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| 05:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-17 06:19:56] <DrCode> I had to chose game in internet connect |
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| 05:55.58 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: most probably he meant the apn he had to choose for 3G had the name "game" |
| 05:56.15 | thedead1440 | a telco misnomer probably ;) |
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| 06:06.15 | DrCode | ok |
| 06:06.17 | DrCode | ye |
| 06:06.19 | DrCode | yes, it work now |
| 06:06.25 | DrCode | If I want to had msn messanger in im connect |
| 06:06.37 | DrCode | what shuld I install? |
| 06:06.41 | DrCode | dose it use pidgin? |
| 06:07.11 | DrCode | sorry if I ask , I am new in maemo |
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| 06:17.54 | japa-fi | not that I have experience with pidgin on N900, but I've used it on my PC some years ago to replace msn messenger. I'd say go for it |
| 06:23.00 | DrCode | ok |
| 06:23.12 | DrCode | the im connect uses pidgin? |
| 06:23.17 | DrCode | or its internly? |
| 06:31.06 | amin007110 | Drathir, you should just install msn plugin to connect. haze or pecan. |
| 06:31.12 | amin007110 | DrCode, |
| 06:31.15 | amin007110 | sorry |
| 06:33.30 | DrCode | wow |
| 06:33.32 | DrCode | ok |
| 06:33.38 | amin007110 | remembers when phones were stupid and people were smart! Good times... |
| 06:33.40 | DrCode | apr-get install ? |
| 06:33.52 | DrCode | can u please point me what to install? |
| 06:35.59 | amin007110 | account-plugin-butterfly and/or telepathy-msn-pecan |
| 06:36.19 | DrCode | ok |
| 06:36.21 | DrCode | thankyou |
| 06:36.34 | amin007110 | also "aMSN" is available |
| 06:39.20 | DrCode | I realy love maemo, I had android before |
| 06:39.20 | DrCode | its much better |
| 06:39.42 | DrCode | I don't understand why nokie |
| 06:40.27 | psycho_oreos | amin007110 remembers when phones were stupid and people were smart! Good times... <--- Doesn't that always happen with technology? as our machines gets more intelligent, we end up turning a blind eye towards things :) |
| 06:42.05 | amin007110 | psycho_oreos, Yes. |
| 06:43.59 | psycho_oreos | recalls one of Albert Einstein's quote: "It has become appaulingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity." |
| 06:46.18 | amin007110 | :) |
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| 07:36.59 | DrCode | hi all |
| 07:37.11 | DrCode | I want to flash n900 |
| 07:37.33 | DrCode | I don't see emmc vanila with pr1.3 |
| 07:37.35 | DrCode | only 1.2? |
| 07:37.58 | DrCode | do I need to flash emmc and then combind for last ver? |
| 07:38.18 | thedead1440 | yeah just use that emmc vanilla (eMMC content 10.2010.13-2); its fine... |
| 07:38.41 | DrCode | ok |
| 07:38.44 | Lava_Croft | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 07:38.49 | Lava_Croft | follow the guide there:) |
| 07:38.49 | DrCode | and then I use combind flash? |
| 07:38.58 | Lava_Croft | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 |
| 07:39.12 | Lava_Croft | that part describes flashing everything back to factory defaults |
| 07:39.18 | DrCode | I don't know if to run combind middle east or global |
| 07:39.26 | Lava_Croft | always go for global:) |
| 07:39.43 | Lava_Croft | read that last link carefully! :) |
| 07:40.05 | Lava_Croft | it's a simple process to do, but also simple to screw up |
| 07:41.03 | DrCode | the rootfs , I run on n900 itself |
| 07:41.23 | DrCode | so I use windows only for flash vanila via usb? |
| 07:41.52 | Lava_Croft | you can use whatever OS you desire |
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| 07:42.31 | DrCode | the rootfs , I run like the vanila? |
| 07:42.35 | DrCode | via usb? |
| 07:42.41 | Lava_Croft | read the links i gave you |
| 07:42.52 | Lava_Croft | everything is explained there in clear and not too difficult english :) |
| 07:42.57 | DrCode | ok |
| 07:43.03 | DrCode | thankyou |
| 07:43.10 | Lava_Croft | no problem, good luck! |
| 07:43.28 | DrCode | the middle east will give me arabic and hebrew support? |
| 07:43.38 | Lava_Croft | no clue, probably |
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| 07:44.31 | DrCode | or better to go with global |
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| 07:53.23 | amin007110 | DrCode, you can install any language support over global. no worry. |
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| 08:24.24 | japa-fi | DrCode, for flashing, I just followed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O54KdLvTA2U |
| 08:25.11 | japa-fi | It's nice as he shows the computer screen _and_ N900. You can see when to connect the thing, when to push U, what to expect to happen at what point |
| 08:37.19 | SAiF | full battery charge is anther important thing or it may fail at 20% or so. |
| 08:37.37 | Lava_Croft | it works fine with a 50% charged battery |
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| 08:45.05 | psycho_oreos | Ideally its good to keep N900 fully charged as flashing severely drains the battery, last thing you want is to gamble on luck between a bricked device and a fully functioning device. |
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| 09:26.18 | Lava_Croft | except its just nonsense to say you need 100% |
| 09:26.32 | Lava_Croft | that only really applies if you screw up flashing and need to flash about 50 times |
| 09:27.08 | Lava_Croft | might as well say you need a backup diesel engine in case the power dies |
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| 10:22.44 | DrCode | I can't connect to msn messanger |
| 10:22.50 | DrCode | any idea? |
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| 11:16.46 | psycho_oreos | Then again, nothing wrong with suggesting to have full charge instead :) |
| 11:17.06 | psycho_oreos | Checked the logs? tried another plugin/program? |
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| 11:36.45 | amin007110 | Do original Nokia repositories have any mirror? |
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| 11:42.52 | psycho_oreos | Doubt it. |
| 11:46.12 | psycho_oreos | At least not official mirrors. I think a few of us (within maemo) community may have private copies of it though. |
| 11:46.36 | kerio | i think they're mirrored on skeiron |
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| 11:47.06 | amin007110 | I meant officials. |
| 11:47.17 | kerio | i doubt nokia knows what a repository is |
| 11:47.27 | amin007110 | lol |
| 11:48.04 | DrCode | hi all |
| 11:48.06 | DrCode | I have install msn messanger , I can't connect to msn |
| 11:48.08 | DrCode | any idea? |
| 11:48.35 | psycho_oreos | nokia probably no longer cares to know what a repository is anyway :). |
| 11:48.52 | psycho_oreos | DrCode, Checked the logs? tried another plugin/program? |
| 11:49.20 | amin007110 | But it seems skeiron have not updated since 26 Dec. |
| 11:49.26 | amin007110 | Hmmmm...? |
| 11:50.21 | psycho_oreos | Any copy is better than none, no> |
| 11:50.27 | psycho_oreos | s/>/?/ |
| 11:50.43 | amin007110 | DrCode, also check msn login webpage for any restrictions that may have applied. |
| 11:51.04 | DrCode | ok |
| 11:51.14 | DrCode | the plugin need to work? |
| 11:51.20 | amin007110 | psycho_oreos, Of Course. |
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| 11:52.33 | psycho_oreos | That's being pretty vague DrCode |
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| 11:53.37 | DrCode | I am using account-plugin-butterfly |
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| 12:35.45 | psycho_oreos | Have you tried pecan? have you tried haze? have you tried using pidgin or even amsn? |
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| 13:18.34 | Drathir | Lava_Croft: better always have new phone charged to full, because isnt good known in behaviours... |
| 13:19.04 | Lava_Croft | nonsense without any arguments beyond "i heard/i read/jesus told me" |
| 13:30.00 | Drathir | not really if battery is broken... |
| 13:31.04 | Lava_Croft | broken batter is a non-standard situation |
| 13:31.38 | Lava_Croft | a sufficiently broken battery also wont cut it:) |
| 13:31.48 | Lava_Croft | (yes, i understand the need of 'being safe') |
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| 14:23.49 | amin007110 | is thinking about "Does anyone else have a plastic bag full of other plastic bags somewhere in their house or is it just me?" |
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| 14:26.54 | t0k3l1 | hey :) |
| 14:27.16 | t0k3l1 | i would like to ask are there new machine that use maemo? |
| 14:27.20 | t0k3l1 | or last was n900? |
| 14:27.23 | t0k3l1 | from nokia |
| 14:27.31 | psycho_oreos | has some fancy container for other plastic bags (which are tied up). The purpose of these other bags are mainly for reuse as rubbish bin liners. |
| 14:28.05 | psycho_oreos | There's no new maemo. Apart from meego which had n9{50}, those were it from nokia. |
| 14:28.17 | t0k3l1 | thanks! |
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| 14:29.02 | psycho_oreos | nokia chose to abandon the maemo project, if you haven't read the news about nokia signing a deal with microsoft which happened ages ago. |
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| 14:31.59 | t0k3l1 | i have |
| 14:32.06 | t0k3l1 | but i was hoping for new hardware |
| 14:32.13 | t0k3l1 | yet using n900 :) |
| 14:32.23 | t0k3l1 | and was hoping for new machine :) |
| 14:32.37 | t0k3l1 | okey, thank you! hope for new future for maemo project! :) |
| 14:32.43 | t0k3l1 | good luck folks! |
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| 14:51.16 | teotwaki | that's cute. |
| 14:51.43 | teotwaki | amin007110: yeah, same here. |
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| 15:01.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | (([2013-07-17 11:26:18] <Lava_Croft> except its just nonsense to say you need 100%)) how many users _you_ talked thru alien charging their battery after they messed a day with flashing? |
| 15:01.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | OK, then please shut up |
| 15:02.07 | Lava_Croft | chuckles at the excited nerd |
| 15:06.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit that most cases of low battery and thus flashing failing were caused by fux0red rootfs which did not charge at all to begin with |
| 15:07.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | let me put it this way: any other instruction was way more complicated to transport and to follow |
| 15:08.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>use lshal|grep batter-voltage and see if voltage is >3860mV<<??? |
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| 15:10.11 | psycho_oreos | You have to "dumb" things down for those who don't want to know there are alternative choices. By complicating them with the myriad of things that could go wrong they'll end up worrying I suppose. |
| 15:11.39 | psycho_oreos | Besides, the remaining maemo users are really those that knows their stuff, except for a few new ones here and there. |
| 15:11.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>smoking and fire at gasstation forbidden in distance less than 2,5m from your own as well as other cars, during filling in gasoline<< ?? |
| 15:13.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | NO WAY, >>NO SMOKING! NO FIRE!<< period |
| 15:13.08 | psycho_oreos | That is some really broken English lol. |
| 15:13.37 | Lava_Croft | i just smoke while filling up my car |
| 15:13.58 | Lava_Croft | chances are higher some asshole parks his car in mine |
| 15:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you're free to flash your N900 while connected battery inputs to 230V |
| 15:15.35 | amin007110 | is thinking about adding "NO SMOKING" to the channel topic. HeHe :D |
| 15:16.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | just lighted his morning coffee cigarette |
| 15:16.51 | psycho_oreos | "Here lies the beloved N900, fried due to human stupidity." :( lol |
| 15:18.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: of course you're right |
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| 15:19.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | both with flashing and gas station. But lusers are better in following crisp terse black&white instructions |
| 15:19.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | best in ALL UPPERCASE |
| 15:20.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | they tend to ignore and thus learn by their own anyway |
| 15:20.43 | psycho_oreos | Thankfully its pretty hard to brick N900 :) |
| 15:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
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| 15:23.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: and there been actually gasheads that tried to check filling of their 5L plastic reserve tank by holing a lighter to it to see how high gasoline inside is |
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| 15:27.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | there also been actuall fires at normal tanking, not caused by smoking but first of all by an ancient fuel nozzle that didn't suck away the gas/vapor coming out of the tank, and then the lady had nylon clothes and first thing she touched after leaving the car and rubbing to the mohair seat been exactly that nozzle surrounded by a huge gas cloud. Then of course in panic she removed the nozzle from her car's tank *without closing it* |
| 15:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | rest is splatter movie |
| 15:30.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: if you close it, the fire stops almost immediately, right? |
| 15:30.30 | kerio | there's no oxygen coming in |
| 15:30.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | right |
| 15:30.39 | psycho_oreos | imagines some taliban is probably listening to this ;) |
| 15:31.08 | amin007110 | lol |
| 15:31.45 | kerio | everything is possible |
| 15:31.56 | kerio | but combining irssi and speex doesn't sound like a particularly good idea |
| 15:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | errwut? irssi and speex? |
| 15:32.33 | kerio | to listen to this |
| 15:32.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh |
| 15:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | espeak |
| 15:33.01 | kerio | oh right |
| 15:33.08 | kerio | well |
| 15:33.14 | kerio | you might as well compress it with speex |
| 15:33.21 | kerio | it's a human-y voice |
| 15:33.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but that still earns you spam k-line |
| 15:34.27 | kerio | aw, i can't send a NUL with xchat apparently |
| 15:34.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | bitrate of speex is still in the range of 5kbps iirc |
| 15:34.32 | kerio | or, rather, i can't type a NUL in os x |
| 15:35.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | bin2hex |
| 15:35.15 | kerio | *base64 |
| 15:35.21 | kerio | but no, i wanted to type an actual NUL |
| 15:35.23 | jaska | ascii85? |
| 15:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, better but still k-line |
| 15:35.33 | kerio | i wonder how IRC handles them |
| 15:35.43 | kerio | jaska: irc doesn't have to be ascii printable |
| 15:35.52 | psycho_oreos | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.56 | kerio | for instance, ☃ |
| 15:35.58 | jaska | well, i guess you could just escape nuls and linefeeds |
| 15:36.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you *might get away with 7to8 and escaped special bytes |
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| 15:40.31 | amin007110 | is Erasing CMT. No Smoking Please :D |
| 15:51.26 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: lit. |
| 15:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi teotwaki :-) |
| 15:52.35 | teotwaki | heya |
| 15:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | my grumpiness suffers when you're around so rarely :-D |
| 15:53.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I seem to have turned into a sissi during last year or so |
| 15:54.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | but might as well be related to this damn council job |
| 15:54.29 | teotwaki | how so? You changed? |
| 15:54.33 | teotwaki | didn't notice. |
| 15:54.39 | teotwaki | :) |
| 15:54.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I didn't kick anybody the whole year |
| 15:54.59 | teotwaki | not true |
| 15:55.37 | teotwaki | The german or polak, Estel_, or whatever country his passport bears. |
| 15:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tried a few times, but they already left channel when I was ready ;-P |
| 15:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohyeah |
| 15:56.07 | teotwaki | getting rusty :) |
| 15:56.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's life at your end? |
| 15:57.17 | teotwaki | going well :) |
| 15:57.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | pleased to hear that |
| 15:57.26 | teotwaki | iz an architect nao. |
| 15:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | sw architect I hope |
| 15:57.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | or at least network |
| 15:57.52 | teotwaki | sw |
| 15:57.55 | teotwaki | obviously. |
| 15:57.58 | teotwaki | I draw like shit. |
| 15:58.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 15:58.21 | jaska | i want to strangle the architect who drew my work offices <.< |
| 15:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | needs a second coffee |
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| 16:01.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | another |
| 16:01.52 | amin007110 | is running away to save his life from being strangled when saw discussion get into architecture (almost building architecture)! |
| 16:02.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | should learn to talk COBOL or maybe VB |
| 16:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: so no more coding monkey business? |
| 16:04.13 | teotwaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.22 | teotwaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.24 | teotwaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.26 | teotwaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.28 | teotwaki | I'll let you guess? |
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| 16:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 16:05.39 | jaska | if the $_queues comes from a bad source?:) |
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| 16:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is that? perl? java? |
| 16:06.27 | teotwaki | lol |
| 16:06.29 | teotwaki | I wish |
| 16:06.30 | jaska | php i guess |
| 16:06.31 | teotwaki | PHP. |
| 16:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, I forgot. Right |
| 16:06.42 | jaska | looks ugly enough to be perl.. but worse, so its php |
| 16:06.43 | teotwaki | jaska: can't come from a bad source. |
| 16:07.16 | teotwaki | also, all the _sql functions clean everything up. |
| 16:07.36 | jaska | ah, im just in the habit of binding anything i can |
| 16:08.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh right, I had a few "issues" in our voting interface that need urgent inspection |
| 16:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | PHP5 line 90: index invalid |
| 16:08.21 | jaska | never did more than 1 line of php |
| 16:08.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: could you look into this? |
| 16:09.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | is PHP particularly prone to exploits? |
| 16:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'd guess it is |
| 16:09.55 | jaska | depends on the coder |
| 16:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, as usual |
| 16:10.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | but still e.g. pascal is less prone to buffer overflows that c |
| 16:10.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | than* |
| 16:10.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I guess PHP is particularly prone to exploits via malformed HTTP GET |
| 16:11.01 | teotwaki | PHP is shitfuckstupid language |
| 16:11.10 | teotwaki | no, not at all Doc |
| 16:11.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, good |
| 16:11.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 16:12.21 | jaska | ahh, they removed register_globals :D |
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| 16:12.34 | teotwaki | The worst part about PHP is how every nonplussed dumb fuck who hasn't taken the time to learn something else than PHP feels empowered and knowledgeable enough to call PHP the best language in the world and get all sanctimonious and religious about it. |
| 16:13.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd tend to accept that as proven |
| 16:13.34 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 16:13.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | that drawer of mine is labeled "web programmers" |
| 16:13.57 | kerio | php is hardly a programming language |
| 16:14.20 | freemangordon | kerum: well, that is arguable IMO |
| 16:14.35 | freemangordon | kerio: ^^^ |
| 16:14.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has a biohazard sticker too |
| 16:14.49 | teotwaki | http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ |
| 16:14.57 | kerio | php 5.4.0 shipped with 82 FAILING tests in the testsuite |
| 16:15.02 | teotwaki | probably one of the best analyses of PHP. |
| 16:15.09 | kerio | teotwaki: http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/ |
| 16:15.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | only 82? \o/ |
| 16:15.46 | kerio | just reading off the current home page for that subreddit... |
| 16:15.54 | kerio | NULL can't be decremented but it can be incremented |
| 16:16.05 | kerio | assignment has priority over boolean operators |
| 16:16.16 | kerio | the Singapore timezone doesn't work |
| 16:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaa NULL++ = 2 * NULL |
| 16:16.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 16:16.52 | teotwaki | My favourite: "foo" == true, and "foo" == 0... however, 0 != true |
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| 16:17.56 | teotwaki | that shit ain't normal, but in PHP it is. |
| 16:17.59 | teotwaki | Meth: Not even once. |
| 16:18.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o\ \o/ /o/ /o\<CLAPP> \o/ /o\<CLAPP> \o/ /o\<CLAPP> \o/ |
| 16:18.08 | kerio | infinite loops sometimes segfault |
| 16:18.40 | jaska | null can be incremented |
| 16:18.43 | jaska | im rolling on the floor |
| 16:19.46 | kerio | Datetime::add returns the DateTime object so you can chain adds |
| 16:19.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: feels like moving far end of a wormhole thru void space, no? ;-P |
| 16:19.50 | kerio | but it returns FALSE on failure |
| 16:20.01 | kerio | and you can't trycatch it because it's a fatal error |
| 16:20.13 | jaska | with unicorns puking rainbows |
| 16:20.28 | kerio | +"str" is 0, and so is -"str" |
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| 16:21.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you wonder why we're doomed at techstaff? |
| 16:21.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | whole maemo infra basing 80% on PHP crap |
| 16:22.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, on midgard plugins for PHP |
| 16:22.08 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://www.decontextualize.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/php-loose-comparisons.png |
| 16:22.22 | kerio | at least it's symmetrical |
| 16:22.40 | kerio | but it's not transitive :( |
| 16:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | already feels nausea even without looking at random .png |
| 16:23.06 | kerio | it's the table for == |
| 16:23.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | prefers looking at goatse |
| 16:23.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 16:23.32 | kerio | hahahaha, fgetcsv() and fputcsv() were added in the same php version |
| 16:23.36 | kerio | and they're incompatible with each other |
| 16:23.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL |
| 16:25.04 | kerio | fgetcsv() parses \" as " |
| 16:25.09 | kerio | fputcsv() uses quote doubling |
| 16:25.25 | kerio | with no backslashes |
| 16:25.25 | jaska | pputcsv |
| 16:25.31 | jaska | ... |
| 16:27.38 | kerio | string strstr ( string $haystack , mixed $needle [, bool $before_needle = false ] ) |
| 16:27.47 | kerio | oh come on this has to be intentional |
| 16:33.04 | kerio | Calling dba_nextkey() on a dbm object before calling dba_firstkey() on it causes a segfault. |
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| 16:45.20 | amin007110 | believes that two things define you. Your patience when you have nothing, and your attitude when you have everything. :) |
| 16:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFLBUHAAAAMUHAAAHAAA @ >> @fopen('http://example.com/not-existing-file', 'r');<< in http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ |
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| 16:49.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | this one paragraph alone should be enough to detect php as malware in any spamchecker and antivir program |
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| 16:51.04 | NIN101 | to be fair, this is configuration dependent (not defending php in general :P). |
| 16:51.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101: that's exactly what this paragraph is bashing, along with non-defined error behaviour |
| 16:52.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's defined: "it doesn't work" |
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| 16:56.05 | ecc3g | ok. now i'm convinced, php==/facepalm |
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| 17:16.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | priceless!! >>PHP’s parser refers to e.g. :: internally as T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM<< |
| 17:17.30 | kerio | i shouldn't've linked /r/lolphp to doc |
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| 17:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | BWAHAHAgaspHAcough >>0x0+2 produces 4. The parser considers the 2 as both part of the hex literal and a separate decimal literal, treating this as 0x002 + 2. 0x0+0x2 displays the same problem. Strangely, 0x0 +2 is still 4, but 0x0+ 2 is correctly 2. (This is fixed in PHP 5.4. But it’s also re-broken in PHP 5.4, with the new 0b literal prefix: 0b0+1 produces 2.)<< |
| 17:48.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | now this is real porn for sarcastic old grumpy men who know about their 40 years of reading code |
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| 17:49.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and about idiots from high school who think they know how to write programming languages |
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| 17:58.23 | Woody14619 | DocScrutinizer05, Look into what exactly? (from: <DocScrutinizer05> Woody14619: could you look into this? ) |
| 17:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | index error in line 90 in vote.php |
| 17:59.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | somewhere in foo/bar/*error*.log |
| 17:59.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly maemo_html_error.log |
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| 18:00.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody probably tried to bruteforce with wrong vote indexes or tsth |
| 18:00.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth |
| 18:00.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd just like somebody with a clue have a look at it, so we don't run into another vulnerability |
| 18:01.02 | Woody14619 | Very likely (may have even been me, frankly...) Not a huge issue, but will look at it and put a check in next chance I get. |
| 18:01.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 18:01.39 | Woody14619 | Mailing myself so I don't drop it now. ;) |
| 18:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | there been like several 100s of identical error lines / second in logs |
| 18:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that we wouldn't have same problem of spamming by bogus error lines by that "can't write to object" |
| 18:02.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I checked that and considered it nothing worse than an annoyance |
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| 19:45.12 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer51: is there any particular JTAG cable you would recommend for best free software compatbility/drivers/support? |
| 19:46.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, nope |
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| 20:03.32 | Sicelo | hmm, Luke-Jr :) |
| 20:03.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | RT-AC66U, RT-N66U, RT-AC56U, RT-N56U, RT-N14U, RT-N16 of ASUS vulnerable |
| 20:04.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | (routers) |
| 20:04.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | deactivate AiCloud |
| 20:06.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | windows media player cross-site vulnerability: http://privatepaste.com/6b9dc7ef91 |
| 20:06.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for gernam language |
| 20:06.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | German even |
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| 20:22.42 | brolin_empey | needs a hexadecimal file editor for Maemo 5 but he cannot install the hexedit package because the package file is not found in the APT repository. |
| 20:28.57 | Lava_Croft | there's something named bless |
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| 20:34.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 20:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: maybe try mc? |
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| 20:35.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | mc is pretty comprehensive |
| 20:35.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | incl hex-edit I'd guess |
| 20:37.06 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: I tried mcedit but I could not find a way to switch to hexadecimal mode. |
| 20:37.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | err dang, mc has no hexedit??? |
| 20:37.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, just doing same |
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| 20:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/2003-May/msg00003.html |
| 20:44.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a nutshell: F3, F4, F2 |
| 20:44.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | F3 to view file, F4 to hex, F2 to enable editing |
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| 20:45.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | works on N900 |
| 20:45.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: ^^^ |
| 20:46.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 20:49.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/17/plasma-desktopCz3743.png |
| 20:51.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | (all of above in mc, not mcedit) |
| 20:53.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | to create a new file you probably first need to create *something* you can view with F3, prior to switching to hex (F4) and then edit (F2). directly opeing new file with shift-F2 will obviously fail to offer hexedit mode |
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| 20:54.38 | Sicelo | what is F4 on N900? ;) |
| 20:54.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | esc 4 |
| 20:55.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 20:55.39 | Sicelo | by default? or you hafta remap keyboard? |
| 20:55.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | gets tricky with F11 |
| 20:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | by default |
| 20:55.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | F10 == esc 0 |
| 20:56.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually by readln() |
| 20:56.42 | Sicelo | i did see those before somewhere, but they don't appear to work in htop at least |
| 20:56.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess |
| 20:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 20:58.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, htop doesn't work |
| 21:01.00 | Sicelo | will try it on others |
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| 21:01.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's some weird semi-standard |
| 21:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | as on some level of input stack F1 is sth like ESC~1 |
| 21:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | but timing is relevant |
| 21:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | X11 then translates this to "F11" |
| 21:03.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it probably depends on the input mode the program uses |
| 21:03.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | disclaimer: all of the last few lines is wild guessing |
| 21:04.05 | Sicelo | ;) |
| 21:04.25 | Sicelo | i did remap my keyboard for the Function keys though |
| 21:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure the better way |
| 21:05.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly never really realized since most of the time I access N900 via ssh and proper 114key kbd on PC |
| 21:05.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | usefulness of htop on N900 screen is limited anyway |
| 21:06.15 | Sicelo | yeah. well for me it's the other way round.. i access almost everything on N900 |
| 21:06.31 | Sicelo | limited? well, i find it very useful |
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| 21:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, it's too cluttered |
| 21:07.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | for particular tasks like killing a process you first want to spot which one, it's sure great |
| 21:09.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | doing proper key-remapping is on my todo list nevertheless (since years) |
| 21:10.37 | Sicelo | vi created a really nice one. i just edited a few parts of it |
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| 21:16.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and I have to admit I probably dunno where to find it |
| 21:16.52 | Sicelo | wiki .. i can lookup the url . |
| 21:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen vi_ |
| 21:17.12 | infobot | vi_ <~vi_@87.19.113.87.dyn.plus.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 113d 21h 57m 13s ago, saying: '~smite infobot'. |
| 21:17.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen vi__ |
| 21:17.13 | infobot | vi__ <~Thunderbi@proxy.ei-info.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19d 6h 53m 5s ago, saying: 'Lava_Croft: It is Friday. Have a beer.'. |
| 21:18.42 | Sicelo | ha! |
| 21:18.43 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: any idea what voltage(s) the OpenMoko debug board JTAG will work at? or if it's still available to buy anywhere? |
| 21:19.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | check goldelico and pulster. Voltage should be pretty standard |
| 21:19.22 | Luke-Jr | there is no standard AFAIK :| |
| 21:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | however check schematics |
| 21:19.37 | Luke-Jr | I don't comprehend schematics |
| 21:19.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 21:19.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | so lemme have a look |
| 21:19.58 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping |
| 21:20.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | tnx |
| 21:20.25 | Sicelo | hi Luke-Jr |
| 21:21.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/debug_board/OpenMoKo_Debug_Board_V3_MP.pdf |
| 21:25.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: TPS2149IDGN provides VCC3 which is voltage of all JTAG |
| 21:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | via LDO_OUT. sorry that's all I can tell |
| 21:26.30 | Luke-Jr | Didn't you design it? XD |
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| 21:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | theoreticall the FTDI chip might control voltage of LDO by PWRON1/2# outputs to TPS2149IDGN inputs #EN1/2, but I don't know if the LDO does any voltage switching this way. I actually doubt it |
| 21:27.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I didn't design it |
| 21:28.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | find datasheet of TPS2149IDGN, see what it can do for LDO_OUT, particularly how's that related to #EN1/2 |
| 21:28.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | HTH |
| 21:31.48 | Luke-Jr | looks like just 3.3V |
| 21:31.59 | Luke-Jr | which is technically what I need in this case *ponders* |
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| 21:43.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: so maybe actually de-facto standard? |
| 21:43.27 | Luke-Jr | maybe |
| 21:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | however, beware! N900 UART testpins emit magic blue smoke on 3V3, they're 2V8 iirc |
| 21:44.35 | Luke-Jr | O.o |
| 21:44.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I would guess same applies for all OMAP direct IO, incl JTAG |
| 21:45.01 | Luke-Jr | I'm not sure what that means? OMAP likes to do EMPs? :P |
| 21:49.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? |
| 21:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you don't know what it means, then stay away from OMAP devices with your JTAG or any other weird electric device |
| 21:52.16 | Luke-Jr | :/ |
| 21:52.26 | Luke-Jr | JTAG is needed for software, not hardware |
| 21:52.33 | Luke-Jr | I shoudln't have to know hardware to do software |
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| 22:24.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | EH? |
| 22:24.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | JTAG is clearly a hw thing |
| 22:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | as hw as it gets |
| 22:24.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | abusing it for sw debugging purposes is a dual use nobody thought of |
| 22:25.21 | ecc3g | actually it has... |
| 22:25.23 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: The mc hexadecimal editor functioned unexpectedly so I abandoned it and used bless. I usually do not use mc so being unable to directly run the mc hexadecimal editor like I can for mcedit is inconvenient. At least with bless, I can directly run it and specify the file to edit on the command line. |
| 22:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_scan |
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| 22:26.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: fine |
| 22:26.51 | ecc3g | i've used a supposedly hardware debugger tool that goes through JTAG that can single step/breakpoint instructions on the target CPU on the system... I'd call that software debugging using JTAG :D |
| 22:27.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: so what? |
| 22:27.51 | ecc3g | just countering the fact that it has been done before, people have used this tool to debug OSes. |
| 22:27.55 | brolin_empey | However, toggling between Insert mode and Overwrite mode in bless seems to require an Insert key, which the N900’s integrated keyboard seems to lack. |
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| 22:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, JTAG _usually_ allows you to directly access many of the CPU registers, read them and even write new content to them |
| 22:28.18 | ecc3g | (and firmware) |
| 22:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: again, so what? |
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| 22:29.17 | ecc3g | You said nobody thought of it. This tool has been around for years. |
| 22:29.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: how does that make the statement >><Luke-Jr> JTAG is needed for software, not hardware - I shoudln't have to know hardware to do software<< any more true? |
| 22:30.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks and adds "thought of when defining/inventing JTAG" |
| 22:30.38 | ecc3g | actually this tool you don't need to know hardware, they made it so good that the hardware was abstracted away... but rarely it gets this good |
| 22:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | JTAG clearly been invented for HARDWARE purposes |
| 22:30.55 | ecc3g | that I don't disagree with |
| 22:31.28 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: regardless, I need it for software. |
| 22:31.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody even though of using it as sw debugger when it got implemented |
| 22:32.02 | Luke-Jr | doesn't matter |
| 22:32.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: I'm bored diskussing this. I don't have to justify / defend JTAG to you |
| 22:32.09 | Luke-Jr | that's what it's used for today. that's what I need it for. |
| 22:32.24 | Luke-Jr | it's impossible to do software without JTAG on chips today. |
| 22:32.26 | Luke-Jr | thus I need JTAG |
| 22:32.29 | ecc3g | You can write your own software and design your own chips so that you can do that |
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| 22:33.00 | Luke-Jr | I've already written software that can do JTAG via FT232R-based chip bitbanging, even. I just need hardware :/ |
| 22:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_scan |
| 22:33.48 | ecc3g | that software is easy, you need to know the jtag regs inside the chip you want to scan. A lot of that is even nondocumented |
| 22:34.09 | ecc3g | boundary is documented granted |
| 22:34.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | please take it to #texas-instruments, or whatever the chipset you are missing a think like USB to plug your unified debugger tool to |
| 22:34.18 | ecc3g | but that doesnt get you anywhere with software debug |
| 22:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | JTAG is *not* a debugger iterface, by design. take it or leave it |
| 22:36.00 | ecc3g | even worse, normally you select a chain that scans the boundary. then there's the secret proprietary scan sequence that you can do to scan internal state - and that's what you need to do software debug - and this is very very chip specific |
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| 22:37.25 | brolin_empey | Anyway, the reason I needed a hexadecimal editor on Maemo 5 was so that I could patch my asix.ko Loadable Kernel Module to recognise my D-Link DUB-E100 USB to Ethernet adapter hardware version C1 instead of only hardware version B1 and earlier. After manually patching asix.ko , I have successfully internetworked Maemo 5 on my Nokia N900 handheld computer via an Ethernet Wired LAN. :D |
| 22:38.44 | ecc3g | heh, was thinking about getting a wired lan adaptor for my n900 but wifi had to do... :o |
| 22:41.08 | brolin_empey | Who currently maintains the power51 kernel? I need the maintainer to update asix.c to add support for the current hardware version C1 of the D-Link DUB-E100 . |
| 22:41.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: now that's interesting |
| 22:41.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty please pester pali of freemangordon about it |
| 22:42.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd even suggest to add a kernel module cmdline parameter id=<chip_id> |
| 22:42.57 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: “s/of/or/” ? |
| 22:43.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you could load the module via (modprobe) asix.ko id=C1 |
| 22:43.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, *or* freemangordon |
| 22:44.20 | ecc3g | do most people here have OTG cables or use a F-F adaptor on a regular cable? :o |
| 22:44.38 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: pali seems to currently be absent. freemangordon: Are you around? |
| 22:44.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | (parameter) ...since I done exactly what you did, for several modules on PC already, and each time I thought "WTF why isn't there a simple way to specify the valid ID for the module?" |
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| 22:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: the latter |
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| 22:45.51 | brolin_empey | ecc3g: I have both; I usually use a single USB OTG cable. |
| 22:46.41 | ecc3g | I have both as well, but leaning towards the F-F adaptor, once I find some more good A-B cables... |
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| 22:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | OTG cables are usually micro-USB both ends, no? |
| 22:48.25 | ecc3g | the OTG cable I have has a F type A fullsized USB on one end, and microusb on other... |
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| 22:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#Cable_plugs_.28USB_1.x.2F2.0.29 |
| 22:49.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: that's not a OTG cable |
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| 22:50.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | UGH! >>In addition to the above cable assemblies comprising two plugs, an "adapter" cable with a Micro-A plug and a Standard-A receptacle is compliant with USB specifications.[29] << |
| 22:51.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | not though cables with a micro-B-plug and standard-A-receptacle |
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| 22:51.57 | ecc3g | Micro-USB used as OTG is kind of messed up as it is, but seems a lot of phones use this screwed up combo |
| 22:52.14 | ecc3g | err.. micro-USB-B used as a host |
| 22:53.02 | brolin_empey | freemangordon: Please see message #3 of this Russian topic: http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?ref=SERP&br=ro&mkt=en-CA&dl=en&lp=RU_EN&a=http%3a%2f%2f4pda.ru%2fforum%2findex.php%3fshowtopic%3d365154 |
| 22:53.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: yes, micro-B is not allowed for USB-host |
| 22:54.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even for OTG |
| 22:55.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | an OTG device capable to go into host (A) mode needs a A receptacle |
| 22:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | the ID pin on micro-B receptacles is just for the plug's sake, which in turn needs the ID pin to allow detection of B plug in A receptacle |
| 22:57.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | you as well could find micro-B-receptacles and plugs that don't have any conducting pin on ID position |
| 22:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | micro-A plug has ID shorted to GND, micro-B must have it not-connected |
| 22:58.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus a true OTG device with micro-A receptacle knows whether it has an A plug plugged and thus should go A/host mode, or a B plug and thus shall go B/device mode |
| 22:59.32 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: I wanted to photograph my Nokia N900 internetworked via a USB to Ethernet adapter but the dedicated digital still camera at ${WORK} is currently unusable; I will have to use my dedicated digital still camera at ${HOME} or bring said camera to ${WORK} tomorrow. |
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| 23:04.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, id=2001:1a02 |
| 23:05.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously NOT id=C1 |
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| 23:08.45 | jk4 | hi there. i'm wondering if anyone has a copy of joikuspot for n900. |
| 23:09.04 | jk4 | I bought it a couple years ago, but can't find the download, my ovi credentials or my joiku credentials |
| 23:09.26 | jk4 | so if someone had it around, i'd be pretty pleased. taking off on a trip tomorrow |
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| 23:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | tried qthotspot? |
| 23:18.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: if you can read that forum native languge, please suggest lsusb to them |
| 23:19.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | or in windows, I guess device manager details has the USB ID as well |
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| 23:22.13 | definity | Is their a way to veiw the n900 GPD coords in terminal? |
| 23:23.58 | M4rtinK | definity: GPS ? |
| 23:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | interesting question |
| 23:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not (yet) |
| 23:30.15 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: You could reply in English because they can at least read and write English in addition to Russian. |
| 23:30.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not even passing the registration ;-) |
| 23:31.12 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Why not? |
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| 23:31.44 | jk4 | i'll be damned the joiku repo is still in the catalog |
| 23:31.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably because I can't read it |
| 23:31.51 | jk4 | must just not have any binaries |
| 23:32.44 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: At least PaulFertser is fluent in Russian but he is not in this channel. |
| 23:32.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | jk4: I hardly heard of a single user using joghurt sport during last 2 years |
| 23:33.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | jk4: there are several free *hotspot apps |
| 23:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | paul better was fluent in Russian, he's a born Moskovic |
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| 23:34.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 23:36.06 | jk4 | looking at the others too |
| 23:36.12 | jk4 | have to install special kernel though |
| 23:36.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik joku does too |
| 23:36.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | kinda |
| 23:37.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd consider KP generally stable meanwhile |
| 23:37.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you rely on / use special modern tweaks like bme-replacement or whatnot |
| 23:38.11 | jk4 | don't think so |
| 23:38.16 | jk4 | some openvpn config files |
| 23:38.18 | jk4 | so i haz to install extras testing and extras-devel yeah |
| 23:38.19 | jk4 | ? |
| 23:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way |
| 23:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need extras-testing |
| 23:38.47 | jk4 | just devel? |
| 23:39.01 | jk4 | i'm looking at some instructions on the maemo wiki |
| 23:39.04 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Have you tried using software to translate the registration page? That is how I successfully registered for some Polish torrent Web site despite my very limited knowledge of the Polish language. |
| 23:39.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may need extras-devel temporarily for installing KP and qthotspot |
| 23:39.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: I'm not exactly interested in registering with that forum |
| 23:40.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all I wouldn't find a thing even when searching for it, unless somebody tells me which thread to translate and read |
| 23:40.42 | jk4 | fremantle for n900 right? |
| 23:40.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 23:41.01 | jk4 | n900 maemo is fremantle? |
| 23:41.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | the catalog? |
| 23:41.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, N900 is fremantle |
| 23:42.42 | jk4 | goood |
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| 23:45.41 | jk4 | the package in app manager is described as "linux kernel for power use (settings and overclock)"? |
| 23:46.31 | jk4 | appears so |
| 23:46.40 | Drathir | mostly eng sites have better content than polish... |
| 23:48.11 | Drathir | oc is not prefered i think... |
| 23:51.14 | Drathir | brolin_empey: or ask someone who know polish language... |
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| 23:53.37 | jk4 | booting... |
| 23:53.41 | jk4 | holds breath |
| 23:54.17 | Drathir | im dont know deutsch lang but eg. DocScrutinizer05 explain very well and clear to eng... |
| 23:54.24 | jk4 | success seemingly |
| 23:54.46 | jk4 | hotspot didn't just yell at me this time |
| 23:54.48 | jk4 | seems promising |
| 23:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 23:56.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice bon mot: >>When a company or industry is facing changes to its business due to technology, it will argue against the need for change based on the moral importance of its work, rather than trying to understand the social underpinnings.<< |
| 23:57.20 | Drathir | ~seen pali |
| 23:57.22 | infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 5h 9m 39s ago, saying: 'yes'. |
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| 23:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | soooo... how do YOU sign/crypt your emails? |
