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| 00:10.35 | Win7Mac | :tschingeling: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1353071#post1353071 |
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| 00:21.34 | Win7Mac | Do we need a new banner when elections are actually running? Like flashing crazy or something? |
| 00:40.19 | Win7Mac | GeneralAntilles + others, are my answers to candidature somewhat satisfactory to you? |
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| 01:23.30 | Win7Mac | amazing graph animation of community development upon Canon camera hacks, check the video: http://nofilmschool.com/2013/06/magic-lantern-progress-canon-dslr/ |
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| 06:37.31 | XATRIX | Hi guys, i could make boot-flash disk from my microSD within my nokia |
| 06:37.35 | XATRIX | But i have a question |
| 06:38.14 | XATRIX | I made a partition sda1 over 410MB and place there rescuecd, but i'd like to use this flash as a storage for nokia as well |
| 06:38.36 | XATRIX | What file system do i have to place on a second partition ? |
| 06:38.37 | XATRIX | vfat ? |
| 06:39.09 | XATRIX | Currently, N900 tells me i have corrupt flash disk installed in. But if i switch to USB Stroage Mode, i can boot from! |
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| 07:32.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: you can use basically whatever you like on 2nd partition, though i'd probably suggest ext3. Anyway the stock fremantle can't mount more than one partition automatically, and it will frown on anything that's not VFAT |
| 07:33.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | in CSSU we have a improved ke-recv and relatives, that do automounting for basically everything, even for multiple partitions |
| 07:35.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I gather your first partition is a CD ISO-image though, and I dunno if that's supported at all, you might have to blacklist this partition from mounter-script (now I finally found out why I insisted on including that blacklist function there \o/) |
| 07:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | with the needed fs driver modules you might try a mount -t iso9660 or sth |
| 07:39.50 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: Where's the auto-mounter script is ? |
| 07:40.11 | XATRIX | Yes, seems like i have iso9660 for sda1,and vfat fro sda2 |
| 07:40.19 | XATRIX | But it's not goona be mounted |
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| 07:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | try mount manually |
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| 07:47.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and check cssu-t changelogs |
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| 07:51.46 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: http://www.fpaste.org/19555/37162829/ |
| 07:51.52 | XATRIX | That's my curent mounts |
| 07:52.38 | XATRIX | mmc1 - actually mounted my livecd image |
| 07:52.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks good |
| 07:52.47 | XATRIX | I can see the contents of |
| 07:52.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.04 | XATRIX | Seems like p2 mounted also, there's no files yet |
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| 07:53.23 | XATRIX | But my maemo file manager does show anything related except Nokia N900 |
| 07:53.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks like you're already using cssu |
| 07:53.27 | XATRIX | No SD card |
| 07:53.48 | XATRIX | Ah |
| 07:53.52 | XATRIX | crap, wait |
| 07:54.05 | XATRIX | My file manager doesn't show Nokia N900 | SD Card |
| 07:54.34 | XATRIX | It shows now = Nokia N900 | 538,5 mb volume | Sysrcd-3.7. |
| 07:54.40 | XATRIX | O_O |
| 07:54.53 | Lava_Croft | So i just noticed flopswap |
| 07:54.59 | Lava_Croft | time to ditch shell scripts |
| 07:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | swapflop? |
| 07:55.15 | Lava_Croft | flopswap |
| 07:55.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever flop |
| 07:55.24 | Lava_Croft | http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap |
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| 07:55.45 | XATRIX | never heard about flopswap |
| 07:56.27 | Lava_Croft | too bad i had to remove swapset before it worked |
| 07:56.37 | Lava_Croft | swapset automounts any swaps it finds |
| 07:56.43 | Lava_Croft | on boot |
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| 07:58.04 | kerio | that sounds bad |
| 07:58.10 | kerio | it turns removing the uSD into a kernel panic |
| 07:59.04 | vi__ | freemangordon: Yo |
| 07:59.12 | vi__ | freemangordon: WTF is going on in your city? |
| 07:59.23 | Lava_Croft | kerio: yes |
| 07:59.30 | Lava_Croft | kerio: it doesnt seem to notify you of it either |
| 07:59.44 | Lava_Croft | so i was wondering how the fuck i ended up with several swaps mounted without me doing anything |
| 07:59.56 | Lava_Croft | (besides install swapset) |
| 08:01.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, sixwheeledbeast |
| 08:02.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that flopswap sounds good |
| 08:04.01 | Lava_Croft | yeah, flopswap seems a nice solution |
| 08:04.04 | Lava_Croft | the nicest i found so far |
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| 08:21.34 | vi__ | and how is flopswap better than a cron script? |
| 08:22.32 | vi__ | At 3am check to see that keyboard is closed and screen is off (means it is probably asleep), swap on/swap off etc. |
| 08:24.35 | Lava_Croft | the 'probably' in there already ruined it for me |
| 08:25.02 | vi__ | Seriously? |
| 08:27.37 | Lava_Croft | i had scripts like that before, like a GUI a bit better |
| 08:27.46 | Lava_Croft | so i can see for myself how much swap has been written |
| 08:27.50 | Lava_Croft | which swap is actually in use, etc |
| 08:28.05 | Lava_Croft | and a bit easier to use |
| 08:28.16 | Lava_Croft | its not inherently better than a cron script |
| 08:28.40 | Lava_Croft | but it has big butonz i can press |
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| 08:45.47 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: whan i connect my nokia as a data storage will it represent sc card as a 1 disk, or it will feed it to windows as per partition ? |
| 08:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik per partition |
| 08:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. each exported partition makes for a separate storage device iirc |
| 09:14.12 | divVerent | yes, SD card is exported as a whole |
| 09:14.20 | divVerent | so if your SD card has partitions, the OS will see partitions too |
| 09:14.41 | divVerent | as opposed to this, the flash memory will be exported differently - only the MyDocs partition gets exported |
| 09:14.59 | divVerent | this BTW also means that if you, like I do, have swap on external SD card, and use mass storage mode... |
| 09:15.09 | divVerent | you should be careful not to touch that partition from the PC's OS :P |
| 09:32.22 | XATRIX | The trouble i faced here. I plug my SD card using the microSD adapter to PC and made sda1(vfat)+sda2(iso9660(boot)) partitions |
| 09:32.44 | XATRIX | Then i applied it to Nokia, then exported as a Storage mode |
| 09:32.47 | divVerent | why would you use this second partition? |
| 09:32.51 | divVerent | still... this is supposed to work |
| 09:33.06 | XATRIX | wait a sec |
| 09:33.54 | XATRIX | Now i boot my windows and see Removable Disk 29,28GB in Disk management console |
| 09:34.02 | XATRIX | And it has H: |
| 09:34.25 | divVerent | until here it sounds all good |
| 09:34.32 | XATRIX | But unknown partition |
| 09:34.44 | divVerent | is the size the size of the VFAT partition? |
| 09:35.29 | XATRIX | it doesn't see it as a vfat partition. Also, i have the second partition about 1024 (that's my iso9660) Active(bootable) But has no assigned disk letter |
| 09:35.36 | divVerent | unless you already did this, I recommend you to do the partitioning and formatting as VFAT from Windows, if you want to be sure that Windows can read it |
| 09:35.43 | XATRIX | They all looks like unformatted |
| 09:35.51 | divVerent | did you create the partitions from Linux? |
| 09:35.57 | XATRIX | Yes |
| 09:36.01 | divVerent | that is it probably |
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| 09:36.04 | XATRIX | mkfs.vfat |
| 09:36.04 | divVerent | when creating the partition |
| 09:36.09 | divVerent | how did you partition? |
| 09:36.15 | divVerent | the thing is, you should be asked about a partition type |
| 09:36.19 | divVerent | and it defaults to a "Linux partition"\ |
| 09:36.25 | divVerent | which windows will not even try to probe |
| 09:36.29 | XATRIX | Ah |
| 09:36.35 | XATRIX | Yes, i remember |
| 09:36.36 | divVerent | you can fix it now, by using fdisk on Linux again |
| 09:36.42 | divVerent | and setting the partition type to something VFAT |
| 09:36.48 | divVerent | this will not delete any data |
| 09:36.52 | XATRIX | Ok |
| 09:37.10 | divVerent | there is multiple VFAT related types, I have no idea which is the right one |
| 09:37.15 | divVerent | in the past I always guessed right |
| 09:37.18 | XATRIX | W95 FAT |
| 09:37.22 | divVerent | so if it does not work, try another sounding like FAT |
| 09:37.32 | XATRIX | Ok |
| 09:37.44 | divVerent | there is IIRC also some LBA one, which sounds more right... but I have no idea |
| 09:37.54 | divVerent | never had any issues with guessing yet :P |
| 09:38.06 | divVerent | or, check some USB stick that works, and see which type that oen uses :P |
| 09:38.45 | XATRIX | I wonder why i can't do it with N900 using ssh ^^ |
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| 09:40.26 | divVerent | maybe no fdisk installed? |
| 09:40.29 | divVerent | I never tried |
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| 09:51.05 | XATRIX | I don't even have fdisk in my package :)))0 |
| 09:51.17 | XATRIX | apt-get install fdisk - gives me nothing :) |
| 09:52.10 | XATRIX | Hm... i changed my part types to W95 FAT (LBA) both |
| 09:52.22 | XATRIX | And was able to formart sda1 |
| 09:52.43 | XATRIX | In windows... But windows doesn't want to formart my second partition |
| 09:58.43 | Pali | windows has notoriously bad or none support for partitions and filesystems |
| 09:59.46 | Pali | windows 7 still has bad and seems still none support for more MBR partitions on SD cards for 3rd IFS filesystems |
| 09:59.59 | Pali | rather use some linux for formatting |
| 10:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure there's *any* particular partition type you could use for an ISO9660 image |
| 10:03.43 | Pali | in MBR? |
| 10:03.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 10:04.00 | Pali | yes, there is no MBR partition ID for iso9660 |
| 10:04.01 | XATRIX | Yes, but i'm going to formart this small partition as FAT32 , aquire a letter for a drive (e.g G:) and write the image to the disk G: using UltraISO |
| 10:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | no surprise, since ISO9660 is sipposed to be MBR-less |
| 10:04.27 | XATRIX | But i can't format it as fat32 :) |
| 10:04.47 | Pali | do not use windows for it |
| 10:05.00 | Pali | it is OS which cannot do what you want |
| 10:05.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | use cfdisk or sfdisk on N900 |
| 10:05.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I prefer cfdisk |
| 10:05.29 | Pali | sfdisk is preinstalled on n900 |
| 10:05.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but cryptic |
| 10:06.06 | Pali | I'm still using fdisk & gdisk because both tools doing what I want |
| 10:06.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest you make your ISO9660 the *first* partition |
| 10:06.32 | XATRIX | I have no cfdisk, nor sfdisk installed in PR1.3 ) |
| 10:06.39 | Pali | (and not what programmers think that I should want) |
| 10:06.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | will most probably work better for boot-"CD" |
| 10:06.57 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: Doesn't matter the order of, i checkd |
| 10:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 10:07.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine then |
| 10:07.28 | Pali | for bootCD there is el-torito iso image. that iso image contains fat32 bootable partition |
| 10:07.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm quite surprised that your BIOS is accepting this obfuscated setup |
| 10:07.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: and yes, you have sfdisk |
| 10:08.00 | XATRIX | :)))) |
| 10:08.04 | XATRIX | i have no |
| 10:08.05 | Pali | now bioses checking only active(boot) partition |
| 10:08.19 | Pali | sfdisk is needed by rcS-late |
| 10:08.31 | Pali | so if you do not have sfdisk, your maemo is not bootable anymore |
| 10:08.53 | XATRIX | let's see |
| 10:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you have! |
| 10:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ # ls -l /sbin/sfdisk |
| 10:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 45160 Aug 24 2012 /sbin/sfdisk |
| 10:09.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you just don't have sbin in your user's $PATH |
| 10:09.41 | Pali | sfdisk is part of busybox :-) |
| 10:10.00 | XATRIX | http://imgur.com/5Dpfe5I - that's what i receive when i try to formart my 1GB partition |
| 10:10.03 | Pali | so if you do not have sfdisk --> you do not have busybox --> you do not have maemo 5 :-) |
| 10:10.38 | XATRIX | you right, i have sfdisk :( |
| 10:10.42 | Pali | XATRIX: do not use f*cking windows system for formatting which does not support it :-) |
| 10:10.50 | XATRIX | ) |
| 10:11.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you either become root and check/fix your $PATH, or invoke /sbin/sfdisk, or busybox sfdisk |
| 10:12.17 | XATRIX | http://www.fpaste.org/19577/36725137/ - what a mess :) |
| 10:12.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | toldya ;-P |
| 10:12.50 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: Yes, it was my fault, i cound't locate sfdisk |
| 10:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | install cfdisk! |
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| 10:13.43 | XATRIX | should my /dev/mmcblk0 look like on my paste |
| 10:13.44 | XATRIX | ? |
| 10:14.22 | Pali | /dev/mmcblk0 is eMMC and it is OK |
| 10:14.53 | Pali | /dev/mmcblk1 is your SD card with 2 partitions (second marked as "bootable") |
| 10:15.11 | XATRIX | Cfdisk warns me about: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder. Press any key to exit cfdisk |
| 10:15.13 | XATRIX | :)))) |
| 10:15.13 | Pali | XATRIX: what you want to do? |
| 10:15.57 | XATRIX | I have mmc2 = 32GB , i want 1partition=31GB , 2nd=1GB(boot) |
| 10:16.35 | XATRIX | 1partition=fat32(to use as a standard) ,and 2nd - will be systemrescuecd installed by syslinux |
| 10:18.00 | Pali | XATRIX: backup your SD card and repartition it again from sfdisk/cfdisk |
| 10:18.11 | XATRIX | ok, i've done |
| 10:18.23 | XATRIX | now it's parted properly |
| 10:18.41 | Pali | after repartition, create 1st filesystem and then via dd (or something else) copy there your rescue |
| 10:18.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget to mark part2 as bootable |
| 10:18.55 | Pali | /dev/mmcblk1p2 * 3696 3822- 127- 1014472 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 10:18.56 | XATRIX | Should i graver Fat32 using mkfs.vfat ? on a first parititon |
| 10:18.59 | Pali | this is bad ^^^ |
| 10:19.03 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: sure |
| 10:19.09 | Pali | begin: 3696 end:3822 |
| 10:19.17 | Pali | end < begin |
| 10:19.18 | XATRIX | ^^ |
| 10:19.27 | XATRIX | Currenly i have proper values |
| 10:19.46 | XATRIX | /dev/mmcblk1p1 0+ 927825 927826- 29690424 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 10:19.46 | XATRIX | /dev/mmcblk1p2 * 927826 959455 31630 1012160 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 10:19.46 | XATRIX | /dev/mmcblk1p3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty |
| 10:19.46 | XATRIX | /dev/mmcblk1p4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty |
| 10:19.57 | Pali | ok, this looks ok |
| 10:20.09 | Pali | run mkfs.vfat on /dev/mmcblk1p1 |
| 10:20.18 | XATRIX | Why does it tell me about p3 and p4 ? |
| 10:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | since all MBR have 4 partitions |
| 10:20.47 | Pali | because MBR always have 4 partitions |
| 10:20.49 | XATRIX | vfat is done |
| 10:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | the data structure is defined that way |
| 10:20.57 | XATRIX | Ah |
| 10:21.42 | XATRIX | And the last one - ~#sync :) |
| 10:21.49 | XATRIX | to flush buffers |
| 10:22.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, good idea |
| 10:22.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | + sleep 5 |
| 10:22.42 | XATRIX | ? |
| 10:22.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | since even after sync returns, the flash controller might still be busy writing back last block to flash |
| 10:23.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | inside the uSD |
| 10:23.20 | XATRIX | O_O windows now detects it as ONE partition G: 27GB |
| 10:23.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow |
| 10:23.51 | Pali | so it ignoring second partition :D |
| 10:23.57 | XATRIX | After i exported using USB |
| 10:23.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you already copied your ISO to p2? |
| 10:23.58 | Pali | perfect OS |
| 10:23.58 | XATRIX | Nope |
| 10:24.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 10:24.13 | XATRIX | I have 2 paritions + 2 vfats |
| 10:24.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you did a mkfs.vfat on p2? |
| 10:24.22 | XATRIX | yeap |
| 10:24.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | is that a yes? |
| 10:24.45 | XATRIX | Now i should have 2 FAT32 partitions |
| 10:24.48 | XATRIX | yes |
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| 10:25.15 | XATRIX | ah...crap wait |
| 10:25.20 | XATRIX | It's not even flash |
| 10:25.25 | XATRIX | It's mmc0 |
| 10:25.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? |
| 10:25.40 | XATRIX | O_O where the hell are flash disks :( |
| 10:26.42 | XATRIX | Holy crpa... it wasn't exported by nokia... Simply the eMMC was. Now i did sfdisk /dev/mmcblk1 just to make sure if everything is ok |
| 10:26.55 | XATRIX | and windows disk manager - found it O_O |
| 10:27.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you removed and re-inserted uSD after changing partition table? |
| 10:27.53 | XATRIX | But i have the same trouble as i described on a screenshot |
| 10:27.58 | XATRIX | No i didn't extract Sd |
| 10:28.12 | XATRIX | Simply plug in the USB-cable |
| 10:28.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | (sfdisk has a call to a kernel function that re-reads the partition table. cfdisk doesn't afaik) |
| 10:28.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | but cfdisk comes with a bold warning about that issue |
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| 10:29.03 | XATRIX | Yea, down the screen |
| 10:29.33 | XATRIX | Currently i end up where i started. My second partition is unusable |
| 10:29.42 | XATRIX | But the first one does well |
| 10:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | removing back cover suffices anyway |
| 10:30.04 | XATRIX | suffices ? |
| 10:30.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, what did you do? |
| 10:30.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you dd the iso9660 to part2? |
| 10:30.39 | XATRIX | Negative |
| 10:30.44 | XATRIX | SD is empty now |
| 10:31.44 | XATRIX | 1 did 2 partitions ,assined OC flag on it, mkfs.vfat both, exported to windows via USB |
| 10:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't like the "-" and "+" in your sfdisk listing |
| 10:31.56 | XATRIX | 1st partition is ok, the second is not |
| 10:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.41 | XATRIX | what should i check ? |
| 10:32.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.07 | XATRIX | maybe it's not critical ? |
| 10:34.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should unplug, open and close back cover, then plug again |
| 10:34.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | first of all |
| 10:34.21 | XATRIX | Maybe i can try the way, make one big partition, write cd image to, then devide/resize it on 2 partitions using parted ? |
| 10:34.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | OMG why? |
| 10:35.05 | XATRIX | This way definatly works, i tried today morning |
| 10:35.10 | XATRIX | on 1GB sd card |
| 10:35.40 | XATRIX | What does the unpluggin of back cover ? |
| 10:35.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
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| 10:35.52 | XATRIX | Is there a secret button inside ? |
| 10:41.12 | Lava_Croft | XATRIX: magnet |
| 10:41.24 | Lava_Croft | it unmounts the sdcard upon removing back cover |
| 10:41.46 | XATRIX | cool ) |
| 10:41.50 | Lava_Croft | no |
| 10:41.56 | Lava_Croft | not if swap is on sd:P |
| 10:42.21 | XATRIX | I hope it doesn't demagnet data on it ;) |
| 10:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, when you remove the uSD it breaks anyway |
| 10:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what's wrong with magnet switching it off gracefully? |
| 10:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's your swap that's not working correctly ;-P |
| 10:44.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or your uSD card that's flawed in that it needs hysical contact to the device, to operate |
| 10:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | physical |
| 10:44.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you wouldn't renove backcover anyway, except for removing uSD or even whole battery |
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| 10:45.59 | Lava_Croft | removing the backcover is not equal to removing the sdcard, therefore unmounting the sdcard when removing the backcover is overzealous |
| 10:46.10 | Lava_Croft | its like my shower starts to spray me wet the moment i enter my bathroom |
| 10:46.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course Nokia could've built in a servo lock into backcover that allows opening it up only after you umounted every partition on uSD |
| 10:46.39 | Lava_Croft | they could have done a lot for the n900 hw :) |
| 10:46.45 | Lava_Croft | ill agree on that |
| 10:47.22 | Lava_Croft | flopswap does 'solve' that kind of nicely |
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| 10:47.31 | Lava_Croft | it has a big button to move swap back to mmc |
| 10:47.44 | Lava_Croft | or whatever its called, the device itself |
| 10:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't help either when you don't use it |
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| 10:48.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | eMMC |
| 10:48.10 | Lava_Croft | oh yeah, the e |
| 10:48.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | e like embedded |
| 10:48.35 | Lava_Croft | would be nice to have some built-in solution for swap in cssu |
| 10:48.38 | Lava_Croft | whatever form it may take |
| 10:48.50 | Lava_Croft | and whatever one classifies as a 'solution' |
| 10:48.55 | Lava_Croft | very important matter in N900 world |
| 10:49.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | simple: 512MB additional RAM |
| 10:49.07 | Lava_Croft | thats not as easy |
| 10:49.17 | divVerent | my solution is a small shell script I run on every startup from xterm manually |
| 10:49.26 | jaska | swap was an awful idea to begin with |
| 10:49.30 | divVerent | that does swapon to a MMC partition, then lets me enter the master password generator key |
| 10:49.32 | jaska | on a "phone" |
| 10:49.43 | divVerent | creates a ramdisk for part of gconf (the modest accounts) |
| 10:49.46 | divVerent | and fills in the passwords |
| 10:49.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: I tend to agree |
| 10:50.24 | Lava_Croft | i just use the flopswap method now, but havent been using it long enough yet |
| 10:50.40 | divVerent | flopswap? |
| 10:50.50 | Lava_Croft | some gui for swap management, kind of |
| 10:51.01 | Lava_Croft | http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap |
| 10:51.08 | Lava_Croft | its rather limited and simple, but does the job |
| 10:51.12 | divVerent | wtf... why TWO swap parts on SD? |
| 10:51.23 | Lava_Croft | so you can swap between em when one gets fragmented |
| 10:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | to switch between them |
| 10:51.30 | Lava_Croft | so you dont have to switch between eMMC and SD |
| 10:51.36 | Lava_Croft | which reduces wear on the emmc |
| 10:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and increases defragment time by 2 |
| 10:52.01 | Lava_Croft | no shit |
| 10:52.09 | Lava_Croft | sometimes it would take scary long to move swap back to eMMC |
| 10:52.13 | divVerent | still... probably makes no sense |
| 10:52.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | two times swapon&&swapoff |
| 10:52.23 | Lava_Croft | yeah |
| 10:52.25 | divVerent | it's not like the N900 stays up that long that swap fragmentation is an actuasl issue |
| 10:52.29 | Lava_Croft | it doesnt? |
| 10:52.33 | Lava_Croft | mine certainly does |
| 10:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | for uSD->eMMC and then eMMC->uSD |
| 10:52.42 | divVerent | mine crashes about once every 2 weeks |
| 10:52.47 | Lava_Croft | my n900 basically only reboots when i have to or when i forget to recharge |
| 10:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | divVerent: ooh? |
| 10:52.49 | divVerent | and in that time, swap fragmentation is no issue |
| 10:52.50 | Lava_Croft | which isnt often |
| 10:52.51 | divVerent | or rather |
| 10:52.56 | divVerent | I notice no speed diff before and after reboot |
| 10:53.00 | Lava_Croft | mine never crashes |
| 10:53.00 | Lava_Croft | heh |
| 10:53.05 | divVerent | well |
| 10:53.09 | divVerent | sometimes it crashes hard... |
| 10:53.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | mine neither |
| 10:53.14 | divVerent | but sometimes I just forgot to charge in time |
| 10:53.21 | divVerent | or I power it off BEFORE battery goes totally empty |
| 10:53.34 | divVerent | hard crashes seem to happen especially with opera mobile, but I still need this browser |
| 10:53.40 | divVerent | mainly because I need tabs and microb sucks |
| 10:53.43 | divVerent | but also due to opera turbo |
| 10:53.44 | Lava_Croft | hard crashes with opera mobile? |
| 10:53.45 | Lava_Croft | wtf? |
| 10:53.50 | divVerent | saves a LOT of bandwidth on mobile |
| 10:53.56 | divVerent | Lava_Croft: I am not saying opera CAUSES them |
| 10:53.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually in 5(?) years I haven't seen more than 2 freezes from mass cp, and no unsolicited reboot ever |
| 10:54.02 | divVerent | but I only use few programs |
| 10:54.13 | divVerent | opera mobile, openmediaplayer, penpen, and that notepad thing |
| 10:54.15 | Lava_Croft | the only hard reboot i got also killed the n900 |
| 10:54.19 | Lava_Croft | and got me a replacement |
| 10:54.26 | jaska | yeah, the only ones ive had were from using dd on a very large file (was trying to provoke it) |
| 10:54.29 | Lava_Croft | hard crash whatever |
| 10:54.32 | divVerent | maybe it was not frozen but just took long :P |
| 10:54.39 | divVerent | I am impatient sometimes |
| 10:54.45 | Lava_Croft | well, OMP hangs these days upon first launch after boot |
| 10:54.51 | divVerent | yes, know that |
| 10:54.54 | Lava_Croft | no matter if you have 10k songs or 0 songs |
| 10:54.55 | divVerent | does not annoy me much though |
| 10:54.57 | divVerent | it is only like 10 sec |
| 10:54.58 | Lava_Croft | i tested that when reflashing |
| 10:55.02 | Lava_Croft | 10s for what |
| 10:55.07 | Lava_Croft | 10s that werent there before |
| 10:55.16 | divVerent | for showing the dialog "single file or whole folder" |
| 10:55.20 | divVerent | before what? |
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| 10:55.28 | Lava_Croft | OMP didnt always hang 10s upon boot |
| 10:55.29 | Lava_Croft | or more |
| 10:55.33 | divVerent | oh, didn't know that :P |
| 10:55.37 | Lava_Croft | its something of the latest or near-latest version |
| 10:55.39 | divVerent | it just is not long enough to annoy me yet |
| 10:55.48 | Lava_Croft | it is for me, OMP is the app i use 90% of the time |
| 10:55.51 | divVerent | there is 4 version of omp in apt... maybe the previous does not have the issue? |
| 10:56.01 | divVerent | yes, but it hits me only once per reboot |
| 10:56.05 | divVerent | and once every 2 weeks is ok |
| 10:56.08 | Lava_Croft | its only once per reboot, yes |
| 10:56.14 | Lava_Croft | but since it seems like a regression, it annoys me more |
| 10:56.16 | divVerent | well, 2 weeks is the AVERAGE quota... |
| 10:56.20 | Lava_Croft | probably would annoy less if it was always there:D |
| 10:56.26 | Lava_Croft | always has been there* |
| 10:56.27 | divVerent | recently I fulfilled this reboot quota by rebooting to try if it fixes an OMP bug |
| 10:56.39 | divVerent | the u/v color swap :P |
| 10:56.43 | Lava_Croft | ah yewahj |
| 10:56.46 | Lava_Croft | yeah* holy |
| 10:56.54 | divVerent | which was however rather a bug only in the zoomed in view |
| 10:58.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | zoomed in window? how'd you zoom a window? |
| 10:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know we once a long time ago had that zoom function in MHD, in cssu, but it got removed since it ... was buggy ;-P |
| 10:59.46 | Lava_Croft | since it was sucking |
| 10:59.53 | Lava_Croft | my god that was as useless as the iphone zoom feature:D |
| 11:00.02 | Lava_Croft | it was a great way to show how good n900 screen is tho |
| 11:01.11 | vi__ | aah. hildon zoom. |
| 11:01.15 | vi__ | terrible feature. |
| 11:01.50 | Lava_Croft | what the hell |
| 11:01.52 | Lava_Croft | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bKgf5PaBzyg |
| 11:02.03 | Lava_Croft | John McAfee about McAfee antivirus... |
| 11:02.06 | Lava_Croft | NFSW language |
| 11:02.20 | Lava_Croft | nsfw in general, i just notice |
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| 11:16.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 11:16.36 | rikanee | didn't John McAfee totally lose it though? |
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| 11:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if that's funny |
| 11:17.27 | rikanee | last I heard he was in Belize doing super-coke |
| 11:19.23 | Lava_Croft | rikanee: there's a distinct difference between what media reports and what actually takes place |
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| 11:33.40 | Win7Mac | How/where will the BoD-meeting take place tomorrow, can it be attended somehow? |
| 11:34.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | good question, though probably a question best asked to BoD |
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| 11:35.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://hildonfoundation.org/news/ is clueless |
| 11:35.49 | Win7Mac | Woody14619 ^^^^ - got a clue? |
| 11:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.concert-oh.com is also clueless |
| 11:38.42 | Win7Mac | they probably have a conference call on phone? |
| 11:40.37 | Win7Mac | ~seen Woody14619 |
| 11:40.40 | infobot | woody14619 is currently on #maemo #maemo-ssu, last said: 'There may not been a need. Technically, a majority of directors need only inform the secretary of an action for it to count, even outside of a meeting. (Been brushing up on PA law: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/15/00.017.027.000..HTM'. |
| 11:42.42 | Win7Mac | ^ that was some time ago... |
| 11:42.45 | Win7Mac | Woody14619: ping |
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| 11:45.36 | divVerent | haha |
| 11:45.44 | divVerent | Woody14619: this last message reminds me SO MUCH of "Yes, Minister" :P |
| 11:46.18 | Lava_Croft | haha Yes, Minister |
| 11:46.24 | Lava_Croft | thanks you for making me remember |
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| 11:46.55 | divVerent | reminds me the part of where the meeting notes are written in advance... |
| 11:47.03 | divVerent | and it doesn't matter AT ALL what they actually will say |
| 11:47.07 | divVerent | also, written by their secretaries |
| 12:00.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: here? |
| 12:01.10 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: yes I on my half hour lunch, wazzup? |
| 12:01.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: I get a tad tired reading thru http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87985&page=7 and on, so pondered I tell you directly...: |
| 12:02.08 | sixwheeledbeast | ... |
| 12:02.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | on one of my devices /proc/diskstats has swap on mmcblk0p3 while on other device it's on mmcblk1p3. Both devices in /proc7swaps claim swap to be on mmcblk0p3 |
| 12:03.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a frequently seen problem that some of the /proc/* nodes don't learn about the rename |
| 12:03.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | during early boot eMMC is mmcblk1 when there's a uSD inserted |
| 12:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | since physically the uSd is on controller0 |
| 12:04.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | which gets checked first by kernel |
| 12:05.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels reminded on windozre driveletter mess |
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| 12:08.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | what worries me is that t900 (the device with /proc/diskstat -> 179 3 mmcblk0p3 37691 61599 794648 1649023 2684 37941 325000 332406 0 442109 1981390) has a uSD as well, but it's actually the IroN900 that has 179 11 mmcblk1p3 16338 49135 523896 170515 2988 36601 316712 174640 0 192242 345070 |
| 12:09.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 12:12.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless, for the chanlog then: yes, I removed my uSD on IroN900 and opened browser and checked that swap is increasing (= getting used) |
| 12:13.53 | Lava_Croft | windows and drive letters is awesome if you have no clue what you are doing! |
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| 12:14.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/3b4ca2d70f |
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| 12:18.26 | divVerent | BTW, as for uptime of N900... just need to do another reboot - CSSU update :P |
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| 12:26.28 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: sorry about that got disconnected again. I didnt think diskstats had any information about the type of drive only it's number mmcblkXpX |
| 12:27.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
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| 12:28.37 | sixwheeledbeast | goes to check logs ... |
| 12:28.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually wonder myself how to pick the right one of mmcblk?p3, particularly when you got a uSD that also has 3+ partitions |
| 12:30.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you could check which one is "used" by watching for changes which maybe even are in sync with changes in /proc/swaps output |
| 12:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's yet to get verified if you *always* have swap on mmcblk1p3 in /proc/diskstat when there's a uSD inserted during boot |
| 12:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I anyway was able to verify by removing uSD before doing the http://privatepaste.com/3b4ca2d70f |
| 12:34.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/bc16158544 is how it looked before I removed the uSD, on device which booten with uSD inserted |
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| 12:54.06 | divVerent | AH... finally got rid of the stupid icon moving above background when switching desktops |
| 12:54.09 | divVerent | it is called parallax |
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| 12:58.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and tunable in transitions.ini |
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| 13:03.11 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, my response to the questionnaire thread, assuming you were hmm?-ing me last night. |
| 13:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 13:04.01 | Win7Mac | quite a wall, but a good read |
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| 13:05.47 | GeneralAntilles | I actually cut it down a fair bit, too. O_o |
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| 13:10.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: (blacklist) see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-07-16.log.html#t2012-07-16T23:00:12 |
| 13:11.28 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: thnks |
| 13:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: I think chem|st's answer is absolutely illegible |
| 13:14.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels like reading a SIEMENS so called 10-finger-manual (you need all 10 fingers for "bookmarks" to jump between references and definitions) |
| 13:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | also needlessly offensive against renob who wasn't even adressing chem|st directly |
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| 13:16.21 | Win7Mac | :nod: |
| 13:18.23 | Win7Mac | only I forgot to mention the take on supporting Harmattan assets. love to see that too |
| 13:18.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: yours as well are 2nd halves of complete sentences that make no sense unless each time scrolling to post#1 for the question |
| 13:20.09 | Win7Mac | should I quote the Qs? |
| 13:20.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually 3) isn't |
| 13:21.15 | Win7Mac | or better rework answers? |
| 13:21.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders how you wrote those answers. Did you copy the questions, answer them and then delete them from your text? Or did you have two tiled windows on your screen? |
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| 13:23.53 | Win7Mac | I opted for the primary |
| 13:24.04 | Win7Mac | ;-) |
| 13:33.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, see GeneralAntilles for both how to write answers in a correct way as well as what I for one really appreciate regarding the ideas expressed by the answers |
| 13:35.00 | Lava_Croft | The beauty of a good answer is that it tells a very small, coherent story! :D |
| 13:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing wrong with answering more terse (maybe), but for sure reducing it to just the few words needed to "how do you complete that sentence? "When I was a BoD member, I would..." is a bit hard to read for everybody |
| 13:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: indeed |
| 13:36.11 | Lava_Croft | a math teacher that just explains the numbers is bleh |
| 13:36.16 | Lava_Croft | the best ones were those with the small stories |
| 13:36.30 | Lava_Croft | i always see it as a kind of PR |
| 13:37.04 | Lava_Croft | well, more like advertising/commercials |
| 13:38.37 | Win7Mac | ok, thanks guys. will edit them later |
| 13:38.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | as a rule of thumb, for anything but the shortest replies, an answer should make sense even when not knowing the detached question |
| 13:39.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | some of the "answers" in that track are not even correct complete sentences |
| 13:39.44 | Lava_Croft | thats why confirmation that you understood the question, which usually takes the form of incorporation the question itself into your answer |
| 13:39.51 | Lava_Croft | is so important |
| 13:39.52 | Win7Mac | right, that's what I always tell the interviewee when I ask them... |
| 13:40.01 | Lava_Croft | my god the heat is affecting my ability to process long sentences |
| 13:40.04 | Lava_Croft | and then type them out |
| 13:40.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~weather eddn |
| 13:40.54 | Win7Mac | +weather ham |
| 13:40.58 | Lava_Croft | 70% humidity here |
| 13:41.00 | Lava_Croft | and 25celsius |
| 13:41.07 | Win7Mac | ~weather ham |
| 13:41.10 | Lava_Croft | hubba bubba air |
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| 13:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeew |
| 13:42.42 | Win7Mac | ~weather 10850 |
| 13:43.46 | Win7Mac | ~weather EDDH |
| 13:44.01 | Win7Mac | thanks ;) |
| 13:45.05 | Win7Mac | DocS, where do you "sit"? |
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| 13:47.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | N obviously ;-) |
| 13:47.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~icao |
| 13:47.25 | infobot | i heard icao is an International Civial Aviation Organization code, often useful in finding weather stations. See http://www.ivao.org/db/ss/ to lookup a code. |
| 13:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ivao?? |
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| 13:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~icao is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICAO_airport_code |
| 13:50.12 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 13:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | god, icao.int is sooo fsckup a website |
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| 15:25.12 | Woody14619 | Win7Mac, Am updating election booth & need a real name to for you. (Must list real name and board nick for elections.) Your m.o account lacks real name. |
| 15:28.14 | Win7Mac | Woody14619: Gido Griese |
| 15:29.01 | Win7Mac | see my candidate declaration: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013#Gido_Griese_.28win7mac.29 |
| 15:30.34 | Win7Mac | Woody14619, is tomorrows BoD-meeting somehow attendable? |
| 15:32.48 | tzafrir | Recently my n900 does not seem to ring on calls anymore. |
| 15:33.19 | tzafrir | I saw this mentioned on a forum post or two. I don't seem to find an open bug about this in the bugzilla. |
| 15:33.26 | tzafrir | Is the bugzilla being used? |
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| 15:33.48 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: what is GUIDEC? |
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| 15:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: nfc |
| 15:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | 6 letters? |
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| 15:37.01 | vi__ | It is something to do with GSM or something. |
| 15:37.08 | vi__ | Thought you might know. |
| 15:37.12 | vi__ | TY anyway. |
| 15:47.31 | GeneralAntilles | tzafrir, not by Nokia. |
| 15:48.39 | tzafrir | Nokia still involved with the n900? |
| 15:49.28 | tzafrir | I installed the recent compunity SSU updated, so I figured Nokia is not really there |
| 15:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia not, no. |
| 15:56.56 | Pali | nokia does not care about n900 about 2/3 years |
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| 16:05.00 | vi__ | Nokia abandoned N900 in about December 2009. |
| 16:08.51 | Sc0rpius | 18<vi__> Nokia abandoned N900 in about December 2009. <-- word. |
| 16:18.24 | Woody14619 | Win7Mac, Yes, just got the mail for setup: http://www.concert-oh.com/web/meetingDetail/eqod3YTInq6M_VAnCLQaAA== |
| 16:19.28 | Win7Mac | Woody14619, MANY THANKS! I'll try to join |
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| 16:41.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: it seems it's not yet made a public meeting, and the link is not suited to join meeting without account at least |
| 16:42.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably you need an account anyway for that congross-ohno shit |
| 16:42.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | just saying |
| 16:42.44 | Win7Mac | yeah, you do |
| 16:42.51 | Win7Mac | ...need to register |
| 16:43.09 | Win7Mac | status: "öffentlich und offen" |
| 16:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | then why it's not showing up on http://www.concert-oh.com/web/home under "public meetings"? |
| 16:44.31 | Win7Mac | it actually *is* |
| 16:44.53 | Woody14619 | DocScrutinizer05, The meeting is public and open, it says so right on the linked paged in "Visibility". You do need to make an account to access the meeting. Considering it's a free voice conference service, with web-enabled joining, it seems a minor detail to give them a throw away e-mail address. |
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| 16:46.32 | Woody14619 | The previous one is also still listed, and can be played from archive: http://www.concert-oh.com/web/meetingDetail/E3sJqat_KIZceQ3pY2-AvA== |
| 16:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I won't join AV-conferences anyway |
| 16:47.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | too exhausting, my audio-processor and speech-parser is not dimensioned for that |
| 16:47.53 | Win7Mac | what?! :( |
| 16:48.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even understand the recording, not when I hear it 5 times |
| 16:48.33 | Win7Mac | grab some headphones |
| 16:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 16:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | listen to some nice music while meeting passing by? |
| 16:49.39 | Win7Mac | ...listen to meeting, no need to talk |
| 16:49.48 | Win7Mac | no need for cam |
| 16:49.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | furthermore I don't even have a microphone on my PC |
| 16:50.10 | Win7Mac | mee too! |
| 16:50.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I _will_ _NOT_ listen to any meeting |
| 16:50.41 | Win7Mac | yeah, got it now. what a pity |
| 16:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not used to listen to people talking even in German, since 20 years |
| 16:52.01 | Win7Mac | you _could_ comment though (old school typing stuff on KB) ;-) |
| 16:52.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I hardly get a word of CNN news |
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| 16:52.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | consider it a special case of deaf |
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| 16:53.33 | Win7Mac | *selective deafness... ;) |
| 16:53.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, general deafness |
| 16:54.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | at times I hardly understand german speakers |
| 16:55.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can do 1:1 peer to peer conversations, usually |
| 16:55.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't however switch between different spreakers rapidly |
| 16:56.25 | Win7Mac | doc, hmm... visit you doc probably ;) |
| 16:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | to do what? |
| 16:57.19 | Win7Mac | to cure your deafness |
| 16:57.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | get a certificate that allows me grabbing seat in subway from grannies? |
| 16:57.43 | Win7Mac | probably even that! |
| 16:57.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | tzz, I have other stuff to cure when I visit my doctor |
| 16:58.21 | Win7Mac | ok, no details pls |
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| 17:04.20 | sixwheeledbeast | is back |
| 17:04.39 | sixwheeledbeast | sorry about that before DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:04.52 | sixwheeledbeast | Bad internet and had to get back to work |
| 17:06.43 | sixwheeledbeast | You made reference to these: http://privatepaste.com/3b4ca2d70f http://privatepaste.com/bc16158544 |
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| 17:10.51 | sixwheeledbeast | flopswap has to have swaps in 0p3, 1p2 and 1p3 to work. |
| 17:13.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 17:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | but your flowswap probably gets confused when /proc/swaps says "mmcblk0p3" but in /proc/diskstats there's only a "mmcblk1p3" (which happens to be the same) |
| 17:15.15 | sixwheeledbeast | I have yet to see this happen, or have any reports of issues... |
| 17:15.25 | sixwheeledbeast | doesnt this happen with no uSD? |
| 17:15.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | look at my pastebin |
| 17:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you boot system with uSD the in early boot uSD is mmcblk0 and eMMC is mmcblk1. Later during boot those devices get swapped, but that doesn't take effect for /proc/partitions, /proc/diskstat and probably a few others |
| 17:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | it however DOES take effect for /proc/swaps |
| 17:17.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | since - I guess - the renaming is done before swapon |
| 17:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, this doesn't happen without uSD since then the eMMC is mmcblk0 |
| 17:18.36 | sixwheeledbeast | s/doesnt/does/ |
| 17:18.37 | sixwheeledbeast | so these are two different devices? do they both have uSD cards installed? |
| 17:19.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | since the kernel names first device it detects mmcblk0 and the next one mmcblk1 (a.s.o.) |
| 17:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-19 14:34:15] <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/bc16158544 is how it looked before I removed the uSD, on device which booten with uSD inserted |
| 17:21.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and this http://privatepaste.com/3b4ca2d70f is after I removed uSD on that device |
| 17:21.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I did some browsing to bump up cache) |
| 17:23.25 | sixwheeledbeast | How many swap partitions do you have? |
| 17:24.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm waiting on the other device for the calibration cycle to finish, then I'll reboot that one with and without uSD - that's however a PR1.2++ with hostmode kernel |
| 17:24.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: how is number of my swap partitions relevant? I haven't even installed flopswap |
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| 17:26.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just checked whole tmo thread if your flopswap handles this insane device-renaming somewhere, and since I didn't find anything I thought I introduce the issue to you |
| 17:27.13 | sixwheeledbeast | Well thank you. I wasn't aware and haven't had any issues yet. I will look into it. |
| 17:27.45 | sixwheeledbeast | I have yet to see a device with 0p1 0p2 0p3 missing in diskstats |
| 17:27.54 | sixwheeledbeast | like your pastebin |
| 17:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you usually won't since that only happens when you remove uSD |
| 17:28.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | the usual situation is that you see both 0p? and 1p? just they are *swapped* |
| 17:28.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | SCRN ;-D |
| 17:29.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | SCNR even |
| 17:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I noticed it by the size in /proc/partitions |
| 17:29.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | since my uSD is only 16GB |
| 17:30.11 | sixwheeledbeast | Well flopswap pushes swap to 0p3 (emmc) before ejecting the uSD |
| 17:30.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's fine since after renaming the names apply to swapon as well |
| 17:31.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | just you usage-calculation will deliver absolutely bogux values |
| 17:31.14 | sixwheeledbeast | at this point flopswap calculations are disabled until 1p2 and 1p3 reappear. |
| 17:31.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | still you calculate the values for eMMC when you calculate anything |
| 17:32.31 | sixwheeledbeast | eh? |
| 17:34.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you determine the active swap by cat /proc/swaps | awk '/dev/ {print $1}' | cut -d "/" -f 3 |
| 17:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | this returns mmcblk0p3 |
| 17:37.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | the statistics you acquire via blocks=$(awk '{if ($3=="'"$disk"'") print $10}' /proc/diskstats) however.. |
| 17:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | returns the statistics for uSD for disk=mmcblk0p3 |
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| 17:37.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and eMMC for for disk=mmcblk1p3 |
| 17:39.28 | sixwheeledbeast | but AFAIK if swap is 0p3 this is ignored and "Not available on Device Swap" is displayed. |
| 17:39.58 | sixwheeledbeast | peterl wrote a large part of this script. |
| 17:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. when both mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 are present in /proc/diskstats and you assume the uSD has been inserted at boottime already, then you need to use 0p3 for statistics when proc/swap says 1p3, and you need to use 1p3 for statistics when /proc/swaps says 0p3 |
| 17:41.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I haven't looked into that script, I thought if it had such special handling then this would've been mentioned in tmo thread or by you here in IRC today, meanwhile |
| 17:44.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can easily reproduce the proof: disable flowswap resp move swap to eMMC. do |
| 17:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /proc/swaps | awk '/dev/ {print $1}' | cut -d "/" -f 3 |
| 17:44.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | and |
| 17:44.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /proc/diskstats |
| 17:44.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | then remove uSD (nothig should happen since swap is on eMMC, right?) |
| 17:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and do both commands again |
| 17:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll instantly notice the problem when you carefully compare the device names in proc/swaps and proc/diskstats |
| 17:46.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you can't reproduce this, then I'd be highly interested to hear about it |
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| 17:46.20 | sixwheeledbeast | thank you very much for bringing it to my attn. unfortunately g2g. I will look into this and what you just suggested. |
| 17:46.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 17:47.15 | sixwheeledbeast | I would be interest of your opinion of the scripts if you have time to poke in the sources. thanks a lot. |
| 17:47.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, will try to find some time to look into them |
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| 17:53.11 | XATRIX | HI again, i tried multiple times, and can't make my mmc1 work with 2 partitions |
| 17:53.38 | XATRIX | It can work (boot) with one, but the other is unreachable by windows |
| 17:53.43 | XATRIX | in storage mode |
| 17:54.06 | XATRIX | it detects 2nd partition, but unable to do anything with it |
| 17:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I told you from beginning |
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| 17:58.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | a CD isn't supposed to have a MBR |
| 17:59.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, bogus MBR, bogus partitions |
| 18:00.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | while maybe your BIOS is able to use that "device" for booting, your windows has no clue how to handle a harddisk that has one partition that's a CD |
| 18:02.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | CDs are not supposed the be a partition among others on a HDD |
| 18:03.37 | XATRIX | no no no |
| 18:03.42 | XATRIX | i was able to boot from |
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| 18:03.58 | XATRIX | Even i was able to access partition from windows |
| 18:04.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I said "there's no partition type ID (like 81) for ISO9660" |
| 18:04.30 | XATRIX | but the second one - i created , fat32 for music,pics,porn - wasn't able to mount in windows |
| 18:04.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, since no CD ever has a second partition |
| 18:05.13 | XATRIX | hmmm....but my primary is not a cd |
| 18:05.17 | XATRIX | wait a sec |
| 18:06.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | that doesn't matter since, as I said two lines up, no HDD has a CD as second partition |
| 18:06.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither as first |
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| 18:07.17 | kerio | fwiw, it's a windows thing |
| 18:07.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | when your BIOS detects that device as a CD, then probably windows will refuse to look for any partitions on it, since the BIOS tells windows about the type of device. And even when not told by BIOS, I'd guess windows is confused to hell by such a setup |
| 18:07.27 | kerio | because iso9660 is a perfectly legit filesystem |
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| 18:07.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOT as a partition |
| 18:08.13 | kerio | why? :V |
| 18:08.28 | Pali | because iso9660 has not assigned MBR id |
| 18:08.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | for same reasons you can't have a physical drive as partition of a physical drive |
| 18:09.15 | kerio | but... `mount -t iso9660 partition mountpoint` :( |
| 18:09.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no way to have MBR in MBR in MBR |
| 18:09.19 | XATRIX | http://imgur.com/a/jbW8J#0 - a few pics |
| 18:09.19 | kerio | why can't i do that? |
| 18:09.22 | XATRIX | screenshots |
| 18:09.23 | Pali | on linux you can :-) |
| 18:09.25 | kerio | yay |
| 18:09.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | or phy dev in phy dev in phy dev |
| 18:09.31 | Pali | $ partx |
| 18:09.36 | Pali | $ kpartx |
| 18:09.44 | kerio | :D |
| 18:10.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ISO9660 is a format for a physical device |
| 18:10.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and thus has no MBR |
| 18:10.39 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer can you look at my pics ? |
| 18:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and thus is supposed to be only "partiton" of that phy device |
| 18:11.07 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: I think that El-Torito bootable CD needs some FAT32 partition |
| 18:11.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: no, since I donno what to look for |
| 18:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: possible |
| 18:11.35 | XATRIX | to look for prove of my statement |
| 18:11.38 | XATRIX | i could write MBR |
| 18:11.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 18:11.50 | XATRIX | syslinux v4 |
| 18:12.02 | XATRIX | it's not iso9660 |
| 18:12.04 | Pali | this is only way how to make CD bootable (embed bootable fat32 partition into iso9660 image) |
| 18:12.46 | Pali | if you want bootable iso9660 CD image also bootable from HDD/USB, use isohybrid |
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| 18:12.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but still you cant have another partion outside or in parallel to iso9660 on same physical drive |
| 18:13.04 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer why i can use multiple partiotion on a standard USB flash disk ? and boot from it ? |
| 18:13.18 | Pali | you can use grub2 for that :-) |
| 18:13.28 | XATRIX | syslinux |
| 18:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: you don't use ISO9660 on USB memstick |
| 18:13.43 | Pali | you can tell grub2 that second partition is iso image and you want to boot from it |
| 18:14.04 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: why ? |
| 18:14.13 | Pali | XATRIX: or use isohybrid |
| 18:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | because |
| 18:14.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | because a USBstick is no CD |
| 18:14.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ISO9660 *is* a CD format |
| 18:14.44 | Pali | bios cannot boot from any iso9660 partition (also stored on CD) |
| 18:14.45 | XATRIX | ok... what's the difference between nokia mmc1 and USB memstick? |
| 18:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | *only* CD format |
| 18:14.56 | Pali | bios can boot only from embeded FA32 partition |
| 18:15.03 | XATRIX | yes i know it |
| 18:15.29 | XATRIX | what's the crucial difference between ? |
| 18:15.30 | Pali | and if you want bootable CD you must include bootable FAT32 partition to iso image somehow |
| 18:15.40 | XATRIX | Why i can't do the same witch nokia ? |
| 18:15.41 | Pali | between what? |
| 18:15.54 | XATRIX | USB memstick vs Nokia mmc1 exported |
| 18:16.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: when you dd a iso-image to a partition, you ruin the vfat that's on it |
| 18:16.15 | Pali | this could be same |
| 18:16.59 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: it's pretty clear for me.... how should i make the same boot disk on nokia, as i did with USB memstick ? |
| 18:17.04 | Pali | if you want to boot from ISO image stored on USB memstick (= nokia mmc1), then you first need to make iso image hybrid (by isohybrid) and second you must dd it to full mmc1 device |
| 18:17.08 | Pali | without any partition |
| 18:17.21 | Pali | isohybrid will create proper MBR table in iso image for booting |
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| 18:17.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'd say the same way you did on usb stick ;-) |
| 18:17.48 | Pali | yes, same way |
| 18:17.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that fails then you got one of those "usb-sticks" (here N900) that can't get used for booting |
| 18:18.19 | kerio | how could it be? |
| 18:18.21 | XATRIX | Pali, usually i use LiveCdCretaor, or Write the image using UltraISO, it does FAT32+syslinux as long as i know |
| 18:18.22 | kerio | just export the image |
| 18:19.01 | XATRIX | I currently have 8GB USB memstick, 1partition(2GB) - systemrescuecd , 2nd patition(6GB) - NTFS (video,music,pics) |
| 18:19.02 | Pali | so do it on mmc1 |
| 18:19.10 | XATRIX | I can't |
| 18:19.18 | XATRIX | It doesn't support >1 partition |
| 18:19.24 | Pali | right |
| 18:19.26 | XATRIX | Or i do something wrong |
| 18:19.42 | Pali | and you cannot create more parts also on usb memstick? |
| 18:19.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's because N900 doesn't export physical device then |
| 18:20.04 | XATRIX | Pali: actually i can create as many as i need |
| 18:20.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I said that from beginning |
| 18:20.09 | Pali | n900 export full SD card |
| 18:20.16 | XATRIX | The question, is why i can't reproduce it with mmc1 ? |
| 18:20.21 | Pali | but from eMMC export only MyDocs |
| 18:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I doubt that |
| 18:20.45 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: It doesn't export device ? |
| 18:20.46 | Pali | XATRIX: anwser can be: because windows |
| 18:21.04 | XATRIX | :( |
| 18:21.51 | Pali | I already wrote that windows has bad or none support for raw access, more partitions and other fs... |
| 18:22.00 | XATRIX | Yea |
| 18:22.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'd go for a proper partitioning of a regular HDD, and forget abozut friggin ISO9660 image |
| 18:22.07 | XATRIX | That's crap |
| 18:23.07 | Pali | if you want any linux on your mmc1 do: create MBR parts as you want; format parts; copy all linux files to part(s); install syslinux to MBR; add syslinux config file for loading kernel |
| 18:23.24 | Pali | this will work for *any* (normal) linux distribution |
| 18:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | for that you'd have to *copy* the CD ISO *content* to first partition (vfat) of your uSD, logical aka file level |
| 18:23.44 | Pali | you can replace syslinux by *any* (normal) bootloader which can load & boot linux kernel |
| 18:23.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | lopmount for that |
| 18:23.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | loop* |
| 18:24.03 | XATRIX | Yes, but i wanna have a working partition for files,docs,music as well |
| 18:24.06 | XATRIX | so i have to have 2 |
| 18:24.10 | XATRIX | if it's possible |
| 18:24.37 | XATRIX | not to dedicate 32GB for 400MB systemrescuecd image/files :) |
| 18:24.38 | Pali | XATRIX: use above steps and do not use windows... |
| 18:24.44 | XATRIX | ok :) |
| 18:24.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, just copy *content* of your CD to first partition |
| 18:24.52 | ds3 | this new N900 battery (chinese import) is great... gone 13-14hours w/o complaints of low battery! |
| 18:25.03 | XATRIX | :))))))))))))))))) |
| 18:25.05 | ds3 | and this is with 3G enabled |
| 18:25.21 | XATRIX | ds3: you didn't see russain Siberian analog of chinese battery ) |
| 18:25.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | if everything fails, you burn a CD from that ISO, mount the cd and copy the files you find there to first partition of your uSD |
| 18:25.51 | ds3 | XATRIX: nope. |
| 18:25.52 | XATRIX | ok, i'll experiment a bit more |
| 18:26.01 | ds3 | and this one didn't require a new door or anything |
| 18:26.53 | Pali | I bet there are lot of "how to" on internet for rescue linux distributions and how to "copy" them to any partition with syslinux |
| 18:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly forget about ISO9660 on a USB stick |
| 18:27.31 | Pali | ISO9660 on a USB stick can be only via isohybrid |
| 18:27.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | it might work as long as there's no MBR before the start of ISO image |
| 18:27.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the PC thinks it's a CD drive |
| 18:27.43 | Pali | and this doing now all linux live distributions |
| 18:28.06 | XATRIX | ok ( |
| 18:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | but a CD drive has nothing like your partitions, neither a MBR |
| 18:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | an USBstick is way more like a HDD than like a CD |
| 18:29.45 | Pali | read this garret's blog: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html |
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| 18:30.37 | Pali | here is written how bootable ISO image can be stored on USB stick |
| 18:30.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 18:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: is gone ;-) |
| 18:31.04 | XATRIX | i'm here |
| 18:31.12 | XATRIX | just moved to laptop |
| 18:31.20 | Pali | XATRIX: look http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html |
| 18:31.32 | XATRIX | Ok, let's investigate this |
| 18:32.11 | XATRIX | The interesting fact, i've started my girlfriend's Ubuntu, and it automounted 2 partitions from my f**ed up mmc1 :))))))) |
| 18:32.19 | XATRIX | Windows is a junk |
| 18:32.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>One of the fun things about ISO9660 is that it doesn't have a boot sector in the usual x86 sense<< |
| 18:32.45 | Pali | Windows has none support for HW |
| 18:33.03 | XATRIX | Sounds if :) |
| 18:33.25 | XATRIX | wait a bit |
| 18:33.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | El Torito !!!! that's been the magic word |
| 18:33.36 | XATRIX | my boot partition on mmc1 is not iso 9660 |
| 18:33.40 | XATRIX | /dev/sdc5 on /media/xatrix/5308-0520 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks2) |
| 18:33.40 | XATRIX | /dev/sdc1 on /media/xatrix/sysrcd-3.7. type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks2) |
| 18:34.20 | Pali | of course, because iso9660 *cannot* be bootable partition |
| 18:34.51 | XATRIX | So, what's wrong with fat ? :( |
| 18:34.56 | Pali | there is no way how to boot from is9660 image |
| 18:35.03 | XATRIX | fat != iso9660 |
| 18:35.06 | Pali | fat partition can be bootable |
| 18:35.19 | XATRIX | i have both fat |
| 18:35.33 | Pali | install that your linux system on that fat partition |
| 18:35.43 | XATRIX | Yes, i have it |
| 18:35.58 | Pali | and then install syslinux to MBR (and told it to boot from second parition correct kernel/initfs) |
| 18:36.12 | Pali | thats all |
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| 18:36.19 | Pali | and mark second as bootable |
| 18:36.25 | XATRIX | Yes, currently my mmc1 is bootable |
| 18:36.50 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.50 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.50 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.50 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.07 | XATRIX | Ah, better to paste to pastebin |
| 18:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 18:37.23 | XATRIX | Yes, it's crappy partitioning, but i'm experimenting |
| 18:37.33 | XATRIX | I can boot from this mmc1 |
| 18:37.45 | XATRIX | But in windows, i can't run both patitions mounted |
| 18:37.54 | XATRIX | Only one is operating |
| 18:38.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, blame windows |
| 18:38.07 | XATRIX | I have to solve it somehow |
| 18:38.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afk, this is getting exhausting |
| 18:38.35 | XATRIX | ok, anyway thanks for the help |
| 18:39.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | read the very fine article Pali linked for you |
| 18:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | it tells you how to create a usbstick that can even boot on macintosh |
| 18:39.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it explains all the nasty tricks needed to establish that |
| 18:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | like: on a CD the first few sectors are bootloader code. On a HDD it's supposed to be the partition table |
| 18:41.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you either run your partition table as code, or you consider your bootloader code as partition table |
| 18:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither makes sense |
| 18:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what those guys do is vreate a partition with a MBR and a bootloader that loads the ISO image |
| 18:42.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui |
| 18:42.41 | XATRIX | Ok, gonna find the way out of this :) |
| 18:43.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I told you one way out of this: handle your USB stick like a normal HDD, install a system on it, incl bootloader, MBR and all |
| 18:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | you find the files for that system on the CD your burned from your ISO |
| 18:44.31 | XATRIX | ok |
| 18:44.40 | XATRIX | give me some time to handle it |
| 18:45.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you google for "create bootable usb memory stick from ISO9660" |
| 18:46.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you read that article that pali linked for you, i guess it will come up with instructions eventually |
| 18:47.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-598291.html >>How to "burn" an ISO to USB flash drive?<< |
| 18:48.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/45440/creating-a-bootable-linux-installation-usb-without-unetbootin |
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| 18:49.11 | XATRIX | wow wow.. keep it calm :) I can't make it so fast :) |
| 18:49.24 | XATRIX | I'm examining Pali's article |
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| 18:52.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | examine the last link I posted! |
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| 18:53.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | it sounds pretty much like the question got posted by you ;-D |
| 18:53.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you "astroboy"? |
| 18:53.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
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| 18:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas all this still doesn't solve your problem with making a second partition on USB stick available |
| 18:58.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, you could store stuff on the first partition that also holds the iso, I guess |
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| 18:59.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you follow my advice and simply install a linux system to first partition of your USB stick, preferrably one that's meant to be able to clone itself to another harddisk. Google for Knoppix for example |
| 19:01.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | (though meanwhile virtually all live-distros should have a clone-to-HDD feature |
| 19:01.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ) |
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| 19:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((you could store stuff on the first partition...)) actually you'd want to fix the actual size of the partition. (see http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html >>0800 indicates that it's using 2048-byte sectors. The 9090 is a lie to convince the firmware that it's not a zero-sized disk without representing dangerous code.<<) You *might* be lucky with *first* dd-ing your ISO to the raw USB device (mmc5) and *THEN* creating one huge vfat |
| 19:12.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | partition with fdisk, but *not* formating it with mkfs.vfat since that would ruin your ISO. If you're less lucky, your partition size is not a harmless opcode like "9090" and makes your PC to hang during boot. If you're however *extremely* lucky, you might even get away with creating two partitions - the forst one size of your ISO file plus a few MB for headroom, and then a second partition that you can mess around with all the way you |
| 19:12.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | like (mkfs, write to, whatnot). Windows should detect both partitions (unless you booted from first one maybe) and due to your extreme luck the MBR you wrote is still as harmless as the 9090 above |
| 19:12.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: ^^^ |
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| 19:13.06 | XATRIX | 's head is going to collapse |
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| 19:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | then - if I understand your original intentions correct - there's a completely different approach to your problem, and that's by tweaking the way maemo fremantle exports the uSD |
| 19:19.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you would either use mass storage mode to have normal access to normal files as usuall, or you would use a special command installdisk-export.sh that does exactly that: export only the ISO so arbitrary PC can boot from it |
| 19:20.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | *maybe* you could even export both concurrently |
| 19:21.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's not exactly a trivial hack |
| 19:22.40 | Win7Mac | DocScrutinizer05, you'd make a perfect Linux professor |
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| 19:36.05 | tissi | Hello |
| 19:36.14 | Win7Mac | Is there some kind of statistics about daily visitors, new registrations and whatnot on maemo.org and/or TMO? |
| 19:36.49 | tissi | So I followed this guide (http://wiki.maemo.org/Swap_on_microSD) to utilize microsd partition as swap memory |
| 19:37.08 | tissi | got it working fine, but after reboot the memory seems gone |
| 19:37.27 | tissi | conky says i just have 256 + 768 which is the normal ram / swap amount i think |
| 19:38.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | what else do you expect to find? |
| 19:39.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds pretty OKish to me |
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| 19:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | moving swap to uSD is not about any additional memory |
| 19:42.58 | tissi | From what i understood i didn't move the swap |
| 19:43.06 | tissi | i mean the eMMC swap is still in use |
| 19:43.32 | tissi | after initial success, conky told me i have 1,2 GB swap |
| 19:43.45 | tissi | seems odd that it doesn't report that amount anymore |
| 19:45.11 | Lava_Croft | cat /proc/swaps shows if you correctly moved swap |
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| 19:46.57 | tissi | yup it doesnt realize there's the microsd swap |
| 19:47.08 | tissi | only sees mmcblk0p3 |
| 19:47.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | and 1.2GB of swap are an idicator for sth gone wrong |
| 19:47.40 | Lava_Croft | yup |
| 19:47.58 | Lava_Croft | unless you want 1.2gb of swap:) |
| 19:48.05 | tissi | well thats what it initially showed |
| 19:48.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | check out http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap |
| 19:48.16 | tissi | nontheless its obvious that the microsd swap isn't working correctly |
| 19:48.25 | Lava_Croft | if you use flopswap, make sure swapset and ereswap are not installed |
| 19:48.33 | Lava_Croft | flopswap seems a nice, user-friendly solution |
| 19:48.42 | Lava_Croft | tissi: that depends |
| 19:48.47 | Lava_Croft | can you do swapon on the swap partition on SD |
| 19:48.56 | Lava_Croft | as root |
| 19:49.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /proc/swaps |
| 19:49.13 | Lava_Croft | that didnt show it |
| 19:50.00 | tissi | yeah now its there |
| 19:50.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | swapon /dev/mmcblk1p3 |
| 19:50.21 | tissi | priority is -1 on 0p3 and -2 on 1p2 |
| 19:50.27 | tissi | should i change both to 0 or something |
| 19:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 |
| 19:50.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you shouldn't use 2 swaps at all |
| 19:52.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | striping swap doesn't pan out on fremantle |
| 19:53.23 | tissi | odd |
| 19:53.26 | tissi | guide recommends that |
| 19:53.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the end you can't increase the *real* speed of swapping by adding more swap devices |
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| 19:54.53 | Win7Mac | wonders if there are some kind of statistics available about daily visitors, new registrations and whatnot on maemo.org and/or TMO? |
| 19:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | W****T****F?!! |
| 19:56.04 | Win7Mac | what, me? |
| 19:56.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 19:56.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jim |
| 19:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk |
| 19:56.22 | Win7Mac | oh no... |
| 19:56.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | >:-((( |
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| 19:59.44 | GeneralAntilles | Meeting today? |
| 20:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest GeneralAntilles as successor for Jim Jagielski on Bod. I ask Woody14619 to support this movement |
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| 20:04.00 | GeneralAntilles | I suggest suggestions |
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| 20:15.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | Woody14619: can you provide some background for the reasons of this new 'uncident' (or shall I call it fatality)? |
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| 20:15.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | incident even |
| 20:16.19 | lastaid | hey, i am having huge problems with my cssu n900 lately, cannot access gmail, sometimes sms dont get send as well as skype |
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| 20:18.11 | Woody14619 | Not a clue. Just fired off an e-mail asking him for info, but doubt I'll get a reply. |
| 20:20.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | Woody14619: please talk with GeneralAntilles (or whomever else of potential future BoD) about suceeding Jim |
| 20:21.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | we still have that 5 day issue |
| 20:21.50 | Win7Mac | Jim stepped down? |
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| 20:40.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 20:41.03 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 20:41.07 | GeneralAntilles | Well then |
| 20:41.27 | Win7Mac | OMG, just today... |
| 20:41.38 | Win7Mac | sure |
| 20:42.14 | Woody14619 | Under and hour ago, in fact. |
| 20:42.42 | Win7Mac | that sucks |
| 20:42.45 | n900-dk_ | How short a career can one have on Bod...wonder if it would improve my CV.. |
| 20:43.21 | Win7Mac | CV? |
| 20:44.13 | n900-dk_ | curriculum vitae |
| 20:44.39 | Win7Mac | ahh, thanks |
| 20:44.58 | n900-dk_ | yw :) |
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| 20:53.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: you're available for a stand-in? |
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| 20:55.46 | GeneralAntilles | Suppose so |
| 20:55.55 | GeneralAntilles | I'm running, right? |
| 20:56.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure |
| 20:56.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | so for all I can tell you need to proxy Jim for max 9 days |
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| 20:57.47 | Win7Mac | GA, and can you join the meeting tomorrow? |
| 20:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, 1400 UTC, right? |
| 20:58.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | might be correct |
| 20:58.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | 1000EDST |
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| 21:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, should be. |
| 21:03.07 | GeneralAntilles | Just gotta leverage myself out of bed on my day off. :D |
| 21:03.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe |
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| 21:59.00 | sixwheeledbeast | tissi: if you are still about ... "flopswap" and "I" recommend two swap spaces on uSD. However only one should be "active" at anyone time. Stripping swap (two active swap locations) is no use. |
| 22:02.51 | sixwheeledbeast | FlopSwap does all of this swapon swapoff for you. You only have to provide linux swap @ 0p3 1p2 and 1p3 and then use the GUI. |
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| 22:19.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: http://redd.it/1go1te "What do you own more than 5 of? Why?" |
| 22:19.20 | kerio | n900s? :D |
| 22:22.44 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure there are many categories I could check that box for. |
| 22:22.54 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo devices might count. |
| 22:29.34 | freemangordon | hi guys |
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| 22:34.33 | Win7Mac | how ya like me now?: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013#Gido_Griese_.28win7mac.29 |
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| 22:41.54 | Win7Mac | ^^ formatting seems very counter-intuitive :( |
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| 23:15.35 | sixwheeledbeast | <<(18:46:13) DocScrutinizer05: if you can't reproduce this, then I'd be highly interested to hear about it>> http://privatepaste.com/dd88063566 |
| 23:18.39 | sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: formatting of the hyperlink? |
| 23:20.14 | sixwheeledbeast | It's not ideal to have brackets or special chars in headings for this reason. |
| 23:20.15 | Win7Mac | something like <nowiki/><FONT color="blue">1) ''question?''</font> |
| 23:20.42 | Win7Mac | it pretends to be a WYSIWYG- editor, but it's not |
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| 23:21.37 | Win7Mac | not all options available from palette |
| 23:21.47 | sixwheeledbeast | wiki markup :) |
| 23:22.13 | Win7Mac | ... or editor-options, whatever tools there |
| 23:22.29 | Win7Mac | yeah markups... |
| 23:22.57 | Win7Mac | nobody knows naything about it |
| 23:23.29 | sixwheeledbeast | The <nowiki> is so the questions don't merge into the body of the question and so the color works. |
| 23:23.31 | Win7Mac | naything sounds funny, but I mean anything |
| 23:23.57 | Win7Mac | ^ took that from woodys post |
| 23:24.24 | Win7Mac | no idea that even existed |
| 23:25.44 | sixwheeledbeast | I am not too bad with it here's a quick guide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_markup |
| 23:27.48 | sixwheeledbeast | I probably wouldn't have bothered with the color and used indents and italics for ease. |
| 23:28.48 | Win7Mac | thanks, but honestly, it's 2013 and I'm not gonna memorize that wiki. There is an editor, it's just last century... |
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| 23:29.48 | Win7Mac | that's a wiki or a midgard thing? |
| 23:32.23 | Win7Mac | I mean the editor is a *^? |
| 23:32.55 | GeneralAntilles | MediaWiki |
| 23:33.20 | GeneralAntilles | MediaWiki markup is the most common wiki markup. . . . |
| 23:33.28 | sixwheeledbeast | it's media wiki but it's very old version, I am happy with markup you get used to it. |
| 23:34.19 | GeneralAntilles | I'll probably go in and clean up all of the formatting. |
| 23:35.05 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
| 23:36.53 | sixwheeledbeast | Your more than welcome to check the formatting/content on all 1273 articles, if your bored! :P |
| 23:36.56 | Win7Mac | Oh shit. We won't gain many maintainers with such outdated tools - that's just too much of a hassle. I'm still hoping for midagard one fine day might updateable to latest version. |
| 23:37.36 | Win7Mac | *might be |
| 23:38.41 | Win7Mac | ...without loosing all the data |
| 23:38.47 | sixwheeledbeast | Even the latest midgard isn't "easy" to understand, it's wiki anyway it's mostly user maintained. Bigger fish.... |
| 23:39.15 | Win7Mac | and auto-links and engines and whatnot |
| 23:40.18 | sixwheeledbeast | thinks about the fact he's babysitting autobuilder everytime a package hits the devel repos.... |
| 23:40.46 | Win7Mac | A better GUI might do wonders, but no clue what's the difference |
| 23:40.55 | Win7Mac | in versions. |
| 23:41.12 | sixwheeledbeast | midgard NFC. |
| 23:43.20 | sixwheeledbeast | It's all the things that integrate with midgard that also cause the PITA, in addition to nobody understanding midgard. |
| 23:44.21 | Win7Mac | kinda got that already from joerg. Probably need to look around here?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems |
| 23:45.54 | sixwheeledbeast | It would take months of man hours to rebuild maemo on another system. Anyway I am out, bedtime. TTFN. |
| 23:46.52 | Win7Mac | alright, good night. |
| 23:46.58 | robbiethe1st | I'd just take Hildon, finish porting it to Debian and go from there |
| 23:48.10 | GeneralAntilles | sixwheeledbeast, been there, done that. :) |
| 23:48.17 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it was fewer articles then. |
| 23:50.36 | sixwheeledbeast | I still try and clean up the wiki as I go along. Using Special pages to clear out the rubbish etc ... anyway, gn. o/ |
| 23:51.42 | Win7Mac | o/ |
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