| 00:00.18 | ecc2g | how bad is clock drift? (I don't know, I have mine synced with GSM provider) |
| 00:01.23 | ecc2g | or do you mean cpu clock speed drift? |
| 00:02.28 | merlin1991 | ecc2g: my gsm provider does not provide the time signal, in a month the n900 usually would drift about 2 mins |
| 00:04.14 | SpeedEvil | There are a number of ntp packages |
| 00:04.37 | ecc2g | I guess it's unit specific too... 2 mins/month isn't way too bad, I'm forced to NTP on my server- I lose about 30 seconds/day. |
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| 00:21.53 | SpeedEvil | I have it intalled as my backup battery is dead |
| 00:21.58 | SpeedEvil | and it loses time |
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| 00:54.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ecc2g: for your server you might want to look into man hwclock |
| 00:55.12 | ecc2g | oddly enough both the RTC and the software clock drift |
| 00:55.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ecc2g: system clock often is worse than cmos clock aka RTC |
| 00:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and hwclock has a means to comnpensate for systematic drift of RTC |
| 00:56.02 | SpeedEvil | wishes that the Rb clock modules on ebay hadn't risen in price. |
| 00:56.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | you just *never* must do a hwclock --systohc, when you didn't adjust sysclock to a higer stratum immediately before |
| 00:57.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Rb? Dallas? |
| 00:57.17 | SpeedEvil | Rubidium |
| 00:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of |
| 00:57.49 | ecc2g | smaller than a Cs clock? |
| 00:57.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki rubidium |
| 00:57.58 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FE-5680A-Rubidium-Atomic-Frequency-Standard-Oscillator-Transceivers-10Mhz-Out-UK-/280917716502?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item4168002e16 |
| 00:59.23 | nox- | SpeedEvil, just use gpsrecorder, it sets the clock from gps |
| 00:59.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, so same as dcf77 |
| 01:00.00 | SpeedEvil | Sort of. |
| 01:00.16 | SpeedEvil | Not for n900. |
| 01:00.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCF77 |
| 01:02.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCF77#Reception_area |
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| 01:03.20 | nox- | yeah gps is available in more places than dcf77 |
| 01:04.00 | ecc2g | That Rb clock unit actually has the Rb in it... unlike WWVB/DCF77/GPS... ? |
| 01:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: really? |
| 01:04.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: GPS has a pretty hard time indoors |
| 01:05.09 | SpeedEvil | I was sort-of-pondering, with them at half this price - making a little SDR module clocked with the Rb clock - to do position determination of floating balloons. |
| 01:05.18 | nox- | DocScrutinizer05, hmmmm.... |
| 01:05.22 | SpeedEvil | From CW, or near CW signals. |
| 01:05.57 | SpeedEvil | These are pulls from mobile phone equipment of some sort. |
| 01:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ecc2g: what? |
| 01:09.47 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer05: This is a primary standard - it does not use radio. |
| 01:11.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, incredible |
| 01:11.04 | ecc2g | yeah,,, wwvb/dcf77/gps needs radio... I'm surprised there is a way to measure the oscillation in such a small package unlike Cs |
| 01:13.07 | SpeedEvil | ecc2g: mikeselectricstuff on youtube does a nice teardown of these |
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| 03:02.10 | mickael | hello |
| 03:03.12 | mickael | I was coming to my problem ssu button "reboot device" |
| 03:03.59 | mickael | action after push button reboot devise with ssu application |
| 03:04.10 | mickael | http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1373338899.png |
| 03:04.35 | mickael | have you meet this problem |
| 03:04.38 | mickael | ? |
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| 03:07.53 | mickael | to see this button, press the power button on the n900, ssu and choose the application and look in the parameter there is a "reboot devices" button and after the restart I no more character |
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| 04:22.58 | Shapeshifter | Now I have yet another problem... modest claims 'device storage full. remove data to free memory' even though there are 10G free on mydocs, 790M on opt, 148M on /... |
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| 04:35.50 | Shapeshifter | And HAM doesn't show catalogues anymore. what a mess... |
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| 04:46.11 | ShadowJK | fs broken, probably went read-only |
| 04:51.33 | Shapeshifter | fs? hw or sw? |
| 04:53.55 | Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: in any case, I can still create files on all fs |
| 04:54.16 | Shapeshifter | I also checked for inode limits |
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| 06:58.45 | r00t^home | Shapeshifter: i found that too, modest's database is rather fragile... it appears to consist of a memory-mapped file with raw C data structures in it... |
| 06:59.13 | r00t^home | Shapeshifter: and also, maemo will never check or repair the filesystem if it's broken... yay... |
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| 06:59.21 | r00t^home | Shapeshifter: check dmesg for fs errors, reflash... |
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| 07:04.35 | japa-fi | my N900 messed up it's /home fs couple of a weeks ago. It happened during regular day, just noticed that I could not browse any of the photos I had taken. Restarted phone and nothing worked properly after that point. Tried to fsck the /home, but there was always some process locking the fs, so I ended up reflashing. |
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| 07:07.48 | jpinx | japa-fi: run out of space ? |
| 07:08.51 | japa-fi | jpinx, I don't think so. I did have space on /home. well, at least on MyDocs and I had not done any installing lately |
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| 07:09.03 | japa-fi | Don't have that many items installed anyway |
| 07:10.07 | jpinx | only asking because I almost borked my n900 by taking too many movies ;) |
| 07:11.46 | japa-fi | my current /home has 1500megs (80%) available, /home/MyDocs lot more. |
| 07:13.01 | japa-fi | I did have extended call log -software set to store quite bit of call information, so in theory it could have filled up the filespace, but even getting filesystem full don't result to corrupted fs. or does it? |
| 07:14.23 | japa-fi | Aside the pain of loosing some contact information and some photos I thought I would not think of worth anything, I'm kind of happy that I have now reflashed my phone. |
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| 07:15.24 | japa-fi | Because it made me aware of backup menu, I now have latest stable kernel-power (might not had that version prior), have teetian and in general the phone is in good shape without software rot |
| 07:15.38 | japa-fi | If I could just get the blessN900 work.. |
| 07:18.58 | psycho_oreos | I thought BackupMenu has ways to allow one to fsck those other partitions that one cannot fsck whilst running the device normally. |
| 07:19.38 | japa-fi | psycho_oreos, Yes, I didn't have backup menu prior to my crash. It would have saved my butt.. |
| 07:21.33 | psycho_oreos | Looking at "mount" command, it seems that /home is mounted as ext3. I don't think ext3 would normally corrupt data when the partition is already full and there's more data to be inserted. I think the loss of power would be one of the cases that would result in dirty filesystem. |
| 07:21.52 | japa-fi | Kind of irony: at home I have a NAS where I store my stuff (pictures, docs etc). The NAS has 2 drives, one being master, on which an incremental backup is made on daily basis to the slave. On top of that I rsync the contents to a hosted server (which has it's own backups etc). Yet I had no backup strategy for my phone.. |
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| 07:22.54 | japa-fi | psycho_oreos, Yeah, my experiences with ext3 (and ext4) with linux is that it's very difficult to get it corrupted. |
| 07:23.22 | psycho_oreos | I rememeber when my /home was full (because ironically my /opt was full and needed to move some more stuff into /home/user/MyDocs and /home/user/MyDocs is formatted as ext3 mind you). I couldn't add a new contact, it kept giving me error about unable to store the new contact. |
| 07:24.39 | psycho_oreos | heh, you learn that a backup strategy would be ideal for devices/smartphones. I guess N900 sort of paved in that way first, especially when tinkering. |
| 07:25.07 | psycho_oreos | japa-fi, yeah so I wouldn't personally rule out ext3 to get corrupted when its already full. |
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| 07:25.50 | psycho_oreos | ext4 had issues with large files but that was addressed to years ago. |
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| 07:27.22 | japa-fi | /dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="Nokia N900" UUID="4BB1-E781" TYPE="vfat" <-- MyDocs is fat by default |
| 07:27.30 | psycho_oreos | BlessN900 is also broken on my setup, I am unsure what broke it but I guess I could look into it. |
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| 07:28.09 | psycho_oreos | Yeah its FAT32 by default is for compatibility on many scales. Though I deliberately made mine ext3 for various reasons that suits me. |
| 07:28.17 | japa-fi | psycho_oreos, BlessN900 and kernel power have something against each other. Removed blessn900 to be able to take images (and scan QR codes) |
| 07:29.44 | psycho_oreos | japa-fi, When you had BlessN900 installed and kernel-power you couldn't use any other camera programs to take photos or scan QR codes? o.O hmmm I guess I'll need to look into that. I have BlessN900 installed but I think camera program was still working (except for BlessN900 of course). |
| 07:31.06 | japa-fi | psycho_oreos, Yes. Having blessN900+kernel power, I could not start the regular camera app. I could not start the mbarcode application, nor blessN900 itself. They would crash prior finnishing loading. |
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| 07:34.16 | psycho_oreos | japa-fi, I just took a random photo out of curiousity. Running the latest kp42 here and also have BlessN900 installed. The normal camera app still allows me to take photos, it also stores the photos properly as well it seems. |
| 07:37.54 | psycho_oreos | FCam seems to be borked on my end, it can take photos but it won't store them. mBarcode works currently with those standard barcodes, I haven't tested QR codes yet. |
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| 07:39.54 | psycho_oreos | QR code is working, just tested on a random QR code. I guess being able to scan for QR code or those standard barcode works is kinda moot if it already could sense the standard barcode already. |
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| 08:01.08 | japa-fi | psycho_oreos, Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power50 |
| 08:01.53 | psycho_oreos | japa-fi, Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power52 #1 PREEMPT Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 08:02.13 | japa-fi | Is that dev version? |
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| 08:02.40 | psycho_oreos | Not that I would know having kp52 would necessarily fix anything, I got some errors whilst running blessn900, but the output isn't useful. FCam doesn't seem to report decent errors. |
| 08:03.00 | psycho_oreos | I think so, not too sure. I usually have extras-devel enabled on my device :) |
| 08:04.03 | japa-fi | Any strange reboots / shutdowns? |
| 08:05.18 | japa-fi | Prior my reflashing I had somewhat unstable phone, couple of times a week it would have just turned off unexpectedly which I would only notice after the thing had happened. ("No wonder I got no calls") |
| 08:05.57 | psycho_oreos | No strange reboots/shutdowns to my knowledge, though ymmv. |
| 08:09.03 | psycho_oreos | http://privatepaste.com/73968692b0 <-- output of blessn900 from console. Notice how it keeps on saying failed to open panel socket, that was happening right throughout when I was trying to look for a random photo to take and trying to kill cameraui launcher app. |
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| 08:16.45 | japa-fi | psycho_oreos, how do I see my apt-get history? |
| 08:17.11 | japa-fi | With yum i'd do: yum histoy |
| 08:18.30 | psycho_oreos | japa-fi, that I wouldn't know :) |
| 08:18.54 | psycho_oreos | I guess if you still keep the debs of installed files you could probably check the mtime on them. |
| 08:19.48 | wnd | I have no idea what "yum history" does, but on your standard debian installation you'd have /var/log/dpkg.log and more stuff under /var/log/apt |
| 08:21.08 | japa-fi | yum history example: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/23874/58051137 |
| 08:22.21 | japa-fi | yum history info ## (## is number) will give more details on the transaction |
| 08:23.08 | wnd | dpkg.log would be the closest match that I'm aware of. feel free to write a parser that produces something similar. |
| 08:23.26 | japa-fi | Nokia-N900:~# /opt/blessn900/blessn900 |
| 08:23.26 | japa-fi | Could not parse application stylesheet |
| 08:23.26 | japa-fi | Cannot open '/dev/video0': 2, No such file or directory |
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| 08:24.23 | wnd | actually, /var/log/apt/history.log might be better for quick review |
| 08:24.29 | psycho_oreos | Yeah you have a completely different error. Though the error seems to do with the missing libs or something. |
| 08:25.17 | japa-fi | installing blessN900 pulls fcam_drivers with it. I wonder if there still is a version issue. What is your fcam_drivers version? |
| 08:25.47 | japa-fi | (and how do I list mine from command line, withtou the GUI) |
| 08:25.55 | psycho_oreos | 1.0.7-2 |
| 08:26.03 | psycho_oreos | dpkg -l| grep fcam |
| 08:26.28 | psycho_oreos | wnd seems to be on the money there with /var/log/apt/history.log. I googled and haven't found a better alternative. |
| 08:28.18 | japa-fi | fcam-drivers 1.0.6-1 |
| 08:28.54 | psycho_oreos | Possibly a little outdated I suppose, then again I really don't know if updating fcam-drivers would honestly help. |
| 08:30.04 | psycho_oreos | I mean FCam on my end can see whatever the camera can see, it can take photos but it cannot store them. There's no meaningful error output from FCam when ran in terminal and I haven't bothered stringing it yet. |
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| 08:33.44 | japa-fi | Enabled extras-devel and updated fcam_drivers. Now restarting.. |
| 08:41.33 | japa-fi | Whoppee, works. http://tinypic.com/m/fx84n7/3 <-- regular cam would have missed the shadows or burned the highlights |
| 08:46.08 | rikanee | japa-fi: BlessN900 makes the blue vignetting on the N900 really obvious though :( |
| 08:46.40 | rikanee | also, probably belongs on #harmattan, but the N9 has a really strong fisheye effect. |
| 08:50.16 | psycho_oreos | japa-fi, you took that photo with FCam not long ago right? I just realised why FCam wasn't saving.. the actual cause was most likely because /home/user/MyDocs/FCamera isn't in trackerd's config or something. I can see all those photos that I took lol. |
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| 08:50.45 | japa-fi | psycho_oreos, Taken: 2013:07:09 11:39:49 |
| 08:50.52 | japa-fi | It's now 11:50 here :) |
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| 08:51.27 | psycho_oreos | Ahh yeah, definitely just now. So FCam works but not blessn900, hmm. |
| 08:53.01 | japa-fi | blessn900 0.49-4 |
| 08:53.05 | psycho_oreos | rebuilds tracker database. |
| 08:53.31 | psycho_oreos | Same version as yours. |
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| 08:55.30 | psycho_oreos | I wonder if fcam-drivers are really needed anymore since kp52. I thought FCam wasn't working so I started diving in and did up a nasty hack by symlinking the installed kp modules (by fcam-drivers package) with the latest kp bundled files. FCam still works apparently. |
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| 08:58.26 | psycho_oreos | Wait.. what.. I just noticed there was EXIF data and you have blessn900 working? o.O |
| 08:59.10 | japa-fi | psycho_oreos, yes. installing the updated fcam_drivers from etras-devel did the trick |
| 08:59.51 | rikanee | IIRC, the default cam driver does post processing for camera-ui only, and can't do anything fancy, so fcam-drivers will always be needed. |
| 09:00.06 | psycho_oreos | japa-fi, funnily enough it doesn't work for me. I'll try reinstalling I suppose after tracker-{indexer,extract} finishes doing rebuilding of db. |
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| 09:01.14 | psycho_oreos | Yeah though in my case I already have fcam-drivers installed and when I load up blessn900 it freezes at the camera screen, showing nothing at all. |
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| 10:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~uptime |
| 10:21.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime |
| 10:22.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~battery |
| 10:22.27 | infobot | well, battery is made by Danionics http://www.danionics.com/products/icphh02.asp, or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/questions.html#AEN744 |
| 10:22.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 10:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys battery |
| 10:23.16 | kerio | ~useless |
| 10:23.16 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from kerio in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
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| 10:27.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 10:27.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~battery disconnect switch |
| 10:27.32 | infobot | ACTION powers off, forgetting all of his factoids. |
| 10:28.19 | kerio | wut |
| 10:28.21 | kerio | ~useless |
| 10:28.22 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from kerio in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 10:28.26 | kerio | ok, that still works |
| 10:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 |
| 10:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~batterytest is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 |
| 10:31.15 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 10:41.32 | japa-fi | Ref: batteries. I have quite new Nokia battery, yet it no longer charges more than ~80% (1100mhA as reported by some battery widget) |
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| 10:43.01 | kerio | "some battery widget" |
| 10:43.04 | kerio | do a calibration |
| 10:43.43 | japa-fi | Ah, it was qtbatterywidget |
| 10:44.15 | kerio | have you made a bq27k calibration cycle? |
| 10:45.07 | japa-fi | goes to https://www.google.com/search?q=bq27k+calibration+cycle&ie=utf-8& ... |
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| 10:46.10 | Lava_Croft | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 |
| 10:49.21 | japa-fi | I found http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1247595&postcount=1369 |
| 10:53.52 | japa-fi | "Remember that regular USB ports current limit is 500 mAh, and charge.sh use 1050 mA (charge21.sh 950 mA)." |
| 10:54.24 | japa-fi | I was under the impression that one can't get more than 500mA from USB unless the device specifically negotiates/requests it |
| 10:56.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't negotiate >500mA, per USB specs |
| 10:57.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not even the range of the value allows it, it's a byte*4mA iirc) |
| 10:57.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even *2mA |
| 10:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | (unsigned) |
| 10:59.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-calibration is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1247595#post1247595 |
| 10:59.41 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 11:03.22 | japa-fi | for the discharging: Should I just leave the display on, or additionally have some nasty webpage in Opera. Those seem to drain the CPU quite fast? |
| 11:03.56 | Lava_Croft | read what the post you linked says |
| 11:04.18 | japa-fi | tells to discharge the battery... |
| 11:04.24 | Lava_Croft | "For proper unattended discharging/calibrating during you're asleep in the night, you want to set screen backlight to 'always on' and level 5 (will result in discharge during ~4h). " |
| 11:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | japa-fi: that depends on what you want to achieve |
| 11:04.38 | Lava_Croft | i dont know if this works while sleeping during daytime |
| 11:06.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the calibration result will vary depending on how hard to discharge the battery, 100% accurate calibration only for usage pattern that's similar to your calibration scenario |
| 11:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | higher load results in lower tested battery capacity |
| 11:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously higher load also results in faster calibration since discharge phase takes shorter ;-) |
| 11:07.35 | japa-fi | How do I set the screen backlight "always on"? I can select only up to 2 minutes |
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| 11:08.39 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: so the proper way to discharge is via "slow drip" to avoid dropping battery voltage too fast? |
| 11:09.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a rule of thumb you might discharge a battery to a nominal measured capacity of 1600mAh when device sits in standby idle with drawing only 10mA (takes 160h then), while with brute force discharge you meter same cell at only 1200mAh (discharge takes 2h then) |
| 11:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | japa-fi: I use simple brightness applet for that. Indispensible applet |
| 11:10.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: depends on what you want to calibrate to |
| 11:10.35 | japa-fi | Perhaps I'll start by using the battery to halfway before going to the test process.. |
| 11:10.37 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer05: 'you can't negotiate' - A USB2 peripheral can speak USB1, and use features not present in the USB1 standard - like class devices say. If you update the firmware on your USB2 device to say it's USB3, can you then if plgugged into a USB3 socket do 900mA? |
| 11:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: cell behave different to each other, when you compare ratio between fast and slow discharge |
| 11:11.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: I have no faintest idea |
| 11:11.34 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly |
| 11:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | japa-fi: the calibration script starts by *charging* the battery! |
| 11:12.22 | SpeedEvil | In principle, I should read the US2 spec |
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| 11:12.27 | SpeedEvil | USB3 |
| 11:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I didn't yet |
| 11:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | japa-fi: so the best way to use my calibration script is to plug in the device to fastcharger when you "come home", and then simply start the script. You'll find your device fully charged after some hours longer than usually needed for normal charging, but calibrated bq27k |
| 11:15.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | however keep in mind that bq27k is NOT used by "normal" (HAL/bme-based) battery meters |
| 11:17.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | so unless you use bq27200.sh or bq27k-detail.sh or one of the more nifty GUI meters that are based on bq27* I2C-get or kernel drivers (only available in KP), you won't see a difference |
| 11:18.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k |
| 11:18.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail |
| 11:18.38 | infobot | i heard bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 11:19.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27200 |
| 11:19.03 | infobot | hmm... bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 11:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 11:20.25 | japa-fi | DocScrutinizer05, any nifty gui meters that you could recomend? |
| 11:20.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^^ |
| 11:20.35 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: my battery is 1600mAh at a ~200mA constant draw |
| 11:20.38 | kerio | ^_^ |
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| 11:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: that's pretty good |
| 11:21.04 | kerio | it was 1400mAh during the winter, though |
| 11:21.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | as a general rule those cells that have higher capacity also lose more of the available capacity on fast discharge |
| 11:21.46 | kerio | i wonder if the 1700mAh rating was done through a very slow discharge |
| 11:22.00 | japa-fi | In the settings window you can choose the informations to display, the type of percentage (module bq27x00, standard or dr_frost_dk based on his battery meter widget), the percentage style (graphical, standard progressbar or textual) and the widget opacity. |
| 11:22.08 | japa-fi | I guess I had one already :--) |
| 11:22.20 | kerio | almost suggests the whole bme replacement thing |
| 11:22.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | 10mA/500mA: 1100mAh-cell: 1100mAh/1000mAh 1600mAh-cell: 1600mAh/1150mAh |
| 11:23.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: generally those ratings are *supposed* to be made at (iirc) C/10 |
| 11:23.53 | kerio | yeah but it's a chinese battery :) |
| 11:23.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 11:24.07 | kerio | i want to believe that they didn't outright lie |
| 11:24.12 | kerio | they just obfuscated the truth |
| 11:24.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | at 1mA you can probably push a 1300mAh cell to 2200mAh |
| 11:24.29 | kerio | unlike those 2700mAh "high capacity" batteries that end up being 800 |
| 11:24.35 | kerio | mh, neat |
| 11:24.46 | kerio | you can't quite do that on a n900 though |
| 11:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | right |
| 11:25.02 | kerio | the absolute lowest i managed to get was like 8mA |
| 11:25.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you parallel 30 or 40 of those cells ;-P Now THAT would be a nice mugen cover XP |
| 11:27.24 | kerio | i wonder why they always pair two bl-5js |
| 11:27.31 | kerio | instead of a bl-5j and a slightly bigger battery |
| 11:27.41 | kerio | because of balancing issues of some sorts? |
| 11:27.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally the higher the capacity of a given formfactor cell, the higher the ESR. And a higher ESR causes higher loss on high discharge current, while on very low discharge current ESR is mostly irrelevant |
| 11:28.19 | kerio | it seems counterintuitive though |
| 11:28.32 | kerio | is that effect big enough to offset having a higher capacity? |
| 11:28.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it's very plausible |
| 11:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, it usually isn't offsetting your higher capacity, until you trip a certain discharge current threshold |
| 11:30.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | (ESR) the higher the capacity, the thinner are your anodes to achieve larger active surface. Thinner annode means higher ESR |
| 11:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | (simplified picture) |
| 11:31.17 | kerio | so there's nothing more to battery design? |
| 11:31.32 | kerio | every li-ion is just the same thing with slightly different parameters? |
| 11:32.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, basically that's it |
| 11:32.49 | kerio | pff, EE is easy |
| 11:32.51 | kerio | :P |
| 11:33.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | with same cell chemistry all cells are somewhat alike, just changing parameters like surface structure and thickness of anodes, minor tweaks to electrolyte, etc |
| 11:33.46 | japa-fi | I'm missing the module bq27x00 for the qtbatterywidget :( |
| 11:34.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | japa-fi: this module comes with KP |
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| 11:34.46 | japa-fi | DocScrutinizer05, enabled by default? |
| 11:34.50 | japa-fi | (I have kp50) |
| 11:35.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's deprecated since it causes bme to segfault on restarts |
| 11:35.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus it's blacklisted in KP49+ |
| 11:38.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | japa-fi: find a battery meter app that uses I2Cget, this will work on all systems *except* those with bq27x00 kernel module loaded |
| 11:39.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | bq27x00 module MUST stay blacklisted unless you take special care about bme, possibly even completely replacing it, or making sure that bme always gets started when bq27x00 module is UNLOADED |
| 11:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | since bq27x00 module makes bme segfault on startup, and that causes even bootloops |
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| 11:41.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure it's basically fremantle's/bme's fault, but for standard fremantle systems the standard bq27x00 module is forbidden |
| 11:42.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's incompatible |
| 11:42.08 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: bme proprietary? |
| 11:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | bme is a closed blob, yes |
| 11:42.46 | jon_y | hmm, that sucks |
| 11:42.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it uses direct /dev/i2c access to bq27200 chip |
| 11:43.29 | jon_y | as in open()? |
| 11:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | bq27x00 module exclusively locks that /dev/i2c permanently and thus bme when trying to open it -> segfault |
| 11:44.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sime nifty fool added a botch to kp<48 to *globally* *disable* locking :-O |
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| 11:45.01 | kerio | bme sucks, yeah |
| 11:45.25 | kerio | a segfault is as far as you can get from a graceful failure, really |
| 11:45.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | resulted in bme not segfaulting on trying to open 7dev/i2c when bq27x00 module loaded, but it might cause collisions on i2c bus resulting in arbitrary stuff in hardware emitting blue magic smoke |
| 11:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: for bme it doesn't matter *how* it quits. DSME will reboot the device anyway ;-P |
| 11:48.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | resulting in our beloved bootloop when you un-blacklist bq27x00 module |
| 11:48.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you tweak initscripts really hard to not even try to start bme via dsmetool |
| 11:49.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | even then you're fscked since no more charging, which pretty much defeats any reasonable purpose of bq27x00 module ;-P |
| 11:50.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, bottomline: bq27x00 module is useful *only* for bme-replacement |
| 11:51.06 | jon_y | put a dummy bme module? |
| 11:51.15 | kerio | bme is not a module |
| 11:51.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even then it's pathetic afaik, by not exposing all the info from bq27200 chip, and mangling other info fubar |
| 11:51.36 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: otoh, usb host mode with battery indicator and stuff |
| 11:51.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: you could do that, but then you lose charging |
| 11:52.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: sigh |
| 11:52.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, hostmode immanetly garbles battery meter, since it also needs to stop bme |
| 11:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you can't do much about that unless you replace hald-addon-bme by sth that doesn't mind bme not running |
| 11:53.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is what pali's bme-replacement is all about, basically |
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| 11:54.10 | kerio | yep |
| 11:54.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | or at least it's the crux of that bme-replacement project |
| 11:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, on a stack-pop back to last night: the 1/3 blackout was for all houses on left side of my street. The energy company didn't know about any such problem until this morning ;-P |
| 11:57.12 | jon_y | heh, reminds me when the cell towers were out once |
| 11:57.21 | jon_y | nobody could call the cell provider :) |
| 11:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders what galaxy his neighbours are from, that not a single one of several dozen houses with several flats each noticed the problem until 8h after it happened |
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| 11:58.05 | jon_y | I don't know what insanity happened but the service provider went black on the whole country |
| 11:58.06 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: wow, 8h to fix a blackout? |
| 11:58.49 | jon_y | about blackouts |
| 11:58.58 | jon_y | I had one that was 2 days long :| |
| 11:59.15 | jon_y | it isn't that bad now |
| 11:59.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | even more exciting: when I opened the warm water tap in my bathroom (24kW heater), my bathroom light went on, for a short while and dim. Now I assume that also "the bathroom light" of 2 dozen other hoeses' flats went on same time :-o |
| 12:00.11 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: you live in a place with winter? |
| 12:00.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:00.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | not now though |
| 12:00.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, we have winters here |
| 12:00.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | during December |
| 12:01.04 | jon_y | ok, I have not seen warm water taps around |
| 12:01.11 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are you kidding me |
| 12:01.16 | jon_y | except when I travel to countries further north |
| 12:01.17 | kerio | germany is cold all the fucking time |
| 12:01.27 | jaska | hah |
| 12:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~weather EDDN |
| 12:01.48 | jaska | ~weather efva |
| 12:01.48 | kerio | 26 C |
| 12:02.04 | jon_y | 26C is kind of nice, isn't it? |
| 12:02.06 | kerio | my A/C is currently at 27 |
| 12:02.15 | jaska | 26c is a bit too hot |
| 12:02.22 | jon_y | really? |
| 12:02.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, I should close the windows |
| 12:02.37 | jon_y | average around 30s here in the noon |
| 12:02.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops, already closed |
| 12:02.58 | jon_y | STAY IN DOORS, you are not supposed to weather the sun |
| 12:03.00 | merlin1991 | I'm just waiting for the 32 to come here again |
| 12:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: I can see why you don't have warn errr cold water taps |
| 12:03.22 | merlin1991 | yay for vienna where the temperature goes between -10 and +34 each year :D |
| 12:03.35 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: just a single tap :) |
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| 12:03.57 | jon_y | some places have warm/cold taps, but they really connect to the same pipes |
| 12:04.00 | jaska | it goes between -35 +30 here |
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| 12:04.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably you're happy when the water is less than 25°C |
| 12:04.14 | rikanee | 26C, hot? |
| 12:04.16 | rikanee | jeez. |
| 12:04.24 | jaska | -40 some years |
| 12:04.28 | rikanee | 32-35C @ ~100% humidity. |
| 12:04.33 | jon_y | 25 water is COLD for me |
| 12:04.34 | merlin1991 | okay jaska, you win :D |
| 12:05.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | check out Moskow |
| 12:05.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | -45 to +40 iirc |
| 12:05.20 | jon_y | btw, I saw something perculiar today, a C++ programmer called assembly listing "bytecode" |
| 12:05.24 | jon_y | wtf bytecode?? |
| 12:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | moron |
| 12:05.49 | jon_y | supposedly a C++11 lecturer |
| 12:06.06 | kerio | it's code, and it's made of bytes! |
| 12:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | like C++ |
| 12:06.28 | jon_y | I tend to think interpreters and VMs when bytecode comes in |
| 12:06.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and rightly so |
| 12:07.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | bytecode is close to P-code |
| 12:07.06 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but you can't be certain that a text file is valid c++ |
| 12:07.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | in _my_ semantics |
| 12:07.15 | jon_y | also, int i; sizeof(i) <- runtime object information <-wtf?? |
| 12:07.40 | jon_y | man, I don't even know wtf |
| 12:07.41 | kerio | which is my favourite c++ horror |
| 12:08.00 | jon_y | C does that, and it sure as hell is compile time |
| 12:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 12:08.28 | kerio | sizeof becomes runtime on stuff like VLAs |
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| 12:08.34 | kerio | but that's also in C99, iirc |
| 12:09.06 | jon_y | hmm I never tried sizeof on VLAs |
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| 12:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | giggles at c++ coders breaking their fingers and screwing their brain trying to code assembler level stuff in c++ |
| 12:10.09 | jon_y | he actually did |
| 12:10.19 | jon_y | with objdump |
| 12:10.54 | jon_y | which he calls the disassembly code as bytecode |
| 12:11.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it usually goes like "well, MY compiler does late binding there" "but the microsoft compiler does early binding" |
| 12:12.14 | jon_y | hmm, sizeof is still compile time with vla |
| 12:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it a bless to always use the exactly right tool for the task at hand? ;-P |
| 12:12.33 | jon_y | int a[argc] says sizeof(a) is 4 |
| 12:13.36 | jon_y | man, I feel almost like an old fart I read his lecture notes |
| 12:14.15 | jon_y | > using short instead of int for returning main() |
| 12:14.20 | kerio | wait, what |
| 12:14.21 | kerio | like |
| 12:14.27 | kerio | short main(int argc, char **argv)? |
| 12:14.39 | kerio | what the FUCK |
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| 12:14.50 | jon_y | int main() {short ret; ... return ret;} |
| 12:15.05 | jon_y | his logic was $? goes only up to 255 |
| 12:15.11 | kerio | oh, meh |
| 12:15.17 | jon_y | facepalm worthy |
| 12:15.19 | kerio | it gets converted to int anyway, doesn't it |
| 12:15.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | is temped to tell that story for the 1000th time, about that guy at Siemens who knew zilch but excel, and he wrote his own excel-based text editor, one char per spreadsheet cell |
| 12:15.44 | jon_y | he says it ended up as an error in gcc C++11 mode |
| 12:16.07 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: wat |
| 12:16.09 | jon_y | text editor in excel... |
| 12:16.12 | kerio | jon_y: return static_cast<int> (ret); |
| 12:16.13 | kerio | :P |
| 12:16.18 | jon_y | :) |
| 12:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | figure: line wrapping. proportional spacing |
| 12:16.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL |
| 12:16.53 | jon_y | btw, C++ is nasty if you want to teach low level stuff |
| 12:16.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ebe s imple insert |
| 12:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | even a simple insert |
| 12:17.14 | kerio | jon_y: C is good enough for that, i guess |
| 12:17.18 | jon_y | try echo '#include <iostream>' | gcc -xc++ - -o- -s -S |
| 12:17.29 | jon_y | iostream needs constructors too |
| 12:17.33 | kerio | malloc() *all* the elements of a linked list! _ò/ |
| 12:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's c++ |
| 12:18.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | refer to qt3-richtext-edit |
| 12:18.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | needed 30 or 40 bytes PER CHAR |
| 12:18.31 | jon_y | kerio: giant single blokc linked list? |
| 12:18.36 | kerio | no, no |
| 12:18.39 | kerio | a malloc() for each element |
| 12:18.40 | jon_y | oh yeah, qt3 was infamous for that |
| 12:18.54 | kerio | because linked lists are great! |
| 12:19.06 | jon_y | ouch |
| 12:19.13 | kerio | tbh, most libcs will probably optimize that kind of stuff |
| 12:19.28 | jon_y | only useful if you really can't know how long the stuff will be |
| 12:19.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and twice as much on destructing the object - MUHAHAHA |
| 12:19.37 | kerio | and optimize malloc($small_value) in some way |
| 12:20.09 | kerio | jon_y: not even that, really |
| 12:20.32 | kerio | auto-incrementing arrays are still amortized O(1) for append |
| 12:20.40 | kerio | so an array-based linked list will still be better |
| 12:20.42 | jon_y | oh you mean STL? |
| 12:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | in twinklephone there been a "watch logs" menu function. For my usual log size of 1..2MB it was a sure way to bring that poor little laptop with its 192MB RAM to a grinding halt |
| 12:21.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you're lying, that's just 80MB |
| 12:21.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: no, you're silly, there was a full KDE3 running as well |
| 12:22.00 | kerio | kde3 on 192MB of ram? D: |
| 12:22.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:22.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | worked |
| 12:22.12 | jon_y | 4GB of swap |
| 12:22.16 | kerio | except when trying to open a 1MB text file |
| 12:22.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | CF-27 |
| 12:22.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | 192MB RAM, P-II-300 |
| 12:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | or was it CF-25? |
| 12:23.00 | kerio | meh, my first computer ever was a 500MHz P3 |
| 12:23.12 | kerio | gets off doc's lawn |
| 12:23.37 | jon_y | too |
| 12:23.44 | jon_y | oh wait |
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| 12:23.54 | jon_y | my first PC was Pentium 133Mhz |
| 12:23.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | my first computer ever was a nascom with a z80 and 4kb of RAM |
| 12:24.15 | jon_y | stays off DocScrutinizer05's lawn now |
| 12:24.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you count the HP25 as a computer |
| 12:24.29 | kerio | did it compute? |
| 12:24.44 | anthonie | DocScrutinizer05: You around, I could use some info on the maemo database, perhaps you could make me a table dump? |
| 12:24.52 | jon_y | do you own a targeting solution calculator? |
| 12:25.06 | kerio | i own a laptop! |
| 12:25.13 | jon_y | mechanical computer for artilleries :) |
| 12:25.20 | kerio | neat |
| 12:25.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: the nascom? sure, did awesome audio-dtmf-decoding, and game-of-life on a 25*48 matrix |
| 12:25.30 | kerio | did it work by firing actual bullets at the enemy? |
| 12:26.02 | jon_y | the mechanical computer? |
| 12:26.05 | kerio | yeah |
| 12:26.11 | kerio | if you hit, you had the correct aim |
| 12:26.14 | jon_y | no, it fired real rounds |
| 12:26.19 | kerio | fine |
| 12:26.24 | jon_y | at aircraft and battleships |
| 12:26.44 | kerio | which ballistic model did it use? |
| 12:26.54 | jon_y | that I have no idea |
| 12:26.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | simplified |
| 12:27.21 | kerio | gravity pulls down, air friction pulls backwards linearly with your speed? |
| 12:27.54 | jon_y | yes |
| 12:28.09 | jon_y | maybe even an idealized model |
| 12:28.18 | jon_y | no air friction :) |
| 12:28.25 | kerio | don't be silly |
| 12:28.30 | kerio | *that* is a significant change |
| 12:28.36 | kerio | otherwise, you just get parabolae |
| 12:28.45 | jon_y | they still needed human crews |
| 12:28.57 | jon_y | so crew experience still count |
| 12:29.14 | jon_y | iirc you could input the wind speed |
| 12:29.26 | jon_y | and direction of course |
| 12:29.27 | kerio | oh right, wind |
| 12:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_(military) |
| 12:30.11 | jon_y | sometimes called firecontrol |
| 12:31.01 | jon_y | these days, even tank crews don't need to fire by eyeballing |
| 12:31.22 | jon_y | set your target and the computer adjusts the gun angle |
| 12:31.52 | merlin1991 | and even compensates for "road" bumps if you move |
| 12:32.34 | jon_y | fire on the move is the in-thing today for tanks |
| 12:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: that's done by an inertial system coupled to the gun |
| 12:34.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | the gun incl targeting system don't even notice there's abump in the street |
| 12:35.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/stree/way/. |
| 12:35.51 | jon_y | that's one smooth ride |
| 12:37.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nascom |
| 12:38.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, only 1kB usable RAM |
| 12:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | too small even for tinybasic |
| 12:39.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't matter, I programmed it in hex |
| 12:40.12 | jon_y | I think some microcontrollers I used still have have hex file uploads |
| 12:40.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still might recall 0xcd call-subroutine and 0xc9 return-from-subroutine |
| 12:40.28 | jon_y | especially the PIC series |
| 12:40.48 | jon_y | yeah, I did PIC16 asm for awhile |
| 12:40.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly I missed |
| 12:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, ~30 years ago |
| 12:41.28 | jon_y | you get a real appreciation for C ABI and stack |
| 12:41.50 | jon_y | then again I was compiling code in my head :) |
| 12:46.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The Nascom computers were very useful for learning about microcomputer hardware and, through complete documentation, also learning system programming. All electronic schematics, datasheets of special components and the complete source code of the monitor were available from the beginning.<< |
| 12:46.48 | psycho_oreos | So much for installing fennec 17 only to have it failing on older libstdc++6. |
| 12:47.02 | jon_y | it was possible to build your own out of PNP/NPN transistors? |
| 12:47.22 | jon_y | or various FET flavors |
| 12:47.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh btw, you heard about it? opera got rooted |
| 12:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | deployed malware |
| 12:47.50 | psycho_oreos | o.O |
| 12:47.56 | jon_y | no, what happened? |
| 12:48.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://my.opera.com/securitygroup/blog/2013/06/26/opera-infrastructure-attack |
| 12:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>This has allowed them to distribute malicious software which incorrectly appears to have been published by Opera Software, or appears to be the Opera browser.<< |
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| 12:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>It is possible that a few thousand Windows users, who were using Opera between 01.00 and 01.36 UTC on June 19th, may automatically have received and installed the malicious software.<< |
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| 12:58.44 | kerio | proprietary software! |
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| 13:12.00 | jon_y | kerio: more like trusted computing |
| 13:12.13 | jon_y | *we* insist this code is for your own good |
| 13:12.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | epic read in the comments anyway |
| 13:13.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and again I think http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif got the point |
| 13:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | almost at least |
| 13:14.49 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: you aren't supposed to fix it |
| 13:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry to pester you with nonsense about WINDOWS program security vulnerabilities, anyway |
| 13:14.56 | jon_y | you are supposed to buy a new one! :) |
| 13:15.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: people want to use opera on all sorts of OSes |
| 13:15.22 | jon_y | I had a colleague that came in favor of consumerism |
| 13:15.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | CBA about windoze, soory a lot |
| 13:15.44 | jon_y | if only I was awash with money as those capitalists |
| 13:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | now ponders what's to be done about sustained security of maemo.org infra, assuming some of our sysops/maintainers *might* have windows devices that got compromised and ftp et al passwords stolen |
| 13:21.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably check logs and nuke accounts of every maintainer using windows ;-P |
| 13:22.53 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: lock it down and become a dictator for life? |
| 13:23.07 | jon_y | autokrator DocScrutinizer05! |
| 13:23.49 | kerio | hey, BDFL works for python |
| 13:23.50 | jon_y | nothing goes through without your piercing gaze |
| 13:24.40 | jon_y | can DocScrutinizer05 put the whole world in a bottle? |
| 13:28.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a buckyball |
| 13:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki buckyball |
| 13:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, 60 carbon atoms |
| 13:30.06 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: nah, it was a reference to Superman Red Son |
| 13:30.48 | jon_y | Lex Luthor successfully makes Superman question himself and cry with an armor piercing question |
| 13:31.27 | jon_y | Superman tries to do good and all that btw |
| 13:32.01 | jon_y | comic was better than the new movie |
| 13:39.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | /cmd to:cluster-5687.33.685673/* query:augment-database[domain:root];topic:superman&&lex_luthor;target:valid-answers limit:load=30%;timeout=3600000000 |
| 13:39.55 | jon_y | ? |
| 13:40.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, one of my subprograms had a malfunction |
| 13:40.53 | jon_y | ok |
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| 13:42.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically skynet is based on a huge but simple massively distributed RDBMS |
| 13:43.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes routing of one of the agents fails |
| 13:43.37 | jon_y | can I have a ddos ruin it? |
| 13:43.43 | jon_y | or sql injection |
| 13:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can try ;-) |
| 13:44.04 | jon_y | Luke Sqlker, you're my only hope! |
| 13:44.53 | jon_y | not sure what r2d2 and c3po is supposed to be here |
| 13:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# uptime |
| 13:45.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, it rebooted mid-mission |
| 13:46.32 | amin007110 | lol |
| 13:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | starts designing T1000 |
| 13:47.46 | win7mac | yayay, just got award of contract to shoot 5 TV commercials :-))))) |
| 13:48.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o7 |
| 13:50.52 | win7mac | short, but nice ones...Elitepartner |
| 13:51.24 | jon_y | win7mac: what are you advertising? |
| 13:51.34 | jon_y | election campaigns? |
| 13:52.04 | win7mac | lol... for a partner agency |
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| 13:52.58 | jon_y | what does that agency do? |
| 13:53.52 | jon_y | does it specialize in destabilizing working governments? :) |
| 13:54.10 | jon_y | or planting false dissent? |
| 13:54.36 | jon_y | totally, when fnord fnord fnord |
| 13:56.00 | win7mac | this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCi8pLe2UjU |
| 13:57.21 | win7mac | did that ^ last year |
| 13:58.21 | jon_y | eek, html5 vid didn't load |
| 13:58.43 | jon_y | nice voice over though |
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| 14:45.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as it's no "RUF MICH AN!!!!" |
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| 14:46.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0900-666666 only 5$/min |
| 14:46.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that I'd spend money on those phonecalls, but the TV adds suck donkeyballs |
| 14:47.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | pertucularly when repeated 5 times in series, like old horny men were similar to kids and need teletubby stile adds |
| 14:47.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | style* |
| 14:47.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly* damn! |
| 14:48.31 | win7mac | One of the funniest shootings I had was in the "porno valley"/North Hollywood... 2 weeks porno only (Reportage) |
| 14:49.00 | win7mac | that was years ago, when I was an assistant though... boy had we fun... |
| 14:49.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 14:49.57 | Lava_Croft | i like dating sites for people at a certain level |
| 14:50.13 | Lava_Croft | it says "it doesnt matter we spent 20 years in uni and now make 200k a year" |
| 14:50.19 | Lava_Croft | "we still cant find any poontang" |
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| 14:53.54 | win7mac | lol, just learned another word, thanks |
| 14:54.41 | Lava_Croft | haha |
| 14:54.46 | Lava_Croft | im fairly sure what word that is |
| 14:57.51 | win7mac | LOL, here's another synonym: bearded clam |
| 14:59.31 | Lava_Croft | pink taco |
| 14:59.37 | Lava_Croft | you can go on forever:P |
| 15:01.25 | win7mac | whisker biscuit, but we should probably stop now or Doc will kick us |
| 15:02.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're probably right |
| 15:04.23 | win7mac | I'm sure you know some funny ones too... |
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| 15:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tried to find a few youtupe URLs for "call any veg'table", "find her finer", but all I been able to find was "the torture never stops" and "Dinah Mo hum" ;-P |
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| 15:15.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC_wcFDpLmw |
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| 15:19.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mLjFzn-WU |
| 15:20.35 | anthonie_ | @sixwheeledbeast: I am seriously impressed with the mess called Midgard... |
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| 15:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | rotfl |
| 15:22.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | (sindenote: @ not needed) |
| 15:22.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | GOD my typing sucks today |
| 15:26.03 | win7mac | Doc, you seem a real Zappa fan... hardly related but funny lyrics too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dv5nt1Ft8g |
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| 15:27.50 | anthonie_ | it's bad doc, because now I have this line in my head that refuses to leave "Moving to Montana soon" |
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| 15:36.40 | freemangordon | ~rescueos |
| 15:36.41 | infobot | i heard rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ |
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| 15:41.08 | anthonie_ | DocScrutinizer05 http://privatepaste.com/64c086c83b |
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| 15:42.40 | anthonie_ | Right now, there is a channel file missing, which is needed to continue install of Midgard. Not sure if it can still be found, but the reply from Piotras does not make me very optimistic |
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| 15:51.35 | anthonie_ | sixwheeledbeast could you have a look at the privatepaste I just posted to DocScrut? |
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| 15:53.52 | sixwheeledbeast | anthonie_: was afk and have no logs due to being offline, will you re-post. |
| 15:54.12 | anthonie_ | http://privatepaste.com/64c086c83b |
| 15:54.15 | anthonie_ | i5' |
| 15:54.23 | sixwheeledbeast | just walked in from work |
| 15:54.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I at least have no clue how and from where to install midgard |
| 15:54.50 | anthonie_ | it's about a channel file, needed for the install, and it's not to be found anymore... |
| 15:55.08 | freemangordon | any idea how to repair corrupted ubifs? |
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| 15:55.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | "gona be a mental toss flycoon" |
| 15:55.51 | anthonie_ | which sounds really silly, as a reason NOT to be able to install the thing. I went jumping through hoops configuring everything on my webserver and now it is stalled because of a silly 404... |
| 15:56.07 | anthonie_ | Why did zappa never make a good song about 404's? |
| 15:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably because he died before 404 became any popular |
| 15:56.43 | anthonie_ | @doc, I seem to have gotten a clue today |
| 15:56.48 | sixwheeledbeast | anthonie_: is this link regarding current m.o installation? |
| 15:57.12 | anthonie_ | ah that was the wrong thing to do, bad Zappa! |
| 15:57.22 | sixwheeledbeast | are they logs from #midgard per chance? |
| 15:57.36 | anthonie_ | yes, the' re logs |
| 15:58.21 | anthonie_ | This site is no longer alive: ragnaroek.pear.midgard-project.org |
| 15:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I seem to recall woody said they even removed manuals and docs for midgard1 |
| 15:59.06 | anthonie_ | so, i am wondering if on the maemo server, we perhaps could find that channel file, as it has been downloaded at least once in order to install Midgard on maemo.org |
| 15:59.24 | anthonie_ | yes, I used the manuals from the webarchive!! jay!! |
| 16:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | what channel file? |
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| 16:01.29 | anthonie_ | DocScrutinizer05 https://ragnaroek.pear.midgard-project.org/channel.xml |
| 16:01.55 | anthonie_ | it's a so called "channel" file which contains definitions on site modules |
| 16:02.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dount that will help much, when the rest of ragnaroek/pear is missing as well |
| 16:02.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | root@www1:/var/lib/midgard/vhosts/test.maemo.org/80# locate channel.xml ->zilch |
| 16:02.59 | anthonie_ | yes! |
| 16:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/8dacf44253 |
| 16:06.16 | anthonie_ | thanks |
| 16:06.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 16:06.33 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer51: thanks for that near-automated battery calib script |
| 16:06.35 | Lava_Croft | seems to work fine |
| 16:06.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope so :-) |
| 16:08.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway cya l8r |
| 16:09.25 | anthonie_ | DocScrutinizer05 you're right, would still need other stuff from ragnaroek. |
| 16:09.51 | anthonie_ | Hopefully I can still find a source package somewhere and do it from there |
| 16:10.01 | anthonie_ | thanks for the help, anyway |
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| 16:23.19 | anthonie_ | DocScrutinizer05 Any chance that Woody might still know where he found those files? |
| 16:25.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
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| 16:30.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | might that help? (from .bash_history) wget http://web.archive.org/web/20110728170555/http://www.midgard-project.org/midcom-serveattachmentguid-711d61307dd111df9956c17b99fb6b9f6b9f/midgard_allinone-8.09.9.tar.bz2 |
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| 16:32.40 | anthonie_ | I am afraid not, I have that one, and it contains, believe it or not, hardcoded url's... |
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| 16:33.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably not, since: rm -r Midgard_AllinOne-8.09.9/ |
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| 16:36.06 | anthonie_ | anthonie@anthonie-laptop:~$ ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep midgard |
| 16:36.06 | anthonie_ | libapache2-mod-midgard_1%3a8.9.9-1_amd64.deb |
| 16:36.06 | anthonie_ | libmidgard8.9_1%3a8.9.9.2-1_amd64.deb |
| 16:36.06 | anthonie_ | midgard-common_1%3a8.9.9.2-1_amd64.deb |
| 16:36.06 | anthonie_ | midgard-data_1%3a8.9.9-1_amd64.deb |
| 16:36.06 | anthonie_ | php5-midgard_1%3a8.9.9-1_amd64.deb |
| 16:38.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly don't even know what to look for |
| 16:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
| 16:39.22 | anthonie_ | don't worry, no need to look, it will contain the same hardcoded url to look for pear channels. |
| 16:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what are you looking for, and why do you think woody knows where to get itß |
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| 16:42.32 | anthonie_ | think, not, hoping is more the word |
| 16:44.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I can't help |
| 16:44.07 | anthonie_ | let me see, who has been the last person installing/configuring the Midgard to the maemo server? |
| 16:47.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno |
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| 16:48.35 | anthonie_ | how do I find out? |
| 16:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno |
| 16:49.56 | anthonie_ | hehe |
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| 16:56.34 | anthonie_ | DocScrutinizer sorry, last question, who on maemo might know? |
| 16:57.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't that same as last question? |
| 16:57.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, I suggest you ask Rambo/Eero/mashiara |
| 16:58.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably best catch him on #midgard |
| 16:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | or Bergie |
| 16:58.22 | anthonie_ | will do |
| 16:58.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems to me Bergie invented midgard |
| 16:59.03 | anthonie_ | ok, thanks |
| 16:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Eero did service and migration#1 |
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| 17:00.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen mashiara |
| 17:00.47 | infobot | i haven't seen 'mashiara', DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 17:32.15 | narcos | Hi all. I'm trying to get these 'bleeding edge' wifi drivers working - http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/ |
| 17:32.34 | narcos | But, I have powerkernel v52 on my N900. It seems to require v50 |
| 17:32.40 | narcos | Can I downgrade my power kernel? |
| 17:34.13 | narcos | I've found on a forum somseone suggesting this command: apt-get install kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo46 |
| 17:36.02 | narcos | but this gives me "E: version '2.6.28-maemo46' for 'kernel-power' was not found |
| 17:36.04 | narcos | " |
| 17:36.14 | narcos | ( or ?.-maemo50 ) |
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| 17:40.10 | Lava_Croft | heh, this merlin1991 is the same one that's involved with gtkradiant? |
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| 17:47.33 | narcos | Hm, I wonder if I dpkg -i kernel-power-[flasher,headers,modules]_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb ? |
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| 17:57.50 | narcos | tries uninstalling existing power kernel first |
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| 18:07.06 | narcos | Hm, that seemed to wkr |
| 18:07.08 | narcos | *work |
| 18:07.16 | narcos | wireless modules still won't load though |
| 18:07.19 | narcos | tries rebooting |
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| 18:10.06 | narcos | Farrrk. |
| 18:10.35 | narcos | Still get "-1: invalid module format" |
| 18:10.58 | narcos | Even though uname -a tells me power46 now, which should be fine |
| 18:11.44 | narcos | Any ideas? :-( |
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| 18:12.21 | Pali | update to last kernel power v52 |
| 18:12.35 | Pali | it has packet injection drivers included |
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| 18:13.22 | Lava_Croft | aww poor guy |
| 18:13.27 | Lava_Croft | he just downgraded from that |
| 18:13.33 | Pali | narcos: use script packet-injection.sh for loading drivers |
| 18:14.25 | Pali | look: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 |
| 18:14.28 | Pali | ~kp |
| 18:14.28 | infobot | it has been said that kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 |
| 18:14.52 | narcos | Doh. What Lava_Croft said :( |
| 18:14.52 | Pali | infobot: no, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 |
| 18:14.53 | infobot | Pali: okay |
| 18:15.28 | narcos | I have another n900 with v52, lemme try it on that one |
| 18:15.36 | narcos | brb gotta move laptop to that room |
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| 18:37.43 | narcos | That seemed to work :) |
| 18:37.50 | narcos | I wish I'd known that earlier :) |
| 18:37.58 | narcos | k, let's upgrade other phone's kernel back to v52 |
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| 18:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((* narcos tries uninstalling existing power kernel first)) NEVER unistall kernels!!! |
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| 19:04.42 | narcos | DocScrutinizer05: Oops. I installed the stock kernel first. Was folloing a tutorial from maemo.org |
| 19:04.54 | narcos | DocScrutinizer05: BTW, Hi, haven't been on here for ages :-) |
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| 19:27.31 | narcos | Putting power-kernelv52 back on my other n900. It seems I just need to do a 'apt-get install kernel-power-settings' and reboot for this, right? |
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| 19:31.08 | narcos | Hm, that seemed to install v50 |
| 19:31.26 | narcos | grmmmm |
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| 19:36.40 | narcos | HTF did I install v52 on this before. |
| 19:36.49 | narcos | It's 4 months ago now. |
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| 19:42.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | via dplg -i ? |
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| 19:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | dpkg even |
| 19:43.33 | narcos | I suspect that is how I did it before, which is why I've just noticed Extras-Devel isn't isn't in my repo |
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| 19:43.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | err nope, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 says it's in extras-devel |
| 19:44.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | well that explains it then |
| 19:44.18 | narcos | Too many N900s |
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| 19:53.23 | psycho_oreos | Nothing wrong with having too much of the good stuff ;) |
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| 19:59.45 | narcos | pycho_oreos: I've been side-lining my N900s for the BeagleBone of late |
| 19:59.52 | narcos | It's a very nice single computer board. |
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| 21:52.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're close to criticality on maemo.org. meanwhile the bugs in autobuilder create new bugs on their own |
| 21:52.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | like logfiles overflow, for example |
| 21:52.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | jobs aborting since the have to handle zillions of bogus objects created by jobs |
| 21:53.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | packages not getting cleaned out since there are too many packages to clean out, etc pp |
| 21:53.39 | sixwheeledbeast | I am working on stopping that TM |
| 21:53.48 | sixwheeledbeast | s/TM/ATM/ |
| 21:55.21 | sixwheeledbeast | very slowly |
| 21:56.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is: you might stop it if you're superman, but you hardly can revert damage done |
| 21:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a db that has no means to forget anything ever |
| 21:57.41 | sixwheeledbeast | I know I am losing slowly but every little helps |
| 21:58.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess soon repligard table will hit the absolute limit of objects it can handle |
| 21:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue Jul 09 21:45:55 2013] [error] [client 88.217.6.xx] PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 367001600 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 32 bytes) in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/services/dbclassloader.php on line 971 |
| 21:59.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | is no joke |
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| 22:00.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | when such stuff gets triggered for every 2nd HTTP query, then we're close to doom |
| 22:01.13 | sixwheeledbeast | argh... |
| 22:03.00 | anthonie_ | DocScrutinizer sixwheeledbeast It seems to have gotten somewhere, my questions :) http://privatepaste.com/dc623d5b19 |
| 22:03.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm officially announcing that we soon will have to shut down maemo.org |
| 22:03.22 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: do we know why packages being saved by asgurd over and over? |
| 22:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
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| 22:05.04 | anthonie_ | DocScrutinizer05 Shut down as in temporarely? |
| 22:05.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, terminately |
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| 22:06.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | when invocation of http://maemo.org/packages/view/* is causing >>[Tue Jul 09 21:45:55 2013] [error] [client 88.217.6.xx] PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 367001600 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 32 bytes) in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/services/dbclassloader.php on line 971<< |
| 22:06.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | then there's no other option than shutdown http://maemo.org/packages/view/* |
| 22:07.12 | HtheB | anyone here from the US? |
| 22:07.39 | anthonie_ | wow |
| 22:09.29 | anthonie_ | with regard to the log files, how large are they atm, and why don't you just copy them over to a local machine and remove the remote version so a new one will get spawned? |
| 22:09.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | it also freezes one apache process it seems |
| 22:09.46 | anthonie_ | not surprised @ apache... |
| 22:10.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie_: logfiles are one of our simplest problem, their content is our headache |
| 22:10.46 | anthonie_ | of course it is |
| 22:10.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/fb0196ad7c watch bogus sort order! |
| 22:11.04 | sixwheeledbeast | yep, the user "midgurd admin" is saving all the packages in the asgurd logs NFC why. On a separate note the db is getting corruption so I am finding some issue packages impossible to purge. |
| 22:11.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/3e213ed1ac |
| 22:12.00 | sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/view/osm2go/ dead |
| 22:12.12 | sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-experimental/ dead |
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| 22:12.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: thanks! that was no great idea to paste that URL here |
| 22:12.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I intentionally did NOT spell it out |
| 22:13.32 | anthonie_ | :( |
| 22:13.36 | sixwheeledbeast | eh, ok |
| 22:14.17 | anthonie_ | so what's it going to be? a rescue operation, based on some kind of plan or is it going to die? |
| 22:14.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue Jul 09 22:14:10 2013] [error] [client 213.128.137.20] PHP Warning: (pid:21638): Can not write property. Object in read only mode in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/dbaobject.php on line 866 |
| 22:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue Jul 09 22:14:10 2013] [error] [client 213.128.137.20] PHP Warning: (pid:21638): Can not write property. Object in read only mode in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/dbaobject.php on line 866 |
| 22:14.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue Jul 09 22:14:10 2013] [error] [client 213.128.137.20] PHP Warning: (pid:21638): Can not write property. Object in read only mode in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/dbaobject.php on line 866 |
| 22:14.36 | sixwheeledbeast | they may reappear it has happened |
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| 22:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | * 1000 |
| 22:15.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | in 2 seconds |
| 22:15.36 | chainsawbike | O_o |
| 22:15.42 | anthonie_ | The system basically shouldn't be running, under the condition it is in now. If we continue to use the package system it will only continue to clutter the whole of Midgard. |
| 22:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue Jul 09 22:15:24 2013] [error] [client 192.74.230.51] PHP Warning: (pid:32461): Can not write property. Object in read only mode in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/dbaobject.php on line 211, referer: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/Maemo5/ukeyboard/?get_installfile |
| 22:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue Jul 09 22:15:24 2013] [error] [client 192.74.230.51] PHP Warning: (pid:32461): Can not write property. Object in read only mode in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/dbaobject.php on line 211, referer: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/Maemo5/ukeyboard/?get_installfile |
| 22:16.35 | anthonie_ | so we're out of space to do any writes? |
| 22:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
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| 22:17.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch the shit got BOOOM |
| 22:17.13 | anthonie_ | would be my first guess, looking at the error message |
| 22:17.28 | anthonie_ | nah, rather not watch it... |
| 22:17.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, I'm out |
| 22:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I officially declare I give up. I think we're doomed |
| 22:18.43 | anthonie_ | why? because of a software fuckup? |
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| 22:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | because of me not being able to sustain this level of "maintenance" any more |
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| 22:20.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since frequency of fatal problems increases exponetially |
| 22:20.25 | anthonie_ | than we need a call for arms, not? |
| 22:20.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I officially declare I give up. I think we're doomed |
| 22:21.07 | anthonie_ | time for some good ol' deathmetal than... |
| 22:21.24 | chainsawbike | thinks because a lot of stuff needs to be fixed before maintenance is manageable with current staffing |
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| 22:21.56 | anthonie_ | l o t s |
| 22:22.46 | anthonie_ | so, doc, why don't you just shut down the package management? |
| 22:23.10 | anthonie_ | put it back on when it's fixed |
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| 22:23.35 | anthonie_ | no one can expect from you to "manage" something that is broken... |
| 22:24.06 | anthonie_ | fix it first, then manage it |
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| 22:27.58 | sixwheeledbeast | agrees with chainsawbike |
| 22:28.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue Jul 09 22:27:12 2013] [error] [client 89.243.2] PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 367001600 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 6430721 bytes) in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_styleloader.php(652) : eval()'d code on line 273, referer: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue% |
| 22:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | 5D=password&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same |
| 22:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/bb0f05ab84 |
| 22:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/925f5153f2 |
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| 22:36.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=db& |
| 22:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm going to shut down www |
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| 23:01.44 | anthonie_ | DocScrutinizer05 Please do, that is the only sensible thing to do |
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