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| 00:27.08 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet | congratulations and welcome to new BoD |
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| 00:28.04 | _jester_ | hello world |
| 00:28.09 | _jester_ | are the repos down ? |
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| 00:51.09 | xes | repos should be up again |
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| 01:16.32 | _jester_ | xes: thanks, they are up now, and i apologise for disappearing but some basic power outage issues at my end |
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| 01:44.53 | DrCode | hi all |
| 01:45.09 | DrCode | how do I fresh install meamo ? |
| 01:47.03 | _jester_ | fresh install = flashing |
| 01:47.15 | _jester_ | theres a great guide on the wiki, thats how i did it |
| 01:47.41 | _jester_ | would you like me to post the link ? |
| 01:48.43 | _jester_ | DrCode: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 01:48.55 | DrCode | ok |
| 01:48.57 | DrCode | thankyou |
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| 01:49.16 | DrCode | I didn't got my device yet, but I now understand how to flash it |
| 01:49.30 | DrCode | I just bout n900 on ebay |
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| 01:53.01 | _jester_ | well, its a great device, and theres another very good page on the wiki |
| 01:53.11 | _jester_ | called "the perfect setup" |
| 01:53.24 | _jester_ | go through the wiki and youd probably know more than you need to |
| 01:53.36 | _jester_ | i got mine a week back, been playing with it ever since |
| 01:55.42 | DrCode | I read that is battry not so good |
| 01:56.16 | DrCode | I mean , is there solution? |
| 01:57.35 | _jester_ | depends on how you use it, you can certainly optimize usage |
| 01:57.57 | _jester_ | i mean i use it sparingly and i get more than a day to a charge |
| 01:58.58 | _jester_ | theres a great app like "auto dissconnect" that closes idle connections wifi, gprs and bluetooth |
| 01:59.17 | _jester_ | that helps a lot and i highly recommend it, cause thats usually what eats up the battery |
| 01:59.53 | DrCode | ok |
| 02:00.10 | DrCode | I am thinking to buy microusb portable charger battry |
| 02:00.24 | DrCode | I found one that also support n900 |
| 02:00.31 | DrCode | 1980mha |
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| 02:00.41 | _jester_ | you can probably get loads of accessories , as have i |
| 02:01.05 | _jester_ | personal recommendation, for the first time, fully charge your phone with it being turned off |
| 02:01.19 | _jester_ | helps with the new battery but also helps with the old ones |
| 02:01.20 | DrCode | ok |
| 02:01.48 | DrCode | what amazed me , is that long time pass since nokia released n900, and still its the best phone |
| 02:02.45 | _jester_ | well, i guess because you can customize it more than any other device you can buy |
| 02:03.12 | _jester_ | i make my n900 do all sorts of weird things |
| 02:03.23 | DrCode | I know that ubuntu toch , mybe will try to do the same |
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| 02:03.58 | _jester_ | still with the community cssu , use easy debian if you feel experimental |
| 02:04.18 | DrCode | but I think meamo is much more customized |
| 02:04.23 | DrCode | yes |
| 02:04.33 | DrCode | is there good multi protocol IM |
| 02:04.43 | DrCode | I read that pidgin have supportin maemo |
| 02:05.12 | DrCode | I want also to connect my google+ and rss feed, I am using feadly |
| 02:07.00 | _jester_ | pidgin |
| 02:07.17 | _jester_ | once you get the n900, youd find all the relevant software in the application manager |
| 02:07.43 | _jester_ | and yes, you can use the rss feeds, i use 3-4 feeds on mine |
| 02:08.24 | _jester_ | unfortunately i have to leave DrCode , id catch you around, hopefully when you have the n900 with you |
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| 10:02.02 | Lava_Croft | is there any known bug with hdrcapture and saving photos? |
| 10:02.31 | Lava_Croft | it seems it doesnt save the photo and hangs, closing it still means i have to manually kill the process |
| 10:06.57 | Lava_Croft | it seems it hangs when trying to take the pictures |
| 10:07.04 | Lava_Croft | normal camera works fine |
| 10:10.34 | wnd | I get semiregular hangups/reboots with hdrcapture/fcamera and semiregular broken images even when everything seems to be going just fine |
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| 10:11.02 | Lava_Croft | it has always worked fine for me... |
| 10:12.06 | Lava_Croft | annoying... |
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| 10:17.17 | Lava_Croft | found it |
| 10:17.39 | Lava_Croft | camera save location was microsd from the start |
| 10:17.54 | Lava_Croft | changing to save on emmc and then using hdrcam again fixed it |
| 10:18.09 | Lava_Croft | i guess hdrcapture was missing DCIM folder on emmc |
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| 10:19.42 | japa-fi | Am I asking for troubles if I restore only rootFS and leave optFS untouched? |
| 10:20.11 | japa-fi | I think some update which I've done recently has messed up my camera (can't start regular camera nor BlessN900) |
| 10:21.17 | japa-fi | My idea would be restoring rootfs to rollback the system to earlier state, not to restore optfs so that I would have all the required packages ready for reinstall of tweetian |
| 10:21.57 | Lava_Croft | isnt it easier to just reinstall pkgs required by tweetian |
| 10:22.00 | japa-fi | Ah never mind., I'll scp those to my pc |
| 10:22.15 | Lava_Croft | you can just dpkg -i the tweetian .deb |
| 10:22.24 | Lava_Croft | and then apt-get -f install to make it pull the deps |
| 10:22.27 | japa-fi | I'm the dude who had serious troubles getting the required packages from repositories |
| 10:22.53 | Lava_Croft | i couldnt find that meego compat pkg either |
| 10:22.58 | Lava_Croft | i used apt-get -f install :P |
| 10:23.28 | Lava_Croft | but moving the .debs onto your n900 will work just as well:) |
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| 10:36.37 | japa-fi | I wonder if I broke my phone.. Can't get it to boot anymore. neither does it accept keyboard input in backupmenu |
| 10:37.54 | japa-fi | Guess is reflash time.. |
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| 10:41.14 | Lava_Croft | :( |
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| 10:45.40 | psycho_oreos | Wouldn't that be an issue with the kernel in question to cause the device (N900) to not boot anymore? |
| 10:46.09 | japa-fi | It did boot prior to me restoring the backup. |
| 10:46.29 | Lava_Croft | was the backup made with the same kernel as your current device |
| 10:46.29 | japa-fi | Though... The backup is prior to me installing kernel for powerusers |
| 10:46.35 | Lava_Croft | thats the problem there |
| 10:46.43 | Lava_Croft | you need the same kernel when restoring a backup and when the backup was made |
| 10:46.59 | japa-fi | But heck, I can't even access backupmenu (keyboard not functional) |
| 10:47.04 | psycho_oreos | Sounds like the backup contained a different kernel than what you already now have. Hence it wouldn't boot (it would show something like kpanic). |
| 10:47.04 | Lava_Croft | yup |
| 10:47.18 | Lava_Croft | at least you learned the hard lesson now:< |
| 10:47.27 | japa-fi | At least this time I have backups :) |
| 10:47.27 | Lava_Croft | as quite a few of us have:D |
| 10:47.42 | Lava_Croft | if you restore the backup, make sure the current device runs the same kernel as the backup |
| 10:47.59 | psycho_oreos | I think you might be able to get away with flashing nokia kernel instead if you still have all the appropriate libs for that kernel. |
| 10:48.15 | japa-fi | Do you have the multiboot menu, nitroid, stock kernel, powerkernel, backupmenu? |
| 10:48.20 | Lava_Croft | backupmenu |
| 10:48.26 | psycho_oreos | ^ (same) |
| 10:48.36 | Lava_Croft | and i tried to flash a backup with kp5x onto a stock nokia kernel device |
| 10:48.38 | Lava_Croft | which breaks it |
| 10:48.52 | japa-fi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.13 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 10:49.40 | Lava_Croft | to be safe, after i reflash, i update to latest CSSU and install latest KP |
| 10:49.43 | Lava_Croft | before restoring backup |
| 10:49.58 | Lava_Croft | (if the backup requires it:) |
| 10:49.58 | japa-fi | KP = Kernel power? |
| 10:50.00 | Lava_Croft | yeah |
| 10:50.17 | Lava_Croft | its important that the kernel on the device that recieves the backup is the same as the kernel in the backup itself |
| 10:50.32 | japa-fi | Well, now we will see what comes out of restore to plain nokia without installing CSSU prior that |
| 10:50.40 | Lava_Croft | :| |
| 10:50.46 | Lava_Croft | thankgod you still have the photos! |
| 10:50.49 | Lava_Croft | er i mean backup :) |
| 10:51.23 | japa-fi | The rammstein concert photos will be gone :( (Not many, but anyway...) |
| 10:54.59 | japa-fi | Oh, why didn't I create USB stick with some room for files. Could have saved the FW files + flasher there.. |
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| 11:01.17 | rikanee | japa-fi: you could load rescue kernel and copy to sd |
| 11:02.15 | japa-fi | How is that done? |
| 11:04.32 | jon_y | how do I put rescueOS in as a uboot entry? |
| 11:05.03 | kerio | ITEM_KERNEL="2.6.37" |
| 11:05.04 | kerio | ITEM_INITRD="rescueOS-1.0.img" |
| 11:05.04 | kerio | ITEM_CMDLINE="rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" |
| 11:05.14 | kerio | also ITEM_NAME to whatever you want |
| 11:05.37 | jon_y | and the kernel? |
| 11:05.44 | kerio | 2.6.37 is the name of the kerne |
| 11:05.44 | kerio | l |
| 11:05.46 | jon_y | no need to ubootize it? |
| 11:05.59 | kerio | put kernel and initrd in /boot or /opt/boot and then run u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 11:06.07 | kerio | it'll be automatically ubootified |
| 11:06.14 | jon_y | ah ok, thanks |
| 11:07.38 | kerio | oh, and you also need ITEM_OMAPATAG="1" |
| 11:07.38 | jon_y | kerio: lastly, where do I put the initrd? |
| 11:07.46 | japa-fi | Anyone have the flasher. Nokias website is messed up, the windows version downloads ok, but not the debian package |
| 11:07.58 | kerio | still in /boot or /opt/boot |
| 11:08.03 | japa-fi | "Duplicate headers received from server" is what chrome says |
| 11:08.19 | jon_y | japa-fi: try in IE or firefox |
| 11:08.29 | jon_y | I needed to try different browsers |
| 11:08.30 | japa-fi | Tried with firefox.. |
| 11:08.42 | japa-fi | I'll boot a VM to try with IE |
| 11:09.10 | Lava_Croft | wget? |
| 11:09.28 | jon_y | Lava_Croft: needs some funny cookie or GET/POST to work |
| 11:09.57 | Lava_Croft | ah yeah of course |
| 11:11.15 | japa-fi | Funnily, the windows binary can be downloaded without issues |
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| 11:18.09 | kerio | japa-fi: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ |
| 11:19.53 | japa-fi | Thanks, Just managed to pull it off with IE |
| 11:20.03 | japa-fi | Now I have those files also saved for future use |
| 11:21.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 11:21.05 | infobot | [backupmenu] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
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| 11:49.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | japa-fi: Lava_Croft: psycho_oreos: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1356738&postcount=1242 |
| 11:52.29 | japa-fi | good idea |
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| 11:55.52 | japa-fi | restored- Now restarting. Keeping fingers crossed |
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| 11:59.48 | japa-fi | We are Liiiiiive! |
| 12:00.04 | japa-fi | minus kernel for power users, minus tweetian |
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| 12:02.27 | japa-fi | now, where could I get the compability package required by tweetian |
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| 12:06.01 | japa-fi | Could someone provide me with a link to qt-components-10-com-nokia.meego-1.1-compat |
| 12:06.04 | japa-fi | package |
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| 12:10.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if somebody with a tiny bit of http/html knowledge is willing to help fix the "duplicate headers" problem as of quoted above |
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| 12:11.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flasher |
| 12:11.58 | infobot | from memory, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher, or http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 12:12.08 | japa-fi | Found solution to compability package, was in irc logs |
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| 12:12.30 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: nokia's web server is broken/non-standard. |
| 12:12.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: we can do sth about that |
| 12:13.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | just tell me what needs to be done |
| 12:13.39 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: mirror the website in IE, throw it up on Skeiron which has some newer httpd. |
| 12:13.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | nonsense |
| 12:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) that's already done, b) that's not what I asked for |
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| 12:15.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I want to fix the original place where to download all that stuff |
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| 12:15.38 | rikanee | NOK1V still won't redirect tablets-dev to skein? |
| 12:15.41 | rikanee | *skeiron |
| 12:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? |
| 12:16.28 | rikanee | point tablets-dev.nokia.com's A record to skein, and "fix" the original place to download. |
| 12:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: you know about unix tools host, dig, whois? |
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| 12:16.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: that's extreme nonsense |
| 12:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since we have NO control over the DNS records |
| 12:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | of nokia domains |
| 12:17.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | we *have* _some_ control over the _content_ of _some_ domains though |
| 12:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | so please tell me what's wrong with the content, rather than suggesting botching with DNS |
| 12:19.29 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: the HTML is correct. |
| 12:19.42 | rikanee | it's missing doctype and all, but it should work. |
| 12:19.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I won't abandon/abuse a akamai server farm to redirect to a 50EUR/month server at Hetzner ;-D |
| 12:22.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 12:22.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 12:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | goddamn php! |
| 12:31.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 12:32.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch URL when "Accept"! |
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| 12:36.28 | _jester_ | hello world |
| 12:36.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: so what exactly is the problem with tablets-dev.nokia.com flasher (et al) download? |
| 12:36.57 | _jester_ | so finally reflashed, and on the channel through the phone |
| 12:37.09 | japa-fi | hello _jester_ |
| 12:37.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, xchat |
| 12:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 12:37.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrxchat |
| 12:37.37 | infobot | it has been said that jrxchat is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ |
| 12:37.38 | _jester_ | and the doc wanted to double check |
| 12:38.29 | _jester_ | is that better DocScrutinizer05? |
| 12:38.52 | _jester_ | i got this cause im used to the interface on my desktop |
| 12:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, some users say it's mandatory to make xchat usable |
| 12:40.08 | _jester_ | its an old client, something i used to usee back in the day IRC was the only social media |
| 12:40.21 | _jester_ | i guess its nostalgia |
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| 12:41.03 | _jester_ | thankgod people arnt saying that about bitchx |
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| 12:41.16 | japa-fi | IrcII is the real thing. |
| 12:41.42 | _jester_ | see, there you go, purists |
| 12:42.18 | japa-fi | But now I'm on xchat (fedora), for N900 the irc clients are... pain |
| 12:42.41 | japa-fi | too small displayu |
| 12:43.41 | _jester_ | yea, but im making it work. just need to be on one channel and made the font bigger |
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| 12:44.03 | _jester_ | chnaged the colors. its do-able |
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| 12:46.35 | _jester_ | funny |
| 12:48.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | _jester_: that's what http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ is all about |
| 12:49.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: could you please check http://privatepaste.com/0fd2150c21 and see if the problem can get fixed there? |
| 12:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly: "" // user requested download. send file. "" and ""//added-comment(again?)jr20130531 header("Content-Disposition: attachment;filename=".@urlencode($filename));"" |
| 12:50.38 | _jester_ | DocScrutinizer: did all the configuration myself and im pretty comfy with it so far but thanks for the link |
| 12:50.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 12:52.01 | _jester_ | i had to reflash my phone the second time in 2 days, im guessing it must be due to overclocking, undervolting or smart reflex |
| 12:52.39 | _jester_ | just wondering how many people face the same issue |
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| 12:54.14 | _jester_ | perhaps theres a way to identify the exact issue |
| 12:55.23 | Raimu | Maybe the issue is overclocking and/or undervolting your n900? *smirk* |
| 12:56.06 | _jester_ | raimu: yea or smart reflex |
| 12:56.13 | _jester_ | :p |
| 12:56.29 | Raimu | Seriously though, what sort of oc/uv/sr thing have you got? I could say something from my experience. |
| 12:57.09 | _jester_ | well i overclocked the power50 to 250 850 |
| 12:57.16 | _jester_ | swapolube |
| 12:57.28 | _jester_ | ulv profile |
| 12:58.05 | _jester_ | and smart reflex |
| 12:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, more speed and less gasoline, makes sense |
| 12:59.00 | _jester_ | then came easy debian and it would restart when uncompressing the image |
| 12:59.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 12:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a completely unrelated but notorious issue |
| 13:00.28 | _jester_ | Docscrutinizer05: well the wiki said i could do it and before easy debian, it was very smooth |
| 13:01.33 | _jester_ | Docscrutinizer05: a friend/student urged me to try it out. i aint a debian fan specially not oa full desktop on this tiny screen |
| 13:02.27 | _jester_ | i do however think the enlightenment 17 environment would work great as a hildon replacement |
| 13:02.59 | _jester_ | too much work to customize it for the phone though |
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| 13:04.08 | _jester_ | so got easy debian working without overclocking but im hardly impressed |
| 13:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 13:06.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | "I bought this device because it's maemo, and I heard maemo is easy to turn into ubuntu"? |
| 13:07.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing wrong with tinkering with your N900 all you like, but don't expect stuff to work flawlessly. After all it's optimized for maemo fremantle |
| 13:08.01 | japa-fi | _jester_ what is ulv profile? |
| 13:08.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | not for enlightenment or nitdroid or easydebian or whatever |
| 13:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ultra low voltage |
| 13:08.47 | _jester_ | not my idea to change it into something else, i just like how enlightenment looks. its only a desktop environment |
| 13:08.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably should stay away from OC, voltage profiles, and SR |
| 13:09.32 | _jester_ | secondly the native maemo does lack a few applications i would have liked to see. |
| 13:10.24 | _jester_ | for one, i couldnt find a working twitter client, in part to the new twitter api im sure |
| 13:10.36 | _jester_ | no word processor. |
| 13:10.45 | japa-fi | _jester_ have you tried tweetian? |
| 13:11.00 | _jester_ | the email client certainly leaves much to be desired |
| 13:11.47 | Raimu | Tweetian is very nice, but requires CSSU I recall |
| 13:12.05 | _jester_ | japa-fi: not that i can recall, but id look it up, thanks |
| 13:12.22 | _jester_ | raimu: i got the cssu |
| 13:12.29 | Raimu | Ok! |
| 13:13.16 | _jester_ | Docscrutinizer05: id be staying away for now but its just so much fun messing with this device :p |
| 13:13.26 | Raimu | Did you say you use kp50? |
| 13:13.29 | japa-fi | _jester_ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88248 |
| 13:13.58 | Raimu | kp52 should be a good bit stabler. |
| 13:15.18 | _jester_ | id give that a go as well, and tweetian isnt on my fam. im on the stable cssu. dont think testing or devel is going to be my thing |
| 13:16.21 | _jester_ | kp52isnt there as well |
| 13:16.24 | psycho_oreos | <DocScrutinizer05> psycho_oreos: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1356738&postcount=1242 <-- kudos (+1) |
| 13:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | so... it's not my turn today to do the dish washing! Who's in charge to check that friggin problem with "duplicate headers" error when downloading flasher? I'll help and do the toweling |
| 13:17.20 | psycho_oreos | ~flashing |
| 13:17.20 | infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 13:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-04 14:36:47] <DocScrutinizer05> rikanee: so what exactly is the problem with tablets-dev.nokia.com flasher (et al) download? |
| 13:17.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-04 14:49:01] <DocScrutinizer05> rikanee: could you please check http://privatepaste.com/0fd2150c21 and see if the problem can get fixed there? |
| 13:17.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-04 14:50:27] <DocScrutinizer05> particularly: "" // user requested download. send file. "" and ""//added-comment(again?)jr20130531 header("Content-Disposition: attachment;filename=".@urlencode($filename));"" |
| 13:18.28 | _jester_ | japa-fi : doesnt install, says some required packages are missing |
| 13:19.21 | japa-fi | install qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat_1.0_all.deb from extras-devel |
| 13:19.50 | japa-fi | then install nelisquare, then install tweetian |
| 13:20.00 | _jester_ | japa-fi : i wont get conflicts and no need to enable the extras-devel repo? |
| 13:20.37 | japa-fi | The compat package is in extras-devel. I just downloaded the .deb manually: http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/pool/free/q/qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat/ |
| 13:20.54 | japa-fi | then dpkg -i qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat_1.0_all.deb |
| 13:21.07 | _jester_ | ah |
| 13:21.11 | japa-fi | then apt-get -f install |
| 13:21.12 | _jester_ | im on it |
| 13:21.20 | japa-fi | worked without extras-devel |
| 13:21.57 | japa-fi | Lastly, installed http://thecust.net/tweetian/meegothemefix_0_1_0_armel.deb for some missing icons or stuff |
| 13:22.05 | _jester_ | groovy |
| 13:24.49 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: and there's your problem |
| 13:25.10 | rikanee | the page is loaded onto itself. |
| 13:25.19 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, trying that tablets-dev from my end I get weird errors ranging from 503,504 using wget 1.14 (desktop) to 404 using firefox 21.0 (desktop). Tried to download maemo flasher for i386 initially then trying to download win32 version. |
| 13:25.56 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: a better solution would be for that page to set a token, and the downloads page checking for the token and referrer |
| 13:26.37 | psycho_oreos | Actually the bulk of those are 404 with firefox 21.0. |
| 13:26.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | this IS the download page |
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| 13:28.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: 404 is absolutely not reproducible here |
| 13:29.14 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, weird. Now I'm getting service unavailable for http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php. Before there was a disclaimer page before I click to accept and it would show me downloads but its just simply service unavailable. |
| 13:29.28 | psycho_oreos | Reference #6.63911d78.1372944479.1f680ff9 |
| 13:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, sth fscked up |
| 13:30.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | repository,maemo.org down. That explains a lot |
| 13:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | monitor.m.o |
| 13:31.33 | psycho_oreos | Reference #6.1cc633b8.1372944603.18707354 <-- refreshed a few times from my end. I do know there is a transparent proxy between my connection and to that website. The transparent proxy is by my ISP so I hope those error messages are directly from that link and not from my transparent proxy. |
| 13:31.45 | psycho_oreos | o.O |
| 13:34.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | %§"%)NVWEQ)$!)$!??()$)?'''§'"$"$¼¼!!!ł@@??!!!!!! |
| 13:35.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | SHEEEEEEEEET! |
| 13:35.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jul 4 15:18:29 blade-a kernel: vif vif-11-0 vif11.0: Frag is bigger than frame. |
| 13:35.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jul 4 15:18:29 blade-a kernel: vif vif-11-0 vif11.0: fatal error; disabling device |
| 13:35.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jul 4 15:18:29 blade-a kernel: xenbr1: port 5(vif11.0) entered disabled state |
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| 13:36.16 | psycho_oreos | That would explain why there's no network connectivity :). |
| 13:36.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
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| 13:38.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and again the incredible superheroes of techstaff rescued your infra in no time - we're up again |
| 13:38.39 | psycho_oreos | repository.maemo.org is up from my end (just by looking at the start page). tablets-dev also works but the links from my end are telling me corrupted content data. |
| 13:40.49 | psycho_oreos | "wget http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=flasher_3.12.1_i386.deb" shows the file is 17K whilst firefox still shows corrupted content data. |
| 13:42.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | wget doesn't work without massive messing around with cookies |
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| 13:43.17 | psycho_oreos | Ok yeah that was mentioned before, I'll just leave it at that. Seeing as how you've responded I'm going to try downloading the same deb file again. For N900, the flasher. |
| 13:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | downloading maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz and opening it in Ark worked just fine |
| 13:43.53 | psycho_oreos | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=flasher_3.12.1_i386.deb <-- still gives me corrupted content data :/ |
| 13:44.13 | psycho_oreos | thinks it will soon become a case of wfm lol |
| 13:44.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's the "duplicate content" issue I guess |
| 13:44.37 | psycho_oreos | tries another browser instead. |
| 13:45.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I rather would like to know why FF21 refuses to download, and how to fix that on server side |
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| 13:47.59 | psycho_oreos | Hmm the basic error reported by firefox isn't too helpful. Thinking of trying to get it maybe to output http headers and see if that helps? |
| 13:48.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | "inspect" in konqueror not exactly helpful to analyze what the server delivers and what might be odd with it |
| 13:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I asked for HTML/HTTP savvy to help fixing this issue |
| 13:49.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | *I* am not |
| 13:50.05 | psycho_oreos | ahh *nods* I'm not one as well. |
| 13:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just googled the "duplicate headers" error that chrome reported a few years ago and seems is still the issue, and looked into the php source and found http://privatepaste.com/0fd2150c21 which seems pretty related |
| 13:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have mimetype, Content-Type, Content-Disposition |
| 13:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems double or no Content-Disposition is related to that "duplicate headers" error |
| 13:54.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few years ago chrome started blowing chunks when encountering such a download, "to protect user" |
| 13:56.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so if any PHP expert has a suggestion how to improve/fix the code in http://privatepaste.com/0fd2150c21 to make downloads in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=flasher_3.12.1_i386.deb et al work flawlessly with all browsers, I'm highly interested to hear about your suggestions |
| 13:56.39 | psycho_oreos | Its easy to also assume firefox 21.0 is doing the same thing. Instead of displaying "duplicate headers" error it is showing "corrupted content data". |
| 13:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's what I think |
| 13:57.47 | psycho_oreos | rikanee said that the mirror link works fine. This is a very long shot but it might be worth trying to compare the two links to see where it might be wrong? |
| 13:58.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry you lost me |
| 13:58.50 | psycho_oreos | Oh wait, no that mirror site is not designed in the same way.. there's no disclaimer (!) to begin with. |
| 13:59.00 | psycho_oreos | takes that back. |
| 13:59.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 13:59.17 | psycho_oreos | hmm. |
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| 14:07.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw I just tried opening http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz in FF21, selecting "open in Ark" and it worked just fine |
| 14:11.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also tried to download and save Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z which worked fine until "do you want to overwrite existing file?" which I denied |
| 14:11.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ with FF21 |
| 14:12.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | on linux |
| 14:12.22 | psycho_oreos | Copied and pasted the link you mentioned into my firefox and I still get corrupted content data. On linux as well. |
| 14:12.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, c&p doesn't work |
| 14:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | see above rationale about wget |
| 14:12.53 | psycho_oreos | So refresh and manually click the link? |
| 14:12.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:14.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | literally simply click the link |
| 14:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess RMB and "save destination as..." doesn't work |
| 14:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | or might not work |
| 14:15.08 | psycho_oreos | Clicked the link as is after clearing cache and reloading the same page. |
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| 14:15.44 | ecc3g | odd. my n900 detects wall charger but not detect as mass storage mode... |
| 14:16.07 | psycho_oreos | Right clicked and clicked save destination as, firefox 21.0 gave the following error message "The download cannot be saved because an unknown error occurred. Please try again." |
| 14:16.36 | psycho_oreos | That's with the deb file (linux flasher for N900) |
| 14:16.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have no use for that file, will try to download it nevertheless |
| 14:17.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb right? |
| 14:19.02 | psycho_oreos | Apologies, was clicking on the harmattan one (flasher_3.12.1_i386.deb), just tried the one for fremantle with clicking it (to open) and right clicking (clicking to save as). Still with fremantle flasher it still shows error. |
| 14:19.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | clicked LMB, saved as..., opened with Archiver (Ark) -> fine |
| 14:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | FF21, Linux |
| 14:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno why you use RMB all the time |
| 14:20.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-04 16:14:46] <DocScrutinizer05> I guess RMB and "save destination as..." doesn't work |
| 14:20.39 | ecc3g | ahh reboot fixed it... |
| 14:21.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | though works as well for me |
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| 14:21.48 | psycho_oreos | Strange, some of the text files does prompt the download box, and one of the zip also works: Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Server_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.zip. I was LMB before which kept showing up corrupted content data, RMB gives me similar results with the exact same link as given using LMB and trying to save destination as. |
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| 14:24.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: you might be connected to a akamai server that has garbled content, maybe? |
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| 14:25.20 | psycho_oreos | Actually that makes no sense, japa-fi said that the win32 flasher can be downloaded in his case but in mine I get corrupted content regardless of which win32 flasher I try to download. |
| 14:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~/config/openvpn/joerg> host tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 14:25.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | tablets-dev.nokia.com is an alias for tablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net. |
| 14:25.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | tablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net is an alias for a1341.g.akamai.net. |
| 14:25.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | a1341.g.akamai.net has address 84.53.175.163 |
| 14:25.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | a1341.g.akamai.net has address 84.53.175.153 |
| 14:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo 84.53.175.163 tablets-dev.nokia.com >>/etc/hosts |
| 14:26.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 14:26.36 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, Similar output: tablets-dev.nokia.com is an alias for tablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net. | tablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net is an alias for a1341.g.akamai.net. | a1341.g.akamai.net has address 125.56.218.8 | a1341.g.akamai.net has address 125.56.218.27 |
| 14:26.55 | psycho_oreos | Yeah that actually may help I suppose. |
| 14:27.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously NOT same output |
| 14:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-04 16:24:16] <DocScrutinizer05> psycho_oreos: you might be connected to a akamai server that has garbled content, maybe? |
| 14:27.21 | psycho_oreos | Though the alias did work though :) |
| 14:28.20 | japa-fi | psycho_oroes: I didn't check the content validity, just that the download started and I was able to save the windows version of flasher |
| 14:29.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | japa-fi: you forgot to assign <tab> to nick-complete, in xchat? ;-) |
| 14:30.00 | psycho_oreos | I guess it looks like the Google's public DNS is messed up. "dig tablets-dev.nokia.com" outputs "a1341.g.akamai.net. 19 IN A 165.254.99.73 | a1341.g.akamai.net. 19 IN A 165.254.99.33 | ;; Query time: 495 msec | ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)" |
| 14:30.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's messed up in it? |
| 14:30.30 | japa-fi | DocScrutinizer05, haven't used it before. Thanks for mentioning |
| 14:31.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | akamai runs server farms for content distribution |
| 14:31.16 | psycho_oreos | japa-fi, though you were using the same browser for the two links right? one on windows flasher and the other for linux flasher. The windows flasher from the same browser worked but not the linux flasher from the same browser. At least that was the same impression as what I thought. |
| 14:31.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's supposed to deliver different IP for everybody |
| 14:31.34 | japa-fi | That's correct |
| 14:32.22 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, I thought host relies on DNS server to provide IP addresses. Though host output isn't as useful (imho) as dig output which shows the DNS server that is queried in question. |
| 14:32.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually the IP you see should result in a short traceroute path |
| 14:32.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | host -a does same |
| 14:33.04 | psycho_oreos | Haven't tried host -a, going to have a poke at it now. |
| 14:33.36 | psycho_oreos | Ahh yes indeed :D thanks. |
| 14:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 14:34.09 | psycho_oreos | So.. if I try using the IP address from your DNS output then I should in theory be on the same page as you :D. |
| 14:34.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 14:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus [2013-07-04 16:26:26] <DocScrutinizer05> echo 84.53.175.163 tablets-dev.nokia.com >>/etc/hosts |
| 14:35.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | (don't forget to remove it after tests finished!) |
| 14:36.02 | psycho_oreos | It might be faster to just punch in the IP address into the browser bar ;) |
| 14:36.43 | psycho_oreos | Hmm no, going to try what you said instead lol. |
| 14:36.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | that might not pan out |
| 14:36.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | since then the vHost doesn't match |
| 14:37.07 | psycho_oreos | It didn't :/ lol, wasn't as easy as I thought. |
| 14:37.34 | psycho_oreos | Yeah plus the way large mirrors work. |
| 14:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | i.e. it asks server about "http://84.53.175.163" instead of "http://tablets-dev.nokia.com" |
| 14:38.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | also don't forget to restart FF, it for sure uses internal IP table cahce |
| 14:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | cache even |
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| 14:39.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want to make sure all works fine, have a look at what's actually going on with netstat or wireshark, it should show a connection to IP 84.53.175.163 |
| 14:40.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you then STILL see that annoying error, then it has to be related to your local system |
| 14:40.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously |
| 14:41.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | we then probably need to compare... err FF settings |
| 14:41.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 14:43.31 | psycho_oreos | Haha I don't think we'll need to boil down that far.. to FF settings :D. Though I'll need to find out how to make systemd reload /etc/hosts or where would it read the list of hosts instead. I've just finished editing my /etc/hosts but host output still points back to the old link. |
| 14:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | host doesn't use etc/hosts |
| 14:45.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's resolver-lib that opens tc/hosts |
| 14:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | host tool doesn't use resolver lib |
| 14:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it directly asks your DNS server |
| 14:46.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | FF only uses resolver lib when URL<->IP isn't internally cahced already |
| 14:46.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 14:47.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | konqueror afail always used resolver lib |
| 14:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik* |
| 14:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course your DSL router might run a transparent DNS proxy |
| 14:49.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | for any requests on port 53 |
| 14:49.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's irrelevant here |
| 14:50.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it just might introduce delays for any changes in public geoDNS server data to propagate to your system |
| 14:51.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | even to dig/host |
| 14:51.09 | psycho_oreos | I hope that isn't the case lol, transparent DNS proxy. It's already annoying that they are using transparent HTTP proxy to spoof internet connection throughput. Yeah I just learnt after asking in my #<distro_support_channel>, so hopefully restarting my FF should work, |
| 14:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can tell pretty easily, by replacing 84.53.175.163 by 127.0.0.1 in etc/hosts |
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| 14:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | then any request to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com shall fail |
| 14:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | then revert that to 84.53.175.163, and you can be rather sure a successful access to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com is in fact to 84.53.175.163 |
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| 14:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw not exactly unheard that parts of the akamai server farm have garbled data |
| 14:54.11 | psycho_oreos | Yeah, I thought prior to systemd it was historically to restart networking (was using debian based distro at that time). |
| 14:54.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | we seen that a lot when repos were on akamai |
| 14:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | (restart network) not needed |
| 14:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | DNS resolving is a duty of each app on its own |
| 14:55.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you run a local DNS proxy |
| 14:55.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | but even then, etc/hosts shall override any of that |
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| 14:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm no expert for that stuff, but what I'm telling is in line with my experience |
| 14:57.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I had my fair share of messing with DNs and etc/hosts lately, during migration#2 |
| 14:58.09 | psycho_oreos | Ahh I guess that's where I was under a false impression. I used to just simply add entries into /etc/hosts and expect things like host/dig to show the new data. That was wrong on at least two counts. Now I guess it makes sense how it works I mean you are saying more or less the same thing as what the other person said in my distro support channel. |
| 14:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | still a few dozen lines like |
| 14:58.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | # www.maemo.org maemo.org |
| 14:58.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | #188.117.59.200 www.maemo.org |
| 14:58.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | #188.117.59.200 planet.maemo.org |
| 14:58.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | in my etc/hosts |
| 14:59.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, and even |
| 14:59.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | 213.128.137.24 scratchbox.org |
| 14:59.20 | psycho_oreos | I've just restarted firefox and the links you mentioned that was working on your end is now also working on my end with the IP addresses you have provided. |
| 14:59.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | 213.128.137.24 lists.scratchbox.org |
| 15:00.17 | psycho_oreos | thinks about adding those in case it gets messed up again next time. |
| 15:01.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you say we traced it down to "akamai has garbled content"? |
| 15:02.07 | psycho_oreos | haha now my host output of tablets-dev.nokia.com has different set again: 23.32.241.106 23.32.241.97 |
| 15:02.37 | psycho_oreos | That's what I would be guessing at this stage by now yes. The garbled content from akamai got me going around in circles. |
| 15:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that's right, then adding the IPs won't help, since next time it might be THAT server that has garbled data |
| 15:03.18 | psycho_oreos | That'd be really annoying, its like playing Russian roulettes lol. |
| 15:03.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
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| 15:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | not much _you_ can do about it. _I_ might try to look into akamai syncing to stage and if sth is fishy in there |
| 15:04.01 | psycho_oreos | wonders if that should be added into the wiki page for future reference. That akamai can give out garbled data. |
| 15:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, please do! |
| 15:04.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | much appreciated |
| 15:04.35 | psycho_oreos | comments out the IPs that were mentioned and tries to use public DNS instead and see if its garbled. |
| 15:05.00 | psycho_oreos | itches head. Guess he could try in the very least. |
| 15:06.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: many many thanks for your patience and endurance in helping to evaluate that issue |
| 15:07.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 15:07.12 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, likewise for your contributions :) I wouldn't have figured that out easily being a simple garbled output. |
| 15:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | me neither, without your help |
| 15:09.13 | psycho_oreos | The wiki page does seem to be quite relevant on pointing out mirror for when &*^!! hits the fan. Not sure how can I make it sound any better.. hmm just add garbled/duplicate headers error I suppose. |
| 15:09.23 | psycho_oreos | Well I guess we're somewhat even then :) |
| 15:09.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | now if you also make a (mental) bookmark to monitor.m.o, you're in with the expert crew ;-) |
| 15:09.52 | psycho_oreos | It'd be hard but I suppose I can try. :) |
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| 15:12.49 | psycho_oreos | Ok wiki updated: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Note: I've decided to not go into the ramifications because I just don't see the need let alone to further confuse the end user. |
| 15:13.41 | psycho_oreos | At least the mirror link isn't some akamai mirrored link :) which is a :thumbs up: for me. |
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| 15:15.50 | psycho_oreos | Seems like the akamai aliases rotate fairly frequently too. Just noticed that its now a completely different set of IP: 69.192.4.67 69.192.4.34 |
| 15:16.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the mirror is a proper hetzner box ;-) |
| 15:16.33 | psycho_oreos | Yeah I'm not quite sure what hetzner is. *googles up* |
| 15:17.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | hetzner is a high reliability professional server hoster |
| 15:17.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | the defacto standard for at least Germany, if not Europe |
| 15:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | In 5 years I've seen one single unsolicited reboot and one downtime on my cloud-7 box which also is hetzner |
| 15:18.27 | psycho_oreos | Yeah I was about to say lol, never heard of them but I guess they may be put to the test if say PR1.4 gets released and that the main site is down (due to excess downloaders) *ducks*. |
| 15:18.51 | psycho_oreos | Ahh yeah I know that link :D the one where you hosted all the photos of N900 being stripped. |
| 15:19.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 15:19.55 | Fonk | hello everyone |
| 15:20.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi Fonk |
| 15:20.02 | psycho_oreos | hi |
| 15:20.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | welcome to maemo |
| 15:20.49 | Fonk | thanks Doc help me I installed pali's recovery boot |
| 15:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 15:21.20 | Fonk | and whenever I choose recovery console it reboots |
| 15:21.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali_: ^^^ |
| 15:21.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali_: ping |
| 15:22.00 | Pali_ | pong |
| 15:22.04 | Pali_ | whats up? |
| 15:22.32 | Pali_ | (no time to read full backlog) |
| 15:22.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | only 5 lines ;-P |
| 15:22.42 | Fonk | pali I am on cssu testing 8.2 and kpv51r1 |
| 15:23.00 | Pali_ | problem with recovery console? |
| 15:23.07 | Fonk | ya |
| 15:23.08 | Pali_ | update to last version from extras-devel |
| 15:23.19 | Pali_ | also check if you have last version of bootmenu |
| 15:23.23 | Pali_ | (from extras-devel) |
| 15:23.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | :)) |
| 15:23.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, we're a nice bunch ;-D |
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| 15:23.51 | Lava_Croft | merlin1991: how frequent, if ever, is your devel-light sync'd to the 'full' extras-devel? |
| 15:24.02 | Fonk | I am on recovery console 2-1 |
| 15:24.14 | Fonk | isn't it the latest version |
| 15:24.37 | Lava_Croft | http://maemo.org/packages/view/recovery-boot/ |
| 15:24.40 | Lava_Croft | seems to be! :) |
| 15:24.43 | Pali_ | ok |
| 15:24.49 | Pali_ | and bootmenu version? |
| 15:25.04 | Fonk | 1.12 |
| 15:25.29 | Lava_Croft | does kp allow you to boot with fb? |
| 15:25.33 | Lava_Croft | like that fb kernel MAG once put out |
| 15:25.46 | Pali_ | kp has external moduel for framebuffer |
| 15:25.50 | Lava_Croft | so you can see normal linux boot instead of magic dots |
| 15:25.52 | Lava_Croft | nice |
| 15:25.53 | Pali_ | and recovery console loading it |
| 15:26.06 | Pali_ | but that module is not loaded by default |
| 15:26.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you can load it during early boot as well |
| 15:26.24 | Lava_Croft | well, i used to use MAG's fb kernel quite a while ago, was wondering if kp supports that |
| 15:26.26 | Pali_ | yes, if you modify bootmenu or something other |
| 15:26.28 | Lava_Croft | any link to info? |
| 15:26.37 | Pali_ | ~zimage-fb |
| 15:26.42 | Lava_Croft | k |
| 15:26.47 | Lava_Croft | thanks |
| 15:27.09 | Pali_ | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/ |
| 15:27.14 | Pali_ | here it is ^^^ |
| 15:27.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali_: <Fonk> 1.12 |
| 15:27.37 | Pali_ | 1.12 is last bootmenu version in extras-devel |
| 15:27.51 | Pali_ | Fonk: which version do you have? |
| 15:28.06 | Pali_ | ah, I see 1.12 |
| 15:28.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1.12 ^^^^ |
| 15:28.42 | Pali_ | in my git repo is fixed bug which can cause reboot when entering to recovery console |
| 15:28.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
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| 15:29.02 | Pali_ | maybe it is that problem |
| 15:29.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ afk, RL calling |
| 15:29.41 | Pali_ | problem happends when R&D mode was never activated and R&D key in CAL is missing |
| 15:30.00 | Pali_ | I will release new version of bootmenu in next weeks |
| 15:30.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-04 17:29:44] <-- Fonk has left this server (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). |
| 15:30.19 | Lava_Croft | Pali_: fbcon is module, right? |
| 15:30.28 | Pali_ | easy fix for that could be: enable R&D mode via flasher, boot maemo, shutdown, disable R&D mode |
| 15:30.34 | Pali_ | Lava_Croft: yes |
| 15:30.46 | Lava_Croft | what is the sane way to make that work at boot on maemo? |
| 15:31.00 | Pali_ | infobot: #maemo zimage-fb is on http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/ |
| 15:31.00 | infobot | okay, Pali_ |
| 15:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, excellent ibot factoid |
| 15:31.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 15:31.57 | Pali | Lava_Croft: edit /sbin/preinit |
| 15:32.04 | Pali | no other way for early loading |
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| 15:32.14 | Lava_Croft | ok, thanks |
| 15:32.26 | Pali | but editing preinit can be dangerous (and can cause unbootable device) |
| 15:32.33 | Pali | so make sure you know what doing |
| 15:32.55 | Lava_Croft | i know, thanks for the warning:) |
| 15:32.59 | Pali | btw, I'm preparing new version of sbin/preinit for CSSU with option to early load kernel drivers |
| 15:33.05 | Lava_Croft | nice |
| 15:33.36 | Pali | and for speed up booting bootmenu, backupmenu and recovery console |
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| 15:33.48 | Lava_Croft | i guess adding to to modules to probe/load should be enough? |
| 15:34.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, please no speedup adventures |
| 15:35.07 | Pali | speedup will be: if special variable is set it means that devices in /dev/ are already created |
| 15:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather make damn sure you only replace unaltered genuine preinit |
| 15:35.30 | Pali | because now something creating preinit, something bootmenu and something recovery console |
| 15:36.10 | Pali | and something which is in bootmenu must be in preinit (e.g. some upstart depends on /dev/ttySOMETHING) |
| 15:37.02 | Pali | I'm only fixing mess in preinit and adding some checks which create needed files for booting |
| 15:37.28 | Fonk | so pali its time to wait till you release new version of recovery console |
| 15:37.54 | Pali | [17:30:28] <Pali_> easy fix for that could be: enable R&D mode via flasher, boot maemo, shutdown, disable R&D mode |
| 15:38.05 | Lava_Croft | aw, probing fbcon via preinit didnt get rid of the dots |
| 15:38.12 | Pali | yes |
| 15:38.21 | Pali | there are 2 different dots |
| 15:38.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: nah, you need to stop those dots explicitly |
| 15:38.27 | Lava_Croft | for gods sake |
| 15:38.27 | Pali | 1. dots from framebuffer |
| 15:38.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | resp kick them out |
| 15:38.31 | Pali | 2. dots from Xserver |
| 15:38.40 | Lava_Croft | both were gone with MAG's fb kernel tho |
| 15:38.43 | Lava_Croft | (im not too technical) |
| 15:38.50 | Pali | 1. is some process started from /etc/init.d/fb* |
| 15:38.55 | Pali | 2. is unknown for me now |
| 15:39.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2. is foo_progress somewhere |
| 15:39.21 | Lava_Croft | all i know is that flashing MAG's fb kernel gets you a normal looking linux boot process |
| 15:39.26 | Lava_Croft | without any of the dots |
| 15:39.37 | Lava_Croft | i was under the impression this would too :< |
| 15:40.19 | Pali | going offline, bye :-) |
| 15:40.27 | Lava_Croft | have fun! |
| 15:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | etc/X11/Xsession.d/01xprogress |
| 15:40.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | etc/X11/Xsession.post/22xprogress-stop |
| 15:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 15:41.07 | Fonk | thank you pali, doc, lava and all others for your help |
| 15:41.17 | Lava_Croft | no problem, its the maemo way! :) |
| 15:41.39 | Fonk | :) |
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| 15:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | however without monolithic fb, you'll miss out on early boot log |
| 15:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | some systems do a dmesg >/dev/console immediately after loading console aka fb |
| 15:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt maemo does that on default |
| 15:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
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| 15:45.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | mag's fb kernel had the annoying problem of not booting once out of 3 times, iirc |
| 15:46.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | luckily it rebooted unattended then |
| 15:47.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly PANIC |
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| 15:47.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never looked into it |
| 15:58.55 | merlin1991 | Lava_Croft: every day at 5 am cest |
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| 16:08.27 | Lava_Croft | merlin1991: heh, much more than i thought. Thanks for that! |
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| 16:30.04 | Sumedhe | Hello |
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| 16:32.53 | psycho_oreos | hi |
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| 16:36.28 | Sumedhe | Hello |
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| 16:38.19 | psycho_oreos | hi |
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| 17:04.34 | Macer | hm |
| 17:04.44 | Macer | the presets on the maemo wiki dont' seem to wrok with new versions of handbrake :-/ |
| 17:07.02 | psycho_oreos | So find a solution and maybe update it? |
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| 17:09.26 | Macer | trying to :-P |
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| 17:16.29 | Macer | hm. let me test this preset out and see what it looks like |
| 17:16.39 | Macer | this am A10 isn't encoding video as quickly as i thought it would |
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| 17:35.16 | GI_Jack | I am trying to download flasher-3.5 fom nokia but I keep on getting a corrupted data error |
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| 17:39.55 | psycho_oreos | GI_Jack, tried the mirrored site? |
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| 17:44.44 | GI_Jack | the mirrored site does NOT have flasher-3.5 |
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| 17:48.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | nonsense |
| 17:48.43 | Lava_Croft | googling for it probably reveals a copy somewhere |
| 17:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~skeiron |
| 17:48.48 | infobot | well, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143, or see: ~tabletsdev |
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| 17:49.02 | psycho_oreos | GI_Jack, So what's this http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ ? |
| 17:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/ |
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| 17:49.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz |
| 17:49.33 | GI_Jack | thanks |
| 17:49.57 | GI_Jack | psycho_oreos, that wasn't linked to their main page on tablets, so I missed it |
| 17:50.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit the links are very misleading |
| 17:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | Maemo 4.1.2 Diablo kernel patch and new kernel image for USB Networking on Windows, ver 0.4 |
| 17:50.59 | psycho_oreos | GI_Jack, just because it wasn't on the main page doesn't automagically meant that it was not there. It pays to inspect more thoroughly. |
| 17:51.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or Maemo 5 for Nokia N900 -> Command line flasher binaries are available here. |
| 17:52.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | wherever it been, it's not any more hidden than on original site |
| 17:52.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | since skeiton is a 99.99% mirror of original nokia sites |
| 17:53.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 0.001% is about some removed annoyances |
| 17:54.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | that weren't available for duplication anyway |
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| 17:56.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | GI_Jack: so I honestly wonder how you managed to download corrupted data from tablets-dev.nokia.com but didn't find the exactly same link on skeiron |
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| 17:59.09 | japa-fi | Darn, since installing kernel power, my camera does not work :( |
| 17:59.16 | japa-fi | I have latest fcam-drivers |
| 17:59.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | no you don't |
| 17:59.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | FAQ #1 |
| 17:59.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | uninsatll and reinstall fcam |
| 18:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
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| 18:05.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp |
| 18:05.37 | infobot | [kp] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 |
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| 18:06.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=15381193 |
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| 18:16.51 | GI_Jack | ugg, well my phone is reflashed, I hate to say this, but this phone is done, the GSM modem sheildering has taken more abuse than I can reasonably hope to repair it with |
| 18:18.31 | kerio | R.I.P. GI900, you have been a good phone |
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| 18:19.07 | kerio | GI_Jack: to be fair, it's still a fairly decent tablet |
| 18:19.47 | GI_Jack | my main phone is my old razr v3 |
| 18:20.08 | GI_Jack | along with the original nokia 6121 probably all time greatest handsets |
| 18:21.30 | GI_Jack | found a new phone on ebay with a broken USB port, and a new USB port, total cost: 40 USB |
| 18:21.31 | GI_Jack | USD |
| 18:21.45 | GI_Jack | along with a new case from china, which is already painted |
| 18:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | japa-fi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=971456#post971456 |
| 18:24.54 | japa-fi | DocScrutinizer05, thanks. So far I've already removed and reinstalled blessn900 |
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| 18:26.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | japa-fi: you need to unsinstall *all* apps that depend on fcam drivers, only then the drivers will get uninstalled and thus new drivers get installed on installing any of the fcam/blessN900/whatever apps |
| 18:27.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as any app depends on the drivers, they are 'locked' and won't get updated |
| 18:28.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 18:28.12 | japa-fi | DocScrutinizer05, ok, this time i did apt-get remove fcam-drivers |
| 18:28.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | hearsay |
| 18:28.25 | japa-fi | That removed the blessn900 too. Now restarting |
| 18:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | that sounds like working :-) |
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| 18:30.15 | japa-fi | Ok, the default camera now works. |
| 18:30.25 | japa-fi | Time to install blessn900 |
| 18:34.34 | japa-fi | Installed blessn900, camera no longer works :( |
| 18:34.46 | japa-fi | Guess I'll have to live without blessn900 |
| 18:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | when I stream my disk images to nsa.gov, where will I download the backup when I need it? |
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| 18:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, they build up a yotabyte backsup center and don't hand out the restore URL and credentials. That sucks |
| 18:41.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | japa-fi: I guess you did sth wrong. Ask pali |
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| 18:52.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fcam |
| 18:53.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: do you know what's the "problem" with fcam kernel drivers and KP? |
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| 19:23.55 | DrCode | hi all |
| 19:24.27 | DrCode | I am thinking to buy power bank or mugen battery , any recommanded? |
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| 19:39.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | DrCode: what for? |
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| 20:44.02 | DrCode | extended battery life |
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| 20:58.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | for extended battery life reduce your usage |
| 20:58.59 | Marshall_Banana | :) |
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| 21:00.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a less facetious note, I can't give any recommendation without info that allows to evaluate whether e.g. mugen will even help on what you want to accomplish |
| 21:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you want 24h of maemo-hotspot operation, mugen will hardly be the right choice. When you want to do geocaching, then probably an external powerpack is a poor advice |
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| 21:05.29 | ShadowJK | for 8h streaming radio, mugen works |
| 21:06.00 | DrCode | ok |
| 21:06.11 | ShadowJK | as long as you have good 3g/2g signal :) |
| 21:06.29 | DrCode | mugen is good or better powerpack? |
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| 21:07.30 | ShadowJK | ? |
| 21:08.22 | ShadowJK | mugen 2400 is attached to N900, powerpacks are external and connected with a cable, like a charger |
| 21:08.32 | ShadowJK | their purpose is a bit different |
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| 21:10.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I tried to explain |
| 21:11.00 | DrCode | ok |
| 21:11.13 | DrCode | what is powercell battery? |
| 21:11.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | a normal battery |
| 21:12.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | with maybe 20% more capacity than genuine BL-5J |
| 21:12.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe not though |
| 21:12.47 | DrCode | I see |
| 21:12.49 | DrCode | ok |
| 21:13.22 | DrCode | I think I will go with mugen , but its seems to be expensive |
| 21:13.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | generaly the most simple and most economic solution for extended operation time without a charger is a simple spare battery in your pocket, to swap |
| 21:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | mugen is bulky, costly, and not even pulling the sausage off your hotdog |
| 21:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | for special needs it might be right solution |
| 21:15.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally, I don't like the idea to increase one dimension of the N900 by 50% |
| 21:15.36 | DrCode | I see |
| 21:15.44 | DrCode | thanyou |
| 21:15.56 | DrCode | yes, I am too |
| 21:16.17 | DrCode | bcz I am thinking to use powerpack or powercell |
| 21:16.31 | DrCode | is there better then powercell ? |
| 21:16.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably not |
| 21:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a good thread about all available (and not available) batteries and their true performance |
| 21:17.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | on tmo |
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| 21:18.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I usually have a second BL-5J in my jacket and once or twice a year I swap it for the one in device, when I do way more activity on device than usual |
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| 21:18.49 | DrCode | ok |
| 21:18.55 | DrCode | thankyou |
| 21:18.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
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| 22:31.40 | LauRoman | not really a fan of a tarball install on the n900 but a guide readme file says "then copy |
| 22:31.40 | LauRoman | the SnXM icon and .desktop file to the appropriate system folders.". Is anyone kind enough tosay what those folders are? those files are related to the icon file for the app, but where am i supposed to put them? |
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| 22:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/applications/hildon/*.desktop |
| 22:50.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | /opt/usr/share/icons/*/*/*/*.png |
| 22:51.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | LauRoman: ^^^ |
| 22:52.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g: |
| 22:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | /opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/hildon/alarmed.png |
| 22:52.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | /opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon/alarmed.png |
| 22:52.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | /opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/hildon/alarmed.png |
| 22:52.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | /opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon/alarmed.png |
| 22:52.19 | LauRoman | thanks a bunch i'll try it |
| 22:52.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | keep in mind that you probably first should install icons, only then the .desktop |
| 22:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | once you install/copy/mv the .desktop, some inotify-wait will notice it and try to cache the icons as mentioned in that .desktop |
| 22:53.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe not |
| 22:54.45 | Macer | doh |
| 22:55.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems that's the problem when apt-get installs .desktop before .png and then you end up with a blue square (rather squircle) instead of your app's icon, on applauncher |
| 22:56.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | they forgot to add a simple "sleep 5" there |
| 22:58.54 | LauRoman | worked great, thans a lot, i don't usually install stuff manually, and when i do, this kind of stuff is already scripted in |
| 23:01.13 | Macer | hm. seems easier to just install tablet-encode into cygwin |
| 23:01.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably a "touch /usr/share/applications/hildon/*.desktop" will fix any blue-squircle issue |
| 23:01.20 | Macer | mencoder seems to encode faster than handbrake |
| 23:01.39 | Macer | going to check out if my preset worked heh |
| 23:12.02 | Macer | ugh. these updates to the database for media |
| 23:12.15 | Macer | they ruin lives :) every time you disconnect the usb cable it seems to do it |
| 23:13.38 | Macer | omg be for real. ugh. maybe if i remove like a few thousand mp3s lol |
| 23:14.08 | Macer | handbrake fail. n900 can't play the video i encoded :-/ |
| 23:14.10 | Macer | wth/ |
| 23:23.06 | Macer | hm. let me try with ffmpeg instead of x264 |
| 23:23.15 | Macer | maybe that will work out better |
| 23:23.29 | kerio | DrCode: fwiw, on aliexpress there's an unnamed battery that yields 1600mAh |
| 23:23.40 | kerio | for 10usd |
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