| 00:00.18 | Win7Mac | is it samwatt valid? |
| 00:00.27 | GeneralAntilles | I'd call it valid. |
| 00:00.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need garage and tmo account name of all you guys, to verify your karma and account age |
| 00:00.34 | GeneralAntilles | Moderation queues are still timestamped. |
| 00:00.51 | GeneralAntilles | Guess no sjgadsby. |
| 00:01.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-( |
| 00:01.28 | GeneralAntilles | Still made 6, though. |
| 00:01.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hoorah! |
| 00:01.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | but jaffa \o/ and GA \o/ and jaffa \o/ and GA \o/ and jaffa \o/ and GA \o/ and jaffa \o/ and GA \o/ and jaffa \o/ and GA \o/ and jaffa \o/ and GA \o/ and jaffa \o/ and GA \o/ |
| 00:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 00:02.14 | Win7Mac | coooool! |
| 00:02.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | pending karma verification |
| 00:07.21 | rikanee | mmm, just saw the announce on TMO |
| 00:07.46 | Win7Mac | oh... c'mon... |
| 00:07.49 | rikanee | grats DocScrutinizer05 |
| 00:08.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 00:08.37 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: for getting into M/HFC, of course! |
| 00:08.42 | GeneralAntilles | :) |
| 00:09.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 00:09.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | been about time ;-D |
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| 00:11.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems we might actually have SIX (6) valid eligible candidates for BoD |
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| 00:23.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, fw190: account age and karma verified, Win7Mac: account age and karma verified |
| 00:24.39 | Win7Mac | GREAT |
| 00:24.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the other 4 we don't need to verify anything |
| 00:24.45 | GeneralAntilles | Gogo 5-man board. |
| 00:25.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...since they all already had positions that required sufficient karma |
| 00:26.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is an official statement |
| 00:26.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have 6 valid candidates |
| 00:27.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st, fw190, GeneralAntilles, jaffa, Win7Mac, Woody14619 |
| 00:29.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | now we need to make BIG NOISE about the vote |
| 00:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | so a few community members even notice |
| 00:30.33 | Win7Mac | oh... let me have a look ;) |
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| 00:31.01 | Win7Mac | in some minutes |
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| 00:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sqrt(9) |
| 00:35.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~9^0.5 |
| 00:35.47 | infobot | 9 |
| 00:35.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~9**0.5 |
| 00:35.54 | infobot | 3 |
| 00:37.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~341**0.5 + 8 * 232**0.5 |
| 00:37.20 | infobot | 140.318555006442 |
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| 01:06.33 | Win7Mac | DocS, noisy enough?http://i.imgur.com/Nw5HKVA.png |
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| 01:18.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | waaaay too small ;-) |
| 01:19.13 | Win7Mac | LOL |
| 01:19.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | but ok, i guess we can use it (though I hardly can read it with this transparent background) |
| 01:19.50 | Win7Mac | jeez, dl and look |
| 01:20.04 | Win7Mac | you wanted direct links |
| 01:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually the browser did download it and dispayed it |
| 01:21.15 | Win7Mac | ;) |
| 01:21.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | watching it in gwenview, same result, background gray checkered |
| 01:21.52 | Win7Mac | start gettin' on my nerves already...?! ;-) |
| 01:22.18 | Win7Mac | same same as nominations |
| 01:23.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | watching in showphotos: finegrained gray checkered with gray text on it |
| 01:23.54 | Win7Mac | chech win photoviewer ;) |
| 01:23.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | trying gimp(!=) |
| 01:23.59 | Win7Mac | *check |
| 01:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | same checkered background. I start to wonder if that's actually how it looks |
| 01:25.26 | Win7Mac | put a white BG in gimp then |
| 01:25.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, sorry. No time for that right now |
| 01:26.04 | Win7Mac | dude you serious? - same as nomin.banner... :? |
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| 01:29.47 | Win7Mac | extrabrightwhite: http://i.imgur.com/ustxPE8.png ;-) |
| 01:33.04 | GeneralAntilles | Good day, today, folks. |
| 01:33.10 | GeneralAntilles | celebrates himself, briefly. |
| 01:35.06 | Win7Mac | kind of feel the same. hope fully thursday 10 Eastern will be a good time. |
| 01:42.54 | Win7Mac | I'm somewhat suspicious that rob didn't nominate and adumbrates stepping down are alike |
| 01:43.11 | Win7Mac | s/are/or |
| 01:44.07 | GeneralAntilles | Guess we'll see. |
| 01:44.49 | Win7Mac | yeah, as always |
| 01:53.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | know what? I don't care what's written on this thing, and I don't care if I can read it or not. I will upload it and replace the current one with this new one |
| 01:54.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, the second one is nice, on this blank page of browser |
| 01:54.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I nevertheless will use first one, since I seem to recall the other one looked the same |
| 01:55.50 | Win7Mac | actually, i didn't read your msg at [03:19], all good |
| 01:56.34 | Win7Mac | yeah 1st one is great ;) |
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| 02:07.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | is it? I think it could be more... aggressive |
| 02:07.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | like 50% larger, and alarm red |
| 02:08.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or flashing!! |
| 02:09.43 | Win7Mac | need to ask someone like dave999 for flashing gifs or so |
| 02:11.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think this one might go unnoticed |
| 02:11.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's just too good style in style |
| 02:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | while those two "?" in their huge circles stare at me like a pair of evil eyes |
| 02:13.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | am I dreaming or did we have real pictures for "hot2 and "fresh", a few days ago for a short moment? |
| 02:14.14 | Win7Mac | will add "vote now" stamp for election period, need some sleep, good night. :happy to serve: |
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| 06:51.35 | sixwheeledbeast | Why do important thinks appear to happen when I am asleep :) |
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| 07:12.04 | joshue | Hello. I have a Nokia N900 phone. How do you turn it on? I've owned it for two years, and I still can't figure that out. If I hold the button for less than a couple of seconds, it shows a splashscreen |
| 07:12.17 | joshue | and doesn't boot. If I press it for more than a minute, it shows some strange images and still doesn't boot |
| 07:13.41 | joshue | I usually get it right on the third-fourth try, but I am still not sure what I have done exactly to achieve booting |
| 07:14.04 | joga | you should hold the powerbutton until the led lights up white and it vibrates once |
| 07:14.15 | joshue | Ah. Thanks. |
| 07:14.19 | joshue | That explains it. |
| 07:14.32 | joga | however, if the battery is empty and you have the charger plugged in, it may not work as you'd expect |
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| 07:15.23 | joshue | What happens then? |
| 07:17.57 | joga | if the battery doesn't have enough power it seems to stick to recharging state no matter if you press the power button or not, it just falls back somehow, I'm not familiar with the details of that, but if I've run out of battery I charge it for a few minutes, then unplug the charger, turn it on, enter pin etc and plug it back in after that |
| 07:18.25 | joshue | I see. Thank you very much :) |
| 07:18.28 | joga | if it can't get to security code / pin queries it needs more charging |
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| 07:24.29 | sixwheeledbeast | Another happy customer, eh? |
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| 07:27.41 | Lava_Croft | DT-33 can be a lifesaver for N900 users |
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| 07:31.15 | ShadowJK | plug in wait awhile, press powerbutton |
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| 07:34.38 | _rd | Can anybody tell how I get the > character with rescueOS? |
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| 08:27.06 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: yeah lets make some noiZe |
| 08:27.19 | sixwheeledbeast | Best TMO post I have seen in a while http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1352142&postcount=17 |
| 08:27.20 | fw190 | morning |
| 08:27.24 | sixwheeledbeast | morning |
| 08:27.45 | freemangordon | morning |
| 08:28.55 | chem|st | *yawn* |
| 08:29.20 | freemangordon | chem|st: now you're here... What do you plan for CSSU-T? |
| 08:29.26 | freemangordon | oops |
| 08:29.30 | freemangordon | CSSU-S that is |
| 08:29.49 | freemangordon | chem|st: I hope you;re aware if the issue with gmail |
| 08:30.08 | freemangordon | *yawn* too |
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| 08:31.35 | chem|st | freemangordon: wrong channel |
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| 11:08.31 | eddyb | so I grabbed the EMMC FIASCO image to flash, I extracted it with 0xFFFF, then I took a look at the resulting image, and it has a msdos header thingie (including 55 AA), but no partition table :( |
| 11:13.24 | kerio | for what? |
| 11:13.31 | kerio | rootfs, homefs or mydocs? |
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| 11:54.29 | Sicelo | btw, freemangordon.. the gmail fix can be installed on cssu-S? |
| 11:55.18 | Sicelo | has only recently noticed it (because he uses mutt most of the time) |
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| 12:13.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: see |
| 12:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 12:13.38 | infobot | i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 12:14.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: you wouldn't want to download and flash a 32GB physical device image |
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| 12:17.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: so the VANILLA is not an image but rather a job |
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| 12:24.12 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: nice post ;) |
| 12:24.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 12:27.35 | sixwheeledbeast | well until merlin kicks the builder box again I can sleep or better still get back to watching the GP QP. |
| 12:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | GP QP? |
| 12:28.36 | sixwheeledbeast | MotoGP Qualifying :) |
| 12:29.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah :-) |
| 12:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you by any chance got a link to unification tmo thread? |
| 12:31.32 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90461 |
| 12:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | nm found it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90461 |
| 12:31.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D thanks :-) |
| 12:31.51 | sixwheeledbeast | snap ... again |
| 12:32.19 | sixwheeledbeast | searched for "align" ;) |
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| 12:38.57 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: sorry, I was napping. so I read the .layout file, however I don't see enough info to get a complete EMMC out of the 250MB image |
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| 12:39.18 | Sicelo | :P |
| 12:40.36 | Sicelo | eddyb: the emmc is mostly yours anyway.. system takes up only asmall portion. |
| 12:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: what would be missing? fdisk and mkfs probably only need a few hundred bytes input to create arbitrary number of arbitrarily sized partitions on any device |
| 12:41.57 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: mapping between the 250MB file and the EMMC |
| 12:42.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | which btw is the reason why you need a semi-functional rootfs to flash eMMC |
| 12:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | what mapping? |
| 12:43.07 | eddyb | pffft |
| 12:43.22 | eddyb | there's a 250MB file and a .layout file |
| 12:44.04 | eddyb | the .layout may be used to create the empty partitions. but there's no info on how/what to copy from the 250MB and how/where to put it in the EMMC |
| 12:44.09 | eddyb | *250MB file |
| 12:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sfdisk <partitoninginfo.txt && makfs.vfat /dev/mmc1p0 && tar -x thearchive.tgz |
| 12:45.08 | eddyb | tgz? |
| 12:45.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, what else? |
| 12:45.49 | eddyb | there's a 250MB image mmc_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA that has a msdos header |
| 12:45.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has? omg |
| 12:46.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you sure that hader not been created by 0xffff to provide a proper file to loopmount? |
| 12:46.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | header even |
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| 12:46.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | this *is* *not* image |
| 12:46.59 | eddyb | 0xffff is a flasher, so I don't see why it would do that :S |
| 12:47.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 12:47.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0xffff is an interface to NOLO resp to a software in maemo rootfs to create and populate eMMC |
| 12:47.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I tried to explain to you above |
| 12:48.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOLO is a flasher |
| 12:48.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the way it actually writes stuff to NAND |
| 12:49.16 | eddyb | I mean it's a tool used to flash, I just told it to extract a FIASCO image... |
| 12:49.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0xffff and flasher-3.5 are just frontends talking to NOLO |
| 12:49.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 12:49.50 | eddyb | so it's supposed to be a .layout and a .tgz? |
| 12:49.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:50.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically |
| 12:50.36 | eddyb | is there anything in the vanilla homefs? |
| 12:50.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? |
| 12:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 12:51.14 | eddyb | someone else used that name. I mean the /home partition |
| 12:51.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I dunno for sure if they copy $HOME content from the vanilla or they use the template that's on rootfs anyway |
| 12:52.48 | eddyb | if there isn't, can I just create a new clean ext3 partition for /home over the bootmenu usb interface for emmc (without touching the partition table) and then flash combined? |
| 12:53.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's an option "reset to factory settings" OWTTE in settings menu, and it basically copies a template/skeletton from NAND rootfs to $HOME |
| 12:54.00 | eddyb | yeah, but my /home is corrupted. like, the entire partition. CSSU-T having a 2008 fsck didn't help :P |
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| 12:54.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 12:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what you're planning to do? |
| 12:54.59 | Sicelo | mount it on pc then, and use recent fsck? |
| 12:55.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | via flasher-3.5 you can't do anything special, you just can start the software tools on your rootfs that do the eMMC partitioning and populating for you |
| 12:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: that's a good alternative, when the system has a means to mount /home via USB |
| 12:56.39 | eddyb | bootmenu lets me access the raw emmc over USB |
| 12:56.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
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| 12:57.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | this way many users succeeded in running PC fsck against their /home |
| 12:57.55 | eddyb | I already dd the home partition and loop-mounted a copy of the copy (paranoid now) - some of the files are still there, some of the files are in lost+found |
| 12:58.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 12:58.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | SOL then |
| 12:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash |
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| 12:58.52 | eddyb | (not sure if it's my PC fsck that did that or the broken maemo one. I have to mount the original copy again as read-only to find out) |
| 12:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | then after restoring a working system incl /home, you can restore the existing files from your PC to N900 |
| 12:59.37 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: but I don't want to copy the 20GB of everything I have in MyDocs (potentially more than one time)... |
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| 13:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, you should reflash and then restore from your BM backup you for sure must have since you're on CSU aiui |
| 13:00.05 | eddyb | so I want to touch only the /home partition instead of flashing the entire vanilla |
| 13:00.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 13:00.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah |
| 13:00.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's rather tricky |
| 13:00.42 | eddyb | the only thing I can restore is the config files that didn't end up in lost+found |
| 13:01.04 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: if I had another N900, I would just flash vanilla on that and dd the entire partition from there |
| 13:01.30 | eddyb | I just need to know what happens to /home when I flash vanilla, and it's not tricky anymore |
| 13:01.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount the whole thing via USB, check partitioning if it's still OK, then mkfs.ext3 on USB-mounted /home partition and try "reset to factory" |
| 13:03.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | as mentioned above I'm not entirely sure what happens to /home on flashing VANILLA, my suspicion would be they copy the skeletton from /etc/$whatever over to /home and /home/user |
| 13:03.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the problem is you lost /home/opt so you need to flash COMBINED anyway |
| 13:03.42 | eddyb | I heard that happens when you first boot |
| 13:03.52 | eddyb | setting up /home and everything |
| 13:03.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | partially |
| 13:04.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite psiible |
| 13:04.08 | eddyb | https://github.com/radare/0xFFFF/blob/master/doc/mkii so I see how that goes |
| 13:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I heard every boot should recreate the needed structure in /home and /home/user/* when it got deleted |
| 13:05.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it won't pan out though |
| 13:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's absolutely clear is that optification creates /home/opt on first boot after flashing COMBINED aka rootfs |
| 13:06.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that doesn't help you either |
| 13:07.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | OTOH when /home got corrupted, odds are /home/user/MyDocs vfat partition got corrupted as well |
| 13:08.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you need to create a backup of whatever you still can get from your mass storage vfat partition, anyway |
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| 13:10.34 | eddyb | I wanted to say, I'll backup anything in MyDocs that I don't already have a copy of somewhere else |
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| 13:14.35 | eddyb | but I updated CSSU-T (I know, I know, I'm a dumbass for disregarding the "you should backup" message), it rebooted as usual. then a few hours later, when I was using maybe too much RAM and CPU, it restarted itself, and then the 2008 fsck came into action and decided (perhaps wrongfully) that a lot of the fs was corrupted, and ended up with a very large log mentioning almost all inodes in there |
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| 13:15.13 | eddyb | I had mounted MyDocs a few times on my laptop since then, I doubt it has any problems (yet) |
| 13:16.25 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: 0xffff isn't doing anything funny there: https://github.com/radare/0xFFFF/blob/master/src/fiasco.c#L490 |
| 13:16.37 | eddyb | apparently the .layout file is associated with the main image |
| 13:17.44 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: in the msdos header: Nokia N900 FAT32 ..¾w|¬"Àt.V´.»..Í.^ëð2äÍ.Í.ëþThis is not a boot disk. Remove, and press a key to reboot |
| 13:19.20 | eddyb | there's HTML in that image, lol |
| 13:20.30 | eddyb | ../User_Guide_Russian_index.html |
| 13:21.51 | eddyb | and I found a FAT table (redundant I know) gotta love 8.3 |
| 13:22.42 | kerio | eddyb: fsck is a bad mistake, yeah |
| 13:23.01 | kerio | ancient dosfsck on flash |
| 13:23.38 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: this image looks like it's only for MyDocs |
| 13:25.07 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: https://gist.github.com/eddyb/d0d212e37b64952c87d1 no_create makes me think the 250MB image contains the initial MyDocs FAT32 partition |
| 13:25.24 | Win7Mac | is open for improvements on the elections-banner, please share your ideas: http://i.imgur.com/Nw5HKVA.png |
| 13:25.59 | eddyb | Win7Mac: use less artifacts :P |
| 13:26.18 | eddyb | and antialiasing is your friend |
| 13:31.56 | eddyb | backup MyDocs, format the /home partition with ext3, flash combined. nothing can go wrong, right? |
| 13:32.08 | Win7Mac | eddyb, not sure what you mean, it doesn't render correct on your side? |
| 13:32.26 | sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: please update http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013 |
| 13:32.51 | Win7Mac | I will |
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| 13:49.30 | Lava_Croft | eddyb: the artifacts are courtesy of imgur compression |
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| 13:50.57 | eddyb | but it's a .png :/ |
| 13:51.06 | eddyb | it's not big enough for imgur to compress it |
| 13:52.00 | Lava_Croft | aw:< |
| 13:55.26 | eddyb | Win7Mac: images don |
| 13:55.38 | eddyb | argh |
| 13:59.03 | eddyb | take 2: |
| 13:59.33 | Win7Mac | I don't understand |
| 13:59.42 | eddyb | Win7Mac: images don't really "render", for what you think happens to happen, libpng would need to be quite broken |
| 14:00.07 | eddyb | the image you made has annoyances |
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| 14:10.13 | Win7Mac | what about this?: http://i.imgur.com/OKPpGeB.gif |
| 14:11.23 | eddyb | it has the exact same problems, now with added flashing |
| 14:11.30 | eddyb | flashing image. lol |
| 14:13.00 | eddyb | Win7Mac: Hildon Foundation is fuzzy, as if it was upscaled. seeks is fuzzy (excessive anti-aliasing or JPEG artifacts) and the straight lines used on the left are too crispy (no anti-aliasing) |
| 14:13.23 | eddyb | the overall layout is good, but I tend to be picky with the details |
| 14:14.46 | Win7Mac | can't find aliasing in Photoshop |
| 14:15.05 | Win7Mac | ...or anti-aliasing |
| 14:19.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: the flashing is awesome |
| 14:20.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey guys, how to specify output filename for curl? |
| 14:22.07 | jon_y | -o? |
| 14:22.46 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: ^^ |
| 14:23.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, thanks |
| 14:24.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq |
| 14:24.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | curl -LJO http://i.imgur.com/OKPpGeB.gif -o BoDelection_banner.png |
| 14:24.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | 100 8931 100 8931 0 0 72954 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 242k |
| 14:24.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | curl: Saved to filename 'OKPpGeB.gif' |
| 14:24.57 | jon_y | wtf |
| 14:25.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe the "O" should get nuked? |
| 14:25.06 | jon_y | maybe -o needs to be specified first? |
| 14:25.21 | jon_y | probabaly -O |
| 14:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | -O, --remote-name Write output to a file named as the remote file |
| 14:26.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* now it refuses since destination file exists |
| 14:27.07 | eddyb | why are you saving the .gif as a .png? |
| 14:27.14 | eddyb | recipe for fubar |
| 14:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | since I didn't notice |
| 14:29.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: where's the .png? |
| 14:29.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: thanks for noticing it |
| 14:30.20 | GeneralAntilles | N900 is still the only mobile device I've ever used that I felt comfortable editing wikis on. |
| 14:31.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 14:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait for phoeNIX |
| 14:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | phoeN-IX00 ? |
| 14:33.02 | Win7Mac | edited the FiFo-logo in the gif: http://i.imgur.com/8IFFDEm.gif |
| 14:33.17 | Win7Mac | *HiFo |
| 14:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I've been told I may not use gif |
| 14:33.34 | Win7Mac | then no animation |
| 14:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 14:33.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn |
| 14:34.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* I guess I have to edit raw HTML now |
| 14:35.48 | Win7Mac | at least I'm not aware of animation in other formats then gif |
| 14:36.38 | eddyb | APNG |
| 14:36.49 | eddyb | and maybe WebP |
| 14:37.15 | eddyb | it's just two frames, very easy to do with JS or CSS3 animations |
| 14:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems after editing href= in HTML to *.gif it works |
| 14:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org |
| 14:37.48 | Win7Mac | seen it, nice! |
| 14:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I need a shower - I touched raw HTML and even edited it |
| 14:39.26 | Win7Mac | LOL |
| 14:40.19 | Win7Mac | I can't seem to get animated png's out of Photoshop CS6 |
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| 14:40.34 | Win7Mac | no WebP either |
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| 14:43.55 | eddyb | n900/MyDocs.bkp> cp -a /var/run/media/eddy/Nokia\ N900/!(KDE|kde-install-temp|Dicto|Music) . |
| 14:44.18 | eddyb | that took a while, without the ~20GB used by .documents+Music |
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| 14:45.33 | Win7Mac | chem|st, can you place it in tmo?: http://i.imgur.com/8IFFDEm.gif |
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| 14:53.57 | eddyb | echo /var/run/media/eddy/Nokia\ N900/.!(documents) | grep documents # gives me nothing. also ld -d with the same argument also shows no .documents |
| 14:54.15 | eddyb | but if I run cp -a, it copies docu..... aaaah |
| 14:54.31 | eddyb | that pattern includes . and .., heh |
| 14:55.29 | eddyb | so I end up with cp -a /var/run/media/eddy/Nokia\ N900/.!(documents||.) . # lol |
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| 15:04.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | var/run/media/* ?? that kinda sounds odd. Which distro/desktop is doing such stuff? |
| 15:05.12 | eddyb | it was /media some time ago |
| 15:05.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | which sounds better to me |
| 15:05.34 | eddyb | I think it's a backend for kio in kde4 that decides which directory to use |
| 15:06.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | must be a (freedesktop.org||poettering)ism then |
| 15:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh kde4 / kio |
| 15:06.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 15:06.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | terrible stuff |
| 15:06.51 | eddyb | there's probably a setting for it somewhere, but I cba to change it |
| 15:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have to killall kio* every now and then |
| 15:07.02 | eddyb | uhm, why? |
| 15:07.15 | eddyb | why would you intentionally kill kio workers? |
| 15:07.29 | eddyb | it's like unloading kernel fs drivers :| |
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| 15:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g because pastebin applet freezes this k* process that's doing everything under KDE4 |
| 15:08.28 | eddyb | must be a broken pastebin applet |
| 15:08.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | also always several kio-http tend to linger on forever |
| 15:08.43 | eddyb | or too old of a kde4 version |
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| 15:09.01 | Win7Mac | updated http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013 . But I can't edit the References |
| 15:09.15 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: sounds like very large timeouts for http requests |
| 15:09.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, they are larger than usual, but not THAT large |
| 15:10.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | PLASMA |
| 15:10.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | been the word I refused to recall |
| 15:10.36 | eddyb | plasma-desktop |
| 15:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least I think it been |
| 15:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, dat shite |
| 15:11.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | luckily it doesn't freeze alt-tab |
| 15:11.14 | eddyb | alt+tab is handled by kwin4 |
| 15:11.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I still can access my always-open system monitor |
| 15:11.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | to kill all kio-file |
| 15:11.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that magically recovers the pastebin applet |
| 15:12.03 | eddyb | kio-file shouldn't ever cause a problem |
| 15:12.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and thus plasma |
| 15:12.47 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: plasma-desktop -v |
| 15:12.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't yeah, you're absolutely right it *should not* |
| 15:13.00 | eddyb | what versions does it show? |
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| 15:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Qt: 4.8.1 |
| 15:13.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | KDE Development Platform: 4.8.5 (4.8.5) "release 2" |
| 15:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Plasma Desktop Shell: 0.4 |
| 15:14.10 | eddyb | hmm, that's just two versions behind, never had problems back then |
| 15:14.15 | eddyb | where did you get the pastebin applet? |
| 15:14.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, from that friggin "menu" to pick applets? |
| 15:14.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | "add widgets" |
| 15:15.03 | eddyb | "KWin and Path to Wayland—Intial experimental support for Wayland was added to KWin. KWin also got many OpenGL improvements including support being added for creating an OpenGL 3.1 core context and robustness from using the new functionality provided by the GL_ARB_robustness extension." |
| 15:15.06 | eddyb | ^^cool |
| 15:15.11 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: ok, let me check it out |
| 15:15.47 | eddyb | nope, I don't have it |
| 15:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | it only occasionally locks up, particularly when pastebining screenshots from clipboard |
| 15:16.11 | eddyb | how can you pastebin a screenshot? |
| 15:16.25 | eddyb | I ctrl+v on imgur.com |
| 15:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, probably when far end refuses paste and doesn't answer in the way thispastebin thingie expects |
| 15:17.04 | eddyb | that was my first thought, bad logic in the applet |
| 15:17.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I take a screenshot with the screenshot tool, select "copy" and then "paste" in pastebin widget |
| 15:18.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | bad logic in kplasma to let a widget freeze the whole session |
| 15:18.43 | eddyb | it's not kplasma :P |
| 15:18.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's as nasty and braindamaged as in Hildon desktop, just that on maemo I understand *why* they implemented it that way |
| 15:19.27 | eddyb | does anything other than plasma (the other applets) freeze? |
| 15:19.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually plasma-desktop, yeah |
| 15:20.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I need to restart via alt-F2 when it segfaulted once more |
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| 15:20.31 | eddyb | what distro are you even on? |
| 15:20.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | openSuse |
| 15:20.52 | eddyb | and why don't you have 4.10? |
| 15:21.07 | eddyb | I'm also on suse and I can't find any pastebin applet |
| 15:21.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 15:21.31 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: sudo zypper se -s pastebin |
| 15:21.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | widget, not apllet |
| 15:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.47 | eddyb | last release is 12.3 btw. and I found the pastebin thing, damn translations |
| 15:24.31 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: in the settings for the pastebin thing, which servers does it use? |
| 15:25.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | privatepaste and wstaw.org |
| 15:25.47 | eddyb | does it hang for text, images or both? |
| 15:26.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually for images, but I think I have seen it hanging for text as well |
| 15:26.29 | eddyb | try change it to imgur for images |
| 15:26.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 15:26.45 | eddyb | (as a temporary fix) |
| 15:26.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I kinda hate imgur |
| 15:26.51 | eddyb | lol, why? |
| 15:27.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, wrong color maybe |
| 15:27.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | too many cookies? |
| 15:27.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 15:29.11 | eddyb | you should update anyway |
| 15:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I probably got better things to do than to update every 3 months |
| 15:29.44 | eddyb | (start yast, edit all repos urls to use 12.3 instead of 12.2, then run sudo zypper dup) |
| 15:29.57 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: 3? it's almost an year :P |
| 15:30.35 | eddyb | it takes like 5 minutes, then you just have to let it do its job |
| 15:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | too bad, then it's almost a year I feel pissed about kmail7akonadi crap now, and fsckd up update by downgrading to a supposedly pre-akonadi kdepim version which turned out still isn't akonadi free |
| 15:32.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | nuked my complete mail settings 3 times this year already |
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| 15:32.15 | eddyb | lol, you hate akonadi so much |
| 15:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it's such a stinking POS |
| 15:32.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | unbearable |
| 15:33.00 | eddyb | the worst that happened to me was shutting down in the middle of a distro upgrade, all I had to do is run sudo zypper dup from the console |
| 15:33.43 | Win7Mac | how can I edit the References here?: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013 |
| 15:33.47 | eddyb | "Akonadi provides unique desktop-wide object identification and retrieval.[4] It functions as an extensible data storage for all PIM applications. In KDE 3 each PIM application had different data storage and handling methods, which led to several implementations of essentially the same features. Besides data storage, Akonadi has several other components including search, and a library (cache) for easy access and notification of data changes." |
| 15:33.53 | eddyb | I don't see how you can downgrade from that :P |
| 15:34.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh and kio-pop3, kio-imap \o/ :-S |
| 15:34.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah F U kde4 |
| 15:35.09 | eddyb | what's wrong with anything you said :P? |
| 15:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | let me give you a simple example: every now and then my kmail froze at random on writing new mails |
| 15:36.02 | eddyb | first of all, the reason kio has workers is to prevent such things |
| 15:36.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | it turned out it been akonadi which in background tried to find the contacts or whatever to any mailaddr I wrote |
| 15:36.17 | eddyb | I can use kwrite while it's saving the file via sftp |
| 15:36.36 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: do you have nepomuk enabled? |
| 15:36.47 | eddyb | the search index thingie |
| 15:36.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it froze since the resource been gone, probably due to sth fekkering mysql |
| 15:37.55 | eddyb | oh, that's cool, it can index source code. then again, I have grep and I don't care about speed |
| 15:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I learned I only need to restart akonadi (once I found out how to actually DO that), but now I have a console that's basically infested since ever since akonadiserver restart that console sees lots of bogus random diagnostic output |
| 15:38.25 | eddyb | 2> /dev/null or something |
| 15:38.31 | eddyb | or use alt+f2 to do it |
| 15:38.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | dude, the command returned |
| 15:38.49 | eddyb | yeah |
| 15:39.03 | eddyb | stdio is inherited |
| 15:39.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | fuck akonadi |
| 15:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | when I have a mail client then I want my mail to get handled inside the client, not by some cruft in daemonized mode in background |
| 15:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | kmail1 been awesome |
| 15:40.36 | eddyb | akonadi just handles contacts, doesn't it? |
| 15:40.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | kmail2 is a PITA |
| 15:41.09 | eddyb | maybe you should just update, with all those weirdly specific problems |
| 15:42.33 | eddyb | the phone sure takes its sweet time to charge after that backup |
| 15:42.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it obviously also does extensive checking of text you write to editor of a new mail, it also does indexing of all avalable mails (which been a few 100k of them on my old system, which made akonadi/kmail works for THREE days on importing them into kmail2, only to fiish with ZILCH mails imported) |
| 15:43.11 | eddyb | nepomuk does mail indexing |
| 15:43.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh an akonadi frntend |
| 15:43.56 | eddyb | I generally have it disabled, I have too much crap around and I don't care about searching |
| 15:44.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | same here |
| 15:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *DO NOT WANT* akonadi, but you can't get rid of it |
| 15:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's like KDE4's fsckng glibc |
| 15:46.57 | eddyb | no, that would be Qt (and it's meta compiler, I guess) |
| 15:47.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I meant for the ubiquity |
| 15:47.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you simply can't get KDE4 without akonadi |
| 15:48.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | since everything is based or at least linked against it |
| 15:48.04 | eddyb | you can, but you can't use things like contacts without it |
| 15:48.25 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: if I disable the LED flashing during charging in maemo, does it apply when I charge without booting up? |
| 15:48.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | rrrright |
| 15:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 15:49.05 | eddyb | if I rm akonadi, these are going to be removed: akonadi kaddressbook kdepim4 kmail kontact korganizer |
| 15:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | "without booting up" means "booting to ACT_DEAD" aka initlevel_$dunnowhat |
| 15:49.47 | eddyb | lol |
| 15:50.00 | eddyb | I hate weird stuff like that |
| 15:50.08 | eddyb | and the whole 7 levels of bootloaders |
| 15:50.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | you basically can't avoid booting when charging |
| 15:50.32 | eddyb | it's okay, I'll wait for it to finish charging, again |
| 15:50.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: exactly |
| 15:50.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | (remove akonadi) |
| 15:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is what I did |
| 15:51.02 | eddyb | libakonadi4 does seem to be used by virtually everything, but I think it's just the client |
| 15:51.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I installed an older supposedly akonadi-free version of kdepim |
| 15:51.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | and since then of course no more updates |
| 15:52.08 | eddyb | I think you hate akonadi for related bugs |
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| 15:52.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, basicaly I hate it for the concept |
| 15:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | but also for using mysql |
| 15:52.58 | eddyb | so you prefer the code in akonadi to be duplicated in kaddressbook kmail kontact korganizer? |
| 15:53.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for bringing my system down on its knees |
| 15:53.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 15:53.43 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: you can use MySQL, SQLite or PostgreSQL |
| 15:54.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | in kde3 kpim1 those 4 apps were nicely integrated and had no need for friggin akonadi |
| 15:54.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it doesn't make a difference to me which friggin sql-db my mailer needs to run, I expect it to work without *any* such cruft |
| 15:55.20 | eddyb | then how do you want it to save contacts, mails, and whatnot? |
| 15:55.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | in vcards, like it's been done since ages? |
| 15:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and in maildirs, for the mails |
| 15:55.59 | eddyb | oh. I think akonadi automatically imports vcards and maildirs |
| 15:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsckoff akonadi, I don't need you |
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| 15:56.31 | eddyb | it's really just a convenience thing, for some reason it's broken for you :/ |
| 15:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | google for it, it's broken for 40% of this globe |
| 15:57.09 | eddyb | I couldn't find anything newer than kde4.5 |
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| 16:01.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | akonadi shit had its first chance end of last year, and 2nd chance in january (iirc), it made me lose all my mails 2 times, all my some60 filter rules, and kicked me out of business for days or even weeks, when I was absolutely depending on my mail archive to manage council and maemo.org infra migration |
| 16:02.17 | eddyb | how the heck did you manage that? |
| 16:02.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | no go get lost and die in a corner where nobody notices! |
| 16:02.44 | eddyb | I had this laptop up for ~36h, and mysqld (the one used by akonadi) has 38 seconds of runtime and only 20MB used |
| 16:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe you don't have a mail archive with 300+ k of mails |
| 16:03.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean mails, not bytes |
| 16:04.36 | eddyb | anyway... it charged. I think I'll use yast's fs tool to format the home partition |
| 16:04.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, this doesn't include the spam folder |
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| 16:10.29 | eddyb | I hope default format settings work for N900 |
| 16:11.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: I tried to import my maildir into kdepim/kmail2, it was stupid enough to spamcheck (I guess) each imported mail which prought it down to a rate of 2..8 mails/s import speed. Go figue how I felt watching this with the knowledge that there are 300,000 mails to go |
| 16:12.02 | eddyb | lol |
| 16:12.11 | eddyb | stop it, clean up, do it again with better settings |
| 16:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/pro/bro/ |
| 16:13.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | better settings? |
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| 16:14.03 | eddyb | you said you enabled spamcheck for emails not in your original spam box |
| 16:14.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I didn't enable anything |
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| 16:14.25 | eddyb | ah, it not I |
| 16:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's nothing you could en/dis-able during import |
| 16:14.47 | eddyb | there's no way mysql can be that slow |
| 16:15.27 | eddyb | the deed is done, time to flash combined |
| 16:15.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 16:24.53 | chem|st | Win7Mac: done |
| 16:25.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: \o/ |
| 16:25.39 | Win7Mac | Aw... great! |
| 16:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | where is it? tmo default theme right side? |
| 16:28.13 | Win7Mac | the voting site it leads to says "Starting 2013-06-20 23:59:59 UTC" - wrong, it's 2013-06-21 |
| 16:28.31 | Win7Mac | DocS, yep |
| 16:31.25 | Win7Mac | Woody14619, please correct the date on voting page |
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| 16:34.22 | eddyb | flashing, it's going smooth :D |
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| 16:36.49 | eddyb | booting into maemo |
| 16:37.04 | eddyb | IIRC it takes a while |
| 16:38.49 | eddyb | I forgot it vibrates on touch and it makes sounds :))) |
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| 16:40.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: hmm? |
| 16:40.24 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: thanks for the help :D |
| 16:40.46 | eddyb | it looks like my empty /home partition worked |
| 16:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 16:41.06 | sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: are you here? |
| 16:41.12 | Win7Mac | yeah |
| 16:41.12 | eddyb | I have all the default applets and crap |
| 16:41.44 | sixwheeledbeast | wiki question what do you want to do? |
| 16:41.57 | iDont | DocScrutinizer05, >>oooh, while bashing messybox: just occurs to me that messybox-power most likely will come with additional new conflicts to stuff that sane people already installed on their system from clean core utils. So including messybox-power will break update-ability of CSSU for all those who have stuff like find-utils or swapon or whatever installed in their system<< for this and some other reasons, busybox-power creates it's symlinks in |
| 16:41.57 | iDont | postinst. All created symlinks are written out to a file. Upon prerm, busybox-power iterates through this list, checks whether they're still symlinks. If they are _and_ still point to /bin/busybox, they will get cleaned up. |
| 16:42.06 | iDont | Just wanted to clear that up :) |
| 16:42.14 | iDont | also see: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=busybox-power;a=blob;f=debian/busybox-power.postinst;h=da84ce5739f60791e90aa3f354c7daae6f442b5a;hb=HEAD#l113 |
| 16:43.37 | Win7Mac | sixwheeledbeast, I can't edit References on http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013 |
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| 16:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | iDont: that doesn't help for busybox not installing, due to conflicts, when something other than busybox provides swapon or whatever, right? |
| 16:44.36 | sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: you can |
| 16:45.10 | sixwheeledbeast | you just need to be told how :) |
| 16:45.33 | Win7Mac | ah, I seem to get an idea... |
| 16:45.34 | iDont | DocScrutinizer05: well, since the symlinks are created in postinst, dpkg won't know they belong to busybox-power and will happily overwrite them when installing core utils |
| 16:45.45 | sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: this is a reference markup |
| 16:46.05 | Win7Mac | just realized it |
| 16:46.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr, so busybox-power doesn't 'PROVIDE' any of the extended capabilities it gets installed for? |
| 16:46.52 | sixwheeledbeast | so <ref>[http://link linkname]</ref> in the top part and it will automatically add the reference at the bottom. |
| 16:47.00 | sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac:^^^ |
| 16:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | iDont: and if it doesn't, then how does it work? |
| 16:47.30 | sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: I have just done Jaffa's link |
| 16:47.32 | Win7Mac | sixwheeledbeast, you finished editing, so I can put my ref? |
| 16:48.10 | sixwheeledbeast | yep, also need to find fw's. have you send yours to ML? |
| 16:48.10 | iDont | DocScrutinizer05, AFAICR it should work, but I could double check if you want? |
| 16:48.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | iDont: and when it actually *does* 'provide' then apt/dpkg should either remove the other already installed package that also provides same capability, or rather installation of busybox-power will fail due to conflicts |
| 16:50.06 | Win7Mac | sixwheeledbeast, yes. Please see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1352011#post1352011 |
| 16:50.29 | iDont | DocScrutinizer05: busybox-power explicitly doesn't 'provide' anything at all, as that would indeed break quite some stuff |
| 16:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | iDont: look, to install proper procps I already have to accept it breaks my system in a way that forbids further updates, since procps conflicts with normal busybox |
| 16:52.31 | iDont | busybox-power doesn't worsen anything at all, as it: 1) doesn't 'provide' anything, 2) only creates symlinks to missing utils, and 3) only cleans those up if they're still valid |
| 16:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: what's that stuff with wrong date of elections? |
| 16:53.05 | iDont | you can mix: installing core utils, remove core utils, install busybox-power, and remove busybox-power in any way possible |
| 16:53.23 | iDont | without breaking your system |
| 16:53.47 | iDont | (that is, if you haven't introduces any boot-time dependency on busybox-power yourself ofcourse :-) |
| 16:54.02 | Win7Mac | DocScrutinizer05: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_2013 |
| 16:54.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | that sounds nice |
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| 16:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: mhm |
| 16:55.06 | Win7Mac | all times 23:59 UTC |
| 16:55.24 | Win7Mac | banner says 22-28... |
| 16:56.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: that's all ok |
| 16:56.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>All deadlines are set at 23:59 UTC.<< |
| 16:56.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st decided to move some deadlines 1min into the future |
| 16:57.02 | Win7Mac | but voting page says Starting 2013-06-20 23:59:59 UTC: http://maemo.org/vote/ |
| 16:57.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | which makes 21.6. 23:59 -> 22.6. 00:00 |
| 16:57.40 | Win7Mac | I know |
| 16:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | sigh, then point me to the page that's incorrect, instead letting me check the correct pages, eh? |
| 16:58.18 | Win7Mac | I did: http://maemo.org/vote/ |
| 16:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, now |
| 17:00.24 | iDont | DocScrutinizer05: I know you don't like busybox-power and that's absolutely fine by me. As I've said to you before, I do my very best to make the package as safe as possible. Please do not hesitate to let me know of any concerns you might have about it. But until some valid problem arises, me reading some of your statements regarding busybox-power on IRC really disheartens me |
| 17:00.50 | iDont | Anyway, just wanted to get that off my chest. I got to go now, saturday :) |
| 17:00.59 | iDont | bye! |
| 17:01.15 | Win7Mac | DocScrutinizer05: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-06-15.log.html#t2013-06-15T19:28:13 |
| 17:02.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | c'mon do you think I gonna fix stuff on maemo.org while following some chanlog link you post here?? |
| 17:03.20 | Win7Mac | err, no. Sorry. |
| 17:03.58 | Win7Mac | I thought "the voting page" would be clear |
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| 17:05.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | iDont: (for the chanlog) I think your recent explanation makes me like busybox power a whole lot more. Sorry for any bad feeling my ranting might cause at your side, it's for sure not meant to discourage you or to cause bad feelings. I'm just concerned about Joe Average user and his maemo device. Seems B-P approaching a state where any concerns against including it to CSSU-T need a re-evaluation |
| 17:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: no, it's a pretty fuzzy term |
| 17:06.38 | Win7Mac | ok, then sorry again |
| 17:07.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have ~15 "voting pages2 open on my desktop right now |
| 17:09.58 | divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: german layout detected :) |
| 17:10.52 | divVerent | 18:52:31 iDont | busybox-power doesn't worsen anything at all, as it: 1) doesn't 'provide' anything, 2) only creates symlinks to missing utils, and 3) only cleans those up if they're still valid |
| 17:10.57 | divVerent | very small issue: |
| 17:11.01 | divVerent | 1. install busybox-power |
| 17:11.05 | divVerent | 2. install swapon |
| 17:11.08 | divVerent | 3. remove swapon |
| 17:11.17 | divVerent | where does /sbin/swapon point to? :) |
| 17:11.51 | divVerent | basically this means that even if CSSU included busybox-power, I'd be somewhat tending towards NOT depending on it for boot process |
| 17:12.03 | divVerent | (or always calling these extra tools like "busybox swapon ..."| |
| 17:12.05 | divVerent | ) |
| 17:17.30 | sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: fixed http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013 but IMO they should be linking to mailing list. |
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| 17:22.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: fixed "voting page" |
| 17:22.27 | Win7Mac | thanks sixwheeledbeast! thanks DocScrutinizer05! |
| 17:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | (soembody needs to add the other 5 candidates before 21st) |
| 17:23.45 | Win7Mac | i can't. 5? |
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| 17:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | woody already added himself |
| 17:34.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | when he created that vote |
| 17:34.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | err election? |
| 17:35.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/15/plasma-desktoptm3743.png |
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| 17:40.58 | Win7Mac | ah ok |
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| 20:10.40 | freemangordon | ~flashing |
| 20:10.41 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:10.41 | ron0062000 | is that the only way ? |
| 20:10.57 | freemangordon | ron0062000: no, but it is better IMO |
| 20:11.31 | ron0062000 | i wish i know how |
| 20:12.02 | freemangordon | ron0062000: the other option is to set the device clock to something like... Jauary 2011 |
| 20:12.16 | freemangordon | ron0062000: see wiki ^^^ |
| 20:14.44 | ron0062000 | Negri has new N900 |
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| 23:38.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm! http://negrielectronics.com/nokia-n900-media-tablet-unlocked-black-p-2709.html |
| 23:38.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels like evil honkong, but actually I dunno |
| 23:39.26 | nox- | up to 1GB App Memory haha |
| 23:39.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | packaging and accessories absolutely unclear, device condition absolutely unclear as well |
| 23:39.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: well, they often did that |
| 23:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | they had no idea what's swap |
| 23:40.08 | nox- | mh |
| 23:40.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might repartition and sell a few with "up to 10GB App Mem" |
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| 23:41.05 | nox- | hehe |
| 23:43.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1GHz ARM Cortex CPU, up to 10GB App Memory, 96GB Storage (max), USB printer and scanner support |
| 23:43.46 | nox- | :P |
| 23:44.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | video playback |
| 23:45.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | (HardDiskVideoRecorder) |
| 23:46.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway pondering if I should get a few more of my lovely N900 |
| 23:47.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually eventually Council might want to donate a N900 to Nikolaus of Goldelico/OpenPhoenux |
| 23:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | he wasn't too enthusiastic about "porting" GTA04 to N900 case |
| 23:48.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | but he said "If somebody wants to send me a device, I will have a look inside" |
| 23:48.25 | nox- | there are still some at amazon.de too... |
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| 23:52.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, those backups make for a scary load (blade-a), though CPU is at 28%/1200% |
| 23:52.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. one of 12 "CPUs" is at 28% |
| 23:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | still a load of 6 |
| 23:53.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is nothing for a 6core with hyperthreading |
| 23:53.12 | nox- | well backup is more disk bound than cpu bound right? |
| 23:53.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | right |
| 23:58.26 | GI_Jack | DocScrutinizer05, you can get empty n900 cases from ebay |
| 23:58.38 | GI_Jack | I have on, sitting in my garage at home, the primer is still drying |
