'm not sure something like Maemo's system could work for "mass distribution". most apps are open source, sure, but those that are not could do anything |
| 14:34.37 | SpeedEvil | Something like Aegis is probably the right way. But not with the same policy. |
| 14:34.38 | Lava_Croft | well, the n900 was never meant as a mass-market device anyway:) |
| 14:34.49 | SpeedEvil | For example - one nokia repo with the existing permissions - fine. |
| 14:34.54 | Lava_Croft | yeah, Aegis-like is the way to go |
| 14:35.06 | SpeedEvil | But a 'community' repo with similar permissions. |
| 14:35.17 | SpeedEvil | And the option to install programs locally. |
| 14:35.54 | jaska | and 100% owner override. |
| 14:36.09 | SpeedEvil | Androids main problem security wise - well - one of them - is that almost every single app wants internet permission to show ads. |
| 14:36.35 | SpeedEvil | So 5/6 of the top calculator apps have all the permissions needed to start scanning your network at 3AM and spamming. |
| 14:36.38 | LjL-Alps | heh yeah |
| 14:38.04 | LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil, i think i still don't have it clear what Aegis is and does. apparently it's something that checks that the source code's abilities somehow "match" the binary's abilities? but then what about closed source programs? to me, the sanest thing seems to be something like Android *but* with permissiosn that can actually be *set* by the user |
| 14:38.35 | SpeedEvil | A couple of parts. |
| 14:38.36 | jaska | hmm.. some android mod distro has that |
| 14:38.42 | jaska | i mean, user control over perm |
| 14:38.54 | SpeedEvil | Aegis has a manifest - which is automatically generated at build time (mostly). |
| 14:38.55 | jaska | i forget what its name is.. dont use android outside work |
| 14:39.35 | SpeedEvil | This means that all the things the app can do are listed in the manifest. If it tries to do something not in the manifest - you get an error. |
| 14:39.44 | LjL-Alps | jaska: yes, CyanogenMod can do that (i have it installed), however, since that's not "standard" in Android, many apps react badly to denied permissions, and crash |
| 14:40.09 | SpeedEvil | The second part of aegis is various kernel mods to do stuff like signature verification, secure storage, and keeping track of the system calls a aprocess is permitted. |
| 14:40.10 | LjL-Alps | jaska: now there is some new thing, apparently, that just requires root and can sneakily deny permissions by giving apps fake data. a bit hackish, but probably effective |
| 14:40.10 | jaska | i guess one could make mock permissions :) |
| 14:40.17 | jaska | yeah |
| 14:40.28 | LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: hm that sounds like Android except with the manifest being generated automatically |
| 14:40.47 | SpeedEvil | LjL-Alps: To a degree, yes. With somewhat different design choices. |
| 14:41.14 | SpeedEvil | LjL-Alps: And hte limits being a the kernel level - as it's running native code - not the JVM level |
| 14:41.34 | SpeedEvil | doesn't understand how NDK code works on android. |
| 14:41.41 | LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: i guess generating the manifest automatically could let them use more granularity without making it a chore for the developer. but with too much granularity, what happens when the user has to click "ok" to a 10-pages-long dialog? actually, how is the user dealt with by Aegis? |
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| 14:42.04 | SpeedEvil | That part falls over. |
| 14:42.16 | SpeedEvil | The user basically gets a capability list, and can accept or not. |
| 14:42.19 | LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: me neither, but let's just ignore the fact NDK apps can probably bypass permissions, and concentrate on how it's *supposed* to be :P |
| 14:42.47 | LjL-Alps | again same as Android then |
| 14:42.47 | SpeedEvil | There is no way for the user to block certain permissions - or explanation behind those permissions. |
| 14:43.05 | SpeedEvil | If you're going to use something like Aegis - you need to back it up with app scrutiny. |
| 14:43.42 | SpeedEvil | If, for example, you don't mention on your intro page - or feature list that you need GPS - and you request GPS permission - denied. |
| 14:44.26 | SpeedEvil | If you require internet permission (which should be seprate from ad permission) - and there is no reason for it - denied. |
| 14:44.28 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 14:44.58 | LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: yeah well i don't really like centralized app scrutiny (Symbian or iOS style) though. but i think with Android (and probably Aegis?), even making it compulsory to have a, say, 30-words natural language explanation for each capability required would go a long way towards user awareness |
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| 14:45.32 | LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: or it could be made community-based, like the community would "mark" apps as "worrisome" if they ask for some permissions they don't justify adequately |
| 14:45.35 | SpeedEvil | Centralised app scrutiny - with the ability to install your own apps from files without limits - or the abiloity to add community repos |
| 14:45.55 | SpeedEvil | Or it works like extras does - with sane people looking at the apps and promoting them. |
| 14:46.24 | SpeedEvil | I think I approved >100 apps - then I kinda stalled. |
| 14:46.40 | SpeedEvil | (For extras) |
| 14:46.42 | LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: although... it's easy to request many permissions for "legitimate" reasons (i want your contacts SO I CAN ADD THEM!, i want your sms SO I CAN AUTOMATE SOME THINGS!, i want internet BUT JUST FOR ADS!), and then sneakily *also* use them for less obvious reasons, and how are we going to deal with that if we don't get source code? ever? |
| 14:46.51 | SpeedEvil | (Well, upvoted, not technically approved) |
| 14:47.02 | SpeedEvil | I agree, that's an issue. |
| 14:47.08 | SpeedEvil | And you do what you can. |
| 14:47.10 | LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: yeah that's a sort of community thing like i was describing - but in Maemo's case, it worked based on open source |
| 14:48.39 | SpeedEvil | The right solution has intelligent people that will scrutinise the sourcecode of an app, and generate a report, add it to the main repo - or not - and throw a copy in 'bad' repo too. |
| 14:48.49 | SpeedEvil | But that unfortunately requires a prohibitive amount of funding |
| 14:49.32 | LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: i think one way i'd like would be 1) asking the user about things granularly ("this app wants to connect to the internet. let it? [x] Remember this choice") 2) and since the "remember this choice" has to be there for practical reasons, the ability to LOOK AT LOGS, i.e. the user should be able to see a well-presented summary of what apps connected to and what SMS they sent and what they generally did |
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| 14:51.26 | SpeedEvil | Quite. |
| 14:51.32 | SpeedEvil | This gets hard though. |
| 14:51.47 | SpeedEvil | For example - you want to seperate 'internet' from 'same origin' probably. |
| 14:52.15 | SpeedEvil | I care lots less about a process that can't read my files connecting the owners server than connecting to the general interent |
| 14:54.01 | LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: not sure it's what you're saying, but this reminds me, there's also issues of combined permissions. can read my contacts? that's fine, since you can't connect to the internet to send them anywhere. can connect to the internet? that's fine since you can't read my contacts. hehe and now i'm thinking about some crazy stuff like in-app "namespace separation" (for lack of a better term) |
| 14:54.21 | LjL-Alps | as in, you can read my contacts, *and* you can connect to the internet, but you can't start using an internet-related call with contacts-related parameters |
| 14:54.33 | LjL-Alps | at this point i'm just imagining things though |
| 14:54.55 | SpeedEvil | That gets almost prohibitively hard. |
| 14:55.12 | LjL-Alps | yeah, probably |
| 14:55.23 | SpeedEvil | Trying to secure data between halves of a process, when the process wants them is an almost impossible thing. |
| 14:56.40 | LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: well when you think of it as a single process being denied access to its own data - i agree it's not feasible. but usually, with these mobile things, the way it's been done is to change the model. like, on Android, to let me multitask "sanely", developers have had to separate the foreground part to the service/background part |
| 14:56.57 | sourav | luke-Jr you also reported the same thing |
| 14:57.34 | SpeedEvil | LjL-Alps: Not quite that - even if the processes are nominally seperate 'processes' - they are still the same app - written by the same developer. Trying to stop them sharing data is hard. |
| 14:57.39 | LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: so maybe several threads, or even completely separate processes that can only intercommunicate through narrowly controlled channels, could each have access to some resources but not others |
| 14:57.56 | LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: hmm |
| 14:58.12 | SpeedEvil | LjL-Alps: For example, if you can monitor CPU usage, or RAM usage - that's a trivial leak |
| 14:58.22 | SpeedEvil | It may be a slow way to ttransfer data, but it works |
| 14:59.08 | SpeedEvil | The national grid in the UK reports generation capacity on a megawatt resolution at 5 min intervals. |
| 14:59.28 | SpeedEvil | I can, with a kettle, and enough time - send signals through this |
| 15:01.41 | LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: you have a point. still, one way or another, i'm convinced on mobile devices, a much higher degree of data isolation is required (even though sure, if you're one developer it's easier for you to make two of your apps talk, so that's a slightly different case). |
| 15:02.05 | LjL-Alps | in any case, even though we might not like being denied access to some data file from a given app because it's not its files... this sort of thing is necessary in my opinion |
| 15:02.24 | SpeedEvil | If it's the users decision |
| 15:02.28 | LjL-Alps | i'm sure it could be handled much better (as in, less obnoxious) than Android or other guys do, though |
| 15:02.35 | SpeedEvil | Files gfoing away is retarded. |
| 15:02.55 | LjL-Alps | hm? |
| 15:03.22 | SpeedEvil | App A saves file. |
| 15:03.40 | SpeedEvil | The only way to get that file into app B is to upload it to online sharing service and redownload |
| 15:03.56 | LjL-Alps | ah that's totally idiotic |
| 15:04.18 | LjL-Alps | i guess the problem is, these genuine security concerns get mixed with control-over-the-user and DRM "concerns" |
| 15:04.34 | LjL-Alps | so while you could easily offer a regulated "Export to app B" standard feature, you don't because PIRACY |
| 15:04.42 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
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| 15:08.21 | Lava_Croft | most evil is ovi store on harmattan |
| 15:08.37 | Lava_Croft | where after downloading an app you bought 10 times, you are out of 'luck' |
| 15:08.41 | Lava_Croft | er |
| 15:08.48 | Lava_Croft | downloading it 10 times, after you bought it |
| 15:08.58 | Lava_Croft | the 11th download requires to re-purchase |
| 15:10.51 | SpeedEvil | Quite. |
| 15:10.52 | LjL-Alps | ugh |
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| 15:21.51 | psycho_oreos | No DRM is as insane as sony's SCMS. |
| 15:22.14 | Lava_Croft | have you used a nokia 5510 |
| 15:22.30 | Lava_Croft | it had drm that required to convert my mp3 files to files of a different type, with the exact same size |
| 15:22.37 | Lava_Croft | o_O |
| 15:22.51 | psycho_oreos | No, but n95-1 gave me the ********. |
| 15:23.34 | Lava_Croft | rawr |
| 15:23.34 | Lava_Croft | ftp://ftp2.nix.ru/download/drivers/only_from_www.nix.ru/telephon/nokia/5510/5510_audiomanager_en.pdf |
| 15:23.38 | psycho_oreos | Everything had to be signed, everything. Even if you disable checking, a program cannot be installed without a certificate. |
| 15:23.48 | Lava_Croft | oh man, it needs a 266mhz pentium cpu |
| 15:23.51 | Lava_Croft | good times |
| 15:23.59 | Lava_Croft | ouch |
| 15:24.28 | Lava_Croft | ah, LockStream |
| 15:24.31 | Lava_Croft | that was the 5510 drm |
| 15:25.07 | Lava_Croft | it was a really good system, you would get mp3's off the internet and the nokia DRM magic would convert them |
| 15:25.17 | Lava_Croft | no clue why, since it didnt work as you expect DRM to work anyway |
| 15:25.28 | Lava_Croft | i guess the idea was to be unable to convert em back to mp3/aac |
| 15:27.35 | psycho_oreos | You can still rip music at 1x rate even if they won't allow you to convert it through quicker means. This whole thing reminds me similar to how NetMD worked, alas NetMD was just a walkman type recorder/player that plays MD instead. |
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| 15:28.55 | psycho_oreos | If you had to reinstall your windows when you have ripped music through OpenMG, you would no longer be able to play them. Importing them back from NetMD? for each track you do, the program automatically erases that track without giving you the song back. Do that to the entire disc? disc is wiped clean. |
| 15:29.42 | psycho_oreos | Very effective indeed. Effective enough to piss users off including a self-named DJ. |
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| 15:31.03 | psycho_oreos | The case here with LockStream is remarkably similar. |
| 15:37.40 | psycho_oreos | hehe, a measly 64MB phone. Probably enough to fit around an audio disc or two before the memory is filled up. |
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| 16:10.14 | Sourav | anyone can I revert back to nokia-bme |
| 16:14.33 | Lava_Croft | psycho_oreos: at audio casette quality, yes |
| 16:16.13 | psycho_oreos | Lava_Croft, better that than none :) |
| 16:16.43 | Lava_Croft | hence why i got the 5510:) |
| 16:16.49 | psycho_oreos | Oh wait you mean for 64MB storage, heh yeah.. though you can't fit much at good quality. |
| 16:17.08 | Lava_Croft | n900 is 96gb in total |
| 16:17.10 | Lava_Croft | all flac <3 |
| 16:17.49 | psycho_oreos | I personally would hate to own one. NetMD ordeal has made me loathe Sory for eternity. |
| 16:19.20 | psycho_oreos | That sorta makes me wonder if its possible to swap out the eMMC for 64GB variant. There was a guy pondering about it on TMO (or rather a wishful thought), though I recall these limitations maybe hardcoded into the firmware/X-Loader or something. |
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| 16:21.05 | psycho_oreos | I also love how a directory appears in lost+found/: s--DiadAcjI----- ./#989802 |
| 16:21.53 | ecc3g | if it's nothing you want, you can delete it... |
| 16:22.06 | ecc3g | if you can't delete it, it needs to be fscked again. |
| 16:23.00 | ecc3g | if it still cant be deleted... uh oh. |
| 16:23.59 | kerio | Sourav: eeh, it should work |
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| 16:25.31 | Lava_Croft | modprobe -r didnt work for him? |
| 16:26.02 | psycho_oreos | ecc3g, I've tried fscking it about 2-3 times. In the end I used chattr on it and removed it. Now I have another file with all these exotic attr "tags". |
| 16:29.18 | r00t^home | psycho_oreos: yay for random filesystem metadata... |
| 16:30.01 | r00t^home | ever entered 'ls' and got a screen full of funny colored gibberish instead of the expected file listing? |
| 16:32.01 | psycho_oreos | haha, I think I may have seen something similar. |
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| 16:32.53 | psycho_oreos | Files with excessively large size, files with weird names that doesn't make sense, etc. |
| 16:34.22 | Lava_Croft | isnt that windows territory |
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| 16:38.19 | psycho_oreos | Isn't what is windows territory? what I said or what r00t^home said? |
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| 16:39.11 | psycho_oreos | decides to shift storage to google drive (LOL). |
| 16:40.31 | Lava_Croft | weird filenames |
| 16:40.35 | Lava_Croft | filesystem borkedness |
| 16:43.13 | psycho_oreos | I think I have had similar experiences under linux so I wouldn't really say its windows specific :) |
| 16:44.25 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 16:44.32 | Lava_Croft | yeah but you arent supposed to talk bad about linux |
| 16:44.42 | Lava_Croft | the rule is that you talk bad about windows so you dont have to fix linux problems |
| 16:44.45 | Lava_Croft | dont ruin it now |
| 16:44.52 | Lava_Croft | chuckles |
| 16:45.09 | psycho_oreos | Haha yes, linux is *so perfect* :P |
| 16:45.33 | Lava_Croft | no its not, but the rest is less perfect!~ |
| 16:45.41 | Lava_Croft | (linux user logic) |
| 16:45.51 | Lava_Croft | ok, linux nerd logic |
| 16:45.56 | Lava_Croft | linux users arent that bad:) |
| 16:46.09 | psycho_oreos | More like biased linux logic :p |
| 16:46.27 | Lava_Croft | thats what the linux world is made up of, mostly |
| 16:46.28 | Lava_Croft | bias:) |
| 16:46.50 | Lava_Croft | they are much closer to applefans than they would want:) |
| 16:47.11 | psycho_oreos | No that's what the entire human population is based on. "biasness". |
| 16:47.14 | Lava_Croft | windows users just possible cant be like that, given how windows is |
| 16:47.16 | Lava_Croft | and they know it |
| 16:47.28 | Lava_Croft | you cant keep your eyes dry and windows rocks because X or Y |
| 16:47.32 | Lava_Croft | and say* |
| 16:48.43 | psycho_oreos | Yes when one gets emotional that can happen lol. |
| 16:49.23 | psycho_oreos | is starting to sound a bit like "bit" from Tron (the movie). |
| 16:50.58 | quackquack | apple? |
| 16:51.01 | quackquack | oh no. |
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| 17:09.13 | Lithdk | Anyone got any experience with BlueMaemo? |
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| 17:17.28 | Lava_Croft | sometimes i want to smack my n9 for its horrible onscreen keyboard |
| 17:17.38 | Lava_Croft | but just before i crack open the shell, i realize this is still the best onscreen keyboard |
| 17:17.42 | Lava_Croft | and i stroke it |
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| 17:25.13 | Lithdk | lol |
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| 17:26.10 | Lithdk | After I installed opera the stock browser wont open. It loads and then just goes to desktop. |
| 17:26.35 | Lava_Croft | unrelated |
| 17:26.40 | Lava_Croft | they have nothing to do with each other |
| 17:27.07 | Lithdk | Probably just need to reboot |
| 17:28.28 | Lithdk | and Halleluja it's working again |
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| 17:35.48 | Lithdk | I so need a wireless router so I can make love to my 60/60 connection |
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| 18:44.19 | brolin_empey | Lithdk: If you use Windows 7 or later, you can use Connectify Lite to create a software Wireless LAN Access Point. |
| 18:44.41 | Lithdk | Im on linux mint |
| 18:45.30 | Lithdk | But I have no means of connecting wirelessly to my computer from my phone either, gonna go get a bluetooth dongle for it tommorow, and maybe a wireless router |
| 18:45.58 | brolin_empey | Lithdk: On GNU/Linux, you can use hostapd to create a software Wireless LAN Access Point. |
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| 18:51.55 | Lithdk | @brolin_empey to use either of those my computer needs a wireless adapter and mine doesn't have that as it's a stationary. Could set it up on my laptop though, but still need to run a cable to my laptop then as I dont have wireless in my apartment. |
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| 18:56.14 | _jester_ | hello world |
| 18:57.06 | Apic | Hi Outer Space. |
| 19:02.09 | _jester_ | and immediatly im recognized as an alien |
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| 19:02.13 | _jester_ | this is not a good disguise |
| 19:02.42 | quackquack | live long and prosper. |
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| 19:09.25 | brolin_empey | Pali: I have finally patched dm9601.c to backport all of the product entries added since the 2.6.28 kernel. How should I run diff to create a patch file? I mean which diff options do you prefer? |
| 19:10.52 | brolin_empey | Lithdk: So get a Wireless LAN adapter for your desktop computer. |
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| 19:12.47 | Lithdk | Would just be easier to get a wireless router. That way I can use my laptop too and my friends dont have to bring their own ethernet cables |
| 19:15.12 | brolin_empey | Lithdk: If you get a USB Wireless LAN adapter, you can mount it as high as possible to increase the Wireless LAN coverage. |
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| 19:15.55 | Lithdk | uhh intriguing |
| 19:16.08 | Lithdk | gotta look into that, thanks for the advise |
| 19:17.25 | kerio | Lithdk: buy a router from mikrotik, they're good |
| 19:18.19 | brolin_empey | Lithdk: What type of Internetwork connectivity does your apartment have? DSL or coaxial cable? |
| 19:19.33 | Lithdk | sec :P let me research that |
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| 19:20.30 | Lithdk | they call it "fiber" |
| 19:20.44 | Lithdk | 60 up and 60 down |
| 19:20.58 | kerio | so... a black box with an ethernet cable coming out of it? |
| 19:21.06 | Lithdk | white box but yea |
| 19:21.13 | kerio | cool, you don't even need an integrated modem in your router |
| 19:21.22 | kerio | black doesn't really refer to the color |
| 19:21.27 | kerio | rather, to its secretiveness |
| 19:21.47 | Lithdk | Aha |
| 19:22.26 | Lithdk | I just need a router that has wifi and can run those high speeds |
| 19:22.30 | kerio | anyway, get something from mikrotik or something that runs openwrt fine |
| 19:22.46 | brolin_empey | Lithdk: Is your desktop computer connected directly to the Ethernet port on your white box? |
| 19:22.57 | Lithdk | Ye |
| 19:22.59 | kerio | jesus, i expect my router to push much, much more than 60mbits |
| 19:23.18 | kerio | how are you going to transfer data to and from your NAS? |
| 19:24.00 | Lithdk | I dont have a NAS |
| 19:24.10 | Lithdk | I do have a old school switchbox however when friends come over |
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| 19:26.10 | brolin_empey | Lithdk: If you got an Ethernet switch, a Wireless LAN adapter, and an Ethernet adapter, you could use your desktop computer as both a wired gateway for your wired LAN and as a Wireless LAN Access Point. |
| 19:26.27 | kerio | don't be silly |
| 19:26.47 | Lithdk | Or I could get a router with wireless, printer output and a 1TB HDD |
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| 19:29.18 | kerio | Lithdk: http://routerboard.com/RB951G-2HnD |
| 19:29.19 | kerio | mah |
| 19:29.32 | kerio | get a dreamplug and a 1tb hdd instead! |
| 19:31.14 | brolin_empey | Lithdk: Or you could get a computer printer with Ethernet connectivity so you do not need a separate print server. |
| 19:32.38 | kerio | and you have to keep a computer on at all times |
| 19:32.51 | Lithdk | Already have a printer, no ethernet connectivity |
| 19:33.16 | Lithdk | Just USB, so the 1 USB in that link isn't gonna suffice if I also need a storage server |
| 19:34.20 | Lithdk | Im actually pretty satisfied with this phone, though the kickstand sucks |
| 19:37.26 | brolin_empey | has a 2-TB 2.5-inch HDD. Not 3.5-inch. 2.5-inch drives need only 5 volts so they can be used as a bus-powered USB Mass Storage device. |
| 19:38.17 | Lithdk | wouldnt running "echo 30 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness" change the swappiness of my device? |
| 19:38.20 | Lithdk | as root |
| 19:39.32 | brolin_empey | Lithdk: You can use an external USB hub if the root USB hub has only 1 external port. |
| 19:39.46 | Lithdk | Oh yeah |
| 19:42.51 | Lava_Croft | Lithdk: swappolube |
| 19:43.09 | Lava_Croft | handy ui for the swap settings, it has a wiki page i guess |
| 19:43.40 | Lithdk | Yeah I just figured it out. Some guy on the forum just told me to run the command as root. I dont use swap on my own PC, has tons of ram, so just needed to research it |
| 19:49.52 | Lava_Croft | i have swap on microsd card |
| 19:49.58 | Lava_Croft | and use flopswap |
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| 19:53.22 | Lithdk | Anyone has any links on microSDHC card for n900 I have to read before buying one? |
| 19:54.16 | Lava_Croft | http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap |
| 19:54.24 | Lava_Croft | I think flopswap is the best solution for end users |
| 19:55.41 | Lava_Croft | im an end user myself, so hah |
| 19:56.24 | Lithdk | 40 euro for a 32g microSDHC class 4? |
| 19:56.31 | Lava_Croft | could be |
| 19:56.37 | Lava_Croft | i have a 64gb one that i dug up somewhere |
| 19:56.45 | Lava_Croft | no clue what it cost |
| 19:57.24 | Lithdk | aha |
| 19:57.35 | Lava_Croft | higher class cards are faster i guess, meaning swap on sd might perform faster |
| 19:57.44 | Lava_Croft | but i have no clue if this is actually noticable |
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| 19:59.00 | Lithdk | flopswap seems pretty easy to use |
| 19:59.24 | Lithdk | I just read that a lot of manufactorers are blurring out the line between class 4 and 10 |
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| 20:03.49 | Lithdk | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/14/summer-michelle-hansen-charged-teacher-sex_n_3754716.html |
| 20:04.27 | sixwheeledbeast | Lava_Croft: I think so too. It is designed for "end-users" |
| 20:05.23 | sixwheeledbeast | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Memory_Cards |
| 20:06.37 | sixwheeledbeast | Generally people have seen better speeds from small cards. Well for swap use anyway, it the random write speed that's important. |
| 20:06.59 | Lava_Croft | i guess in the end you barely notice any difference |
| 20:07.00 | Lava_Croft | in normal uyse |
| 20:07.03 | Lava_Croft | use* |
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| 20:47.56 | Lithdk | haha I just discovered that I have used around 100 dollars on internet on my mobile because I dont have a data plan yet. I've just gone crazy thinking that 35 dollars would last a while, but my phone company has my credit card info and "refuels" whenever I reach 0 |
| 20:48.09 | Lithdk | 100 dollars in the span off 2 hours actually |
| 20:58.15 | SpeedEvil | cell phone companies are bastards |
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| 21:05.05 | bennypr0fane | hello, I need some help using rescueos, where do I need to put the 2.6.37 and rescueos .img files so flasher can load them? |
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| 21:17.28 | amospalla | bennypr0fane: where you want |
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| 21:22.42 | bennypr0fane | amospalla, but then how would I load them? there is this flasher command in the rescueos documentation flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" |
| 21:22.56 | bennypr0fane | but it dioesn't have any reference to the location of rescueos |
| 21:23.20 | amospalla | bennypr0fane: specify it on the command line |
| 21:24.08 | bennypr0fane | also, there is no file "initrd.img |
| 21:24.41 | bennypr0fane | how is flasher supposed to find that? |
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| 21:26.06 | bennypr0fane | btw would you happen to know what the .sig files are for? |
| 21:29.37 | amospalla | flasher uses the file you specify to it, just specify it with the path, as you would do with any other command line command |
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| 21:43.02 | bennypr0fane | amospalla, ok, but what about that initrd.img? where is it, what to do with it? is it a part of flasher? |
| 21:55.41 | kerio | initrd.img is rescueOS-1.1.img |
| 21:55.43 | kerio | jeez |
| 21:56.08 | bennypr0fane | jeez what? I didn't know that, so what? |
| 21:56.23 | bennypr0fane | show me where I might have read that |
| 21:56.24 | kerio | you've got like two files |
| 21:56.34 | kerio | one is 2.6.37 and the other is a file ending in .img |
| 21:56.35 | bennypr0fane | jeez |
| 21:57.55 | bennypr0fane | nevermind. I was *guessing* that, yeah (and about to try it). what's the harm in asking for confirmation though? |
| 21:58.25 | bennypr0fane | everybody is not an IT-professional |
| 21:59.33 | brolin_empey | Pali: I have finally patched asix.c to backport almost all of the product entries added since the 2.6.28 kernel. How should I run diff to create a patch file? I mean which diff options do you prefer? |
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| 22:07.46 | bennypr0fane | I get a usb error: "USB device found found at bus 002, device address 012. Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted" |
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| 22:52.19 | brolin_empey | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=7070&group_id=1528&atid=5523 |
| 22:53.22 | brolin_empey | That is my first public patch for Maemo. |
| 22:54.04 | brolin_empey | Is the .patch file I submitted accessible? |
| 22:54.41 | brolin_empey | dm9601_backport_all_product_entries_added_to_mainline_kernel_as_of_2013-08-15.patch |
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| 23:51.41 | brolin_empey | My second public patch for Maemo: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=7071&group_id=1528&atid=5523 |
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| 23:52.43 | brolin_empey | freemangordon: Around? |
