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| 04:18.52 | shawnjefferson22 | what's the best way to set ownership to user:users on a file in my deb package? postinst script? |
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| 05:29.07 | Macer | hm |
| 05:29.34 | Macer | pondering what the difference is in this (thumb) update heh |
| 05:29.46 | Macer | punches his n900 |
| 05:30.25 | Macer | i wonder if this sociality update works |
| 05:30.40 | freemangordon | Macer: hmm? I remember I wrote a changelog :P |
| 05:30.44 | Macer | i know the one i tried from the last time off the repo wouldnt read the news feed |
| 05:30.51 | Macer | oh.. where is it? |
| 05:30.57 | Macer | sorry... didnt see it |
| 05:31.41 | Macer | no better thumb keyboard heh |
| 05:31.44 | freemangordon | Macer: at least in 2 places - TMO and debian/changelog. You'll see the latter in description tab once you start the update |
| 05:32.08 | Macer | oh. i already updated it |
| 05:32.18 | Macer | let me see if i can find it on tmo |
| 05:33.30 | Macer | too bad thetr is no seype |
| 05:33.39 | Macer | wow that vkb sucks heh |
| 05:33.56 | Macer | but hitting enter in xterm closes and sends now |
| 05:34.02 | Macer | that's kind of neet |
| 05:34.20 | Macer | hm. |
| 05:34.46 | freemangordon | Macer: 13.07.2013 - 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.2+thumb1 |
| 05:34.54 | freemangordon | * packages updated to latest CSSU-testing(21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.2) |
| 05:34.54 | freemangordon | * thumb-compile tracker, hildon, hildon-thumbnailer |
| 05:35.23 | Macer | i see |
| 05:35.49 | Macer | is there a better vkb somewhere? |
| 05:36.03 | freemangordon | Macer: better than? |
| 05:36.07 | Macer | one that doesnt have the dialog box and blurs out the app? ie: real time typing |
| 05:36.22 | Macer | the stock one is awful |
| 05:36.28 | freemangordon | hmm, afaik no |
| 05:36.28 | Macer | especially in portrait |
| 05:36.37 | Macer | ah ok |
| 05:37.08 | Macer | wish maemo had swype so it wasnt always me opening the kb and wearing out the keys |
| 05:37.16 | Macer | or at least a better vkb |
| 05:37.57 | Macer | using the stock one in xterm brings it up, blurs the term, (i guess you can turn that off) then closes |
| 05:38.08 | Macer | instead of simply being able to type on it |
| 05:38.45 | Macer | i was thinking of putting in a feature request for mobilehotspot to support pan |
| 05:39.01 | Macer | heh. that would be awesome. i never did figure out how to get it working :-/ |
| 05:39.14 | Macer | seems overly complicated compared to just turning it on in android |
| 05:41.07 | Macer | ah well... let me update all the pkgs heh |
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| 06:00.06 | Macer | news feed still seems broken in repo sociality |
| 06:00.32 | Macer | but half works in tmo .deb |
| 06:00.38 | freemangordon | Macer: IIRC you have to use the .deb on sociality thread on TMO |
| 06:00.48 | freemangordon | yeah :) |
| 06:01.03 | Macer | yeah |
| 06:01.06 | Macer | how odd |
| 06:01.16 | Macer | you would think the opposite heh |
| 06:01.32 | Macer | sure hope it gets updated |
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| 06:13.45 | Macer | leave it to the linux bcm driver to not support adhoc heh |
| 06:13.56 | Macer | i can't connect to an adhoc hotspot on my dell laptop running mint |
| 06:15.22 | Macer | back to using dun i suppose :) |
| 06:15.29 | Macer | too bad android doesn't support dun :-/ |
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| 09:46.40 | Lava_Croft | haha |
| 09:46.59 | Lava_Croft | MS lost almost a bilion american dollaz on Surace RT this *quarter* |
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| 10:08.34 | teotwaki | Lava_Croft: link? |
| 10:20.59 | Lava_Croft | http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/18/4535976/microsoft-lost-900-million-on-surface-rt |
| 10:22.36 | Lava_Croft | mind you, MS taking a huge loss over HW isnt exactly special |
| 10:22.47 | Lava_Croft | they did it for the Xbox too, but at least the Xbox was a good product |
| 10:23.03 | Lava_Croft | SurfaceRT will not get anywhere |
| 10:23.25 | Lava_Croft | my brother has been a windows phone lover from the start, but even he gave up |
| 10:23.34 | Lava_Croft | he also owns SurfaceRT, worst product ever |
| 10:23.49 | Lava_Croft | nexus7 is a deception, but goddamn surfaceRT |
| 10:24.12 | Lava_Croft | also, http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2013/07/android_vs_iphone_why_apple_still_has_the_edge_over_google_s_operating_system.single.html |
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| 10:34.50 | SpeedEvil | A writedown isn't quite a loss. |
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| 10:35.32 | SpeedEvil | If you have inventory set to sell at 500, which cost you 350 to make, writing it down to 400 is a paper $100 loss - but you still profit by $50 if you sell it |
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| 10:59.34 | Lava_Croft | Does anyone know what the 'standard' procedure is for getting ovi maps on the n900, in 2013:P |
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| 11:21.50 | amin007110 | Lava_Croft, in 2012 i got them through Nokia Suite in M$! Haven't tried recently :D |
| 11:22.10 | Lava_Croft | that doesnt work anymore:< |
| 11:22.29 | Lava_Croft | thats how i used to do it too |
| 11:22.31 | amin007110 | :| |
| 11:22.56 | Lava_Croft | marble works ok tho, but its just that i kind of got attached to using that shit nokia mapping app :) |
| 11:23.16 | amin007110 | Is porting from another nokia devices possible? Such as symbian ones! |
| 11:23.32 | Lava_Croft | no clue |
| 11:23.44 | Lava_Croft | n9 has a fairly decent app too |
| 11:23.56 | Lava_Croft | there i just had it update the maps:) |
| 11:24.46 | amin007110 | I think data files and folders are the same in various nokia products. |
| 11:25.04 | amin007110 | I guess actually. |
| 11:25.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I *think* ovimaps works still as usual for me |
| 11:26.10 | amin007110 | Also updating? DocScrutinizer05 ! |
| 11:26.18 | Lava_Croft | or installing maps to begin with |
| 11:27.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm searching and finding and displaying $random location. So everything usual |
| 11:27.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | as usual |
| 11:27.55 | Lava_Croft | yes, that still works |
| 11:28.03 | Lava_Croft | i wasnt saying the application stopped functioning:) |
| 11:29.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that searching is online function, and $random-location above implied I had no cached data for it |
| 11:29.52 | Lava_Croft | and you want to download the Germany maps that way? |
| 11:30.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 11:30.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | why would I want to do that? |
| 11:30.50 | amin007110 | offline use |
| 11:35.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | since offline use gives away extremely expensive data (navtech map) without earning anything in turn, I guess Wokia has taken active measures to forbid it |
| 11:36.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | downloading and caching of small areas still offers some info you pay with for that navteq map data |
| 11:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly that you're probably in this region, or at least looking at it |
| 11:37.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | giving away whole countries' map data for free via download is a net loss for Nokia |
| 11:37.50 | Lava_Croft | you can still get the entire countries via direct links |
| 11:37.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few years afo a CD with that data was ~150EUR |
| 11:38.44 | amin007110 | well, sometimes we have no access to a reliable data plan or speed is down or something. |
| 11:39.04 | amin007110 | From the Nokia Side, yes. but from our side :D |
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| 11:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<amin007110> Also updating? DocScrutinizer05 !)) I literally never touched nokiasuite. So NFC. Inside ovimaps app I don't see any explicit download/update function |
| 11:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* Nokia discontinued Nokiasuite |
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| 12:07.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno how smart ovimaps-fremantle acts. If it's smarter than I think it is, then it downloads all tiles needed for a route you calculated online anyway |
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| 12:08.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and sure, I guess it's been inevitable that Nokia implements some leecher-filters to stop arbitrary non-Nokia-customers to download whole navteq database for free |
| 12:09.07 | amin007110 | Hmmmm... |
| 12:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so whatever they did (throttling, obfuscating, check for client/browser-ID), you should expect to see some problems trying to download whole continents' map-data |
| 12:11.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | SPI can go a long way to take care about that, server side |
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| 13:58.44 | Lava_Croft | ill try poking at the latest map data |
| 13:58.57 | Lava_Croft | see if direct downloading and installing them by hand still works for the maemo5 maps app |
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| 15:37.48 | fw190 | morning |
| 15:38.12 | fw190 | any news from the new Board? |
| 15:38.25 | win7mac | good morning;) |
| 15:38.43 | fw190 | I mean is there something an ex candidate could help with |
| 15:38.45 | fw190 | ;) |
| 15:41.51 | win7mac | thanks for the offer. Here's the meeting minutes from 1st new board-(handover-)meeting: http://hildonfoundation.org/board-minutes-for-meeting-on-july-16th-2013-1909-utc/ |
| 15:44.52 | win7mac | OFC you can always come up with ideas and suggestions, not sure what to help with right now though |
| 15:45.20 | fw190 | nice |
| 15:45.38 | fw190 | a state when help is not needed is good as it means everything runs smooth |
| 15:45.46 | fw190 | which means you all nedd a raise ;) |
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| 16:45.23 | GeneralAntilles | http://twitter.com/MichaelClewley/status/358262538271596544 |
| 16:45.27 | GeneralAntilles | What a moron. |
| 16:46.15 | thedead1440 | lol |
| 16:46.57 | thedead1440 | typical BB/iOS/WP reps... |
| 16:47.43 | GeneralAntilles | If anybody else wants to (politely) chime in. |
| 16:48.55 | win7mac | hey thedead1440, how's your N9? - there's no progress on tweak flash version so far :( |
| 16:49.19 | thedead1440 | win7mac: no progress on my n9 too :( |
| 16:49.25 | thedead1440 | s/n9/n9s/ |
| 16:51.18 | ecc3g | <- no twitter account, else Clewley has no clew... |
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| 16:53.55 | win7mac | :/ |
| 16:56.04 | GeneralAntilles | http://twitter.com/MichaelClewley/status/358267885866590209 |
| 16:56.06 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 16:58.10 | thedead1440 | haha |
| 16:58.34 | thedead1440 | no wonder bb10 is sinking with product managers like him... |
| 16:59.13 | ecc3g | wow. |
| 17:00.44 | GeneralAntilles | ecc3g, I've gotten useful help and responses out of him before, so nobody needs to tear him a new one. |
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| 17:02.19 | ecc3g | ah okay. I still can't believe he thinks plaintext mails have no use... |
| 17:04.08 | ecc3g | checks modest... "New message format: Plain text" ahhh... |
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| 17:07.31 | GeneralAntilles | http://twitter.com/MichaelClewley/status/358269611508105217 |
| 17:07.50 | GeneralAntilles | There's a Princess Bride quote that applies here. |
| 17:08.08 | ecc3g | oh...kay... /facepalm |
| 17:09.33 | ecc3g | technically speaking, if he as talking about html/rtf mail being "proprietary"... still doesn't solve the problem at hand though. |
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| 17:57.16 | Sicelo | maybe someonr will find this very useful :) |
| 17:57.21 | Sicelo | http://elektranox.org/n900/adapter/index.html |
| 17:57.33 | Sicelo | serial adapter for use on N900 |
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| 18:23.37 | Pali | it is possible to flash phone via serial adapter? |
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| 18:28.06 | Sicelo | i don't know Pali.. but I thought this adapter would be of great use to you especially, freemangordon too ;) |
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| 19:01.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130719_002.jpg |
| 19:01.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ff |
| 19:03.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas fbus. would need minor mech rework for UART |
| 19:05.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: basically yes |
| 19:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | coldflash/ROMBL |
| 19:05.56 | Sicelo | looks nice DocScrutinizer05. why you never shared before? |
| 19:05.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | donno about NOLO |
| 19:06.01 | Sicelo | kicks DocScrutinizer05 |
| 19:06.02 | Sicelo | :D |
| 19:06.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I did |
| 19:06.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | search tmo |
| 19:06.32 | Sicelo | hmm, will look |
| 19:07.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually ovishare gone down and took those photos with it |
| 19:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | a severe flaw of our forum software |
| 19:08.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | those embedded photos inevitably render a form/tmo post bitrotten to oblivion eventually |
| 19:08.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | forum* |
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| 19:09.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I haven't completely figured yet how to attach photos instead of link them from other website |
| 19:10.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway that critter been so dirt cheap, I couldn't resist but had to order one |
| 19:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4.95 iirc |
| 19:11.49 | Sicelo | critter? you mean the adapter? |
| 19:13.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, I already mentioned it a few times, but here again: I got some 20+ bupbat coin 0.06F capacitors, to replace that PR414 or whatever backup battery |
| 19:13.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | available for 3bucks per coin |
| 19:13.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | (yes, the adapter) |
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| 19:14.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bupbat |
| 19:14.08 | infobot | rumour has it, bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN |
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| 19:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm gonna get ripped, so f***, you clowns!" |
| 19:18.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Then she gave us the finger, it was rigid and stiff |
| 19:18.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | That's when the devil, he farted |
| 19:18.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and she went right over the cliff! |
| 19:18.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW, cya |
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| 19:23.46 | ecc3g | woah... how long have I been sleeping, 1KF capacitors are available... |
| 19:25.21 | ecc3g | or are they really available... |
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| 19:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'd bet on that |
| 19:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I even think I've seen them surplus |
| 19:49.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | for <100 bucks a piece |
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