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| 00:52.25 | win7mac | gn o/ |
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| 05:05.34 | DrCode | hi all |
| 05:05.40 | DrCode | how do I configure rss widget? |
| 05:05.49 | SAiF | HI.. |
| 05:06.31 | Sicelo | DrCode: what do you mean? |
| 05:06.55 | DrCode | I add rss widget |
| 05:06.57 | DrCode | but how do I had rss ? |
| 05:07.13 | DrCode | can I import from feedly or google rss? |
| 05:07.15 | Sicelo | rss widget is tied with rss application.. so configure the rss application itself |
| 05:07.52 | DrCode | what rss appliction I can use? |
| 05:08.06 | DrCode | I am new with n900 |
| 05:08.06 | DrCode | sorry |
| 05:08.18 | DrCode | is it build in or I need to install? |
| 05:08.25 | Sicelo | built in.. |
| 05:08.36 | Sicelo | called just RSS |
| 05:08.44 | DrCode | where can I find it? |
| 05:08.52 | DrCode | in appliction ? |
| 05:08.52 | SAiF | look |
| 05:09.09 | DrCode | thankyou |
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| 06:33.09 | DrCode | hi all |
| 06:34.02 | DrCode | is it possible to import google rss into maemo rss? |
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| 09:40.38 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: why can't a blind person... |
| 09:40.47 | jon_y | you know, just ask for help? :| |
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| 11:32.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: you need to discuss this with Mr Poettering |
| 11:32.53 | jon_y | a sock puppet is more productive :) |
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| 11:35.56 | Lava_Croft | envy is a painful emotion |
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| 11:41.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | extracting toe nails is a panful procedire |
| 11:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ire/ure/ |
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| 11:42.59 | Lava_Croft | not as painful as seeing people hate on poettering |
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| 12:07.59 | DrCode | hi all |
| 12:08.01 | DrCode | I have extracted and copy easydebian image, how can I run it in maemo? |
| 12:08.36 | DrCode | dose it share same env of maemo ? bcz I dont want to break my maemo os |
| 12:10.41 | ashley | DrCode: have you read through http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian already? |
| 12:11.10 | Lava_Croft | and if you don't really understand it, don't feel bad |
| 12:11.15 | Lava_Croft | you probably don't need it anyway |
| 12:12.25 | DrCode | yes , I read it |
| 12:12.45 | DrCode | I have dowload other image |
| 12:12.53 | DrCode | not from menu |
| 12:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://srlabs.de/rooting-sim-cards/ \o/ |
| 12:24.28 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: playing with binary SMS right now, although I've yet to sniff a sample BinSMS from my carrier. |
| 12:30.47 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: BTW, turns out SIM blanks can be bought rather easily and programmed with a cloned Ki and IMSI. |
| 12:31.12 | Hurrian | couple that with any rooted Mediatek Android phone, and you've got your very own phone cloning toolkit |
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| 12:42.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 12:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still have to read out my 1999 SIM which actually *can* get cloned to old classical way I'd hope |
| 12:43.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | should do that before the rotten old piece eventually craps out |
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| 14:41.05 | Pali | merlin1991: ping |
| 14:41.15 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: ping |
| 14:41.48 | Pali | RMO is broken |
| 14:42.11 | Pali | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/ is not same as http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/ |
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| 14:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yes, known issue |
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| 14:48.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes and merlin1991 promised to look into it and eventually fix it |
| 14:48.54 | Pali | ok |
| 14:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes even did an epic work of comparing the two and listing all differences |
| 14:49.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I haven't heard of xes for the last 3 or so weeks |
| 14:49.45 | Pali | now on TMO somebody who cannot update repositories because of this error |
| 14:49.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | but his results are uploaded to maemo.org |
| 14:50.04 | Pali | and I bet there are lot of people which have this problem... |
| 14:50.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know, but I already gave up. I can't do anything about it, we have too few and too inactive maintainers |
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| 14:51.47 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: it is problem to run? $ mv fremantle-1.3 fremantle-1.3-old && ln -s fremantle fremantle-1.3 |
| 14:52.09 | Pali | or is there some scripts which touching also fremantle-1.3 dir? |
| 14:52.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't know what to do, except a) watch maemo.org go over the cliff during next max 2 months, due to irrecoverable bitrot, or b) shut it down right away to stop bitrot so we might eventually recover when the manpower is available |
| 14:53.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I'm simply tired of deciding and even doing all that on my own (responsibility and evaluation) |
| 14:54.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm even more tired of guys rushing over it and rendering it even more broken, while not communicating what they plan to do or did, not to ask for discussing those actiones prior to doing them |
| 14:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I'm clueless what to do |
| 14:56.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | not only about rmo schizophrenia |
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| 14:58.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I should put up a frontpage "DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE. MAINTAINERS WANTED!" |
| 14:59.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | last time I shut down www.m.o nobody even complained for 24h, it probably went unnoticed |
| 14:59.21 | SAiF | yep. I guess you should |
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| 17:43.08 | panjgoori | hello everyone. can anyone tell me how to disable hardware slide to unlock button ? |
| 17:43.27 | panjgoori | mine i don't know its damaged or not but its keeps unlocking and locking device |
| 17:44.40 | panjgoori | here is the thread at TMO if anyone wants to give it a look http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1362051 |
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| 17:48.03 | Pali | panjgoori: look at /etc/mce/mce.ini config file |
| 17:48.05 | Pali | lock slide button is handled by mce |
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| 17:56.27 | panjgoori | thanks Pali. will give it a look now. |
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| 18:19.29 | panjgoori | @Pali: which settings in mce.ini do i have to edit in order to disable hardware slide to unlock ? |
| 18:19.43 | Pali | I do not know now |
| 18:19.55 | Pali | read config file it has comments/documentation |
| 18:20.20 | Pali | if I remember correctly in this file was able to configure "slide" action |
| 18:21.22 | panjgoori | @Pali: ok will give it look. if i don't understand will ask u |
| 18:23.50 | shentey | hi DocScrutinizer05, any update for my account? (see https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-07-24.log.html#t2013-07-24T06:51:33) |
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| 18:32.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | shentey: still here? |
| 18:32.16 | shentey | DocScrutinizer05: yes |
| 18:32.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 18:33.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | shentey: I checked your garage user data and there your "extras-account" is "active" |
| 18:34.22 | shentey | DocScrutinizer05: I just tried today to upload a test file and I still got the error message "this is a restricted account" |
| 18:34.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | but alas our whole infra is on the brink of total global failure, so you need to tell me what exactly doesn't work for you yet, and I will have to look into it what can be done by what means, and get your feedback o every action I do |
| 18:34.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | upload how exactly? |
| 18:34.58 | shentey | via scp |
| 18:35.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | what? to where? by which means? |
| 18:35.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | scp mhm |
| 18:35.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | to? |
| 18:35.46 | shentey | argh, I forgot the whole command... |
| 18:35.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | best you paste the whole cmdline |
| 18:36.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooops |
| 18:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like I ever used scp for uploading anything to maemo during the last... 25 years |
| 18:36.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I need your input on that |
| 18:37.04 | panjgoori | @Pali: what is homekey section in mce.ini ? |
| 18:37.21 | shentey | DocScrutinizer05: scp test shentey@drop.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/ |
| 18:37.30 | Pali | panjgoori: do not remember, maybe home button on N8x0? |
| 18:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | panjgoori: relevant probably only for N8x0 |
| 18:37.37 | shentey | -> "This is a restricted account." |
| 18:37.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | shentey: thanks |
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| 18:44.43 | panjgoori | @Pali: i'm not understanding that which config should i edit in mce.ini in order to disable hardware slide to unlock. there are some settings in TKlock. |
| 18:44.55 | panjgoori | TKlock section in mce.ini |
| 18:45.06 | Pali | TKlock is maybe that |
| 18:46.19 | panjgoori | @Pali: should i upload mce.ini file somewhere so you can check it ? |
| 18:46.53 | Pali | I cannot check if file is really OK |
| 18:47.02 | Pali | do backup before changing |
| 18:48.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: what could safely get uploaded to drop.m.o to test account? |
| 18:48.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | so autobuilder would ignore it |
| 18:48.47 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: is autobuilder ignoring something? |
| 18:48.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno |
| 18:48.56 | Pali | I bet nothing |
| 18:49.04 | Pali | what you want? |
| 18:49.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | autobuilder noob here |
| 18:49.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | shentey want to check his scp access |
| 18:49.41 | Pali | so you want to send something to autobuilder only for testing?ň |
| 18:49.51 | Pali | send package "test" |
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| 18:51.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds good. could you tell shentey how to do that? |
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| 18:52.02 | shentey | is waiting for instructions |
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| 18:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | shentey: don't you have a real package of marble to upload? |
| 18:53.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, either it fails or it uploads, eh? |
| 18:54.23 | shentey | I could create a broken one for Fremantle that should build or I could create one for Harmattan that hopefully doesnt |
| 18:55.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | just please don't mess with version/revision - it should be strictly monotonic |
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| 18:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise repo management freaks out and possibly removes stuff that's new or never stops to try remove old stuff and fails, several times a day |
| 18:56.16 | Earthwings_ | DocScrutinizer05: that command (uploading an empty file) works for my account at least |
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| 18:58.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, seems you can upload arbitrary stuff to ~/private, and almost arbitrary stuff to ~/www |
| 18:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno |
| 18:59.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you also could down (or evenup)load your .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 19:00.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2 |
| 19:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | .ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 19:00.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | which looks good for shentey |
| 19:00.49 | shentey | scp test shentey@drop.maemo.org:private -> Permission denied |
| 19:00.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
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| 19:02.58 | shentey | I chould just download the .ssh folder |
| 19:03.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | try to upload to ~ |
| 19:03.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | not to pribvate |
| 19:03.42 | shentey | it contains a authorized_keys2 file |
| 19:03.51 | shentey | is that correct? |
| 19:04.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 19:04.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | also should include sftp? dunno |
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| 19:04.48 | shentey | alright, I could successfully upload the test file to ~ |
| 19:05.26 | FIQ | ~ask |
| 19:05.26 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 19:05.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I deleted it before it does some harm |
| 19:05.38 | FIQ | hmm what was that link |
| 19:05.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~question |
| 19:05.47 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 19:05.51 | FIQ | ah |
| 19:06.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | duno wtf are those private and www dirs, they are all not owned by user |
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| 19:06.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | drwx------ 2 www-data www-data 4096 Nov 2 2012 private │ |
| 19:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | │drwx------ 2 www-data www-data 4096 Nov 2 2012 www │ |
| 19:06.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | │ |
| 19:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, sorry |
| 19:07.11 | FIQ | spaces! |
| 19:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | c&p from mc ncurses |
| 19:07.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | not a brilliant idea ;-) |
| 19:07.38 | FIQ | haha |
| 19:08.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | shentey: if it suddenly fails, then some friggin script in maemo.org infra reverted the edit to etc/passwd I just did for your accout |
| 19:09.29 | shentey | DocScrutinizer05: you mean it should work now? |
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| 19:09.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, scp seems to work |
| 19:09.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what else will bork |
| 19:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think once you have an account in drop://etc/passwd, it doesn't get updated even when user data in garage changes suggesting a different logib-"shell" |
| 19:10.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | login-* |
| 19:11.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus you ended with gitsh.pl while you'd need svngitsh.pl |
| 19:12.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | but of course I could be wrong and in 5 mi some cronjob reverted your account on drop back to gitsh.pl |
| 19:12.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | grabs a beverage |
| 19:13.01 | win7mac | ;) |
| 19:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Earthwings_: your account is OK? |
| 19:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | shentey: next obstacle: once a package got built, it doesn't propagate to repo automatically, you need to pester merlin1991 to propagate it manually |
| 19:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 19:15.25 | shentey | hmm ok |
| 19:15.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | so DO NOT upload and build it again, when you're not seeing it showing up in repo |
| 19:15.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~2119 |
| 19:15.35 | infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. |
| 19:15.42 | shentey | I'll upload a (well-formed) package for Harmattan for testing |
| 19:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see the purpose |
| 19:16.06 | Earthwings_ | DocScrutinizer05: right. but shentey wears our maemo packagers dude hat now |
| 19:16.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Earthwings_: sure |
| 19:16.42 | shentey | ok |
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| 19:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | uploading welformed bogus packages has potetial to thoroughly fsckup your project |
| 19:16.57 | shentey | Earthwings_: still got the bash script for creating the package? |
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| 19:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | pali can tell you stories about packages getting stuck and never recovering ;-) |
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| 19:18.23 | Earthwings_ | shentey: i'm pretty sure i have, second |
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| 19:19.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and here we are again! WB! |
| 19:19.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, that was funy |
| 19:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny even |
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| 19:41.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Were coming to get ya, were coming to get ya |
| 19:42.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | the almost got me |
| 19:51.13 | Cor-Ai | downloads DocScrutinizer05 |
| 19:51.16 | Cor-Ai | gotyah! :D |
| 19:51.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKE3ZLj7_V8 |
| 19:51.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes Zappa makes my day |
| 19:52.17 | Cor-Ai | no sound :/ |
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| 21:04.17 | LjL | hi, is this still the right place to ask about the N900? (i don't really have a specific question at the moment though, i just got an N900 and i was wondering if i could get a roundup of the latest installable pieces of OS and other software) |
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| 21:05.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, this for sure is the right place |
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| 21:06.18 | LjL | i suppose you don't get many people asking about the N900 these days :P |
| 21:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | more than about anything else |
| 21:07.06 | win7mac | hehe |
| 21:07.53 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 21:08.06 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer05 -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
| 21:08.10 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 21:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Cor-Ai: why no sound? on which platform? which browser? |
| 21:11.54 | Cor-Ai | DocScrutinizer05: arch but i riped the cord out on the motherboard.. it was in the way :P |
| 21:12.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ah! |
| 21:12.24 | Cor-Ai | hehe :P drunk.. |
| 21:12.29 | Cor-Ai | I was* |
| 21:12.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, time for booze and burger |
| 21:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 21:12.55 | Cor-Ai | \o |
| 21:13.05 | LjL | oh, ugh, i guess i lied and i do have a specific question, is the N900 going to explode if i play with battery utilities? i'm a bit paranoid about li-ion batteries and i've just been reading about BME and the fact the N900 charges the battery in software - i'm not sure this makes me want to try any alternative OS images i might have wanted to have fun with :\ |
| 21:17.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: no, N900 hardware is safe, you basically can't make battery harm by software |
| 21:18.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | the software support needed by hw charging is to keep charging going, as an additional safety measure |
| 21:20.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | my battery charging draft is tested since long, and just works. There's no way to completely mess up battery charging in N900, other than simply tearing it down and thus eventually ending with depleted battery (as bad as even that may be for you) |
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| 21:21.29 | LjL | that's a relief, a rant at http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=438 had made me fear, and then http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME saying, i hope as a joke, "not make the battery explode" seemed to confirm it :P |
| 21:21.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, in my book there#s no alternative OS worth it (except maybe mer) |
| 21:22.07 | LjL | DocScrutinizer05: that's useful to know, in fact i'm a bit confused about the current OS panorama |
| 21:22.21 | LjL | things have changed so many names and updates |
| 21:23.42 | LjL | when you say Mer, do you mean the old Mer or - if i'm correct about this - the Nemo "personality" of the new Mer? |
| 21:23.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | that first rant is factually incorrect |
| 21:24.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably the new one |
| 21:25.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | (rant) Nokia does NOT do battery charging in software, and I *was* bold enough to RE it ;-) |
| 21:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I proofed that it#s safe |
| 21:26.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a "mathematical" level |
| 21:26.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | not by any "WFM" experiments |
| 21:27.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, Nokia actually _did_ it in sw, but not in N900. N8x0 however is another story |
| 21:27.10 | LjL | gotcha. i don't know who you are exactly but i do know you're aren't a random rookie around here ;) |
| 21:27.19 | LjL | yay! 'cause i have an N810 |
| 21:27.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg |
| 21:27.35 | infobot | [joerg] a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 21:28.54 | LjL | well i guess i will use my N900 and *not* my N810 as a testing bed |
| 21:29.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | good plan. Though N810 has better USB hardware, the other hw parts are not on par by far with N900 |
| 21:30.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even USB cost me ~1 year of my life, but finally I got it to do USB hostmode which Nokia always claimed was absolutely impossible |
| 21:31.33 | Apic | \o/ |
| 21:31.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | it almost _was_ impssible ;-) |
| 21:31.42 | Apic | B-) |
| 21:31.45 | LjL | hehe |
| 21:32.04 | Apic | Person who says it is impossible should not interrupt person doing it. |
| 21:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, from a corporate and product manager perspective it still is impossible |
| 21:33.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | H-E-N is an "impossible" app |
| 21:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | when Nokia would have dared to suggest such an approach, they would have seen a proper shitstorm |
| 21:34.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | high time for booze |
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| 21:38.09 | sixwheeledbeast | Anybody know of a good cross platform to-do list/checklist program for multiple users? N900 compatible obviously. |
| 21:40.02 | ecc2g | yikes, the mystery continues... I stuck my sim card and battery back into my 5230 symbian phone and it got an agps lock in seconds... checked the supl server and it was a t-mobile server (my carrier). I copied that server to my n900 and started it up again... no dice :( |
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| 21:43.44 | Sicelo | hmm, now that's more weird.. |
| 21:44.13 | Sicelo | where did the t-mobile setting come from? i mean, how did it get into the symbian at all? |
| 21:44.50 | ecc2g | I did not set it... must have came with the phone (it is a nuron, and is t-mobile branded) |
| 21:46.34 | ecc2g | googling that server, lbs.geo.t-mobile.com, they have reported certificate errors before... it almost seems they are doing a iemi check or something |
| 21:46.55 | ecc2g | err... two unrelated things but nevermind |
| 21:46.59 | Sicelo | mystery solved then :-/ |
| 21:49.34 | ecc2g | that server uses a t-mobile self signed certificate... |
| 21:50.15 | Sicelo | i doubt maemo will be happy with such a cert |
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| 21:51.43 | ecc2g | hmm... install their CA cert? |
| 21:55.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | possible |
| 21:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you can extract it from sybian |
| 21:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB this is a client side cert to authenicate to the server. Exactly opposide what you normally got with https: |
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