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| 08:02.38 | Lava_Croft | now with the cssu stuff etc, what is the recommended setting for WSEGL_UseHWSync |
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| 08:05.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1358180#post1358180 |
| 08:05.41 | mkaindl_ | Lava_Croft: it's faster with WSEGL_UseHWSync on, but it seems, some n900s are having trouble with it (i never came across one), so my recommendation is to try it and make more backups than normal, while trying |
| 08:06.02 | Lava_Croft | i know about the setting, i was wondering if anything changed surrouding it:) |
| 08:06.23 | Lava_Croft | hwsync tends to produce graphical glitches |
| 08:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn I even forgot about that |
| 08:07.48 | mkaindl_ | i can only tell my personal experience about it and i never had problems with it.. |
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| 08:14.17 | Lava_Croft | thanks :) |
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| 08:17.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | is there a story why hwsync works to speed up stuff? |
| 08:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | also I wonder how hwsync can produce glitches/atrifacts. You'd expect the opposite |
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| 08:29.41 | Lava_Croft | isnt hwsync like vsync |
| 08:29.48 | Lava_Croft | smoothing out the animations |
| 08:37.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 08:38.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | it should *delay* next fb update until vsync sync gap |
| 08:38.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | only works with sw support for that, I'd guess |
| 08:39.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | by such delay it would reduce effective virtual framerate to actually visible physical framerate |
| 08:39.25 | Lava_Croft | i guess the 'faster' comes from the animations being smooth with hwsync on |
| 08:39.36 | Lava_Croft | whereas without they just fire off at max framerate orso |
| 08:39.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, faster could actually come from less cpu load for fb update, freeing up cpu for other tasks |
| 08:40.12 | Lava_Croft | and graphical errors are probably result of shit hw/sw |
| 08:40.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I said above |
| 08:40.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | err sorry |
| 08:40.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | no isn't |
| 08:41.36 | Lava_Croft | most common is garbage is animated elements being glitchy |
| 08:41.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually you render a spare fb, then switch video hw buffer base addr (one register) during VSYNC |
| 08:41.48 | Lava_Croft | like having leftover garbage pixels on the menu button in top left |
| 08:42.00 | Lava_Croft | this only happens with hwsync enabled |
| 08:42.06 | Lava_Croft | but cannot reproduce reliably |
| 08:42.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you switch during frame display, you see artifacts or glitches/tearing |
| 08:42.36 | Lava_Croft | not tearing, i mean artifacts that stay |
| 08:42.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's odd |
| 08:42.48 | Lava_Croft | yup |
| 08:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | mustn't happen |
| 08:43.00 | Lava_Croft | i enabled hwsync again in order to be able to screenshot it |
| 08:43.05 | Lava_Croft | when and if it happens again |
| 08:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I figure hw-sync actually needs sw-support, despite the name |
| 08:46.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | when your sw writes directly to the supposedly single existing and active framebuffer, then for sure a hw-based switching between two buffers will cause artifacts at best |
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| 08:47.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | your sw needs to write into the shadow buffer, then either a) switch fb base addr as soon as rendering of new shadow buffer is completed, or b) let hwsync do that, possibly you migght even need an IRQ-handler doing the switching then |
| 08:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | simply enabling hw-sync won't do any good if sw/drivers are not made to cooperate with it |
| 08:50.37 | Lava_Croft | it doesnt reliably produce artifacts |
| 08:50.48 | Lava_Croft | in fact most of the time nothing is wrong |
| 08:50.59 | Lava_Croft | which is annoying |
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| 09:00.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like all the other stuff (SR, 125MHz...) that Nokia found to have some glitches but wasn't able to figure how to fix or workaround those, so disable resp not use it |
| 09:08.00 | DrCode | hi all |
| 09:10.53 | Lava_Croft | yes |
| 09:11.42 | DrCode | hi lava |
| 09:11.58 | DrCode | I still watting to my n900 |
| 09:12.08 | DrCode | I did ordered it from HK and I understand its not the nokia orginal phone |
| 09:12.32 | DrCode | any one have exprince with N900 from HK , is it the same? |
| 09:17.44 | bef0rd | its "original" phone |
| 09:17.47 | bef0rd | just not brand new |
| 09:18.11 | bef0rd | probably a refurbished unit, new case, etc |
| 09:20.47 | Lava_Croft | i have two N900s with different shells |
| 09:20.55 | Lava_Croft | different kind of plastic |
| 09:21.15 | Lava_Croft | subcontractors for the win? |
| 09:34.24 | Lava_Croft | aw, there conversations bugged out again |
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| 10:07.49 | DrCode | I see |
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| 10:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it's a NOKLA phone then you have a nice brick basically |
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| 10:57.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it's a N900 nokia phone, then it been manufactured by nokia, no remakes known to exist |
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| 11:18.28 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: i recall there where some fakes |
| 11:18.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, true fakes with a crappy dual-SIM chipset |
| 11:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and 16MB RAM |
| 11:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOKLA |
| 11:19.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually NOKlA |
| 11:19.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | not NOKIA |
| 11:20.25 | cehteh | no 'nokia' .. looking very much like the original but non maemo |
| 11:20.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | facsimile fake fone |
| 11:20.41 | cehteh | there where a handful or more fakes |
| 11:20.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | but there never been true rebuilds |
| 11:20.59 | cehteh | http://tamss60.tamoggemon.com/2009/09/29/fake-nokia-n900-or-getting-a-copy-wrong/ << not only this :P |
| 11:21.29 | cehteh | one i've seen looked very much geniue, but had a different cheap os |
| 11:21.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it runs maemo, it is built by nokia |
| 11:21.41 | cehteh | yes |
| 11:21.51 | cehteh | prolly i didnt heared of any maemo clone |
| 11:22.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | BB5 cmt can't get cloned |
| 11:22.22 | cehteh | but some of the fakes had a slightly similar name, and/or similar apeareance |
| 11:22.54 | cehteh | and i recall *one* was really good faked, only very little details differed, until you turn it on :) |
| 11:23.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 11:23.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | the nokla phone |
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| 11:25.28 | cehteh | nope better |
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| 11:31.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I consider the "brand new, mint condition" crappy refurbished ones way more annoying |
| 11:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are you get such a lemmon when ordering in HK |
| 11:31.56 | cehteh | mircob acting odd on mine since some kernel power update some time ago, it now starts to get annoying |
| 11:32.21 | cehteh | freezes for some time and sometimes gets killed |
| 11:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ummm |
| 11:32.51 | cehteh | strangely everything else works |
| 11:33.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're sure it's related to KP? |
| 11:33.13 | cehteh | prolly some borked config |
| 11:33.23 | cehteh | not really, just that was the time it happened to start |
| 11:33.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you do oc, uv, sr... |
| 11:33.34 | cehteh | but i dont really want to reflash it |
| 11:33.50 | amin007110 | Morning, |
| 11:34.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | good (ugt) morning |
| 11:34.08 | freemangordon | Pali: ping |
| 11:34.25 | Pali | freemangordon: pong |
| 11:34.37 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 11:35.10 | freemangordon | Pali: I'try to answer Dave's comment re ppa api patch |
| 11:35.18 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer05 -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet | congratulations and welcome to new BoD |
| 11:35.23 | freemangordon | I'll even |
| 11:35.28 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 11:35.31 | freemangordon | if you don;t mind |
| 11:36.08 | *** mode/#maemo [+v povbot] by ChanServ |
| 11:37.19 | kerio | you'll even what? :o |
| 11:37.23 | kerio | don't leave me hanging |
| 11:37.26 | amin007110 | After shutting down my N900 to replace battery, and after turning on again, Das u-boot tries to boot kernel, but nothing happen and device stucks at black backlight screen. not booting dots or sound or anything. Is there any steps to resolve this before trying to flash kernel, etc. ? |
| 11:37.39 | freemangordon | kerio: I fixed a typo :) |
| 11:37.47 | cehteh | oops .. jolla pre-order SOLD OUT .. marketing stunt? |
| 11:37.47 | kerio | i see |
| 11:37.50 | freemangordon | 14:35 <freemangordon> Pali: I'try |
| 11:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: make sure you boot to right kernel |
| 11:38.55 | kerio | cehteh: 10 phones were actually produced |
| 11:39.01 | amin007110 | DocScrutinizer05, the same result with omap1 and kp52 |
| 11:39.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: juggling with kernels is not exactly foolproof |
| 11:39.18 | cehteh | kerio: did they already produce a single phone? :) |
| 11:39.29 | kerio | idk, didn't they make phones? |
| 11:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: did you install multiboot? |
| 11:39.39 | amin007110 | No |
| 11:39.40 | freemangordon | Pali: a nit - why is +#ifdef CONFIG_ARM_ERRATA_430973 inside the if (omap_type() == OMAP2_DEVICE_TYPE_SEC) { ? |
| 11:40.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | what been last rootfs you had running? thumb(cssu) or non-thumb("normal")? |
| 11:40.32 | freemangordon | Pali: wouldn't it be better to #ifdef the if() itself? |
| 11:41.07 | amin007110 | DocScrutinizer05, before this, device works normally and many successful reboots and restarts happened. before this shutdown, no new changes applied! Just surfing the web. |
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| 11:41.27 | amin007110 | DocScrutinizer05, CSSU-T last update |
| 11:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's no answer to my question |
| 11:41.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 11:41.53 | amin007110 | non thumb testing |
| 11:42.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope cssu-t8.2 |
| 11:42.36 | amin007110 | updated last week, I don't remember exact version |
| 11:42.42 | Pali | freemangordon: ok answer email |
| 11:42.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | since cssu-t8 (and 8.1?) had a known issue with fstab that would cause exactly what you encounter |
| 11:43.07 | Pali | freemangordon: next patch will add more lines to if (omap_type() ==) |
| 11:43.24 | Pali | so this is reason why I put #ifdef out of if() |
| 11:43.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: do you have backupmenu installed? |
| 11:43.48 | Pali | after errata patch will be accepted in mainline I will send next patches |
| 11:43.57 | freemangordon | Pali: I see, makes sense |
| 11:44.15 | amin007110 | causing problem even after 20 successful reboots? No, backupmenu not installed. |
| 11:44.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: yes, possibly |
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| 11:45.31 | amin007110 | anything i can do in u-boot console ? |
| 11:45.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: when last shutdown caused unclean umount of /home or even /, then the new stuff in cssu-t around fsck might still kick in and a bug wake up after several successful boots |
| 11:46.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that's the issue, then it's unrelated to uboot and kernel |
| 11:47.07 | amin007110 | If this is the case, i think i should boot rescue OS and trying fsck! yes? |
| 11:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I appreciate the braveness of pali messing with this stuff |
| 11:47.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I don't dare to try it |
| 11:47.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: basically yes. Good approach |
| 11:48.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | get guidance from some of the cssu hackers doing it |
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| 11:48.49 | amin007110 | i remember that one time in the past i did this, maybe last year :D |
| 11:48.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | boot into rescueOS, try mounting /home and / of maemo, see if it mounts cleanly |
| 11:49.33 | jon_y | don't forget to recite the sacred prayers |
| 11:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | if /home ext3 partition doesn't mount r/w, you should first do a backup before you even try to fsck it |
| 11:50.09 | jon_y | well, there's always reflash, for worst case scenario |
| 11:51.18 | amin007110 | Well, we should do anything to avoid the worst, as mush as possible! |
| 11:51.38 | amin007110 | much |
| 11:51.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually that fstab-hack in cssu been done with the assumption that fsck basically never gets called on N900 during boot. The opposite is the case though |
| 11:52.25 | amin007110 | Hmmmm... |
| 11:52.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck is needed each time your phone shuts down not 100% gracefully |
| 11:53.42 | amin007110 | and isn't it possible to implement the package in u-boot console for emergency cases? |
| 11:53.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and tweaking stuff in this part of system init is really brave |
| 11:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, uboot is cluttered already |
| 11:55.32 | amin007110 | Then i should install backupmenu to access r/w via USB and do such things in desktop, for example. :) |
| 11:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 11:59.08 | amin007110 | It seems pali's chat client needs fsck too! (read error)!!! [jk] |
| 11:59.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually backupmenu would also show that your kernel gets loaded and system starts up but does not display anything |
| 12:00.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems pali's client has an auto disconnect when stuff gets tough ;-) |
| 12:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | (it's been pali who did that fstab hack) |
| 12:01.08 | amin007110 | lol |
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| 12:04.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess we need a QA form for cssu patches |
| 12:05.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | to list&checkmark all the needed steps to ensure regression tests and code coverage etc been done |
| 12:06.33 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: NSA just wanted to know what pali was up to :) |
| 12:07.01 | jon_y | a friendly tap on the wires |
| 12:07.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 12:07.36 | anthonie | jon_y, :) the word "stab" in "fstab" must ring some bells.... |
| 12:07.48 | jon_y | :) |
| 12:07.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey anthonie! |
| 12:08.21 | jon_y | the NSA thought that pali was awfully quiet recently and decided to check up on him |
| 12:08.22 | anthonie | morning all! |
| 12:08.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie: please register with nickserv! |
| 12:09.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | /msg nickserv help register |
| 12:10.02 | rikanee | jon_y: we need our own PRISM |
| 12:10.18 | anthonie | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.23 | rikanee | "big data" sounds fun |
| 12:10.27 | jon_y | definitely, so we don't forget our chat logs |
| 12:10.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: I should be appropriate and sufficient for that task |
| 12:10.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie: no leading space |
| 12:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: though the centralized concept of prism is not exactly matching my massively distributed nature |
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| 12:15.34 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: run the network gather backend over "BitTorrent meets folding@home", with Node.js, Coffeescript, Rails, and PHP to hack together a new type of non-ACID relational DB |
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| 12:16.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki skynet |
| 12:18.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | smetimes it bocomes too obvious. Like with opera |
| 12:18.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | becomes* |
| 12:19.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://my.opera.com/securitygroup/blog/2013/06/26/opera-infrastructure-attack |
| 12:20.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-09 14:49:52] <DocScrutinizer05> >>This has allowed them to distribute malicious software which incorrectly appears to have been published by Opera Software, or appears to be the Opera browser.<< |
| 12:20.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-09 14:50:56] <DocScrutinizer05> >>It is possible that a few thousand Windows users, who were using Opera between 01.00 and 01.36 UTC on June 19th, may automatically have received and installed the malicious software.<< |
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| 12:44.48 | win7mac | I don't use opera on my windows machine |
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| 13:11.06 | Drathir | morning |
| 13:12.55 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: ++ for skynet mention but better was the sarah connor's chronicels than oryginal terminator i think... |
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| 13:28.01 | Gear_ | hey has anyone here connected their n900 to a raspberry pi? |
| 13:30.08 | joga | Gear_, in what way? |
| 13:30.39 | Gear_ | um, vnc, or any way really? |
| 13:30.54 | joga | if you have them on the same network, it's trivial |
| 13:31.02 | joga | ssh/vnc/rdp, whatever |
| 13:31.12 | Gear_ | you can connect anything to it |
| 13:31.34 | Gear_ | I mean more of a pocket... two devices kind of thing |
| 13:32.07 | Gear_ | you can connect the n900 straight to the pi via usb using that wifi hotspot app |
| 13:32.10 | joga | would they have some purpose? |
| 13:33.33 | amin007110 | DocScrutinizer05, "e2fsck /dev/mmcblk0p2" has been done. Now I have a booted Maemo with no image at all. lol! for example nokia logo or backgrounds, Language, Region, Time and Date selection menu, all has ! mark and "missing image" text. |
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| 13:38.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: I'm afraid you nuked the /home |
| 13:38.53 | amin007110 | I think it does not mount at all. |
| 13:39.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount will tell ;-) |
| 13:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.50 | amin007110 | the same as you typed, but (defaults) instead of those! |
| 13:42.10 | amin007110 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:45.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then it is mounted at least |
| 13:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | check /opt |
| 13:46.19 | amin007110 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.09 | amin007110 | well, tones of things in lost +found. fsck did this no doubt! |
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| 13:50.42 | Gear__ | hi |
| 13:50.46 | Gear__ | raspi + usb tether |
| 13:51.00 | amin007110 | It seems some of them are those missing ".png" files. |
| 13:51.03 | Gear__ | well, I dunno yet really. you can vnc into the raspi, and then give it full access to the 3g modem |
| 13:51.47 | Gear__ | or just mess around with the pi on the go without needing a screen or keyboard |
| 13:52.01 | Gear__ | but it works! |
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| 14:04.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: now was the time to restore a /home backup, via backupmenu |
| 14:05.02 | amin007110 | my last /home backup dated 2011 i think :D |
| 14:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you're probably in for a reflash |
| 14:06.07 | amin007110 | So, how to backup important data now while i have x-term? |
| 14:06.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're lucky you don't need to reflash vanilla, just re-optify the whole stuff in opt that got lost |
| 14:06.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, a cp -a might work, when you got a uSD |
| 14:06.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, probably better tar it up |
| 14:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | since uSD rarely has a posix fs |
| 14:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe tar to your PC is even better |
| 14:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | or scp |
| 14:08.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rsync |
| 14:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools might help, look at very bottom of page |
| 14:09.03 | amin007110 | Creating posix fs with gparted on ubuntu is easy, but finding uSD among lots of stuffs on my desks is hardly near to success! hehe. |
| 14:09.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | GOD |
| 14:09.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sorry |
| 14:09.12 | infobot | ACTION appologizes profusely to everyone, points at the spammers, and says: "IT WAS THEM, THEY MADE ME DO IT!!!" |
| 14:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 14:09.24 | infobot | well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 14:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think on ubuntu odds are you already have a posix fs on / |
| 14:10.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and on /home |
| 14:10.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and $HOME |
| 14:11.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | most likely ext3, ext4, or maybe even btrfs |
| 14:11.17 | amin007110 | on n900 or laptop ? |
| 14:11.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | all are capable to handle/store posix file attributes |
| 14:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: hm? |
| 14:12.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | what on ... or... |
| 14:12.20 | ecc3g | does ext3 on loopfs over emmc/fat32 work? |
| 14:12.33 | ecc3g | (in power kernel at least?) |
| 14:12.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | should, if you wanna do that |
| 14:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I gather you are ssh into n900 from your linux PC |
| 14:13.08 | ecc3g | just swap over loopfs doesn't work? |
| 14:13.36 | amin007110 | ssh over usb ? |
| 14:14.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops, I missed two users speaking |
| 14:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: yes, whatever you're using |
| 14:14.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | usb, wlan, BT |
| 14:16.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: otoh I guess rescueOS exports /home aka mmcblk0p2 via USB as mass storage? |
| 14:17.04 | amin007110 | how to check ? |
| 14:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | read README of rescueOS |
| 14:17.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | plug N900 to PC |
| 14:18.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might need to run a script or command to make the /home get exported |
| 14:18.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | on N900 |
| 14:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart ext3 on flash storage |
| 14:19.48 | infobot | shoves a crumpet down ext3 on flash storage's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 14:21.07 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: afaik, usd and emmc are exported |
| 14:21.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I for one consider it rather silly to try and write 512byte journal chunks for fs data on a storage that has erase pages in the MB size range |
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| 14:22.42 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i optimized my ext4 =D |
| 14:23.15 | kerio | it now knows that writing on 4mb blocks is a lot more efficient |
| 14:23.43 | k273 | Join #uberstudent |
| 14:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | either you buffer/cache and lose 500kb+- of journal on hard shutdown, or you write back dirty buffers every 2 seconds, and make the idea of journal futile |
| 14:23.57 | k273 | Heh |
| 14:24.12 | k273 | #join uberstudent |
| 14:24.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | try / |
| 14:25.35 | k273 | Yes thank you doc |
| 14:25.54 | k273 | Been a while since last time I was in irc |
| 14:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | awesome: >>Hi I manage a call center and I need the Twinkle of a report relief port time each user (operator)<< |
| 14:27.04 | joga | ...wut? |
| 14:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders if a human mamanged to create that gibberish |
| 14:27.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | managed* |
| 14:27.48 | joga | you have no chance to survive make your time |
| 14:28.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | all your base are belong to us |
| 14:28.06 | k273 | Lol |
| 14:28.25 | jaska | sounds like machine translation engrish |
| 14:29.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just had to decide whether to approve or reject as spam this forum message |
| 14:29.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | interesting to see if it gets any answer |
| 14:29.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 14:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | GOD, seems this is not a human. Next post |
| 14:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | > >Hi I need help, how do I disable or remove options and automatic answer not disturb the service menu<< |
| 14:32.38 | k273 | I turn you guess it off, probably |
| 14:32.56 | k273 | ^the answer |
| 14:33.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I turn you guess it off, probably ^the answer no i not |
| 14:33.49 | jaska | :D |
| 14:35.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/messages?o=1 |
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| 14:56.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | OS-Command Injection via UPnP Interface in multiple D-Link devices http://www.s3cur1ty.de/m1adv2013-020 |
| 14:56.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
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| 15:13.58 | sixwheeledbeast1 | Anybody use mobile hotspot or the qt gui? I need to use my N900's data connection for my works laptop. Solutions? |
| 15:14.10 | sixwheeledbeast1 | damn nickserv |
| 15:15.14 | sixwheeledbeast1 | ping |
| 15:15.29 | sixwheeledbeast | ~ping |
| 15:15.29 | infobot | ~pong |
| 15:17.29 | amin007110 | sixwheeledbeast, mobile hotspot worked prfectly :) |
| 15:17.53 | amin007110 | works* |
| 15:18.13 | sixwheeledbeast | I guess you have to use terminal each time you need to use it? |
| 15:18.19 | amin007110 | no |
| 15:18.43 | amin007110 | just install mobile hotspot application from repo and ready to go |
| 15:19.07 | amin007110 | launch, set web encryption and hotspot name (or leave default) and hit Start |
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| 15:19.52 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm sounds good is it a secure connection? I guess it works on KP52? |
| 15:20.06 | amin007110 | Also script version from terminal works, but gui version is more reliable. |
| 15:20.35 | amin007110 | yes, i confirm that it works on kp52. |
| 15:20.50 | amin007110 | oh, and WEP encryption only! |
| 15:21.32 | amin007110 | but be aware of battery usage. |
| 15:23.08 | sixwheeledbeast | amin007110: great thanks I will look into that. WEP grrr... not good but better than no encryption. |
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| 15:25.10 | amin007110 | sixwheeledbeast, no problem, in my tests with genuine nokia 1430mAh 5.3Wh battery, it lasts about 4-5 hours to become empty, using only hotspot and a bit GPS, 2-3 short calls and some text messages. |
| 15:25.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: you may want to use additional encrypted protocols like https, ssh, etc then wep shouldn't be much of an issue |
| 15:26.46 | kerio | sixwheeledbeast: you definetely want to use additional end-to-end encryption |
| 15:27.11 | kerio | in general |
| 15:30.23 | sixwheeledbeast | mac filtering? |
| 15:30.28 | sixwheeledbeast | is it possible |
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| 15:31.44 | sixwheeledbeast | although ... never mind |
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| 15:33.00 | sixwheeledbeast | USB could be a better option. |
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| 15:37.11 | ecc3g | mobile hot spot makes my phone chew up battery like there's no tomorrow... USB and bluetooth even, are better... |
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| 15:37.33 | ecc3g | still good to set up when in a bind though. |
| 15:40.29 | amin007110 | The most important benefit of Mobile-HotSpot is the ability to connecting multiple devices to share Internet across. |
| 15:42.07 | ecc3g | most of the time when I'm in a bind, I only want exactly one computer to access the network :D |
| 15:43.29 | ecc3g | though when I had my 5230 which doesn't have wifi... I was using my eeepc to distribute wifi. which had the benefit that ath5k supports infrastructure/AP mode... |
| 15:47.14 | ecc3g | IIRC n900 + MHS = less than 2 hours from charged to flat |
| 15:47.38 | freemangordon | ecc3g: on 3G? |
| 15:47.51 | ecc3g | yeah... |
| 15:48.16 | freemangordon | looks normal to me |
| 15:48.28 | ecc3g | right |
| 15:49.08 | ecc3g | was comparing it with using BT/USB... which depends on how much you use the radio... probably similar unless you're sporadically using the network |
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| 16:16.15 | Gear_ | what's with the repositories? |
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| 16:33.57 | kerio | Gear_: why? |
| 16:38.24 | Gear_ | I can't install arp-scan |
| 16:48.15 | Gear_ | it just isn't there |
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| 17:00.47 | amin007110 | Gear_, arp-scan 1.8.1-0maemo4 in http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free |
| 17:01.07 | amin007110 | also here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/arp-scan/1.8.1-0maemo4/ |
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| 18:12.35 | XATRIX | Hi guys, how can i make my screen always to be a portrait ? |
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| 18:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: short answer: cssu. Even shorter answer: not |
| 18:34.22 | GeneralAntilles | XATRIX, Maemo is designed primarily for landscape usage. |
| 18:34.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: there are still programs that simply don't work in portrait mode |
| 18:34.44 | HtheB | while harmattan portait :p |
| 18:35.02 | psycho_oreos | I believe you can with testing versions of CSSU. I just tried it just then and it seems to lock it in portrait once you disable orientation lock (on landscape), rotate device so that it is held like a phone (forces rotation to portrait), enable orientation lock (on portrait). |
| 18:35.44 | psycho_oreos | Yeah what DocScrutinizer05 said, there are parts where you can have portrait but not many programs can allow portrait only mode. |
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| 18:42.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw I'm pretty content that I finally convinced them to have an orientation lock that works this way |
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| 19:00.01 | GI_Jack | DocScrutinizer05, my accelerometer is pretty fucked up, and from reading the forums, I am not alone, in fact the accel hardware on the n900 was pretty crappy to beggin with, the option to disable oreintation and accel based function is greatly appreciated |
| 19:00.09 | GI_Jack | or an option to calibrate the accelerometer |
| 19:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | the accel-meter gets discalibrated by a glitch in driver (in my book), anyway verified is that it needs reboot or even battery removal to "recalibrate" |
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| 19:06.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I never again seen this problem since I guess PR1.3 the latest |
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| 19:15.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | though meanwhile if I would encounter same problem again, I would try to unload and reload the lis302 driver module |
| 19:16.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even simply restart mce |
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| 19:21.09 | cehteh | how can i change the ip associated with a sip server? |
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| 19:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: hmm? |
| 19:33.24 | cehteh | just recreated and deleted |
| 19:33.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think that's a DNS thing? |
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| 19:33.48 | cehteh | i entered hard IP's here :) |
| 19:34.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or did you refer to your own IP as "seen" by SIP registrar? |
| 19:34.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, the SIP config dialog of fremantle ;-P |
| 19:34.50 | cehteh | the one i enter on sip account here |
| 19:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | is ubar |
| 19:34.54 | cehteh | yes |
| 19:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | fubar even |
| 19:35.05 | cehteh | anyway fixed now |
| 19:35.17 | cehteh | i just connect internall here to my fritzbox |
| 19:35.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | once you enter something for e.g. display name, you never again can delete it |
| 19:35.27 | cehteh | and changed its IP |
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| 19:35.46 | cehteh | works now |
| 19:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, you can delete the account and create a new one |
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| 19:36.30 | cehteh | sux because i didnt noted the password :P |
| 19:36.48 | cehteh | well just gave a new one |
| 19:36.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | "known" issue, but since I never filed a bug, it never got fixed |
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| 19:37.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I noticed it maybe 3 years ago |
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| 19:51.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: I'm absolutely sure you could change that stuff in either gconf registry or rather rtcom account config files |
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| 19:51.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | also look up password which is stored plaintext there |
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| 19:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, /home/user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg |
| 19:53.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | here you are |
| 19:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | EUGH! has no password |
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| 20:02.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc where the password gets stored |
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| 20:35.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo mmc1 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:g/trigger; echo mmc0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:b/trigger |
| 20:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas class of supported triggers has no WLAN or radio |
| 20:37.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | but "disk" activity indicator on indicator LED makes a lot of sense to me too |
| 20:38.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | where you seen it first? on #maemo. Who posted it? DocScrutinizer05 |
| 20:42.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | if the above is a bit too terse for you: the cmd line "echo mmc1 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:g/trigger; echo mmc0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:b/trigger" makes your indicator LED shine blue whenever access to mmc0 happens, and shine green whenever mmc1 gets accessed. For best results disable breathe light in settings |
| 20:46.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | the setting seems not permanent, any mce event that causes a new led pattern to get enabled seems to reset it |
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| 20:59.56 | Lava_Croft | wow! |
| 21:00.09 | Lava_Croft | nokia announced yet another completely unimpressive mobile device! |
| 21:00.17 | Lava_Croft | and its still the same phone as 2 years ago, it seems! \o/ |
| 21:02.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | if they only would announce same N900-alike as 5 years ago |
| 21:03.19 | Lava_Croft | those times are past us |
| 21:03.26 | Lava_Croft | nokia is not in the game anymore to set the bar:) |
| 21:03.39 | Lava_Croft | they now follow, several miles behind |
| 21:03.54 | Lava_Croft | what i wonder is what monkey at Nokia thought that putting this PureView monster in a Lumia will make people want a Lumia |
| 21:04.08 | Lava_Croft | as if the camera was the reason holding people back from buying a Lumia |
| 21:06.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | stares at his new disk activity indicator and thinks "how awesome!" |
| 21:06.10 | Lava_Croft | yeah i read it |
| 21:06.16 | Lava_Croft | but i decided its not worth it if it doesnt stick! |
| 21:07.02 | Win7Mac | please port to N9 :P |
| 21:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | while sleep 10; do echo mmc1 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:g/trigger; echo mmc0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:b/trigger; done |
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| 21:07.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | good enough for me, for now |
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| 21:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw don't get fooled, here mmc0 and mmc1 are genuine unrenamed meaning |
| 21:10.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I think r for red is nicer than b for blue |
| 21:10.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | i.e. uSD is red, not blue when you use /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:r instead *b |
| 21:12.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just wonder wtf there's no mtd0 in list of triggers |
| 21:13.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | (cat /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:g/trigger) |
| 21:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | none timer heartbeat mmc0 [mmc1] |
| 21:15.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | heartbeat is pretty boring |
| 21:15.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | timer is kinda obscure |
| 21:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I once checked sourcecode how to use it, but in the end it's also boring |
| 21:16.24 | Lava_Croft | ill just blindly copy and paste that you said over ssh |
| 21:16.35 | Lava_Croft | n900 is not within reach |
| 21:17.06 | Lava_Croft | (of course i wont, but its always fun to say such things) |
| 21:17.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, when you want to run that via ssh (wlan) then you probably should use nohup (or screen) |
| 21:18.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and as mentioned, it works much better when you disable "device on" LED pattern in settings/LED-patterns |
| 21:18.34 | Lava_Croft | i have all leds except charging disabled |
| 21:18.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 21:18.42 | Lava_Croft | they serve me no purpose for notifications |
| 21:18.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you indeed can simply c&p it to a ssh session |
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| 21:19.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | nohup while sleep 10; do echo mmc1 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:g/trigger; echo mmc0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:r/trigger; done |
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| 21:22.22 | Lava_Croft | ok |
| 21:22.30 | Lava_Croft | im not fast with saying such things |
| 21:22.36 | Lava_Croft | but THIS particular blinking light is cool |
| 21:22.39 | Lava_Croft | thanks |
| 21:22.50 | Lava_Croft | finally it seems i havew a valid use for the led |
| 21:23.02 | Lava_Croft | at least for as long as the novelty factor works |
| 21:23.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | *cough* |
| 21:23.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~/bin# cp -i * /usr/local/bin/ |
| 21:23.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | cp: „/usr/local/bin/patch-libsms“ überschreiben? n |
| 21:23.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | cp: copy.c:2259: valid_options: Assertion `((unsigned int) (co->backup_type) <= numbered_backups)' failed. |
| 21:23.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Aborted (core dumped) |
| 21:24.20 | Lava_Croft | o_O |
| 21:26.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~/bin# cp --version |
| 21:26.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | cp (GNU coreutils) 8.4 |
| 21:26.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl, afk |
| 21:33.48 | Lava_Croft | dont think your led works that well! |
| 21:33.54 | Lava_Croft | copying a file did not make it light up |
| 21:34.07 | Lava_Croft | well, your 'code' or my insertion |
| 21:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think each keypress causes a mce event that might reset it. To be investigated further |
| 21:36.23 | Lava_Croft | wauw |
| 21:36.33 | Lava_Croft | and here i thought that idea was crazy, haha |
| 21:36.41 | Lava_Croft | since it does seem to cancel it upon any keypress |
| 21:36.44 | Lava_Croft | or just about anything else |
| 21:36.51 | Lava_Croft | still, a valid path to explore |
| 21:36.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could disable mce led plugin all together, even when this probably also has impact on kbd backlight |
| 21:37.09 | Lava_Croft | yeah, thats not really needed for now |
| 21:37.15 | Lava_Croft | im sure there can/will be a workaround |
| 21:48.48 | Lava_Croft | its amazing how Apple can make a 2h presentation and show nothing really new and everybody is cheering |
| 21:49.02 | Lava_Croft | while ELop shows off quite impressive camera tech and im just yawning |
| 21:50.51 | Lava_Croft | most of the Nokia Pro Cam stuff is already pretty normal for n900 users |
| 21:51.57 | Lava_Croft | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=M_Q3bxo7vJI#t=1548s |
| 21:52.02 | Lava_Croft | thats neato |
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| 22:14.26 | ecc3g | how many cell phones out there have xenon discharge flashes nowadays? |
| 22:15.53 | Lava_Croft | no clue, but its normal to bring standard features as if they are special |
| 22:17.04 | ecc3g | It does make a big difference in low light photography... but it eats battery... |
| 22:18.28 | Lava_Croft | well, friend of mine has that other lumia with the neat low-light ability |
| 22:18.32 | Lava_Croft | it's quite impressive |
| 22:18.43 | Lava_Croft | too bad thats about the only thing thats neat about t |
| 22:18.45 | Lava_Croft | it* |
| 22:18.59 | ecc3g | probably. |
| 22:19.08 | Lava_Croft | almost bought a 808 the other day, but decided 527euros is still a bit much :P |
| 22:19.40 | ecc3g | just that you can't use your phone as a flashlight anymore :o |
| 22:19.42 | ecc3g | hehe |
| 22:20.11 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 22:20.44 | ecc3g | I wonder if it's possible to upgrade the N900's LEDs with a higher efficiency/higher wattage LED. |
| 22:20.56 | Lava_Croft | hm, probably not, since that would draw more power |
| 22:21.02 | Lava_Croft | im fairly sure that stuff is fairly tight |
| 22:21.13 | Lava_Croft | and i used the fairly twice in a single sentence, so \o/ |
| 22:22.06 | ecc3g | some of those 1W LEDs are really bright, I should check the luminosity of the built-in LEDs... |
| 22:22.21 | ecc3g | then again, they are fairly bright when used as a flashlight as they are. |
| 22:22.49 | Lava_Croft | yeah, and getting the flashlight on is actually easier on n900 than on n9 |
| 22:22.56 | Lava_Croft | at least the way i do it |
| 22:23.06 | Lava_Croft | so i end up using the n900 as flashlight all the time:P |
| 22:23.20 | ecc3g | actually a 1W LED should still last a while on a bl5j |
| 22:24.17 | ecc3g | then again the LEDs may already be close to 1W as they are... |
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| 22:25.51 | Lava_Croft | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch |
| 22:27.55 | ecc3g | hmm 320mA =~ 1W, they might well be 1W LED units |
| 22:28.05 | ecc3g | w/o heatsink |
| 22:28.33 | ecc3g | the dies look very small for 1W but might just be due to the lens |
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| 22:31.28 | Lava_Croft | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO7PyjpCIAA6hsP.jpg:large :) |
| 22:31.54 | Lava_Croft | the only thing keeping the right iphone from not falling apart into glass shards is the cae |
| 22:31.57 | Lava_Croft | case* |
| 22:52.23 | ecc3g | hmm... I really wonder why people like showing off their broken iphones,... it screams "idiot" to me... |
| 22:53.38 | Lava_Croft | this is even worse |
| 22:53.45 | Lava_Croft | this is the woman's 9th iphone |
| 22:53.53 | ecc3g | ouch. |
| 22:53.58 | Lava_Croft | she cant get a new one because the insurance company finally said 'screw you' |
| 22:54.07 | Lava_Croft | the left one is my wife's |
| 22:54.32 | ecc3g | need to figure out how to take care of them. |
| 22:54.39 | Lava_Croft | like just not dropping them i guess |
| 22:54.51 | ecc3g | something like that. |
| 22:54.54 | Lava_Croft | my wife's dropped quite a few times, it has just a few little dents in the aluminium band |
| 22:55.03 | Lava_Croft | so i dont know what some people do to it! |
| 22:55.35 | ecc3g | shit happens... but... why show off a broken iphone |
| 22:55.55 | Lava_Croft | its power reflected in vanity! |
| 22:56.46 | ecc3g | honestly I don't even recognize iphones, heh. I would have just passed it off as "phone X" if you haven't told me... |
| 22:56.59 | Lava_Croft | oh, its easily recognizable as an iphone |
| 22:57.34 | Lava_Croft | but i see that iphone4 every day, so im probably rather biased:) |
| 22:58.37 | ecc3g | now... a broken n900... time to mourn. heh |
| 22:59.33 | Lava_Croft | ill mourn when its dead, broken can be repaired |
| 22:59.53 | ecc3g | heeh |
| 23:01.00 | ecc3g | unlike iphones, the number of n900s out there can only go down :( |
| 23:01.06 | Lava_Croft | sadly, yes |
| 23:02.54 | ecc3g | I dropped my n900 a few days ago onto concrete, my heart stopped, fortunately it was only a foot or so, and it's still working OK... |
| 23:03.05 | Lava_Croft | dont speak of such things, its awful |
| 23:03.10 | ecc3g | no cracks fortunately |
| 23:03.12 | Lava_Croft | you get near-heart attacks all the time |
| 23:03.15 | ecc3g | I shouldn't. :( |
| 23:03.21 | Lava_Croft | everytime it moves in a direction i dont want to, i go aaah |
| 23:03.27 | Lava_Croft | its silly, for a dumb computer |
| 23:03.40 | Lava_Croft | well, i shout aaah from my mind's mouth:P |
| 23:03.49 | ecc3g | true... dumb computer that has no replacement other than itself... |
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| 23:22.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, don't sit on it. that's what most of those "broke my iphone" dudes prolly do |
| 23:26.37 | ecc3g | how many n900s have succumbed to back pocket forgetfulness? |
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