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01:21.04SAiFGood morning to all (I guess..?) ;)
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03:46.23Guest69239I have a basic question relating to the Nokia N810 if anyone is willing to help me out
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04:02.50Guest69239well it looks like no one is actually here.
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06:31.32amin007110Lava_Croft, ping!
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08:07.06zammyhey there is someone there?
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09:51.58LauRomani stupidly tried to run filebox as root from xterm instead of using hamster filer and now when i start it in normal mode i can't see any icons for buttons or lists inside the app
09:53.58DocScrutinizer05that's for sure not a correct cause-result chain
09:56.55LauRomaninbetween me running it as root and it not showing icons, it was lended to afriend and he formatted /MyDocs using his desktop, but that shouldn't affect filbox at all
10:01.51Marshall_BananaLauRoman: did you solve your problem with dropn900?
10:02.04LauRomannope
10:02.23Marshall_Bananawhat does the log window show?
10:05.34LauRomanDropn900
10:05.35LauRoman13:02:55 [NETWORK]: Starting network connection monitoring...
10:05.35LauRoman13:02:55 -[CONFIG]: Found existing access token
10:05.35LauRoman13:02:55 [NETWORK]: Requesting for a network connection...
10:05.35LauRoman13:03:30 [NETWORK]: Device online: connected with WLAN_INFRA
10:05.35LauRoman13:03:30 [NETWORK]: Network connection established, fetching root metadata
10:05.37LauRoman13:03:32 ---[AUTH]: Account data received for (censored username:P)
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10:08.24Marshall_BananaLauRoman: Please start xterm and launch dropn900 by run-standalone.sh /opt/dropn900/dropn900.py and check what the output is
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10:10.49DocScrutinizer05LauRoman: aiui you restored parts of device to recover from MyDocs formatting. I guess you deleted or not restored parts of /opt during that process
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10:12.31DocScrutinizer05...or even some hidden dirs or files on MyDocs, that may legitimately have been installed there by e.g. filebox. See the "see:" in
10:12.37DocScrutinizer05~optification
10:12.37infobotoptification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,  http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"
10:13.34DocScrutinizer05>>... User might see your files, can get confused and try to delete or rename them. <<
10:13.57Marshall_Bananabtw. what is run-standalone.sh good for?
10:14.07LauRomanMarshall_Banana, that looks fine now with standalone-sh, does that mean the .desktop file is screwed or somehow
10:14.14LauRomanright?
10:15.09LauRomanMarshall_Banana, it shows the same log entries but the filepane is visible now
10:15.27Marshall_BananaSo it works now?
10:15.42LauRomanonly while using stanalone-sh
10:16.24LauRomanDocScrutinizer05, is optification part of community ssu? because if it is than that could be causing it
10:17.43DocScrutinizer05no, optification is a standard procedure mandatory for basically every package/app in maemo fremantle
10:18.45DocScrutinizer05Marshall_Banana: run-standalone.sh creates the necessary user env for processes not started under normal user account
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10:21.30DocScrutinizer05LauRoman: when something is running under run-standalone.sh but not under normal xterm user session, and also not from .desktop icon, then that most likely means sth is terribly broken with your standard user "user" startup env setup
10:23.20DocScrutinizer05it might e.g. mean you tweaked mount options and point in time of /opt, so hildon desktop is starting without proper link to /opt, or sth
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10:28.01DocScrutinizer05Marshall_Banana: very simple and obvious examples: $DISPLAY and the dbus session bus which should be user's session, not root's session
10:28.29DocScrutinizer05less $(which run-standalone.sh)
10:29.24DocScrutinizer05less /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh
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10:31.54DocScrutinizer05SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS_FILE=/tmp/session_bus_address.user etc
10:34.09DocScrutinizer05of course a filled up / may cause all sorts of nasty behaviour too
10:34.44DocScrutinizer05as well as a rootfs / not mounted rw
10:38.51LauRomani know i definitely  did not intentionally screw up with any mounting options
10:47.01DocScrutinizer05then check >> mount; df -h  <<
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10:49.58DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/5ad01a08bb for your reference
10:50.04DocScrutinizer05bbl
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10:54.20tadzikhello
10:54.32tadzikis modrana Search feature broken for everyone or just for me?
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11:07.24DocScrutinizer05LauRoman: exactly what I suspected
11:07.53DocScrutinizer05without /home, no 7opt. without /opt, a LOT of very unpleasant effects
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11:08.18DocScrutinizer05s/7//
11:08.53DocScrutinizer05make sure why your /home doesn't get mounted
11:08.54LauRomanso i just need to ad a rw option in fstab?
11:09.04LauRomanok
11:09.11LauRomani'll try and find out
11:09.17DocScrutinizer05make sure you have a CSSU-T release >=8.2
11:09.41DocScrutinizer05CSSU-T8.0 is known to mess up fstab
11:09.49DocScrutinizer05or stuff around fstab
11:10.09LauRomancssu-t is cssu tuner?
11:10.19DocScrutinizer05cssu-testing
11:10.23LauRomanoh
11:10.52LauRomanyet it is 8.2
11:11.09DocScrutinizer05still might have messed up your fstab
11:11.41LauRomanshould have i stayed on stable rather than testing?
11:11.44DocScrutinizer05ask pali where's the friggin HowTo-fix-CSSU-T8.0-fstab-fuckup
11:12.00LauRoman:)
11:12.10DocScrutinizer05LauRoman: that's a good question
11:13.11DocScrutinizer05I don't feel tempted to continue updating cssu-t, I'l stay with cssu-t7, and I several times regretted that I haven't switched to cssu-stable when it came out
11:13.21DocScrutinizer05YMMV
11:16.36DocScrutinizer05LauRoman: anyway aiui cssu-t8.2 doesn't usually touch fstab anymore, so youu're free to edit it to a sane and working state
11:16.47DocScrutinizer05*I guess*
11:17.35DocScrutinizer05LauRoman: make sure you have no cruft in your /home/* mountpoint dir!!
11:18.41LauRomani was going to do that but then i read it is created on the fly, but if you say it isn't affected anymore i'll give it a try
11:19.10DocScrutinizer05you probably want to do ln /home-cruft /home before mounting /home fs
11:19.49DocScrutinizer05so after mounting eMMC to /home you can copy /home-cruft/* to /home
11:20.03DocScrutinizer05the rm /home-cruft
11:20.06DocScrutinizer05then
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11:21.45DocScrutinizer05do a proper backup  of /home/user before you copy any bogus files from /home-cruft/user/* to /home/user/*
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11:30.30DocScrutinizer05LauRoman: try to find the changelog or README for the fstab / preinit patches done to CSSU-T8. It should have explanation on how to guarantee that fstab isn't touched anymore. Since that's been the SOLE PURPOSE of that whole patch ;-P
11:31.12DocScrutinizer05I think it checks for existence of a /.fstab-dont-touch-me file (name a makeup of me)
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11:32.02DocScrutinizer05ask pali, he's author of that whole patch, and I think he should've provided proper HowTo with it
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11:35.04DocScrutinizer05(tbh I feel a tiny bit pissed to do the user-helpdesk to catch up the mess this patch caused. Zhis shouldn't be my task, there oughta be a proper comprehensive HowTo elaborating on the cause, the mechanisms that acted, and the suggested solution to fix and recover, as well as a manpage how to use that stuff once it got fixed)
11:35.46DocScrutinizer05if there already IS such a HowTo then nobody informed me about it
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11:47.18LauRomanthanks for the great insight DocScrutinizer05 this is the second time you have helped me a lot
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11:48.28LauRomani went and asked him about the patch and i hope for a response
11:56.44LauRomanit appears im haunted by (un)mounted partitions, because just last week i flashed an old android phone for a friend, and i had errors for almost two hours until i found out that on partition was not mounting automatically in clockwork mod
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12:29.34ShadowJKfinds a nokia box
12:30.15ShadowJKfor some reason I find it amusing that the logo on the rubber boots box is basically identical to current nokia logo :)
12:30.22Lava_Croftamin007110: pong?
12:31.16amin007110Lava_Croft, I did successfully update nokia maps using nokia suite new version some hours ago :)
12:32.37amin007110A total of 7.81GB world map is available. I download 2 random maps. Toronto, On and another one in asia.
12:32.39Lava_Crofthm, that hung here on getting eu base map
12:33.06Lava_Croftill check later, thanks!
12:33.23amin007110:)
12:35.05amin007110well, next time i will check eu. asia base map and north america one downloaded successfully.
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12:48.22qwazixare there any clean Pr1.3 backupmenu images around?
12:48.37qwazixgoogle doesn't produce something that looks legitimate
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13:06.19zammyhey there?
13:06.54zammyI  have problems with gmail on n900
13:08.49ecc2gmessage not found error?
13:08.58zammyevery time it says server not found
13:09.10zammybut I delete the account and I restore it
13:10.14zammyagain server not found
13:10.51zammyI mean I receive the message but as I tip on it to open the message and read it... the message popups
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13:12.00DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: rubber boots nokia box?
13:12.05DocScrutinizer05o.O
13:12.06DocScrutinizer05wow
13:12.23Lava_Croftrather common, those boxes
13:13.21DocScrutinizer05keep it, it may be worth a lot once Nokia returns to making rubber boots only, in ~6 months I'd guess. They might want to buy back those old boxes to expose them in their museum
13:13.28qwazixzammy, install latest CSSU or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90399
13:13.51qwazixs/CSSU/CSSU-T/
13:14.17zammydouble same message I got it thx
13:14.21zammyLOL
13:14.26zammyexcessive support
13:15.01DocScrutinizer05~botsnack
13:15.01infobot:), DocScrutinizer05
13:15.39DocScrutinizer05~+help
13:16.38qwazixDocScrutinizer05, any chance you got a fresh PR1.3 or CSSU backupmenu backup?
13:17.01DocScrutinizer05could possibly prepare one
13:17.06DocScrutinizer05what for?
13:17.17qwazixrestore broken-usb device
13:17.47qwazix(I could reflash my working one and get one but if someone has one ready, I would appreciate it)
13:17.57DocScrutinizer05I seem to have "virgin/" though still might have some privacy data like WLAN password
13:18.12DocScrutinizer05I don't mind sharing to you, not though to general public
13:18.31qwazixI won't come hack your LAN I promise
13:18.33qwazix:)
13:18.48DocScrutinizer05k, wait a minute
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13:25.09zammyhey qwazix please can you give me the right deb link?
13:25.14zammyI see a list
13:25.18DocScrutinizer05sorry, no BM backup
13:25.30zammyhttp://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/tinymail/
13:25.34DocScrutinizer05qwazix: I can create a BM backup I guess
13:25.36qwazixno prob, I'll clone my working device
13:25.40zammywhich one ?
13:25.47DocScrutinizer05better that
13:26.13qwazixdon't bother, I don't want to put the work I was trying to avoid on you.
13:26.21qwazixzammy, I think all of them
13:26.37qwazixzammy, sorry, no
13:27.12qwazixzammy, just a sec
13:27.37DocScrutinizer05qwazix: wait! what's your problem? broken USB port?
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13:28.13DocScrutinizer05aah, you already answered that. sorry, a bit thick today
13:28.48DocScrutinizer05I think I *ought* provide a virgin CSSU BM backup for general public
13:29.03qwazixzammy,  http://privatepaste.com/8e949f285a
13:29.23DocScrutinizer05but honestly, not too temped right now
13:29.30qwazixDocScrutinizer05, long story: bought broken-usb device used and I want to restore it
13:29.42DocScrutinizer05:nod:
13:30.01qwazixmy main one has u-boot and cssu-thumb and I'm afraid that cloning it may cause bootloop
13:30.11Hurrianqwazix: buy a new port, or get a flashing jig, both are really work it
13:30.16DocScrutinizer05indeed
13:30.18qwazixwhich might be hard to get out of without usb
13:30.30DocScrutinizer05(break)
13:30.41DocScrutinizer05err bootloop
13:31.07zammyoko
13:31.07qwazixHurrian, Port is in place, I tried sticking it better but I don't trust my soldering skills to try more
13:31.15zammyok qwazix
13:31.18zammythank you
13:31.25Hurrianqwazix: ah
13:32.03qwazixanyway, I'll be alright with the broken usb because it's backup device, and I rarely use the usb on the main one anyway
13:32.18qwazixI just want to get rid of all data that are not mine
13:32.21Hurrianqwazix: if you don't trust the backupmenu images floating around, unpack the PR1.3 fiasco
13:32.38Hurrianwith rescueOS installed, you can spend as much time as you want editing configs
13:33.06qwazixHurrian, I can't even find one floating around
13:33.10DocScrutinizer05BM imgs floating around? where?
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13:33.33Hurrianhuh, wait, doesn't robbie have them on his website?
13:33.51zammysamn900, http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/tinymail/
13:33.51DocScrutinizer05nah, he has a fiasco with BM integrated
13:34.20zammyhttp://privatepaste.com/8e949f285a samn900
13:34.30Hurrianmeh, just replace /sbin/preinit with a vanilla one to skip bm
13:34.43DocScrutinizer05and we damn sure should create *official* mirrors od stuff like BM, rescueOS etc
13:35.12DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: a FIASCO
13:35.28HurrianDocScrutinizer05: whoops, mean BM image
13:35.29DocScrutinizer05how ould anybody restore that via BM restore?
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13:35.55Hurrianfresh PR1.3, only non-vanilla thing is that BM is installed.
13:36.56qwazixyeah, but it's a flasher image not a backupmenu image
13:37.05qwazixand I can't flash due to no usb
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13:38.41psycho_oreosYou could probably unpack the fiasco image with the flasher tool and then maybe tar.gz it up afterwards. *shrugs*
13:38.47Hurrianqwazix: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/
13:38.48Hurrianhuh
13:38.56Hurrianwonder what those are
13:38.57DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: yep, most likely
13:39.05qwazixHurrian, million thanks
13:39.22DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: that looks excellent
13:39.34qwazixI didn't know that was there, I just saw the fiasco image on the thread
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13:41.44DocScrutinizer05honestly, I have to pester robbiethe1st if he needs *anything*, and then send it to him in a package he can't refuse to receive
13:43.11DocScrutinizer05if HiFo and council is worth anything, then that. Make sure brilliant guys like Pali, Robbiethe1st, freemangordon don't miss any hw or stuff they need to carry on
13:46.12qwazixDocScrutinizer05, yep
13:51.40DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/96530fe200
13:53.49DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/BMbackups/Robbiethe1st_complete_image/
13:54.12qwazixwtf, my N900 downloads at 80kb/s
13:54.33DocScrutinizer05eeew
13:55.06DocScrutinizer05qwazix: rather download via PC to uSD
13:55.48qwazixYeah, it crossed my mind, but I saw the small overall size and I was too lazy to swap the μSD
13:56.37DocScrutinizer05small overall size? only 155MB
13:57.00qwazixyeah, what's 155mb? I usually download that in a couple of minutes
13:57.18DocScrutinizer05should still DL fine, via wlan and proper internet connectivity
13:57.41DocScrutinizer05try my alternative as of above
13:58.20qwazixpc downloads at 600+ using the same WLAN
13:58.26DocScrutinizer05dang, stack error. Somebody asked sth
13:58.27qwazixweird
13:59.55DocScrutinizer05seems that got answered already
14:00.26DocScrutinizer05~seen robbiethe1st
14:00.27infobotrobbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-37-148-53.mscw.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 11h 33m 12s ago, saying: '... of course, this is the wrong window, but meh'.
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14:03.23DocScrutinizer05~listkeys BM
14:03.30DocScrutinizer05thought as much
14:03.46DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #maemo BM
14:04.03DocScrutinizer05~literal bm
14:04.03infobot"bm" is "<reply>see backupmenu"
14:04.16DocScrutinizer05o...K
14:04.28DocScrutinizer05~listkeys backupmenu
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14:08.18DocScrutinizer05~#maemo bm-images is http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/BMbackups/Robbiethe1st_complete_image/   FIASCO+BM: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img  http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img
14:08.18infobotokay, DocScrutinizer05
14:08.41zammyhey qwazix
14:08.52zammythat has not helped
14:08.53DocScrutinizer05~bm-images
14:08.54infobot[bm-images] http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/BMbackups/Robbiethe1st_complete_image/   FIASCO+BM: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img  http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img
14:09.00zammyI mean I tried to install the deb
14:09.07zammybut they were not compatible
14:09.35DocScrutinizer05pastebin diagnostic output
14:09.58DocScrutinizer05~pastebin
14:09.58infobotA "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://www.pastebin.com, http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.
14:14.19ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; yep :)
14:14.30DocScrutinizer05yep wut
14:14.46DocScrutinizer05sorry, stack overflow
14:14.57DocScrutinizer05rather, heap cleaned
14:15.20ShadowJK@ nokia rubber boots box
14:15.22DocScrutinizer05context lost
14:15.24DocScrutinizer05aaah
14:15.39DocScrutinizer05:)
14:16.41DocScrutinizer05ponders when he had his last pair of rubber boots
14:16.49DocScrutinizer05might be about time to get some
14:18.04DocScrutinizer05actually I think that's ~40 years since I last had rubber boots
14:18.35ShadowJKhttp://enivax.net/jk/nokiabox.jpg
14:18.52DocScrutinizer05AWESOME
14:18.56ShadowJKgets back to mowing the lawn, in non-nokia boots
14:21.23DocScrutinizer05no nokia boots on fleabay
14:21.27DocScrutinizer05:-S
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14:22.06DocScrutinizer05>>More items related to "rubber boots nokia"<<  Rubber Coated Cover Black For Nokia XpressMusic 5610...
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14:39.22DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Robbiethe1st  urgently needs update
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14:58.13DocScrutinizer05LOLBWAHAHAHA
14:58.18DocScrutinizer05jr@saturn:~/bin> file fiasco-gen
14:58.19DocScrutinizer05fiasco-gen: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, not stripped
14:59.20DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# fiasco-
14:59.21DocScrutinizer05fiasco-do-update     fiasco-flasher       fiasco-image-update  
14:59.47DocScrutinizer05scp fiasco-gen Iron900:/
15:05.05DocScrutinizer05*SIGH*
15:05.07DocScrutinizer05** PROBLEM Service Alert: talk.maemo.org/HTTP is CRITICAL **
15:06.35DocScrutinizer05chem|st_: ANYTHING PENDING? that I should know of?
15:09.12DocScrutinizer05headdesks
15:10.32DocScrutinizer05root@talk:/var/log# du -h .
15:10.33DocScrutinizer056.1G    ./apache2
15:10.39DocScrutinizer05root@talk:/var/log# df -h .
15:10.41DocScrutinizer05Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
15:10.42DocScrutinizer05/dev/xvda        15G   15G     0 100% /
15:12.48kerio6gb of logs? :o
15:12.59DocScrutinizer05no more
15:13.02DocScrutinizer05;-P
15:14.06DocScrutinizer05rm *.log.[12][0-9].gz
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15:14.39DocScrutinizer05root@talk:/var/log/apache2# df -h .
15:14.41DocScrutinizer05Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
15:14.42DocScrutinizer05/dev/xvda        15G   13G  1.9G  87% /
15:15.03DocScrutinizer05-rw-r-----  1 root adm  1637190584 Jul 20 15:14 access.log
15:15.05DocScrutinizer05-rw-r-----  1 root adm  1713973601 Jul 14 06:27 access.log.1
15:15.28ecc2gyow
15:15.38DocScrutinizer05indeed
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15:15.52ecc2gat least logrotate is working
15:15.55DocScrutinizer05prolly time to give tmo a reboot
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15:16.11DocScrutinizer05logrotate LOL ;-P
15:17.11DocScrutinizer05sorry, no other clue how to recover tmo VM from recent glitch, other than to reboot it
15:17.21DocScrutinizer05or maybe
15:17.23DocScrutinizer05...
15:17.32DocScrutinizer05seems everything back to normal?
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15:22.55DocScrutinizer05if you seem to encounter abnormal tmo behavior (VM, *not* lusers! ;-P), please holler
15:23.26DocScrutinizer05** RECOVERY Service Alert: talk.maemo.org/HTTP is OK **
15:23.37DrCodehi all
15:23.53DrCodeI got no space left in rootfs and apt-get, any idea?
15:24.11DocScrutinizer05you got no space left on apt-get?
15:24.34DrCodeyes
15:24.35DrCodealso in app manager
15:25.13DocScrutinizer05sorry, this makes no sense. Maybe you meant "apt-get complains about 'no space left on rootfs'"
15:25.32DrCodeyes
15:25.42DrCodethats right
15:25.45DrCodeI can't install
15:25.46DocScrutinizer05you filled rootfs with cruft
15:26.02DrCodewhen I run df -h , I see rootfs 0 space
15:26.04DrCodeleft
15:26.15DocScrutinizer05sorry no way on earth to tell you which particular cruft that might've been
15:26.39DocScrutinizer05maybe sth you installed and rather shouldn't have done that
15:26.47DocScrutinizer05or you copied files to there
15:26.59DocScrutinizer05or syslog filled up your rootfs
15:27.26DocScrutinizer05there's a zillion possibilities, each single one caused by user, not by system
15:27.26DrCodehow can I get to roofs? I want to run du -h
15:27.47DocScrutinizer05xterm, root, du -h
15:28.02Lava_Croft300 updates and counting
15:28.04Lava_Croftgo windows!
15:28.04DocScrutinizer05actually you don't even need root
15:28.41DrCodebut I see that rootfs is only 270mb
15:28.46DocScrutinizer05yes
15:28.53DrCodecan I move it or expaend iT?
15:28.57DocScrutinizer05that's as much as you possibly might get
15:29.00DocScrutinizer05no
15:29.25Lava_Crofthow do people even manage to fill it up :<
15:29.35DocScrutinizer05there's a zillion possibilities, each single one caused by user, not by system
15:29.48DrCodewhere can I find what take space in rootfs?
15:29.55DrCodeis it releated to apt-get?
15:30.02Lava_Croftim pretty much at the bottom of responsible computer people, but that hasnt happened yet
15:30.07DocScrutinizer05du -h /
15:30.16Lava_Crofti did break partition tables on desktop PC last night and lost everything not backed up
15:30.19Lava_Croftso \o/
15:30.50DocScrutinizer05DrCode: and no, most likely not related to apt-get
15:31.16DocScrutinizer05unless you used apt-get to install some package that's not meant to get installed on N900
15:31.16Lava_CroftDrCode: you havent had that n900 for long right, and flashed it very recently
15:31.32Lava_Croftso the timespan in which you could have screwed up isnt that large
15:32.01DocScrutinizer05well, time for another reflash
15:32.10Lava_Croftand backupmenu right away afterwards
15:32.27Lava_Croftand keep making backups:P
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15:32.44DocScrutinizer05and stay away from root
15:32.50DocScrutinizer05and apt-get
15:32.53Lava_CroftDrCode: if you are only a little bit like me, expect to reflash more often :P
15:33.10Lava_Croftdont go poking about if you dont really know what you are doing
15:33.40Lava_Croftn900 is like windows, most of the time the answer is ´format it!´
15:34.35DocScrutinizer05user "user"'s $home is on 2GB eMMC. Nobody but root *can* write to / aka rootfs humble 240MB raw
15:35.49DocScrutinizer05so unless you did wget http://some-huge-crap as root, in root's $HOME, I dunno how you could've messed it up
15:36.04DocScrutinizer05thus: stay away from root and sudo gainroot
15:36.37DocScrutinizer05best: unistall rootsh
15:37.29DocScrutinizer05(and YES, uninstall all crap apps that claim to need it, too)
15:38.26NIN101you can simply fill it up by installing too much applications.
15:38.52DocScrutinizer05hardly
15:39.17DocScrutinizer05unless those were apps that never may have gone to extras repo
15:39.58DocScrutinizer05no tested and rightfully promoted app may use up >50kB of /
15:40.16DocScrutinizer05maybe 100
15:40.42DocScrutinizer05so even worst case you had to install several 100s of apps to fill up rootfs
15:42.02NIN101well, I have had a different experience. Maybe those were some extras-devel applications, non optificated, dunno.
15:42.28DocScrutinizer05If anybody gets to know about any app in maemo-extras that eats more than 100kB of rootfs space, please let me know. Such app need urgent fix (optification)
15:44.02DocScrutinizer05NIN101: you can't find any tested&promoted app in extras-devel,  per definitionem
15:44.14NIN101yeah.
15:45.33NIN101DrCode didn't say whether he has extras-devels enabled or not.
15:45.57DocScrutinizer05he didn't say much about what he did anyway
15:46.44DocScrutinizer05as per general advice, you MUST NOT have extras-devel enabled on a per-default basis
15:47.23DocScrutinizer05~2119
15:47.23infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.
15:47.42DocScrutinizer05~rfc 2119
15:47.42infobotwell, rfc 2119 is Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels. S. Bradner. March 1997. (Format: TXT=4723 bytes) (Also BCP0014) (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACTICE)
15:49.00NIN101I don't care about this advice. and 90% of maemo users neither,
15:49.12DocScrutinizer05your fault
15:49.25NIN101I know. I didn't complain.
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15:50.41Lava_Croftif maemo was healthy, extras-devel would probably indeed by bad to have enabled by default
15:50.56Lava_Croftbut most broken apps on extras-devel have been spotted by now:P
15:51.37DocScrutinizer05so what?
15:51.38Lava_Croftits probably smart to wear your seatbelt, even when driving to the local supermarket ;)
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15:52.10Lava_Croftso what as in if maeo was actually healthy and saw a lot of new applications incoming, extras-devel would be different
15:52.20DocScrutinizer05do you suggest new users search the interwebs to find out which are those spotted apps?
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15:53.04DocScrutinizer05NB there's not even a general means to remove any app from extras-devel
15:53.26Lava_Crofti suggest nothing
15:53.37DocScrutinizer05whatever gets uploaded to there will likely stay until maemo goes down
15:54.04Lava_Croftin theory you are very right
15:54.12Lava_Croftin practice it just doesnt really matter
15:54.22Lava_Croftuntil theory catches up;)
15:54.29DocScrutinizer05sorry, Lava_Croft, I don't get the point of your statement >><Lava_Croft> but most broken apps on extras-devel have been spotted by now:P <<
15:54.32DrCodeI don't know
15:54.41DrCodehow do I check it?
15:55.09qwazixmeh, reboot loop!
15:55.18DocScrutinizer05mmmph
15:55.20DocScrutinizer05shit
15:55.26Lava_Croft>_<
15:55.54Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: after a while, you have probably installed a few broken things from extras-devel, thats what i meant
15:56.12Lava_Croftlife is tough around extremists
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15:57.45DrCodeis there youtube player?
15:58.18Lava_Crofttried searching for youtube or tube or you in the app manager
15:58.37Lava_Croftcan search for 'cute' too! ;)
15:58.51DocScrutinizer05~packages
15:58.57DocScrutinizer05~pkg
15:58.57infobotwell, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/
16:00.25DrCodeI did
16:00.37DrCodebut it still dosnt play video
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16:02.52DocScrutinizer05last time I checked I had no issues playing lowres youtube videos in microB
16:03.07DrCodeI tryied cute
16:03.11DrCodecute
16:03.36DrCodedo I need to install flash or somthing?
16:03.50DocScrutinizer05flash is installed
16:05.31DrCodestrange , it dosn't play well
16:05.58DrCodeI am thinking to refleash it and install it again
16:06.12Lava_Croftcutetube works fine here
16:06.22DrCodewhat firmware to install?
16:07.15DrCodelava:last time U told me some appliction that sync gmail contacts and calander?
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16:07.28DrCodesomethinng call eminim?
16:07.29DrCodedon't remmber the exct name
16:07.39Lava_Croftno, i told about an app to sync calendar, called erminig or erminig-ng :)
16:07.48Lava_Croftgoogle calendar, not contacts etc
16:07.53DrCodeyes
16:08.01DrCodeerming
16:08.02DrCodesorry
16:08.23DrCodeand contacts I can sync via mfe
16:08.33Lava_Crofti guess, never tried
16:08.34DrCodeexchange sync
16:09.07DrCodeok
16:09.13DrCodewhat firmware is recommanded?
16:09.18DrCodeglobal or middle east?
16:09.40DrCodealso is it recommanded to use cssu?
16:10.00DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIOBSUSAikY
16:10.00qwazixglobal, and yes, the stable version
16:10.15DrCodeok
16:10.24DocScrutinizer05just works (with some stuttering in video but OK audio)
16:10.29DrCodecssu stable?
16:10.51qwazix(though if you use gmail you will need http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90399 until it gets into cssu stable)
16:11.02qwazixyes
16:11.06DrCodeok
16:11.38DrCodeok
16:11.41DrCodethanku
16:11.46qwazixyw
16:11.56DrCodeI will reflash
16:12.07DrCodethankyou
16:12.29DrCodedose the global have hebrew or arabic version?
16:12.59DrCodein my n900 I couldn't find hebrew
16:13.04qwazixnot sure about that
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16:13.23qwazixI use ukeyboard which adds a couple of input languages
16:13.44qwazixgoing out, cya later
16:14.04DrCodeok
16:14.05DrCodethankyou qwazix
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16:26.39DocScrutinizer05DrCode: about hebrew support you need to wait a bit til the guys who *should* know will answer
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16:48.40Siceloqwazix: gmail fix reached CSSU-S long ago :)
16:53.26DocScrutinizer05it did?
16:53.36DocScrutinizer05I thought that's been quite recent fix
16:54.00DocScrutinizer05even to CSSU-T
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16:54.46Sicelowell, i did apt-get update one day, and the fix immediately prompted to install
16:55.41DocScrutinizer0521.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.2 (14.06.2013)  Fixed gmail FETCH reply containing more that one open/close bracket pairs
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16:57.01DocScrutinizer0521.2011.38-1Smaemo6.1 (18.06.2013)  tinymail   fixing gmail FETCH problem
16:57.39DocScrutinizer05well, looong ago as in ... 5 weeks ;-)
16:57.45DocScrutinizer05but yeah you're right
16:58.30DocScrutinizer05(looking up changelogs helps a lot ;-D)
16:58.46DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable
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17:01.01DocScrutinizer05wonders how that fix made it from T to S in just 4 days :-o
17:01.28DocScrutinizer05damn that HAS to be a small and safe fix
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17:51.46chem|st_DocScrutinizer05: as I said the server needs some love!
17:51.49chem|st_:)
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17:56.59DocScrutinizer05chem|st: yep
17:57.42DocScrutinizer05and twi http-access.log, one 1.5 and one 1.7GB in size is a particular PITA in itself
17:57.47DocScrutinizer05two*
17:59.04DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/d3d1533a2f
18:00.12DocScrutinizer05could anybody tell me sth about this html snippet, and why it doesn't display tmo-based karma (or if it's even meant to display tmo/any karma at all)
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18:03.25DocScrutinizer05I guess the whole black magic is about net_nehmer_account_karma_dba::new_query_builder() and $karmas = $qb->execute()
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18:14.48qwazixSicelo, ack. I thought that post was updated.
18:16.07qwazixDocScrutinizer05, I don't know how safe it is, but I know that it was so important it had to go to S pretty fast. Made devices unusable for those of us that use gmail.
18:17.32Sicelothe code looks completely safe
18:17.44DocScrutinizer05qwazix: sure, but that's not yet sufficient criteria to cut corners on quarantine
18:19.04qwazixDocScrutinizer05,  I think that it is, but that's opinion, and I'm not CSSU so it doesn't matter too much
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18:20.51qwazixon another topic, is there any way to access the device besides fixing the usb or using jtag?
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18:25.41DocScrutinizer05yes, sure
18:29.46DocScrutinizer05J5300/1 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports
18:30.11DocScrutinizer05J2000 pin 3 :: USB VBUS 5V
18:31.22qwazixthanks
18:32.06DocScrutinizer05yw
18:34.23DocScrutinizer05I suggest getting one of those rubber blocks with embedded parallel conductive rubber fibers, commonly found to connect LCD to LCDcontroller PCB
18:37.02DocScrutinizer05cut off a piece log enough and high enough to exactly fit into the aperture around J5000/1. Then pierce the tin-coated wire ends of D+ and D- of your USB cable into the according conductive fibers in that rubber block, place it into the aperture and fixate it inserting the battery
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18:40.15Pali@all cssu testers: big pulseaudio testing is needed: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1360475#post1360475
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18:58.04win7macGood evening all!
19:03.23Siceloepub readers on N900 are almost all slow :-/
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20:12.13qwazixDocScrutinizer05, I fixed it! I resoldered the usb, flashed, and I'm in maemo now.
20:12.40qwazixI cut the extra metal from the usb port like you said. Thanks, you rock!
20:13.15DocScrutinizer05qwazix: \o/
20:15.33win7macN900Scrutinizer05 ;)
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20:53.52FIQ|n900hi
20:54.07FIQ|n900xchat went a little sad on startup blaming permissions in the logfiles
20:54.39FIQ|n900I took a look and after a while, found out a few files with the following data shown on ls -l:
20:54.43FIQ|n900-????????? ? ?    ?            ?                ? LaZ-.log
20:54.52FIQ|n900what does this mean?
20:55.18FIQ|n900it seems unable to find any data on the file at all
20:55.30FIQ|n900corrupt data? something else?
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20:55.43FIQ|n900and if it's the former - how should I go and solve it?
20:56.18ecc2gyeah usually that means the filesystem is corrupt, possibly due to flash failure...
20:56.39FIQ|n900flash failure eh
20:56.57FIQ|n900if it's hw fault, I guess there's no way to remedy it?
20:58.05FIQ|n900ecc2g: is there another remedy apart from "reinstall everything from scratch"? :p
20:59.11FIQ|n900because I would rather avoid that
20:59.48FIQ|n900seems like 4 files are affected, in .xchatlogs
21:00.34ecc2gi'm not familiar with the recovery options on the n900 yet, but ideally you unmount that partition, fsck it and see if it will fix it.  But I'm not sure how to do that on the n900...
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21:01.03FIQ|n900I've had issues with MyDocs corruption earlier and managed to fix it with some fscking and removal of corrupt stuff
21:01.12FIQ|n900but this is the /home partition...
21:01.25ecc2gyeah, that's why it's a bit tricky...
21:01.33FIQ|n900and not as trivial to just umount and fsck
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21:01.44ecc2gthere was this recovery program...
21:03.03FIQ|n900doesn't ext3 have journaling though? i.e. once you *do* manage to get fsck running, it should solve problems far better than fat can do
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21:03.25FIQ|n900hmm
21:03.32FIQ|n900I have backupmenu installed
21:03.46FIQ|n900perhaps the recovery terminal within it can help
21:03.57FIQ|n900but I never managed to get that thing usable
21:04.36FIQ|n900because it kept giving me nothing but a black screen
21:04.50DrCodehi all
21:04.54FIQ|n900hi
21:06.02DrCodeI got forbiden in cute youtube when I try to download
21:06.25DrCodestrang
21:06.36DrCodestrang
21:07.03DrCodesorry , any idea?
21:07.58qwazixprobably youtube changed something
21:08.02qwazixdoes vimeo work?
21:12.38DrCodeI didnt check yet
21:12.58DrCodeI am using cssu
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21:16.03qwazixcssu or not it shouldn't have any effect. If vimeo download works on cutetube it means that youtube changed something to not allow video downloads
21:16.57FIQ|n900they've never allowed video downloads
21:17.10FIQ|n900people are just playing cat and mouse :P
21:19.23RST38hmoos
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21:22.24DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: fist try a manual fsck
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21:23.47DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: iirc BM has an fsck option
21:23.58FIQ|n900oh it has?
21:24.04FIQ|n900will check it out then
21:24.14DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: anyway you first should do a BM backup
21:24.23FIQ|n900see you in a few minutes up to some hours
21:24.27FIQ|n900yeah I'll do that
21:24.49DocScrutinizer05and don't forget to copy your ~ as well, since iirc BM does *not* backup that
21:25.40DocScrutinizer05then first thing to try is to remove the dir containing the garbled files, after copying the valuable files in that .xchat2/
21:25.45FIQ|n900it does backup both partitions
21:25.57DocScrutinizer05It says it backups /opt
21:26.06FIQ|n900both = rootfs and 2gb
21:26.06FIQ|n900ah
21:26.09FIQ|n900I assumed it meant both partitions by that
21:26.25DocScrutinizer05I always tend to think /opt == /home but in fact it isn't
21:26.33FIQ|n900I guess I can somehow backup that too...
21:26.50DocScrutinizer05simply tar it up to uSD
21:26.54FIQ|n900don't know if cp is a good idea given those corrupt files
21:27.15FIQ|n900no uSD here
21:27.17DocScrutinizer05you tried to read from that file?
21:27.31FIQ|n900the corrupt file? not directly
21:27.35DocScrutinizer05tar it to MyDocs then
21:27.37FIQ|n900but I assume ls -l tries to
21:27.41DocScrutinizer05no
21:27.51DocScrutinizer05ls -l simply reads out the dir inodes
21:27.53FIQ|n900but xchat perhaps do...
21:28.10DocScrutinizer05what does ls say how long that file?
21:28.12FIQ|n900given that xchat said it was unable to open some log files for writing
21:28.17FIQ|n900"?"
21:28.21DocScrutinizer05ooh
21:28.26DocScrutinizer05nice
21:28.32FIQ|n900nice?
21:28.43FIQ|n900nice how
21:28.53DocScrutinizer05copy everything non-garbled out of .xchat2/, then delete .xchat2/
21:29.05DocScrutinizer05nice like funny
21:29.15FIQ|n900hm
21:29.22FIQ|n900will try it
21:30.15DocScrutinizer05rather, first rename the dir
21:30.30DocScrutinizer05mv .xchat2 garbled-shit
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21:31.03DocScrutinizer05ext3 journal doesn't help once the volume got mounted
21:31.11DocScrutinizer05not for fsck
21:32.07win7macROTFL... believe it or not, there is a company named Dog Schidt...
21:32.20FIQ|n900ok
21:32.30win7macand they're serious about it: https://www.facebook.com/DogSchidtOptiks
21:32.40DocScrutinizer05a few other thing you can try: stat, lsof, less *
21:32.47win7macHave a nice trip: http://vimeo.com/69051998
21:33.28FIQ|n900uhhh
21:34.45FIQ|n900hm
21:34.51FIQ|n900that might be a problem
21:38.06DocScrutinizer05fsck -nv /home
21:38.51FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: when I tried to cp everything, a couple of other files gave Invalid argument
21:39.02FIQ|n900more than these that ls couldn't bother with
21:39.08DocScrutinizer05which ones?
21:39.28FIQ|n900*everything from xchat2
21:39.33DocScrutinizer05duh
21:41.21DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/103c92b22e
21:41.50DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/358a2ce8c5
21:41.57FIQ|n900well for example a file .xchat2/scrollback/QuakeNet/j3b|skoldator.txt - tried ls -l on that directory and saw no issues
21:42.03FIQ|n900could even read the file with less
21:42.10FIQ|n900which was a bit confusing
21:43.08DocScrutinizer05please pastebin whole session of yours
21:43.47DocScrutinizer05maybe your cp cmd actually had invalid argument?
21:43.51FIQ|n900not easy given lack of scrollback @terminal...
21:44.00FIQ|n900ah no that wasn't it
21:44.13FIQ|n900hmm wait let's try something
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21:45.15FIQ|n900[323][user@Nokia-N900 ~/MyDocs/backups/xchat2/scrollback/QuakeNet]$ cp ~/.xchat2/scrollback/QuakeNet/* .
21:45.16FIQ|n900cp: kan inte skapa normal fil "./j3b|skoldator.txt": Invalid argument
21:45.26FIQ|n900nothing wrong with the syntax
21:45.37FIQ|n900and it manages to create all other files in the directory fine
21:46.12DocScrutinizer05sentimentally recalls old weird stories from the times when linux did a "mv ~/bla/ ~/bla/blaerg/bla"
21:47.12FIQ|n900why can I read that file but not copy it?
21:47.17DocScrutinizer05you shouldn't use wildcards
21:47.51FIQ|n900not?
21:48.09DocScrutinizer05not to copy all the files that are not garbled
21:49.02DocScrutinizer05also a LANG=en_GB would be nice
21:49.09FIQ|n900oh yeah
21:49.25FIQ|n900but point is
21:49.34DocScrutinizer05[LANG=C doesn't work on maemo >:-(  ]
21:49.48FIQ|n900couldn't possibly know there wasn't any issues with the file before actually trying to copy it
21:50.26DocScrutinizer05well, it probably has a rotten inode in file-inodes
21:50.48DocScrutinizer05or a completely illegal char in filename
21:51.06FIQ|n900ohhhh might be that @illegal char
21:51.11DocScrutinizer05or it's even messybox that fails
21:51.12FIQ|n900or does fat support |?
21:51.24DocScrutinizer05messybox might not
21:51.33FIQ|n900no cp is gnu provided
21:51.39DocScrutinizer05you know wildcards get expanded by shell
21:51.40FIQ|n900have coreutils-gnu here
21:51.46FIQ|n900using bash
21:51.57DocScrutinizer05mhm
21:51.59DocScrutinizer05good
21:52.04FIQ|n900ok will try to copy it manually
21:52.09FIQ|n900w/o wildcarding
21:52.11DocScrutinizer05do a stat j*
21:52.17DocScrutinizer05pastebin result pls
21:52.45DocScrutinizer05or even tab-expand j rather than using wildcard
21:53.49DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: your last reboot resp shutdown been not a gentle one?
21:54.30FIQ|n900my last reboot was fine
21:54.46FIQ|n900however I've done some ungentle reboots earlier
21:54.47DocScrutinizer05no hard shutdown or anything?
21:55.00FIQ|n900no not last time
21:55.03FIQ|n900[23:54:46] <FIQ|n900> however I've done some ungentle reboots earlier
21:55.14FIQ|n900perhaps I should refrain from doing it unless necessary
21:55.16DocScrutinizer05may have hidden since
21:55.51FIQ|n900reason is that I usually just switch batteries w/o bothering shutting down beforehand
21:56.01FIQ|n900never realized it could give annoying consequences...
21:56.07DocScrutinizer05that's nasty
21:56.21FIQ|n900well apparently it wasn't a good idea
21:56.29DocScrutinizer05did you do a fsck -nv meanwhile?
21:56.54FIQ|n900btw, how do I pastebin content from terminal directly?
21:57.00FIQ|n900there was some curl-fu way...
21:57.03FIQ|n900fsck -nv hmm
21:57.34FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: that requires umounting, no?
21:57.39FIQ|n900even though it's simulation
21:57.44FIQ|n900(i.e. -n)
21:58.13DocScrutinizer05IroN900:/home/user# date | pastebinit
21:58.15DocScrutinizer05http://pastebin.com/M9j5Vvmn
21:58.29DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/358a2ce8c5
21:58.33FIQ|n900oh I have pastebinit apparently
21:58.37FIQ|n900forgots
21:59.30FIQ|n900http://pastebin.com/YDSan2RT
21:59.58FIQ|n900hmm
22:00.08FIQ|n900"normal fil" sounds swedish...
22:01.47DocScrutinizer05indeed
22:01.49FIQ|n900http://pastebin.com/qraGtc3a english localization in case you didn't like the first one
22:02.04DocScrutinizer05anyway, looks normal
22:02.11FIQ|n900(i.e. using LANG=en_GB;
22:02.13FIQ|n900*)
22:02.18FIQ|n900ok will try something
22:02.47FIQ|n900...that didn't work
22:03.03FIQ|n900lang=en_GB also doesn't seem to do anything
22:03.08DocScrutinizer05less f*
22:03.14FIQ|n900touch: sätter tider på "test|a": No such file or directory
22:03.24DocScrutinizer05LANG
22:03.28FIQ|n900so basically I found the reason why *that* file failed
22:03.34FIQ|n900[00:03:01] <FIQ|n900> lang=en_GB also doesn't seem to do anything
22:03.39FIQ|n900anyway
22:03.44FIQ|n900fat doesn't like |
22:03.51FIQ|n900which is why cp failed with that file
22:04.03DocScrutinizer05sure thing
22:04.07DocScrutinizer05toldya
22:04.19FIQ|n900but still
22:04.22FIQ|n900sec
22:05.26FIQ|n900ok good
22:05.39FIQ|n900everything cp failed was either one of the 4 files
22:05.48FIQ|n900or something fat didn't like
22:05.53DocScrutinizer05use tar
22:06.29FIQ|n900just taring the partition directly via /dev?
22:07.16DocScrutinizer05nah, I thought of taring your ~
22:07.22FIQ|n900hm
22:08.13FIQ|n900wont that attempt to tar MyDocs too?
22:08.25FIQ|n900hmm
22:08.34FIQ|n900let's see if exclusion is possible
22:08.51DocScrutinizer05same-fs should be possible
22:10.40DocScrutinizer05--one-file-system
22:11.38FIQ|n900then this I guess: tar -cf home.tar --one-file-system ~
22:11.52FIQ|n900btw, can this freeze the system?
22:12.15FIQ|n900once before when I did a big file download to MyDocs, system froze and proceed to corrupt MyDocs
22:12.20FIQ|n900so I'd rather avoid that
22:16.22FIQ|n900btw DocScrutinizer05
22:16.32FIQ|n900ls: kan inte komma åt LaZ-#romhacking.log: Stale NFS file handle
22:16.42FIQ|n900(sorry about lack of proper localization, see above why)
22:16.58FIQ|n900that's the error it gives for these 4 inaccessible files
22:17.27FIQ|n900doesn't tell me anything, perhaps it tells you the exact issue
22:18.21DocScrutinizer05try find /home/user/ -n -path="*MyDoc*" -exec tar A -f home.tar {} \;
22:18.50FIQ|n900should I halt the execution of what I gave earlier?
22:18.51DocScrutinizer05about localization: LANG, not lang
22:18.59FIQ|n900LANG=en_GB
22:19.03FIQ|n900is what I ran
22:19.21FIQ|n900i.e. LANG=en_GB (command)
22:20.09FIQ|n900hm
22:20.14DocScrutinizer05LANG=en_EN
22:20.19DocScrutinizer05sorry
22:20.44DocScrutinizer05LANG=en_EN cp --help
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22:20.56FIQ|n900-n fails @ find
22:20.58FIQ|n900unknown option
22:21.02DocScrutinizer05umm
22:21.41FIQ|n900find: unknown predicate `-n'
22:21.46FIQ|n900to be exact
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22:21.55DocScrutinizer05-not
22:21.59FIQ|n900ok
22:22.31DocScrutinizer05but if your other command didn't already freeze
22:22.38DocScrutinizer05you should let it finsih
22:23.12FIQ|n900it didn't freeze
22:23.17FIQ|n900and I let it finish
22:23.38FIQ|n900it only failed 8 files, 4 in .modest due to permission issues, and then the other 4 in .xchat2
22:24.00DocScrutinizer05permission issues?
22:24.30FIQ|n900but I assumed there was something wrong with what I gave (like, it excluding stuff or things like that) so I tried your command as well...
22:24.45FIQ|n900tar: /home/user/.modest/cache/cert8.db: Funktion "open" misslyckades: Permission denied
22:25.02FIQ|n900(and no didn't run that command before with LANG, sorry
22:25.04FIQ|n900)
22:25.15DocScrutinizer05nm
22:25.15FIQ|n900same issue with the other .db files
22:25.27DocScrutinizer05what's ls -l of those?
22:26.25FIQ|n900600, only root has access
22:26.32DocScrutinizer05-rw------- 1 user users  doesn't give a clue why you couldn't read it
22:26.36FIQ|n900also it was 3 db files, miscounted lines sorry
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22:27.14DocScrutinizer05flock() ?
22:27.31FIQ|n900http://pastebin.com/jDJZbFsh
22:27.38FIQ|n900is the ls -l of that directory
22:28.16DocScrutinizer05~ $ cp /home/user/.modest/cache/cert8.db xxx
22:28.16FIQ|n900the 3 who only root can access wasn't able to be included with tar
22:28.17DocScrutinizer05~ $ ls -l xxx
22:28.19DocScrutinizer05-rw-------    1 user     users       65536 Jul 21 00:27 xxx
22:28.23FIQ|n900huh
22:28.30FIQ|n900why is it only for root for me?
22:29.44FIQ|n900and yeah, trying the same thing logically gave "cp: cannot open `.modest/cache/cert8.db' for reading: Permission denied"
22:29.46DocScrutinizer05no idea
22:29.54FIQ|n900should it be like that?
22:30.04DocScrutinizer05most likely not
22:30.05FIQ|n900otherwise I guess I could change it with sudo...
22:30.20DocScrutinizer05you probably should
22:30.33FIQ|n900anyway
22:30.34DocScrutinizer05I guess you did some cert handling as root
22:30.49FIQ|n900doubt it tbh, but perhaps
22:30.56DocScrutinizer05back with TURKCERT
22:31.16qwazixwhat's the package that asks for time each time the N900 forgets it?
22:31.21FIQ|n900as said earlier - only these 4 files (in .xchat2) appeared to be corrupt given tar results
22:31.34FIQ|n900and another question you never answered
22:31.37DocScrutinizer05qwazix: sth like welcome
22:31.55FIQ|n900wouldn't fsck -nv require umounting the partition?
22:32.02DocScrutinizer05no
22:32.06DocScrutinizer05see my pastebin
22:32.07FIQ|n900ah ok
22:32.15qwazixhildon-welcome maybe?
22:32.30DocScrutinizer05hildon-welcome is shakehands iirc
22:32.49qwazixsafe to remove?
22:32.59DocScrutinizer05~jrtools
22:32.59infobotmethinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
22:33.21FIQ|n900http://pastebin.com/fCxq3n63 is the fsck result
22:33.43FIQ|n900doesn't sound very good to me...
22:34.44FIQ|n900well it only complained on one thing
22:34.49qwazixDocScrutinizer05, removing the file works fine, I was wondering if it would be better to remove the package too.
22:34.58FIQ|n900(besides the obvious issue of partition being mounted)
22:35.51FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: but as I did backup with tar, is it safe to simply shutdown and fsck via BM now?
22:37.13FIQ|n900I guess it's not *too* bad given only 4 files seem to have issues, all in one directory... but you never know with fs corruptions :x
22:37.20DocScrutinizer05I'd simply delete .xchat2 first
22:37.27FIQ|n900mkay
22:37.31FIQ|n900will try that
22:37.56FIQ|n900failed
22:38.10DocScrutinizer05stale nfslock?
22:38.26FIQ|n900it successfully removed everything in the directory besides those 4 yeah
22:38.32FIQ|n900(and their parent directories)
22:38.44FIQ|n900yes
22:38.48DocScrutinizer05rm -rf
22:38.51DocScrutinizer05maybe
22:38.59FIQ|n900that's what I did
22:39.09DocScrutinizer05then do a fsck via BM
22:39.20FIQ|n900ok
22:39.47DocScrutinizer05or even directly on mounted fs, if you can convince fsck
22:40.36DocScrutinizer05fsck -v should maybe do it
22:41.39DocScrutinizer05-V even
22:42.03DocScrutinizer05actually -M is needed to NOT check mounted fs, aiui
22:43.22DocScrutinizer05-r for "interactively"
22:45.16qwazixosso-startup-wizard
22:45.19qwazixprobably
22:45.31DocScrutinizer05actually, -r isn't needed as well, for e2fsck
22:45.55qwazixI wonder if I replace the binary with a symlink to rdate...
22:47.43DocScrutinizer05yes, osso-startup-wizard
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22:48.14DocScrutinizer05qwazix: rather find where it gets called
22:48.39DocScrutinizer05and comment it out
22:50.02DocScrutinizer05less /etc/osso-cud-scripts/osso-startup-wizard-cud.sh  :-o
22:50.49DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
22:53.30DocScrutinizer05less /usr/share/osso-startup-wizard/mcc.txt
22:53.40DocScrutinizer05might as well be PIN requester
22:56.27DocScrutinizer05less /usr/share/osso-startup-wizard/startup-ui-settings.config
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23:06.48DocScrutinizer05./osso-af-init/real-af-startup
23:08.33DocScrutinizer05if [ -x $AF_INIT_DIR/startup-wizard.sh ]; then  wizback_method advance 1; source $AF_INIT_DIR/startup-wizard.sh start; if [ "x$AFTER_SUW_RESTART_NEEDED" != "x0" ]; then source $AF_INIT_DIR/af-defines.sh ;# re-read locale variables
23:09.00DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
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23:10.37FIQ|n900well ok
23:10.41FIQ|n900tried to fsck that partition
23:11.01FIQ|n900it blamed on the 4 files mentioned, but also on some other stuff
23:11.03FIQ|n900and umm
23:11.13FIQ|n900now I have a bigger problem than before
23:11.18FIQ|n900:p
23:11.51FIQ|n900well I do have ~ backed up and possible to restore
23:12.01FIQ|n900this is not the case with /opt though
23:13.42psycho_oreosIsn't /opt usually tied in with the same partition as /home?
23:14.51FIQ|n900I have http://pastebin.com/QpvcCq00 showing now @ fsck -nv
23:15.12FIQ|n900psycho_oreos: yes it's the same partition, I forgot a certain step before fscking.. :D
23:15.16FIQ|n900the actual BM backup
23:16.02FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: should I try to erase the fs and restore an older BM backup?
23:16.14FIQ|n900or would that break BM before being able to restore?
23:16.27FIQ|n900i.e.
23:16.32FIQ|n900remove the fs
23:16.35FIQ|n900recreate it
23:16.41FIQ|n900restore rootfs and optfs
23:16.47FIQ|n900mount MyDocs
23:16.54FIQ|n900untar home.tar to ~
23:17.31DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: I'd guess it should not break BM but I'm not sure
23:17.50DocScrutinizer05qwazix: less /etc/osso-af-init/real-af-startup  <- nice read
23:17.50FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: also - that's not everything, e2fsck actually aborted mid-processing
23:18.02FIQ|n900both during fsck and the fsck simulation now
23:18.10FIQ|n900Illegal block number passed to ext2fs_test_block_bitmap #909457187 for multiply claimed block map
23:18.23DocScrutinizer05eeeek
23:18.27FIQ|n900e2fsck: aborted
23:18.55FIQ|n900I don't understand what it's trying to say, but well... it doesn't sound good
23:18.59FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: btw
23:19.38FIQ|n900fsck blamed me for having the partition mounted while doing it - but I immediately proceed to cancel the process and confirm that - it wasn't mounted at all
23:19.54FIQ|n900so I don't understand why it said that..?
23:20.18FIQ|n900("WARNING: BUG IN E2FSCK, OR SOME BONEHEAD (YOU) IS CHECKING A MOUNTED PARTITION"
23:20.20FIQ|n900)
23:20.25FIQ|n900or something like that
23:20.33DocScrutinizer05yeah
23:20.53FIQ|n900also
23:20.54DocScrutinizer05that's a nasty bug in fsck actually
23:21.17FIQ|n900I used bm's root console (which actually worked, didn't do it before) because bm's fsck told me to run fsck manually
23:21.26DocScrutinizer05it sometimes gets inconsistent about whether a fs is mounted or not
23:21.42FIQ|n900oh you've seen it before?
23:21.43DocScrutinizer05I once investigated that but forgot everything I found out
23:21.55FIQ|n900anyway
23:22.02FIQ|n900would the plan described above work?
23:22.36DocScrutinizer05I guess it should, but honestly I don't feel like recommending anything. a bit tired
23:22.42FIQ|n900i.e. erase optfs and recreate and restore older optfs
23:22.54FIQ|n900plus the home.tar
23:23.04FIQ|n900well
23:23.15FIQ|n900it should work fine, unless BM relies on stuff on /opt
23:23.21FIQ|n900obviously maemo wouldn't boot
23:23.27FIQ|n900but BM should
23:23.28DocScrutinizer05as soon as you nuke optfs you will find system in an inoperable state, unless you're in BM
23:23.51DocScrutinizer05BM *should* not rely on any opt stuff
23:23.56FIQ|n900yes but would rebooting make watchdog etc cease to work and break BM?
23:24.04DocScrutinizer05no
23:24.19FIQ|n900I recall restoring a rootfs suited for the wrong kernel earlier
23:24.39FIQ|n900and that broke BM horribly
23:24.44FIQ|n900but that was rootfs, not optfs
23:24.51DocScrutinizer05sure, but that's not opt related
23:25.04FIQ|n900hmm
23:25.24psycho_oreosBM doesn't have any of its own provided files within the installer package residing in /opt.
23:25.27FIQ|n900well how do I recreate the partition then? because I don't know that
23:25.29DocScrutinizer05when BM runs, /opt isn't mounted yet, that's the whole point of BM
23:25.45FIQ|n900I'm willing to try it - after all, there seems to be no other way
23:26.09DocScrutinizer05mkfs should suffice
23:26.26DocScrutinizer05but I dunno how to do that either, except via BM console
23:26.26FIQ|n900mkfs /dev/mmcblk0p2?
23:26.33DocScrutinizer05:nod:
23:26.37FIQ|n900I'm going to use root console
23:26.50FIQ|n900from bm
23:26.59DocScrutinizer05that should work
23:27.09FIQ|n900no other arguments?
23:27.15FIQ|n900just making sure not to mess up
23:27.23FIQ|n900given I cannot check here meanwhile lol
23:28.26psycho_oreosmkfs.ext3 to be a little more specific. In case the MBR tables is a little messed up, also I'd double check with fsck -l
23:28.53FIQ|n900MBR tables? master boot record?
23:28.57FIQ|n900on n900?
23:28.59DocScrutinizer05well, probably you want to add arguments as needed according to man mkfs
23:29.07FIQ|n900well yeah
23:29.52FIQ|n900ok so let's see here
23:30.00FIQ|n900this shouldn't be too hard to just *do*
23:30.08FIQ|n900if it works or not is another ballgame
23:30.12psycho_oreos/dev/mmcblk0p2          884866      950401     2097152  83 Linux
23:30.43FIQ|n900btw DocScrutinizer05 any idea how to get rid of that battery message in the root console?
23:31.04FIQ|n900I found it somewhat annoying during fsck due to being unable to read things properly
23:31.11psycho_oreosRather I　don't know how you describe it, the boot record that contains the tables for a storage medium
23:31.55DocScrutinizer05less /etc/mke2fs.conf
23:33.22qwazixreplacing osso_startup_wizard with a script that does rdate -s after 20s doesn't work
23:33.29qwazixin case anybody was curious
23:34.37DocScrutinizer05not exactly a surprise, qwazix
23:34.38qwazixat least I got rid of the annoying popup
23:34.53qwazixDocScrutinizer05, why?
23:35.02DocScrutinizer05qwazix: less /etc/osso-af-init/real-af-startup  <- nice read
23:36.41DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: I don't know what battery message you talk about
23:36.52FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: ok
23:37.02FIQ|n900another question before I go
23:37.11DocScrutinizer05might be some output of charge21.sh
23:37.16FIQ|n900would restoring only optfs (not rootfs) be a bad idea?
23:37.30DocScrutinizer05err, depends
23:37.48FIQ|n900latest optfs is not very recent
23:37.50DocScrutinizer05if it's consistent with rootfs then I dunno what should go haywire
23:38.38FIQ|n900well my reasoning was that perhaps some applications I've installed since, placed stuff in optfs
23:38.48FIQ|n900while its' state of installed is in rootfs
23:38.53FIQ|n900messing things up
23:38.57DocScrutinizer05yes
23:39.16FIQ|n900if that can happen, I'll have to do a rootfs restoration too
23:39.25DocScrutinizer05this would render such late installed apps broken
23:39.28FIQ|n900and then I need to check yet another thing...
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23:39.48FIQ|n900which rootfs are tied to the correct kernel
23:39.52DocScrutinizer05you either need to do rootfs reflash then, or re-install the broken apps
23:39.57FIQ|n900to prevent something I managed before
23:40.30FIQ|n900(managed to restore a rootfs with vanilla kernel within a powerkernel install)
23:40.43FIQ|n900hmm
23:40.56FIQ|n900no idea how to make sure it's to the right kernel
23:41.06DocScrutinizer05you need to reinstall all apps then anyway, so why not just reinstall those that were installed after opt backup been done?
23:41.28FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: problem is potential apps I forget about
23:41.36FIQ|n900but perhaps that's not actually an issue
23:41.53DocScrutinizer05you can find dtale symlinks to /opt later on
23:41.57DocScrutinizer05stale*
23:41.57FIQ|n900(and perhaps such apps would expose themselves anyway)
23:42.07FIQ|n900mhm
23:42.17FIQ|n900well I guess I'll just restore optfs then
23:42.24FIQ|n900seems easier
23:42.25DocScrutinizer05go ahead
23:42.45FIQ|n900oh, can Maemo handle lack of ~?
23:42.56DocScrutinizer05no, not really
23:42.58FIQ|n900if it can, I'll simply restore home.tar once back into maemo
23:43.05FIQ|n900ah
23:43.16FIQ|n900guess I'll have to restore it on root terminal then
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23:43.26DocScrutinizer05it will recreate user's home if missing, I'd guess
23:43.45FIQ|n900shouldn't be too hard, just wanted to get back to a comfortable environment asap :P
23:43.45DocScrutinizer05but as well might bootloop
23:43.49FIQ|n900oh well
23:43.58FIQ|n900see you
23:44.08DocScrutinizer05good luck
23:44.11FIQ|n900hm wait
23:44.21FIQ|n900will have to read manpage on amemo lol
23:44.24FIQ|n900*maemo
23:44.24FIQ|n900brb
23:44.31qwazixI can not understand how on earth (or any other parallel universe for that matter) reading shell scripts could be nice :P
23:44.47DocScrutinizer05hahaha
23:45.01qwazixbut I see that a startup-wizard.sh is called which I cannot find
23:45.11DocScrutinizer05visit my universe, you'd be surprised
23:45.46FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: would ext4 be a better idea btw? now that I'll need to reformat anyway
23:46.47DocScrutinizer05there is no startup-wizard.sh
23:46.55DocScrutinizer05according to locate
23:47.06DocScrutinizer05weird
23:47.27DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: some claim it is
23:47.39FIQ|n900hmm
23:47.48DocScrutinizer05but no support in stock kernel for that
23:47.59DocScrutinizer05iirc
23:48.10FIQ|n900well I'm running powerkernel
23:48.18FIQ|n900but I guess better safe than sorry
23:48.20DocScrutinizer05then you probably should be fine
23:48.37DocScrutinizer05kerio: was that you who had ext4?
23:48.42FIQ|n900there was a wikipage on how to switch mydocs and ~.. while that's not what I'm doing, perhaps it could tell me a bit what I should do
23:48.44DocScrutinizer05on /home
23:48.56FIQ|n900(i.e. mkfs options)
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23:49.17DocScrutinizer05for mkfs options see what I quoted above
23:49.34DocScrutinizer05less /etc/mke2fs.conf
23:49.35qwazixIf I can find the script that checks if time == 00:00 2000/01/01 and calls osso_startup_wizard it would be awesome
23:49.42FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: ah
23:49.47FIQ|n900will look into it
23:50.17FIQ|n900qwazix: why not just get rid of hildon-welcome? though perhaps that's not what you want to do
23:50.25FIQ|n900did that a while ago
23:51.49DocScrutinizer05./X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard: /usr/bin/osso_startup_wizard 1>&2
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23:52.12DocScrutinizer05qwazix: ^^^
23:53.15DocScrutinizer05if [ ! -e /var/dont_start_suw ]; then
23:53.29DocScrutinizer05:-D
23:53.33qwazixthanks
23:54.05qwazixFIQ|n900, I'm trying to make the N900 get the time automatically from a ntp server if bupbat is down
23:54.22FIQ|n900hm ok
23:54.36FIQ|n900simply uninstalled hildon-welcome
23:54.44FIQ|n900time is configured automatically by SIM
23:54.53qwazixhildon-welcome is irrelevant
23:54.54FIQ|n900faster and more convenient
23:55.02qwazixit's the shaking hands video
23:55.17DocScrutinizer05yep
23:55.29FIQ|n900oh hmm
23:55.40FIQ|n900but I removed that startup thing
23:55.45DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#replace_shaking-hands_video
23:55.52FIQ|n900seems I recall how wrongly though
23:56.13FIQ|n900oh well
23:56.18FIQ|n900let's try fix optfs now
23:56.20FIQ|n900see you
23:56.29DocScrutinizer05you can remove /etc//X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard

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