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| 09:03.12 | DrCode | hi all |
| 09:03.18 | DrCode | can I use z-push with maemo? |
| 09:03.27 | DrCode | any one using it? |
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| 09:51.13 | kerio | what's zpush? |
| 09:51.16 | kerio | DrCode: |
| 09:53.08 | DrCode | hi |
| 09:53.17 | DrCode | its imap push |
| 09:53.26 | Lava_Croft | i had to reboot to get Conversations to not show, I thought :( |
| 09:53.37 | DrCode | is there option to use MultiPale Mail for exchange account? |
| 09:53.39 | kerio | Lava_Croft: the scrollbar? |
| 09:53.41 | Lava_Croft | Sadly, after rebooting I had to kill HD to make em show again |
| 09:53.50 | kerio | oh nvm |
| 09:53.53 | DrCode | or only one account? |
| 09:53.56 | Lava_Croft | no, ongoing convos showed up empty |
| 09:53.58 | kerio | DrCode: modest is an awful mess |
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| 09:54.16 | DrCode | yes |
| 09:54.20 | DrCode | z-push like nvm |
| 09:54.25 | Lava_Croft | modest is modest in its abilities but grand in its sucking |
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| 09:54.46 | DrCode | what is modest? |
| 09:54.59 | kerio | "Mail" |
| 09:55.03 | kerio | or whatever |
| 09:55.52 | DrCode | mail for exchange worked great with gmail or exchange , but I cannot use both on same time |
| 09:56.23 | DrCode | I had to use imap account with gmail , is very slow |
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| 10:45.46 | psycho_oreos | I believe there were some CSSU patches to make modest suck less. Though if modest still blows chunks for you then I wouldn't know what to suggest next, maybe go find a lightweight email reader (somehow). |
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| 11:31.39 | Wizzup | Is modest foss? |
| 11:31.46 | Wizzup | I may be interested in adding gpg support |
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| 11:35.59 | psycho_oreos | "modest is available under a BSD-like license. tinymail is available under the terms of the LGPL. Please refer to the source code for the details." -- http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 11:48.57 | LjL-Alps | i really should get around to calibrating the battery circuit. it nagged me all evening yesterday about low battery, and then it survived all night and it's still not powered off |
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| 12:06.24 | DrCode | my qustion |
| 12:06.37 | DrCode | can I use 1 MFE to sync multiple accounts? |
| 12:06.51 | DrCode | with novysync or z-push? |
| 12:06.59 | DrCode | I mean with activesync |
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| 12:35.40 | DrCode | I think I have found a soluion |
| 12:35.42 | DrCode | I will use offlineimap |
| 12:35.44 | DrCode | great idea |
| 12:36.12 | DrCode | I connect n900 with usb, can I see it has network on my linux? |
| 12:39.45 | psycho_oreos | How do you mean? |
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| 12:56.19 | Lava_Croft | DrCode: ever heard of that company called Google |
| 12:56.23 | Lava_Croft | they have this neat search engine |
| 12:56.33 | Lava_Croft | you can search for stuff on the web |
| 12:56.41 | Lava_Croft | its really cool! |
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| 13:01.18 | teotwaki | Weren't they the guys who started in their garage? |
| 13:01.24 | teotwaki | I like them. |
| 13:02.24 | psycho_oreos | They used to be cool... now they've become an evil necessity. |
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| 13:06.40 | kerio | omg omg omg omg |
| 13:06.43 | kerio | backupmenu update |
| 13:06.45 | kerio | omg omg omg omg |
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| 13:08.42 | kerio | omg omg omg |
| 13:08.46 | kerio | thumby openmediaplayer |
| 13:08.47 | kerio | omg omg omg |
| 13:08.51 | kerio | freemangordon: omg omg omg |
| 13:09.09 | kerio | no wait |
| 13:09.15 | kerio | lack of thumby openmediaplayer apparently |
| 13:09.43 | psycho_oreos | Its available on the same tmo thread (omp thread). Too bad its hosted on some free file sharing host. |
| 13:10.23 | kerio | freemangordon: host openmediaplayer pls |
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| 13:20.23 | Iridos | psycho_oreos, I wasn't really so concerned about someone hacking the N900... (although it maybe wouldn't be too hard to find now-known vulnerabilities that haven't been patched)... two separate issues a) I wondered if I can check on my own sim-card (not having a gsm/3g carrier under my control) ... and unrelated to that b) if I can check if the eduroam wireless connection uses certificates... because eduroam takes the uni password, which is kind of like the |
| 13:20.23 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:22.40 | psycho_oreos | a) Not without some fancy tools (I wouldn't know what you need to even begin with, though openmoko hardware may give you some possible pointers. b) No idea, never used eduroam before so I wouldn't know. |
| 13:22.57 | kerio | ~pkg |
| 13:22.57 | infobot | rumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 13:23.26 | psycho_oreos | On second thoughts, I know some local universities that I've been wandering around in, they use some sort of VPN based access. |
| 13:25.15 | psycho_oreos | N900 with a tightened firewall should be able to stop most basic 802.11 based attacks, ultimately it depends on how willing you are in wanting to secure it against 802.11 attacks. |
| 13:25.29 | Iridos | it's actually pretty canny... uses some kind of tunneling, so your local university credentials work on all other universities that have it all over the world... and some kind of tunneling only reveals your password to your home university... which then tells the remote one you're ok to join |
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| 13:26.41 | LjL-Alps | ah damn i think i messed up my N900's wifi somehow |
| 13:26.53 | psycho_oreos | I somewhat doubt the same eduroam account would work elsewhere. It all heavily depends on their policies nonetheless. There's that and the need for accountability. |
| 13:27.12 | Iridos | I said it's canny :) |
| 13:27.38 | psycho_oreos | *shrug* maybe it was a collaborated effort to begin with. |
| 13:27.48 | kerio | LjL-Alps: sudo modprobe -r wl12xx && sudo modprobe wl12xx |
| 13:28.22 | Iridos | it worked at 3 different universities (including mine) in germany so far... it didn't work at Northwestern in the US, but I think that just wasn't fully operational, they apparently only had it online for three days when I came there... |
| 13:28.47 | psycho_oreos | Maybe also stop wlancond && sleep 3 && start wlancond. |
| 13:29.37 | Iridos | as described here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduroam point is kinda... you're a professor or other "visiting scholar", you give a talk somewhere... you just have internet, no hassle. |
| 13:31.55 | LjL-Alps | kerio: it goes on when i do that, but it won't connect to my SSID (which is an Android hotspot in AP mode, it worked until 10 minutes ago), saying "Network connection error. Try again?". it stopped working after a reboot, and i kind of played around with stuff like MeeCoLay, which did seem to "upgrade" some system libraries... :\ |
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| 13:32.15 | kerio | mh, meecolay only updates qt, i believe |
| 13:32.26 | psycho_oreos | I don't think its just that, but it also allows access to target university's libraries as well. |
| 13:32.30 | Iridos | oh well... thanks for a), I feard that is so... and for b) ... well, not a too big concern here, I guess |
| 13:34.37 | psycho_oreos | a) Its inevitable, N900 itself uses portions of proprietary hardware which nobody would dare to try and tinker with. b) I actually thought there was some software that you had to use to use eduroam. If that's the case, you might be able to (in theory) look for a linux equivalent and somehow port it to maemo. |
| 13:35.35 | psycho_oreos | Albeit a) is slightly becoming lesser of the case, there has already been various attempts on other (what was then proprietary) parts of the device. |
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| 13:37.33 | Iridos | no... it's kind of a regular wpa2 wifi, it only uses eap-ttls or peap to forward the credentials... it's the bit in the FAQ https://www.eduroam.org/index.php?p=faq#safe " The certificate of your home institution is the only point you need to trust regardless of who operates any intermediate infrastructure." that I wonder about... |
| 13:37.57 | psycho_oreos | I'm guessing the stuff to do with GSM is tied to CMT, messing around with that may ultimately brick your device iinm. *cough*android*cough* probably has similar stance except the actual GSM modem it seems to be available as a separate file. |
| 13:38.16 | psycho_oreos | Oh, my bad. |
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| 13:39.02 | LjL-Alps | kerio: is there anywhere i can see logs of the connection attempts? or connect from terminal? |
| 13:39.15 | psycho_oreos | dmesg. |
| 13:39.17 | kerio | i guess that it'll log to syslog, if it's running |
| 13:39.30 | kerio | oh right, wifi also logs some things to dmesg |
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| 13:40.41 | LjL-Alps | dmesg show a fair bit of stuff. it appears to be "timing out" while trying to WPA authenticate |
| 13:40.58 | psycho_oreos | It gets first seen by dmesg (to lesser extent). Albeit it can only hold a certain amount of information, can't remember but maybe something to do with buffer/message ring. |
| 13:41.08 | LjL-Alps | also it says it's using US as regulatory domain, but maybe that's just because i have no SIM inserted, the network is on channel 11 anyway |
| 13:41.51 | psycho_oreos | I guess it depends on where you set your locale and *possibly* the firmware you flashed N900 with. |
| 13:42.23 | LjL-Alps | it also likes to say "down" and "firmware booted", after that it tries 4 times to authenticate, and times out |
| 13:42.40 | LjL-Alps | maybe i should reboot my Android device too, rule out it's its fault (though other computers are connected to it) |
| 13:43.24 | psycho_oreos | Firmware booted is to do with the fact that wl1251 is a softMAC based chip (where firmware sits on the host OS) and not inside the actual chipset. Its not that important to know that. |
| 13:43.49 | LjL-Alps | then can we please hack that firmware to enable AP mode? ;P |
| 13:43.50 | psycho_oreos | down and up is mainly controlled by wlancond iinm. |
| 13:43.58 | psycho_oreos | Ask TI. |
| 13:45.20 | LjL-Alps | uh... |
| 13:45.22 | LjL-Alps | it connected now |
| 13:45.25 | LjL-Alps | and i did literally nothing |
| 13:45.50 | LjL-Alps | i, uh, opened CSSU Features Configuration, and FAM. don't see how these could be related |
| 13:45.51 | psycho_oreos | Besides enabling AP mode, you still need to upgrade the lot of wireless portion within maemo. |
| 13:46.16 | LjL-Alps | psycho_oreos: well that sounds easier than reverse engineering a firmware in theory, no? |
| 13:46.21 | psycho_oreos | It might also be something to do with range/interference. |
| 13:46.50 | LjL-Alps | there should be barely any interference here. well who knows, as long as it works |
| 13:46.55 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, that's kinda like expecting wl1251 kernel module to already be as formidable as wl12xx kernel module. |
| 13:48.02 | LjL-Alps | psycho_oreos: sorry, i don't understand what you mean. is wl1251 (or wl12xx?) the "bleeding edge" driver with injection? |
| 13:49.01 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, wl1251 is the bleeding edge driver that has injection capabilities. If you used wl1251 for anything else apart from rfmon, it tends to crash the device. |
| 13:50.05 | LjL-Alps | well i turned it on at some point just to see what it even was (the status bar applet i have offers that option), but then i always used the normal one |
| 13:50.06 | psycho_oreos | IOW, wl1251 isn't even stable to begin with, hence we're still using old wl12xx. |
| 13:51.11 | LjL-Alps | oh, is it possible the wifi didn't have enough battery juice to actually work? i'm "charging" the N900 by having it connected to a netbook's USB port, and apparently there is 0% battery left |
| 13:51.33 | psycho_oreos | Yeah I have a status bar applet that allows me to change it on the fly, but I'm trying to say that if wl1251 was as formidable/stable as wl12xx and that we could just be using one kernel driver for 802.11 stuff (forgoing wl12xx) then we might be even one step closer. |
| 13:51.43 | LjL-Alps | i see |
| 13:52.35 | LjL-Alps | it's really a bummer for me, the inability to be an AP (or rather, the inabilty to use WPA while being a hotspot). there are other reasons i might prefer to keep using my Android device as my main phone, but this is the big one :( |
| 13:52.36 | psycho_oreos | I don't know, its possible that the N900 was in power saving mode. However if its connected to an external power supply, N900 may not remain constantly in power saving mode. |
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| 13:53.17 | LjL-Alps | and speaking of wifi power saving, is there usually any advantage in setting transmit power to 10mW instead of 100? since i see there's an option for that |
| 13:53.36 | psycho_oreos | It's what nokia and TI chose to do, no tertiary/AP firmware, besides like I said its missing a whole bunch of userland tools required for proper AP mode. |
| 13:54.04 | kerio | LjL-Alps: i don't think so |
| 13:54.38 | psycho_oreos | I doubt it but I've always left mine to be at 100mW. |
| 13:54.57 | LjL-Alps | i'm not sure why lack of AP mode implies also lack of ad-hoc WPA, but i suppose there's a reason |
| 13:56.16 | ShadowJK | LjL-Alps; 10mW/100mW is a regulatory thing. In some countries you're limited to 10mW outdoors and 100nW indoors |
| 13:56.33 | LjL-Alps | ah |
| 13:57.50 | LjL-Alps | hey... not sure i want to do this since it's more complicated than it should but - since we have host mode, would it be possible to use an external wifi dongle to support AP mode? |
| 13:57.52 | psycho_oreos | Somehow I think lack of ad-hoc WPA is related to an outdated wireless-tools :p i.e. wireless userland tools. |
| 13:58.22 | LjL-Alps | oh |
| 13:58.29 | LjL-Alps | then i'll look into that |
| 13:58.50 | psycho_oreos | It would require the wifi dongle to: a) be supported by linux natively and b) needs the driver to be built specifically for maemo kernel (compat-wireless or otherwise). |
| 13:59.00 | psycho_oreos | You can but you won't get far. |
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| 14:10.45 | psycho_oreos | Actually.. LjL-Alps && Iridos: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36220 |
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| 14:17.14 | LjL-Alps | psycho_oreos: i've also found some hints that with the bleeding edge drivers and "airbase" it's possible to obtain a "Soft AP" mode |
| 14:18.15 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, ideally I wouldn't be using airbase-ng for AP mode. It was not designed for that sort of purpose. |
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| 14:20.12 | LjL-Alps | psycho_oreos: well i guess not, but the situation wrt AP mode doesn't seem particularly "ideal" on the N900 :P |
| 14:20.33 | Iridos | hmm |
| 14:24.00 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, it seems doable but not easy. |
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| 14:31.31 | Iridos | so how's the normal wireless-dialog offereing WPA if there's no wpa_supplicant |
| 14:32.23 | psycho_oreos | What? huh? |
| 14:33.57 | psycho_oreos | I don't think the wireless-dialog actually relies on wpa_supplicant at all. It relies on some other in-house program to do all the connecting and stuff. |
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| 14:37.03 | Iridos | ah |
| 14:39.20 | psycho_oreos | wpa_supplicant is/was the normal way of authenticating/hosting WPA secured networks. I just don't know why it was not to be embedded into maemo at all. |
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| 14:40.26 | LjL-Alps | i just succeeded in using airmon-ng and airbase-ng to create an unencrypted AP that my netbook could connect to, i guess that's something |
| 14:40.34 | kerio | =D |
| 14:40.46 | LjL-Alps | my N810 doesn't seem to see it though |
| 14:42.15 | psycho_oreos | airmon-ng isn't really needed, not sure would "bleeding-edge" kernel module be needed either. |
| 14:42.25 | kerio | psycho_oreos: to inject stuff |
| 14:42.43 | kerio | LjL-Alps: this is in monitor mode, right? |
| 14:43.09 | psycho_oreos | kerio, yeah with "bleeding-edge". Maybe that is a dependency for airbase-ng I guess. |
| 14:43.37 | LjL-Alps | kerio: i suppose so, i don't understand this stuff very much so i'm mostly googling things around. but, i've started airmon-ng, that created a mon0 interface, and then i started airbase-ng on mon0 |
| 14:43.41 | psycho_oreos | It would definitely have to be in monitor mode, airmon-ng just turns an interface (or VIF even) into monitor interface. |
| 14:43.58 | LjL-Alps | airbase-ng actually seemed to be happy enough being started directly on wlan0, but that way i didn't see it from my N810, so i tried with airmon |
| 14:44.23 | psycho_oreos | wlan0 needs to be in monitor mode (ideally). |
| 14:44.53 | psycho_oreos | That would also make mon0 rather redundant, which like I said makes airmon-ng isn't a necessity. |
| 14:44.55 | LjL-Alps | psycho_oreos: are you saying it would be better to put (how?) wlan0 in mon mode, rather than "bridging" it to mon0 using airmon? |
| 14:45.28 | LjL-Alps | well the important thing now anyway is to see if i can use WPA with this |
| 14:46.00 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, 1) iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor (the interface or VIF needs to be down via ifconfig first). 2) It's not a matter of bridging factor, mon0 is essentially wlan0, it just shares the same "base". |
| 14:47.34 | psycho_oreos | If you are say for example already associated to a network on one VIF, you can for example with another interface setup Ad-hoc/AP/rfmon mode. However the extra interface must share the same frequency as the base as it is a hardware limitation. |
| 14:52.52 | LjL-Alps | psycho_oreos: is what airmon-ng does then to create a "VIF" in monitor-mode, and leave the wlan0 "VIF" in normal mode? |
| 14:53.35 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, essentially yes. |
| 14:54.26 | psycho_oreos | or basically it doesn't do anything to wlan0 but use that as a "reference point". It actually does more than that such as it checks the driver used and reports information about the wireless (802.11) chipset. |
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| 15:05.44 | LjL-Alps | meh, everything on google tells me how to make an airbase-ng AP that accepts *any* WPA key, so i can sniff people's passphrases, but that's not what i want to do :\ |
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| 15:06.33 | psycho_oreos | You were already forewarned about that :P |
| 15:09.04 | LjL-Alps | psycho_oreos: fair enough, but i get the distinct feeling it *is* possible to use this program to make a proper (if resource-intensive) WPA2 AP. just, since as you say it's not its intended purpose, there's not an ocean of documentation about it |
| 15:11.43 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, probably not really worth it in the long run. You'd be spending far more time and effort in getting airbase-ng to act as a proper AP (which ends up breaking various levels of regulation as well, along with rewriting history). Far more effort than getting wpa_supplicant to work so that you can use Ad-Hoc with WPA. |
| 15:12.34 | LjL-Alps | psycho_oreos: why does it break regulations? |
| 15:13.29 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, I think you are basically circumventing the fact of how TI and nokia refused to offer Tertiary/AP firmware for instance. |
| 15:13.56 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: how's -thumb? |
| 15:14.54 | psycho_oreos | That plus airbase-ng wasn't really cut out for "normal" usages, it was specifically designed to take advantage in a loophole amongst specific drivers. Its kinda like you're trying to add more fuel to the already burning flame. |
| 15:15.26 | psycho_oreos | freemangordon, somewhat very impressive though compared with another N900 not being in -thumb I can see that more swap is being used as a result (on a -thumb enabled N900). |
| 15:15.55 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: I guess you run more stuff on it :) |
| 15:16.36 | psycho_oreos | freemangordon, yeah that's expected heh :) everyone has different uses with their N900. |
| 15:19.12 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: having SIM card and IM accounts eats lots of RAM |
| 15:22.38 | psycho_oreos | freemangordon, I have SIM card inserted. Not running IM but I have a ton of processes in the background (no, not accessible through task-switcher). |
| 15:23.47 | psycho_oreos | I am definitely impressed at how long it takes for the time it took between in me opening the camera lens shutter till it asks me to open which program for camera. That plus a few notable speed ups here and there. |
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| 15:44.58 | freemangordon | ~flashing |
| 15:44.59 | infobot | [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 17:08.55 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 17:09.15 | freemangordon | ~nokia-cherry |
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| 17:09.45 | freemangordon | wtf? |
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| 17:24.43 | Wizzup | kerio: fsck + reboot helpen wrt scroll issue |
| 17:24.50 | Wizzup | but I think my mmc is dying |
| 17:24.52 | Wizzup | :( |
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| 17:34.23 | DrCode | any one using offlineimap? |
| 17:34.26 | DrCode | with dovcot |
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| 18:31.27 | Sysaxed | any idea why I can't connect my phone to debian unstable? |
| 18:31.41 | Sysaxed | I was able to do that for a long time, then I have updated my system |
| 18:32.09 | Sysaxed | this broke it for n900.. But I was able to do that on other PCs |
| 18:32.32 | Sysaxed | then I eventually updated them all... |
| 18:34.02 | Sicelo | what do you mean? |
| 18:34.24 | Sysaxed | oh, I connect it to the pc, select mass storage mode and nothing happens |
| 18:34.33 | Sysaxed | can't see sd card on internal memory |
| 18:34.47 | Sysaxed | sometimes, like one out of 20, I'm lucky to see sd card |
| 18:35.05 | bef0rd | could be an usb hw issue? |
| 18:35.12 | bef0rd | does lsusb detect the phone? |
| 18:35.13 | Sicelo | that sounds like it has nothing to do with Debian or any OS |
| 18:35.24 | Sysaxed | No, this is not a hw problem as stated above |
| 18:35.44 | Sysaxed | I can still access it on one of the systems where apt-get dist-upgrade was not ran in two months |
| 18:35.51 | Sicelo | definitely something in your connections.. either USB is on its way out, or your pc usb ports are about to go |
| 18:36.10 | Sicelo | or, your usb host on pc has flaky drivers |
| 18:36.24 | Sysaxed | different laptops, not a driver problem |
| 18:36.58 | Sysaxed | not a usb problem, because I was able to connect it a week ago to old pc |
| 18:36.58 | Sicelo | all the laptops have debian unstable? |
| 18:37.02 | Sysaxed | yes |
| 18:37.30 | Sicelo | so obviously your USB port on the offending pc/laptop is kaput |
| 18:37.40 | Sysaxed | on all of them? |
| 18:37.52 | Sysaxed | 4 laptops total, 3 stopped working after upgrade |
| 18:37.58 | Sysaxed | 1 is still not upgrades |
| 18:38.04 | Sysaxed | oh, sorry, 3 laptops and one normal pc |
| 18:38.25 | Sysaxed | Bus 004 Device 004: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode) |
| 18:38.29 | Sysaxed | that's what lsusb says |
| 18:38.41 | Sysaxed | now, how can I get it mounted? |
| 18:38.41 | Sicelo | can't follow what Sysaxed is saying |
| 18:38.58 | Sicelo | is the N900 working with the other laptops or not? |
| 18:38.59 | Sysaxed | Sicelo: ask a question? |
| 18:39.17 | Sysaxed | it's working on a laptop that was not updated for a long time, YES |
| 18:39.46 | Sicelo | and on all updated ones, it doesn't work? |
| 18:39.51 | Sysaxed | yes |
| 18:40.56 | Sicelo | so, i said if hardware is ok, the only other thing making sense here is that the driver for the usb host on the offending laptops is flaky |
| 18:41.01 | Sicelo | 18:36 < Sicelo> or, your usb host on pc has flaky drivers |
| 18:41.40 | Sicelo | other usb devices work fine on the updated laptops? |
| 18:42.24 | Sysaxed | yes |
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| 18:43.03 | Sysaxed | just tested an usb drive, connected and mounted automatically |
| 18:44.10 | Sicelo | what does the N900 show? |
| 18:44.28 | Sysaxed | what do you mean? |
| 18:44.44 | Sysaxed | a simple prompt, USB storage or PC suite mode |
| 18:44.49 | Sysaxed | and then nothing |
| 18:44.58 | Sicelo | hmm, |
| 18:46.03 | Sysaxed | wow, not it said that only sd card is connected |
| 18:46.12 | Sysaxed | and sd card was mounted, yeah |
| 18:46.15 | Sicelo | lol.. that's what i was asking |
| 18:46.17 | Sysaxed | and if I try that once again.. |
| 18:46.51 | Sysaxed | said same thing, sd card only |
| 18:46.57 | Sysaxed | but now it's not accessible from pc.. |
| 18:47.13 | Sysaxed | ah right, I had terminal opened |
| 18:47.34 | Sysaxed | now, when terminal on n900 is closed... it says.. nothing! |
| 18:47.42 | Sysaxed | well, "Connected to pc" or something like that |
| 18:47.47 | Sysaxed | and then nothing happens |
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| 18:57.58 | psycho_oreos | Sometimes dmesg contains useful information. If you have sysklogd installed, syslog also provides more information. |
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| 19:04.13 | Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: dmesg on n900 or my pc? |
| 19:08.53 | psycho_oreos | Sysaxed, mainly N900. PC might also be useful but not now. |
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| 19:11.42 | Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: well, no errors or anything weird |
| 19:11.50 | Sysaxed | I can upload it.. but uh.. |
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| 19:13.03 | psycho_oreos | pastebinit |
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| 19:13.27 | psycho_oreos | ~pastebinit |
| 19:13.35 | psycho_oreos | lolwut. |
| 19:14.36 | Sysaxed | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/n900 |
| 19:14.55 | Sysaxed | FAT errors are most probably unrelated |
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| 19:15.00 | Sysaxed | but who knows... |
| 19:16.49 | Sysaxed | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-08-06-220339_807x227_scrot.png |
| 19:16.53 | Sysaxed | dmesg on pc |
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| 19:20.09 | psycho_oreos | FAT errors are pointing at your eMMC, it probably needs fsck or something. Dmesg output from PC I could see sdb and sdc being created. That could be from N900, so check via fdisk -l to see if /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc are actually N900's exports to PC. |
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| 19:23.47 | Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-08-06-222335_746x558_scrot.png |
| 19:25.30 | psycho_oreos | Sysaxed, /dev/sdb looks almost certainly like your eMMC. /dev/sdc looks like 1GB microSD that doesn't seem to be setup properly. Your /dev/sdc setup often reminds me of my old n95. |
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| 19:26.42 | Sysaxed | uhh, what do you mean by "doesn't seem to be setup properly" |
| 19:26.49 | Sysaxed | well, it looks weird, but it was working |
| 19:27.16 | Sysaxed | and it IS working if I open up a terminal and block my eMMC so it wont try to give any access to it |
| 19:27.38 | psycho_oreos | Have a look at those question marks, and the filesystem reported by fdisk. It seems like its all obfusicated output. |
| 19:28.29 | Sysaxed | so are you telling me that if I take my sd card out it will start working correctly? |
| 19:28.33 | psycho_oreos | I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm saying the way how that 1GB microSD is setup looks weird. |
| 19:28.43 | psycho_oreos | No, both should be working fine. |
| 19:28.49 | Sysaxed | ok |
| 19:29.05 | psycho_oreos | I'm pretty certain your 1GB doesn't actually have 4 partitions does it? |
| 19:29.20 | Sysaxed | I have no idea |
| 19:29.32 | Sysaxed | it was not me who was formatting it |
| 19:29.36 | Sysaxed | but I have only seen one partition |
| 19:30.14 | psycho_oreos | I'm guessing there's no way in hell it would show up as four separate partitions. Besides 1GB being split into four (or so) makes illogical sense. |
| 19:30.50 | Sysaxed | well, I should reformat it one day |
| 19:31.04 | Sysaxed | but still, what about my things not being mounted at all? |
| 19:31.18 | psycho_oreos | In either case I'd personally fix it by backing up contents of the microSD and nuke the partition table (of microSD), re-partition, re-format and chuck all the data back on it. |
| 19:31.39 | Sysaxed | well, I don't care about microSD, really |
| 19:31.49 | Sysaxed | I want my eMMC to be mounted... |
| 19:32.03 | psycho_oreos | You should be able to have eMMC mounted correctly, not sure about microSD with all those weird unknown filesystems. |
| 19:32.04 | Sysaxed | you were saying something about fsck? |
| 19:32.14 | Sysaxed | I have opposite problem... |
| 19:32.37 | LjL-Alps | the NITDroid site seems to be mostly down, how decent was it for the N900 last time, out of curiosity? hardware support? |
| 19:33.11 | psycho_oreos | Yeah, that dmesg output from your N900 shows errors with /dev/mmcblk0p1 which is actually the eMMC partition. |
| 19:33.21 | Sicelo | heh, and this N900 works fine on other computers? |
| 19:33.35 | Sysaxed | Sicelo: not after upgrade |
| 19:33.55 | Sysaxed | and this is the output from one of these that can't get it working |
| 19:34.23 | psycho_oreos | Sysaxed, you should be able to still mount the eMMC on your PC without issues. fdisk -l shows it as /dev/sdb, dmesg reports two extra "drives". So the kernel is seeing it, its just a matter of getting it mounted. |
| 19:35.14 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, that is a little offtopic here (fyi), their forums is still up but I don't think their main focus is on N900 anymore. |
| 19:36.27 | LjL-Alps | psycho_oreos: ok, i'm sorry, was just mildly curious (i have an almost identical Android device anyway so running Android on the N900 would really just be to see what it's like) |
| 19:38.40 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, not an op here myself :) I do recall nitdroid builds for N900 was lacking features (mainly due to N900's use of proprietary components and android's lack of focus on non-officially supported devices). |
| 19:42.13 | Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: oh, so it's just not being mounted automatically? |
| 19:42.55 | psycho_oreos | Sysaxed, yeah I'm guessing (if you have autofs or something like that). I don't like auto mounting personally. |
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| 19:44.49 | psycho_oreos | Sysaxed, regardless, check mount to see if its already mounted (or even df should suffice). If its not mounted, mount it by hand and see if there's any issues. If there's issues, dmesg (from PC) should tell you what. |
| 19:48.32 | Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71236259/2013-08-06-224816_1050x243_scrot.png |
| 19:48.41 | Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: how to mount it? |
| 19:48.45 | Sysaxed | I've never done it manually |
| 19:49.34 | psycho_oreos | Sysaxed, its not mounted. "mount /dev/sdb /path/to/mount/to". |
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| 19:50.59 | Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: you're right. |
| 19:51.02 | Sysaxed | now it is mounted |
| 19:51.27 | psycho_oreos | Sysaxed, mount will also tell you as well, dmesg may spill errors, etc if it happens. |
| 19:51.53 | Sysaxed | [21662.448520] FAT-fs (sdb): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck. |
| 19:53.02 | psycho_oreos | Yeah, that's what N900 faced, albeit N900 has old e2fsck tools. Hopefully your Debian unstable has much much newer e2fsprogs, you should be able to fsck (but eMMC must not be mounted). |
| 19:54.53 | Sysaxed | errr, I've started doing it from n900 |
| 19:55.15 | Sysaxed | FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ? 1) Use first FAT 2) Use second FAT |
| 19:55.25 | Sysaxed | what should I answer? |
| 19:56.05 | psycho_oreos | I don't know lol.. when running fsck, sometimes its better to backup the remaining data (where possible). |
| 19:56.22 | psycho_oreos | doesn't even use FAT32 on his N900s. |
| 19:57.29 | Sysaxed | oh well, I have been trying to get rid of it for a long time |
| 19:57.45 | psycho_oreos | Get rid of? |
| 19:58.14 | Sysaxed | of fat partition |
| 19:58.23 | Sysaxed | and use ext instead |
| 19:58.43 | Sysaxed | is there any easy way to do so? |
| 19:59.19 | psycho_oreos | I'd send interrupt signal to e2fsck, plug N900 back into PC. Copy all the eMMC data off it, then format and put the data back on. |
| 19:59.28 | psycho_oreos | There was a guide on the tmo. |
| 20:02.52 | Sysaxed | hmm |
| 20:02.54 | Sysaxed | where? |
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| 20:03.06 | Sysaxed | well, I'm not stupid and I know how to use google |
| 20:03.12 | Sysaxed | but I cannot find it |
| 20:03.28 | psycho_oreos | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73478 |
| 20:03.34 | Sysaxed | did you remove the partition totally or just reformatted it as ext? |
| 20:04.06 | Sysaxed | "Maybe you'd like to use the following "illegal" characters FAT doesn't support in your file names (like music tracks)... " * : < > ? \ |" |
| 20:04.09 | Sysaxed | oh, hell yeah |
| 20:04.12 | psycho_oreos | There were no partition to remove, if there was you'd be doing it wrong. |
| 20:04.18 | Sysaxed | "How about Unicode support?" |
| 20:04.18 | Sysaxed | yeeahhh |
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| 20:06.36 | Sysaxed | why ext3 and not ext4? |
| 20:07.09 | psycho_oreos | Note the date when it was posted. |
| 20:07.29 | Sysaxed | so I can safely change it to mkfs.ext4? |
| 20:07.39 | psycho_oreos | Besides I don't see my N900 showing ext4 supported. |
| 20:07.51 | Sysaxed | I thought that there were support |
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| 20:07.54 | psycho_oreos | Its up to you you can experiment. |
| 20:07.57 | Sysaxed | came with one of the updates, uh? |
| 20:08.06 | Sysaxed | or was it in power kernel.. |
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| 20:08.35 | psycho_oreos | cat /proc/filesystem| grep ext4 yields nothing. |
| 20:08.53 | kwtm | someone remind me --what's that N900 package that gives different ring tones to different callers? I installed it a long time ago and can't remember how to access it. (Shows you how often I make new friends ... ) |
| 20:09.11 | Sysaxed | psycho_oreos: yeah, that's right |
| 20:09.32 | Sysaxed | by the way, if anybody is interested |
| 20:09.42 | Sysaxed | BitTorrent sync is running amazingly well on n900 |
| 20:09.45 | psycho_oreos | If you think of it, it sort of breaks formality, /home and /home/opt is using ext3. |
| 20:09.58 | Sysaxed | you just place a binary anywhere you want and it's going to work great |
| 20:10.05 | Sysaxed | access is via webui |
| 20:10.31 | Sysaxed | I haven't tested battery usage yet, my 8gb folder is still synchronizing... but well! |
| 20:11.26 | Sysaxed | oh, and there was some problem when n900 was rebooting under heavy load because of btsync, but swappolube proposed settings fixed it |
| 20:15.34 | kwtm | infobot seen kwtm |
| 20:15.43 | infobot | kwtm is currently on #maemo (7m 35s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 9s, last said: 'infobot seen kwtm'. |
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| 20:15.44 | kwtm | Okay, I guess I'm muted. |
| 20:15.51 | XATRIX | Hi, how can i disable IPv6 |
| 20:15.54 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.03 | kwtm | Oh, wait, I'm not muted. Just not noteworthy enough, I guess. :P Oh, well. |
| 20:16.10 | XATRIX | kwtm: you're not |
| 20:16.45 | kwtm | It's okay, I figured it out. Turns out it's called "custom ringtone" and it actually modifies the Contacts app instead of being an app on its own. |
| 20:17.18 | kwtm | XATRIX: Unfortunately, I am not able to help you. The only thing I know about IPv6 is it's 50% more than IPv4 |
| 20:18.11 | XATRIX | :))))) |
| 20:19.47 | psycho_oreos | ~seen kwtm |
| 20:19.49 | infobot | kwtm is currently on #maemo (11m 41s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 2m 31s, last said: 'XATRIX: Unfortunately, I am not able to help you. The only thing I know about IPv6 is it's 50% more than IPv4'. |
| 20:20.24 | Sicelo | stock Maemo doesn't do IPv6 without tweaking.. what do you mean XATRIX? |
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| 20:22.03 | XATRIX | Sicelo: seems like my windows netbios proto can't find N900 |
| 20:22.03 | XATRIX | http://fpaste.org/30462/75820489/ |
| 20:22.19 | XATRIX | As long as i understand it binded to IPv6 address ? |
| 20:22.29 | psycho_oreos | He probably installed kernel-power and it has ipv6 kernel module automatically loaded. |
| 20:22.44 | Sicelo | it didn't |
| 20:23.01 | Sicelo | you N900 is at 192.168.1.3 |
| 20:23.07 | Sicelo | *your |
| 20:23.30 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.32 | XATRIX | ? |
| 20:23.38 | XATRIX | tcp 0 0 ::ffff:192.168.1.3%65024:139 ::%168:* LISTEN |
| 20:24.04 | Sicelo | i have that too.. |
| 20:24.09 | XATRIX | Something is definately wrong here |
| 20:24.38 | sixwheeledbeast | "fe80::" is a link-local ipv6 |
| 20:24.44 | Sicelo | what is the windows pc supposed to see on the N900 btw? |
| 20:25.15 | XATRIX | SMB shared partition ? |
| 20:25.23 | XATRIX | I'm started TinySMB |
| 20:25.42 | XATRIX | It worked as a charm a while ago :( |
| 20:26.12 | psycho_oreos | You can probably blacklist ipv6 and maybe reboot. |
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| 20:27.59 | Sicelo | i'd start with rechecking the config for TinySMB |
| 20:28.02 | XATRIX | Yea, i'm going to try it |
| 20:28.18 | XATRIX | My windows PC, can't even connect to |
| 20:30.11 | sixwheeledbeast | Do you have ipv6 working on router or other devices? |
| 20:35.20 | XATRIX | nope |
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| 20:58.12 | bef0rd | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/13/08/06/2023208/new-android-app-encourages-users-to-throw-device-as-high-as-possible |
| 20:58.28 | bef0rd | pff n900fly has been here for a while :P |
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| 21:12.29 | psycho_oreos | ='-vc cv |
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| 21:59.19 | ecc3g | heh... slashdot posting: android gets n900Fly port. ? |
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| 22:54.58 | oldtopman | Is there any way to get the n900 media player to respect disc number? |
| 22:55.14 | oldtopman | Right now, it lumps all of my tracks from multi-disc albums together. |
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| 23:04.26 | Sysaxed | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73478 |
| 23:04.28 | Sysaxed | so... |
| 23:04.31 | Sysaxed | that script |
| 23:04.39 | Sysaxed | should I run it from another pc or from my n900? |
| 23:09.59 | Sysaxed | yeah, right, from my phone.. |
| 23:10.06 | Sysaxed | uhmmm |
| 23:10.20 | Sysaxed | now my home folder doesn't work |
| 23:10.38 | Sysaxed | well, accidentally I have ran this script twice |
| 23:11.14 | Sysaxed | so, what could have gone wrong? I have seen a lot of messages like "operation not permitted" |
| 23:11.24 | Sysaxed | most likely for the last chown command |
| 23:11.44 | Sysaxed | but it was executed as root, huh |
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| 23:35.28 | Sysaxed | OH Right! |
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| 23:35.36 | Sysaxed | there's no mkfs.ext3 on n900 |
| 23:36.00 | Sysaxed | and the thread says just "Eat salmon." |
| 23:36.02 | Sysaxed | awesome |
| 23:45.14 | Sysaxed | e2fsprogs ! |
| 23:46.49 | Sysaxed | what the.. |
| 23:47.01 | Sysaxed | e2fsprogs installed but no mkfs.ext3 command |
| 23:47.35 | Sysaxed | oh :O |
| 23:47.42 | Sysaxed | I guess I must stop talking to myself |
| 23:50.07 | ecc3g | odd. I think I'm getting really wrong AGPS locks using my wireless carrier's SUPL server... |
| 23:50.17 | ecc3g | Might have finally gotten the certificate right... |
| 23:50.42 | ecc3g | still wrong though :D But it's on the right state, right county at least... |
| 23:53.23 | Sysaxed | what is the point of that sed -i '1d' ??? |
| 23:53.46 | Sysaxed | I mean, that goddamn file is overwritten with the next command |
| 23:53.48 | ecc3g | (no blinking satellite icon in the status bar) |
| 23:57.32 | Sysaxed | oh yeah, now my phone doesn't boot |
| 23:57.37 | Sysaxed | I'm sorry but |
| 23:57.42 | Sysaxed | FUCK YOU, LANTIZIA |
| 23:57.45 | Sysaxed | whoever you are... |
| 23:59.00 | ecc3g | urk. |
| 23:59.44 | Sysaxed | well, my phone rebooted on the mkfs.ext3 command |
| 23:59.48 | Sysaxed | because of the watchdog |
| 23:59.52 | Sysaxed | Well, I guess... |
| 23:59.56 | Sysaxed | could be anything, really |
