| 00:00.44 | robbiethe1st | Yes |
| 00:04.44 | robbiethe1st | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNTgg7Y7Pzg ...I want |
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| 00:14.28 | psycho_oreos | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXONp8Q3KGY <-- hahahaha, real cute. |
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| 01:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | evidently in Germamy none of the providers checks for such "non-tethering" policy. It's actually hard to check when you don't allow false positives |
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| 01:12.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I think most have dropped any such policy, and replaced it by simply restricting bandwith and/or traffic and/or services (SIP, IM, Skype, particularly any filesharing). Especially all realtime applications like VoIP are easily fscked up by simply introducing too much jitter on RTT/pingtime |
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| 01:30.54 | SpeedEvil | Quite. |
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| 01:40.54 | HtheB | robbiethe1st hi |
| 01:40.58 | robbiethe1st | Hi |
| 01:41.02 | robbiethe1st | See? I am areound |
| 01:41.07 | HtheB | yeah now |
| 01:41.14 | HtheB | you werent here for like 13 days :D |
| 01:41.21 | robbiethe1st | Says it |
| 01:41.23 | HtheB | check the logs :P |
| 01:41.31 | robbiethe1st | I may not have said anything |
| 01:41.53 | robbiethe1st | ctually, have a date range? |
| 01:41.55 | HtheB | weird, i've always checked your nickname over here |
| 01:42.03 | HtheB | date range? |
| 01:42.12 | robbiethe1st | like, when I was supposed to be gone? |
| 01:42.27 | HtheB | ~seen robbiethe1st |
| 01:42.32 | infobot | robbiethe1st is currently on #maemo (2h 1m 38s). Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 20s, last said: 'like, when I was supposed to be gone?'. |
| 01:42.46 | HtheB | :D |
| 01:44.41 | HtheB | let me check the log when I looked for you :P |
| 01:44.43 | robbiethe1st | I have logs for july 31,30,29... 25, 24, 23,22... 18, 17, 16, 15, 14... 11, 10, 9, 8... 2, 1..jun 27, 26, 25, 24... |
| 01:49.46 | robbiethe1st | anyway |
| 01:49.53 | HtheB | thats weird |
| 01:50.05 | HtheB | i was looking for it too |
| 01:50.14 | HtheB | the one where it said 13 days :D |
| 01:50.15 | robbiethe1st | heh |
| 01:50.16 | HtheB | anyway |
| 01:50.27 | robbiethe1st | Yes? |
| 01:50.28 | HtheB | won the third one |
| 01:50.35 | robbiethe1st | *third* one? |
| 01:50.48 | HtheB | hides |
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| 01:50.59 | robbiethe1st | You're more trusting of me than I would be |
| 01:51.20 | HtheB | ? |
| 01:51.50 | robbiethe1st | I mean, you don't know me. I could decide to be lazy and just drop your packages in the trash, or sit on them for a few months... |
| 01:51.53 | robbiethe1st | You never know <_< |
| 01:52.04 | HtheB | i trust yo |
| 01:52.04 | HtheB | u |
| 01:52.15 | HtheB | i can feel it that way :) |
| 01:52.15 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, I can see that |
| 01:52.30 | HtheB | also, you've helped me with the auction |
| 01:52.40 | HtheB | too bad we lost that one :P |
| 01:52.46 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, oh well |
| 01:53.37 | HtheB | you told me that you would be here the next day |
| 01:53.41 | HtheB | and you were :) |
| 01:53.53 | HtheB | so there is no reason i wouldnt trust you |
| 01:54.00 | robbiethe1st | True, I suppose |
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| 01:54.37 | robbiethe1st | But there's a big difference between just joining IRC in my normal routine, and actually having to get off my fat ass, get into my truck, and drive a whole mile to the post office. |
| 01:54.41 | HtheB | besides, you're the bootmenu master :P |
| 01:54.55 | HtheB | aww |
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| 01:55.06 | robbiethe1st | Just saying |
| 01:55.09 | HtheB | (is it really that far?) |
| 01:55.10 | robbiethe1st | ;) |
| 01:55.52 | robbiethe1st | Probably, don't know. The one by my parents place is 3 miles away, but I'm on the outskirts of town here, so I'm closer |
| 01:56.11 | HtheB | i see |
| 01:56.22 | HtheB | glad people like you are still alive |
| 01:56.45 | robbiethe1st | See, this is the US. Things are very spread out here. 50 miles is commuting distance for some |
| 01:56.54 | HtheB | ouff |
| 01:57.10 | HtheB | the nearest post office is like 500meters away from here |
| 01:57.11 | HtheB | hehe |
| 01:57.16 | robbiethe1st | wow |
| 01:57.45 | HtheB | some supermarkets has also 'post office' abilities |
| 01:57.55 | HtheB | for sending packages |
| 01:58.10 | robbiethe1st | True |
| 01:58.26 | robbiethe1st | it's usually cheaper at the post office itself, though |
| 01:58.44 | HtheB | here its the same |
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| 01:59.32 | HtheB | but hey, I think this is my reward of 'missing' the other one :D |
| 01:59.36 | HtheB | being patiently |
| 01:59.46 | robbiethe1st | what did you get? |
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| 02:00.39 | HtheB | www.ebay.com/itm/Supervision-Watara-With-Games-/251311978517 |
| 02:00.47 | HtheB | this was what he listed first |
| 02:00.58 | HtheB | i saw on the pictures one of the rare games |
| 02:01.09 | HtheB | so i asked if he can sell the game only |
| 02:02.06 | HtheB | www.ebay.com/itm/251313483671 |
| 02:02.10 | HtheB | so he changed it |
| 02:02.34 | robbiethe1st | ok |
| 02:04.33 | DrCode | hi all |
| 02:05.06 | DrCode | dose n900 support 64gb micROSD |
| 02:06.13 | HtheB | there was a thread on tmo some long time ago about it.. |
| 02:06.20 | HtheB | but i really dont know.... try it :P |
| 02:06.55 | robbiethe1st | worst case, it |
| 02:07.01 | robbiethe1st | It's a driver update needed |
| 02:07.12 | robbiethe1st | Likely, PK would have the drivers |
| 02:07.32 | DrCode | ok |
| 02:07.48 | HtheB | afaik, cssu should have those drivers |
| 02:08.27 | DrCode | when i use chroot debbi command not working , any idea |
| 02:08.41 | DrCode | i use cssu |
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| 02:17.10 | HtheB | conn dropped |
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| 02:40.48 | HtheB | robbiethe1st, going to sleep now |
| 02:40.52 | robbiethe1st | Cya |
| 02:41.00 | HtheB | i'll talk to you later :) |
| 02:41.07 | HtheB | oh btw |
| 02:41.17 | HtheB | how 'fast' is the post in the us? |
| 02:41.30 | HtheB | like: someone sends you a package tomorrow |
| 02:41.43 | HtheB | when will the package arrive? |
| 02:42.15 | robbiethe1st | Depends on distance, most likely ground(cheap shipping) can take 2-5 days in the US |
| 02:42.16 | HtheB | before (or on) monday? |
| 02:42.22 | HtheB | hmm |
| 02:42.24 | robbiethe1st | depends, where? |
| 02:42.29 | HtheB | let me check |
| 02:42.41 | robbiethe1st | California, yeah, I'd expect it'd be here |
| 02:42.51 | robbiethe1st | New York(other side of the continent), longer |
| 02:43.01 | HtheB | dayton |
| 02:43.03 | HtheB | tenessee |
| 02:44.02 | robbiethe1st | Pretty far, I don't know |
| 02:44.15 | HtheB | alright |
| 02:44.16 | robbiethe1st | Keep a watch on the tracking code |
| 02:44.46 | robbiethe1st | Plus, it really depends how quickly they ship. If they have it /in the mail/ before pickup tomorrow, that's one thing |
| 02:45.04 | HtheB | well, i didnt got a tracking code (economic shipping eh :P) |
| 02:45.09 | robbiethe1st | Oh, ok |
| 02:45.11 | HtheB | we'll see |
| 02:45.17 | robbiethe1st | just gonna have to see then |
| 02:45.19 | HtheB | if the first one came |
| 02:45.32 | HtheB | im sure the other two will arrive too:) |
| 02:45.41 | HtheB | then, i wont bother you anymore xD |
| 02:45.52 | robbiethe1st | No worries |
| 02:46.21 | HtheB | good night pal |
| 02:46.31 | HtheB | nite all |
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| 07:31.16 | ebzzry | (Maemo 5) I just installed the latest CSSU-S update. How do I use the new camera ui? |
| 07:31.50 | freemangordon | ebzzry: "the new camera ui" is not in cssu-stable |
| 07:32.57 | ebzzry | freemangordon: Where is it? In CSSU-T? |
| 07:33.05 | freemangordon | yep |
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| 07:33.30 | ebzzry | I have used the CSSU-S catalog. Can I install "over" the CSSU-T catalog? |
| 07:33.48 | freemangordon | yep, but disable cssu-s catalog first |
| 07:34.00 | ebzzry | freemangordon: Thanks. I'll do that. |
| 07:34.05 | freemangordon | it won;t harm if you leave it enabled, but will slow down HAM |
| 07:34.21 | HtheB | slowdown? |
| 07:34.32 | freemangordon | ok, even further :D |
| 07:34.37 | HtheB | since when did it ever go fast? |
| 07:34.42 | HtheB | lol |
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| 07:36.12 | HtheB | i have disabled autochecker for HAM |
| 07:36.54 | HtheB | once in a while (like once in 3 months?) i run ham before going to sleep just to check for update |
| 07:37.07 | HtheB | :D |
| 07:37.57 | HtheB | otherwise, it's very annoying that when you're connected to the internet, ham checks for updates automatically |
| 07:39.33 | ebzzry | I noticed that there is a CSSU Devel catalog? Is it real? Is it worth installing instead of Testing? |
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| 07:53.39 | kupe | hello everyone, will any of you help me in installing uboot with kp52 menu on it |
| 07:54.16 | kupe | I have cssu thumb and already flashed my device nearly 14 times today |
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| 07:58.34 | kupe | doc, kerio or any other please help |
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| 08:05.51 | kerio | kupe: hi! |
| 08:06.05 | kerio | install uboot |
| 08:06.10 | kerio | install kernel-power-bootimg |
| 08:06.55 | kerio | ln -s /etc/bootmenu.d/*power* /etc/default/bootmenu.item |
| 08:07.08 | kerio | u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 08:07.34 | kerio | and don't boot with the stock kernel, it'll end in tears and in a reboot |
| 08:09.23 | kerio | also, why am i being pinged for this stuff |
| 08:09.27 | kerio | D: |
| 08:09.36 | kerio | i'm just a user |
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| 08:28.01 | kupe | thank you kerio |
| 08:28.10 | kerio | np |
| 08:28.14 | kupe | have a nice day |
| 08:28.48 | kupe | so lets me backup everything and then I will report you back |
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| 08:30.10 | RzR | ba |
| 08:30.16 | RzR | backup what ? |
| 08:30.38 | kerio | *all* the things! _ò/ |
| 08:30.56 | RzR | what's wrong ? |
| 08:33.05 | kerio | he doesn't trust me :c |
| 08:33.09 | kerio | i feel unloved |
| 08:34.37 | kupe | no |
| 08:35.04 | kupe | I didn't mean that |
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| 08:36.31 | kupe | but its always good to have backup |
| 08:39.50 | kupe | kerio can I use kernel-power 51vr1 bootimg if i have kpv51vr1 |
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| 09:17.36 | kerio | sure |
| 09:21.12 | freemangordon | ebzzry: If you don't know what cssu-devel is, DO NOT ENABLE THE CATALOG |
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| 10:23.58 | ebzzry | freemangordon: Ok. Since we're there, what is it, and what does it do? |
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| 10:24.30 | freemangordon | ~cssu-devel |
| 10:24.42 | freemangordon | ~ping |
| 10:24.42 | infobot | ~pong |
| 10:24.48 | ebzzry | freemangordon: Yes. How is it different from -testing? |
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| 10:25.54 | freemangordon | ebzzry: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84292 |
| 10:26.00 | ebzzry | freemangordon: let me load that. |
| 10:26.13 | freemangordon | ~cssu-devel is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84292 |
| 10:26.13 | infobot | freemangordon: okay |
| 10:26.28 | freemangordon | ~cssu-devel |
| 10:26.28 | infobot | cssu-devel is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84292 |
| 10:26.49 | ebzzry | freemangordon: ok. thanks for the warning. |
| 10:28.09 | ebzzry | I'm at 90% of the cssu-testing download. I've been downloading it since ~3 hours ago. I don't know why it is taking that long. My unit's internet connection is good, except for HAM related stuff. |
| 10:28.44 | freemangordon | hmm, weird, that shouldn't take that long |
| 10:29.18 | ebzzry | I can run wget and get realistic expectations. But when I install anything from HAM (or apt-get), it is bloody slow. |
| 10:29.58 | ebzzry | No, I haven't tweaked anything network related. Anyway, maybe I can do some search on TMO. :-) |
| 10:30.27 | freemangordon | ebzzry: never heard of such an issue |
| 10:30.48 | freemangordon | maybe your isp does some traffic shaping |
| 10:31.12 | ebzzry | freemangordon: maybe. I think I may run tcpdump on my gateway machine to see what's happening. |
| 10:31.52 | ebzzry | freemangordon: Ya, some weird traffic-shaping rules, that (unexpectedly) bork connections to repository.maemo.org |
| 10:32.01 | freemangordon | mhm |
| 10:32.21 | ebzzry | freemangordon: I wish I can run iftop on the system, while the upgrade is running. :( |
| 10:32.44 | freemangordon | connect via ssh :) |
| 10:32.47 | ebzzry | freemangordon: Unfortunately, I can't SSH to it, for some odd reason. :) |
| 10:32.51 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 10:32.54 | freemangordon | weird |
| 10:32.57 | ebzzry | SSH is ok when not upgrading. :) |
| 10:33.07 | freemangordon | maybe HAM stops it |
| 10:33.10 | ebzzry | freemangordon: any hints? :-) |
| 10:33.12 | ebzzry | maybe. :) |
| 10:33.25 | ebzzry | freemangordon: and, unpingable! :-) |
| 10:33.35 | freemangordon | ooh, yes |
| 10:33.47 | freemangordon | HAM puts the device on offline mode |
| 10:34.01 | freemangordon | s/on/in/ |
| 10:34.12 | ebzzry | freemangordon: I used to use KP but stopped using it because my system has been mostly unstable with it. A frequent annoyance is not being able to reboot properly, i.e., it shuts down instead of rebooting! |
| 10:34.27 | ebzzry | freemangordon: Ah, ya. Offline mode! :-D |
| 10:34.33 | freemangordon | ebzzry: which version of KP? |
| 10:34.47 | freemangordon | that should be fixed in latest testing version |
| 10:36.02 | ebzzry | freemangordon: the biggest show-stopper though it that at random times, it sets the frequency so low! |
| 10:37.24 | ebzzry | freemangordon: and I frequently find myself running 'kernel-config ...' from time to time. |
| 10:37.34 | ebzzry | The last time I used KP was about two years ago. |
| 10:38.39 | ebzzry | freemangordon: I'll take a stab at it again. I'll finish the CSSU-Testing installation, create another rootfs and optfs backup using BackupMenu, then install the latest KP. |
| 10:41.05 | freemangordon | ebzzry: ooh, lots of things changed since then :D |
| 10:41.20 | ebzzry | ;) |
| 10:41.51 | ebzzry | So, what's the name of the KP now? |
| 10:43.45 | ebzzry | s/KP/KP package/ |
| 10:43.56 | freemangordon | kernel-power |
| 10:44.25 | freemangordon | "enhanced kernel for power users" or something |
| 10:44.29 | ebzzry | freemangordon: Thanks. How about its name in HAM? |
| 10:44.32 | ebzzry | freemangordon: ok |
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| 11:00.15 | ebzzry | boom. there goes a backupmenu restore. |
| 11:00.31 | ebzzry | somehow my cssu-testing installation borked up my system! >:-( |
| 11:01.01 | ebzzry | thanks to backupmenu. *sigh* |
| 11:03.37 | psycho_oreos | heh, that is a nice greet to cssu-testing :) not really for beginners. |
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| 11:06.04 | ebzzry | __sigh__ |
| 11:06.44 | ebzzry | It would have been fine, had I known what happened. :) |
| 11:07.10 | ebzzry | consolatory messages would have been great! :-) |
| 11:07.21 | SAiF | I got my n900, touch screen changed, cost about 21.5USD or 16.2 Euro, or 1300rupee. |
| 11:07.43 | SAiF | then I noticed, that the key board lights are not working. |
| 11:08.58 | SAiF | thought of ambient light sensor, but its clearly open, but the led got hidden under a black coating or whatever. |
| 11:09.23 | psycho_oreos | I guess in some ways you might be able to backtrace to what may have caused the issue. Not sure about default HAM but HAM in red pill mode has access to interesting log section.. well in either case there should be a log of where HAM would be verbosee in its proceedings. |
| 11:10.31 | SAiF | okay LED is clearly under a coating, I cant even see it while charging, |
| 11:10.43 | psycho_oreos | Should probably take it back and say that it was not properly fixed, that there was keyboard LED which normally lights up are all now hidden thanks to that black coating or whatever. |
| 11:11.09 | SAiF | no no no .. |
| 11:11.27 | SAiF | the top led is under a black coating, |
| 11:11.42 | SAiF | but about keyboard lights I dont know. |
| 11:12.06 | SAiF | I can type in it, but I guess, it doesnt detect keyboard is pulled out. |
| 11:12.11 | psycho_oreos | You mean where there's that three LED colours that would show the state of the device? |
| 11:12.23 | SAiF | *(bad english) |
| 11:12.33 | ebzzry | hmm |
| 11:12.36 | SAiF | Yes that one |
| 11:13.54 | psycho_oreos | There's a GPIO sensor that would tell you if the keyboard "tray" is out or not. I'm not sure on your setup but I think you can find info from kernel via dmesg regarding if the keyboard slid open or was closed. |
| 11:14.00 | SAiF | okay, again. Charging LED is defenitely under a black coating, I can understand that, but why is the keyboard drawn out position not detected? |
| 11:14.38 | SAiF | ^^I couldnt fully understand what you said.. |
| 11:15.41 | psycho_oreos | There's a sensor that governs whether the keyboard tray is out. Depending on your setup you might be able to see via "dmesg" (a command line based command) to see if kernel would see the keyboard was open or not. |
| 11:16.27 | SAiF | okay..I think I should understand this time :) can you link me to a pic or something of that sensor, and where is it located? |
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| 11:17.24 | psycho_oreos | I'm not an engineer, DocScrutinizer05 would know very well about stuff like this but "dmesg" command should easily tell you if the sensor did detect keyboard is either out or in. |
| 11:17.57 | kupe | anybody what I am doing wrong here is uboot image |
| 11:17.59 | kupe | postimg.org/image/r35tdlvlv/70e3b7a9/ |
| 11:18.28 | kupe | still there ain't an option for kp 51r1 |
| 11:20.02 | SAiF | keyboard is definitely not detected, virtual keyboard opens up even with tray out, and portait mode, and it even doesnot unlock screen with drawing keyboard, |
| 11:20.39 | SAiF | And I think its Docs off duty time, |
| 11:21.15 | SAiF | will have to wait till night.... |
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| 11:22.46 | psycho_oreos | SAiF, in the meantime you could consult with N900 hardware schematics. There's info on the wmo about it. |
| 11:23.47 | kupe | psycho please help |
| 11:24.18 | psycho_oreos | kupe, I don't have uboot setup. I can't I'm afraid (even though I ought to move to uboot soon). |
| 11:24.42 | psycho_oreos | looks at the link anyway. |
| 11:24.54 | kupe | thanks |
| 11:25.55 | psycho_oreos | From what I can see, I don't think there's any particular issue with your device. That might be the standard procedure as to what uboot does by default, is to prompt user choices. |
| 11:26.19 | psycho_oreos | What happens when you try the first choice? |
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| 11:27.55 | psycho_oreos | SAiF_, did you get my last message? |
| 11:28.51 | kupe | attach kernel takes me to omap 1 kernel |
| 11:29.30 | psycho_oreos | I suppose it won't boot with the stock kernel? |
| 11:30.41 | kerio | kupe: have you installed the bootimg? |
| 11:30.45 | kerio | have you ran u-boot-update-bootmenu? |
| 11:30.48 | SAiF | psycho_oreos , got it, was afk |
| 11:30.54 | SAiF | looking |
| 11:31.15 | kupe | here comes kerio yes i have ran u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 11:31.55 | kerio | what was its output? |
| 11:31.55 | psycho_oreos | SAiF, from my N900 (with kp52) I slid the keyboard out and back in, "dmesg| tail" yielded these as results: [64952.292419] slide (GPIO 71) is now open for keyboard "tray" out and [64965.253295] slide (GPIO 71) is now closed for keyboard "tray" in. |
| 11:32.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: check ~# dmesg |
| 11:32.46 | SAiF | okay.. |
| 11:32.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: for >> slide (GPIO 71) is now open << |
| 11:33.17 | psycho_oreos | It should be close to the bottom of the dmesg output, the more closer to the bottom of the output the more recent it is. |
| 11:33.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed ;-) |
| 11:34.38 | SAiF | oops theres lot, pls wait |
| 11:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's some "black varnish" over the indicator LED always, that is the "sunglasses effect" and shouldn't stop indicator LED from shining thru it |
| 11:34.50 | psycho_oreos | I thought you would start telling him where the sensor might be located :) I have a hunch its underneath the screen but that's just a wild guess. |
| 11:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could also thell him where on chip the BGA ball of the GPIO is, but would either help to solve his problem? |
| 11:36.21 | SAiF | GPIO 69 inactive |
| 11:36.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: for >> slide (GPIO 71) is now open << |
| 11:37.21 | SAiF | I tried both ways, but it shows GPIO 69 is now inactive |
| 11:37.22 | psycho_oreos | I dunno, was just thinking if it may help to see where the faulty part may lie and whether it was the technician's fault or just the affected part(s) are dying out. |
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| 11:37.46 | psycho_oreos | Yeah GPIO 69 != GPIO 71. They're connected to different stuff. |
| 11:37.59 | SAiF | oops again |
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| 11:38.43 | psycho_oreos | I suppose you could just do "dmesg| grep slide" |
| 11:38.50 | SAiF | okay |
| 11:40.40 | SAiF | nothing |
| 11:41.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | find /sys -iname '*engine*' |
| 11:41.38 | kupe | kerio http://pastebin.com/ELeEGd3p |
| 11:41.49 | SAiF | please understand that I am a newbie, trying to keep up |
| 11:42.07 | kerio | kupe: but booting with the keyboard out doesn't show those entries? |
| 11:42.27 | kupe | yes |
| 11:42.54 | SAiF | i shoulb be root |
| 11:42.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | or |
| 11:42.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/ |
| 11:43.24 | kupe | kerio well what should i do now ?? |
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| 11:43.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: ls -l /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/ |
| 11:43.51 | SAiF | typing |
| 11:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: use tabulator to auto-complete pathnames |
| 11:44.45 | SAiF | I am on a pc, and n900 in my hand, |
| 11:44.49 | SAiF | what is tabulator |
| 11:44.56 | psycho_oreos | Alternatively if you have setup SSH, you can just SSH and paste those commands in :) |
| 11:45.00 | SAiF | okay dont mind |
| 11:45.06 | SAiF | I got the output |
| 11:45.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | /sy<TAB>/cl<TAB>/i2<TAB>/i<TAB>2/2<TAB>... |
| 11:45.29 | SAiF | I will, soon, |
| 11:45.58 | SAiF | okay,, I am such a fool |
| 11:46.55 | SAiF | so what should i tell you from this output |
| 11:47.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there are 3 lines with engines, for example |
| 11:47.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/37e6b81243 |
| 11:48.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | engine1_mode ... engine3_mode |
| 11:48.21 | SAiF | yes |
| 11:48.47 | SAiF | 3 engine lines |
| 11:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: cd /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/ |
| 11:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: cat selftest |
| 11:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | FFS I have a fail on LED3! |
| 11:50.58 | SAiF | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.04 | SAiF | got an |
| 11:51.07 | SAiF | OK |
| 11:51.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be related to my recent messing with triggers |
| 11:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 11:51.28 | freemangordon | hmm, I have fail on LED0 :( |
| 11:51.54 | SAiF | Can You please explain in short words what I just did? |
| 11:52.14 | SAiF | I guess testing, itself |
| 11:52.20 | SAiF | for errors.. |
| 11:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: cd le<TAB>g |
| 11:52.24 | freemangordon | hmm, OK now |
| 11:52.46 | SAiF | hmm |
| 11:53.12 | freemangordon | SAiF: ignore me :) |
| 11:54.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: are you root? |
| 11:54.08 | SAiF | ^^ happy to see you, freemangordon, though I have failed to get 720p working |
| 11:54.12 | SAiF | yes root |
| 11:54.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: are you in /sys/class/leds/lp5523:g now? |
| 11:54.40 | SAiF | yes |
| 11:55.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo 50 > brightness |
| 11:56.24 | SAiF | where is '>' |
| 11:57.05 | SAiF | got it |
| 11:57.36 | SAiF | okay done |
| 11:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | is indicator LED shining up green? |
| 11:58.24 | SAiF | no, its beneath |
| 11:59.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | beneath? |
| 11:59.31 | SAiF | yes, I could see it after turnig of room lights, that too slightly for 1/20th of a second |
| 11:59.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | please rephrase |
| 12:00.35 | SAiF | pls wait |
| 12:01.01 | SAiF | I saw green light shining for 1/20th of a second |
| 12:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's weird |
| 12:01.26 | SAiF | I could only barely see that through this black coating. |
| 12:02.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if they installed some fake digitizer on your device |
| 12:02.31 | SAiF | anyway my main concern is not front led, |
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| 12:03.03 | SAiF | I know it most probably may not be original |
| 12:03.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | mine is, since that isn't supposed to vanish after 1/20th of a second |
| 12:03.59 | SAiF | Is the led located on the touch screen digitizer? |
| 12:03.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: cd .. |
| 12:04.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 12:04.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: cd *kb3 |
| 12:04.52 | SAiF | then what difference the digitizer makes in led times |
| 12:05.23 | SAiF | in kb3 now |
| 12:05.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok seems this 20th second might have some reason |
| 12:06.20 | SAiF | 20th second in the sense, it shines at the instant when I press enter with that command |
| 12:06.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | while :; do echo 100 >brightness; done |
| 12:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | (stop by ctrl+C ) |
| 12:07.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | shall light up led behind I, O, K |
| 12:07.57 | SAiF | No, it doesnt |
| 12:08.23 | SAiF | yes |
| 12:08.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 12:08.55 | SAiF | again in a similar manner |
| 12:09.15 | SAiF | when I press enter, it lights up and fades out within a second |
| 12:09.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's extremely strange |
| 12:09.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | but shows your problem is sw side |
| 12:10.06 | SAiF | thanks then I could do a reflash |
| 12:10.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually some weird stuff around your digitizer having no transparent spot where indicator LED sits |
| 12:10.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder whether your Ambient Light Sensor has a transparent spot |
| 12:10.58 | SAiF | that indicator LED, I can Adjust, because I had to wait 1.5months to get even this digitiser |
| 12:11.10 | SAiF | .. haha there is no transparent spot |
| 12:11.20 | SAiF | thats what I was trying to say |
| 12:11.25 | SAiF | hahah |
| 12:11.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | please do: cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0029/lux |
| 12:11.46 | SAiF | this keyboard thing I can reflash |
| 12:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | then cover upper right corner of screen frame next to NOKIA label with your thumb and do again (cursor up fetches last line) |
| 12:13.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | then expose device to bright light and do again |
| 12:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | report the three numeric values you got |
| 12:14.31 | SAiF | pls wt |
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| 12:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: then do: cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state |
| 12:15.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | cover same corner and redo |
| 12:15.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | it should show "open", and then when covered show "close" |
| 12:15.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | "closed" even |
| 12:15.52 | amin007110 | Hmmmm... |
| 12:15.56 | SAiF | no such directory |
| 12:16.11 | SAiF | pls wait trying again. sorry to keep you waiting |
| 12:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
| 12:16.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | use TAB |
| 12:16.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | it never does spelling errors |
| 12:18.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /sy<TAB>/de<TAB>i<TAB>pl<TAB>gp<TAB>pr<TAB>st<TAB> |
| 12:18.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | same with autocompletion in capitals: |
| 12:18.58 | SAiF | ho |
| 12:19.18 | SAiF | I got the first one 30 |
| 12:19.30 | amin007110 | Just curous to know if that little magnet exists in it's house under screen on top of third column from the right side of keyboard. |
| 12:19.38 | amin007110 | *curious |
| 12:20.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /syS/deVices/plaTFOWM/gpIO-SWITCH/prOXIMITY/stATE |
| 12:20.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: yes, that's next to check, though we already kinda did that, via dmesg |
| 12:21.18 | amin007110 | aha, ok |
| 12:21.44 | SAiF | was reading you above comment nokia was written on the left side? |
| 12:21.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that was rather negitive result, though I don't trust in that result |
| 12:22.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, the metal frame has a NOKIA tab on left upper corner o.O |
| 12:23.13 | SAiF | yes now understand, the sensor, you mean. closed shows 0 and open shows 30 32 |
| 12:23.19 | SAiF | in room light |
| 12:23.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's almost OK |
| 12:23.36 | SAiF | 285 near monitor |
| 12:24.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | OK |
| 12:24.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | wat about proximity sensor? |
| 12:24.37 | SAiF | power failed, I may go offline |
| 12:24.46 | SAiF | let me check |
| 12:26.01 | SAiF | got stuck when I opened the phone function, |
| 12:26.12 | SAiF | havent opened it for two months |
| 12:26.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 12:26.35 | SAiF | not responding.. |
| 12:26.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: then do: cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state |
| 12:27.00 | SAiF | restarting |
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| 12:27.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | your device is thoroughly fsckd up, please do a full reflash |
| 12:28.11 | SAiF | actually, I reflashed a week before giving to technician, |
| 12:28.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and what did technician flash to it? |
| 12:28.49 | SAiF | nope, he just changed the digitizer |
| 12:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and which malware did he install? |
| 12:29.04 | SAiF | but A cause may be this. |
| 12:30.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, busy. reflash, then test again and come back |
| 12:30.04 | SAiF | I had power kernel installed in it and he never switched off phone, he just remove the battery. and each time you boot in it shows kernel loading failed |
| 12:30.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya |
| 12:30.57 | SAiF | Doc.. will be back soon. |
| 12:31.02 | SAiF | thanks |
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| 12:32.53 | SAiF | it shows open and closed correctly |
| 12:33.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | WOOOOOOW, cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest does a NIIIIICE lightshow |
| 12:33.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | never knew |
| 12:33.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
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| 12:34.21 | SAiF | :( |
| 12:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | you of course can SEE how it checks each LED |
| 12:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: why :( ? |
| 12:36.02 | SAiF | i dont see light show :) |
| 12:36.14 | SAiF | lol |
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| 12:36.36 | SAiF | amin007110 said something abt a magnet? |
| 12:37.15 | SAiF | do I have to open the back to check whether that magnet is still present |
| 12:37.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | cd /sys/bus/platform/devices/slide |
| 12:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat state |
| 12:37.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | "open" / "close" |
| 12:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> "open" / "closed" |
| 12:38.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | depending on your kbd slider |
| 12:38.52 | SAiF | always closed |
| 12:39.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch cat state |
| 12:39.15 | SAiF | both |
| 12:39.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | (stop with ctrl+C) |
| 12:39.55 | kupe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.04 | kupe | yep |
| 12:40.11 | SAiF | thats an issue, I dont have to use ctrl+c, it automaticly comes to # |
| 12:40.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it never shows "open" then your magnet missing. Get a magnet and place it next to upper row of opened kbd, slide along from Q to P |
| 12:40.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait WHAT? |
| 12:40.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch echo state |
| 12:41.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | does NOT keep displaying the recent value? |
| 12:41.25 | SAiF | yes |
| 12:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | until you abort it |
| 12:41.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a severe problem |
| 12:41.52 | SAiF | but fortunately SW right? |
| 12:41.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, please do a full reflash |
| 12:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | won't cure your probably missong magnet, that got lost at technician when he replaced digitizer |
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| 12:42.42 | SAiF | yes after checking out that magnet from Q to P |
| 12:42.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | (the magnet is "inside" screen slider) |
| 12:43.03 | SAiF | O.o, |
| 12:43.38 | ebzzry | What are the usual "successful" ingredients to accomplish a complete CSSU-Testing installation? |
| 12:43.43 | SAiF | I dont want to think that much I will do a full reflash by night and be back soon, bye |
| 12:44.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF? |
| 12:44.20 | amin007110 | DocScrutinizer05, cat command represent just one result, it doesn't keep printing states. I think. |
| 12:44.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | @ ebzzry |
| 12:45.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: check out ~# watch cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/slide/state |
| 12:45.40 | amin007110 | now yes |
| 12:46.16 | kupe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch -bn1 cat state |
| 12:46.21 | Lava_Croft | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF??? @kupe |
| 12:47.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | freenode issues? |
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| 12:57.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] we achieved another step towards "maemo.org finally rached useful condition": promotion should work, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1364210&postcount=88 |
| 13:01.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | please ask your government to make week 31 "maemo fixing celebration holiday" |
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| 13:02.58 | Lava_Croft | There's already a religious minority responsible for celebration holidays here |
| 13:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it like this everywhere on this globe? |
| 13:03.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and isn't maemo community a religious minority? |
| 13:04.40 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: the whole week? :) |
| 13:04.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yessir |
| 13:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we will see more to come till this week ends |
| 13:05.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 13:05.13 | jon_y | my calendar doesn't show work weeks :( |
| 13:05.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | toldya this bug I spotted was in the heart of maemo.org infra |
| 13:06.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | and rendered it broken since end of last year |
| 13:06.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | now that it's fixed we finally will sort out the few unrelated things easily |
| 13:08.01 | psycho_oreos | So what are those unrelated things just curiously? |
| 13:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1364210&postcount=88 |
| 13:08.23 | psycho_oreos | Ahh yes the autobuilder :) |
| 13:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | dir owner/group/permissions |
| 13:08.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | for example |
| 13:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | we never realized since the jobs doing the promotion been broken thoroughly by that other core bug |
| 13:10.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | now that the jobs work, we can spot those minor simple issues easily |
| 13:11.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe there's more to fix around user credentials/accounts promoting from garage to the other VMs |
| 13:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | but we will fix such stuff too pretty soon now |
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| 13:12.09 | psycho_oreos | At least lesser need for maintanence overheads :D |
| 13:12.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 13:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | takes a hell of a workload off techstaff's shoulders |
| 13:13.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and sixwheeledbeast will be unemployed ;-P |
| 13:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | no more new recurring "old package version got removed by repo-management" |
| 13:14.48 | psycho_oreos | Probably the same goes with those aching apache issues I presume as well? :) |
| 13:16.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | we will clean out quite exactly one million bogus package remove events which will speed up all cronjobs and stop heavy workload on apache for those cronjobs and pages like http://maemo.org/packages/view/pid/ |
| 13:18.19 | jon_y | you run heavy cron jobs on your web server machine? |
| 13:18.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus the cronjobs have a chance to actually finish and not abort with "out of RAM", and apache processes will not timeout and go zombie anymore |
| 13:18.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: you want to run them for us on your machine? ;-P |
| 13:19.06 | psycho_oreos | Yeah, hence those aching issues with apache and OOM. I remember that chunk of OOM errors you pasted the other day. |
| 13:19.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 13:19.28 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: you only have a single server? |
| 13:19.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | partially at least |
| 13:19.53 | psycho_oreos | Any relief is better than none :D that's the bottom line. |
| 13:20.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: please refer to http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure |
| 13:20.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and related pages |
| 13:20.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | linked there |
| 13:21.32 | jon_y | I'm on DSL with about 20KB/s up link |
| 13:21.57 | jon_y | yeah, not much there to help host |
| 13:23.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: I was just kidding you. we don't need more servers to run jobs on them |
| 13:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have two blades populated with a hexacore, on a supermicro server, and we gonna pupulate a third blade eventually |
| 13:24.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | populate even |
| 13:25.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: see http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?r=hour&cs=&ce=&m=load_one&s=by+name&c=maemo&h=&host_regex=&max_graphs=0&tab=m&vn=&sh=2&z=small&hc=4 |
| 13:25.09 | kerio | 90% of those resources end up feeding a php monstruosity, sadly :( |
| 13:25.29 | jon_y | ugh, I hate php after working with them |
| 13:25.40 | jon_y | the syntax the syntax! |
| 13:25.47 | jon_y | phpsadness |
| 13:26.01 | kerio | or lack thereof |
| 13:26.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 13:27.20 | jon_y | I was actually bitten by the php "special" ternary |
| 13:27.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | typically we're idling a lot, nevertheless |
| 13:27.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | what we need is more storage and more memory |
| 13:28.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we will get both with a third blade eventually |
| 13:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | then we even got enough resources to joggle with to set up a development environment where we could test improvements to maemo.org |
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| 13:30.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | if we find any maintainers/devels willing to take care and with enough free time for the workload this implies |
| 13:30.21 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: ooh, flopswap is in testing :D |
| 13:30.30 | kerio | what's flopswap? |
| 13:30.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi freemangordon :-) |
| 13:30.44 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hi |
| 13:31.06 | kerio | (swapon swap2 && swapoff swap1) || (swapon swap1 && swapoff swap2)? |
| 13:31.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | kinda |
| 13:31.21 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: please post on TMO that autobuilder/repos are just fine, something in the line of "developers, developers..." :D |
| 13:31.47 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: asking EVERYBODY not needing extras-devel to disable it immediately |
| 13:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually, freemangordon. I got an appointment with GF |
| 13:32.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | will kill me when I'm late |
| 13:32.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I don't give a shit about your sexual life :P |
| 13:32.22 | freemangordon | ok |
| 13:32.27 | freemangordon | no hurry |
| 13:32.28 | kerio | i just use the watchdog to reset my swap usage |
| 13:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rape freemangordon |
| 13:32.35 | infobot | ACTION takes freemangordon behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 13:32.48 | kerio | something tends to reboot my n900 before i've used my 2gb swap |
| 13:32.49 | freemangordon | kerio: the point is that promotion works ;) |
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| 13:32.53 | kerio | yay |
| 13:33.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2GB swap are insane nonsense |
| 13:33.42 | kerio | and yet |
| 13:33.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | watchdog will reboot device when kernel tries to swap large amounts of it |
| 13:34.09 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: once we cleanup the events table, I suspect we'll have some RAM freed |
| 13:34.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | even .7GB are already too large |
| 13:34.20 | kerio | actually, the only time the watchdog triggered was when i was connected to a really flaky wifi hotspot |
| 13:34.29 | kerio | so i just assumed it was a powersaving issue |
| 13:34.35 | kerio | that caused a panic |
| 13:34.40 | freemangordon | (re infra resources) |
| 13:34.52 | kerio | but idk if a kernel panic ends up as a watchdog reboot in bootreason |
| 13:35.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only reason why they used 768MB of swap space, except for marketing blabla, been that swap fragmentation kicks in later |
| 13:35.38 | kerio | yeah |
| 13:35.41 | kerio | and 2gb is even later |
| 13:35.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't reasonably use >maybe 500MB swap on a OMAP3 device with flash |
| 13:36.09 | kerio | of course you can't |
| 13:36.22 | kerio | i doubt you can get to 256mb of swap sanely |
| 13:36.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | that would be what I'd use for swap size |
| 13:36.43 | kerio | even if it doesn't crash, it'll perform horribly |
| 13:37.00 | kerio | 500mb of swap means you have to cycle swap partitions a lot more often than me |
| 13:37.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then use floopswap or sth like that, frequently |
| 13:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2 swap partitions of 256MB each |
| 13:37.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | absolutely sufficient |
| 13:38.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | keep one active, one to swapswap |
| 13:38.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | (swapon swap2 && swapoff swap1) || (swapon swap1 && swapoff swap2) |
| 13:38.56 | kerio | assuming swapon fails if the partition is already enabled |
| 13:39.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, won't prolly work, but nice oneliner anyway |
| 13:39.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 13:39.35 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: maemo will complain if only 256MB of swap is set |
| 13:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, why? |
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| 13:39.57 | kerio | i would actually make it barely more than 256mb |
| 13:39.59 | freemangordon | OMM killer settings |
| 13:40.04 | kerio | really? |
| 13:40.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 13:40.11 | kerio | but... there's 256mb |
| 13:40.13 | kerio | it's not out |
| 13:40.28 | freemangordon | check in /proc/sys/vm/... |
| 13:40.57 | freemangordon | IIRC OOM killer kicks in too early if anything < 512MB is set |
| 13:41.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I recently reswapped to a tiny swap partition I happened to have on my uSD, and maemo actually unloeded some preloaded processes, but recovered just fine after reswapping again back to 768MB |
| 13:41.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and device been usable though laggy on that tiny swap as well |
| 13:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | laggy on stuff like opening dialer etc |
| 13:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | not generally laggy |
| 13:42.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course, since it needs to swap out or even stop other processes to start up dialer when needed |
| 13:43.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | but all that been completely transparent to user and not really had any negative impact on fremantle operation |
| 13:43.49 | psycho_oreos | So then make four "slabs" of swap with 256MB each, whilst simultaneously enabling two extra swaps (of 256MB) disable the other two swaps (of 256MB)? |
| 13:43.58 | kerio | psycho_oreos: why? :s |
| 13:44.09 | kerio | ...hell, i think i might have *two* 2gb swap partitions on the usd |
| 13:44.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | it just introduced some lag when opening new stuff like dialer etc, and of course some loglines in syslog from OOM |
| 13:44.16 | psycho_oreos | kerio, trying to kill two birds with one stone :) |
| 13:44.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | OHM? |
| 13:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | HD even? |
| 13:45.58 | psycho_oreos | HD OOM? |
| 13:46.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually 3 swap partitions of 192MB each, of which always 2 are active, that might be worth a try |
| 13:46.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | HD is the process managing the preload stuff |
| 13:46.55 | psycho_oreos | Ahh. |
| 13:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are some rather nifty scripts somewhere |
| 13:47.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | or was it actually c source? |
| 13:48.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't recall, I looked into it when trying to figure what parameters the .desktop X-MAMEO-PRELOAD= key takes, except 'always' |
| 13:48.17 | kerio | 'never' |
| 13:48.26 | kerio | 'sometimes' |
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| 13:49.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it doesn't support any other values, but once it been planned to support other stuff that hen didn't pan out |
| 13:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ hen/ then/ |
| 13:52.12 | Kupe | hello everyone |
| 13:52.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry >>X-Maemo-Prestarted=always<< |
| 13:52.56 | psycho_oreos | On second thoughts of 3x192MB swaps. It probably will still trigger OOM killer since the threshold was < 512MB swap. |
| 13:53.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | find the code that hanles this, and you also found the code that handles unloading of processes when short on RAM |
| 13:53.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 13:54.07 | psycho_oreos | would rather look at the shortcomings of quick and dirty hacks :D |
| 13:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kupe: hi! here to stay this time? |
| 13:55.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-01 14:46:15] <kupe> |
| 13:55.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-01 14:46:19] <-- kupe has left this channel ("Leaving"). |
| 13:55.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 13:56.00 | Kupe | need help on uboot |
| 13:56.13 | Kupe | :( |
| 13:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 13:56.17 | psycho_oreos | It seemed almost like kupe "ragequit" *ducks* |
| 13:56.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kupe: so shoot! |
| 13:56.54 | psycho_oreos | Kupe, did you do what kerio said earlier on? there were two things you needed to do and you mentioned you did one. Nothing about the other. |
| 13:57.24 | Kupe | http://pastebin.com/ELeEGd3p and postimg.org/image/r35tdlvlv/70e3b7a9/ |
| 13:57.47 | Kupe | I already did both |
| 13:57.49 | Lava_Croft | good focus |
| 13:59.18 | Kupe | I have u-boot flasher , fiasco-image_update ask and uboot tools installed |
| 14:00.16 | Kupe | I installed it using ham |
| 14:00.56 | psycho_oreos | <kerio> kupe: have you installed the bootimg? <--- I think that was left unanswered. |
| 14:01.20 | Kupe | ya it is installed |
| 14:02.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves and vanishes |
| 14:02.50 | Kupe | sorry guys it seems like noone is going to help |
| 14:04.03 | Kupe | I thought I should find out what I did wrong but... |
| 14:04.05 | Kupe | bye |
| 14:04.08 | psycho_oreos | ~uboot |
| 14:04.08 | infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files |
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| 14:05.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 14:07.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | "nobody solving my problem, despite I already waiting 10min. See ya" *cough* |
| 14:07.49 | psycho_oreos | Can't help the helpless. We're not glued permanently to our devices 24x7 with complete wizardry-like level of skills when it comes to maemo devices. |
| 14:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | annoying |
| 14:08.47 | psycho_oreos | It in itself is probably also a sign that this impatient user may soon part the N900. |
| 14:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 14:09.06 | psycho_oreos | senses probably another N900 will be available to buy soon enough. |
| 14:09.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 14:09.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 14:11.05 | psycho_oreos | Besides.. here isn't paid/priority/priviledged support. Here is community driven free help, nobody is obliged to help out regardless of whatever they were doing beforehand. |
| 14:11.34 | jon_y | what if he dumps the n900 into the recycling bin? |
| 14:11.38 | jon_y | nooooooo!!! |
| 14:12.28 | psycho_oreos | I don't think he would be that dumb to do that but who knows what he'll do with it. Hopefully the more sane way is to sell it to someone who would be more patient enough. |
| 14:13.17 | jon_y | do not underestimate what angry people do |
| 14:13.34 | jon_y | or the impatient |
| 14:14.21 | psycho_oreos | do not overthink about the situation either. Its not your device in the first place :) |
| 14:14.49 | jon_y | yeah, too bad |
| 14:17.13 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure the majority of us would like to think that he would have a more sane approach. He was evidently too impatient and is pretty lucky considering how many testers before him risked their devices to get a functional uboot. |
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| 14:28.09 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: At least you have a girlfriend. I barely even have any local female true friends. ☹ |
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| 14:33.24 | brolin_empey | Incidentally, I want ckermit for Maemo 5 but I do not want to sidetrack myself to try building and packaging ckermit for Maemo 5. ☹ |
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| 14:37.48 | Kupe | well Yes i was impatient I have been trying to get working uboot on my n900 since morning and couldn't find what I am doing wrong |
| 14:38.26 | Kupe | but that doesn't mean I am going to sell my n900 :) |
| 14:39.07 | brolin_empey | will have to settle for minicom for the few times he needs a handheld serial terminal emulator. ☹ |
| 14:40.43 | Kupe | maybe its better to wait for newer version uboot 2013.7 |
| 14:44.03 | brolin_empey | Or remember to finally try using GNU screen as a serial terminal emulator. |
| 14:44.51 | SAiF | phsyco_oreos: your senses are wrong in kupes case.. :) |
| 14:45.19 | Kupe | ya |
| 14:49.54 | brolin_empey | Heh, nice cobweb site: http://kermit.wwarthen.com/ |
| 14:51.32 | SAiF | http://www.tox.im/ |
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| 14:57.08 | psycho_oreos | The walls have ears.. o.O |
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| 14:59.55 | psycho_oreos | At least I wasn't completely wrong in my speculations :p N900 is an old device no matter how you look at it and I didn't think there would still be people that are impatient and not willing to part their beloved N900s :D |
| 15:01.25 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure t.m.o. would have a fair few threads about ubooting. There you might be able to pick up some clues as to why it may not work in your case. If all else fails, it doesn't hurt to ignite the same old threads about uboot again and wait for someone to give you maybe some directions. |
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| 15:37.24 | ShadowJK | phew. got crossed out sim icon, but no errors in dmesg. Reboot didn't help. Turned out the sim card was actually dislodged |
| 15:37.37 | kerio | phew indeed |
| 15:38.05 | kerio | kupe left again, wtf |
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| 15:47.04 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure whoever relayed messages to kupe about what was said after he left again will inform him either way. |
| 15:50.06 | kerio | omg omg omg omg omg pypy for ARM |
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| 15:52.55 | kerio | freemangordon: omg omg omg omg |
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| 15:55.55 | kerio | brolin_empey: i always found minicom to be better than screen to act as a serial terminal |
| 15:56.14 | kerio | screen always fucked up the pseudographical characters during the debian installs on my sheevaplug |
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| 16:19.48 | SAiF | sorry to bother you guys, but I just cant find that tiny little software (work around) for driver installation for flashing in win 7 64. |
| 16:20.14 | SAiF | It works great, and easy, but couldnt find it anymore. any help is appreciated. |
| 16:21.21 | thedead1440 | SAiF: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Issues_with_64-bit_Windows_and_Workarounds |
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| 16:25.00 | SAiF | thanks, and .. |
| 16:25.38 | SAiF | Okay by reading that thread again I now know it was libusb-win32, again any links? |
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| 16:29.00 | thedead1440 | again did you read it properly? The link is right there: http://sourceforge.net/projects/libusb-win32/files/latest/download |
| 16:29.09 | thedead1440 | ;) |
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| 16:31.40 | SAiF | There is something really wrong with me, I still couldnt find it, may be I am not looking well enough, the second google link get me to this same page. |
| 16:31.57 | SAiF | but thank you for your assistance.. |
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| 16:46.09 | bef0rd | RzR: ffx phone was released in Venezuela today :) twitter.com/mozillaVe |
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| 18:05.05 | ecc2g | clear |
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| 18:34.49 | RzR | bef0rd, yes and http://rzr.online.fr/q/firefoxos# Did @mozilla actually said that in #Brazil there is still no date for the release or price ? #FireFoxOs ? |
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| 18:56.17 | freemangordon | kerio: hmm? |
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| 19:01.32 | kerio | pypy for ARM :D |
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| 19:01.41 | kerio | build pls |
| 19:01.59 | freemangordon | wtf is that? |
| 19:02.25 | freemangordon | python? |
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| 20:26.07 | kerio | yup |
| 20:26.27 | kerio | a JITted python implemented in a subset of python |
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| 20:54.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | *burp* |
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| 21:55.19 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: DocScrutinizer05: sysop-team: Top marks on fixing autobuilder :) thank you. |
| 21:55.54 | sixwheeledbeast | I have successfully promoted two packages to testing. |
| 21:56.30 | sixwheeledbeast | Also ML was a good idea. |
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| 22:32.51 | ecc2g | hmm... the internal resistance of my battery has increased enough to trigger low battery on high load... then after some rest, the battery gauge goes back to where it was before the spike... |
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| 22:52.44 | Psi | any n900 news i should know about, ive not looked in here in years |
| 22:52.57 | Psi | still using my n900 though |
| 22:53.37 | Psi | im interested in speed related tweeks |
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| 23:08.14 | freemangordon | Psi: cssu-thumb |
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| 23:16.15 | Psi | freemangordon: you running it? |
| 23:16.37 | freemangordon | Psi: but ofc, I am the maintainer :D |
| 23:16.49 | freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb |
| 23:16.49 | infobot | [cssu-thumb] <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 |
| 23:16.51 | Psi | ah, hehe |
| 23:18.37 | Psi | i think i really need to reinstall everything, its been running for years and all sorts of crap has been installed |
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| 23:42.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | dont cry when I'm nor answering |
| 23:42.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll take an outtime |
| 23:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a week, or a month, or... |
| 23:44.09 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm? |
| 23:44.17 | freemangordon | we have a query to execute on mo :) |
| 23:44.53 | freemangordon | no day off before that :P |
| 23:44.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
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