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| 00:22.43 | FIQ|n900 | well there we go, now *that* was fixed |
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| 00:53.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/695a4e8d8b |
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| 00:54.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | HMMM älter als 8 Tage (Das Alter ist 204,3 Tage |
| 00:54.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | starts updatedb |
| 00:56.05 | FIQ|n900 | hm... |
| 00:57.21 | FIQ|n900 | ran into delayed (not failed) bindmounts, but not sure why it stalls |
| 00:57.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe quite interesting to see how updatedb made my drive acticity indicator LED shine red |
| 00:57.45 | FIQ|n900 | # Redirect stderr into the log file (don't forget to restore when exiting!) |
| 00:57.46 | FIQ|n900 | exec 2 >>"$protocol" |
| 00:58.10 | FIQ|n900 | then my own log file didn't show anything for a while |
| 00:58.21 | FIQ|n900 | checked the log file in question that it mentions |
| 00:58.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf are you green now, while [2013-07-24 02:22:43] <FIQ|n900> well ther... was red? |
| 00:59.45 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: possibly because I had the nick FredrIQ|n900 before |
| 00:59.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/24/plasma-desktopph3743.png |
| 00:59.59 | FIQ|n900 | and xchat didn't refresh until rejoin |
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| 01:00.41 | FIQ|n900 | oh yeah had FredrIQ|n900 at first during that session |
| 01:01.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# time updatedb |
| 01:01.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | real 1m22.686s |
| 01:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | user 0m48.125s |
| 01:01.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sys 0m15.320s |
| 01:02.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see any difference between <FIQ|n900> (red) and <FIQ|n900> (green) |
| 01:03.56 | FIQ|n900 | "# Check if /home/pot is mount bound to /opt" pot :D |
| 01:03.59 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: well |
| 01:04.02 | *** part/#maemo FIQ|n900 (~FIQ@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 01:04.14 | *** join/#maemo FredrIQ|n900 (~FIQ@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 01:04.23 | FredrIQ|n900 | what |
| 01:04.33 | FIQ|n900 | color do I have now? |
| 01:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | waits for checkered FIQ|n900 |
| 01:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | RED |
| 01:04.51 | FIQ|n900 | that was my point :P |
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| 01:04.58 | FIQ|n900 | lol checkered |
| 01:05.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc how konversation picks nick colors |
| 01:05.36 | FIQ|n900 | based on nick |
| 01:05.46 | FIQ|n900 | keeps same color on renick |
| 01:05.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd have used md5sum%8 or sth |
| 01:05.51 | FIQ|n900 | before user rejoins |
| 01:05.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | on nick |
| 01:06.00 | FIQ|n900 | yeah |
| 01:06.05 | FIQ|n900 | that's what it does |
| 01:06.14 | FIQ|n900 | well not necessarily md5sum |
| 01:06.22 | FIQ|n900 | but some algoritm based on the nick |
| 01:06.38 | FIQ|n900 | however it keeps the same color if the user changes nick |
| 01:06.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh I seee |
| 01:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | you say it depends om what nick you *joined* the channel |
| 01:07.12 | FIQ|n900 | (before the user leaves and come back with this new nick) |
| 01:07.13 | FIQ|n900 | yeah |
| 01:07.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it seems it does |
| 01:07.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 01:08.29 | FIQ|n900 | anyway, that logfile didn't really help explaining why bindmounts was delayed |
| 01:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | so <FIQ|n900>(RED) been <FIQ|n900><<joined as FredrIQ|n900> |
| 01:08.36 | FIQ|n900 | however - if it fails again |
| 01:08.42 | FIQ|n900 | like it did earlier todat |
| 01:08.45 | FIQ|n900 | *today |
| 01:08.50 | FIQ|n900 | perhaps I can figure it out |
| 01:09.05 | FIQ|n900 | yes |
| 01:09.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | make that "time mount bla brubble" |
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| 01:10.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | also you might want to do "cat /proc/mounts" before |
| 01:10.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | if nuttin else helps: strace mount |
| 01:10.44 | FIQ|n900 | perhaps I should place a date before it switch logfile |
| 01:10.48 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: well |
| 01:11.02 | FIQ|n900 | the issue was not with the mount |
| 01:11.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I'm afraid messybox will neuter that |
| 01:11.14 | FIQ|n900 | lol |
| 01:11.16 | FIQ|n900 | but anyway |
| 01:11.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget the timestamp parameter for strace! |
| 01:11.59 | FIQ|n900 | basically, rcS-late switch to maemo-optify-boottime.log logfile (for exec 2) at a certain part in the script |
| 01:12.09 | FIQ|n900 | this phase took 2 minutes |
| 01:13.02 | FIQ|n900 | I'll place a date indicator at this part, and a real seperator between sessions (there's none making it hard to figure out where the current session is) in that other logfile |
| 01:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah optify-boottime may take some while |
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| 01:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | date +%x is convenient |
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| 01:14.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and "trap 'echo ###############' exit" |
| 01:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | though nfc if that will work in friggin upstart scripts |
| 01:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems rcS-late is in fact a upstart script, according to your pastebin |
| 01:16.06 | FIQ|n900 | uh huh? |
| 01:16.10 | FIQ|n900 | that was weird |
| 01:16.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-23 23:59:33] <FIQ|n900> http://pastebin.com/v1MqcLLc rcS-late |
| 01:16.51 | FIQ|n900 | was going to edit rcS-late and search for exec twice, and the thing segfaulted lol |
| 01:17.06 | FIQ|n900 | (nano) |
| 01:17.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | description "late rcS actions" |
| 01:17.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | start on started hal |
| 01:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | stop on stopping hal |
| 01:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | console none |
| 01:17.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | script |
| 01:17.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | thats upstart fuckup |
| 01:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | WOW I managed to post empty lines |
| 01:18.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't recall to have done this ever before |
| 01:18.52 | FIQ|n900 | there's 1 space in them |
| 01:18.57 | SAiF | Good morning I guess? :) |
| 01:19.10 | FIQ|n900 | irc doesn't allow empty lines to be posted |
| 01:19.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | goo (UGT) morning |
| 01:20.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | good* even |
| 01:20.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ugt |
| 01:20.18 | infobot | ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 01:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | FFS maemo will be my epithaph |
| 01:22.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe NCIS on TV |
| 01:22.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya |
| 01:25.17 | SAiF | okay,, Good (UGT) morning Doc...:) |
| 01:28.08 | FIQ|n900 | hm apt still have localization issues in newest cssu |
| 01:30.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | orly? |
| 01:30.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo and I18n/l10n seems to not to go together well |
| 01:32.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/842c222548 |
| 01:32.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | any questions, Watson? |
| 01:34.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | compared to that apt-get http://privatepaste.com/166b40b011 looks awesome |
| 01:36.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8291 |
| 01:36.04 | povbot_ | 04Bug 8291: Enable CONFIG_LOCALE_SUPPORT in busybox |
| 01:36.13 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: not as in a mess between swe/en |
| 01:36.21 | FIQ|n900 | but rather bogus confirmation requests |
| 01:36.31 | FIQ|n900 | asking Y/n but in fact only allows j/n |
| 01:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm searching for the $LANG where "y" means "no" |
| 01:36.59 | FIQ|n900 | mentioned this on several occasions in here and also ended up posting it in cssu with lack for better place |
| 01:37.09 | FIQ|n900 | y as in yes |
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| 01:37.43 | FIQ|n900 | but anything else than yes (i.e. anything else than j in swedish locale) aborts |
| 01:37.52 | FIQ|n900 | so y aborts |
| 01:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm a fan of hardcore: either use LANG=C, or for maemo use LANG=en_EN |
| 01:38.09 | FIQ|n900 | even though it asks specifically for y/n |
| 01:38.19 | FIQ|n900 | *this* is the issue |
| 01:38.39 | FIQ|n900 | asking for j/n and answering y would abort, is something I would be ok with (annoying but acceptable) |
| 01:38.52 | FIQ|n900 | asking for y/n and answering y doing an abort is not |
| 01:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | who's not capable to read english manpages is doomed anyway in IT |
| 01:39.17 | FIQ|n900 | also just ran into this lovely bug in nano https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8285 |
| 01:39.18 | povbot_ | 04Bug 8285: Always crashes when using search in "nano" (ctrl+w) on device |
| 01:39.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | nano wtf |
| 01:39.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | nano is for sissies |
| 01:39.43 | bef0rd | nano ftw |
| 01:39.51 | FIQ|n900 | kinda annoying but at least there's a straight-forward solution |
| 01:40.25 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: full emacs isn't available on phone |
| 01:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | either you use vi or emacs, or you're a quicje-eater like me and use mcedit |
| 01:40.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | quiche |
| 01:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~real-programmer |
| 01:41.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~useless |
| 01:41.17 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 01:41.18 | FIQ|n900 | there's qemacs but didn't really like that clone |
| 01:41.32 | FIQ|n900 | real programmers use butterflies, np |
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| 01:42.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~real-programmer is http://www-personal.edfac.usyd.edu.au/staff/souters/Humour/Real.Programmer.Stories.html |
| 01:42.26 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 01:43.32 | FIQ|n900 | uhhhhhhh |
| 01:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~real programmer is <reply>see real-programmer |
| 01:43.37 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 01:43.49 | FIQ|n900 | whoever made nano-2.0.7 as a solution didn't make the package conflict with nano ... |
| 01:44.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 01:44.05 | FIQ|n900 | w/e |
| 01:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine, since nano prolly is messybox |
| 01:44.30 | ecc3g | which is worse, nano or messybox-vi :D |
| 01:44.38 | FIQ|n900 | it's not |
| 01:44.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's the same binary anyway |
| 01:45.44 | FIQ|n900 | btw how come some packages' install say that they can't be certified? |
| 01:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | cosidering there's nano and even pico, I ponder coding an editor called peta |
| 01:46.19 | FIQ|n900 | lol |
| 01:46.33 | FIQ|n900 | or micro |
| 01:46.41 | FIQ|n900 | as a nano successor |
| 01:46.45 | ecc3g | femto? |
| 01:46.46 | psycho_oreos | pico was the propriatory version that came with pine package. nano was just a free clone based off pico. |
| 01:46.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | atto |
| 01:47.00 | FIQ|n900 | zepto |
| 01:47.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Planck-quantum |
| 01:47.31 | FIQ|n900 | hooray |
| 01:47.37 | FIQ|n900 | now I can actually search |
| 01:48.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll not use editors smaller than milli |
| 01:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | t-EXA |
| 01:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | awesome name |
| 01:49.52 | psycho_oreos | I started *ahem* BASH scripting with pico (there was no such thing known as nano back then). I saw another person using vi which had noticeably cooler UI including syntax highlighting. I'm certain nano still wouldn't even have syntax highlighting. |
| 01:49.55 | ecc3g | eight megs and constantly swaps. |
| 01:50.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | nano is a hoax |
| 01:50.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | 80 |
| 01:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | 800 |
| 01:51.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I rather use sed than nano |
| 01:51.27 | psycho_oreos | vi/m would easily point out if there was a syntax error (if it knows the language you are {typ,writ,edit}ing in), nano wouldn't even do things like that. |
| 01:51.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | HELL, even ed |
| 01:51.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if messybox has a ed plugin |
| 01:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ed: applet not found |
| 01:52.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 01:52.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
| 01:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi is the only editor I know of that's *certified* to work on lines of mega-chars length without a single CR |
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| 01:55.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | everybody else took the cheating easy shortcut to define a max-line-length |
| 01:55.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | often 1024 chars |
| 01:56.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you exceed that, $editor will either segfault, blow chunks, or insert linebreaks on its own |
| 01:56.50 | FredrIQ|n900 | ok, accidentally got a loose battery and device did a hard shutdown |
| 01:57.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | looked like that ;-P |
| 01:57.18 | FredrIQ|n900 | and ext3 partition went corrupt... gg |
| 01:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | FFS |
| 01:58.08 | psycho_oreos | Why isn't the battery cover even installed? |
| 01:58.15 | FredrIQ|n900 | http://pastebin.com/q2Tb44RZ seems kind of minor, but still |
| 01:58.25 | FredrIQ|n900 | psycho_oreos: of course it is |
| 01:59.02 | FredrIQ|n900 | but my battery set isn't exactly stable - merely opening the cover and holding n900 upside down will make it fall out instantly |
| 01:59.21 | psycho_oreos | FredrIQ|n900, >_> and the battery managed to slip out of its contacts and somehow landed in the battery case? |
| 01:59.54 | FredrIQ|n900 | so occasionally (rarely) if exposed to sudden moves, battery shorts temporary |
| 02:00.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF are "fast symbolic links"? |
| 02:00.03 | psycho_oreos | Ideally you should have tightened those battery "prongs". |
| 02:00.20 | FredrIQ|n900 | psycho_oreos: no idea how to do this |
| 02:00.41 | FredrIQ|n900 | it has been like this for a while now, wasn't even aware it was easily fixable |
| 02:00.46 | FredrIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: no idea |
| 02:00.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | FredrIQ|n900: bend out ypur spring levers! |
| 02:01.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | NAO! |
| 02:01.31 | psycho_oreos | FredrIQ|n900, you basically need something like a needle and you push towards in each other for each part. |
| 02:01.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | bend them out so far yu hardly can insert battery |
| 02:02.22 | FredrIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: ok will look into this a more proper time (4am atm) |
| 02:02.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | same TZ |
| 02:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | except I got my private TZ |
| 02:02.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is fuzzy |
| 02:03.02 | FredrIQ|n900 | hmm |
| 02:03.12 | FredrIQ|n900 | will try to fsck via BM |
| 02:03.26 | FredrIQ|n900 | this seems as a very minor issue so it should be done w/o issues |
| 02:03.32 | FredrIQ|n900 | ...hopefully |
| 02:03.34 | FredrIQ|n900 | brb |
| 02:03.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah. one block (un)claimed seems fixable |
| 02:04.25 | psycho_oreos | Should be thankful that its a journaled FS, if it wasn't.. lol. |
| 02:04.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's NOT |
| 02:05.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | journaling on a storage that writes 4MB pages is... brainfuck |
| 02:05.38 | psycho_oreos | o.O by default (according to wikipedia that is) its noted as a journal fs. |
| 02:06.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | JFFS is not journaling, ext3 is and better be not |
| 02:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what fs had that missing block for FredrIQ|n900 |
| 02:07.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck on NAND is brainfuck either |
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| 02:08.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/nand/jffs/ |
| 02:08.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 02:08.35 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: :) |
| 02:08.40 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
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| 02:09.01 | FIQ|n900 | it says within BM's root console that the fs is clean |
| 02:09.16 | FIQ|n900 | perhaps those errors show up due to the fact that the fs is mounted? |
| 02:09.24 | FIQ|n900 | (fsck was done with -nv) |
| 02:09.31 | psycho_oreos | Ahh yes my bad, the rootfs is ubifs. I was thinking of /home which is ext3. |
| 02:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ubi or jffs, no diff |
| 02:10.17 | psycho_oreos | Yup. |
| 02:10.22 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: should I ignore the issue it shows given that BM fsck show no issues? |
| 02:10.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | except friggin ubi can NOT handle "small" volumes like "initrd" mtd |
| 02:11.28 | FIQ|n900 | ran it several times though, always same output (allthough once it displayed more issues, probably due to some temporary hiccup due to mounted fs) |
| 02:11.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: I'd assume when it doesn't show it got fixed |
| 02:12.21 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, though it still show up within maemo with that command :p |
| 02:12.31 | FIQ|n900 | and fsck never did anything within BM in first place |
| 02:12.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a bug then |
| 02:12.36 | FIQ|n900 | it just said it was clean |
| 02:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck has a plethora of cmdline options |
| 02:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | try verbose+++ |
| 02:14.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's the suspect volume? |
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| 02:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.20 | FIQ|n900 | /home |
| 02:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 02:14.53 | FIQ|n900 | speaking of / |
| 02:14.59 | FIQ|n900 | can you even fsck that? |
| 02:15.12 | FIQ|n900 | ubifs |
| 02:15.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, run a fsck against that volume in BM, with all the firearms loaded, live and unlocked |
| 02:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 02:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck of ubi/jffs is a brainfart |
| 02:16.23 | FIQ|n900 | what if it gets corrupt? |
| 02:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | it either auto-recovers or you're fux0red |
| 02:16.57 | FIQ|n900 | mkay |
| 02:17.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | see man ubifs |
| 02:17.21 | FIQ|n900 | no manpage for it apparently lol |
| 02:17.38 | FIQ|n900 | or jffs for that matter |
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| 02:18.42 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: btw |
| 02:18.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBIFS |
| 02:18.48 | FIQ|n900 | if battery dies |
| 02:18.55 | FIQ|n900 | is that a clean shutdown? |
| 02:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | not a excellent starting point, but... |
| 02:19.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 02:19.38 | FIQ|n900 | forced by os yes, but still clean |
| 02:19.40 | FIQ|n900 | ok |
| 02:19.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | since battery can provide power down to 2.5V, but shutdown happens way earlier (if bme is running) |
| 02:20.20 | FIQ|n900 | noes, no possibility of using all capacity! |
| 02:21.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | an unclean/hard shutdown would be one that's triggered by hw/pmu for low voltage, without even kernel taking care of the signals bouncing off every wall |
| 02:22.00 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: just for curiousity, do "system upgrades" override this decision? given the potential damage if it shuts down I mean |
| 02:22.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 02:22.33 | FIQ|n900 | well |
| 02:22.37 | FIQ|n900 | OTA updates |
| 02:22.43 | FIQ|n900 | cssu and such |
| 02:22.48 | FIQ|n900 | pr1.x |
| 02:23.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you mean if system acts different regarding shutdown on ow batvolt while upgrading/flashing? |
| 02:23.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | low* |
| 02:23.26 | FIQ|n900 | yeah |
| 02:23.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure, but probably yes |
| 02:24.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dont think a running flashing process gets aborted on lowbat |
| 02:24.36 | FIQ|n900 | perhaps it puts it in a state that makes resuming the update possible once booted again (allthough this is possibly done automatically) |
| 02:24.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | once it started, system should try to finish it by all means |
| 02:25.02 | FIQ|n900 | yeah |
| 02:25.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | like 911 calls |
| 02:25.26 | FIQ|n900 | shouldn't the system try to put failsafes in place anyway though? |
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| 02:25.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only calls allowed on overtemperature and low battery or too cold battery |
| 02:25.53 | FIQ|n900 | like a backup binary/script running on boot resuming it immediately on power fail |
| 02:25.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it does |
| 02:26.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't resume |
| 02:26.23 | shawnjefferson | Anyone familiar with compiling for thumb? |
| 02:26.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you just can refuse to even start flashing when there's no safety headroom |
| 02:27.06 | FIQ|n900 | that's of course true :p |
| 02:27.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon is familar with thumb stuff |
| 02:27.38 | shawnjefferson | he's not in the channel at the moment I don't think |
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| 02:28.21 | shawnjefferson | I'm wondering how you can tell if an executable is compiled for thumb or not. the file command gives the same output generally |
| 02:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | OK, my "nanny" ordered I shall ask for a job. So: does any of you have a job for me? preferably related to maemo maintenance, community moderation, hw-review&QA? |
| 02:30.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | shawnjefferson: you can't simply tell for sure, the only way to tell apart thiumb binaries from ARM binaries is by looking at impair jump addr |
| 02:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so teh cmdline I came up with had sth like "grep [o-9abcdef]*[13579bdf]" |
| 02:31.43 | FIQ|n900 | you can mow my lawn for $1/h if you like |
| 02:32.13 | FIQ|n900 | (jk) |
| 02:32.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | tell me your garage account so I can find the lawn |
| 02:32.34 | FIQ|n900 | lol |
| 02:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll eventually stop managing/maintainig maemo.org infra when I don't have any source of income that allows me to do that, either by no income at all or by no time at all |
| 02:35.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | otoh when sufficient donations or a contract with salary gives me opportunity to continue to dedicate 24/7 of my time to maemo, I for sure will prefer that option |
| 02:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3 weeks ago I though what an easy life that would be when every maemo.org user would pay 5ct / month for me to make a living |
| 02:37.01 | FIQ|n900 | :P |
| 02:37.45 | FIQ|n900 | make a f2p game, instant rich allthough people will hate you |
| 02:39.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | people will hate me when I stop keeping maemo.org et al alive, though only for 12h until they forget about me |
| 02:39.24 | FIQ|n900 | hahah :P |
| 02:39.30 | FIQ|n900 | @ the latter |
| 02:41.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, you say "why don't you work in a job at McDonalds for 10h, and dedicate the rest of your time to maemo.org, like everybody else?" - simple answer: I can't |
| 02:42.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | McD doesn't like me being late due to fixing some urgent stuff in maemo |
| 02:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, as hard as it may sound, this is becoming a "all or nothing" question for me |
| 02:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as I can afford maemo.org by any means, I'm 100% dedicated to it. But that will have to stop pretty soon |
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| 02:48.16 | psycho_oreos | Current economy is tough, the only way is to look at alternatives, like spreading the workload out and/or use advertising services. I know there will be lots of anger and hatred but it may keep the service alive. |
| 02:49.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already pondered a "premium service" where everybody has to register and pay a 8$/year to access *.m.o on a high-availability level |
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| 02:51.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you don't, you have to face no support, no high nadwidth acces, and a number of other convenience options missing |
| 02:52.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | bandwidth* |
| 02:52.46 | FIQ|n900 | as long as you don't make using the repositories harder, do whatever you want |
| 02:52.57 | FIQ|n900 | @ premium utilities |
| 02:53.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you volunteer to contribute to maintenance |
| 02:53.33 | shawnjefferson | sharing the load is probably the best option... although it's tough to get people involved I suppose (and those with some tech skills too) |
| 02:54.05 | FIQ|n900 | could definitely see himself donating to keep maemo.org alive |
| 02:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it is a game with negative balance for the first few weeks or months |
| 02:54.20 | FIQ|n900 | not sure if I could help in other ways though |
| 02:54.22 | psycho_oreos | thinks as soon as there's premium services becomes an option, there would be people willing to try and make a mirror out of *.m.o beforehand. |
| 02:55.09 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: regarding donations, wouldn't you be able to request donations from fsf? |
| 02:55.20 | FIQ|n900 | dunno how that works though |
| 02:55.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno |
| 02:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | for now I manage donations that for 49/50 I may not touch to buy me a pizza |
| 02:56.47 | FIQ|n900 | but given that you're a not-for-profit organization towards something they support at a reasonable size, they could probably help |
| 02:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'd prefer to not manage them at all - hope I get rid of this task as soon as new HiFo BoD sorts issues with official paypal account |
| 02:58.24 | psycho_oreos | They're still waiting from that one person to sort things out? |
| 02:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, basically |
| 02:59.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~xyawn |
| 02:59.48 | infobot | good coffee |
| 02:59.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
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| 03:01.18 | psycho_oreos | shakes head and wonders how active is that one person. Maybe if that one person didn't give that much personal contact info, then it might be safer to somehow use an alternative way (i.e. assign a new person, notify the old person that they were not able to contact with him/her. Then the new person quickly takes on the role of getting it sorted). |
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| 03:03.12 | psycho_oreos | If they were to leave you hanging by a thread when you're struggling already then I guess in some ways it can be an open invitation to try and look at alternatives until they manage to get themselves sorted. |
| 03:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's already established |
| 03:03.17 | FIQ|n900 | or simply ask this person stalling everything to actually do something? |
| 03:05.33 | psycho_oreos | I don't know, if they were notified of new changes but they seem to have lost interest in it. Then its time to seek alternate solutions rather than still hoping for that one person to come back. |
| 03:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I simply stopped taking care about a lot of all that |
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| 03:09.03 | psycho_oreos | I'd also notify members of HiFo BoD that you're facing a difficult situation and that you can no longer keep maintaining. If they can't sort this out within time you need to try and make amends on somehow making the service alive whilst being funded from some other source. |
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| 03:12.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I simply wonder if that's a sustainable situation when 1 of 1000 bothers to help in whatever way, while 999/1000 have an approach of "it stll works. if it stops working, I'll have to think about alternatives" |
| 03:14.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly I wonder how much of a fool I am to waste my life on that 1/1000 |
| 03:14.18 | psycho_oreos | Probably not, but that's pretty much how projects die when the rest doesn't really care. To make matters worse is really the economy, I'd help out if I could but I've got personal issues on my own. |
| 03:15.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: not asking you to help out |
| 03:15.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | this wouldn't help in the end |
| 03:15.33 | SAiF | I wish I could do something, I am not technically skilled, and I am a student with part time job, Tell me if there is something I can do.. |
| 03:15.35 | psycho_oreos | I know, just inputting on where I stand as well. |
| 03:16.06 | FIQ|n900 | how much is needed economically for maemo.org to still work |
| 03:16.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need more manpower, and I need a job, either crwdfunded or sponsored by a company interested in maemo, or I vanish here and do sth else |
| 03:19.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually council could do >>Hiring of maemo.org staff<< |
| 03:19.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Council_work |
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| 03:22.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | this was a normal thing when Nokia paid for it. Maybe community could think about allowing same for council to do from funds that council/HiFo collects |
| 03:23.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | shawnjefferson: you were interested in...? |
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| 03:24.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW what VMs you need an account? |
| 03:27.02 | shawnjefferson22 | It was mainly autobuilder i guess, mainly because it seemed the system having the most issues that needed some help |
| 03:29.25 | psycho_oreos | wonders if that council work page is still relevant, last modification was not long ago yet there were still topics like N900 DDP and that they cannot change nokia's commercial decision on commercial support for meego on N900. |
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| 03:31.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | shawnjefferson: please try ssh sjeffers@www.maemo.org |
| 03:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: I dunno if it's still relevant. Heck, I dunno if maemo at large is any more relevant |
| 03:37.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: we could do a little experiment: I shut down repo.m.o and www.m.o and wiki.m.o, then let's see how long it takes till *anybody* complains |
| 03:37.22 | shawnjefferson22 | DocScrutinzer05: did you use the ssh key I sent to techstaff email? if so i need to get on my other computer to test |
| 03:37.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 03:37.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | or do you want me to use a different key? |
| 03:39.09 | shawnjefferson22 | no, that's good, it's just my daughter is watching a movie on that computer at the moment. I'll try a bit later and let you know. Thanks! |
| 03:39.15 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, LOL @ the latter comment. I was thinking along the same lines as well, just show the page 503 Service Unavailable. That would really put a fire on some people's back :D. I found an interesting page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Community_fund |
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| 03:41.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that is the ancient page where some council member first considered what today became HiFo? |
| 03:41.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it is |
| 03:41.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Community_Council/Community_fund&action=history ;-P |
| 03:42.58 | psycho_oreos | Notable stuff mentioned there but took them awhile to get new BoD sorted, it states that "Upon being elected, the Council would select a Treasurer for their term. This must be completed within four weeks of the election." So by the fourth week, the current (which would be now known as the outgoing) treasurer would be considered no longer active. |
| 03:44.15 | psycho_oreos | just looks at the footer information instead. "This page was last modified on 26 March 2011, at 13:40" |
| 03:44.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but it also needs current treasurer (who actually is never been appointed as treasurer) to hand over access to the assets |
| 03:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | all hail to jaffa for setting up that page and the whole idea, first instance |
| 03:46.18 | psycho_oreos | Ultimately the person who was never been appointed as the treasurer sort of now "ran away" with those assets. |
| 03:46.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure about that |
| 03:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask BoD |
| 03:47.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly feel a severe burnout syndrome whenever thinking about any of that stuff |
| 03:49.24 | psycho_oreos | I was reading one of their minute sessions and it was supposedly one person that was not there at the time of meeting which ironically was controlling the finances. |
| 03:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 03:50.05 | psycho_oreos | Besides its been weeks since that meeting was there. |
| 03:50.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 03:51.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | while stuff like new marble version upload to repo block on infra not working and nobody taking care |
| 03:53.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and all other stuff bitrots as well |
| 03:54.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | repo schizoid fremantle-1.3 vs fremantle pending since start of January |
| 03:54.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | repo also has checksum errors again |
| 03:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | user account data not propagating from garage to the other VM |
| 03:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | repo management spammed database with bogus recuring "remiving old package version", but doesn't handle promote (even from autobulder to extras-devel), delete, or proper signing new repo packages.gz |
| 03:57.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | until we recently disabled it to stop the spamming |
| 03:58.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | apache blows chunks on any "unusual" load, e.g from web spiders |
| 03:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and midgard... don't ask |
| 03:58.57 | psycho_oreos | I've heard from time to time midgard issues were appearing. |
| 03:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | all of this been heritage either from not doing any service during summer til newyear 2012, or (most of it) even got introduced during migration#1 |
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| 04:21.12 | psycho_oreos | I guess inevitably due to dying interests, even at this point in time there's only very few chatting activities going on compared to what was then more active. |
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| 05:29.08 | DrCode | hi all |
| 05:29.23 | DrCode | when using maemo format on microsd, what filetype it make? |
| 05:29.24 | DrCode | fat or ext2? |
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| 06:00.36 | SAiF | most fones do Fat, i guess. I dont know maemo though |
| 06:04.51 | brolin_empey | Pali: Can you please add some new products (USB Vendor ID + Product ID) to asix.c and dm9601.c in the Maemo 5 power kernel? |
| 06:05.17 | Pali | brolin_empey: yes, please send me patch |
| 06:06.55 | brolin_empey | Pali: My patches have been to asix.ko and dm9601.ko instead of asix.c and dm9601.c . |
| 06:07.44 | Pali | what? patching binary files?? |
| 06:08.34 | brolin_empey | Pali: However, only my patch to asix.ko seems to have succeeded. |
| 06:09.57 | brolin_empey | Pali: Yes, I patched the .ko binary files because I did not want to sidetrack myself with the project of trying to rebuild the power kernel from source. |
| 06:10.26 | Pali | ah... |
| 06:12.09 | brolin_empey | Pali: Can I provide just the new USB Vendor ID + Product ID combinations to add? I need only 2 additions to dm9601.c and 1 addition to asix.c . |
| 06:12.54 | Pali | if you can create patch file |
| 06:13.31 | Pali | $ diff -Naurp file.org file.new > patch |
| 06:14.52 | brolin_empey | Pali: You can just copy and paste an existing product entry and change the IDs. |
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| 06:15.24 | Pali | or send me new edited files |
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| 06:26.45 | brolin_empey | Pali: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tree/drivers/net/usb/asix_devices.c?id=refs/tags/v3.10.2#n1046 |
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| 06:27.25 | brolin_empey | Pali: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tree/drivers/net/usb/asix_devices.c?id=refs/tags/v3.10.2#n1046 |
| 06:28.46 | Pali | please can you send me at least changed file(s)? Do not want to guess which other structures need to be added... |
| 06:32.01 | brolin_empey | Pali: Yes, I can try. Is there any chance of using a newer Linux kernel than version 2.6.28 on Maemo 5? |
| 06:32.43 | Pali | brolin_empey: I'm already trying it... but GSM/3G not working |
| 06:33.04 | Pali | and lot of other closed source nokia apps not working too... |
| 06:35.09 | brolin_empey | Pali: Using a newer kernel on Maemo 5 seems better than trying to backport changes from kernel version 3.x to the antiquated kernel version 2.6.28 . |
| 06:35.23 | Pali | no, no |
| 06:35.32 | Pali | upstream kernel on maemo5 is unusable |
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| 06:36.04 | Pali | and never be, because of nokia closed source apps which cannot be diagnoticated & fixed |
| 06:37.07 | brolin_empey | Pali: Specifically which applications are unusable with a newer kernel version? |
| 06:37.26 | Pali | Phone application |
| 06:37.29 | Pali | MCE daemon |
| 06:37.45 | Pali | everything with GSM/3G stack |
| 06:38.04 | Pali | accelerometer applications |
| 06:38.26 | Pali | and upstream kernel has very bad power saving |
| 06:39.55 | brolin_empey | Pali: OK, then can we just backport the products added to both asix.c and dm9601.c since kernel version 2.6.28 ? |
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| 08:54.05 | Sicelo | btw, which is 'power-saving' state of cpu.. C0 or C4? |
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| 09:08.23 | FIQ|n900 | hi |
| 09:08.29 | FIQ|n900 | so the stalling happened again |
| 09:08.40 | FIQ|n900 | this time I was able to follow the progress exactly |
| 09:08.54 | FIQ|n900 | and the issue seems to be on this command: |
| 09:08.57 | FIQ|n900 | initctl emit MOUNTS_OK |
| 09:09.04 | FIQ|n900 | in rcS-late |
| 09:09.22 | FIQ|n900 | This command was running for 7 minutes straight without anything else happening |
| 09:12.06 | FIQ|n900 | this is provided by upstart, and I don't know how initctl works internally or why it might stall for several minutes |
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| 09:23.09 | FIQ|n900 | heh... googling "initctl stalling" brought up an ubuntu forum post, and http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html ouch! |
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| 10:46.47 | DrCode | hi al |
| 10:46.49 | DrCode | all |
| 10:47.05 | DrCode | if I use maemo format for microsf , what filetype it uses? |
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| 11:03.25 | Sicelo | DrCode: FAT |
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| 11:34.24 | DrCode | wow, I see |
| 11:34.50 | DrCode | thank you |
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| 12:02.59 | brolin_empey | Wow, I suck at (digital still) photography: out of 24 shots, only 1 is actually worth publishing. :/ |
| 12:06.26 | brolin_empey | 24 shots of the same subject in the same place. :/ |
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| 12:07.24 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: psycho_oreos: thanks for the tip regarding loose battery |
| 12:07.50 | FIQ|n900 | I solved it partially - can't solve it fully as I noticed something annoying |
| 12:08.20 | FIQ|n900 | one of my batteries has had its' topmost (opposite side of connector) piece of plastic gone |
| 12:08.46 | FIQ|n900 | asked about this in here before, this is no issue with its' usage, no increased risks etc |
| 12:09.12 | FIQ|n900 | however, it apparently has a *significant* effect on how the springs/whatever hold it in place |
| 12:09.47 | FIQ|n900 | I used my stylus (which I don't use otherwise - wouldn't have cared if it broke, which it didn't) to bend up these |
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| 12:10.15 | FIQ|n900 | It made the "complete" battery sit in place again, and even to the point it was becoming hard to put in |
| 12:10.38 | FIQ|n900 | The other, on the other hand, while not falling if device is held upside down anymore, is still loose |
| 12:11.24 | FIQ|n900 | And as I want to be able to use both of my batteries, I can't bend it further as that would make the complete one a pain or even impossible to insert |
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| 12:12.01 | FIQ|n900 | Better than how it was before, but not perfect |
| 12:12.19 | FIQ|n900 | I assume this solution will at least prevent random shutdowns if sudden moves happen |
| 12:18.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: how about fixing your broken battery? adding some arbitrary piece of plastic cut to shape shouldn't be too hard to do |
| 12:20.28 | FIQ|n900 | I guess that could work, dunno what would be optimal though |
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| 12:53.17 | brolin_empey | http://www.flickr.com/photos/brolin_empey/9358788130/ |
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| 13:27.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | BOOM |
| 13:27.51 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: prboom? ;-) |
| 13:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | now for my daily 15min frustrating experience: /join #kde, ask some obvious but probably annoying questions about kmail and GPG |
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| 16:29.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi Woody14619 |
| 16:31.26 | SAiF | Doc, you dont sleep? |
| 16:31.38 | Woody14619 | hi DocScrutinizer05. :) |
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| 16:38.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: why should I sleep? |
| 16:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: when you mean the C-states, I usually have at least 20% C4 and >75% lower than C1 |
| 16:43.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | C0 is needed only for seconds |
| 16:47.31 | SAiF | you are funny, idont understand most of what you are saying. |
| 16:47.52 | SAiF | neever mind :) |
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| 17:00.43 | ecc2g | I need time to be moved to S3 |
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| 17:35.08 | thedead1440 | SAiF: there is never a time for sleeping in JRTSV (doc |
| 17:35.21 | thedead1440 | s/(doc/(doc's own timezone)/ |
| 17:45.48 | SAiF | Any way I am gonna sleep. good night (UGT) .. :) |
| 17:45.54 | Apic | cu B-) |
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| 20:20.38 | Earthwings_ | hi DocScrutinizer05, long time no see :) |
| 20:22.12 | Earthwings_ | DocScrutinizer05: can you look into account/permission stuff? shentey asked for permission to upload packages to extras-devel some weeks ago, but nothing happened seemingly |
| 20:23.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I answered we proceeded the request but the borked infra might not work as supposed, and we need feedback what doesn't work and needs further hard kicks in the buttocks |
| 20:24.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I can look in some of the permission stuff, when I know what for to look exactly |
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| 20:38.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Earthwings_: shentey has extras-account status: accepted |
| 20:38.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a known problem that garage account status doesn't propagate to the other VMs |
| 20:42.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Earthwings_: sorry I can't check every single detail to make sure what's OK and what needs manual fixing. I need specific reports about stuff that doesn't work, and which account, URL, whatever I shall look at. |
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| 20:44.58 | df_newbie | is there a way to activate the cameras flash light (via console or something), while another app is using & blocking the camera, but does not support activating the flashlight? |
| 20:45.05 | df_newbie | on the n900~ |
| 20:45.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, hardly |
| 20:46.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno but i'd guess the v4l2 dev/video or whatever interface can't get opened by multiple processes concurrently |
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| 20:46.54 | df_newbie | yea, but the flashlight shouldnt be part of the v4l device context, should it? |
| 20:47.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | otoh, iirc the flashlight applet actually *needs* camera opened to show up in system menu |
| 20:47.18 | df_newbie | was just hoping there was some device node for the flashlight like there is for the keyboard leds |
| 20:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | the flashlight *is* part of the v4l2 interface afaik |
| 20:47.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas there isn't |
| 20:47.58 | df_newbie | ah.. damn |
| 20:48.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | (a device node for flash leds) |
| 20:48.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | look into flashlight applet, I think it's python |
| 20:48.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | which would mean you basically already got your cmdline way to activate it |
| 20:49.21 | df_newbie | well i was playing around with the phonestreamer thing (stream video over wlan to laptop), but its horrid under dark'ish light conditions. sadly, it doesnt know about the flashlight it seems |
| 20:50.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems flashlight is the app for you |
| 20:50.24 | Earthwings_ | DocScrutinizer05: ok, thanks for looking into that. I'll forward it to him and ask him to contact you with more details. |
| 20:50.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Earthwings_: thanks! |
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| 20:51.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-24 05:51:32] <DocScrutinizer05> while stuff like new marble version upload to repo block on infra not working and nobody taking care |
| 20:52.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-07-24.log.html#t2013-07-24T06:51:33 |
| 20:53.42 | df_newbie | DocScrutinizer05: no, because it too requires exclusive access to the camera it seems... but ill check the source and see how they do it; maybe its just a "weak" check or whatever |
| 20:54.17 | DrCode | hi all |
| 20:54.31 | DrCode | when I run easydebian , I run it has virtualbox or somthing? |
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| 20:56.10 | bef0rd | as a chroot DrCode |
| 20:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, flashlight also doesn't work with camera |
| 20:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | nicocam knows "t" key for toggling flashlight |
| 20:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | (the cssu-t camera app) |
| 20:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, I guess that's not a weak check, it's a system level file-lock that doesn't allow multiple handles to the video device |
| 20:59.04 | df_newbie | that app doesnt stream video though, does it? |
| 20:59.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | which app? |
| 20:59.30 | df_newbie | and yea, the flashlight app is written in c and retrieves the flashlight context from hal or something.. ah well |
| 20:59.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nicocam? |
| 20:59.40 | df_newbie | yea, nico |
| 20:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that I knew of |
| 21:00.02 | df_newbie | alright, thanks for the help |
| 21:00.08 | DrCode | bef0rd, what do U mean? |
| 21:00.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw for nuttin |
| 21:00.21 | DrCode | it run it like maemo? |
| 21:00.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, wait |
| 21:00.53 | bef0rd | DrCode: yes, like another app, no emulation, no "virtualbox", search for "chroot" on the internet |
| 21:00.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah nope, sorry |
| 21:01.05 | DrCode | ok |
| 21:01.17 | DrCode | it can't break maemo? |
| 21:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought about I2C direct access, but the chip addr gets blocked by the video kernel driver |
| 21:01.40 | bef0rd | DrCode: it shouldn't, thats what a chroot is for |
| 21:02.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you do a rm -rf on the chroot ;-P |
| 21:02.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | a very popular way to nuke your PC when "removing2 scratchbox |
| 21:03.06 | DrCode | ok |
| 21:03.13 | DrCode | thankyou |
| 21:03.26 | bef0rd | DocScrutinizer05: but that's because there are some mount binds, right? |
| 21:04.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you got bindmounts of real /dev/ and/or /proc/ etc to your chroot, then deleting the chroot dir is a s real for your host system as when you did a rm -rf /dev |
| 21:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | bef0rd: right |
| 21:05.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess easydeb as well has a number of bindmounts |
| 21:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all, you want to connect to the real X11 socket etc |
| 21:07.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | real audio device |
| 21:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatnot else |
| 21:08.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck, you probably even want the real sysfs and procfs |
| 21:09.01 | bef0rd | yea, it probably has those binds too, I've never used easydebian though |
| 21:09.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | so your ED chroot is as separated from maemo as a process with a chaged $LD_PATH |
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| 21:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | me neither |
| 21:11.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | in fact it *might* just bindmount the chroot on root, just overriding a few dirs like /etc /lib maybe /var |
| 21:11.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of the more arcane facilities of mount |
| 21:13.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | clearly listed in man 8 mount, but rarely anybody ever thougth about those options: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-mount-namespaces/index.html |
| 21:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Applying mount namespaces |
| 21:13.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Uncover practical applications for advanced Linux mounts features |
| 21:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | partially transparent per-process filesystem namespaces |
| 21:18.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | since my unix knowledge is largely from last millenium, I somewhat missed out on nice details of bindmounts, cgroups, and other "modern" stuff |
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| 21:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | but those IBM dudes have some pretty nice papers on stuff like this, see above link |
| 21:29.13 | Sicelo | yup. agreed :) |
| 21:32.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> using FUSE, a user can mount an sshfs (secure shell) filesystem or a loopback filesystem [...] it would be completely unintuitive for such mounts to appear in only one of the user's login terminals but not the others. But with the approach in the section on per-login namespaces, that is exactly what will happen. << |
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| 21:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Whereas pam_ns.so clones the mount namespace upon login, the pam_chroot.so module expects a per-user filesystem to be set up under /share/USER/root and simply uses chroot() to lock the user into his private filesystem.<< |
| 21:35.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | mkdir -p /share/USER/root |
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| 21:35.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount --make-rshared / |
| 21:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount --rbind / /share/USER/root |
| 21:35.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount --make-rslave /share/USER/root |
| 21:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount --bind /share/USER/root/tmp/priv/USER /share/USER/root/tmp |
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| 22:28.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAHAHA bottomline of http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-unix-difflinux.html >> All branches of UNIX and Linux have evolved and will be slightly different, but because of the maturity of the UNIX concept, the foundation doesn't change very much.<< And then came Lennart Poettering |
| 22:30.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | soon LINUX spells: Lennart Invents New Useless eXtensions |
| 22:34.15 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: Lennart is trying his best to be a hipster |
| 22:34.19 | jon_y | can |
| 22:34.24 | jon_y | *can't |
| 22:34.39 | jon_y | can't blame him if you saw his wikipedia image |
| 22:35.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | you think he urgently needs such ego boost? |
| 22:35.16 | jon_y | probably lugs a typewriter around and drinks only starbucks coffee |
| 22:36.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | much much worse |
| 22:36.24 | jon_y | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lennart_poettering.jpg |
| 22:36.29 | jon_y | just look at him |
| 22:36.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, already seen it |
| 22:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's what he likes to look like |
| 22:37.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | but watch his very special appearance on that 27C3 talk of another guy about pulsaudio, when Lennart hijacked the stage and made a fool of himself |
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| 22:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Poettering has advocated speeding up Linux development at the expense of breaking compatibility with BSD. "I don't think BSD is really too relevant anymore", he replied in an interview<< (from wikipedia) |
| 22:39.33 | jon_y | ouch |
| 22:39.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | this XXXXX doesn't grok that what linux needs is stabilization, not development speedup |
| 22:41.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and he deliberately distinguishes between linux and all other unix flavors, pushing actively towards not only ditching compatibility or convergence with BSD but also with every other mature UNIX heriatge |
| 22:41.47 | jon_y | hipster alright |
| 22:42.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | and as well driving linux away from "works on microwave and fridge as well as on cray" |
| 22:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | towards a OS for ISA PCs only |
| 22:42.27 | jon_y | new for the sake of new, dropping anything that is considered "old" |
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| 23:00.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0 |
| 23:00.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | (Poettering) |
| 23:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: NAH, e.g PA needs to exist pre-boot to allow BIOS adjustment for the blind |
| 23:02.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's NOT for sake of "new", that's a MUST, or do you hate blind persons? |
| 23:02.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | now you're briefed for discussions with Poettering ;-P |
| 23:04.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | also localization needs to be pre-boot, or otherwise the blind can't select their native language in BIOS menus |
| 23:05.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course all this needs to be network-enabled so the blind can ajust their BIOS settings of their PC from a remote machine |
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| 23:37.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZTdUmlGxVo0&t=3284 |
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