| 00:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | lexxik: great! |
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| 00:06.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | lexxik: so now just install KP52.zimage and uBoot again, and you're set |
| 00:07.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess there must be a KP52-for-uBoot package |
| 00:08.48 | lexxik | yeah, its named 'kernel-power-bootimg' |
| 00:09.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel-power-bootimg_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb |
| 00:09.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | just checked |
| 00:09.56 | lexxik | if i want uBoot now, i must install that and 'u-boot-update-bootmenu' ...? |
| 00:10.13 | lexxik | is uBoot still installed i guess |
| 00:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | contans a zimage-2.6.28.10-power52 |
| 00:11.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | you nuked uboot by flashing powerjernel |
| 00:11.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | so first install zimage-2.6.28.10-power52, then install uBoot again |
| 00:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | uBoot installation will pick up zimage-2.6.28.10-power52 |
| 00:12.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, actually your zimage-2.6.28.10-power52 might still be there (I guess in /boot/*) |
| 00:13.06 | lexxik | so firstly the kernel-power-bootimg, than u-boot-flasher and finaly the u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 00:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, u-boot-update-bootmenu should pick up the config files for that zimage from bootmenu/* and create a new boot.scr |
| 00:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you still need to flash uBoot to kernel partition |
| 00:14.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | so yep, what you said |
| 00:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, I guess u-boot-flasher will automagically invoke u-boot-update-bootmenu |
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| 00:16.37 | lexxik | also my nitdroid partition is on its place, and the .item's files are still in /etc/bootmenu.d... so just u-boot-updateblahblah and uBoot will work as before? |
| 00:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...in PREinstall script |
| 00:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | look, you _first_ want to make sure there's a proper boot.scr file, only _then_ flash uBoot to kernel partition in NAND |
| 00:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is why I guess that installing uBoot the recommended way will auto-invoke u-boot-update-bootmenu _prior_ to flashing uBoot |
| 00:19.40 | lexxik | is it problem problem? |
| 00:20.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | since _after_ flashing uBoot you're in a limbo state at best, until you get a proper boot.scr |
| 00:21.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | to be utterly clear on this: when you flash uBoot now without taking care to first create proper boot.scr, then you are *exactly* where you started several hours ago |
| 00:22.20 | lexxik | ...hm.. i dont understand.. when i will install uboot, it doesn't create it? |
| 00:24.15 | lexxik | anyway.. what to do now? |
| 00:27.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | run u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 00:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | check that you got a boot.scr where you think it shall be |
| 00:29.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, first check if your zimage-2.6.28.10-power52 is inb /boot and the according files in bootmenu.d/* |
| 00:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | then run u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 00:29.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | then check boot.scr |
| 00:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | then install uBoot exactly the way it's recommended to get installed |
| 00:29.59 | lexxik | done. bootmenu.scr is |
| 00:30.06 | lexxik | located on myDocs |
| 00:30.26 | lexxik | and zImage of kp52 is also on its place |
| 00:30.51 | lexxik | so now the u-boot-flasher? |
| 00:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 00:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, the uBoot package |
| 00:53.55 | lexxik | u-boot-flasher is already in newest version.. reinstall it? or let i be? |
| 00:57.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to reimstall it |
| 00:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | this info about newest version is obsolete incorrect info from before you flashed powerkernel via PC |
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| 01:02.43 | lexxik | ok.. everything is working... and just for info, the 'attached kernel' is now the power-kernel v52? |
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| 02:21.03 | HtheB | robbiethe1st ! |
| 02:21.06 | HtheB | you're alive :D |
| 02:21.43 | HtheB | you were gone for lik 4,5 days |
| 02:22.38 | robbiethe1st | Um, more like three |
| 02:22.49 | robbiethe1st | friday/staturday... |
| 02:26.38 | robbiethe1st | OK, |
| 02:26.39 | robbiethe1st | um |
| 02:26.50 | robbiethe1st | address is 141 willms rd, elk, WA 99009 |
| 02:27.15 | robbiethe1st | ... of course, this is the wrong window, but meh |
| 02:52.14 | HtheB | :D |
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| 09:31.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | OT story: never c&p from a mcedit window to anything. I wondered why my udev rule didn't work, until I noticed that's no tab in there but literally "<--->" |
| 09:31.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 09:33.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | since I checked "on device" with mc(edit) it was particularly hard to spot |
| 09:34.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | only the char foreground color gave a clue about the true nature of this "<--->" |
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| 09:49.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course the cursor movement |
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| 09:51.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((the 'attached kernel' is now the power-kernel v52?)) hell, no. uBoot comes with stock kernel attached and that doesn't change by any simple means |
| 09:57.39 | Lava_Croft | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPNNg6_CcAAAa4H.jpg:large |
| 09:57.46 | Lava_Croft | gotta love n900 protection measures |
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| 10:30.03 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: in normal pc uou also normally dont cp text from mcedit, you need press shift to mark text for cp ant from terminal menu not right mouse key use copy. |
| 10:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: and that's exactly what I did and what "converted" a TAB to "<-->" |
| 10:33.36 | Drathir | btw i saw last time something that terminal sometimes loosing a focus, that mean dont react to write in terminal and mark also prompt is empty inside not full, works switch right on/off screen after off screen and on again all back to normal state... |
| 10:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | on target laptop I used mc to check why the project didn't work and the file looked pretty normal in mcedit. Only the color of that "TAB" alias "<-->" was not blueish but white |
| 10:34.26 | Drathir | yes that hardly to recognise the difference... |
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| 10:36.26 | Drathir | in terminal on n900 i mostlu using cat for copy or "cat file |less" if a text is longer and i need a part from top... |
| 10:36.40 | Drathir | mostly* |
| 10:37.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but as stated this story been OT. I.E. not related to maemo |
| 10:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/wh_project/ |
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| 10:41.43 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: interesting but one bad things for me is language of comments... |
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| 10:45.38 | japa-fi | Sorry to be repetitive: anyone here have eSpeakcaller installed and operational? (it's supposed to say who is calling. text-to-speech) |
| 10:49.45 | psycho_oreos | I have. |
| 10:50.20 | japa-fi | psycho_oreos, do you have kernel power and does the espeak caller still say the names out? |
| 10:50.47 | psycho_oreos | japa-fi, kp52 and yes it does. |
| 10:51.06 | psycho_oreos | It even speaks when you have a missed call. |
| 10:51.52 | psycho_oreos | Err wait.. *thinks back* it may not.. it only does it for missed calls. I don't quite recall hearing it at other times. |
| 10:53.07 | japa-fi | I recall it saying the name between the rings or so when the phone rings. At some point it stopped functioning. Thought it was just "software rot", too many things installed and conflicting. Now that I've recently wiped my phone, I decided to install it again. Does not say a word :( |
| 10:54.51 | psycho_oreos | hmm hate to ask this but you do have espeak stuff installed right? |
| 10:55.22 | japa-fi | It pulls them as dependanceies |
| 10:55.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: sure, it's not meant to go to public domain, but I still decided to keep most comments in english |
| 10:55.53 | psycho_oreos | Yeah that's the norm, I had a weird thought that it may not have included it. I　also have espeak GUI installed as well. |
| 10:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: this is the line: echo 'ALL<--->ALL = NOPASSWD:/usr/local/bin/wh-playsounds.sh' >>/etc/sudoers |
| 10:56.27 | japa-fi | psycho_oreos, I have eSpeak 1.46.27 + eSpeakCaller 0.8-2 |
| 10:57.36 | psycho_oreos | japa-fi, just checked mine and I have the exact same versions. |
| 10:59.09 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: yes i catch that for private use is most friendly way using own prime language... yea now i see line... |
| 11:02.18 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: one time i have a similar situation but with strange dont showing symbol... all should bo ok but dont working, also others ppl copy what im paste and him works becayse when paste to site this hidden symbol dont copied also, i catch them with idea of one ppl to check all text in plain not editor and be there, remove them all works correctly... |
| 11:04.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, those non-printing chars are notorious fun |
| 11:29.15 | psycho_oreos | japa-fi, this might be old but it might somehow be worth a try: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=586294 |
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| 11:33.21 | psycho_oreos | Somehow I don't think "software rot" could be replicated time and time again. If anything it would be similar to having bad blocks within the filesystem. Besides, even if bad blocks exist, its not like the kernel would be foolish enough to have others using that bad block. |
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| 11:33.57 | japa-fi | psycho_oreos, thanks for the hint. Manual execution of espeakcaller provided error in import espeakcaller_contacts. I''l have to check on this more later. |
| 11:35.05 | psycho_oreos | japa-fi, no problems. Not sure about importing contacts.. |
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| 12:31.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL, Buerger-CERT rises devcon "very high" for https://www.buerger-cert.de/archive?type=widtechnicalwarning&nr=TW-T13-0047%20UPDATE%201 |
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| 12:34.39 | japa-fi | psycho_oreos, apt-get install python-osso <-- problem solved, espeakercaller now speaks again :) |
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| 12:37.13 | psycho_oreos | I guess there's loads of people in .de using dlink devices *snickers*. |
| 12:37.21 | psycho_oreos | japa-fi, *nods* nice :) |
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| 12:39.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: english pls |
| 12:46.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: sorry, I won't set up a webpage for you that I translate. You're free to use google-translate or simply click the links in this buerger-cert website |
| 12:46.44 | kerio | oh ok, the first link is in english |
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| 12:47.12 | kerio | meh, doesn't seem like that big of a deal |
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| 12:47.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: short sory: buerger-cert changed thread-level to "very high" for a warning they sent several days ago, since today they learned it "can get exploited by JavaScript" |
| 12:49.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | the threat vector probably is: you browse a specially prepared website in your local machine. That website, via JS, roots your D-Link router |
| 12:49.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I knew about that threat vector from very beginning |
| 12:49.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's obvious |
| 12:51.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | luckily I retired my D-615 several months ago, also it seems this particular router is not in the list of vulnerable ones, but I don't care |
| 12:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | err DIR-615 |
| 12:53.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly ponders to disable uPnP on his router, no matter if D-Link or not. Actually I think nothing really _needs_ it anyway |
| 12:53.42 | kerio | why is upnp enabled? :o |
| 12:53.47 | kerio | do you not know how to forward ports manually? |
| 12:53.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | because I "tested" it since 2 weeks |
| 12:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know how to manage a router |
| 12:55.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I enabled uPnP to see if it gets used by _anything_ when enabled |
| 12:55.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems it's about time to revert to "disabled" |
| 12:55.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since it didn't change anything for SIP |
| 12:56.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no surprise in that - I'm sitting behind even TWO routers here |
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| 13:00.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | annoying: FritzBox doesn't alllow port forward for port5060: "used internally". Fsck SIP-ALG |
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| 13:27.23 | psycho_oreos | There are Bittorrent clients like qBittorrent which sends out UPnP commands to the gateway (usually its the router) to port forward. |
| 13:29.32 | psycho_oreos | Then there's DLNA for instance which relies on UPnP for various media related stuff. |
| 13:31.56 | n900-dk_ | should I run 'apt-get upgrade'? http://pastebin.com/0pk4F0kc |
| 13:33.30 | psycho_oreos | Depends. |
| 13:35.30 | n900-dk_ | on? |
| 13:36.28 | psycho_oreos | Mainly if you're willing to handle the upgrades. If you have enabled extras-devel and you don't want to risk bricking your device then you might want to disable that repo first. |
| 13:37.04 | n900-dk_ | how come these updates doesn't show up with apt-get update? |
| 13:37.44 | psycho_oreos | Update just downloads the list of packages from various repo. |
| 13:38.58 | n900-dk_ | But they also doesn't show up via HAM |
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| 13:49.58 | psycho_oreos | I think the ones that shows up on HAM are usually the ones that aren't part of the "core" stuff. |
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| 14:43.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's exactly the reason why you shouldn't do apt-get upgrade. It upgrades(updates) stuff that's not meant to get updated |
| 14:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maemo (particularly HAM/repo) works different than usual debian stuff and apt |
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| 14:44.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, as a general rule, never do apt-get upgrade (even less dist-upgrade) |
| 14:46.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g there might be a new version of a lib that's not compatible to the old one, but the app that's using this lib has no updated package yet in the repo where the new lib lives |
| 14:47.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | in HAM you'd see an update for the app when it becomes available, and on updating the app you implicitly update the lib as well. While via apt-get upgrade you update the lib before the matching app becomes even available |
| 14:48.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | HTH |
| 14:49.05 | SAiF | I used to do that.. ;) |
| 14:50.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw this is not limited to extras-devel, though the other repos should usually be consistent. Nevertheless apt-get upgrade is generally deprecated |
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| 18:18.49 | amin007110 | "eventlogger" sometimes count unread messages to negative numbers and remain in this status long time, for example in the desktop widget it shows -2 or -3 unread messages, that in actual situation -3=1. Any workaround for this? |
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| 20:54.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh |
| 20:55.25 | win7mac | finally some life here ;-) |
| 20:55.37 | win7mac | hi |
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| 21:01.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi |
| 21:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I been busy bitching over at #jolla |
| 21:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | mobile |
| 21:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | about general madness in industry regarding HR and the CVs they want to see |
| 21:03.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and now I'm busy with heading out to my pub, getting some drink and my washed clothes |
| 21:03.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | (yes, my pub does my laundry ;-D ) |
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| 21:05.39 | win7mac | HR and the CV? |
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| 21:20.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | HumanResources |
| 21:20.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | you!l guess CV now |
| 21:23.27 | win7mac | customer value :))) |
| 21:23.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | I "applied" to to Jolla like 3 times, in queries to the Jolla guys. E times they told me they'll forward my application resp the info that I'm available as freelancer. Then every so often others told me that didn't happen and I have to send a CV |
| 21:25.20 | win7mac | hhhmm... guess you applied "your way"... ;-) |
| 21:26.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure. I'm freelancer, not searching for employment |
| 21:26.39 | win7mac | sad news anyway, would love to see you on the jolla-train! |
| 21:27.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I don't believe in "obey the boss", I try to make my customers happy |
| 21:28.20 | win7mac | guess you already have a GTA06 as otherhalf in mind... ;) |
| 21:28.59 | win7mac | that's what cv makes |
| 21:29.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, for now I'd love to review, specify and publish the jollaphone and interface to OH |
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| 21:32.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | a swap between blue and red LED as happened in early N900 protos is sth I'm excellent to spot |
| 21:33.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | and it's about time for jolla to read out for such review/QA |
| 21:33.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | reach* |
| 21:33.55 | win7mac | ~OH |
| 21:33.55 | infobot | it has been said that oh is the admin of linux.Box.sk |
| 21:34.18 | win7mac | really? |
| 21:34.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo oh |
| 21:34.37 | infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 21:34.37 | infobot | oh -- created by oh <oliver@chello062178022249.8.11.vie.surfer.at> at Wed Aug 15 02:34:56 2001 (4352 days); it has been requested 9 times, last by win7mac, 42s ago. |
| 21:35.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway #maemo oh obviously is still available |
| 21:36.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~#maemo OH is (jolla) Other Half - a clorified backcover for a phone |
| 21:36.33 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: okay |
| 21:37.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | infobot: no, #maemo OH is (jolla) Other Half - a glorified backcover for a phone |
| 21:37.23 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: okay |
| 21:37.32 | win7mac | ;) |
| 21:37.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~oh |
| 21:37.36 | infobot | hmm... oh is (jolla) Other Half - a glorified backcover for a phone |
| 21:38.25 | win7mac | now we're talkin' ;) |
| 21:38.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | infobot: no, #maemo OH is <reply>OH is (jolla) Other Half - a glorified backcover for a phone |
| 21:38.50 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: okay |
| 21:39.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~oh |
| 21:39.04 | infobot | OH is (jolla) Other Half - a glorified backcover for a phone |
| 21:39.41 | win7mac | *for the jolla phone, damn it |
| 21:40.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'll add that part when their phone got a real name |
| 21:41.24 | win7mac | ok, so i assume you already have a GTA06 as OH in mind, just to displace the first half, right? |
| 21:42.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | I actually suggested that for the ultimate dual SIM solution ;-D |
| 21:42.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | just kidding though |
| 21:44.57 | win7mac | probably I'll buy one of your n900 just for playing when jolla phones are out and you don't need them anymore... |
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| 21:49.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty sure I'll prefer the N900 to Jolla phone |
| 21:50.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all the N900 still is a true NIT |
| 21:50.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | while N9 and Jolla are explicitly phones |
| 21:51.13 | win7mac | I know ;) jolla phone won't be very close to n900 |
| 21:51.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and today I learned Jollaphone/nemo is not even supporting genuine X11, they go for QtWayland |
| 21:52.18 | jaska | ewww |
| 21:52.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | there might be some compatibility layer called Xwayland |
| 21:52.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly... |
| 21:53.00 | win7mac | QT5 I think |
| 21:54.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | not my cup of tea. N9 owners may love it though |
| 21:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | apparently it's even more QML focused than HARM |
| 21:57.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm already fed up with maemo Qt apps, when it comes to genuine X11 tasks like kbd-input or sensors in general |
| 21:58.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | bypassing the system standard HID path and thus ignoring any extensions or tweaks done there |
| 21:58.50 | win7mac | Community will mod it (like N9)! |
| 21:59.31 | win7mac | oh |
| 21:59.32 | jaska | hmm, my custom kbd layout works in opera on n900 |
| 21:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | N9 / HARM is still unbearable in my book, even after almost 2 years of community modding it |
| 22:00.33 | win7mac | because you manage your servers from it and whatnot |
| 22:01.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: it's a weird thing, somehow Qt wiretaps the input stack on a rather low level, thus ignoring higher levels of X11 input/HID handling |
| 22:01.34 | win7mac | not a standard use-case for avarage Joe |
| 22:01.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 22:01.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's exactly what I said above |
| 22:01.59 | win7mac | right |
| 22:02.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | N9 been a me-too-iPhone. Jollaphone aims at exactly same, it seems |
| 22:03.01 | win7mac | somewhat right too, but I'm sure jolla aims for more |
| 22:03.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia "officially" stopped to call those devices NIT, with migration to meego/HARM |
| 22:05.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | transfer from landscape/dual-mode to portrait-only. From "even available with hw-kbd" to "it has even less buttons than $whatever-rubbish", from accurate r-ts to crappy but mainstream c-ts... |
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| 22:06.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and from "it's a PC in your pocket" to "it's the best *phone* you ever will get. And btw it's based on linux" |
| 22:06.42 | win7mac | hopefully we'll see multiboot available so we have some choice |
| 22:06.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIT line ended with N900, and I don't see Jolla picking up on that philosophy |
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| 22:08.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | win7mac: well, afaik Jolla promised they won't tivoize it. But what's the alternative? |
| 22:09.16 | win7mac | htat's my point: there's no alternative |
| 22:09.35 | win7mac | besides Cyanogenmod probably |
| 22:09.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jolla/sailfish could be THE future if they would stick to proper PC compatibility, API-wise. Like keeping X11. And disclosing source of core components like dialer etc, so you could fix those |
| 22:10.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have no doubt community would turn jollaphone into a NIT, if only feasible |
| 22:10.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | or JIT? |
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| 22:11.08 | win7mac | if feasible, yes |
| 22:11.46 | win7mac | I'll make sure you get a dev-device to check out ;) |
| 22:11.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | but they can do this only when Jolla allows to tamper with their sailfish incl all core components, and the OS is not too far from a standard linux PC, API wise |
| 22:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I consider wayland and particularly QtWayland a major obstacle in that regard |
| 22:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure you can use XWayland and watch it run like shit |
| 22:14.04 | win7mac | well, that is beyond my scope |
| 22:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you can replace wayland by Xorg and lose all the Sailfish apps |
| 22:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Xorg with a wXorg might be a possibility, maybe |
| 22:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | wXorg == xWayland^-1 |
| 22:17.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure wXorg won't support ull HD @60fps |
| 22:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | but who needs that? |
| 22:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | full* |
| 22:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya, afk |
| 22:22.33 | win7mac | nobody needs 60fps at whatever resolution because nobody would see any improvement over 25p |
| 22:24.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless that's been first argument for wayland stskeeps cited |
| 22:24.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, I guess wayland driven by poettering, btw |
| 22:25.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | wild guessing, it just feels like that |
| 22:26.56 | win7mac | you did not preorder yet, right? |
| 22:29.01 | win7mac | oh, preorder closed... |
| 22:29.34 | win7mac | s/closed/sold out |
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| 22:30.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | I did |
| 22:30.53 | win7mac | yeah! |
| 22:30.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | broke my own rules |
| 22:31.05 | win7mac | yeah! |
| 22:31.41 | win7mac | well, at least have a *deep* look into it ;) |
| 22:32.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | apprecizates his latest N900 hack: drive activity light |
| 22:33.00 | win7mac | port it to n9, damn it! |
| 22:33.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | with swap on uSD it's even more intriguing |
| 22:34.04 | win7mac | 128GB swap ;) |
| 22:34.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | I need to pester Pali to get a "network" trigger into LED driver as well |
| 22:35.05 | win7mac | as long as you port it to n9 ;) |
| 22:35.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | impossible I guess |
| 22:36.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, you can try what happens when you do echo mmc0 > /sys/class/bla/indicatorLED/trigger |
| 22:37.21 | win7mac | nah, I wont try |
| 22:37.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | with inception it might even work |
| 22:38.09 | win7mac | I might look into the new repos-app, once the GUI is ready |
| 22:39.48 | ecc3g | is there a way to not need a loop to keep on writing the trigger? |
| 22:40.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | you may test it, nothing odd to happen, except aegispaegis saying NONONO you cant do that |
| 22:40.30 | ecc3g | because somehow my n900 hung when I left the 'drive light' running when not using the phone... not sure if it was related or not but it was the only thing I was running that was 'new'... |
| 22:40.42 | ecc3g | i have a feeling there may be a race here |
| 22:40.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | ecc3g: stop MCE is first brute force approach |
| 22:41.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I'm running that while loop since some days now. no issues |
| 22:42.56 | ecc3g | I rarely have the phone hang, had to blame this first because it's the newest hack... :( |
| 22:43.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | fgair enough |
| 22:44.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | fair* |
| 22:44.56 | ecc3g | starting it up again to see if it will replicate... |
| 22:44.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually kernel had a bug there that I revealed |
| 22:45.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | but that's quite a time ago |
| 22:45.56 | ecc3g | fixed in kp52? |
| 22:46.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | fixed in stock 1.2 I think |
| 22:47.18 | ecc3g | ah ok. |
| 22:47.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | heartbeat trigger made it panic iirc |
| 22:48.36 | ecc3g | hmm...wish there was a way to know about panics on the phone if it can't write to a log... |
| 22:48.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | eh? |
| 22:49.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | dev/mtd3? |
| 22:50.23 | ecc3g | i guess on a dev platform you could have a serial console or something. or if there are sections of memory that are always OK to overwrite even where there's a panic, is that the case with mtd3? |
| 22:51.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | yrs |
| 22:54.11 | ecc3g | nice ok, that helps (mtd2 it looks)... lets see if there is any panic from that hang... |
| 22:54.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | and there's even a tool to read out logs of OOPS and PANIC |
| 22:54.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | I forgot the name |
| 22:54.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | check tools wikipage |
| 22:55.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | devtools |
| 22:55.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | they all start with same prefix, and it not been osso or maemo |
| 22:56.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | if you find that prefix for me, I can tell you the name of the tool |
| 23:02.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | sp |
| 23:03.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | sp-oops-extract |
| 23:05.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 23:05.36 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: aw, gee |
| 23:06.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | ecc3g: you here? |
| 23:07.16 | ecc3g | googling/tmoing... |
| 23:08.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~pkg |
| 23:08.08 | infobot | rumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 23:08.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | thats how I found it |
| 23:10.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd really like to see any OOPS dump related to LED trigger |
| 23:11.03 | ecc3g | we'll see if it replicates too... |
| 23:11.58 | win7mac | gn o/ |
| 23:13.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | night win7mac |
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| 23:28.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | mtd2: 00040000 00020000 "log" |
| 23:31.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | ecc3g: you found anything intresting in mtd2? |
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| 23:43.44 | ecc3g | no, nothing interesting... |
| 23:57.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, then I can't see how any perceived lockup could be related to LED trigger |
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| 23:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders removing the LED lib from MCE plugins |
