| 00:02.06 | Macer | how odd |
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| 00:09.12 | Win7Mac | ~STV |
| 00:09.12 | infobot | hmm... stv is Single Transferable Vote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote |
| 00:15.13 | Win7Mac | seems like emails for subsribed tmo threads are unreliable ATM? |
| 00:17.12 | Win7Mac | ok, need to go to bed now. gn o/ |
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| 02:59.01 | Macer | hm |
| 02:59.14 | Macer | trying to figure out wtf is eating up my cpu right now |
| 03:00.19 | Macer | how odd. my applet is showing a ton of cpu being used but htop shows 25-50 percent |
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| 03:01.37 | Macer | is there an applet that shows cell network traffic? |
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| 03:04.02 | Macer | oh. i guess it was the ap widget |
| 03:04.04 | Macer | lame |
| 03:08.39 | Macer | ok maybe not |
| 03:08.47 | Macer | my video is chopping up ugh |
| 03:12.34 | Macer | let me try to oc |
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| 10:01.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: assuming that you don't have perceptual impairment and no magic spell either, when we don't say "your hw is fubar" we need to closely inspect and investigate _all_ the non-standard stuff that you installed and/or did on your N900. All your reports are not 'normal' for a stock fremantle installation. So I honestly would ask you to a) create a BM backup and osso-backup of your flawed system, create a description as precise as |
| 10:01.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | possible of what you installed and configured and did and what been the problems you encountered, and then pretty please do a full reflash, DONT install *anything* and just use the device in stock config with stock apps/sw for at least a week, to rule out any hw problems or external source of trouble (e.g. AP, GSM carrier, whatnot else) |
| 10:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and please don't forget a "uname -a" |
| 10:07.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a "for n in 0 1 2 3 4; do dd if=/dev/mtd$n of=<yourSDcard>/mtd${n}dump; done" |
| 10:08.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | make that your-uSD-card |
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| 10:24.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | *absolutely* unrelated FYI factoid: |
| 10:25.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ./omap34xx-boot-order |
| 10:25.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | sys_boot[5:0]: 0x30 |
| 10:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Boot order: USB UART3 MMC1 OneNAND -- |
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| 10:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | so *theoretically* aiui it *should* be possible to provide a xloader/NOLO file via MMC1 |
| 10:27.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | (we discussed this several weeks ago, either here or over in #maemo-ssu) |
| 10:28.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I forgot about omap34xx-boot-order back when |
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| 11:09.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I again found CAL and gconf have enough stuff for weeks of experimenting |
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| 11:30.06 | Pali | DocScrutinizer51: problem is: we do not know filename(s) which are loaded from SD card (mmc1 is sd card) and also if nokia X-Loader can load NOLO from SD card... |
| 11:30.29 | Pali | I do not have documentation for HS devices |
| 11:30.41 | Pali | or is there one leaked? |
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| 12:10.05 | rikanee | Pali: http://omappedia.org/wiki/E-MMC_boot ? |
| 12:11.01 | Pali | rikanee: do you see there something about HS devices? |
| 12:11.22 | Pali | there is info only about GP |
| 12:11.51 | Pali | I already wrote that we do not have documentation for HS devices :-( |
| 12:11.53 | rikanee | shouldn't the Beagleboard connect MMC/eMMC to OMAP same way N900 does (embedded SDHC controller) |
| 12:12.36 | Pali | bootrom is different, because nokia n900 is HS (high secure) device |
| 12:12.53 | rikanee | so, x-loader needs signature? |
| 12:12.55 | Pali | so it will not load bootloader signed with gpsign.c program |
| 12:13.32 | Pali | right, x-loader has strong signature |
| 12:13.35 | Pali | not gpsign |
| 12:14.08 | Pali | MLO file signed by gpsign is only for GP devices, not for our HS |
| 12:14.11 | rikanee | Pali: tried disassembling x-loader? |
| 12:14.17 | Pali | yes |
| 12:14.46 | Pali | but AES256bit signature is uncrackable |
| 12:14.53 | Pali | so modification is not possible |
| 12:15.23 | rikanee | fwiw, you could try flashing x-loader onto a SD card, and see if OMAP bootrom reads it from there |
| 12:15.51 | rikanee | (how to check this, though?) |
| 12:15.59 | Pali | "flashing x-loader onto SD card" how? |
| 12:16.04 | Pali | under which file name? |
| 12:16.15 | Pali | or how to store it? |
| 12:16.24 | rikanee | file name's either mlo, mlo-mmc(0,1,2) on first FAT16 partition on sdcard |
| 12:16.31 | Pali | MLO not! |
| 12:16.34 | rikanee | *FAT32 |
| 12:16.46 | Pali | MLO is GP bootloader name signed with gpsign |
| 12:16.58 | Pali | this not working on our HS devices... |
| 12:17.03 | rikanee | :( |
| 12:17.38 | Pali | and there is another problem: X-loader booting NOLO booloader (somehow) |
| 12:17.48 | Pali | and NOLO is stored in NAND |
| 12:18.06 | rikanee | Pali: x-loader cannot be modified, so if it's hardcoded to load NOLO, it'll always load what's flashed to NOLO's area |
| 12:18.14 | rikanee | but at least, NOLO doesn't have to be signed |
| 12:18.28 | Pali | but maybe bootrom loading full first nand partition and X-loader *maybe* skip to RAM (nothing loading) |
| 12:18.39 | Pali | NOLO is not signed, right |
| 12:19.09 | Pali | but in X-Loader bin there are some strings like "nand partition" and similar |
| 12:19.54 | rikanee | Pali: if you want u-boot in boot chain, then you'll have to replace NOLO with some program to just jump to a bigger memory area, and load u-boot from there |
| 12:20.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | side note: MMC1 is uSD |
| 12:20.34 | Pali | I think current u-boot stored in kernel area is good (for now) |
| 12:20.46 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: yep, yep: I assume that Nokia devs used uSD as OMAP primary boot device in development |
| 12:20.51 | Pali | u-boot can load kernel from mmc and sd |
| 12:21.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | uBoot is not related to this topic |
| 12:22.28 | Pali | here is only info which I found about image format which can our HS omap board boot: http://and-developers.com/partitions:isw |
| 12:23.23 | Pali | "TI's eFuse patent mentions that the “X-LOADER” string is required for the system to boot in HS mode" |
| 12:24.04 | Pali | somebody with access to internal TI datasheets? |
| 12:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 12:31.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ROM:0000000C 02 00 51 E1 CMP R1, R2 ; Checks whether it is running at the correct RAM location. |
| 12:31.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ROM:00000010 1B 00 00 1A BNE loc_84 ; If it's not, branches into a dead loop. |
| 12:33.55 | rikanee | Pali: ISW isn't documented anywhere :( |
| 12:34.30 | Pali | rikanee: I know, above url is only one which I found... |
| 12:34.55 | rikanee | I smell that it may be locked out using Trustzone |
| 12:35.54 | Pali | I already wrote (maybe year ago?), forget hacking x-loader and nolo |
| 12:36.15 | Pali | also now with working uboot we do not need to modify nolo & x-loader |
| 12:36.56 | Pali | and with cold-flashing (also implemented in 0xFFFF) we can reflash x-loader & nolo even if nand partitions are erased |
| 12:36.59 | rikanee | Pali: none of that ISW stuff ever showed up with raw dumps of mtd, so selective lockout is the only assumption I have about it |
| 12:37.36 | Pali | and cold-flashing (flashing nolo&x-loader) working also with totally discharged battery |
| 12:37.52 | rikanee | the marketing materials for Trustzone say that locked-out regions are completely invisible to the user, so there's that |
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| 12:41.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project >>Note: If you are using an HS (High Security) OMAP device, an extra step is required. First, build x-load.bin using the steps above. Then, download the MShield signing tool and use the commands below. Contact your TI representative to get access to this tool.<< |
| 12:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote: ((forget hacking x-loader and nolo)) hacking NOLO is perfectly feasible and already been done |
| 12:43.34 | jon_y | Contact your TI representative to get access to this tool. <- oh uh |
| 12:43.47 | jon_y | going to be stuck in purgatory |
| 12:45.55 | rikanee | nda tool, likely |
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| 12:48.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/wkpark/x-loader-cosmo/blob/master/generate_MLO |
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| 12:49.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | IFT_EXE="$IFT_DIR/ift" |
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| 12:54.41 | rikanee | mysteriously, the binary's missing. |
| 12:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 12:56.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you might be able to get that binary in darknet |
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| 15:50.48 | Drathir | japa-fi: http://pastebin.com/zb9HW5ZM |
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| 15:57.21 | japa-fi | What repo is that in? I have enabled extras, extras-devel, community and the two nokia ones (ssu apps, ssu mr0) but still can't get that one |
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| 16:40.26 | Drathir | japa-fi: http://pastebin.com/rJDb3FjU |
| 16:42.08 | Drathir | japa-fi: btw sorry that late ansfer because im jumping throught channels... |
| 16:42.19 | Drathir | answer* |
| 16:42.52 | amin007110 | Could someone help me with wireless connection problem? N900 can't connect anymore to any router with any level of protection; however Ad-Hoc (ex: Mobile HotSpot) and GPRS works without problem. Upgrading to KP52 or booting in OMPA1 kernel doesn't make any difference. It scans wifi networks, asks for preshared key on connect request, but wifi icon remained blinking after that until switching wlan0 off or connect to GPRS, reboot, etc.. Also if wlan0 was sti |
| 16:42.52 | amin007110 | ll turned on, GPRS notification icon remains blinking though it already connected. Switching wireless off produce 'error connecting to network' message and answering NO to retry request presents you a stable GPRS notification icon. |
| 16:50.07 | Drathir | any error message eg. cant connect? |
| 16:52.32 | japa-fi | Drathir: No worries, I also jump between millions of workspaces and do stuff. The paste had expired or you copied the id wrong, could you redo it? |
| 16:52.55 | Drathir | amin007110: maybe dhcp have a problems try to assign static adresses... |
| 16:53.23 | Drathir | japa-fi: yes ofc |
| 16:54.19 | Drathir | japa-fi: http://pastebin.com/1F761qqj |
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| 17:00.57 | amin007110 | Drathir, no error at all. |
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| 17:06.53 | japa-fi | Drathir: This is incredible. Enabled the same repositories as you have. Yet, the qt-components-10-com-nokia.meego-1.1-compat cannot be found.. :( |
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| 17:11.07 | Lava_Croft | http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/pool/free/q/qt-components-10-com.meego-compat/ |
| 17:11.11 | Lava_Croft | ' |
| 17:11.12 | Lava_Croft | er |
| 17:11.27 | Lava_Croft | http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/pool/free/q/qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat/ |
| 17:11.32 | japa-fi | I must have incorrect extras-devel defined then.. |
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| 17:11.58 | Lava_Croft | trying tweetian? |
| 17:12.07 | japa-fi | My intention is to instal that... |
| 17:12.27 | Lava_Croft | try to dpkg -i it and after it whines about dependencies let it install and do apt-get -f install afterwards |
| 17:12.30 | Lava_Croft | to make it fix deps |
| 17:12.35 | Lava_Croft | thats how i installed tweetian anyway |
| 17:12.42 | japa-fi | I had http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free |
| 17:12.52 | Lava_Croft | i guess thats fine too |
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| 17:17.14 | japa-fi | Trying dkpg -i. It results to: qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat pre-depends on qt-components-10. qt-components-10 is not installed. |
| 17:17.52 | japa-fi | Not famialiar with .deb packages (fedora user). I take this is safe to ignore (as you mentioned before). Question is: how? |
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| 17:21.18 | Lava_Croft | try apt-get -f install now |
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| 17:21.32 | Lava_Croft | 'apt-get -f install' |
| 17:21.42 | Lava_Croft | no quotes etc |
| 17:22.50 | Lava_Croft | if dpkg cries about dependencies, dpkg is smart (not) and just installs the .deb anyway |
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| 17:25.51 | japa-fi | wohoo! Now I have tweetian installed |
| 17:25.55 | japa-fi | thanks |
| 17:25.55 | Lava_Croft | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.11 | Lava_Croft | no problem |
| 17:29.35 | amin007110 | Drathir, manual IP assignment in Settings>>Internet Connections doesn't solve the problem. Now the Wi-Fi icon is blinking by the battery icon. It lasts forever :) |
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| 17:43.01 | devilinside | how to update cssu? |
| 17:43.25 | devilinside | ignored it when it showed in ham. |
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| 17:55.44 | devilinside | ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/ |
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| 17:59.20 | sixwheeledbeast | click update in HAM? |
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| 18:16.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | devilinside: your keybooooooooooooooooooooooooooard is broooooooooooooooooken |
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| 18:17.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | amin007110: you have - or had - auto-disconnect installed? |
| 18:18.05 | devilinside | DocScrutinizer05 : sorry :P |
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| 18:27.08 | amin007110 | DocScrutinizer05, No. |
| 18:27.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | then that's not it :-) |
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| 18:33.01 | amin007110 | DocScrutinizer05, dmesg shows that authenticating occurred. However, no IP assigned. Also I noticed that wifi icon in Hildon Menu changed to Ad-Hoc shape while trying to connect to a router. |
| 18:33.53 | amin007110 | iwconfig info says that wireless mode is managed. |
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| 18:42.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird |
| 18:42.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | icd2 messed up somehow |
| 18:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | or wpa-supplicant, a notorious biatch |
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| 18:56.31 | giorgioCE | i've found a problem on showing mail messages on gmail |
| 18:56.51 | giorgioCE | it report a strange message of error on server |
| 18:57.09 | giorgioCE | have you information about it? |
| 18:57.15 | freemangordon | giorgioCE: bug in tinymail, fixed in CSSU |
| 18:57.37 | giorgioCE | before we have not it |
| 18:57.45 | giorgioCE | why? |
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| 19:05.43 | ecc3g | google suddenly decided to change their server somewhat and an old bug in modest got choked up on it... now I wonder if I should start using CSSU or not... |
| 19:06.07 | kerio | cssu-stable is Recommended™ |
| 19:07.05 | giorgioCE | mm |
| 19:07.16 | giorgioCE | istruction for installation? |
| 19:09.52 | freemangordon | giorgioCE: the bug: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/tinymail/commit/3dc8ea1e0f59aa313de194849c9144be9845eb8e |
| 19:10.05 | freemangordon | ~cssu |
| 19:10.05 | infobot | hmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 19:10.14 | freemangordon | giorgioCE: instructions ^^^ |
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| 21:46.58 | ecc3g | finally installed cssu-stable :o |
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| 21:49.31 | GeneralAntilles | win7mac, I need to pick your brain about DSLR videography some time. |
| 21:49.59 | win7mac | sure |
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| 21:52.20 | omgmog | Has anybody got Firefox OS (B2G) working on their N900? |
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| 21:58.16 | GeneralAntilles | win7mac, been playing with the hacked Panasonic GH1/2 stuff. |
| 21:58.26 | GeneralAntilles | Impressive for the price range. |
| 22:00.46 | win7mac | absolutely and its even sharper than 5Dmark2 |
| 22:01.18 | win7mac | which would nevertheless be one step up |
| 22:01.31 | win7mac | but also in price |
| 22:01.58 | win7mac | sharpness is enough though |
| 22:02.04 | win7mac | for video |
| 22:03.02 | GeneralAntilles | yeah, wish Canon's downsampling weren't so mediocre |
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| 22:03.06 | GeneralAntilles | I have a 7D |
| 22:04.18 | win7mac | had 7D too and sold it, because 720p50 was unusable blurry |
| 22:04.32 | win7mac | but very good for foto |
| 22:05.20 | win7mac | look at 5Dmark3 if you can afford |
| 22:05.35 | win7mac | if you wanna proceed |
| 22:06.01 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, have been |
| 22:06.03 | win7mac | or C100 if your serious about video |
| 22:06.08 | GeneralAntilles | Out of my range for the moment |
| 22:06.28 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe once we start legitimately shooting things. |
| 22:06.41 | GeneralAntilles | Not enough time/drive lately. |
| 22:06.57 | win7mac | if you already got lenses, stick to GH-2 |
| 22:07.10 | win7mac | probably upgrade to GH-3 |
| 22:09.01 | GeneralAntilles | My friend is on Panasonic |
| 22:09.06 | GeneralAntilles | I'm all Canon |
| 22:09.31 | win7mac | ah, ok |
| 22:10.10 | win7mac | well, 7D is not bad, it has some nice features. first I was in love with it |
| 22:10.43 | win7mac | what are you shooting? |
| 22:12.54 | GeneralAntilles | Not enough |
| 22:13.04 | GeneralAntilles | We did a promo video for a local sculptor |
| 22:13.13 | GeneralAntilles | Shot a fashion show last year |
| 22:13.23 | GeneralAntilles | Need to shoot a commercial for work |
| 22:13.36 | win7mac | great! |
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| 22:14.45 | win7mac | get a good set of lenses and make sure the camera stays steady |
| 22:15.39 | win7mac | oh and make sure you get some atmo-sound, most underestimated... |
| 22:15.46 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 22:16.02 | GeneralAntilles | Zoom H4 and H4n |
| 22:16.18 | win7mac | wow! |
| 22:16.29 | win7mac | you got smth! |
| 22:18.47 | GeneralAntilles | Got a pair of Sennheiser lav mics and a shotgun mic, too. |
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| 22:19.30 | win7mac | when choosing glass, beware that you have a crop camera (APS-C). All focal distances given for dslr lenses are for fullframe cameras (35mm). so basically a 50mm lens is a 80mm on your 7D |
| 22:20.05 | win7mac | your audio equipm. sounds good |
| 22:20.12 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 22:20.14 | win7mac | ;) |
| 22:20.36 | GeneralAntilles | Part of why I went with the 7D is that I love shooting wildlife photography |
| 22:20.52 | GeneralAntilles | Shutter speed + crop work out really well for that. |
| 22:21.09 | GeneralAntilles | 100-400 and 100mm macro L. |
| 22:21.57 | win7mac | oh, been ther, done that... http://www.gido-griese.de/portfolio/feature/ |
| 22:22.36 | win7mac | used 7D for it! |
| 22:22.41 | win7mac | mainly |
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| 22:23.31 | GeneralAntilles | I noticed the DSLR stuff on your site last night, which I why I mentioned it today |
| 22:23.41 | GeneralAntilles | Need to watch some of the videos. |
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| 22:24.35 | win7mac | well, 1st video on that site is what I mean |
| 22:25.17 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 22:25.33 | win7mac | the other 2 were shot with sony pmw ex-3 |
| 22:27.47 | win7mac | here's some interesting DIY-stuff: http://www.gido-griese.de/dslr/dslr-powerbase/ |
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