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| 03:04.40 | Woody14619 | Ok, silly question: How do I type a pipe (|) in backumenu's terminal? Anyone know? ( robbiethe1st ?) |
| 03:05.01 | robbiethe1st | um |
| 03:05.39 | Woody14619 | :) Not a good sign to stump the writer. ;) |
| 03:06.22 | robbiethe1st | It's not in that documentation screen just before the terminal? |
| 03:06.25 | Woody14619 | Am trying to recover and want to copy data over. Best way I know is: tar -cf - . | tar -C /target/ -xf - |
| 03:07.36 | Woody14619 | no... talks about tab, < > and escape... no pipe. :P |
| 03:07.46 | robbiethe1st | Um, there may not be a way |
| 03:08.01 | robbiethe1st | it may not be in the alternate keyboard layout I had |
| 03:08.21 | robbiethe1st | it's changable, though... google for how to modify the keyboard layout on the N900.. |
| 03:08.24 | robbiethe1st | I forget exactly |
| 03:09.03 | Woody14619 | ah.. hmm.. keyboard layout change. :) Awesome. Thanks! |
| 03:09.07 | robbiethe1st | so, wait, why are you making a tarball, piping, and then restoring? |
| 03:09.18 | robbiethe1st | Why not just use cp or rsync? |
| 03:10.17 | robbiethe1st | also, shouldn't bm take care of backup/restore? |
| 03:10.22 | Woody14619 | cp is somewhat broken afaik in busybox. |
| 03:10.32 | Woody14619 | Yes, but this isn't a regualar restore... |
| 03:10.39 | Woody14619 | System at itself rather nastily... |
| 03:11.09 | Woody14619 | So trying to just recover what few things I need to get basic db back (sms, etc) vs a full restore... |
| 03:11.32 | robbiethe1st | What I'd probably do is run BM's backup function, for the rootfs at least, then use USB mode, connect to a Linux PC, and go create a new root/optfs |
| 03:11.45 | robbiethe1st | ...Or, restore those files from within Maemo |
| 03:12.02 | robbiethe1st | I've done that before as well -- the only files you have to restore from outside Maemo are OS-critical ones |
| 03:12.52 | Woody14619 | Was hoping to do it outside maemo, since it's never nice about replacing userdb :P But true... may be fine to do and then do a quick reboot |
| 03:13.45 | robbiethe1st | one option is to make a backup of your current system, open that backup on a Linux PC(usb mass storage mode) |
| 03:13.58 | Woody14619 | I'm just happy I was able to pull most of /opt off the old device. The rootfs ate itself. :P |
| 03:14.23 | Woody14619 | And would not recover.... so.. trying to recover what I can to the second device :P |
| 03:14.35 | robbiethe1st | That's odd |
| 03:14.44 | robbiethe1st | On my device, optfs tends to eat itself on a regular basis |
| 03:14.49 | robbiethe1st | never had an issue with the rootfs |
| 03:15.22 | Woody14619 | Pretty sure it's a bad flash block. Will try a re-flash on the old device once I know I got what I care about off it. :) |
| 03:15.37 | Woody14619 | But really, not too trusting of it now... |
| 03:18.27 | Woody14619 | The old one also took to rebooting randomly about 2 weeks ago... so... Now my backup becomes primary, and old one becomes test device. :P |
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| 03:18.56 | robbiethe1st | hm |
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| 03:19.16 | robbiethe1st | when you do a proper reflash, it should work around bad blocks |
| 03:19.21 | Woody14619 | Anyway, thanks for the help. :) And for the program that let me save what data was on there... |
| 03:19.29 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, NP |
| 03:19.42 | robbiethe1st | it's been like two years since I've been working on it, though |
| 03:19.45 | robbiethe1st | since I got a job |
| 03:20.00 | Woody14619 | Yeah, should... but never know if it will re-assign those out again later, so. :P |
| 03:20.28 | robbiethe1st | I mean, it has a bad-block table |
| 03:20.42 | robbiethe1st | built into the file system design |
| 03:20.50 | robbiethe1st | it should do wear-levelling as well |
| 03:21.00 | Woody14619 | That's assuming it's flagging it as a bad block. If it did, then a fsck should have recovered it. |
| 03:21.33 | robbiethe1st | maby |
| 03:21.50 | Woody14619 | would copy bad->good, and fsck could fix it... in theory. I guess rootfs is a little less recovery prone, being ubfs? |
| 03:22.07 | robbiethe1st | I think/hope |
| 03:22.32 | robbiethe1st | EXT2, on the other hand, isn't that resilliant |
| 03:23.14 | robbiethe1st | especially when OCing; there's supposed to be some corruption glitch somewhere, and OCing compounds it |
| 03:23.59 | Woody14619 | Yeah... Which is why I usually don't OC. Had a nice QBW to kick it on when needed, but rarely did. |
| 03:25.14 | Woody14619 | esp once thumb came out... wish they made it with 512M... would have made lots things a non-issue |
| 03:27.09 | Woody14619 | anyway, off to re-setup. :P thanks again! |
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| 08:18.06 | ashley | any idea why DrNokSnes would erroneously claim that saving the state of a game "Failed" when in fact it did generate a fully functional save file in the location I specified? |
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| 09:23.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | a question to the system hackers: how would I detect data traffic on a network interface? |
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| 09:33.01 | Lava_Croft | netstat? |
| 09:33.04 | Lava_Croft | i have no clue |
| 09:35.12 | Apic | dstat |
| 09:35.21 | Apic | vnstat |
| 09:36.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I resp my manpages don't know about dstat and vnstat |
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| 09:38.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | does anybody know of a kde or whatever systray applet that shows "leds" flashing up for not only disk access but also network traffic? |
| 09:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, I guess *some* sysnode or procnode should create *some* sort of even you could wait for, when a single byte of data gets transmitted via that NIC |
| 09:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | dstat sounds awesome |
| 09:44.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it's probably not exactly what I'm looking for |
| 09:45.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui it polls certain statistic *nodes on a regular time pace to gather statistics in time domain |
| 09:46.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | while I'm looking for a sort of IRQ that happens whenever there is activity on the device |
| 09:48.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | kinda like udev-monitor or inotify |
| 09:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | or like epoll(4) but not on my own socket |
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| 09:59.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | SIGIO would be great, but again I can't see how that would work for arbitrary "foreign" processes' sockets |
| 10:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ummmm, wireshart comes to mind |
| 10:00.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | shark even |
| 10:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | tcpdump, sth along that line |
| 10:01.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems tcpdump knows how to do what I want getting done: wait until sth happens on a network interface |
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| 10:03.55 | spad35 | hey guys |
| 10:04.07 | spad35 | i'm from kiwiirc |
| 10:04.15 | spad35 | i mean i'm logged into from it |
| 10:04.42 | spad35 | can anyone please tell me can find my machine's public IP by doing whois on me |
| 10:04.56 | spad35 | i just wnat to know if my ip iis visible to everyone or not |
| 10:04.59 | spad35 | thanks |
| 10:07.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | spad35: your IP is never visible on IRC |
| 10:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | spad35: your hostname however is |
| 10:08.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Whois] spad35 is 73ba408d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.115.186.64.141 ([www.kiwiirc.com] spad35) |
| 10:09.22 | spad35 | thank doc, i'll ask few more questions |
| 10:09.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | shoot |
| 10:09.31 | spad35 | sorry its kind of off-topic |
| 10:09.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
| 10:09.45 | spad35 | whats the difference when you say hostname vs ip |
| 10:10.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | IP is your true IP, hostname is whatever your IRC client and the IRC server you connect to make of it |
| 10:10.18 | spad35 | cuz you just told me my ip, its written there 115.186.64.141 |
| 10:10.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g you could have a cloak and then it would look like: |
| 10:10.34 | spad35 | oh ok, got it |
| 10:10.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Whois] DocScrutinizer05 is ~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg (joerg) |
| 10:11.41 | spad35 | hmm |
| 10:11.46 | spad35 | ok i'm on irc.dal.net |
| 10:11.58 | spad35 | there my hostname seems to be pretty different |
| 10:12.04 | spad35 | lemme show you |
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| 10:12.37 | spad35 | spadespade [spade!~spad35@BBL.worldcall.net.pk] * [www.kiwiirc.com] spad35 |
| 10:12.56 | spad35 | can my machine's ip be found through this information ? |
| 10:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your irc client supports proper DNS and the DNS is actually true (via rDNS lookup) then the hostname would look like that: [Whois] infobot is ~infobot@rikers.org (TimRiker's infobot) |
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| 10:13.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously your gateway includes true IP into the made-up hostname: gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.115.186.64.141 |
| 10:15.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I guess your machine's IP is either 115.186.64.141 or 141.64.186.115 |
| 10:16.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's however just guessing, nobody except the IRC server you're connected to (sendak.freenode.net) *knows* your IP for sure |
| 10:17.01 | spad35 | hmm |
| 10:17.21 | spad35 | irc.dal.net exposes proper IPs |
| 10:17.35 | spad35 | but now that I'm logged in from this web client kiwiirc |
| 10:17.38 | spad35 | spadespade [spade!~spad35@BBL.worldcall.net.pk] * [www.kiwiirc.com] spad35 |
| 10:17.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're worried about your IP getting exposed, I suggest you /join #freenode, and ask for a unafilliated/<user> cloak |
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| 10:17.42 | spad35 | is all that is displayed |
| 10:18.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | for that you first need to register to your nickserv account |
| 10:18.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Notice] -NickServ- spad35 is not registered. |
| 10:18.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.01 | spad35 | but the protection I will get will be useable on freenode servers only, or will that hide my ip on other irc servers as well, like i only use dal.net other then freenode |
| 10:19.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's only on frenode |
| 10:19.24 | spad35 | hmm |
| 10:20.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | another security means would be to use tor/onion |
| 10:20.12 | spad35 | do you know of any non-paid way through which I could protect myself, some nuker is after me on dalnet, and its the first time I'm trying to understand all this stuff about IPs and cloaks/bnc and what not |
| 10:20.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | freenode explicitly supports and invites tor usage |
| 10:20.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki tor |
| 10:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki Tor (anonymity network) |
| 10:21.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh how helpful |
| 10:21.39 | spad35 | :) |
| 10:21.47 | spad35 | ok i'll look into this tor thing |
| 10:21.48 | spad35 | and |
| 10:21.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | have a look into tor |
| 10:22.06 | spad35 | i'm hoping that I can get some way to use it for me without paying anyone anything |
| 10:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | tor is for free |
| 10:22.25 | spad35 | thats what my umtimate goal is, hiding my ip without paying for it cuz i cant pay |
| 10:22.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | paying for tor would defeat its purpose big time |
| 10:22.49 | spad35 | ok cool, i may bug you again |
| 10:23.20 | spad35 | you still using n900 DocScrutinizer05? |
| 10:24.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | just ponders if his last statement is correct. Pay arbitrary amount of money to a dedicated bank account, with a GUID as subject text on the money transfer, then log in to TOR using that GUID |
| 10:24.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | spad35: sure |
| 10:24.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, TOR is free of charge |
| 10:25.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and made to exactly hide the IP of your machine |
| 10:25.22 | spad35 | someone let me borrow their galaxy s4 for a week |
| 10:25.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | so not even the agencies are supposed to be able to trace you and your location down |
| 10:25.47 | spad35 | i loved the bells and whistles, but ti didnt come close to convincing me to spend $600 on it when i alreayd have n900 |
| 10:25.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | downside of tor: slow like dogshit |
| 10:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | but for IRC it's just fast enough |
| 10:26.16 | spad35 | well it should work propr just for text chat no |
| 10:26.25 | spad35 | mmy connections lag me anyway, i'm used to it |
| 10:26.39 | spad35 | yea, thats good,, irc text chat, not much data anyway |
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| 10:33.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://blog.freenode.net/2010/01/connecting-to-freenode-using-tor-sasl/ |
| 10:34.56 | kerio | it's a damn shame freenode doesn't support SASL EXTERNAL :( |
| 10:35.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | spad35: ^^^ |
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| 10:36.06 | spad35 | thanks! |
| 10:36.07 | kerio | i'm still using a cert, but i also have to give them my password |
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| 10:50.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://freenode.net/sasl/ http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor |
| 10:53.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, a cloak sounds way simpler and completely sufficient to counteract any stalkers you suffer from. Just make sure you log in to freenode using proper server password, so you don't show up temporarily with your uncloaked servername (actually hostmask is the technically correct term iirc) before your clinet registers to nickserv and thus your cloak gets applied |
| 10:54.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/clinet/irc client/ |
| 10:54.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | now THAT is also rather nonsensical, infobot |
| 10:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1x2x3x4x5x6x7x8x9x |
| 10:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/x/0xxxxxxxx/g |
| 10:58.12 | spad35 | :o |
| 10:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 10:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | felt silly |
| 10:58.48 | spad35 | heh |
| 11:04.26 | Lava_Croft | Like Macer reported last night, there seems to be some kind of problem concerning conversations |
| 11:04.43 | Lava_Croft | since the latest update (i guess) it randomly closes due to some internal error |
| 11:04.52 | Lava_Croft | even when theres no conversation open |
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| 11:07.12 | fastlane`` | . |
| 11:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | is that a topic for #maemo-ssu? |
| 11:07.30 | spad3 | got nuked again |
| 11:07.35 | Apic | B-( |
| 11:07.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | nuked? |
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| 11:08.36 | spad3 | dos attack |
| 11:08.44 | spad3 | frmo dalnet |
| 11:08.50 | spad3 | that nuker guy is after me |
| 11:09.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | what does it look like? |
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| 11:09.24 | spad3 | brb |
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| 11:18.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: I gather your report was about CSSU? |
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| 11:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | if so then please read /topic and accordingly join maemo-ssu channel to discuss the issue there |
| 11:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | also |
| 11:23.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | LAST ORDER! BoD elections closing in ~12h. VOTE if you didn't yet! |
| 11:23.52 | Lava_Croft | i dont see the need to join #maemo-ssu in order to talk to the same folks as over here |
| 11:24.02 | Lava_Croft | i reported it, all fine by me |
| 11:32.36 | SAiF | I dont know anyone, so ho wwould vote? |
| 11:33.14 | SAiF | *I |
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| 11:48.22 | spade35 | back |
| 11:48.29 | spade35 | DocScrutinizer05, i was telling you about nuke |
| 11:49.07 | spade35 | they call it nuke, when they use hacked machines to send a lot of traffic to your ip |
| 11:49.15 | spade35 | forming a dos attack |
| 11:49.57 | spade35 | as soon as they throw it on my ip, my net jams, nothing works, no browsing and I have to unplug my usb modem (which is providing me the net) |
| 11:50.21 | spade35 | and attach it back and that issues me a new ip so I can start browsing |
| 11:50.42 | spade35 | when he knows my ip again (if I join dalnet irc sesrver and I'm on the channel which he knows I will be in) |
| 11:50.57 | spade35 | he nukes me again, which causes my net to stop working again |
| 11:51.21 | spade35 | so thats the story and i' mlooking at how to make tor work for me so i can hide my ip and he cannot nuke my net connection |
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| 11:51.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: thanks for reporting! but I almost can promise to you that it will go unnoticed |
| 11:52.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: if you feel better by having reported it ("..., all fine by me") then ok |
| 11:53.12 | Lava_Croft | im not into rules because of rules |
| 11:53.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: if your intention is to help make CSSU improve, then I suggest you consider more effective ways to do so |
| 11:54.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: and I'm NOT talking about any rules here, not at all |
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| 11:54.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm talking about common sense to not complain about the dinner at the car parking boy |
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| 11:55.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want your complaints about the dinner to have any effect, you want to make sure they finally arrive at the cook in the kitchen |
| 11:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | spade35: I suggest avoiding that irc network |
| 11:57.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | or ask for support from the guys that run this IRC network |
| 11:57.56 | spade35 | i made many nice friends there |
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| 11:58.10 | spade35 | so i just feel a need to go there again and again |
| 11:58.18 | spade35 | i'm about to contact the irccops there |
| 11:58.27 | spade35 | but i'm also exploring Tor as you suggested |
| 11:59.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.torproject.org/docs/N900.html.en |
| 12:03.26 | spade35 | checking |
| 12:03.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: some of our devels have 10 or 20 or more channels open in their IRC clients, and they for sure don't scan every single one of those channels for topics relevant to them on a 24/7 basis |
| 12:05.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | #maemo-ssu is existing for a certain purpose: everything posted there attracts immediate and full attention of the cssu devels |
| 12:05.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or something rather close to this, anyway) |
| 12:06.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the rationale behind suggesting to take CSSU bug reports to that channel, and also the rationale why any OT chat in that channel is despised |
| 12:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | while here in this channel you have a potpourri of topics loosely related to maemo at large |
| 12:07.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | or not at all |
| 12:09.45 | fw190 | Well Doc has a point here |
| 12:11.33 | spade35 | he always has a point |
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| 12:13.30 | Lava_Croft | he completely has a point, but that wont beat my laziness! |
| 12:14.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I tried to help out on your laziness as much as I been able to, by c&p your 3 lines of post to #maemo-ssu |
| 12:14.56 | Lava_Croft | I know that being spineless would pay |
| 12:15.01 | Lava_Croft | Thanks ! :) |
| 12:15.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | however I'm sure devels would like to pick up on any such report when they had an option to ask for further details |
| 12:15.16 | Lava_Croft | im always here |
| 12:15.20 | Lava_Croft | at least in name |
| 12:15.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | devels usually don't switch channels to ask original poster about details |
| 12:16.26 | spade35 | time to reboot |
| 12:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly not when they had to do so to cope with laziness of OP |
| 12:17.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's generally a strong sentiment about lazy bug reporters |
| 12:17.37 | Lava_Croft | beats not bug report at all |
| 12:17.41 | Lava_Croft | no* |
| 12:18.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | shrugs and mentions that this kind of bug report 100% sure won't trip the investigation-triggering threshold |
| 12:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-28 13:51:26] <DocScrutinizer05> Lava_Croft: thanks for reporting! but I almost can promise to you that it will go unnoticed |
| 12:20.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not telling this to bash anybody, I just know a bit about what has been touched by latest CSSU and that devels will shrug it away as "CND" |
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| 12:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | so unless somebody is offering active help on investigating the nature of the problem on a device where the problem actually exists, no devel will bother to have further look at it |
| 12:22.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | tag as "invalid", shrug, next issue please |
| 12:23.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no CSSU patch that's touching conversations, afaik |
| 12:24.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so devels will tend to reject any lazy fuzzy bug report that doesn't yield any handle to further investigate on the issue |
| 12:25.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | --> waste of everybody's time |
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| 12:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually a negative motivation to the CSSU devels since another time there's been a shoot&run report attributing a random flaw to CSSU while not offering any help to either fix it or investigate on the true culprit so that CSSU is clearly not tainted as responsible for it. While devels are convinced it can't be related to CSSU |
| 12:41.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's kinda like you're giving bread to the starving and then folks start to spread the rumour that it's poisoned |
| 12:41.33 | Lava_Croft | Since CSSU is just about the only software recieving updates, its perfectly normal for people to guess that new 'bugs' are related to the CSSU |
| 12:42.00 | Lava_Croft | and i never stated its a CSSU problem, i merely guessed it's probably cssu |
| 12:42.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | which makes it worse, since it *sounds* plausible |
| 12:42.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | while those who think it's plausible don't realize that each update also does a massive write of data to filesystem and whatnot else |
| 12:43.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and after all you probably will attribute just every randomly happening flaw to the last thing you consciously did on the device |
| 12:43.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | which happens to be the CSSU update |
| 12:43.52 | Lava_Croft | hey, its your job to assume |
| 12:43.53 | Lava_Croft | not mine |
| 12:44.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, to make it utterly clear my job is Electronic Engineer |
| 12:44.28 | Lava_Croft | you can of course covertly try to ridicule me |
| 12:44.38 | Lava_Croft | but that hardly does any good for your otherwise good arguments |
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| 12:45.05 | Lava_Croft | ill just leave you and your monologue to be |
| 12:45.11 | Lava_Croft | monologues are known to fix stuff |
| 12:45.13 | Lava_Croft | have fun! |
| 12:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm now fed up with you rejecting any responsibility for your "bug report" while otoh demanding that we deal with it despite it's lacking *any* useful info we couls start on |
| 12:45.54 | Lava_Croft | at first it wasnt a 'bug report' |
| 12:46.14 | Lava_Croft | but a followup to a problem someone else reported here last night, after i also reported it before that |
| 12:46.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever it was, it exposed an annoying attitude on your side |
| 12:46.33 | Lava_Croft | yeah, your attitude is something to write home about |
| 12:46.41 | Lava_Croft | really now |
| 12:47.16 | Lava_Croft | also, i dont think ive demanded anyone to deal with it? |
| 12:47.27 | Lava_Croft | you just mangle my words and turn it into something much bigger than it is |
| 12:47.42 | Lava_Croft | probably because you are already filled with rage and anger over others things related to this |
| 12:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you won't mind when I'm just ignoring any further rant and silly comment from your side |
| 12:47.51 | Lava_Croft | and i happen to the be one that gets your bucket of shit poured over his head |
| 12:47.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk |
| 12:48.13 | Lava_Croft | you just spent 15 minutes ranting, geez |
| 12:50.05 | Lava_Croft | its great how people like you start to rant, turn the rant into covert insults and then when they get served a reply they go into the 'im ignoring you' mode |
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| 12:52.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, pont me to any insult please |
| 12:52.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | point even |
| 12:53.00 | Lava_Croft | if you need me to point out your own attempts, i guess its just no use |
| 12:53.08 | Lava_Croft | good luck with it |
| 12:53.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just tried to explain to you why a) your 3 lines post won't trigger any bug fix action, and b) it's probably detrimental to CSSU devels' motivation |
| 12:53.49 | Lava_Croft | in 15 minutes of ranting |
| 12:54.06 | Lava_Croft | which basically ended in saying that im probably a dumb user that attributes any problem to the last action he did on his n900 |
| 12:54.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 12:54.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed wasted too much time on you |
| 12:54.14 | Lava_Croft | so its all fine by me |
| 12:54.19 | Lava_Croft | yeah, see |
| 12:54.38 | Lava_Croft | get served a reply you dont have another witty answer for ready, and its either 'i ignore you', 'i waste too much time on you' or whatever |
| 12:54.54 | Lava_Croft | Really, have fun with it |
| 12:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | while you have fun with your "you're insulting me! I won't give a hint where you did since obviously you're too dull to get it. Ah now you're turning to real insults" scheme |
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| 12:59.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | again it's NOT "my job" to entertain you or handle your rants and forward them |
| 13:00.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't you think a statement of "I'm too lazy to help make maemo better" is worth a 15 min educational effort? |
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| 13:01.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously futile though |
| 13:01.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | so: |
| 13:01.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk |
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| 13:17.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw the "you" in my >><DocScrutinizer05> and after all you probably will attribute just every randomly happening flaw to the last thing you consciously did on the device<< was not at any particular individual but a general observation how users experience and perceive things |
| 13:18.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry when you related it to your own person |
| 13:18.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could as well have used "they" if that would make any sense in English |
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| 13:19.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could've used "I" if that wasn't even more ambiguous and misleading |
| 13:21.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | while the statement itself been not implying any criticism, it's a normal way of how human perception works |
| 13:21.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | but meh, probably already futile |
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| 13:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | (statement) ...and for sure the statement as is did NOT imply any "dumb user" allegation neither lierally nor implied. So if that >>...saying that im probably a dumb user...<< is what you *want* to make out of my words, then probably you intentionally decided to feel insulted, no matter what it takes |
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| 13:41.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | my intention never been to insult you, but rather convince you to help make maemo and CSSU better. I had the options a) ignore b) reject with "'probably invalid', or `needs info'" c) elaborate in why we need your help rather than your 3 line blame&run "bug report". I opted for "c)" very consciously, it seems it didn't pan out. Next time I'll use this experience to make a better decision how to react |
| 13:44.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | note to self: regex:"I.*lazy.*"->ignorelist |
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| 14:17.44 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, rellaxxxxx |
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| 14:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: I'm totally relaxed :-) I utterly consciously decided to not get upset and try my very best to explain in loving verbosity why such a post and attitude of "I'm too lazy" is not exactly helpful. Alas I failed on the purpose of this monologue, but at least I stayed relaxed all the time which I count as a success story in itself, since I'm well aware of my usual temperament |
| 14:21.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 14:24.04 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 14:24.05 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: It is Friday. Have a beer. |
| 14:24.08 | vi__ | Lava_Croft: It is Friday. Have a beer. |
| 14:24.29 | vi__ | *psssssst* hands out friday IRC beers. |
| 14:25.02 | SAiF | stayed relaxed alltime??? I doubt it. ;) |
| 14:25.20 | GeneralAntilles | Usually, "I'm too lazy" is code for, "I have no motivation whatsoever to do anything positive about this, I just want to do some cathartic botching to vent my spleen and maybe somebody will give me a solution." |
| 14:25.52 | GeneralAntilles | Which generally makes simple statements of comiseration or just ignoring it the best approach. |
| 14:26.09 | GeneralAntilles | Turning that into productive energy is a difficult task. |
| 14:26.32 | SAiF | True. |
| 14:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: I noticed that :-D |
| 14:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | You can also approach it by just pointing them at the spot they can pursue assisting a fix and leave it at that. |
| 14:29.39 | GeneralAntilles | "I'm not familiar with this issue, but you can file a bug at x." |
| 14:29.42 | GeneralAntilles | and move on. |
| 14:29.51 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, blah blah blah. |
| 14:29.55 | GeneralAntilles | How's the weather? |
| 14:30.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's basically option b) as of above. Next time |
| 14:30.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | or a mix between a) and b) |
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| 14:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | weather fine here, and I'm busy for a job interview in 60min |
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| 14:35.18 | GeneralAntilles | Oh? |
| 14:36.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno details, sth about automotive - as usual I almost like to say |
| 14:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | WOW now THATS strange! I got a RECOVERY mail dated 16:33, and 5 min *later* I got a >>PROBLEM Service Alert: blade-b.maemo.org/RAID is CRITICAL<< mail, dated 16:28 |
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| 14:43.33 | GeneralAntilles | Need to get in with GENIVI |
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| 15:31.45 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.58 | freemangordon | Lava_Croft: on #maemo-ssu please |
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| 15:42.24 | freemangordon | Macer: ping |
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| 15:44.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-06-28.log.html#t2013-06-28T00:55:03 |
| 15:45.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: please try and move it to #maemo-ssu, if only for chanlog's sake |
| 15:46.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | once macer answers |
| 15:46.19 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: will do |
| 15:46.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 15:46.30 | freemangordon | yep |
| 15:46.41 | freemangordon | unfortunately i'll run in an hour or so |
| 15:47.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I should've run an hour ago :-S |
| 15:47.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | since this here doesn't buy me bagels |
| 15:48.05 | freemangordon | run then :) |
| 15:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 15:48.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | automotive... hmmm |
| 15:48.46 | freemangordon | sounds intreresting |
| 15:48.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, usually it's a PITA |
| 15:49.01 | freemangordon | *interesting |
| 15:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | been there, done that, that's why they asked me to do it again |
| 15:49.18 | freemangordon | embeded controllers? |
| 15:49.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually |
| 15:49.51 | freemangordon | well, sound way better than UI, I am sure vi'll agree :D |
| 15:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 15:50.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | but usually you're doomed to use all that crap from redmond |
| 15:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | while just yesterday I got rif of my lumia |
| 15:51.00 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: wait, why redmond on embeded? |
| 15:51.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | rid even |
| 15:51.14 | freemangordon | winCE? |
| 15:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | not on embedded, but all the tools |
| 15:51.25 | freemangordon | oh |
| 15:51.43 | freemangordon | weird, BMW diagnostic tools are on SCO |
| 15:52.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a nice exception to the general rule |
| 15:52.10 | freemangordon | or at least they were 2-3 years ago |
| 15:52.28 | freemangordon | with diagnostic head running on winCE |
| 15:53.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway *wave* |
| 15:53.19 | freemangordon | bye |
| 15:59.47 | orsoniasty | [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~ |
| 16:00.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ♪♫%music%music%music%music%music%music%music |
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| 16:15.30 | Macer | hi |
| 16:16.26 | freemangordon | Macer: did you fix your "conversations app" problem? |
| 16:16.43 | Macer | don't know |
| 16:16.52 | Macer | i swapped to the e7 for the time being |
| 16:16.54 | Macer | but no |
| 16:17.08 | Macer | not before i swapped. rebooting etc didn't fix it and i don't know exactly what to look for that would cause it |
| 16:17.45 | freemangordon | Macer: do I get it correctly that you're not interested in helping finding what the problem is and whether it is CSSU related? |
| 16:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | ZogG_laptop, with tweets like that. :P |
| 16:18.10 | Macer | freemangordon: well... all day yesterday i was txting. then updated.. then it is broken :) |
| 16:18.23 | Macer | i mean i'm not a CS major but i am sure that is a pretty clear relationship to something being changed |
| 16:18.49 | freemangordon | Macer: I am not arguing if it is related to CSSU or not ;) |
| 16:19.00 | Macer | well.. let me put my sim back in |
| 16:19.03 | Macer | one sec... |
| 16:19.23 | freemangordon | Macer: why do you need the sim in? |
| 16:19.39 | freemangordon | don;t you have wireless? |
| 16:20.02 | Macer | to txt :-P |
| 16:20.24 | freemangordon | Macer: is that SMS? |
| 16:20.27 | Macer | yes |
| 16:20.31 | Macer | sms doesn't work |
| 16:20.35 | Macer | i didn't test im |
| 16:20.38 | freemangordon | what about the other IM |
| 16:20.40 | freemangordon | I see |
| 16:20.43 | Macer | i will try it |
| 16:20.50 | Macer | waiting on the n900 to boot |
| 16:21.04 | freemangordon | Macer: do you mind to switch to #maemo-ssu? |
| 16:21.14 | Macer | hm. sure... |
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| 16:44.05 | ecc3g | is there an n900 webdav client that supports https? |
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| 17:40.00 | Mr_Stupid | merlin1991: Hey merlin1991, can you please check my build: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-June/118294.html |
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| 17:41.22 | merlin1991 | Mr_Stupid: looks good actually |
| 17:41.30 | Mr_Stupid | merlin1991: What do i have to do that it is available in the repo? |
| 17:41.38 | merlin1991 | ping me like you just did |
| 17:41.41 | merlin1991 | then wait a bit :) |
| 17:42.01 | Mr_Stupid | Ahhhh waiting, i can do that :) I like to wait |
| 17:46.16 | merlin1991 | Mr_Stupid: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/d/dropbox-python-sdk/ |
| 17:46.29 | Mr_Stupid | I just started waiting :( |
| 17:47.08 | Mr_Stupid | Thx, i'll wait some more. Then i check it out |
| 17:47.14 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 17:47.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, jolla sent a tracking number for whatever they are shipping to me |
| 17:47.27 | merlin1991 | no way |
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| 17:47.38 | merlin1991 | I should send them an email these days |
| 17:48.06 | Mr_Stupid | Only spam in my inbox :( |
| 17:49.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>his time we didn’t send a message in the bottle, instead we are using a shipping company. You can track your shipment (Order: be298374892437) here: <url><< |
| 17:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | really curious what they send |
| 17:51.03 | Mr_Stupid | tshirt? |
| 17:51.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | a t-shirt? |
| 17:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | a paper with some pre-order number? |
| 17:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | a TOH |
| 17:51.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ?? |
| 17:51.59 | Mr_Stupid | The other half, sure :) |
| 17:52.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | a bomb? |
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| 17:55.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | message in a bottle... might explain why I got no info what they are sending ;-P No waters here |
| 17:56.17 | kerio | just a castaway |
| 17:56.21 | kerio | an island lost at se-a |
| 17:56.28 | kerio | another lonely day |
| 17:56.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | even if there were, that bottle had to swim uphill to climb ~300m from their location to mine |
| 17:56.35 | kerio | with no one here but me |
| 17:56.46 | kerio | mooore loneliness |
| 17:57.02 | kerio | than any man could bear |
| 17:57.11 | kerio | rescue me before i fall into despair |
| 17:57.39 | kerio | and now i'll stop before GEMA raids DocScrutinizer05's house for unlawfully reading the lyrics to a copyrighted song |
| 17:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
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| 17:58.06 | Mr_Stupid | i read it too, but GEMA is powerless! |
| 17:59.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | fun happening: in TV they showed exactly same TOR pages I posted links to here, some 4h before |
| 17:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | suspects they already are eavesdropping on him |
| 18:01.22 | kerio | post a link to goatse |
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| 22:09.06 | _jester_ | hello world |
| 22:09.53 | _jester_ | will the real DocScrutinizer please stand up |
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