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| 02:46.02 | psycho_oreos | Running on stock BME with advanced-power-daemon (still!!), its ironically funny to see how N900 is really picky on garden variety of wallwart USB based chargers. Whilst in terminal *under backupmenu* kernel will happily allow charging from any garden variety charger, however once hildon has been fully booted the device starts to be picky about any chargers that do not seem to be computer based. With the amount of N900s dangling off my laptop (under |
| 02:46.02 | psycho_oreos | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.19 | psycho_oreos | looks at the various N900's USB Fix/mod threads and contemplates of "wiki-it" up. |
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| 03:51.43 | DrCode | hi all |
| 03:51.56 | DrCode | how can I build an easydebian image? |
| 03:59.33 | Hurrian | DrCode: debootstrap |
| 04:11.21 | DrCode | hi Hurrian |
| 04:11.30 | DrCode | thank you |
| 04:11.31 | deafboy | As far as I remember, I have tried that onece and failed when it came to Pulseaudio fixing. |
| 04:11.49 | DrCode | can I run easydebian image in qemu or virtualbox? |
| 04:11.51 | Hurrian | deafboy: you need to downgrade Pulse inside Debian |
| 04:12.06 | DrCode | to do my testing |
| 04:12.17 | Hurrian | DrCode: no, you'll need to put the ED image inside a virtual hard drive image |
| 04:12.30 | Hurrian | the ED image is an ext4 partition file |
| 04:13.51 | DrCode | debootstrap build image |
| 04:14.46 | DrCode | is there guide how to port debootstrap to easydebian? |
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| 06:17.04 | jean_brat | hi has any one has any experince on extkbd? |
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| 06:45.42 | psycho_oreos | What sort of external keyboard? |
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| 07:36.34 | kerio | jean_brat: used it successfully with a bt keyboard |
| 07:42.44 | arvut | Anyone in here who knows a bit or two about firewalls and rootkit protection for Meego harmattan 1.3 & maemo5? (inception & ssh active on n9, ssh on n900) |
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| 07:58.55 | kerio | rootkit *protection*? |
| 07:59.01 | kerio | dafuq |
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| 08:22.15 | psycho_oreos | arvut, there is a package called genwall for generating iptables script for N900. Pretty nifty, and with some hacks you can have it enabled on every boot (without having to run genwall script). I'm not sure on n9. There's also a package (not sure if available on n9{00} known as fail2ban, which eliminates any attacks on sshd itself. |
| 08:24.21 | psycho_oreos | Rather virtually any attacks on sshd itself. |
| 08:25.29 | psycho_oreos | Password-less setup (and using only SSH keys to identify legitimate connection) would definitely be one step above password based logins for sshd. |
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| 08:31.25 | psycho_oreos | I also just noticed something... the old saying goes, "Never surf the net as root". *points at arvut's general direction* |
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| 08:49.56 | kerio | the n900 has no security whatsoever |
| 08:52.13 | psycho_oreos | Though that doesn't mean you can't try to make it secure. You do have a choice, but it all depends on how willing you are. |
| 08:53.26 | psycho_oreos | Besides, its somewhat rare for script kiddies to target maemo/meego platform, its a niche market and for their effort in attacking it would yield them little gain apart from being specialised to that area. |
| 08:53.29 | kerio | there's no /etc/shadow, and passwords are saved in /etc/passwd using the old-style crypt() |
| 08:53.37 | kerio | and they're limited to 8 characters |
| 08:55.53 | psycho_oreos | WiFi passwords are stored in gconf, lock code is limited to 5 numbers and can be easily broken, yadda yadda yadda. |
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| 09:00.33 | kerio | wifi passwords have to be stored in cleartext |
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| 09:02.17 | psycho_oreos | Ironically because of the fact that the dependent program isn't able to read encrypted form. |
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| 09:11.49 | kerio | no, because you need the cleartext |
| 09:12.40 | psycho_oreos | For? |
| 09:15.25 | kerio | to connect to a protected wifi network |
| 09:17.38 | psycho_oreos | Sure, that's as effective as writing out passwords in plaintext and sticking it on the device. |
| 09:17.40 | psycho_oreos | :) |
| 09:18.16 | psycho_oreos | "Here, have my password, its: XYZ". |
| 09:22.19 | psycho_oreos | Old ADSL d-link modem or modem/routers used to store ADSL username and password in plaintext as a file. When someone manages to break the login credentials, they can read that. It sure was effective, until d-link realised they've made a bad mistake. |
| 09:23.18 | psycho_oreos | Actually no, not even, it was easily enumerated through its web config as well. |
| 09:23.40 | psycho_oreos | View HTML source and voila. |
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| 09:28.04 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure the end user itself didn't need to know their passwords were stored in plaintext, they already paid for whatever it was. Yet to the script kiddies it was nothing more than grabbing the "lowest hanging fruit". |
| 09:31.19 | psycho_oreos | Maemo 4 and its predecessors stored lock code in plaintext. Had it not been pointed out as a security flaw, Maemo 5 would have suffered the same fate. |
| 09:32.14 | jaska | well, the current way of doing an unix crypt on it isnt all that much better :D |
| 09:32.42 | psycho_oreos | Yet ironically Maemo 5's lock code was nothing more than 5 characters comprising of only numbers which is still susceptible to attacks. The only thing delaying it were its crypt format, but only just. |
| 09:33.25 | psycho_oreos | Not sure on Unix, on GNU/Linux the bulk of it can be prevented through its own ways and means. |
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| 09:46.35 | qwerty123 | hi i need help with battery drain at standby.. |
| 09:47.55 | freemangordon | whaaat?!?! qwerty123 O.o |
| 09:48.15 | freemangordon | qwerty123: any output from powertop? |
| 09:48.45 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> yep. i have the output from powertop. it is c0 -> 98.4 % and c4-> 0 % |
| 09:48.59 | qwerty123 | it is still persistent after flashing |
| 09:49.15 | qwerty123 | and i had followe all the rules stated in the thread |
| 09:49.18 | freemangordon | hmm, not good. which process is waking up the CPU? |
| 09:49.31 | psycho_oreos | Do you have autodisconnect installed? |
| 09:49.42 | qwerty123 | just flashed |
| 09:49.51 | qwerty123 | nothing installed apart from fapman |
| 09:50.03 | qwerty123 | and rootsh n powero\top obv. |
| 09:50.24 | freemangordon | qwerty123: could yo pastebin the powertop output? |
| 09:50.29 | freemangordon | *you |
| 09:50.58 | qwerty123 | and with out sim and memorycard it had 313 wake ups, but c0 was still the same. |
| 09:51.14 | qwerty123 | yep sure, just a lil later.. currently updating vcatalogues |
| 09:51.31 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> |
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| 09:59.02 | freemangordon | qwerty123: BTW pastebin dmesg output too, along with powertop output |
| 09:59.39 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> yeah downloading pastebinit at 2g speed.. suks!! |
| 09:59.58 | freemangordon | I can imagine :) |
| 10:01.03 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> btw, with 313 wakeups and 100% cpu at 250 mhz, whats keeping the cpu at c0 state?? |
| 10:01.17 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> any guesses?? |
| 10:01.28 | freemangordon | NFC, that is why I want powertop output :) |
| 10:07.16 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon>http://pastebin.com//KxEjbDqa |
| 10:08.06 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> powertop dere!! |
| 10:08.08 | psycho_oreos | That's one of two required info. |
| 10:08.23 | qwerty123 | yep second on its way |
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| 10:09.20 | qwerty123 | pstebin.com/RiSsNhTw |
| 10:09.42 | qwerty123 | http://pastebin.com/RiSsNhTw |
| 10:10.20 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> now that was the dmesg |
| 10:10.46 | qwerty123 | <psycho_oreos> that the second one.. |
| 10:10.51 | freemangordon | qwerty123: hmm, I see you're charging over USB in mass storage mode, correct? |
| 10:11.13 | qwerty123 | i was a bit back. |
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| 10:11.22 | freemangordon | was that true when you've captured powertop output? |
| 10:11.47 | qwerty123 | nope |
| 10:11.56 | SAiF | Good day.. .. to all |
| 10:12.02 | freemangordon | qwerty123: also, how fast your battery drains? |
| 10:13.46 | qwerty123 | well, i cant say hw fast it drains cause i have 3 batteries in parallel soit lasts al day. but 2300 mah should last more than 12 hrs. |
| 10:14.01 | freemangordon | qwazix: wifi connected? |
| 10:14.06 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> |
| 10:14.10 | freemangordon | oops |
| 10:14.15 | freemangordon | qwerty123: ^^^ |
| 10:14.37 | freemangordon | hates his stupid IRC client |
| 10:14.52 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> any idea?? |
| 10:15.01 | psycho_oreos | WiFi doesn't seem to be up according to that dmesg output. |
| 10:15.28 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> no it was not connected. |
| 10:15.41 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: smells like HW failure |
| 10:15.54 | qwerty123 | which hw?? |
| 10:16.10 | freemangordon | maybe CMT |
| 10:16.14 | psycho_oreos | freemangordon, haha I no nothing more than you do but yeah dmesg output doesn't seem to show much imo. |
| 10:16.47 | psycho_oreos | *ahem* lemme rephrase, I don't know as much as you freemangordon :). |
| 10:16.51 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: are you back here? |
| 10:17.16 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> now whats cmt dere?? any cure? |
| 10:17.55 | freemangordon | qwerty123: this is cellular modem, but I might be wrong (which HW is failing) |
| 10:18.29 | freemangordon | qwerty123: did you put the device in offline mode for powertop ? |
| 10:19.14 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> not for the out[ut i sent you.. not much difference. |
| 10:20.20 | freemangordon | hmm. Sorry, can't help further. wait for DocScrutinizer51 to be back from his (day, week, month) off, he might have some idea |
| 10:20.29 | psycho_oreos | I wonder if say a power-kernel would help in trying to narrow down the issue. |
| 10:21.14 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: I don;t see how, there is nothing in powertop/dmesg, only that high C0 |
| 10:21.23 | qwerty123 | <psycho_oreos> its just a recently flashed phone. no power-kernel. |
| 10:22.20 | psycho_oreos | freemangordon, *shrugs* just a wild guess as I tend to think power-kernel would have more patches on top of standard kernel and may (as a result) be more verbose. |
| 10:22.37 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, I know I know, just guessing and thinking. |
| 10:23.47 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> i actually tried stopping every process like browserd n all , still c0 ws same |
| 10:24.06 | psycho_oreos | Another random hunch might be r&d mode enabled. I recall people used to say r&d mode tends to chew up a bit more battery than production mode. |
| 10:24.26 | qwerty123 | <psycho_oreos> noppe.. its not enabled. |
| 10:24.41 | freemangordon | deffinitely sounds like HW failure |
| 10:24.54 | freemangordon | qwerty123: when did that start? |
| 10:25.07 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> :( :( |
| 10:25.22 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, electronics die.. sooner or later. |
| 10:26.12 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> i dont know. i didnt even care to check for powertop output first, but recently just while trying to optimise my phone i came across it. and there was no solution for it. |
| 10:26.43 | SpeedEvil | qwerty123: Someone has mentioned that it stays awake when charging? |
| 10:26.50 | SpeedEvil | hasn't read all backscroll. |
| 10:26.57 | qwerty123 | <psycho_oreos> yep. sadder because i had to format the whole thing for no gains!! |
| 10:27.15 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil: he said he did not charge while capturing powertop |
| 10:27.17 | qwerty123 | <speedevil> was not in charge |
| 10:27.21 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 10:27.51 | qwerty123 | cant powertop be wrong?? |
| 10:27.58 | freemangordon | no |
| 10:28.18 | qwerty123 | i mean i cant find any wild process killing battery.. so ... ohhhkkkaaaayyy |
| 10:28.37 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, its also one step closer in terms of debugging. For hardware troubleshooting its always good to try and deduce as much varied factors as possible. |
| 10:28.48 | SpeedEvil | qwerty123: htop is useful |
| 10:29.01 | freemangordon | qwerty123: you said you use some custom battery? |
| 10:29.02 | SpeedEvil | qwerty123: Was the screen off when doing that powertop? |
| 10:29.43 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> yes i do!! |
| 10:29.55 | qwerty123 | <speedevil> yes it was!! |
| 10:30.06 | SpeedEvil | My next step would be ssh. |
| 10:30.16 | SpeedEvil | ssh into the phone - while it's on wifi. |
| 10:30.24 | qwerty123 | <speedevil> ssh what?? for what? |
| 10:30.35 | qwerty123 | whats the gain there? |
| 10:30.35 | SpeedEvil | Now, either directly, or through screen - run htop, with a 60s interval. |
| 10:30.50 | SpeedEvil | Then detach - so the process can be _completely_ idle |
| 10:30.53 | qwerty123 | htop is interactive,/// |
| 10:31.22 | SpeedEvil | screen lets you detatch from processes and be able to come back to them later |
| 10:31.28 | qwerty123 | i actualy did pkill -stop for process |
| 10:31.33 | SpeedEvil | Note - the awk is a lie. |
| 10:31.40 | SpeedEvil | In powertop - it's a kernel bug |
| 10:31.45 | qwerty123 | yep! |
| 10:31.53 | qwerty123 | read about it in wiki or tmo. |
| 10:31.55 | SpeedEvil | It should really be somthing like 'cpy_freq_check' |
| 10:32.01 | SpeedEvil | cpu |
| 10:32.09 | SpeedEvil | I submitted a bug - but well... |
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| 10:32.19 | SpeedEvil | I couldn't find out where it occurred in the kernel |
| 10:32.23 | qwerty123 | http://pastebin.com//KxEjbDqa |
| 10:32.30 | qwerty123 | this is my ooutput of then. |
| 10:32.50 | freemangordon | maybe i'll fire IDA up someday and RE powertop |
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| 10:33.43 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> what is ida?? |
| 10:33.44 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 10:33.48 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.57 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure the indexer isn't running? |
| 10:34.06 | psycho_oreos | It's for reverse engineering, turns binaries into ASM. |
| 10:34.06 | jaska | i thinkj powertop is opensource?:D |
| 10:34.14 | SpeedEvil | It's not the same powertop |
| 10:34.18 | jaska | ah |
| 10:34.18 | SpeedEvil | It's not from intel |
| 10:34.18 | freemangordon | jaska: not the one we use on N900 |
| 10:34.33 | qwerty123 | okay well it was running. but the output of c0 is almost same even if i stop it. |
| 10:34.44 | SpeedEvil | I meant to write a replacement for powertop - biut it's looking rather unlikely at the moment |
| 10:35.03 | qwerty123 | <psycho_oreos> oka y thank yu. |
| 10:35.41 | qwerty123 | < speedevil> okay |
| 10:37.33 | psycho_oreos | qwerty123, <SpeedEvil> Are you sure the indexer isn't running? <-- I believe that is directed at you. |
| 10:39.20 | qwerty123 | <psycho_oreos> i know. i replied, even if its stopped, not much of difference in the output. i have tried pkill - 19 trackerd browserd n else and then powertop-ed , the o/p remained almost constant. |
| 10:39.47 | freemangordon | qwerty123: tried to remove SIM and uSD? |
| 10:40.13 | freemangordon | (sorry if I already asked, still having my coffee) |
| 10:40.42 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> yep. c0-> 98.4 n wakeup -> about 33. |
| 10:40.47 | qwerty123 | *313 |
| 10:41.08 | freemangordon | qwerty123: with SIM and uSD removed? |
| 10:41.39 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> those stats are of w/o sim n usd |
| 10:41.47 | freemangordon | qwazix: BTW by saying you reflashed it - did you reflash only rootfs? |
| 10:41.53 | freemangordon | shit |
| 10:42.00 | freemangordon | qwerty123: ^^^ |
| 10:42.04 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> rootfs & emmc. |
| 10:42.24 | freemangordon | I am out of ideas :( |
| 10:42.46 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> just a note here -> using an emmc by some guy, eith 8 gb opt partition. |
| 10:42.53 | qwerty123 | *with |
| 10:43.05 | freemangordon | oh |
| 10:43.21 | freemangordon | try to flash STOCK rootfs and EMMC |
| 10:43.44 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> have stock rootfs, just emmc varied. |
| 10:44.02 | freemangordon | I got that, but still, flash vanilla rootfs and EMMC |
| 10:44.12 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> sure.. will do it tonight maybe.. last thing we are left with.. |
| 10:44.20 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 10:45.21 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> if you can find anything relevant or docscrut* then please post it on tmo thread. i have bumped an old post. |
| 10:45.31 | freemangordon | ok |
| 10:46.55 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> id there is insanelysexy, (though i am nowhere around it :P ) . and thank you all.. <psycho_oreos> <speedevil> |
| 10:49.19 | psycho_oreos | Hmm.. iinm CMT gets erased and flashed during normal flashing procedures, qwerty123 did you notice there was any issues during flashing? like maybe a slowdown during flashing or anything like that? |
| 10:49.51 | qwazix | For a minute I thought there was an impostor hanging around :P |
| 10:50.27 | psycho_oreos | thinks that is just a coincidence :) |
| 10:50.44 | freemangordon | qwazix: sorry, my IRC client is FUBAR :) |
| 10:50.56 | qwazix | freemangordon, no problem! |
| 10:51.42 | freemangordon | qwazix: now you,re here, any progress on gecko Qt UI? |
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| 10:52.50 | qwazix | freemangordon, no sorry I haven't got an inch of time... I was wondering if should drop that task. I'd still like to do it but I'm starting to have doubts if I can deliver |
| 10:53.06 | freemangordon | I see |
| 10:53.36 | freemangordon | qwazix: however, gecko is still not in shape appropriate for n900, so no hurry :) |
| 10:53.55 | qwazix | :nod: |
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| 10:59.05 | FIQ | doesn't microB run gecko? |
| 10:59.12 | FIQ | an outdated version of it |
| 10:59.16 | freemangordon | it does |
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| 10:59.32 | FIQ | can't you just update the engine or would that break microB? |
| 10:59.51 | freemangordon | FIQ: not that easy |
| 11:00.04 | FIQ | not sure how tied the engine is to microB |
| 11:00.12 | freemangordon | FIQ: gtkmozembed(used by microb) was dropped long ago |
| 11:00.29 | freemangordon | ^^^ is simplified picture, but still |
| 11:00.56 | freemangordon | and we'd want webgl and HTML5, former requiring GL accelerated UI |
| 11:01.14 | psycho_oreos | I think timeless was responsible for microB ages ago. |
| 11:01.21 | freemangordon | Unfortunately GTK has no GL acceleration |
| 11:01.29 | FIQ | iirc there's exprimental webgl support |
| 11:01.51 | FIQ | in the current (outdated) version |
| 11:02.13 | freemangordon | there is. ever tried it? |
| 11:02.22 | FIQ | no.. :P |
| 11:02.28 | Lava_Croft | microb looks like a dead end :< |
| 11:02.35 | FIQ | perhaps there's a reason to why it's exprimental |
| 11:03.06 | FIQ | honestly |
| 11:03.27 | FIQ | I only use microB on n900 because the other browsers I've tried lag horribly |
| 11:03.35 | FIQ | and occasionally even crash |
| 11:03.49 | freemangordon | FIQ: see, the problem is that GTK cannot provide GL context, thus any GL drawing should be to an offscreen context with a readback and copying to a pixmap |
| 11:03.56 | freemangordon | and this is slow as hell |
| 11:03.59 | FIQ | (microB likes to crash too, but at least it doesn't lag) |
| 11:04.15 | FIQ | freemangordon: hmm ok |
| 11:04.17 | psycho_oreos | They lag mainly because of preload, they're not well integrated to maemo/hildon structure. There's lighter browsers such as midori for instance. |
| 11:05.09 | freemangordon | finds microb pretty much OK |
| 11:05.29 | psycho_oreos | Tear is another lightweight browser. |
| 11:05.34 | FIQ | freemangordon: me too - but it's incredibly frustrating sometimes |
| 11:05.45 | freemangordon | FIQ: are you on -thumb? |
| 11:06.03 | FIQ | there's some weird bug that occasionally makes microB load pages indefinitely without anything happening |
| 11:06.35 | FIQ | forcing a reboot of the entire phone to solve it as just closing browser windows tend to not fix it |
| 11:06.40 | psycho_oreos | If you have ad block plus installed, it creates huge initial lag. |
| 11:06.46 | FIQ | freemangordon: yes |
| 11:06.50 | Lava_Croft | lol |
| 11:06.53 | Lava_Croft | http://www.ustr.gov/sites/default/files/08032013%20Letter_1.PDF |
| 11:06.56 | freemangordon | ooh, adblockplus is fubar |
| 11:07.00 | Lava_Croft | tl;dr: its ok for apple to infringe samsung, but its not ok for samsung to infringe apple |
| 11:07.03 | FIQ | not using adblock |
| 11:07.07 | Lava_Croft | go Obama |
| 11:07.12 | FIQ | lol Lava_Croft |
| 11:08.05 | psycho_oreos | Obama is probably trying to protect US's interest, naturally Apple is founded in US. |
| 11:08.35 | Lava_Croft | United states of Russian China |
| 11:08.41 | freemangordon | :D |
| 11:09.05 | psycho_oreos | Jesusland. |
| 11:09.09 | Lava_Croft | you know, in the end, Deux Ex will be right |
| 11:09.14 | Lava_Croft | and China ends up as the only 'free' country :D |
| 11:09.30 | psycho_oreos | One up for communism. |
| 11:09.40 | Lava_Croft | deus ex was already right about the WTC, NSA, etc:FD |
| 11:11.26 | Lava_Croft | oh, hahaha |
| 11:11.29 | Lava_Croft | check this: http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/15/news/economy/obama-stocks/index.htm |
| 11:11.37 | Lava_Croft | of course Obama owns a shitload of Apple stock:D |
| 11:12.01 | freemangordon | how surprising |
| 11:12.05 | Lava_Croft | totally! |
| 11:12.26 | Lava_Croft | now you see why its useless that you take to the streets:) |
| 11:12.30 | Lava_Croft | you just end up with better liars:) |
| 11:12.36 | freemangordon | heh |
| 11:12.47 | freemangordon | which is a win after all ;) |
| 11:12.52 | Lava_Croft | you take to the streets because your leaders are stupid |
| 11:12.55 | Lava_Croft | and way too blunt |
| 11:12.59 | Lava_Croft | bad liars:) |
| 11:14.09 | psycho_oreos | Politicians, at least where I live have always been ranked very poorly on the list of trusted/respectable people based on their occupation. |
| 11:14.30 | psycho_oreos | tends to imagine the same wouldn't be different anywhere else. |
| 11:14.49 | freemangordon | I guess it is the same everywhere, the poit is whether they do something useful while stealing |
| 11:14.50 | Lava_Croft | oh, but even if politicians do as the people please, they still get low ratings |
| 11:15.01 | Lava_Croft | thats because the plebs have a tendency to give leaders low ratings because the leaders are inevitably to blame |
| 11:15.15 | Lava_Croft | even in a country like Holland, where you can basically lick the honey off the streets, people still whine |
| 11:15.25 | psycho_oreos | Its more to do with the fact that you can't please everyone. |
| 11:15.32 | Lava_Croft | and the leaders are of course to blame for our oh so poor living conditions (lol) |
| 11:16.07 | psycho_oreos | Probably because they're in the power to might even be able to do something for its people. |
| 11:16.35 | Lava_Croft | they are in power and therefore to blame |
| 11:16.39 | Lava_Croft | and people are whiners:) |
| 11:16.51 | Lava_Croft | they higher their living standards, the more they whine |
| 11:17.10 | Lava_Croft | could probably make an awesome god-game around this concept:D |
| 11:17.36 | psycho_oreos | Where capitalism speaks for itself? |
| 11:17.49 | psycho_oreos | imagines that would crash as often as stock markets would crash. |
| 11:29.43 | zeq1 | Lava_Croft: Expectations of people are relative to the adjusted social norms of their community. Absolute living standards simply aren't relevant to the neurological/psychological perception of what people feel they are entitled to. |
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| 11:29.58 | freemangordon | zeq1: hi!!! |
| 11:30.06 | zeq1 | Hi freemangordon :) |
| 11:30.29 | freemangordon | zeq1: I am still wating latest gcc SB debs, even more now I'm autobuilder maintainer :P |
| 11:30.38 | zeq1 | err. yeah... |
| 11:30.38 | freemangordon | *waiting for |
| 11:31.08 | zeq1 | When I've finished up what I'm currently working on I'll get right to it... |
| 11:32.05 | zeq1 | so what've I missed? |
| 11:32.27 | freemangordon | zeq1: I've just finished cleaning up the mess in autobuilder/package interface left by Nemein, I can start thinking about juicy stuff like extras-thumb ;) |
| 11:32.31 | zeq1 | (Yes, I'm really going to work on it *today*) |
| 11:32.45 | freemangordon | zeq1: autobuilder/package interface works |
| 11:33.15 | zeq1 | so that means we'll be getting more updates? |
| 11:33.19 | freemangordon | zeq1: gecko woth GL accelleration plays youtube stuff with ~20fps |
| 11:33.40 | freemangordon | zeq1: well, we need people to put stuff into autobuilder for that to happen :D |
| 11:33.43 | zeq1 | so close to useful ;) |
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| 11:34.12 | freemangordon | zeq1: yeah, I am waiting upstream to finish yet-another-refactoring to continue on that |
| 11:34.35 | zeq1 | have you tried updating the video driver? |
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| 11:34.52 | freemangordon | zeq1: no, I am not bold enough to do it :D |
| 11:35.00 | freemangordon | but might give it a try soon |
| 11:35.53 | zeq1 | I'm going to get back into maemo hacking... get some practise before my Jolla phone arrives :P |
| 11:36.50 | zeq1 | I didn't deliberately stay away, just seemed to spend a lot of time hacking on Gentoo |
| 11:37.13 | zeq1 | not enough time |
| 11:37.13 | SpeedEvil | Stuff gets in the way :/ |
| 11:37.21 | SpeedEvil | Here it's trying to make the house habitable. |
| 11:37.36 | SpeedEvil | And being exhausted most of the rest of the time. |
| 11:37.41 | zeq1 | yeah, that kind of thing too. |
| 11:37.56 | freemangordon | zeq1: won't be long you'll be back to maemo if my understanding on what jolla phone is is correct ;) |
| 11:38.19 | zeq1 | freemangordon: got a bad feeling about it? |
| 11:38.28 | freemangordon | yeah :( |
| 11:38.29 | SpeedEvil | Well - Jolla isn't coming out in the next several months. |
| 11:38.53 | freemangordon | I feel this will be more closed than Harmattan |
| 11:39.02 | zeq1 | we'll see |
| 11:39.09 | freemangordon | yup |
| 11:39.15 | zeq1 | I'd be surprised though |
| 11:39.29 | SpeedEvil | Absolute worst case, I can buy it and flip it on ebay. |
| 11:39.44 | zeq1 | yep |
| 11:39.44 | SpeedEvil | I really, really, really hope that's not the case, and I don't think it's going to be. |
| 11:39.53 | freemangordon | zeq1: why, those are the same guys that made Harm? |
| 11:40.00 | zeq1 | there's no way they'll kill off developer interest like that IMO |
| 11:40.22 | zeq1 | the *need* the community |
| 11:40.25 | SpeedEvil | The problem with Harm isn't really the technology at all. |
| 11:40.31 | SpeedEvil | It's the policy. |
| 11:40.35 | freemangordon | zeq1: are you aware they thrown away X in favour of wayland in the latest SDK? |
| 11:40.51 | SpeedEvil | Add the ability to add community repos - and mostly great. |
| 11:40.52 | zeq1 | that's not a problem at all though |
| 11:41.03 | zeq1 | nothing wrong with wayland |
| 11:41.04 | freemangordon | zeq1: technically it is not |
| 11:41.30 | freemangordon | the point is how they treat the developers |
| 11:41.45 | zeq1 | you mean the unannounced change? |
| 11:41.47 | freemangordon | at least this is my understanding |
| 11:41.59 | freemangordon | it's been announced, so what? |
| 11:42.12 | zeq1 | that's what I'm asking you :) |
| 11:42.43 | freemangordon | see, they released alpha SDK half an year ago, with X |
| 11:42.55 | SpeedEvil | http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=1879299#p1879299 - needs to be read and thought about by those involved. I hope most of them already have an understanding of the issues. |
| 11:42.57 | zeq1 | why is it a problem they switched to wayland? it was originally the intention as I recall, but the kept with X because they thought the phone would be ready some time ago...; |
| 11:43.08 | SpeedEvil | - The openmoko saga |
| 11:43.40 | freemangordon | zeq1: my point is - it is not a good idea to make such big changes half the way |
| 11:43.48 | freemangordon | politically |
| 11:43.59 | freemangordon | I am not saying wayland is a bad thing |
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| 11:44.46 | SpeedEvil | At some point you've got to balance that against the problems of making changes in your next phone. |
| 11:44.55 | freemangordon | but IMO the correct thing to do was to release their first device as initially planned and to make that change later. |
| 11:45.05 | SpeedEvil | If, for example - you get this phone out using X - and _then_ change - you cause major problems. |
| 11:45.06 | zeq1 | freemangordon: there is another way of looking at it. They could have stuck with X for the first phone, then switched to wayland. But that would have meant it was an orphan... |
| 11:45.18 | SpeedEvil | See above openmoko issues. |
| 11:45.28 | SpeedEvil | Changing toolkits was one of the major problems there. |
| 11:45.54 | freemangordon | well, I can;t be completely wrong on that one, I just have that feeling :) |
| 11:45.59 | freemangordon | can even |
| 11:46.48 | zeq1 | let's hope so :) |
| 11:46.58 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 11:47.32 | SpeedEvil | Let's hope by Xmas 2014 Jolla and Ubuntu phones have more market share than windows. |
| 11:48.02 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 11:48.14 | zeq1 | could happen |
| 11:48.19 | SpeedEvil | And that Nokia releases the N960 finally,after stopping being silly. |
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| 11:48.35 | zeq1 | not so sure about that |
| 11:48.48 | freemangordon | however, i won;t give up on my n900 until someone makes a device with FM Tx |
| 11:49.12 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil: are you high? :P |
| 11:49.19 | psycho_oreos | N960 lol.. probably windows powered. |
| 11:49.33 | SpeedEvil | freemangordon: Alas - I suspect the latter is even less likely than the former two. |
| 11:49.38 | zeq1 | n900 has some nice hw features FM tx especially |
| 11:50.15 | freemangordon | FM Tx is a must for me, actually this was the reason I bought n900 in the first place |
| 11:50.30 | freemangordon | well, the major reason |
| 11:51.07 | Hurrian | …Nokia's been on the payola a /lot/ recently |
| 11:51.19 | psycho_oreos | payola? |
| 11:51.50 | Hurrian | psycho_oreos: if you've watched any recent movie, there's a prominently featured Lumia in it |
| 11:51.50 | zeq1 | http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/multi.php?mycode=USBFMT&gclid=CL_Ph4Hd47gCFcfJtAod8RUAeg |
| 11:52.02 | zeq1 | hacking possibilities? |
| 11:52.53 | zeq1 | Hurrian: also lots of US TV series, MS Surfaces too |
| 11:53.09 | zeq1 | I doubt it makes much of difference to sales though |
| 11:53.11 | freemangordon | zeq1: won;t do the job for me, the only real alternative is BT A2DP->FMTx |
| 11:53.32 | freemangordon | Which I was unable to find by the time I was searching for |
| 11:53.40 | psycho_oreos | Hurrian, lol that very much reminds me of how n8 was being featured in some sci-fi movie. Too bad I don't watch hollywood movies all that often. |
| 11:54.08 | zeq1 | freemangordon: some on ebay |
| 11:54.35 | freemangordon | cuold be, however it is way better if integrated (fmtx) |
| 11:55.02 | freemangordon | zeq1: keep in mind I was looking for such a device before I bought n900 |
| 11:55.07 | zeq1 | that's what I meant about hacking above. take the usb stick apart and wire it internally |
| 11:55.16 | freemangordon | so I guess there is some progress for the last ~4 years :D |
| 11:55.23 | FIQ | <freemangordon> FIQ: are you on -thumb? |
| 11:55.24 | FIQ | how so? |
| 11:55.37 | freemangordon | zeq1: ooh, I got it now :) |
| 11:55.58 | psycho_oreos | FIQ, you'd know if you're on -thumb :) aka. CSSU-Thumb. |
| 11:56.29 | FIQ | I'm on thumb yes, but I don't exactly see how that makes browsing different |
| 11:56.53 | freemangordon | FIQ: ooh, it makes it |
| 11:56.54 | zeq1 | microb doesn't run out of memory so quickly (and works faster) :) |
| 11:56.57 | psycho_oreos | Its supposed to make things work a bit faster being thumb optimised. |
| 11:57.19 | FIQ | ah |
| 11:57.23 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: a bit? stock microb and thumb microb are uncomparabe |
| 11:57.26 | zeq1 | you quickly forget what it was like before though... (normalisation) |
| 11:57.32 | FIQ | yeah |
| 11:57.32 | freemangordon | exactly |
| 11:57.37 | FIQ | that's probably it |
| 11:57.44 | FIQ | because it was a while ago I installed it.. :P |
| 11:58.09 | psycho_oreos | freemangordon, *shrugs* I still haven't tried out -thumb yet. :D |
| 11:58.32 | freemangordon | any particular reason? |
| 11:59.09 | psycho_oreos | Waiting for majority of packages to get -thumb optimised. |
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| 11:59.33 | psycho_oreos | Plus I sort of like kp52 as well :D |
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| 11:59.59 | LjL-Alps | psycho_oreos: but you can use kp52 with thumb, can't you |
| 12:00.07 | freemangordon | Nokia-N900:~# free |
| 12:00.09 | freemangordon | total used free shared buffers |
| 12:00.11 | freemangordon | Mem: 235252 226324 8928 0 3820 |
| 12:00.14 | freemangordon | Swap: 1846704 205484 1641220 |
| 12:00.16 | freemangordon | Total: 2081956 431808 1650148 |
| 12:00.18 | freemangordon | Nokia-N900:~# uptime |
| 12:00.20 | freemangordon | 15:00:18 up 14 days, 16:45, load average: 0.36, 0.09, 0.02 |
| 12:00.22 | freemangordon | Nokia-N900:~# uname -a |
| 12:00.24 | freemangordon | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-cssu3 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 28 18:05:05 EDT 2012 armv7l unknown |
| 12:00.32 | Lava_Croft | who needs pastebin |
| 12:00.40 | freemangordon | well, this is short |
| 12:00.44 | freemangordon | I guess :D |
| 12:00.51 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, yeah but that means the kernel isn't thumb optimised. |
| 12:01.04 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: there is NO thumb-compiled kernel |
| 12:01.29 | freemangordon | 2.6.28 just can't be thumb-compiled |
| 12:01.29 | psycho_oreos | freemangordon, o.O |
| 12:01.29 | LjL-Alps | freemangordon: how do you even use FM TX, i tried it yesterday after getting the patched fmtx, kp52, fm-boost... and my radio could still not tune it, at all. only way i've got it to work was by having the phone touch the antenna :( |
| 12:01.41 | LjL-Alps | psycho_oreos, i think it is, since kp51? |
| 12:01.55 | freemangordon | LjL-Alps: change your radio :P |
| 12:02.04 | freemangordon | you need to find a free frequency |
| 12:02.05 | LjL-Alps | freemangordon: tried with a few receivers... |
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| 12:02.25 | LjL-Alps | freemangordon: yeah, that's an issue. back in Milan, everything was crammed full - but i was hoping now it'd be easier to find a free one and it'd work |
| 12:02.30 | Lava_Croft | i use fm transmitter on the default 88.1 all the time, works fine on the car stereo |
| 12:02.31 | zeq1 | fm tx really needs RDS AF |
| 12:02.44 | freemangordon | LjL-Alps: remove fm-boost, you do;t need it and it only will bring problems |
| 12:02.59 | freemangordon | zeq1: afaik it is supported by HW |
| 12:03.03 | LjL-Alps | freemangordon: ok. what about the other guy fmtx-faker, i'm not entirely sure what that is |
| 12:03.13 | LjL-Alps | zeq1: what is AF, i don't quite remember |
| 12:03.22 | zeq1 | Alternative Frequency |
| 12:03.28 | LjL-Alps | zeq1: the signal to "switch to this other frequency please"? |
| 12:03.31 | freemangordon | me neither, that is why I don;t install SW I have NFC about ;) |
| 12:03.45 | LjL-Alps | freemangordon, eh |
| 12:03.47 | zeq1 | LjL-Alps: yup |
| 12:03.55 | freemangordon | iirc there is a scanner which finds the best frequency to use |
| 12:04.05 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, I think fmtx-faker is to allow one to enable FM transmitter on I think certain models and/or firmware restricting FM transmission. |
| 12:04.07 | freemangordon | I can't remember the name though |
| 12:04.31 | psycho_oreos | freemangordon, no apparent lags with that huge uptime even if and when someone calls? |
| 12:04.32 | zeq1 | In principle AF allows you to set the frequency on the phone and have the radio automatically retune to it |
| 12:04.45 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: yup |
| 12:05.01 | LjL-Alps | freemangordon: yes, EFF, although i'm confused - i saw screenshots of it that looked lik one thing, but then i installed it, and it appears to be a Zenity script that looks quite different |
| 12:05.01 | LjL-Alps | at any rate, the one i have didn't work, it's looking for something in /proc or /sys that it isn't finding, i think |
| 12:05.05 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: and usually I have opera loaded all the tim |
| 12:05.07 | LjL-Alps | zeq1: right. but... you need something to scan free frequencies, and i think i read that the N900's TX can't work together with the RX |
| 12:05.13 | freemangordon | (I use it asw a book reader) |
| 12:05.51 | LjL-Alps | speaking of RDS, would it be possible to receive TMC? |
| 12:05.59 | LjL-Alps | (Traffic Message Channel) |
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| 12:06.13 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: the only time I had missed call on my device was when I installed speedpatch to see WTF it is :D |
| 12:06.55 | Lava_Croft | should put big banners above the threads of noobtraps like speedpatch |
| 12:07.40 | psycho_oreos | freemangordon, D: .. hmm "2.6.28.10-cssu3" different kernel tags. What about stuff like wl1251 and compat-wireless? |
| 12:07.46 | freemangordon | Lava_Croft: AFAIK someone remove that crap from the repos, thanks god |
| 12:07.50 | LjL-Alps | should make better documentation in general, Maemo is fun, but it's a nightmare to sort information out :P |
| 12:07.57 | LjL-Alps | i say that as someone who just got his first N900 a few days ago |
| 12:07.57 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: coming with the kernel ;) |
| 12:08.04 | zeq1 | psycho_oreos: KP works fine with thumb |
| 12:08.08 | zeq1 | I use it here |
| 12:08.11 | freemangordon | that one too |
| 12:08.21 | freemangordon | anything > 51r1 |
| 12:08.34 | psycho_oreos | freemangordon, coming with the kernel ? what? for "2.6.28.10-cssu3"? |
| 12:08.51 | freemangordon | yep, it comes with wifi-compat drivers in /opt |
| 12:09.07 | freemangordon | compiled with it |
| 12:09.11 | freemangordon | *for |
| 12:09.29 | zeq1 | freemangordon: I noticed the kernel patch I made landed in kp |
| 12:09.29 | LjL-Alps | is the injection-capable wifi driver also better than the standard driver for normal usage, or? |
| 12:09.30 | psycho_oreos | ahh that would be the same with what kp52 already now has. |
| 12:09.51 | psycho_oreos | zeq1, yeah though freemangordon had a noticeably different kernel "tag" :) |
| 12:10.28 | freemangordon | zeq1: yeah |
| 12:10.28 | zeq1 | is off to make lunch |
| 12:10.48 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, last I checked it was worse for normal usage but that was awhile ago (when you had to grab it from lxp's site). |
| 12:11.11 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: "my" kernel is based on top of kp51r1 |
| 12:11.40 | freemangordon | it just have the uninstaller removed, and different signiture ofc |
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| 12:14.26 | psycho_oreos | freemangordon, you're really tempting me to enable -thumb lol. One last question, I have kp52 plus a few of Pali's stuff on it (currently only the newer USB "mode switch" which allows switching between host and guest mode). Would that stuff still work along with doing things with USB hostmode? |
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| 12:15.31 | psycho_oreos | guesses in theory it shouldn't affect it. |
| 12:15.43 | ecc3g | looks for a USB wifi adapter that's supported by kp52 ... |
| 12:16.03 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: yep |
| 12:16.27 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: kernel won;t be replaced |
| 12:16.38 | ecc3g | looks for a USB wifi adapter that's supported by kp52 that supports access point mode ... |
| 12:16.41 | freemangordon | as KP52 provides everything cssu-thumb needs |
| 12:17.56 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: just make sure you have a backup, it seems lots of guys were hitted by a fs corruption remained unnoticed until they did a big update |
| 12:19.00 | psycho_oreos | freemangordon, ahh completely unrelated as I thought initially but sort of hesitated. Hmm alright I'll go backup using backupmenu before grabbing -thumb. Thanks! |
| 12:19.13 | freemangordon | yep, just for sure |
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| 12:23.08 | psycho_oreos | In either case I guess I needed to backup, I've sort of already reached a milestone in my own setup. This pretty much just enforces me to do it more, hopefully it all goes well (and then I can roll it out on my other N900s) :D |
| 12:24.32 | psycho_oreos | ecc3g, maybe rt2570 if its already compiled in with the rest of the compat-wireless. |
| 12:24.39 | LjL-Alps | i should probably try the FMTX with my RTLSDR |
| 12:24.55 | LjL-Alps | what is compat-wireless? |
| 12:25.14 | psycho_oreos | kernel wireless backports to make it work with older kernel versions. |
| 12:25.39 | freemangordon | worse than stock for everyday usage |
| 12:25.48 | LjL-Alps | ok :) |
| 12:25.50 | freemangordon | but supports packet injection |
| 12:26.01 | LjL-Alps | i'm scared of injections :P |
| 12:26.02 | psycho_oreos | Yeah but that's for wl1251 specifically :) |
| 12:26.09 | freemangordon | sure :) |
| 12:26.42 | psycho_oreos | You do know what packet injection is for IEEE 802.11 stuff right LjL-Alps? :) |
| 12:27.37 | LjL-Alps | hey, does the SUPL-related package there is in CSSU-Devel somehow magically fix A-GPS? its description merely says it replaces supl.nokia.com with supl.google.com, but when i did that manually, it didn't help at all, while now, GPS does seem to lock much faster |
| 12:27.38 | LjL-Alps | psycho_oreos: yes, i was just kidding |
| 12:28.10 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, oh :x |
| 12:29.25 | psycho_oreos | I believe the suggestion to change from supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com was suggested way before it was to be "enforced" in CSSU-Devel. It was a long standing issue. |
| 12:30.42 | LjL-Alps | psycho_oreos: yes, but during the past few days, apparently, even supl.google.com stopped working (there's a fresh TMO thread about that), and in fact, it didn't seem to help for me. but this package did. |
| 12:31.14 | LjL-Alps | of course i'd say something more specific than "this package" if i remembered its name :P |
| 12:31.51 | psycho_oreos | Long ago when I was using supl.nokia.com it never locked on. When I changed to supl.google.com as per tmo threads suggested back then, locking on was only slightly slower than getting some bluetooth GPS device. |
| 12:32.21 | psycho_oreos | LjL-Alps, I think that's just coincidential. Yes I did also read up threads about supl.google.com not working temporarily. |
| 12:33.07 | LjL-Alps | ah, could be |
| 12:34.13 | freemangordon | just tried with location widget, got lock in ~15 seconds |
| 12:34.26 | psycho_oreos | Besides if supl.google.com doesn't work.. 1) What other free alternatives that would work as ideally fast as supl.google.com? 2) Wouldn't there be some sort of android update that google would use in a bid to get rid of nokia "freeloaders"? :) |
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| 12:35.25 | freemangordon | apparently supl.google.com works |
| 12:36.09 | psycho_oreos | Yeah I'd say at the time when it didn't work temporarily was only coincidential. I never bothered to try it out at the time and I can't try it out now (still doing backup). |
| 12:36.45 | kerio | psycho_oreos: i doubt n900s are a significant portion of the supl.google.com users |
| 12:37.30 | psycho_oreos | kerio, no but I didn't specifically mention that either :) there are other nokia users *cough*symbian*cough*. |
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| 12:38.16 | psycho_oreos | Rather other nokia users using supl.google.com that are running on symbian platform. |
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| 12:42.13 | jean_brat | hi.. i have an bluetooth keyboard " logitech bluetooth keyboard for ipad" when paird with N900.. only the character keys works.. numbers wont work.. |
| 12:42.25 | kerio | have you installed extkbd? |
| 12:42.28 | jean_brat | i tried different keyboard layout in settings |
| 12:42.28 | freemangordon | jean_brat: tried extkbd? |
| 12:42.33 | kerio | he tried |
| 12:42.39 | kerio | ...i think |
| 12:42.40 | jean_brat | yes through extkbd |
| 12:42.57 | freemangordon | jean_brat: try harder until you find the correct layout |
| 12:43.19 | jean_brat | there are number of combinations of layout.. it takes huge time try all of them one by one |
| 12:43.26 | freemangordon | I know :( |
| 12:43.57 | freemangordon | jean_brat: connect it to your desktop linux and try to find the correct one from there |
| 12:44.42 | jean_brat | http://barefootconcepts.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Logitech-Tablet-Keyboard05.jpg |
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| 12:44.50 | jean_brat | this is what i have. any idea? |
| 12:45.28 | freemangordon | hmm, looks similar to my apple alluminium kbd |
| 12:45.34 | freemangordon | lemme check what I use |
| 12:46.36 | freemangordon | layout: "generic 105-key(intl) PC) |
| 12:46.59 | freemangordon | first language: "USA variant intl" |
| 12:47.11 | freemangordon | jean_brat: try ^^^ |
| 12:47.27 | jean_brat | http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/tablet-keyboard-ipad |
| 12:47.32 | jean_brat | this is the correct one |
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| 12:49.01 | freemangordon | jean_brat: still looks similar to http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ |
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| 12:54.10 | jean_brat | freemangordon, that apple layout which u pasted the link is correct accept the top most row is not present in this keyboard |
| 12:54.27 | jean_brat | generic 105 is not working :( |
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| 12:56.34 | jean_brat | strangly.. when it asks me to enter the number .. from keyboard while pairing .. it takes the numbers from the keyboard.. how ever number keys wont function after pairing |
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| 13:00.27 | jean_brat | freemangordon, ok.. now i have paired it with Debian.. and everything works like it should be in this linux.. now how do i find out the correct layout from here? |
| 13:02.27 | freemangordon | jean_brat: not using debian so not sure, but I guess you should check in keyboard settings |
| 13:02.37 | Lava_Croft | grrr |
| 13:02.45 | Lava_Croft | i wish mafw wouldnt suck at playing internet radio |
| 13:03.03 | LjL-Alps | Mer/Nemo looks interesting... and annoying |
| 13:03.27 | Lava_Croft | its hard to beat Maemo5 when it comes to mobile computer UX |
| 13:03.35 | psycho_oreos | Aren't they a bit old school? heh |
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| 13:21.40 | LjL-Alps | psycho_oreos: what, Mer and Nemo? they are less old school than Maemo for sure. note i'm talking about the current Mer/Nemo, not the old Maemo-like thing |
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| 13:22.25 | LjL-Alps | i think i will have to visit #android, i did something that apparently messed up my GPS :\ |
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| 13:56.13 | LjL-Alps | is there anywhere i can see recent additions/updates to "all" the repositories (i mean including extras-devel, cssu-testing, cssu-devel, and whatever might be used by many people), aside from my own FAM client? |
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| 14:59.56 | DrCode | I want to port kali linux to maemo , I have found some guide here: http://docs.kali.org/armel-armhf/kali-linux-arm-chroot |
| 14:59.58 | DrCode | can it work for n900? |
| 15:00.02 | DrCode | any one did it? |
| 15:00.45 | DrCode | what cpu do I need to choose? armhf or armel? |
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| 15:17.24 | trx | armel |
| 15:18.10 | freemangordon | trx: both should work |
| 15:18.32 | freemangordon | armhf being faster on FP ops |
| 15:19.00 | trx | i thought n900 doesnt support hf? |
| 15:19.43 | freemangordon | fremanle is what doesn't support hardfp as it is compiled for softfp |
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| 15:20.28 | trx | hah |
| 15:20.36 | trx | thanks for clarifying that |
| 15:20.50 | freemangordon | trx: for example Nemo is hardfp compiled |
| 15:21.08 | DrCode | ok |
| 15:21.16 | DrCode | it will make image for using with qchroot? |
| 15:21.16 | DrCode | like bt5.img? |
| 15:21.24 | SAiF | can anybody confirm whether local languages are supported in n900 rss feeds or not.. |
| 15:22.31 | freemangordon | DrCode: and I guess it is thumb-compiled, along with being armhf |
| 15:23.00 | freemangordon | DrCode: you'll need ATM thumb errata workaround enabled in the kernel |
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| 15:24.10 | DrCode | is there guide how it be done in debian? |
| 15:24.20 | DrCode | I want to get ready boot image |
| 15:25.00 | SAiF | and can anyone tell me how to change the color scheme of xchat on n900, i can only hardly read.. |
| 15:25.47 | freemangordon | DrCode: not I am aware of |
| 15:26.08 | freemangordon | DrCode: well, there is Ubuntu images |
| 15:31.58 | DrCode | ok |
| 15:31.58 | DrCode | thankyou |
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| 15:37.25 | Lava_Croft | SAiF: the same way you change colour schemes in xchat on pc |
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| 15:38.14 | Lava_Croft | SAiF: usually its smarter to first look in Menu-> Settings |
| 15:38.21 | Lava_Croft | chuckles |
| 15:46.41 | SAiF | well it have a lot more options than i need |
| 15:47.06 | SAiF | and most of them arent responding, |
| 15:47.45 | SAiF | i mean the color choosing ones... i guess i have to check pc to find out how it should have worked |
| 15:48.13 | SAiF | afk, 27th night of ramadan |
| 15:58.01 | Lava_Croft | the more you figure out yourself, the higher your awesome meter! |
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| 16:53.10 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon |
| 16:53.16 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> there?? |
| 16:53.23 | freemangordon | almost :) |
| 16:53.33 | freemangordon | qwerty123: ^^^ |
| 16:53.35 | qwerty123 | a new problem |
| 16:53.43 | freemangordon | hmm? |
| 16:54.09 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> unable to retrieve ip. it was working fine before flashing. and i have a dynamic ip. |
| 16:54.19 | qwerty123 | so cant manually configure t. |
| 16:54.50 | freemangordon | qwerty123: check your router |
| 16:55.08 | qwerty123 | using computer to create access point. |
| 16:55.15 | qwerty123 | <freemangordon> |
| 16:56.17 | freemangordon | well, check your computer then :). I can't think of a reason for n900 to be unable to obtain IP if DHCP sever is OK |
| 16:56.37 | freemangordon | is that ad-hoc? |
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| 16:57.14 | qwerty123 | freemangordon: nothing for dynamic ip on tmo. it was working well with cssu with same setting just before i had flashed. tried now to connect to wif, this problem. |
| 16:57.35 | qwerty123 | freemangordon: not adhoc. netsh wlan start hostednetwork |
| 16:57.39 | qwerty123 | in cmd. |
| 16:57.45 | freemangordon | qwerty123: got it, but still I doubt it is N900 to blame |
| 16:58.05 | qwerty123 | freemangordon: it workked on the same settings till morning. |
| 16:59.58 | freemangordon | qwerty123: well, try to remove and add the connection |
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| 17:13.30 | qwerty123 | freemangordon: thaks for your time. it was my unbridged broadband and wifi that was causing this problem!! |
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| 18:11.46 | LjL-Alps | isn't there an easily accessible way to switch tasks when the current one isn't kind enough to offer a status bar? the way i found so far is power button, Phone... but that's not too sensible |
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| 18:13.46 | psycho_oreos | Try Sym/Ctrl + Backspace. |
| 18:15.47 | DrCode | hi all |
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| 18:18.16 | DrCode | when Im in chroot I am inside debian ? and not maemo ,I cant break maemo os? |
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| 18:18.49 | psycho_oreos | You can't, that's what chroot is for. |
| 18:20.09 | DrCode | ok , if I build my own image I will need to use lxde? |
| 18:20.51 | psycho_oreos | Probably not a necessity. |
| 18:21.50 | DrCode | ok , thnkyou |
| 18:22.25 | freemangordon | LjL-Alps: install shortcutd |
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| 18:42.16 | peterbjornx | NIN101: have you still got the tarball version of your rescue rootfs for the Nokia N900? |
| 18:43.06 | peterbjornx | i'm in dire need of a way to fix my phone on the road, without having access to micro-usb or images |
| 18:43.40 | peterbjornx | my phone hangs with X running but no clients besides the touch-buzzer thingy |
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| 18:51.24 | NIN101 | well the problem is you won't be able to boot it. |
| 18:52.05 | NIN101 | because it needs flasher to be loaded |
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| 18:52.55 | freemangordon | NIN101: wouldn't u-boot do the job? |
| 18:53.21 | freemangordon | (if installed ofc) |
| 18:54.29 | peterbjornx | i got uboot and a card thats configured to boot into its 3rd partition |
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| 18:54.42 | NIN101 | well, I have never tried it with u-boot. |
| 18:54.48 | peterbjornx | but i found your beta version initrd, im now trying to get that to work |
| 18:55.54 | NIN101 | I don't have a tarball version of the recent versions, however you can just unpack/mount the cramfs initrd fiile. |
| 18:58.23 | peterbjornx | yeah, im doing that now |
| 18:58.59 | peterbjornx | i asked cause i thought all your versions were on the now nonexistent domain nim101.uni.<something> |
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| 19:48.34 | kerio | aww, peterbjornx left |
| 19:49.42 | kerio | NIN101: uboot will happily load your kernel and initrd as kernel and initrd |
| 19:50.08 | kerio | with no need to unpack anything |
| 19:50.32 | kerio | do you want the uboot .item file? |
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| 19:52.08 | NIN101 | kerio: well, you can post it on TMO. |
| 19:53.16 | kerio | that would require me to go on TMO |
| 19:54.38 | NIN101 | oh yeah, it's very irresponsible from me to ask you to do that. So just pastebin in, and I will put it to the git repo. |
| 19:55.34 | kerio | http://acehack.de/~kerio/99-rescueos.item |
| 19:56.09 | freemangordon | kerio: lazy, eh? |
| 19:58.26 | kerio | freemangordon: scp is faster than pastebinit |
| 20:00.35 | kerio | unless you mean for the tmo thing |
| 20:00.41 | kerio | in which case |
| 20:00.42 | kerio | ~tmo |
| 20:00.42 | infobot | somebody said tmo was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. |
| 20:00.52 | kerio | mh |
| 20:00.54 | kerio | ~tm0 |
| 20:00.54 | infobot | from memory, tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans |
| 20:02.05 | mckenzba | ~nuke himself |
| 20:02.05 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at himself ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 20:02.37 | NIN101 | kerio: https://github.com/NIN101/N900_RescueOS/blob/master/uboot_item_by_kerio. |
| 20:02.55 | kerio | *herself |
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| 20:05.28 | kerio | NIN101: i want no part of this D: |
| 20:06.47 | kerio | NIN101: anyway, i'm not sure if the .item extension matters |
| 20:06.56 | NIN101 | well, can't be bothered. |
| 20:07.35 | kerio | stop the unauthorized use of my name immediately! it's trademarked! |
| 20:07.47 | kerio | ...it's probably actually trademarked actually |
| 20:08.22 | kerio | "kerio" is a thing |
| 20:09.17 | kerio | NIN101: anyway, whenever you change the name of the initrd you should change the relevant line in that file |
| 20:10.01 | NIN101 | probably true, some won't figure it out. |
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