| 00:02.07 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: ok thanks i check that |
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| 00:22.56 | Macer | hm |
| 00:22.59 | Drathir | bind -x '"^G":"playsound /usr/share/sounds/chat-msg_in_bg_3.wav"' but dont really working... |
| 00:23.03 | Macer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Video_Encoding#Avidemux |
| 00:23.11 | Macer | i don't see the directory it says to place the xml |
| 00:24.01 | Drathir | very like avidemux... |
| 00:24.46 | Macer | i don't understand where i am supposed to put this xml |
| 00:24.51 | Macer | the directory in the maemo wiki isn't there |
| 00:28.12 | Luke-Jr | Drathir: dead |
| 00:30.46 | Macer | argh |
| 00:30.52 | Macer | the handbrake presets don't work either |
| 00:30.58 | Macer | and i don't think this ancient xml on the wiki works |
| 00:31.12 | Macer | since it seems to use a method that isn't consistent with avidemux |
| 00:31.46 | Macer | In Windows: put this file in Application Data/avidemux/x264/ |
| 00:32.45 | Macer | i'm not seeing the dire |
| 00:32.48 | Macer | directory |
| 00:40.55 | Macer | blah i give up |
| 00:41.05 | Macer | i'll just remove avidemux and try to make a base profile with handbrake for windows |
| 00:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: maybe that only works when you *type* ^G, but not when a program *prints* ^G |
| 00:56.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:17.32 | Drathir | Macer: yoy care about file size? |
| 01:17.38 | Drathir | you* |
| 01:20.13 | Drathir | anyway should work with default avc but adjust a video size... |
| 01:27.51 | Macer | not really heh |
| 01:27.53 | Macer | yeah |
| 01:27.55 | Macer | that's what i just did |
| 01:28.04 | Macer | i am sure i can tweak it to make the files smaller |
| 01:28.11 | Macer | but i managed to get a good video :) and save the preset |
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| 01:30.06 | Macer | in handbrake |
| 01:30.07 | Macer | heh |
| 01:30.23 | Macer | i still would rather use tablet-encode tho. it manages to give me 60fps |
| 01:30.32 | Macer | on 1 core :) handbrake is giving me 70fps with 4 |
| 01:30.35 | Macer | go figure |
| 01:35.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: |
| 01:35.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Name: module-x11-bell |
| 01:35.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Argument: display=:0 sample=bell.ogg |
| 01:35.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Usage counter: n/a |
| 01:35.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Properties: |
| 01:35.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | module.author = "Lennart Poettering" |
| 01:35.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | module.description = "X11 bell interceptor" |
| 01:35.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: pactl upload |
| 01:35.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | not tested |
| 01:40.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas it seems maemo PA is missing module-x11-bell |
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| 01:48.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's /usr/bin/maemo-xinput-sounds running, but it's unclear to me what exactly it does. Might do touchscreen clicks and keybd clicks, probably no bell |
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| 02:07.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway pactl list can give you nausea |
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| 02:23.07 | Macer | argh |
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| 02:41.56 | Macer | i tried sending a song with fmms |
| 02:41.57 | Macer | heh |
| 02:42.00 | Macer | didn't seem to turn out so well :) |
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| 02:59.56 | SpeedEvil | 'we are calling you as you have breached your credit card limit and owe us $878395 for sending 3.5 million SMSs. |
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| 03:09.17 | Macer | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 03:09.25 | Macer | UNLIMITED MEANS UNLIMITED! |
| 03:09.44 | Macer | i can see it now... doors getting kicked in for massive mms song distribution |
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| 03:10.12 | Macer | hm. i'm goign to test out this handbrake thing a few more times and try to export it so someone can put it on the wiki to replace the ancient plist that is on there now |
| 03:10.15 | Macer | heh |
| 03:10.31 | Macer | although for whatever reason i can only get handbrake to do 848x480 |
| 03:10.48 | Macer | it doesn't seem to want to use 854.. i'm sure you can force it but i doubt those 11 pixels matter much :) |
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| 03:10.59 | Macer | er... 6 |
| 03:11.33 | Macer | could be due to cropping too but who knows. you would think that the default video player could at least stretch :) |
| 03:14.58 | RST38h | The Adam generates a surge of electromagnetic energy on startup, which can erase the contents of any removable media left in or near the drive. |
| 03:20.41 | GI_Jack | SpeedEvil, is it possible to send that many mms> |
| 03:20.43 | GI_Jack | ? |
| 03:20.46 | GI_Jack | or sms even |
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| 03:21.03 | GI_Jack | macer - I've had better luck with transmageddon |
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| 03:30.44 | Macer | GI_Jack: i would rather use the tablet-encode mencoder wrapper |
| 03:30.56 | Macer | but sometimes the subs and audio tracks get a little messed up especially with anime heh |
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| 03:53.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: what? |
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| 08:43.38 | Drathir | Macer: propabbly try to keep aspect ratio... oh if you want small files you need avc use in avidemux... |
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| 08:50.21 | Drathir | mornin... |
| 08:51.07 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: where you find that module-x11-bel in pactl -list i dont see them. |
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| 09:00.10 | DrCode | any one using megan power battery, I am thinking to buy it |
| 09:00.20 | DrCode | hi dockane |
| 09:00.22 | DrCode | DocScrutinizer05, |
| 09:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: http://www.richud.com/wiki/Ubutu_Beep_Audible_Bell_Ping_Fix |
| 09:04.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi |
| 09:10.30 | Macer | Drathir: handbrake made them small enough |
| 09:10.43 | Macer | turned 500MB files into 100MB |
| 09:11.00 | Macer | thats good enough. i have a 32GB sd in my n900 |
| 09:11.17 | Macer | i managed to get some awesome looking files going |
| 09:11.45 | Macer | at a decent size so im happy. the preset actually changes the res too which handbrake was a pain at doing |
| 09:12.08 | Macer | im sure i can get them to look even better at the expense of time |
| 09:13.44 | Macer | wow what's up with maemo.org? lol |
| 09:13.54 | Macer | it's taking like 20mins to download 125K heh |
| 09:14.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: might help as well, as usually xterm or console is responsible to play sound: http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/ |
| 09:15.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | inz: you know any deatl about beep/bell sound? |
| 09:17.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | detail even |
| 09:21.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | the classical way to create a beep sound is afaik via IOCTRL to /dev/console: http://www.net-security.org/article.php?id=83&p=3 |
| 09:23.14 | DrCode | I am thinking to order mugen power for n900 , I know it come from honkkong and it take long time shipping |
| 09:23.18 | DrCode | any one using it? |
| 09:23.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few do |
| 09:23.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | or did |
| 09:24.12 | win7mac | wonders if this is a good solution for audio meetings: http://openmeetings.apache.org/ |
| 09:24.46 | DrCode | win7mac, openmeeting or bbb |
| 09:24.58 | DrCode | both are good, bbb have also html5 support |
| 09:25.04 | win7mac | bbb? |
| 09:25.10 | DrCode | bigbluebutton |
| 09:25.29 | DrCode | but openmeeting have support more them 100 users in same time |
| 09:25.39 | DrCode | it depend what you need |
| 09:25.43 | win7mac | no clue a bigbluebutton |
| 09:25.59 | DrCode | search in google , both are opensource |
| 09:26.13 | DrCode | I have investigate both , and I am using bbb |
| 09:26.17 | DrCode | work great |
| 09:26.59 | DrCode | openmeeting have more secure then bbb, you can manage rooms and so, in bbb its modrator and user |
| 09:27.36 | DrCode | I manage to connect bbb to ldap server |
| 09:27.37 | win7mac | We need a service for HiFo-meetings on a regular basis, preferrably available (through browser) from our N9xxs |
| 09:27.52 | DrCode | how money users? |
| 09:28.07 | DrCode | win7mac, do u have gtalk or messanger |
| 09:28.12 | DrCode | i would like to help |
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| 09:28.55 | DrCode | or privet chat , its also ok |
| 09:28.57 | win7mac | well, board is 7, if council joins too then it'd be 12 peeps |
| 09:29.13 | win7mac | board is 7 at max |
| 09:29.14 | DrCode | go with bbb |
| 09:29.19 | DrCode | for 12 users |
| 09:29.31 | DrCode | for small meeting bbb will do great job |
| 09:30.03 | win7mac | I don't use gtalk or messanger. we need audio |
| 09:30.15 | DrCode | you can also record meetings and stream them like in youtube |
| 09:30.37 | DrCode | bbb support both audio, video, text chat |
| 09:30.46 | win7mac | sounds good, am looking into BBB... |
| 09:31.05 | DrCode | win7mac, I meant to chat in privat with you |
| 09:31.11 | DrCode | sorry about my bad english |
| 09:31.48 | DrCode | DocScrutinizer05, I want to buy it (mugen power) but its expensive |
| 09:32.04 | DrCode | is it worth this price or there are alternatives? |
| 09:32.14 | win7mac | My question is also to techstaff if this is desireable and doable |
| 09:32.32 | win7mac | to have it self-hosted |
| 09:33.44 | win7mac | Important is that it works on N900 and N9 for max. reach |
| 09:34.02 | DrCode | U mean the client? |
| 09:34.10 | DrCode | if n900 support flash , it will work |
| 09:34.30 | DrCode | bbb and openmeeting have flash client |
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| 09:34.37 | DrCode | bbb has also html5 client |
| 09:34.56 | DrCode | flash or html5 |
| 09:35.07 | DrCode | btw: n900 have support for html5? |
| 09:35.13 | win7mac | flash is a problem on N9, latest version is 10.1 |
| 09:35.31 | win7mac | which is totally outdated |
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| 09:42.43 | sixwheeledbeast | win7mac: what about N900 flash? Last proper version is 9 |
| 09:43.53 | sixwheeledbeast | roll along html5 and supporting browsers... |
| 09:44.33 | win7mac | for N900 there's a flash-tweak: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59336 |
| 09:45.06 | DrCode | I think it will work win7mac |
| 09:45.12 | DrCode | I found this: |
| 09:45.15 | DrCode | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1295928&postcount=2268 |
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| 09:47.23 | sixwheeledbeast | note I said 'proper version' ;) |
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| 09:48.09 | DrCode | sixwheeledbeast, n900 have support for html5? |
| 09:48.47 | sixwheeledbeast | not fully, but it depends on the browser anyway. |
| 09:49.09 | sixwheeledbeast | Alopex is the best so far. |
| 09:49.26 | DrCode | thankyou |
| 09:49.43 | sixwheeledbeast | most do html5 but not html5 video |
| 09:50.08 | DrCode | I see |
| 09:50.48 | DrCode | I am thinking to buy mugen power for n900, is it worth this price? is there other alternarnive? |
| 09:51.07 | win7mac | what about html5 on N9, which browser can handle it? |
| 09:52.46 | sixwheeledbeast | DrCode: http://wiki.maemo.org/Web_browser |
| 09:53.06 | sixwheeledbeast | I found the link :) |
| 09:53.29 | DrCode | ok |
| 09:53.31 | DrCode | thankyou |
| 09:55.09 | win7mac | Just saw that Firefox for N9 supports Opus audio codec in html5 |
| 09:57.32 | win7mac | DocScrutinizer05, what do you think about the idea of self-hosted web conferencing? |
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| 10:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't like the idea of audio web connferences |
| 10:06.17 | win7mac | Me too, but it's mandatory for HiFo-meetings |
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| 10:10.52 | sixwheeledbeast | only for agreement of details/decisions I believe, meeting can be IRC for somethings. |
| 10:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 10:11.17 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks a lot i goin to read that links... |
| 10:11.42 | win7mac | It could be usefull for other use cases too. openmeetings features a calendar too |
| 10:13.38 | win7mac | I'd just prefer it over any other external, proprietory web-service |
| 10:14.29 | sixwheeledbeast | agreed |
| 10:14.36 | Drathir | Macer: yes but handbrake quality is much worse than avidemux in that same size... |
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| 10:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | DrCode: |
| 10:22.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-04 23:14:22] <DocScrutinizer05> mugen is bulky, costly, and not even pulling the sausage off your hotdog |
| 10:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-04 23:14:51] <DocScrutinizer05> for special needs it might be right solution |
| 10:23.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-04 23:00:51] <DocScrutinizer05> on a less facetious note, I can't give any recommendation without info that allows to evaluate whether e.g. mugen will even help on what you want to accomplish |
| 10:23.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-04 23:03:15] <DocScrutinizer05> when you want 24h of maemo-hotspot operation, mugen will hardly be the right choice. When you want to do geocaching, then probably an external powerpack is a poor advice |
| 10:25.07 | DrCode | ok |
| 10:25.09 | DrCode | thnku |
| 10:28.07 | Drathir | win7mac: looks like ts server :p |
| 10:29.04 | win7mac | ts server? |
| 10:30.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-07-05.log.html |
| 10:31.00 | Drathir | win7mac: teamspeak |
| 10:33.12 | win7mac | ah, thanks. But that does not work on N9xx :( |
| 10:34.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | why not? |
| 10:34.17 | Drathir | interesting if is any plugin to pidgin connected with ts... |
| 10:34.47 | Drathir | but good idea i check if ts is avaible for alarm... |
| 10:36.41 | Drathir | and how it works throught chroot |
| 10:37.50 | Drathir | in maemo mumble is avaible if good see |
| 10:40.09 | Drathir | mumble is similar alternative to teamspeak |
| 10:41.46 | Drathir | server i think can be easly run on one of maemo server... |
| 10:41.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I guess every maemo devel is free to port and build TS-client, no? |
| 10:42.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | TS-server can run anywhere |
| 10:42.35 | Drathir | yes i think por oft will be good too... |
| 10:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | por oft? |
| 10:42.59 | Drathir | but can be something why also ts isnt avaible on alarm :/ |
| 10:43.06 | Drathir | port* |
| 10:43.30 | Drathir | port of* letters running im sorry... |
| 10:44.33 | Drathir | www.youtube.com/embed/uJkQzLjYBFI |
| 10:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's maybe intriguing but not really any new |
| 10:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | there been more useful concepts to locate WiFi clients in buildings on sub-meter precision, using modified "normal" accesspoints |
| 10:49.57 | Drathir | but there isnt needed 3 recivers of signal to calculate vailid data? |
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| 10:53.01 | Drathir | checking strehght of signal and time answer of device should give not good calculated values i think... |
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| 10:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, this indoor WiFi localization works with multiple AP that precisely evaluate signal travel time from WiFi client to AP |
| 10:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 10:59.13 | SpeedEvil | In principle, one signal may give you information. |
| 10:59.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are also other concepts that use reflections and interferences |
| 10:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~anindya/Paul_Wan_Plans08.pdf |
| 10:59.19 | SpeedEvil | This is ... |
| 11:00.06 | SpeedEvil | Reflections and multipath contain information too. One signal source, and one reciever can't ideally be located. But - once you move outside of the ideal world with no objects, and reflections, it's not inconcievable something can be done. |
| 11:00.35 | SpeedEvil | For example, bounces off other objects effectively add other 'receivers'. |
| 11:00.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 11:01.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically the "fingerprint" method |
| 11:01.09 | SpeedEvil | And obstructions do similar - in principle determinable things. |
| 11:01.38 | SpeedEvil | It's basically then the fun question of - can you make this a functional location system, not a laboratory curiosity'. |
| 11:01.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | for GSM I was a little fuzzy mixing both concepts in my GSM-positioning_revisited post |
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| 11:03.35 | SpeedEvil | In principle, 60GHz APs may make this even easier. As multi-antenna synthetic apatrure antennas become smaller. |
| 11:03.45 | SpeedEvil | But this is some time away. |
| 11:04.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html |
| 11:05.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | In first post I elaborated a bit about fingerprint, while in follow-up post I focused on signal-delay methos |
| 11:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | method* |
| 11:06.19 | win7mac | err, is this related to audio confernce? |
| 11:07.28 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 11:07.33 | SpeedEvil | Well - not directly |
| 11:07.59 | SpeedEvil | It is sort-of-related to echo cancelling which is important for audio conferencing. |
| 11:08.12 | SpeedEvil | And, indeed, audio positioning is another possible technology |
| 11:16.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehehe |
| 11:18.23 | Drathir | and this also should works with waves secured cages rooms if someone can get network acces to inside the room,and when from outside cant track with this method thats change... |
| 11:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | still feels ignored on this deemed brilliant contribution to GSM based positioning done in 2008 |
| 11:19.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | (audio postioning) I already suggested that for SIRI |
| 11:20.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | (... the apple thing) |
| 11:20.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a friggin LOT you can do with a huge number of microphones distributed across an area |
| 11:22.55 | Drathir | *from crazy/stupid ideas* audio positioning will be good in case with phone loud speaker to auto adjust mic sensivity... |
| 11:23.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | with as little as 5..10 mics in an area of 500..1000^2 meter^m, you can not only do time correlation of non-realtime signals of those 10 mics, you also can build a audio-based environment image of the whole scene, by locating all other sound sources in relation to all the mics |
| 11:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: well, mic sensitivity is rather precisely known, my usecase for this is to adjust speaker volume according to environment noise |
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| 11:25.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | another patent pending I never seen implemented in any phone |
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| 11:25.23 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: that will be good with connection of city cams to trscking a car accidents faster i think and also detect a crines faster with localisation... |
| 11:25.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g for ringtone that is hush in a silent environment but max volume in noisy environment |
| 11:26.05 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: yes thats also will be great idea... |
| 11:26.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: yes, absolutely feasible |
| 11:29.44 | Drathir | anyway if good remember in one episode of nscsi they tracking wit mic very sensitive and little diversion a sniper location when shut they calculate where sound come and catch the shuter - that can be fiction only but think its is possible to implement in real world... |
| 11:30.15 | Drathir | bad side is that goverment can easier listen anything what need :p |
| 11:30.15 | SpeedEvil | CSI is basically fiction. |
| 11:30.32 | SpeedEvil | But audio detection of shots are real. |
| 11:30.36 | SpeedEvil | And location. |
| 11:31.31 | Drathir | SpeedEvil: the best for me is eureka is mostly a fiction but a lot of things and teories used in that are true... |
| 11:31.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | (NCSI) yes, and that was one of the few absolutely (scientifically) correct details in this series |
| 11:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | NCIS? |
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| 11:33.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't agree on EUREKA though |
| 11:33.30 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: yes misstype correct is NCIS |
| 11:33.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | not a single detail I seen in this series been based on anything realistic |
| 11:34.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even faintly |
| 11:34.54 | Drathir | bozon pice and bridge ainstein rozen if good remember theory in real life is the same... |
| 11:35.30 | win7mac | mumble seems an option, I found a client for N900, but not for N9 though. Could someone port it?: http://maemo.org/packages/view/mumble/ |
| 11:36.20 | Drathir | win7mac: for n900 is inside repo, n9 using new ones? |
| 11:36.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | has a funny idea for an iPhone and/or android app: playback of live audio via speakers with parametric centrally controlled delay (ms-range up to some seconds) plus equalizer. In a scene like e.g a football stadium this might create an awesome versatile audio playback machine with very unique properties |
| 11:37.09 | win7mac | Drathir, I have no clue |
| 11:37.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | iPhone/android due to number of devices out in the wild / out in a football stadium |
| 11:37.57 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: yea live streming at phone with change of camera angle and zoom... |
| 11:38.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably could create multiple hotspots with a dedicated audio signal audible only on this 2*2m area |
| 11:39.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | while the "speakers" (iPhones) are all more than 50m away from that hotspot |
| 11:40.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | WOW, what a fiction |
| 11:40.52 | win7mac | you probably could help find a solution for our real life problems too :p |
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| 11:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | walk thru a field of a few thousand speakers that seemings only emit a hush white noise signal, and in one precise location you suddenly hear a very clear and loud voice or other meaningful audio, while 10m further you get yet another equally loud and crisp other audio signal |
| 11:41.52 | Drathir | also nanobots technology in theory also would ba a possible to make, in now can programming a cells to attack only cancer changed cels but this is a experimental methods... that eureka have more things that are rally close real life things r correct with real life one theory about something... but strictly is a sf serial... |
| 11:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | win7mac: I don't see any recent real life problems |
| 11:43.45 | win7mac | we still need a solution for our audio-meetings |
| 11:43.59 | Drathir | anyway wifi nework with very useful to FEMA ? with critical situations i think... is most decentralised high avaible site on the planet... |
| 11:44.15 | Drathir | with = can be * |
| 11:44.19 | win7mac | a long-term solution and one for next meeting ~next week |
| 11:45.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | (massive multi speaker audio system, MMSAS:) for that app I mentioned above, you'd probably want to receive and delay&EQ&mix multiple RTP streams, one for each audio signal hotspot |
| 11:46.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you'd need one dedicated RTP stream for each speaker/phone |
| 11:47.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | with a 32kbps (half of ISDN) a single beefy server still could stream up to 1000 or 2000 such RTP clients |
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| 11:49.10 | Drathir | but in theory if anny attack happend the main satelities and other communications sources should be on the target but isnt possible to shut off all avaible wifi routers exclude emp, but emp also have a area only usage... |
| 11:49.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | smart algos to dither the particular RTP streams so for each hotspot the distortions of the single onbe of 1000s of speakers would get leveled out by the other 999, could help to reduce bandwidth needs even further |
| 11:50.20 | Drathir | yea with corection of position that system could be better than sorruond on stadium, but first bateries in phones should evolued... |
| 11:50.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 11:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you got a point there, each phone needs a very precise idea about own position in relation to other phones and to scene |
| 11:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we probably need a realtime calibration means as well |
| 11:52.11 | Drathir | that be really better than few big sound speakers when thousen of small ones was using with synchronised way with correction of where sound placed... |
| 11:52.52 | Drathir | andecologic way stadium will be using a less of power :p |
| 11:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | which isn't that hard to implement, since it's irrelevant when a single phone stops playback for a 5s and listens with own mic to environment, which gives precise location according to previous idea of audio positioning :-D |
| 11:54.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | dman, such a system is a *dream* to play with |
| 11:54.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | cloud computing looks like stone age against it |
| 11:55.27 | Drathir | but interesting for me is that battery evolue is stopping by *big daddy* or we real dont have any technologic possibilities to improve a battery life time... |
| 11:56.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | next step in battery technology will come from nano technology probably |
| 11:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | carbon nanotubes etc |
| 11:56.54 | Drathir | yes cloud have a big power and i think its a future of all... not one place but decentralised data with strong encryption to specified device sending of data... |
| 11:56.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | in battery all is about active surface of anodes |
| 11:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and about ion transport |
| 11:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | both might massively improve by using nanotubes, buckyballs, etc |
| 11:58.22 | SpeedEvil | That's discharge capacity. |
| 11:58.29 | SpeedEvil | Which is already good enough. |
| 11:58.35 | Drathir | sadly and iraccionally most clean energy will be forom atomic or hydra source... |
| 11:58.41 | SpeedEvil | You can buy li-ion rated for 40C discharge |
| 11:59.08 | SpeedEvil | The next revolution is the one that makes batteries cheaper. |
| 11:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but you can't make anode active material 3 times thicker and get 3 times the capacity |
| 11:59.24 | rikanee | SpeedEvil: how cheap, exactly? |
| 11:59.27 | SpeedEvil | You cannot buy a battery that will store more than its purchase price in normal electicity |
| 11:59.42 | rikanee | ah, energy density? |
| 12:00.01 | Drathir | china ones are cheap , but noone guarantire that dont explode you when charging them... :p |
| 12:00.39 | SpeedEvil | If that changed - so that the integrated price / (charge * cycle count ) was a fifth of grid electricity - then disconnecting from the grid would be feasible for a _large_ number of people. |
| 12:01.18 | SpeedEvil | It needs of the order of a tenfold drop to make practical in sunny places. |
| 12:01.32 | Drathir | anyway sadly sunenergy is still so badly using to charging :/ |
| 12:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are some exotic battery chemistry that have better joule/buck on large scale, like e.g sulfur battery. Alas sulfur battery needs ~400°C operating temp iirc |
| 12:02.31 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: 400C internal temp, or ambient? |
| 12:02.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | interbal of course ;-P |
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| 12:03.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium–sulfur_battery |
| 12:04.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | "operating temperatures of 300 to 350 °C" sorry I was 100..50° off |
| 12:04.33 | Drathir | atomic source should be the best one i think, but should have a very stable and non distroyable box to contain that battery... |
| 12:04.39 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer05: Well - not quite. There have been recent advances in wierd sodium-sulphur batteries at room temperature. |
| 12:04.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow |
| 12:06.10 | SpeedEvil | http://ma.ecsdl.org/content/MA2012-02/2/22.full.pdf - aha |
| 12:07.06 | SpeedEvil | 'The |
| 12:07.06 | SpeedEvil | initial capacity was 700 mA h g-1 and coulombic |
| 12:07.06 | SpeedEvil | effeciency was more than 95%.' |
| 12:09.01 | Drathir | that knnd atomic battery in theory dont need be exchange throught years and if amount of place used for battery will be possibly small that can be universal source of power... but now is more possible solar+wireless energy ones... |
| 12:09.34 | SpeedEvil | Drathir: This is never going to happen until all wars are eliminated, and all people are nice. |
| 12:09.57 | Drathir | i read sonething in china or japan they made a wireless power distributon source and working... |
| 12:10.00 | SpeedEvil | Radioisotope power sources are pretty much inherently very dangerous if you disperse them. |
| 12:10.19 | Drathir | but for now for little range of use that... |
| 12:15.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>In March 2011, Sumitomo Electric Industries and Kyoto University announced that they had developed a low temperature molten sodium ion battery that can output power at temperatures under 100 °C. The batteries would have double the energy density of Li-ion and considerably lower cost. Sumitomo Electric Industry CEO Masayoshi Matsumoto indicated that the company aimed to begin production in 2015. Initial applications would be buildings |
| 12:15.11 | Drathir | SpeedEvil: yes but strange to say that is most clean source of energy without any accidents the ime of work is much more than nedded, and main problem is ho to make it works in small box and how to secure that box to not be able to destroy it in any kind of way... solar+wireles also looks clean but is something needed to make the energy in second and in first source is shared from sun avaibility... |
| 12:15.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and buses.<< |
| 12:15.50 | SpeedEvil | Drathir: There are basically no 'indestructable' boxes possible. |
| 12:16.00 | SpeedEvil | Drathir: Other than casually deterring people without tools. |
| 12:16.26 | SpeedEvil | Drathir: Or delaying an attack for a few moments while security can stop the attacker. |
| 12:16.45 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: but question is what will be a size of that hot batteries, sadly maybe need to place for get out the warming temperature? |
| 12:17.25 | SpeedEvil | Drathir: If the battery is a cubic meter - you don't care about the time to warm it - you simply wrap it in insulation so it stays warm. |
| 12:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:17.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | vacuum (dewar) isolation |
| 12:17.55 | Drathir | oh in that way... |
| 12:18.04 | SpeedEvil | almost bought a 200l dewar on ebay. |
| 12:18.09 | SpeedEvil | I'm sorry I diddn't in a way. |
| 12:18.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 12:18.20 | SpeedEvil | It'd have made an excellent hot-water cylinder. |
| 12:18.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 12:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but those dewar containments are kinda pita to handle |
| 12:19.21 | SpeedEvil | In principle, yes. |
| 12:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are vacuumized silica sealed isolation plates for buildings nowadays |
| 12:20.08 | SpeedEvil | Which are annoyingly expensive - also small ones suck - the edge leak is quite significant. |
| 12:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | allegedly they keep vacuum for at least 10 years |
| 12:20.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 12:20.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | possible |
| 12:21.06 | SpeedEvil | In some places they are worth it - simply as if you have 100m^2 of wall, and you can make the walls 10cm thinner - bingo - 10m^2 of extra space that you can sell. |
| 12:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, nothing an additional 20cm of polystyrene foam couldn't realistically solve |
| 12:21.18 | SpeedEvil | And in some places land prices make that worth it. |
| 12:21.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 12:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a car or bus I think dewar/vacuum is also a great choice, due to volume |
| 12:22.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a hot water storage inhouse though... |
| 12:23.17 | SpeedEvil | With insulation in houses - especially for high temperature stuff - you run into fundamental limits. |
| 12:23.52 | SpeedEvil | If you have an isotropic insulator, then if you put more than about a couple of diameters of insulation on a pipe - you're not going to get any improvement |
| 12:24.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders what's an isotropic isolator |
| 12:25.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess I see what you say |
| 12:25.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | tmperature gradient in isolator vs surface |
| 12:25.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes thick isolation of tubes a futile effort |
| 12:25.43 | SpeedEvil | An insulator that is the same in all directions |
| 12:25.55 | SpeedEvil | Same with insulation of hot water tanks. |
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| 12:26.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, rather get a perfect ball as containment |
| 12:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | to minimize surface |
| 12:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | a cube might be almost as good |
| 12:27.34 | SpeedEvil | Even then - you're faced with a pretty stark limit if you need to store - say - 10l of water. |
| 12:27.43 | SpeedEvil | It's admittedly not so bad for 100l. |
| 12:29.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 12:29.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | only ratiometric though, the absolute loss still is higher |
| 12:30.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW it doesn't make sense to store 100L when you only need 10 |
| 12:30.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | err right? |
| 12:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course right |
| 12:32.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders what's more efficient: one 100L ball or 10 * 10L balls, given you "empty/fill" them one after the other completely, rather than taking 10% out of each |
| 12:35.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | a tower of 10 10L balls might be more economic if you usually have a "filling" of 50%, I guess. Compared to one large ball with a hot upper and a cold lower half that are not isolated against each other |
| 12:37.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | getting worse for less filling, on 10% fill it becomes obvious |
| 12:38.05 | SpeedEvil | Storing 100l loses more heat than 10l. But not that much more heat. |
| 12:38.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | a battery of 20 usual 10L warm water boilers that only 1 or 2 of them are hot beats your dewar 200L hands down |
| 12:38.21 | SpeedEvil | Proportionately - the 10l container loses a _lot_ more heat faster. |
| 12:40.13 | SpeedEvil | And off to the garden to finish making a fruit-cage before the birds eat all my blackcurrants |
| 12:40.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey! hurry |
| 12:41.05 | Lava_Croft | the strawberries too! |
| 12:41.07 | Lava_Croft | goddamnit |
| 12:41.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't forget my 2013-raspberry marmelade please! :-D |
| 12:41.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | best raspberry marmelade I ever had |
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| 13:40.58 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:41.04 | SpeedEvil | No raspberries this year |
| 13:41.19 | SpeedEvil | Virus issues - I pulled them, and will be replanting next year. |
| 13:46.02 | Lava_Croft | :< |
| 13:47.11 | ShadowJK | 's hotwater tank is some 300l |
| 13:52.06 | Shapeshifter | Any alternatives to modest that are any better? |
| 13:52.11 | Shapeshifter | With large inboxes, modest is eating up my battery and for a few days now I can't access gmail accounts anymore (wrong user name or password) |
| 13:53.58 | Lava_Croft | I think the only alternative would be webmail or that Claws port |
| 13:55.13 | Lava_Croft | Shapeshifter: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/c/claws-mail/ |
| 13:55.30 | Lava_Croft | cant really tell you how good or bad it is though |
| 13:55.52 | Lava_Croft | hm |
| 13:55.56 | Shapeshifter | I tried claws a while ago and it was pretty shit. not well optimized for mobile use |
| 13:56.04 | Lava_Croft | i guess you are out of luck then |
| 13:56.09 | Lava_Croft | but not sure |
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| 13:56.49 | Shapeshifter | awe man... I don't want either an android nor a windows phone but the n900 is getting increasingly annoying to use every day |
| 13:57.59 | Lava_Croft | yeah, ive even gone as far as overclocking to make it bearable |
| 13:58.04 | Lava_Croft | and buying an n9 thats now mostly unused |
| 13:58.15 | Lava_Croft | im just silly and i keep hoping for some jolla thing |
| 13:58.22 | Lava_Croft | so far i can manage fine with n900 and n9 |
| 13:59.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | insider secret tip: reflash completely, incl your user data. Will work wonders for speed |
| 14:00.04 | Shapeshifter | How far is jolla? Last I checked they only had some personalization thing going on with interchangeable covers. totally irrelevant |
| 14:00.16 | Lava_Croft | well, that apparently is the start |
| 14:00.36 | Lava_Croft | it seems its up to jolla and 3rd parties to make me a HW keyboard other halgf |
| 14:00.37 | Lava_Croft | half* |
| 14:00.49 | Lava_Croft | and proper landscape support |
| 14:01.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for mail, you shouldn't be surprised when poor little N900 gets kinbda exhausted when you try to manage an imap account with zillions of mails on it |
| 14:01.11 | Lava_Croft | but after two maemo devices that got zero support apart from replacing broken devices, im a bit weary |
| 14:01.22 | Lava_Croft | not really wanting to get a 3rd device that ends up being unsupported |
| 14:01.37 | Lava_Croft | unsupported by the company that produced it, of course |
| 14:01.47 | Lava_Croft | community is special :) |
| 14:02.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf means "unsupported"? |
| 14:02.52 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer05: any ensible mobile client caches and retrieves only a reasonable amount of mails. with indexing, pretty much any size database can be managed by arbitrarily weak devices. modest is simply quite shit |
| 14:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | when the bricklayers leave your newly built house after it finally got finished, do you consider your house "unsupported"? |
| 14:03.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Shapeshifter: reality proves you false |
| 14:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even my desktop mailer can handle really huge amounts of mail |
| 14:05.05 | Drathir | <3 strawberries... mmmmm.... |
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| 14:08.14 | Venemo_N9 | hey guys |
| 14:08.45 | Drathir | Lava_Croft: BB dont forget about user who want hw kb... |
| 14:09.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and on the initial topic of N900/fremantle getting slow: /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db growing to insane size is a notorious problem for device speed |
| 14:10.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that db is size>1MB you for sure have a problem |
| 14:11.00 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: can handle but performance of fast using it will be poor database search take a time... |
| 14:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey Venemo_N9 |
| 14:12.11 | Venemo_N9 | what is the way to deal with an N900 with a broken USB port? my brother successfully broke my old N900 :( |
| 14:12.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 14:12.36 | infobot | hmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 14:14.35 | win7mac | Venemo_N9, you're the dev of IRC chatter? |
| 14:14.58 | Venemo_N9 | win7mac, indeed I am :) |
| 14:15.40 | GeneralAntilles | (How much for a BB10 port?) |
| 14:16.40 | Venemo_N9 | I wanted to do it |
| 14:16.45 | Venemo_N9 | I don't have a BB10 device, that's the thing |
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| 14:17.05 | Venemo_N9 | and now BB said they won't update the playbook either |
| 14:18.50 | Venemo_N9 | GeneralAntilles, that being said, I could do it given some free time :) |
| 14:19.12 | win7mac | Venemo_N9, I use IRC chatter and have a bouncer for 3 channels. On startup/playback the app hangs and asks to be closed. Usually, when I hit no it works, but not always... |
| 14:19.38 | Drathir | GeneralAntilles: BB isnt cheap but warrianty is if nothing changed great... also when you buy you sell with good price add little money and hew new one higher model... |
| 14:20.01 | Venemo_N9 | win7mac, I'd appreciate if you could give me details in email |
| 14:20.06 | Drathir | hew = have* |
| 14:20.30 | win7mac | Have you set a timeout for app response - if so please allow more time to load playback |
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| 14:20.59 | Venemo_N9 | win7mac, I didn't |
| 14:21.43 | Venemo_N9 | win7mac, but as I said, if you give me some details in email, I'd gladly look into it |
| 14:21.51 | win7mac | An error msg appears: "the app is not responding, would you like to close it?" |
| 14:22.04 | win7mac | basically, that's it |
| 14:22.10 | Venemo_N9 | that's coming from the operating system |
| 14:22.32 | Venemo_N9 | the question is, what are you doing with the app when that message appears? |
| 14:22.35 | Drathir | win7mac: that show without touching a screen? |
| 14:23.10 | win7mac | Drathir, yes, that show without touching a screen |
| 14:24.03 | win7mac | Venemo_N9, I simply open IRC chatter and assumingly during loading of playback it hangs |
| 14:24.27 | win7mac | ... and the error msg appears |
| 14:24.28 | Venemo_N9 | what is 'playback'? |
| 14:24.41 | Drathir | oh that worse, because i show that most of the apps with high using of ram can do this pressing multiple times on screen in app or pressing fast fews times on close button... |
| 14:25.44 | win7mac | Venemo_N9, a bouncer to save the chat while you're offline. It loads to client when opening that |
| 14:25.58 | Drathir | if that make it without any accion looks like high resource usage system reaction on... |
| 14:26.45 | Drathir | win7mac: maybe huge amount of data trying to load to ram? |
| 14:26.48 | Venemo_N9 | win7mac, hm, I understand |
| 14:27.08 | Venemo_N9 | win7mac, which version are you using? |
| 14:27.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Venemo_N9: ZNC playback |
| 14:27.52 | Venemo_N9 | DocScrutinizer05, yeah I get it |
| 14:28.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Venemo_N9: basically just usual IRC traffic, though high load |
| 14:28.25 | win7mac | Venemo_N9, I'm using 0.3.2 |
| 14:28.26 | Drathir | im not sure maybe im wrong but maybe good idea will be to store bufer on disk and load only part of them ? |
| 14:28.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: that's not how it works |
| 14:29.07 | Venemo_N9 | I probably know what the problem is, then |
| 14:29.44 | win7mac | ...meaning you can fix it? |
| 14:29.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | your event loop doesn't service whatever OS watchdog, as long as inbound IP packages pile up |
| 14:30.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | also ZNC might use some throttling of buffer playback I guess |
| 14:30.50 | Venemo_N9 | possibly the problem is that the GUI becomes non-responsive because of the high load |
| 14:31.18 | win7mac | that's what I think |
| 14:31.27 | Venemo_N9 | the app was not designed with receiving too many messages at once, so it tries to update the GUI upon every sigle message |
| 14:31.43 | GeneralAntilles | Venemo_N9, I'm desperate for a decent IRC client. |
| 14:31.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I think there must be some throttling already, since it was insane to blast out IRC posts at max speed of a i5 system |
| 14:32.06 | Venemo_N9 | GeneralAntilles, thanks for saying that mine is decent :) |
| 14:32.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | via a connection that's prone to pkg-loss |
| 14:32.18 | GeneralAntilles | Venemo_N9, I really like it. |
| 14:32.24 | Venemo_N9 | :) |
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| 14:32.58 | Venemo_N9 | GeneralAntilles, would you like to see it in cascades or would it be fine with a custom UI? |
| 14:33.04 | win7mac | I like it too since it's the only available for N9... :p |
| 14:33.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you want to ask in #znc about the issue |
| 14:33.10 | GeneralAntilles | Forced to use a Yaaic "port" |
| 14:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | Venemo_N9, Cascades would be /nice/, but custom UI doesn't bother me. |
| 14:33.37 | GeneralAntilles | Might be a good excuse for me to figure out Cascades later if I have a project I can play with it for. |
| 14:34.28 | Venemo_N9 | GeneralAntilles, the thing is that it's written with meego components but now I also have a custom Qt5 gui in the works |
| 14:34.53 | Venemo_N9 | so that would be the easiest to use on BB10 |
| 14:35.42 | win7mac | I already limited the playback to only bounce the last 500 lines/per channel |
| 14:36.05 | win7mac | that helped a bit (was 2000) |
| 14:36.11 | Venemo_N9 | win7mac, I'll look at it tomorrow |
| 14:36.33 | Venemo_N9 | right now I don't have a computer |
| 14:36.34 | win7mac | great, many thanks Venemo_N9 |
| 14:38.07 | GeneralAntilles | Isn't scrollback limited to 300 lines? |
| 14:38.46 | jon_y | irc client? |
| 14:38.51 | jon_y | try irssi? |
| 14:39.53 | win7mac | Venemo_N9, while your at it, sometimes IRC chatter does not reconnect to server after powersaving mode kicks in. I then have to close and restart it |
| 14:41.15 | win7mac | jon_y, IRC client for N9... irssi is fremantle only |
| 14:42.48 | jon_y | well, you could build it yourself |
| 14:42.56 | Lava_Croft | run irssi remotely |
| 14:42.58 | Lava_Croft | login over ssh |
| 14:43.06 | jon_y | that works too |
| 14:43.10 | jon_y | ssh + screen |
| 14:43.17 | Lava_Croft | yup |
| 14:43.22 | Lava_Croft | mosh works too i guess |
| 14:43.28 | Lava_Croft | that works better over iffy connections, for some |
| 14:43.59 | jon_y | still, key bindings are funny on a N9 glass screen |
| 14:44.15 | Lava_Croft | to be honest, i was surprised at how well meego term works though |
| 14:44.17 | jon_y | I keep my N900, thanks :) |
| 14:44.21 | Lava_Croft | i was in for a really shitty ride |
| 14:44.32 | Lava_Croft | but it turns out it works well, given no HW keyb |
| 14:44.48 | jon_y | iirc there was some custom terminal emulator |
| 14:44.50 | Lava_Croft | MesInput lets you switch keyboard layouts with a swipe, so that is handy too |
| 14:45.01 | Lava_Croft | yeah, but that one isnt as smooth as meego term |
| 14:45.04 | Lava_Croft | its qml based |
| 14:45.18 | jon_y | supposedly better, keyboard doesn't take half the screen |
| 14:45.19 | Lava_Croft | and theres a fork of meegoterm that doesnt really anything i use |
| 14:45.29 | Lava_Croft | yeah, keyboard is transparent on that one |
| 14:45.36 | Lava_Croft | but keyboard also doesnt always respond well |
| 14:45.43 | Lava_Croft | which is far more annoying than having a tiny screen |
| 14:45.54 | jon_y | which one has the transparent keyboard? |
| 14:46.00 | win7mac | jon_y, well, I can't build anything myself, coding-wise... |
| 14:46.05 | Lava_Croft | FingerTerm is the qml one with a nice looking transparent keyboard |
| 14:46.16 | jon_y | win7mac: perl and glib-2 |
| 14:46.41 | jon_y | Lava_Croft: ok, your recommendation? |
| 14:47.10 | Lava_Croft | stick to standard terminal |
| 14:47.18 | jon_y | hmm, ok |
| 14:47.22 | Lava_Croft | i used fingerterm for quite a while and recommended it to others too, but in the end i switched back to the stock term |
| 14:47.41 | Lava_Croft | maybe it works better for you, its worth a try |
| 14:47.45 | Lava_Croft | the application itself is very nicely done |
| 14:47.49 | jon_y | my N9 is in cold storage for the last few months |
| 14:47.51 | Lava_Croft | and the transparent keyboard is smart |
| 14:47.52 | Lava_Croft | same here:) |
| 14:48.01 | Lava_Croft | i just end up grabbing the n900 |
| 14:48.02 | jon_y | has there been any major/cool updates? |
| 14:48.06 | Lava_Croft | no clue |
| 14:48.09 | Drathir | using ssh+irssi all the time... |
| 14:48.12 | Lava_Croft | i saw someone was working on something he calls a PowerPack |
| 14:48.17 | jon_y | yeah, still prefer n900 |
| 14:48.19 | Lava_Croft | and wich is kind of like a CSSU attempt |
| 14:48.23 | Drathir | amyway pidgin can handle irc... |
| 14:48.30 | jon_y | does it at least have gcc? |
| 14:48.39 | jon_y | a *nix system witout a working C compiler is kind of pointless |
| 14:48.46 | Lava_Croft | jon_y: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87047 |
| 14:48.47 | jon_y | iirc nokia tried to remove it |
| 14:48.59 | Lava_Croft | jon_y: and of course stuff like MeeCast still recieves updates |
| 14:49.01 | Lava_Croft | and billboard |
| 14:49.05 | Lava_Croft | but no real big things iirc |
| 14:49.39 | jon_y | I can't even imagine not being able to program a *nix machine |
| 14:50.02 | jon_y | yeah, I have aegis on the N9 |
| 14:50.06 | Lava_Croft | im a *nix opportunist |
| 14:50.11 | Lava_Croft | i only use it when its a better solution |
| 14:50.17 | Lava_Croft | which basically means in my pocket and as my server |
| 14:50.18 | jon_y | kind of an ass for nokia to implement ACL |
| 14:50.53 | jon_y | N9 is *nix enough, it feels empty without a compiler |
| 14:51.09 | Lava_Croft | Well, the N9 was never really meant as a *nix device tho |
| 14:51.18 | jon_y | but it is! |
| 14:51.35 | Lava_Croft | i still think its amazing how *nix it is, given its supposed to be a mainstream device |
| 14:51.35 | jon_y | I can forgive it if it was a Lumia phone |
| 14:52.42 | jon_y | heh, MS promised the phones have unlocked boot loaders and stuff |
| 14:52.56 | jon_y | nothing seems to be happening on WP |
| 14:55.17 | Lava_Croft | yeah, its a bit sad |
| 14:55.30 | Lava_Croft | my brother has wp7 and 8 devices and to be honest, its not that bad when comparing to ios and android |
| 14:55.35 | Lava_Croft | and its certainly smoother and better looking |
| 14:55.41 | Lava_Croft | but there's just nothing happening |
| 14:55.54 | Lava_Croft | overall its as bland as windows |
| 14:56.00 | Lava_Croft | chuckles |
| 14:59.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: if only it was ACL |
| 15:00.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | it however is more like SE-linux done the wrong way |
| 15:01.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegis |
| 15:01.41 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 15:02.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | the last URL I like the most |
| 15:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's absolutely to the point, in just 3 sketches |
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| 15:04.54 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: that some doublespeak from nokia |
| 15:05.05 | jon_y | to make sure that the platform meets the |
| 15:05.09 | jon_y | requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment." |
| 15:05.34 | jon_y | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 15:05.43 | jon_y | and sufficiently drive them away |
| 15:05.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
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| 15:14.12 | Venemo_N9 | win7mac, most of the time it does for me |
| 15:16.28 | win7mac | Venemo_N9, anything you can do about the reconnection issue? |
| 15:17.43 | win7mac | Venemo_N9, you mean it does reconnect on your device? |
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| 15:17.58 | Venemo_N9 | win7mac, yep |
| 15:18.14 | win7mac | ohk... |
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| 15:32.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I talked to some guys in #znc, they do throttling - for *inbound* traffic - MUHAHAHAHA |
| 15:33.37 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 15:33.39 | win7mac | DocScrutinizer05, thanks for investigating |
| 15:34.26 | win7mac | do they throttle outbound traffic too? - does that cause problem for mobile clients? |
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| 15:39.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, they don't throttle outbound, and of course they bashed me with "send a patch" and "it's the client's fault, not ZNC's" |
| 15:40.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway throttling *inbound* is as useful as... fighting a flood with tennis bat volleys |
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| 15:41.06 | win7mac | hehe... |
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| 17:28.09 | Sc0rpius | You can throttle inbound with the window size in the IP packets that is how for example bittorrents clients cap their download |
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| 19:27.07 | Macer | hm. i need to get my bt keyboard working on this n900 |
| 19:27.11 | Macer | but then again.... |
| 19:27.20 | Macer | every time i get it working perfectly ... my n900 breaks lol |
| 19:28.27 | Macer | just finished installing abiword heh |
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| 20:48.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think he meant break like "... into two halves" |
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| 22:02.40 | shawnjefferson | ~seen DocScrutinzer51 |
| 22:02.43 | infobot | i haven't seen 'docscrutinzer51', shawnjefferson |
| 22:03.11 | win7mac | gn o/ |
| 22:03.17 | shawnjefferson | ~seen DocScrutinizer05 |
| 22:03.17 | infobot | docscrutinizer05 is currently on #maemo (2d 8h 42m 10s) #openmoko (2d 8h 42m 10s) #n9 (2d 8h 42m 10s) #harmattan (2d 8h 42m 10s) #meego (2d 8h 42m 10s) #maemo-ssu (2d 8h 42m 10s) #infobot (2d 8h 42m 10s) #openmoko-cdevel (2d 8h 42m 10s). Has said a total of 414 messages. Is idling for 1h 15m 8s, last said: 'I think he meant break like "... into two halves"'. |
| 22:04.03 | shawnjefferson | hi |
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| 22:11.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi |
| 22:14.38 | shawnjefferson | what does it mean to request to be the maintainer of a package? What happens after clicking that button? |
| 22:17.25 | sixwheeledbeast | I guess e-mail to the current maintainers, NFC if that works now or if it is midgard magic. |
| 22:19.16 | shawnjefferson | hmmm, I sent a pm to the current maintainer of atari800, but no email yet. I've got a compiled version of v3.0.0 ready to go. trying to figure out how to get it into extras-dev and hopefully into extras testing eventually |
| 22:20.20 | shawnjefferson | I also sent an invitation request for access to autobuilder/extras. who is currently approving those? |
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| 22:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's merlin1991 and/or me |
| 22:41.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already wondered if atari800 is free of copyrighted stuff that would get us into trouble |
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| 22:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you never get compiled versions of anything into extras-* |
| 22:44.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the procedure is to upload the source to autobuilder |
| 22:45.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is the only way to allow review of the true sourcecode |
| 22:46.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise everybody could upload whatever they like, incl all flavours of malware |
| 22:47.42 | bef0rd | has anyone tried to upload malware/malicious packages? |
| 22:48.24 | shawnjefferson | atari800 doesn't contain any copyrighted material, the roms are not included |
| 22:48.51 | shawnjefferson | I would upload the source of course to autobuilder |
| 22:50.52 | shawnjefferson | Atari has been touchy in the past about anyone using the trademarked name "Atari", but frankly the n900 is probably off their radar. the upstream package is still named atari800 although to get into the google store they had to rename the port to Colleen |
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