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| 07:35.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hope they come back soon |
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| 07:37.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | povbot: still here? |
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| 07:38.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAH |
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| 07:51.37 | japa-fi | Hi all. I ad my N900 to get totally corrupted (don't know why, filesystem corrupted in middle of the day), I reflashed it and now I have clean N900 which I try to customize back to it's glory. I have not installed many items yet, backupmenu being one of them :). Now I try to install community SSU, going by the steps from maemo wiki. |
| 07:51.55 | japa-fi | Just that the install is terminated by dependancy problem.. |
| 07:52.44 | japa-fi | mp-fremantle-generic-pr: depends maemosec-certman-common-ca (=0.2.0+0m5) but 0.2.2 is to be installed |
| 07:53.31 | japa-fi | depends libmaemosec0, libmaemosec-certman0, maemosec-certman-tools |
| 07:53.40 | japa-fi | all have the same version conflict |
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| 08:07.27 | japa-fi | bah, incorrect maemo version. Updating that first. |
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| 08:21.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you got PR1.3 or PR1.3.1, and disable all catalogs in HAM that faintly look like non-standard |
| 08:22.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually after flashing PR1.3 you won't have any bogus or weird catalogs in HAM |
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| 08:45.41 | Lava_Croft | Is there a known bug that makes conversations turn up empty every now and then? |
| 08:45.48 | Lava_Croft | it seems that restarting hildon-desktop fixes it |
| 08:51.06 | Lava_Croft | seems so! :) |
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| 10:00.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: ever heard of invisible SMS? |
| 10:04.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/04/silent_sms/ |
| 10:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
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| 10:07.27 | Lava_Croft | haha |
| 10:07.52 | Lava_Croft | like i said yesterday, the USA can only dream of the shit the Dutch do |
| 10:07.55 | Lava_Croft | sadly |
| 10:08.11 | Lava_Croft | good thing the tourists still think this is a bastion of freedom, sex and drugs |
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| 10:16.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | this one is a good read on it: http://www.ivizsecurity.com/blog/security-awareness/silent-sms-how-i-know-where-you-were-yesterday-night/ |
| 10:16.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | with good links |
| 10:28.21 | Lava_Croft | sounds like a great way to empty batteries of terrorists' cellphones |
| 10:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, the DoS for sure |
| 10:42.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | related, though not to SMS: |
| 10:43.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~gsm-agps |
| 10:43.02 | infobot | rrlp is, like, the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP |
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| 14:47.31 | SAiF | possibility of jolla model with hardware keyboard? |
| 14:47.42 | SAiF | in near future |
| 14:48.33 | GeneralAntilles | Nobody can talk about that if they know. |
| 14:48.46 | GeneralAntilles | If it's coming, you'll hear an announcement. |
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| 14:58.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | insiders have good hope |
| 14:58.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | though not even they know for sure |
| 14:58.49 | Superpelican | well there have been ideas for a HW keyboard other half |
| 14:59.02 | Superpelican | Jolla said they might produce one if there's enough demand |
| 14:59.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, those ideas are as extraordinary as eating is when you're hungry |
| 14:59.46 | jaska | eats keycaps |
| 15:00.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it's absolutely unvlear if they ever will actually sell such a thing. and when if ever |
| 15:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen infobot |
| 15:01.32 | infobot | infobot is currently on #asterisk-doc (2d 21h 7m 47s) #botpark (2d 21h 7m 47s) #gsoc (2d 21h 7m 47s) ##t42 (2d 21h 7m 47s) #maemo (2d 21h 7m 47s) #fredlug (2d 21h 7m 47s) #flyspray (2d 21h 7m 47s) #webos-internals (2d 21h 7m 47s) #opensimpad.org (2d 21h 7m 47s) #gooseproject (2d 21h 7m 47s) #asterisk (2d 21h 7m 47s) #wowprogramming (2d 21h 7m 47s) ... |
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| 16:23.42 | GI_Jack | has anyone looked into this, I have this problem too http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!searchin/gmail/n900|sort:date/gmail/3FLTUQ9x1Uk/FxHVWuGGkDYJ |
| 16:30.03 | andre__ | GI_Jack, would you like to describe the problem here in words? |
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| 16:31.18 | GI_Jack | the stock email client chokes when trying to recieve IMAP messages from gmail |
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| 16:43.42 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer51: while we were talking about NL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcnM2QHOauU |
| 16:43.46 | Lava_Croft | :) |
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| 16:44.33 | DaRoDi | hi all |
| 16:44.54 | DaRoDi | my gf has this same exact problem on her n900 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49402 |
| 16:45.21 | DaRoDi | i checked, there is still free space on root and everything |
| 16:46.00 | DaRoDi | i tried to delete some conversations, but the conversation screen says: no conversation |
| 16:48.16 | DaRoDi | history of calls has also disapeard |
| 16:48.49 | kerio | are you on pr 1.3? |
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| 16:49.11 | DaRoDi | let me check |
| 16:50.54 | DaRoDi | version 21.2011.38-1 kernel 2.6.28-omap1 |
| 16:51.11 | DaRoDi | no cssu |
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| 17:03.15 | DaRoDi | is there a way to reinit /home/user/.osso-abook/db/ without reflashing maybe? |
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| 17:08.30 | merlin1991 | mv it and hope for the best? |
| 17:09.32 | DaRoDi | i'm reading here that some ppl flashed and still got the problem afterward... http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Device-Storage-Full-Message-Unable-to-Send-or-Receive-Messages/td-p/578731/page/11 |
| 17:09.37 | freemangordon | merlin1991: I guess kill/reboot would be needed |
| 17:09.51 | freemangordon | merlin1991: hi |
| 17:10.00 | freemangordon | merlin1991: team meeting these days? |
| 17:10.04 | DaRoDi | i hope it's not a hardware failure |
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| 17:37.36 | DaRoDi | mv /home/user/.osso-abook/db/ didn't change a thing |
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| 17:40.26 | DaRoDi | i'll reflash |
| 17:41.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder what .osso-abook got to do with receiving SMS |
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| 17:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather suspect .eventsv1.db or whatever the name |
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| 17:47.10 | DaRoDi | you mean /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/e1-v1.db ? |
| 17:50.04 | Mr_Stupid | DocScrutinizer05: Do you remember me? I still can't upload to extras-devel :( I applied for invitation ~ 1 month ago |
| 17:50.31 | Mr_Stupid | You told me to pester you or merlin1991 if nothing happens :) |
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| 17:56.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no. 4 weeks ago is like last millenium in my world. I have no more references and need to start all anoew |
| 17:57.05 | Mr_Stupid | I want to upload something to extras-devel but i can't because i need an invitation. |
| 17:57.28 | Mr_Stupid | Nothing happened after i applied for invitation |
| 17:58.28 | freemangordon | Mr_Stupid: I remember someone having the issue, not sure if that were you |
| 17:58.39 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ^^^ |
| 17:59.02 | Mr_Stupid | i also wrote an email to garage@maemo.org (thedead1440 suggested that) |
| 17:59.17 | Mr_Stupid | but that didn't work either |
| 17:59.18 | freemangordon | wonders where those mails go |
| 17:59.37 | Mr_Stupid | nowhere? |
| 17:59.47 | freemangordon | I doubt |
| 18:01.36 | DaRoDi | DocScrutinizer05: mv /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/ worked, thanks a lot |
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| 18:03.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | all to me :-( |
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| 18:03.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I do sth about them, then forget them. after 4 weeks I really can't recall any deatails anymore |
| 18:04.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I wish people wouldn't send mail to garage@m.o |
| 18:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I get a few dozen of this crap per day |
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| 18:05.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | "I can't vote, Mr garage!" |
| 18:06.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | "I can't upload Mr Garage!" |
| 18:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | "I can't promote, Mr Garage!" |
| 18:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually >50% of mandatory data/details missing |
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| 18:11.11 | Mr_Stupid | Ah, so you maybe got my request and maybe something is missing? |
| 18:11.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe, how should I know? |
| 18:13.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you see a chance to send a proper follow-up to your own mail that would create a mail thread in a normal mail client, feel free to do so, and your original mail plus the follow-up will pop up on my radar again |
| 18:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise I have no means to find your original mail |
| 18:13.48 | merlin1991 | Mr_Stupid: I'll check what I have |
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| 18:14.35 | Mr_Stupid | My garage account is marshall_banana, email address is marshall.banana@yahoo.de |
| 18:15.03 | merlin1991 | hah found the mail |
| 18:15.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | now you're talking |
| 18:15.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | leaves the topic to merlin1991 |
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| 18:18.49 | merlin1991 | hm intresting |
| 18:19.08 | Mr_Stupid | Ahhh, now something changed. I can go to step 2 |
| 18:19.18 | Mr_Stupid | thx four your help |
| 18:19.34 | merlin1991 | just keep in mind the package won't actually land in devel after building |
| 18:19.44 | merlin1991 | only if you hit me with a stick |
| 18:19.50 | merlin1991 | (when it built successfully) |
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| 18:54.47 | leandroal | folks. I'm trying to checkout a project via svn from maemo/garage, but i'm getting the following error: svn: E020014: Can't find a temporary directory: Internal error |
| 18:55.24 | leandroal | any suggestion? AFAIK, the problem is with the svn server, maybe a disk full |
| 18:58.03 | merlin1991 | maybe throw in the repo you're trying to checkout |
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| 19:11.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | vcs:/var/svn 50G 47G 0 100% /mnt/vcs_svnroot |
| 19:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be right |
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| 19:22.45 | leandroal | DocScrutinizer05, yes!!! |
| 19:23.41 | leandroal | DocScrutinizer05, can you please fix? |
| 19:24.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I will mount an additional surface to the HDD spindle |
| 19:24.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
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| 19:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | SSL debug enabled, vcs_https_error.log several 100s of MB per day :-S |
| 19:31.53 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: :S |
| 19:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 19:32.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | please tell me where to disable debug/info printouts |
| 19:37.56 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: NFC, some apache parameter? |
| 19:38.12 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: BTW, "You should pick up to 5 candidates in sequence of your preference by clicking on them" |
| 19:38.22 | freemangordon | why 5? |
| 19:38.34 | freemangordon | voting for hifo board that is |
| 19:38.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 19:39.22 | freemangordon | well, i voted for six of six, but still :) |
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| 19:40.19 | freemangordon | feels sorry for doc being pestered for everything :( |
| 19:40.27 | freemangordon | but not that much :P |
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| 20:05.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 83274466 Jun 24 23:59 vcs_https_error.log |
| 20:05.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | root@vcs:/var/log/apache2/2013/06/24# sed -i '/\[debug\]/d;/\[info\]/d' vcs_https_error.log |
| 20:05.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 80823 Jun 27 20:04 vcs_https_error.log |
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| 20:12.07 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what about SVN_DBG_QUIET ? |
| 20:12.34 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: lemme check one again |
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| 20:31.03 | _jester_ | hello world |
| 20:31.08 | _jester_ | i hope maemo isnt dead |
| 20:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | leandroal: try again please |
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| 20:31.30 | _jester_ | or is trying to die on me, just cause i bought a maemo device |
| 20:32.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | up to you |
| 20:32.30 | _jester_ | or the hardware people |
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| 20:34.55 | _jester_ | just a small question, if anyone is alive on the channel. how stable is the testing ssu |
| 20:35.34 | _jester_ | i just installed the community ssu from the maemo.org and was wondering how the testing one compares |
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| 20:45.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's cssu-Stable and cssu-Testing |
| 20:45.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | recently T has a few ... issues |
| 20:46.28 | _jester_ | i just installed cssu - stable |
| 20:46.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine |
| 20:46.48 | _jester_ | generally the cutting edge code isnt that unstable |
| 20:47.07 | _jester_ | and i was only wondering because i do intend to develop on it as well |
| 20:47.15 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, besides semi-broken thumbnails in tasknav, what else. My question is serious, is there anything I am not aware of? |
| 20:47.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't make a difference |
| 20:47.44 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you know I was away for a while |
| 20:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: the friggin fstab episode |
| 20:47.53 | freemangordon | oh, but that's fixed now |
| 20:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAH |
| 20:48.03 | freemangordon | otherwise yes, there were issues |
| 20:48.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's talk about 2fixed now" in two weeks, ok? |
| 20:48.32 | freemangordon | ok |
| 20:48.52 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: the usual quarantine period :) |
| 20:49.07 | _jester_ | seems like i need to buy a new device to dive into this one |
| 20:50.09 | freemangordon | _jester_: usually CSSU-T is pretty much stable, sometimes it happens that we screw it a bit :) |
| 20:50.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | A BIT? ;-P |
| 20:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | wistles |
| 20:50.40 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: come on :P |
| 20:51.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, usually it's been rather stable, but that changed since I stopped bitching |
| 20:51.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 20:52.07 | _jester_ | well, it happens in all projects |
| 20:52.54 | _jester_ | and i suppose the whole linux/community thing comes into play, id jump in after 2 weeks i suppose, create good backups and try and contribute |
| 20:55.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders what else except git checkout been fux0red by vcs disk eaten by snakes err apache, and why the heck friggin icinga didn't yell like mad |
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| 21:01.09 | jimrj | anyone here who could tips be about N770 working repos? ;) |
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| 21:06.32 | freemangordon | _jester_: well, usually we do our best to not screw the "users". unfortunately this time it took about 6 months between updates, with all the fuss about migration, repo issues, uncertainity with maemo, etc |
| 21:06.47 | freemangordon | but yeah, we screw it up this time |
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| 21:07.36 | Mr_Stupid | i didn't notice any screw up, what happened? |
| 21:08.49 | freemangordon | Mr_Stupid: bootloop if you have SD card and stock kernel |
| 21:09.26 | Mr_Stupid | who has still stock kernel? |
| 21:09.37 | _jester_ | freemangordon: im guessing the normal users would have left their n900s a year back and all that would be left are linux geeks who are wishing for a newer maemo device |
| 21:09.53 | freemangordon | Mr_Stupid: lots of people I guess |
| 21:10.06 | freemangordon | _jester_: wrong |
| 21:10.32 | freemangordon | I know at least 3 people which are not linux geeks and love their n900 |
| 21:10.36 | freemangordon | oops, 4 |
| 21:10.39 | _jester_ | thats encouraging |
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| 21:11.05 | freemangordon | _jester_: for how long you have your device? |
| 21:11.18 | _jester_ | 3 days |
| 21:11.22 | _jester_ | :) |
| 21:11.24 | Mr_Stupid | I met two other people so far that had a N900 :) |
| 21:11.38 | freemangordon | Mr_Stupid: had? |
| 21:11.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | jimrj: what's the problem with n770 repos? don't we support them? |
| 21:11.56 | freemangordon | _jester_: lets continue in 2 weeks ;) |
| 21:12.12 | Mr_Stupid | Yes, on had usb socket problem. This guy has now android |
| 21:12.13 | freemangordon | _jester_: once you're spoiled, you'll see why :p |
| 21:12.18 | Mr_Stupid | one* |
| 21:12.55 | Mr_Stupid | Other guy has android phone too, but i don't know why |
| 21:13.13 | Macer | hm |
| 21:13.19 | Macer | is there a better nav app than ovi? |
| 21:13.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | scratches head and wonders if maemo.org doesn't ship N770 repos anymore |
| 21:13.24 | Macer | ovi maps is godawful |
| 21:13.26 | _jester_ | freemangordon: but i bought it specifically cause its linux and its portable, im not a huge fan of smart phones. so far, ive got the cssu-stable, the power kernel, the updated fc-cam drivers, aircrack and openvpn |
| 21:13.35 | Macer | i vaguely remember there being a better one.. too bad there isn't nokia drive for maemo :-/ |
| 21:13.57 | freemangordon | Macer: I am using MobileMaps 10 |
| 21:14.15 | Macer | freemangordon: is it free? |
| 21:14.25 | freemangordon | Macer: there was/is a torrent with hacked version that supports latest android maps |
| 21:14.30 | freemangordon | Macer: no |
| 21:14.49 | Macer | on an n900? |
| 21:14.55 | freemangordon | it was about 100 EUR ;), but you can;t buy it anymore |
| 21:15.06 | freemangordon | Macer: yep, on n900 |
| 21:15.33 | Macer | hm. i'll see if i can find it |
| 21:15.42 | freemangordon | Macer: google for mm10 maemo, iirc PB had the torrent |
| 21:15.44 | Macer | but wasn't there an open one? |
| 21:15.51 | freemangordon | MacePi_: there is |
| 21:15.55 | freemangordon | modrana? |
| 21:16.03 | Macer | that may be the one |
| 21:16.05 | freemangordon | oops, Macer that is |
| 21:16.05 | Macer | i forget its name |
| 21:16.23 | Mr_Stupid | marble |
| 21:16.31 | freemangordon | could be |
| 21:16.41 | Mr_Stupid | but i use modrana |
| 21:17.01 | freemangordon | mm10 is just fine with updated maps |
| 21:17.17 | freemangordon | never used modrana so can;t comment |
| 21:17.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's marble, modrana, and I think a third open one |
| 21:18.04 | Mr_Stupid | navit |
| 21:18.19 | freemangordon | afaik modrana is the only one which is still updated |
| 21:18.28 | freemangordon | could be wrong as well |
| 21:18.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, marble devs are eager to push a new version |
| 21:19.00 | freemangordon | ooh, but repos are fscked up :P |
| 21:19.02 | freemangordon | I see |
| 21:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I seem to fail on enabling upload permissions for the guy |
| 21:19.20 | Macer | heh |
| 21:21.04 | freemangordon | well, it is modrana after all ;) http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1355230&postcount=1407 |
| 21:21.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Bernhard Beschow ? |
| 21:22.28 | freemangordon | is that MartinK's name? |
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| 21:25.27 | _jester_ | freemangordon: would programs compiled for maemo4 give me issues if i install them on the cssu-stable ? |
| 21:25.55 | freemangordon | _jester_: if they are compiled with -mthumb, then yes |
| 21:26.41 | _jester_ | i guess theres only one way to find out if they are ... im going in |
| 21:26.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, an hour ago somebody been really busy with repo |
| 21:27.28 | freemangordon | _jester_: I remember Pali trying to run some plugin from Maemo4, getting sigills as it was thumb-compiled |
| 21:27.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess maemo4 apps will usually not work great on maemo5 |
| 21:28.15 | freemangordon | _jester_: if you are brave, install CSSU-thumb |
| 21:28.18 | merlin1991 | busy with repo? |
| 21:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | check ganglia ;-D |
| 21:28.46 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: why is that (maemo4 apps) |
| 21:29.17 | freemangordon | aren't those GTK ones? |
| 21:29.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe because of hildon desktop and windows working slightly different? |
| 21:29.24 | _jester_ | freemangordon: well there are loads more packages in the maemo.org/packages under the freemantle category than in the repo i have on my device, its just tempting |
| 21:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe because the layout and decoration is pretty different on maemo4 |
| 21:29.58 | freemangordon | _jester_: hmm? rephrase please |
| 21:30.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe just because maemo4 devices have a menu button |
| 21:30.58 | _jester_ | freemangordon: it has abiword, the word processor. thats not showing up in my application installer(s) |
| 21:31.10 | _jester_ | i have three of those |
| 21:31.40 | freemangordon | _jester_: thats weird, ther is abiword for fremantle(unstable but still). or I am misreading. |
| 21:31.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | _jester_: what IS your device? |
| 21:31.59 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 21:32.07 | freemangordon | oh, wait |
| 21:32.11 | freemangordon | CSSU-stable ;) |
| 21:32.18 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ |
| 21:32.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 21:32.30 | _jester_ | DocScrutinizer05: its a nokia n900 |
| 21:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you ARE on maemo5 |
| 21:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka fremantle |
| 21:32.46 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: he said he has installed CSSU-S |
| 21:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | so whatß |
| 21:33.13 | freemangordon | <DocScrutinizer05> _jester_: what IS your device? |
| 21:33.27 | _jester_ | with cssu-stable and kernel-power |
| 21:33.30 | freemangordon | he can't install it on anything else |
| 21:34.03 | _jester_ | so i need to be on the cssu-testing for the repos to open their bounty for me ? |
| 21:34.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you're wrong, there's a cssu for diablo as well |
| 21:34.19 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: is it called CSSU-Stable? |
| 21:34.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno |
| 21:34.26 | freemangordon | _jester_: no |
| 21:34.41 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: afaik it is called just "CSSU" |
| 21:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly don't care |
| 21:35.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I won't assume when I'm confronted with >>well there are loads more packages in the maemo.org/packages under the freemantle category than in the repo i have on my device, its just tempting<< |
| 21:35.35 | Macer | heh |
| 21:35.45 | Macer | so it's called modrana? |
| 21:35.53 | _jester_ | freemangordon: so essentially, i either have to put in the development repos in the source.list |
| 21:36.04 | _jester_ | :) |
| 21:36.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I should've asked "what repo DO you have on your device then?" |
| 21:36.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | _jester_: you don't have to do any of that |
| 21:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should have an extras-repo enabled in your HAM catalog list |
| 21:37.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and if you feel venturous, you should enale extras-devel for a short while, install one or two apps you're interested in, and immediately disable extras-devel again |
| 21:38.00 | _jester_ | DocScrutinizer05: I couldnt actually fidn the HAM application and it did not install automatically with the cssu update |
| 21:38.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 21:38.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~HAM |
| 21:38.18 | infobot | somebody said ham was Hildon Application Manager. Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does |
| 21:39.33 | _jester_ | DocScrutinizer05: the application manager that is there by default ? |
| 21:39.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:39.58 | freemangordon | _jester_: yes |
| 21:40.04 | freemangordon | _jester_: you only need maemo-extras repo for stable applications |
| 21:40.14 | freemangordon | and that should be enabled by default |
| 21:40.31 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: doc, wait, it is fremantle-1.3 :( |
| 21:40.34 | _jester_ | alright, id give it a go, and enable the the more adventurous repos on it too, thanks guys |
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| 21:40.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | _jester_: you shouldn't approach maemo like an experienced linux user. You'd easily assume stuff that's not applicable for maemo |
| 21:40.51 | freemangordon | _jester_: give it some time |
| 21:41.01 | freemangordon | don't enable extras-tesing and extras-devel |
| 21:41.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: :nod: |
| 21:41.20 | freemangordon | however, |
| 21:41.29 | freemangordon | is out, night guys |
| 21:41.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
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| 21:42.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | _jester_: e.g youz usually should be vary to use apt-get install |
| 21:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and *never* use apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade |
| 21:42.51 | _jester_ | DocScrutinizer05: so community ssu is enabled, testing, devel and thumb are not |
| 21:42.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | likewise you shouldn't edit apt's catalog lists manually |
| 21:43.29 | _jester_ | DocScrutinizer05: id keep that tip in my head, but thats what ive been doing for the past 3 days |
| 21:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty fine. It been another fuckup in CSSU to even include those repos to the list, though disabled |
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| 21:44.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | you did what since 3 days? |
| 21:44.46 | jimrj | DocScrutinizer05: download extras repo, but n770 doesnt seem to get updates... just need to install dependencies for openntpd and so on... get HTTP Error 302 - Moved temporarily |
| 21:45.03 | _jester_ | DocScrutinizer05: but i could probably install the development environment (gcc, make, autoconf) on the device and compile some things directly from source, right ? |
| 21:45.34 | _jester_ | DocScrutinizer05: 3 days = apt-get, and vi and dpkg |
| 21:45.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty good chances to mess up your system fubar |
| 21:46.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | (install gcc...) won't work |
| 21:46.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't have enough storage in rootfs |
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| 21:48.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | those few maddogs who do compile on N900 usually use a chroot for that |
| 21:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | easydeb is popular I heard |
| 21:48.39 | _jester_ | DocScrutinizer05: how about a seperate development environment on an sd card i could chroot to ? |
| 21:48.51 | _jester_ | ah |
| 21:48.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D ^^^ |
| 21:48.56 | _jester_ | :P |
| 21:49.05 | _jester_ | i suppose id be one f those mad dogs then |
| 21:49.47 | _jester_ | and im glad my system is running quite smoothly, no hiccups or random jerks even |
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| 21:50.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | YAY, we almost have 10 users who publicly announced they just voted :-) |
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| 21:51.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | _jester_: I'd almost say that's normal |
| 21:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be rather pissed when I would experience hiccups or jerks on my device |
| 21:53.29 | _jester_ | DocScrutinizer05: well only considering how you said playing around like it was a normal linux system would mess it up, im just glad i didnt |
| 21:53.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might notice later on |
| 21:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | when catalogs you edited in magically vanish when you start HAM next time |
| 21:54.33 | Macer | uhm |
| 21:54.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or when apt or HAM complain about unmet dependencies or conflicts |
| 21:55.00 | _jester_ | DocScrutinizer05: out of curiosity, the device (nokia n900) does have an IR reciever so it could be controlled by an external remote, right ? |
| 21:55.04 | Macer | wonders why his txting isn't working after his update |
| 21:55.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 21:55.15 | Macer | uhm |
| 21:55.38 | _jester_ | thats sad, would have been fun with the fm transmitter in the car n all |
| 21:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
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| 21:56.54 | Macer | reboots |
| 21:56.55 | Macer | that was odd |
| 21:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you want to IR-control the mediaplayer? |
| 21:57.05 | _jester_ | DocScrutinizer05: yup |
| 21:57.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 21:57.57 | _jester_ | or other things too |
| 21:59.51 | Macer | wth i updated and now my txts keep pending |
| 21:59.52 | Macer | :-/ |
| 22:01.47 | Macer | ok. seriously. txting is broken now :-/ |
| 22:02.49 | Macer | like it isn't showing any of the conversations |
| 22:03.05 | Macer | argh. is there a way to go back? can i just remove teh cssu update and roll back? |
| 22:03.22 | Macer | something broke telepathy |
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| 22:05.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: hardly cssu |
| 22:06.12 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: uhm. then what can it be? i updated. and now it doesn't work. |
| 22:06.21 | Macer | seems to be a pretty clear cut relationship heh |
| 22:08.05 | Macer | wth |
| 22:08.26 | Macer | telepathy/conversations is totally screwed |
| 22:10.05 | Macer | of all the silly ass things to break |
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| 22:10.25 | Macer | is there some sort of config i can remove and allow to reinitialize in order to get it owrking again? |
| 22:12.54 | Macer | blah. let me go back to my damn e7 |
| 22:13.00 | Macer | can't really use the device without the txting |
| 22:13.46 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: i was txting all day on it... updated... now telepathy/convsations is totally broken |
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| 22:18.02 | Macer | e7 works fine for txting ... so it isn't a sim problem. |
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