| 00:03.01 | psycho_oreos | Well.. that was rather abrupt. |
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| 01:22.06 | SAiF | DocScrutinizer51: you there? |
| 01:36.41 | SAiF | DocScrutinizer05: you there? |
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| 01:53.54 | SAiF | anyone.. here? |
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| 02:24.42 | ebzzry | freemangordon: cssu-testing consistently does not work with me. :-( |
| 02:24.53 | ebzzry | that means no camera-ui2 :-( |
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| 04:42.59 | SAiF | slider magnet pictures.. pls |
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| 04:58.36 | psycho_oreos | SAiF, http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=v6tbvp&s=7 from: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=64949 |
| 05:00.05 | psycho_oreos | When I searched for "magnet; N900" there were some pointers that you might be able to use a replacement magnet from underneath where the kickstand is. |
| 05:07.17 | SAiF | yes, I reflashed and still problem persists. I tried sliding an external magnet from Q to P and it worked? |
| 05:08.24 | SAiF | I guess there is another magnet on the other half also.. |
| 05:09.01 | SAiF | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=64949 |
| 05:09.26 | SAiF | just now I saw that you already posted that link.. lol |
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| 05:11.26 | SAiF | I guess one of them is missing... |
| 05:11.44 | psycho_oreos | If it worked, then your dmesg output should show slide (GPIO 71) is now {open, closed} |
| 05:12.42 | psycho_oreos | The latter link (which is the same as you've just pasted), shows that there's a magnet and a sensor. Not exactly two magnets from those area, there is however another magnet underneath where the kickstand is. |
| 05:12.48 | SAiF | i need root right? |
| 05:13.01 | psycho_oreos | "dmesg" command doesn't need root iirc. |
| 05:14.51 | psycho_oreos | Also, thinking about the issue, if you put a magnet (doesn't necessarily require to be nokia accessory) near where the sensor is and if it works and you see "dmesg" showing slide is now open or closed. Its a good sign that the sensor is not working albeit the magnet maybe missing. |
| 05:15.18 | psycho_oreos | s/not working// |
| 05:15.31 | psycho_oreos | s/not// |
| 05:15.50 | psycho_oreos | ffs PEBKAC. |
| 05:16.05 | psycho_oreos | ~botsnack |
| 05:16.05 | infobot | psycho_oreos: aw, gee |
| 05:17.08 | psycho_oreos | I.e. the issue is not the sensor not functioning, the sensor is doing its job. If anything its the magnet that is either missing or something else to do with the magnet itself. |
| 05:17.48 | SAiF | which one is the magnet, the one in front panel or the one inside? |
| 05:18.46 | psycho_oreos | There was a youtube video that I saw (whilst searching before) of a guy using a regular magnet and held it near the screen. The screen lit up whenever the guy moved the magnet down and screen shut off when he did the opposite (i.e. moved up). |
| 05:19.24 | psycho_oreos | According to the photos that I mentioned before, the one inside (might be underneath the screen near its "cover" area). |
| 05:20.52 | psycho_oreos | Its not in the front panel (where the keyboard is). If you look at the photos closely you will see its beneath where the screen is, there is a guard surrounding the screen and there's a little silver piece of metal which the author of that photo indicated as the magnet). |
| 05:21.53 | psycho_oreos | Guard or frame, whatever you may wish to call it. I'm guessing the technician didn't realise there was a magnet when you had to get your digitizer serviced/replaced. |
| 05:22.39 | SAiF | in office.. |
| 05:23.07 | psycho_oreos | What do you mean? |
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| 06:45.40 | psycho_oreos | Some really interesting stuff on tmo that probably isn't well documented on wmo. I recall reading about people mirroring wmo, who knows if they realised there's plenty more useful information on wmo. I was just reading stuff about broken USB ports on N900 and there's another workaround instead of having to try and resolder the original microUSB back in its place. Inevitably the methods mentioned aren't probably within average user's reach. |
| 06:49.53 | psycho_oreos | ~usbfix |
| 06:49.53 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 06:51.04 | DrCode | hi all |
| 06:51.06 | DrCode | I can use mkfs.vfat to sdcard and then use it in maemo? |
| 06:51.08 | DrCode | what format type dose maemo uses in sdcard? |
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| 07:00.50 | psycho_oreos | Hmm looks like I got beat lol *sigh*. |
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| 07:25.42 | psycho_oreos | 1) cat /proc/filesystems 2) Format the microSD using File Manager and find out via mount what it uses. Alternatively, asking the right questions on forum search will yield you the result you were after, a bit of common sense would be desirable. |
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| 09:26.30 | Iridos | reading news like e.g. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/01/hacker-sim-card-flaws-leave-hundreds-of-millions-of-phones-vulnerable-to-attack/ ... is there a way to query from the N900 what encryption the sim card uses? |
| 09:26.41 | Iridos | also... what? sim cards have java programs running on them? |
| 09:31.37 | jon_y | yup |
| 09:31.49 | jon_y | mini jvm inside |
| 09:32.38 | jon_y | also, bluray menu is in java, I think |
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| 09:38.13 | Iridos | so is there anything to play around with the simcard, query info of it, maybe run stuff on it.... whatever? |
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| 09:47.45 | jon_y | I think those are proprietary Nokia stuff |
| 09:47.57 | jon_y | no direct access to sim from usermode |
| 09:48.44 | Iridos | pity |
| 09:59.55 | Lava_Croft | n900 is a linux computer, but its a linux computer born in the decrepit world of mobile communications |
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| 10:37.59 | SAiF | phsyco_oreos: sorry to leave in a hurry, I was in office, anyway. I talked to the technician and he told me that he might have missed the magnet, Any way he will take a look at it on monday. |
| 10:38.57 | SAiF | and is there any command where I can check whether the halfpress of camera key is working or not? |
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| 10:47.24 | ShadowJK | 'dmesg' will have cam_focus in it |
| 10:47.35 | ShadowJK | (press half, type dmesg enter) |
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| 11:10.00 | DrCode | thanks |
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| 11:25.17 | Iridos | something unrelated I wonder about... when connecting to eduroam, does the phone check the validity of the server against the present certificates ... and is there a simple way for me to check if it happens (only thing I can think of is removing all certificates, see if it still connects... even then... could have some certificate I don't see) |
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| 13:40.43 | Iridos | guess nobody has an idea |
| 13:42.24 | kerio | Lava_Croft: the n900 is a linux computer that has a proprietary hw phone module |
| 13:49.44 | Lava_Croft | among a host of other proprietary software |
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| 14:04.13 | Iridos | have a good weekend |
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| 14:48.51 | LjL | what are the pressure-sensitive drawing apps (and possibly other high-quality painting-related apps) for OS2008 and Maemo 5? i know of MyPaint (which only appears to have 0.5.1 available for OS2008, which doesn't work very well) and Xournal |
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| 14:53.55 | kerio | we have pressure sensors? :O |
| 14:55.20 | LjL | kerio, not as in barometric pressure, as in stylus pressure ;) |
| 14:55.24 | kerio | i know |
| 14:55.36 | kerio | i didn't know the n900 digitizer could do that |
| 14:56.02 | LjL | yeah it can, it's not a dramatic effect (i.e. not a huge range of pressures) but it's there |
| 14:56.37 | LjL | i have a friend who's good at drawing with graphics tablets, and i thought i could recommend he get a cheap N810, which to me - given appropriate software - seems quite suited to drawing |
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| 15:08.01 | LjL | also - any clue why my FM transmitter refuses to work? i'm running CSSU testing, standard kernel (or whatever kernel comes with CSSU... i need to ask about the kernel later), have tried this fmtx-faker and fm-boost, but i just hear nothing at all on my radio even if i keep the phone touching the radio's antenna |
| 15:08.15 | LjL | can it be something about location? |
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| 15:10.24 | LjL | i also see there is a new fmtx-middleware in CSSU-Devel |
| 15:14.07 | Hurrian | sledgeSim, all: http://goput.it/u7n.jpg |
| 15:14.48 | Hurrian | whoops, wrong channel |
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| 15:28.22 | psycho_oreos | Iridos, The only way I can imagine a hacker can do that (SIM card hack) is most likely through GSM level. Its unlikely the hacker will send the information through other ways, even more if the radio for that function is disabled/patched its highly unlikely without the hacker breaking the device first. N900 has a couple of entry points: GSM, WLAN, Bluetooth, FM Transmitter, and IR. Both IR and Bluetooth are virtually impossible without user's explic |
| 15:28.22 | psycho_oreos | it consent. FM transmitter? unlikely unless they found a bug within fmtxd for instance. WLAN? that's if you don't have firewall properly defined (besides they need to get into your device in the first place, via maybe vulnerable daemons). This only leaves GSM which I'm guessing most telcos would be looking at ways of patching it. |
| 15:31.03 | psycho_oreos | There was a MITM hack with 3G->2G and eavesdropping on vulnerable "clients" that was available at I think BlackHat conference. The rumoured equipment at the time was estimated around $1000, though these days it would be far cheaper I suppose to make one. In the very least scenario, its unlikely script kiddies will use it to abuse people. Unless you pissed some real blackhat's off you probably would be in safer shoes than someone who likes to dice t |
| 15:31.03 | psycho_oreos | heir reputation around. |
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| 15:36.55 | psycho_oreos | LjL, that fmtx-middleware was an imported package from what jacekowski did with fmtxd (which was to enable more functionality compared to the standard fmtxd). |
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| 15:39.38 | psycho_oreos | N900 is probably one of the closest hardware you can get to tinker with its bones. There's no other device/phone that would come close apart from maybe openmoko. |
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| 15:45.17 | kerio | LjL: the range is pretty damn awful for the fmtx |
| 15:45.28 | kerio | try jacekowski's modified fmtxd |
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| 15:46.58 | psycho_oreos | You could even broadcast in other radio frequencies in which the original fmtxd doesn't even offer. Albeit using modified fmtxd doesn't really give too much benefit when it comes to range. |
| 15:54.32 | LjL | psycho_oreos: ok so if i wanted to try jacekowski's fmtxd, using the cssu-devel fmtx-middleware package would be a reasonably good way to achieve taht? |
| 15:55.36 | LjL | kerio: after fiddling anyway, it actually does work, but i *really* have to press the phone against the radio's antenna. otherwise, no dice. FM is *very* crowded here, that's probably the reason i guess |
| 15:55.55 | kerio | yeah ._. |
| 15:56.06 | kerio | LjL: that's jacekowski's fmtxd, indeed |
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| 15:58.15 | psycho_oreos | LjL, I'd advise against playing with stuff in CSSU-Devel if you're not really familiar when it comes to more difficult situations in troubleshooting. You can simply for now rename the original fmtxd to a backup and just grab the patched fmtxd and put it in the same location as where the now renamed (original) fmtxd resides. |
| 15:58.56 | psycho_oreos | There are fair few other "channels" you can try/use, in a bid to avoid crowded spaces. |
| 15:59.35 | psycho_oreos | amin007110, ja und? ^^ *j/k* |
| 16:00.27 | Lava_Croft | if you have just over 3hours of spare time: |
| 16:00.28 | Lava_Croft | 1800 Lava_Croft(+i) 3:FreeNode/#maemo(+Cfnt) |
| 16:00.30 | Lava_Croft | er |
| 16:00.38 | Lava_Croft | That was a nice fail, i mean: http://www.twitch.tv/bethesda/b/439369577 |
| 16:00.40 | LjL | psycho_oreos: i wouldn't want to run afoul of too many regulations though... but i've no idea how much that could be a practical problem |
| 16:01.00 | Lava_Croft | skip the first 10 orso minutes to watch Carmack talk about shit for 3h |
| 16:01.00 | kerio | LjL: disregard regulations, acquire music |
| 16:01.21 | LjL | psycho_oreos: anyway, re cssu-devel, unless we're talking hardware damage (or bricking), i can play with stuff on this N900... it's not my main phone, at least so far, i just bought it to tinker with |
| 16:01.37 | psycho_oreos | I've documented awhile ago on wmo where the FM antenna sits on N900. If you are up for some hardware hacking, you can play nasty and set yourself up a very nice FM transmitter (well.. at least in theory). |
| 16:01.45 | LjL | i have a backupmenu backup of an ok state anyway |
| 16:02.27 | LjL | i don't think i'll go that far - if i can just, say, use the fmtx with the headphones inserted, i get a feeling that already will give it a boost :P |
| 16:02.37 | psycho_oreos | LjL, in theory you wouldn't with the standard antenna, though wiring to aftermarket one may :D |
| 16:02.46 | kerio | LjL: yup |
| 16:02.50 | kerio | also, use openmediaplayer |
| 16:03.09 | kerio | iirc it was also a factor |
| 16:03.25 | LjL | ah |
| 16:03.26 | kerio | the stock media player does something to the radio if you have things plugged in |
| 16:03.31 | LjL | "Override FMTX checks in UI" |
| 16:03.33 | LjL | this looks interesting :P |
| 16:04.23 | psycho_oreos | LjL, you know... I recall sometime awhile ago it was said that extras-devel (yes its not completely related) gave warnings that it would cause the device to do undesirable effects. Apart from bricking it may affect other things. Besides, do you really want to "debian-ise" your setups? |
| 16:05.08 | psycho_oreos | It prevents FM transmitter from running if you have headphones plugged in, that's with osso-mediaplayer. It doesn't do that (or at least how I've read) with open media player. |
| 16:05.38 | kerio | extras-devel and community-devel have absolutely no relation whatsoever |
| 16:05.52 | LjL | psycho_oreos: what do you mean "debian-ise" my setup? |
| 16:06.03 | kerio | using certain .debs from community-devel is safe |
| 16:06.13 | LjL | i probably do like i have my setup remind of Debian =) |
| 16:06.15 | kerio | enabling the whole repo... not so much |
| 16:06.19 | LjL | right |
| 16:06.26 | LjL | i'm not keeping cssu-devel enabled as a whole, that's for sure |
| 16:06.29 | LjL | i just pick and choose |
| 16:06.46 | psycho_oreos | No, I was merely referring to how extras-devel constantly scared newbies off and how others have tried to stick various warning signs all over it. Thinking of CSSU-Devel sort of reminds me of exactly that :p |
| 16:07.03 | Lava_Croft | the naming isnt exactly PR friendly |
| 16:07.09 | LjL | well extras-devel seems to have most of the good stuff these days :P |
| 16:07.50 | psycho_oreos | LjL, i.e. do you must do things via apt-get, dpkg, etc? I mean you could pretty much do it by hand and make a note later on. |
| 16:08.12 | psycho_oreos | extras-devel was pretty back then :p |
| 16:08.26 | psycho_oreos | s/y/y creepy/ |
| 16:08.59 | LjL | psycho_oreos, being grown on Debian/Ubuntu, i tend to prefer using packages whenever possible - doing things by hand, one tends to forget what has been changed, and then it conflicts with packages |
| 16:09.15 | Lava_Croft | wtf |
| 16:09.19 | psycho_oreos | People didn't know what they were doing and thought apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade whilst having extras-devel on would give them bleeding-edge stuff. Turns out in most cases it was quite the opposite. |
| 16:10.13 | LjL | i'm mostly using FAM currently and never dist-upgrading, only upgrading single packages when i feel like |
| 16:10.52 | psycho_oreos | LjL, *shrugs* up to you. I don't know how well fmtxd-middleware is packaged, if say the p{re,ost}rm scripts don't properly "undo" once you decide to revert back.. well :) you can end up being SOL. |
| 16:11.51 | psycho_oreos | Yeah I use FAM when I want to pull stuff from devel/testing repos. HAM for virtually everything else (heck CSSU is recommended to use with HAM not FAM). |
| 16:12.22 | LjL | hmm i could do that |
| 16:12.23 | Lava_Croft | i find that a smart rule is that if anything has any serious dependencies, just use ham |
| 16:12.29 | LjL | since HAM and FAM use different repositories list |
| 16:12.38 | Lava_Croft | which means that most simple stuff is fine for fapman, but more complex stuff really isnt |
| 16:12.54 | LjL | Lava_Croft: doesn't fam just use apt-get though? |
| 16:12.56 | psycho_oreos | and FAM is supposedly more notorious in its package management than HAM. |
| 16:13.10 | psycho_oreos | ~fapman |
| 16:13.10 | infobot | i guess fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. |
| 16:13.11 | Lava_Croft | there are known cases of fapman screwing up |
| 16:13.21 | kerio | haha what the fuck, who pushed debianutils to extras-devel? |
| 16:14.20 | kerio | it wants to uninstall *everything* |
| 16:15.32 | psycho_oreos | There was a similar package like that, I can't quite remember the name of the package but it replaces stuff that conflicts with mostly busybox and replaces it with proper coreutils-gnu stuff. |
| 16:16.40 | LjL | ok next question, kernel: i wouldn't mind a small amount of overclocking/undervolting, so, i guess i want the "power kernel" or whatever it's called. but i see there are two ways to get it: 1) flash it and replace the old kernel 2) get "multiboot" or "U-Boot" (i believe they're the same thing?) and chainload it. also, i'm running CSSU Testing and i'd eventually like to try dual-booting with Nemo, which, i was reading, requires some specific version of U-Boot or |
| 16:16.42 | LjL | something... so, what's a safe/sane route? |
| 16:17.34 | kerio | multiboot is awful |
| 16:17.44 | kerio | don't use it |
| 16:17.48 | jon_y | multiboot flashes on every boot |
| 16:17.49 | kerio | uboot is awesome |
| 16:17.57 | psycho_oreos | 1) is the safe/sane route but ideally 2) if you want dual/multibooting (no not multiboot as in multiboot package). |
| 16:18.07 | psycho_oreos | ~multiboot |
| 16:18.07 | infobot | multiboot is probably http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/ |
| 16:19.00 | jon_y | multiboot the package will flash every boot |
| 16:19.02 | psycho_oreos | Hmm.. a fair few people including DocScrutinizer51 and Pali I believe were heavily against the use of multiboot :P |
| 16:19.03 | jon_y | uboot is saner |
| 16:19.36 | jon_y | uboot does chainload too, but doesn't flash on every boot |
| 16:19.44 | psycho_oreos | ~uboot |
| 16:19.44 | infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files |
| 16:19.45 | LjL | oh lord, the confusion. so there is: a "bootmenu", which is the original thing; a "multiboot", which is probably not a good idea; a "U-Boot", which is the one to pick; and i also have a "backupmenu" installed, does that conflict with anything? |
| 16:20.18 | jon_y | ~backupmenu |
| 16:20.18 | infobot | somebody said backupmenu was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 16:20.25 | kerio | bootmenu is unrelated |
| 16:20.28 | psycho_oreos | bootmenu isn't the exact original thing. bootmenu was created for something else in mind. The default bootloader are mainly NOLO and XLoader. |
| 16:20.28 | LjL | psycho_oreos: ah, so that seems sane, because even if i end up removing some important kernel packages, /dev/mtd3 will always contain a sane environment |
| 16:20.45 | kerio | it's something that runs after the kernel has been loaded |
| 16:21.12 | kerio | LjL: if you have cssu-thumb, the standard uboot won't help with booting |
| 16:21.43 | LjL | kerio: no i'm not using thumb |
| 16:21.56 | kerio | why aren't you using cssu-thumb? :( |
| 16:22.06 | psycho_oreos | I believe the latest kernel power does not have premade stuff for multiboot. Pali made a note specifically about that, and he promotes uboot. |
| 16:22.07 | kerio | it's really good! |
| 16:22.40 | LjL | kerio: should i? it was listed on the wiki as something a bit arcane, felt a bit like cssu-devel |
| 16:22.57 | psycho_oreos | Latest kernel power as in kp52. It was in extras-devel but either way Pali has a copy of kp52 on his own repo/scratchbox. |
| 16:23.21 | LjL | kerio: besides, if i want to use thumb, then i have to use yet another kernel, right? |
| 16:23.52 | psycho_oreos | LjL, that's more or less the same diff as getting power kernel imo :) |
| 16:24.35 | kerio | PSA: cssu-devel is **NOT A THING** |
| 16:25.01 | LjL | yeah i guess so, just need to understand *which* kernel is the one i need :P but also, thumb has its own repo, and it's a different arch, is that just dandy and alright to use together with cssu-testing and packages from cssu-devel and whatnot? |
| 16:25.27 | kerio | LjL: cssu-thumb is an overlay on top of cssu-testing |
| 16:25.50 | LjL | kerio: is it basically a collection of packages recompiled for thumb2 replacing the cssu-testing ones? |
| 16:25.55 | kerio | yup |
| 16:26.02 | kerio | or stock nokia ones |
| 16:26.31 | LjL | kerio: how do the version number works? i.e. do they replace the original stuff by means of having higher version numbers (but then that might conflict with cssu-devel or other repos?), or by specifying an arch, or what? |
| 16:26.56 | psycho_oreos | I believe they have tags on the filenames. |
| 16:27.33 | psycho_oreos | CSSU updates have cssu[1-5] thumbs otoh has thumb2 appended to the name iinm. |
| 16:27.39 | LjL | also is there a kernel with *both* the thumb patches and the latest "kernel power" stuff? |
| 16:27.41 | LjL | psycho_oreos: ah |
| 16:28.27 | psycho_oreos | The last I checked/heard/read, thumb2 is still on kp51. Latest kp is kp52. |
| 16:28.28 | LjL | oh wow i see now cssu-devel *also* has its own kernel |
| 16:28.38 | LjL | psycho_oreos: i guess that's not too tragic |
| 16:28.52 | psycho_oreos | LjL, how do you mean? |
| 16:29.18 | LjL | psycho_oreos: i mean, being on kp51 instead of kp52 probably doesn't make much difference - but i'm having a look at the changelogs now |
| 16:30.12 | kerio | LjL: the thumb errata workaround is in kernel-power since 50, iirc |
| 16:30.14 | kerio | or maybe 51 |
| 16:30.35 | kerio | kernel-cssu is a rebranding of kernel-power that doesn't have the uninstall script |
| 16:31.08 | kerio | version numbers in cssu-thumb are kept barely above the cssu-testing ones |
| 16:31.29 | kerio | so that there's something to do for emergency updates, for instance |
| 16:31.45 | LjL | ah so i can just use kernel-power with the thumb repo? |
| 16:31.49 | kerio | yup |
| 16:32.03 | kerio | if you are, it won't even prompt to install kernel-cssu |
| 16:32.30 | psycho_oreos | 51r1 I think it was for latest CSSU-Thumb. |
| 16:32.47 | kerio | no, the first |
| 16:33.03 | psycho_oreos | kp51 thumb? |
| 16:33.13 | kerio | ...what? |
| 16:33.46 | psycho_oreos | is confused with thumb2's kernel naming conventions. Regular new kp versions just increments the number. |
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| 16:35.47 | LjL | kerio: [16:21:12] <kerio> LjL: if you have cssu-thumb, the standard uboot won't help with booting <---- is this because it will boot a kernel without the thumb2 patches, but the system binaries require it? isn't there an U-Boot that comes with a thumb-capable "emergency" kernel? |
| 16:37.34 | kerio | no |
| 16:37.41 | kerio | you can make one if you want |
| 16:37.56 | LjL | with "u-boot-for-power-kernel"? i just noticed this package |
| 16:38.05 | kerio | old and unsupported |
| 16:38.10 | LjL | oh |
| 16:38.15 | kerio | anyway, it's not really a big deal |
| 16:38.28 | kerio | i don't even have a kernel attached to my uboot |
| 16:39.02 | LjL | but then what happens if i mess something up? brick? - also, since apparently backupmenu doesn't work too nicely with U-Boot without modifications... then can't i even un-brick by restoring my backup? |
| 16:39.35 | psycho_oreos | I generally don't think you can easily un-brick via using backupmenu. |
| 16:39.36 | kerio | ...backupmenu is also unrelated to uboot |
| 16:39.45 | kerio | backupmenu is launched by bootmenu |
| 16:40.04 | kerio | which runs *after* the kernel has been loaded, uboot is long forgotten at that point |
| 16:40.15 | LjL | ah, right |
| 16:40.41 | LjL | bear with me - there are many layers about this and they're confusing |
| 16:41.39 | LjL | in any case, if i want to be a bit safer from bricking, and i want to use thumb, then i should probably make an uboot + thumb-kernel thing, so is the logic here wrong? |
| 16:44.07 | kerio | eeeeh |
| 16:44.17 | kerio | just don't fuck your mydocs up |
| 16:44.35 | LjL | what, how is mydocs related now D: |
| 16:47.14 | psycho_oreos | To me.. I personally think its safer to deal with one step at a time.. first install uboot and make sure that its pointing to your power kernel first. Then deal with kp with thumb2 later on after you have successfully managed to get uboot to boot with kp. |
| 16:48.24 | LjL | psycho_oreos: sure, but, unless i got the whole thing wrong, uboot can 1) boot the kernel it's flashed with 2) boot another kernel that has a menu entry installed for it. - now, #1 will always be available even if i do something stupid like uninstalling the package that gives me #2 |
| 16:48.37 | LjL | is that right? |
| 16:49.24 | psycho_oreos | LjL, from memory the uboot package doesn't include any kernel, you should read relevant wiki/talk threads about it either way. |
| 16:52.58 | psycho_oreos | LjL, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 ... also that link tells you what it does to MyDocs. |
| 16:53.09 | LjL | yeah it's not always easy to know which page should be the one to read though :D i'm checking out http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 and the very brief https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:N900_The_Perfect_Setup#Install_.26_configure_bootloader at the moment |
| 16:53.21 | LjL | ah so i did have at least one right |
| 16:54.11 | LjL | so if mydocs becomes unmountable, u-boot won't boot anything anymore? |
| 16:56.04 | psycho_oreos | I believe so (I don't have uboot setup here). |
| 16:57.42 | psycho_oreos | Hmm it seems the flasher package of uboot contains stock kernel. So in theory after installing uboot and getting it all setup, upon reboot it should boot up stock kernel by default. |
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| 17:04.46 | LjL | hold on a second... so, bootmenu starts up after the kernel has loaded... but still, it says it is "intended to use to boot alternative operating systems", so can't it just chainload another kernel itself (using kexec or something, i don't know how bootmenu works) |
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| 17:15.01 | psycho_oreos | The phrases used was probably outdated, the package is really old in itself. |
| 17:16.33 | psycho_oreos | I guess the intention then was to boot into different X frontend environments. Probably things such as Mer, it probably wasn't intended to boot other kernels as it probably lacks that functionality (heavily depends on NOLO X-Loader in other words). |
| 17:16.47 | LjL | ah |
| 17:17.34 | LjL | about to do it - does this look right? it's going to install: u-boot-tools 2013.04-1, fiasco-image-update-ask 0.3, u-boot-flasher 2013.04-1, kernel-power 1:2.6.28-10power52 (most of these are from extras devel, should i use the extras testing versions instead?) |
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| 17:39.15 | LjL | u-boot and pk installed |
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| 18:12.31 | LjL | would i be wise to use smartreflex? i see it's enabled in the "default" profile of kernel-power-settings, but disabled in the "ideal" profile |
| 18:13.43 | kerio | it "should" work |
| 18:13.49 | kerio | freemangordon can elaborate a bit more on it |
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| 21:33.29 | LjL | hmpf, lack of AP mode (and thus WPA as hotspot) is annoying. i'm so not comfortable with using WEP, yet i will need to provide computers with network access in the coming weeks |
| 21:36.39 | ecc2g | I was using my eeePC as an access point once using BT/USB to the phone... since ath5k wifi supported AP mode... |
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| 22:36.26 | SpeedEvil | Android dropping ad-hoc makes it especially annoying |
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| 23:26.08 | LjL | SpeedEvil: ugh, they don't allow connecting to ad-hoc nets now? how heinous :\ |
| 23:29.04 | SpeedEvil | Exactly. |
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| 23:56.59 | LjL | SpeedEvil: maybe it's just me being a conspiracy theorist, but aside from the obvious no-AP-so-you-can't-do-tethering thing in many phones, there is a fear from manufacturers that ad-hoc could allow mesh networks that could bypass the carrier |
| 23:57.14 | SpeedEvil | That's rubbish. |
| 23:57.33 | SpeedEvil | It's basically impossible - mesh networks have fundamental flaws that mean wifi can never, ever do that. |
| 23:58.18 | LjL | SpeedEvil: can you explain in simple terms why? |
| 23:58.23 | SpeedEvil | The probable reason was that there were lots of people complaining about bugs in ad-hoc mode that were in fact fundamental flaws. |
| 23:58.34 | LjL | ah |
| 23:58.57 | SpeedEvil | In the protocl - namely there isn't a way of detecting when the network goes away and it drinks power as it has to keep the raido on all the time - versus a hundred of the time for AP mode. |
| 23:59.33 | SpeedEvil | In simple terms - because you can't detect signals that are at a moderate distance, but they add significantly to your noise background. |
| 23:59.42 | SpeedEvil | Consider a football stadium. |
