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| 00:47.28 | Sysaxed | hmmmm |
| 00:47.41 | Sysaxed | so should I go with CSSU Thumb or not? |
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| 01:54.42 | Sysaxed | how to install cssu-thumb on fresh n900? Should I install normal cssu first? |
| 01:55.24 | Sysaxed | "The installation process is the same as other CSSU Flavours" |
| 01:55.46 | Sysaxed | "Once this is completed, close HAM and go into the applications menu. Tap the Community SSU icon. This will run through a series of scripts to ensure the community repository are set up. " |
| 01:55.49 | Sysaxed | and no community ssu |
| 01:55.52 | Sysaxed | oh wait |
| 01:55.55 | Sysaxed | here it is... |
| 01:55.57 | Sysaxed | -_- |
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| 02:43.55 | Sysaxed | can anybody show me their default /usr/sbin/mmc-mount file? |
| 02:46.23 | Sysaxed | anybody?... |
| 02:48.02 | Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: |
| 02:51.26 | ecc3g | looks like a lot of vfat stuff |
| 02:53.29 | Sysaxed | ... |
| 02:53.35 | Sysaxed | pastebin it? |
| 02:53.39 | Sysaxed | I have it corrupted, uh |
| 02:53.47 | bef0rd | why |
| 02:53.50 | ecc3g | http://maemo.net.vanade.com/mmc-mount |
| 02:53.57 | bef0rd | why don't you just reflash? |
| 02:54.32 | ecc3g | this has cssu installed (non-thumb) so dunno what got changed |
| 02:56.00 | Sysaxed | bef0rd: lol? |
| 02:56.18 | bef0rd | Sysaxed: or did you just reflash and corrupted it again? :P |
| 02:56.29 | Sysaxed | yes, but it doesn't really matter |
| 02:56.51 | Sysaxed | it just seems like this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71696 guide is not working for cssu-thumb |
| 02:59.02 | Sysaxed | well, that's what happens when you write stupid scripts instead of telling people what to do... |
| 02:59.29 | ecc3g | eh? |
| 02:59.30 | Sysaxed | and all what it does... pastes the contents of that file into a case statement |
| 02:59.39 | ecc3g | I write scripts, they tend to work? |
| 02:59.48 | Sysaxed | I said "stupid scripts" |
| 03:00.11 | ecc3g | I write stupid little scripts too, they tend to work? |
| 03:00.15 | Sysaxed | echo -e '#!/bin/sh\ncase "$(sfdisk -c $(echo $1 | cut -c1-12) $(echo $1 | cut -c14))" in\n 43|83)\n mount -t auto -o $3,noauto,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime "$1" "$2" > /dev/null\n ;;\n *)\n '$(cat /usr/sbin/mmc-mount)'\n ;;\nesac' > /usr/sbin |
| 03:01.09 | ecc3g | cutting and pasting random scripts can be dangerous, yes... |
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| 03:19.38 | qwerty123 | mtracker from devel gives dpkg error on uninstalling and dpkg --configure -a gives nothing! |
| 03:20.42 | qwerty123 | and gcc 4.6 takes 21 mb of rootfs!! is it okay?? |
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| 03:21.58 | qwerty123 | freemangordon : ^ |
| 03:21.59 | qwerty123 | ^ |
| 03:22.21 | bef0rd | yes |
| 03:22.22 | bef0rd | (?) |
| 03:22.44 | bef0rd | its not optified, so its going to take space in rootfs, if you really need it install it |
| 03:25.13 | psycho_oreos | GCC (along with the rest of the compiling/debugging etc tools) were never really designed to be installed on N900 itself. If one were to go about installing these, they should have at least the very common sense that it will instead (by default) install into rootfs because it assumes you are using scratchbox. |
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| 03:27.31 | qwerty123 | okay!! anyways i have enuf space left in rootfs !! :P but and havenot really cleared |
| 03:28.03 | qwerty123 | rootfs!! so is it okay if i optify gcc?? |
| 03:28.11 | psycho_oreos | s/ery/ery basic/ |
| 03:29.10 | psycho_oreos | You probably can optify, but you need to do it properly. |
| 03:30.29 | qwerty123 | yeah!! i have optified in past, but not realy touched gcc! i remember, microb optification had caused my vkb to just flash n browser unusable... |
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| 03:32.50 | qwerty123 | btw, using pidgin for irc!! takes less than 15 percent cpu wen in use!! n less than 3 percent wen idle!! |
| 03:33.25 | qwerty123 | only shoots to about 12 13 percent when send is pressed! |
| 03:34.53 | qwerty123 | and , yes one more problem!! with my latest cssu, my dbus daemon is takin much more cpu n time! i use dbus wid shortcutd bt its still more when not in use! |
| 03:35.45 | psycho_oreos | Also there's nothing known as mtracker, its known as mod-support (unless you went about installing other fancy stuff from -devel knowing full well they can cause undesired effects). |
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| 03:37.00 | qwerty123 | well, that was just a time tracker, more like stop watch stuff from devel. seemed prettyharmless, just uninstallation caused some errors!! |
| 03:38.08 | qwerty123 | it reported errors but its uninstalled now!! |
| 03:38.25 | qwerty123 | not in fapman atleast!! :) |
| 03:39.37 | psycho_oreos | If there were errors during either installation or removal of packages, dpkg keeps a record. It will be visible to a more knowledgeable person. |
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| 03:41.39 | qwerty123 | sorry!! not a knowledge person i am.. and fapman had cleared its log. so couldnot take a look at it.. |
| 03:45.18 | psycho_oreos | I said dpkg, not fapman. |
| 03:51.04 | psycho_oreos | IMHO, a more sane person wouldn't go about installing things without proper knowing what and why such entities are placed there. There are abundant CLI tools which not many people realise that GUI heavily depend on. Last but not least, its your own N900 you are free to do whatever you want with it (which even includes borking your own setup). |
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| 04:40.56 | Lava_Croft | http://www.informationweek.com/security/attacks/https-hackable-in-30-seconds-dhs-alert/240159435 |
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| 05:50.18 | freemangordon | Pali: hi. |
| 05:51.15 | freemangordon | Pali: I almost finished filling http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU_kernel_assess |
| 05:51.33 | Pali | freemangordon: hi, I got email from maemo wiki :-) |
| 05:51.41 | freemangordon | ooh, noce |
| 05:51.46 | Pali | so I saw changes :-) |
| 05:51.49 | freemangordon | *nice |
| 05:52.09 | freemangordon | Pali: but what remains are your patches |
| 05:52.14 | freemangordon | (and hostmode) |
| 05:52.39 | freemangordon | I can't remember what was decided about hostmode |
| 05:54.11 | freemangordon | Pali: BTW, in case you've missed it, fremantle autobuilder/package interface(promotion) works |
| 05:56.39 | Pali | I read it, nice :-) |
| 05:57.13 | Pali | patch nilfs2-2.0.18.diff: it can be enabled only adding nilfs kernel module |
| 05:57.24 | freemangordon | Pali: I know it is nice :P. Promote KP, KPS and all the others packages that were stuck ;) |
| 05:57.47 | Pali | patch option_disable_indicator_led.diff: can be enabled too it adding sysfs entry for disabling back camera led |
| 05:58.02 | freemangordon | Pali: hmm? |
| 05:58.11 | Pali | patch trig-keyb.diff: I do not know what that patch is... |
| 05:58.41 | freemangordon | just finish the table, there are 5 entries left |
| 05:58.44 | Pali | and wl1251 patches: it fixing monitor mode support, support for nl8021 stack |
| 05:59.10 | Pali | I have lot of other work now, so I edit them later... |
| 05:59.16 | freemangordon | sure |
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| 10:00.10 | Nun | hello |
| 10:00.44 | Nun | i want to know how to play mkv files on n900 |
| 10:03.26 | psycho_oreos | extra decoders support. |
| 10:05.53 | Nun | thank you but I installed it and it plays video with shuttering |
| 10:06.28 | Nun | do i need to use dsp profile ? |
| 10:06.36 | psycho_oreos | Maybe the quality is too high. |
| 10:06.58 | psycho_oreos | You can try but ymmv. |
| 10:08.07 | Nun | also there is package in cssu thumb providing support for mkv and flv but on installing it gave errors |
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| 12:07.25 | Sysaxed | is it safe to install stuff using apt-get instead of fapman or ham? |
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| 12:09.19 | psycho_oreos | Depends, in fair few cases no. |
| 12:10.00 | Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: in few cases like what? |
| 12:10.45 | Sysaxed | also https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:N900_The_Perfect_Setup suggests apt-pinning, and faster application manager said a few bad words about it |
| 12:11.18 | Sysaxed | so, is it fine to use fapman with apt-pinning? or should I use apt-pinning at all? |
| 12:15.07 | kerio | Sysaxed: if you have to ask, it's not safe |
| 12:16.02 | psycho_oreos | apt-get upgrade cases for instance. |
| 12:16.14 | Sysaxed | ok, but besides upgrade it should be fine? |
| 12:16.24 | Sysaxed | and what about other questions? :) |
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| 12:16.57 | kerio | fapman is less safe than apt-get |
| 12:18.17 | kerio | apt-get tells you what it's about to do in detail |
| 12:20.47 | psycho_oreos | HAM is the most safest, apt-get with some caution, then fapman. |
| 12:21.11 | psycho_oreos | safe != foolproof |
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| 12:30.28 | Sysaxed | oh, then apt-get all the way |
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| 12:48.24 | psycho_oreos | The general rule of thumb goes that if you are formidable with CLI stuff including troubleshooting and fixing stuff in CLI, then use apt-get. Otherwise don't. |
| 12:48.25 | Lava_Croft | what does apt-get install tell you more than fapman install |
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| 13:03.32 | psycho_oreos | I personally don't think its a matter of which tells you more. There are users out there who would probably never to read logs until something breaks. Therefore apt-get would tell it "right in your face" sort of thing. |
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| 13:19.55 | psycho_oreos | Sysaxed, did also managed to get that eMMC converted to ext fs? I was away when you wrote all those messages later on. |
| 13:21.15 | Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: yes |
| 13:21.34 | Sysaxed | there was a problem with one of the commands |
| 13:21.48 | Sysaxed | the one which pastes the contents of a file to itself |
| 13:21.56 | Sysaxed | but I did it manually and now it is working corretly |
| 13:21.58 | Sysaxed | c |
| 13:22.51 | Sysaxed | Oh, one problem is that I still can't get things to automount, but if I run fdisk -l /dev/sdb - it automounts |
| 13:23.03 | Sysaxed | cat will work as well.. |
| 13:23.04 | Sysaxed | weird |
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| 13:23.52 | psycho_oreos | automount from the host or within N900 itself? |
| 13:24.40 | Sysaxed | from the pc |
| 13:24.45 | Sysaxed | n900 is fine |
| 13:25.03 | Sysaxed | but I guess it's a problem with my automount on pc.. so whatever |
| 13:25.34 | Sysaxed | how to change default shell to bash? sudo chsh /bin/bash4 ? |
| 13:26.14 | LjL-Alps | what do you recommend using for e-mail on the N900? i see Modest seems a bit, uh, modest, and specifically it has no "push" provisions. is it a good idea to use IMAP push somehow, and if so, how? i see there's this QtMail/QMF package for instance |
| 13:26.42 | psycho_oreos | I think I did it awhile ago (changing from busybox ash to bash) via manually editing the /etc/passwd iinm. |
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| 13:27.50 | psycho_oreos | hardly ever uses email on the N900 itself. If anything it was really using *cough* webmail. |
| 13:28.12 | Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: I've done it several times but still can't remember |
| 13:28.24 | Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: should I change for user only or root as well? |
| 13:29.43 | psycho_oreos | Sysaxed, ideally only the user. |
| 13:30.13 | psycho_oreos | You may want to change root sh to bash if later on you want root to be using bash and/or you ssh into N900 as root. |
| 13:35.43 | SAiF | Greetings... |
| 13:36.22 | Sysaxed | I remember there were boot problems with root as bash |
| 13:36.49 | SAiF | I cant get the calling screen in portrait mode, however if I use landscape, ie kb slide out it works... |
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| 13:40.16 | ecc3g | What webmail works well on the n900? I actually use modest quite a bit, actually even set up imap on my home machine so I can check my mail without sshing in... |
| 13:40.37 | psycho_oreos | I recall a fair few may have done a dirty trick into symlinking /bin/sh to /bin/bash which needless to say causes bootloops. |
| 13:41.07 | ecc3g | (the trick was trying to get my home pc to relay mail for my n900 with authentication...) |
| 13:41.33 | SAiF | my default mail client works well. |
| 13:41.42 | SAiF | using gmail |
| 13:41.55 | psycho_oreos | I was using gmail on N900 but that's awhile ago really. |
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| 13:42.26 | psycho_oreos | SAiF, that might be an issue if using CSSU-S. Though somewhat a little offtopic. |
| 13:42.30 | ecc3g | I guess I never tried www.gmail.com directly, I just have modest pointing to gmail |
| 13:42.35 | psycho_oreos | recalls there was a thread about it. |
| 13:43.34 | SAiF | i reflashed two days ago, installed cssu-testing and some apps and the h-e-n and last was kernel power. |
| 13:44.08 | SAiF | and followed n900 perfect setup |
| 13:47.27 | psycho_oreos | Weird, then that leaves me to do other possible outcomes: 1) You may have to adjust blacklist using the old fashioned way or even whitelist. I'm not sure what they use now for enabling/disabling certain programs from going into portrait mode (when it breaks they layout). 2) You may have that orientation lock enabled, thouogh this wouldn't make much sense if you slid your keyboard out and the dialer went into portrait mode. |
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| 13:54.12 | SAiF | where can I get that orientation lock..selection screen |
| 13:56.28 | psycho_oreos | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85756 |
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| 14:03.19 | Sysaxed | what was the name of a widget that allowed turning on/off wifi and bluetooth |
| 14:03.40 | Sysaxed | and there was an option to choose between stock and bleeding edge wifi |
| 14:05.21 | Sysaxed | well, not a widget but a menu button |
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| 14:09.33 | psycho_oreos | status-area-wlan-driver-selector-applet |
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| 14:22.22 | Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: thanks, but I don't think it's able to switch bluetooth as well? |
| 14:22.47 | Sysaxed | oh |
| 14:22.58 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 14:22.58 | Sysaxed | it's called advanced interface switcher |
| 14:22.59 | Sysaxed | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60473 |
| 14:36.18 | LjL-Alps | that's a useful applet, you can use it instead of a bunch of others |
| 14:37.00 | LjL-Alps | is firefox distributed by firefox.com a much updated version than the Fennec in extras-devel? |
| 14:37.50 | SAiF | fennec works? |
| 14:38.48 | LjL-Alps | very slowly, here |
| 14:39.20 | SAiF | tried it yesterday.. didnt work. |
| 14:39.50 | LjL-Alps | also i see Chromium has been removed from extras because of some patent whiner... bit appalled by that :\ |
| 14:41.08 | SAiF | by the way happy Eid-ul-Fitr |
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| 14:45.59 | SAiF | psycho_oreos: status-area-orientationlock-applet doesnt make any difference in calling menu |
| 14:48.12 | psycho_oreos | Chromium is still available elsewhere but its not updated. |
| 14:48.25 | psycho_oreos | SAiF, so check relevant blacklist/whitelist. |
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| 16:26.32 | Pali | freemangordon: KP52 is still missing here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ |
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| 16:28.35 | Pali | freemangordon: is promotion of packages working? |
| 16:28.46 | Pali | I think still not :-( |
| 16:31.34 | sixwheeledbeast | Pali: it should be which package? |
| 16:31.42 | sixwheeledbeast | KP? |
| 16:31.48 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/callnotify/ |
| 16:32.07 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/fiasco-image-update-ask/ |
| 16:32.22 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libicd-network-ipv6-scripts/ |
| 16:32.34 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/ipv6-support/ |
| 16:33.01 | Pali | sixwheeledbeast: It looks like every my package has: Package promoted but missing in extras-testing |
| 16:33.07 | sixwheeledbeast | Do you not have an option to promote them? |
| 16:33.21 | Pali | no |
| 16:33.28 | Pali | promote button is not visible |
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| 16:34.03 | Pali | I tried to promote fiasco-image-update-ask some minutes ago |
| 16:34.13 | Pali | so I can wait if this will work |
| 16:34.38 | Pali | but other packages definitily are missing in extras-testing interface and promote button from extras-devel version missing too |
| 16:35.04 | Pali | sixwheeledbeast: Can you look at other (not fiasco) packages? |
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| 16:51.30 | kerio | Pali: what's callnotify? |
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| 16:52.30 | kerio | Pali: bug report on bmerep/batteryapplet: there's a point where bq24k still hasn't started charging again (it was at 96% according to bq27k) but there was no green led |
| 16:52.54 | kerio | it went pulsing orange -> green -> nothing for a while |
| 16:56.40 | ecc3g | fsck. my ac10c is broken. |
| 16:57.03 | kerio | i don't think fscking it will help |
| 16:57.30 | kerio | especially the stock version |
| 16:59.23 | ecc3g | I think the strain relief on the wart side is borked. |
| 16:59.26 | kerio | freemangordon: the people demand a new fennec build |
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| 18:13.48 | Pali | kerio: only battery applet / hal does not report charging? or also kernel drivers refuse to start charging? |
| 18:14.50 | Pali | sixwheeledbeast: here is list of other packages which are without "promote" button: |
| 18:14.58 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/wide-dhcpv6-client/ |
| 18:15.04 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/ussd4all/ |
| 18:15.10 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/u-boot-tools/ |
| 18:15.15 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/u-boot-flasher/ |
| 18:15.22 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/u-boot-bootimg/ |
| 18:15.30 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libicd-network-ipv6-scripts/ |
| 18:15.56 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/ipv6-support/ |
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| 18:16.32 | Pali | and kernel power packages which totally missing in interface (last version 52): |
| 18:16.40 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ |
| 18:16.44 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-bootimg/ |
| 18:16.49 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-modules/ |
| 18:16.59 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-settings/ |
| 18:17.19 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-flasher/ |
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| 18:34.16 | kerio | Pali: no no, it's just a UI problem i think |
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| 18:34.37 | Pali | kerio: provide output of hal-device bme |
| 18:35.37 | kerio | not now |
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| 19:23.59 | lexik | Hi :) so ive tried to register to TMO and this is what i get: "You have left a required field blank.".. ideas? ("i agree" button checked..) also im preparing a "USB fix how-to" (status now: microUsb's from dx.com ordered") thats the reason why i want to register to TMO - to share with you my soldering-skills fail :P |
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| 19:25.13 | ashley | lexik: what browser/OS? it did that for me on Windows 7/Internet Explorer 10 (hence why I still haven't registered at TMO) |
| 19:26.05 | lexik | sadly im now using old MS WinXP with Chrome |
| 19:26.27 | lexik | but ive get the same "error" on my linux box with chromium |
| 19:26.56 | lexik | (and also on my n900 with microb) |
| 19:27.11 | lexik | but.. does it matter? |
| 19:28.48 | lexik | going afk.. your opinions i will read in log :)) thx :) |
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| 20:19.00 | psycho_oreos | lexik && ashley, I've added a bug on that issue: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12703 |
| 20:19.01 | povbot_ | 04Bug 12703: Unable to register on talk.maemo.org forums. |
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| 20:19.58 | ashley | psycho_oreos: alright, thanks :) |
| 20:21.14 | psycho_oreos | ashley, no worries. Thanks for confirming as well. Though it'd be nice if you could somehow also register on maemo bugzilla to confirm it :) |
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| 20:23.37 | ashley | I /should/ even have a BZ account, just need to try to remember its password... |
| 20:28.24 | ashley | alright, registered and voted |
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| 21:14.34 | lexik | So ive just read the "Saera thread" and ive started thinking about a "true" AI :) here is what im going to play with: www.pybrain.org |
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| 21:16.55 | lexik | but i seriously have no idea how powerful it could be on N900 HW... maybe create a grid of n900 and make a decetralized n900 based brain :D.. ok.. thats utopy but im going to take a look on it.. it could be interesting |
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| 21:52.35 | sixwheeledbeast | ~seen Pali |
| 21:52.37 | infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 18m ago, saying: 'kerio: provide output of hal-device bme'. |
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| 22:55.56 | LjL-Alps | 1) is it typically worth to make some adjustments to the default Maemo 5 swap parameters, and if so, are the parameters suggested by Swappolube any good? 2) does compcache at least tend to not make matter worse? |
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