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| 00:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think khm has sufficient karma |
| 00:59.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1270698&postcount=59 http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=28751&d=1348332102 I can't spot maier, khm, or karmaflux |
| 01:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/profile/view/karmaflux/ gives karma:29 |
| 01:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | if somebody thinks we need to calculate current karma manually since it might result in >100 when we do, please contact woody about it, since he knows what's missing currently in karma calculation and can add those values manually |
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| 04:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess what - I couldn't keep myself from doing the 100bucks preorder |
| 04:13.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 04:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw the 40bucks is "SOLD OUT" |
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| 04:15.05 | mad_dev | preorder for what?? |
| 04:16.23 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: enjoy your Jolla shirt :D |
| 04:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah LOL |
| 04:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I probably have to wear it superman style since I never wear t-shirt only |
| 04:18.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe they can also produce a red jolla slip |
| 04:18.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | which I could wear over my jeans then |
| 04:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 04:22.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's still highly annoying that the only info about "the other half" is: it will automatically switch sw skins (could be done by binary optical 5 digit "barcode" similar to camdoor on N900), it's available on many colors, it will snap on, and _only_ if I understood that noisy audio voice correctly in that presentation it *could* contain a large flash storage too |
| 04:23.16 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: not to mention, there's some kind of master-slave interface on it, apparently |
| 04:24.06 | rikanee | said interface is the mystery soup of the day |
| 04:24.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you know, I already wonder if the limited edition maybe has your name engraved in backside of "other half", like Nokia 6210 "special edition" had for that tiny plastic thingy above the microphone, and if maybe due to the increased effort to produce those, the limited edition will ship *later* than normal jolla phones |
| 04:26.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: I watched that video where the guy swapped the back cover, frame by frame, to get an idea of the phone body backside where that "other half" snaps on and maybe spot some contacts or sth. They did a pretty good job to never really show that backside of phone, but the 2 frames where you might see something, it's all plain black, no contacts whatsoever visible |
| 04:28.43 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: yup, it's a total mystery how it works |
| 04:28.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, let's see - when *I* were to design that thing, what would I do? smal holes in plastic of phone backside, with goldplated testpoints behind, and pogopins on "the other half"? |
| 04:29.54 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: that's pretty much the only way to do it, unless they thought of something Revolutionary (tm) |
| 04:29.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | cheap but prone to break on awkward users |
| 04:31.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway for silly simple things like wireless (inductive) charging, you need a few beefy contacts that can cope with a few Amps |
| 04:32.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so no way you could use flimsy things like rubber bars as they are used to contact LCD to PCB |
| 04:35.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the mechanical contacts are only one aspect - way more interesting are the electrical specs. SPI? I2C? USB? ULPI? HSI? |
| 04:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | raw membus interface? |
| 04:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | USB for example would be rather unfortunate, since for instance the mentorgraphix musb-core in OMAP eats a 60mA only for being *enabled* |
| 04:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | membus you impossibly can get right regarding trace length signal propagation delays, particularly with such crap as contacts in between |
| 04:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflections/ringing and propagartion delay differences defeat the use of direct memory bus |
| 04:41.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I2C was a feasible alternative, but for sure not for large flash memory (or did the guy say "flash" - as for taking photos?) |
| 04:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | HSI (http://www.mipi.org/specifications/high-speed-synchronous-serial-interface-hsi) would be an alternative, but then Jolla wasn't even allowed to oublish the electrical specs of this one |
| 04:44.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/oub/pub/ |
| 04:51.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and to be honest I think 100EUR subscription to earn a 100EUR off the sales pricetag, plus a label "limited edition" and a cheesy t-shirt on top, that's not that outstanding a deal |
| 04:52.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then the "no obligation to purchase" ROTFL suuuure. I bet they happily keep my 100 bucks and say "no problem pal! you don't *have to* pay another 299.-. Let's smply forget about it" |
| 04:57.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway it seems to me jolla *massively* improved on their website design. It feels way less kinky that last time I looked at it |
| 04:57.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/that/than/. |
| 05:05.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | what I already hate about the sailfish UX is the focus / prominent place of "feeds" |
| 05:06.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | as litter/facecock/<watsever> centric as the whole jolla.com site |
| 05:06.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | what about people who hate all that social shit? |
| 05:08.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh sailfish has all the properties I hated in N9 from beginning |
| 05:09.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | or in short: I want my "desktop" back |
| 05:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | appstore my ass |
| 05:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even as one of 4(?) main views of the whole UX |
| 05:11.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | as if I'd waste 25% of my day surfing the appstore for new leete apps |
| 05:12.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's again eyecandy that is nice in the shop when testing the device, but gets annoying like hell after 3 months of daily usage |
| 05:18.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | optimized for a good first impression, neglecting true everyday usability / ergonomics |
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| 05:23.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo5 has 4 (CSSU: 9?) desktops for me that I can customize all the damn way I like, even placing a fullscreen feedreader widget on one of them, to mimic what sailfish does |
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| 05:38.41 | ShadowJK | uses 0 desktops |
| 05:39.14 | ShadowJK | 8 have 3 xterms and "screen" though :) |
| 05:41.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: I'm talking about phone |
| 05:42.02 | ShadowJK | N900, yes |
| 05:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm also rarely using the desktops |
| 05:42.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | only for accessing my contact shortcuts |
| 05:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | or to start xterm (via shortcut) |
| 05:42.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | or xchat |
| 05:43.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | or to look at weather widget |
| 05:43.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | or access any of my microB bookmarks that I got on desktop#4 |
| 05:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | or to start the "phone" - since I still failed to figure how to open the *dialer* via pressing the cam button |
| 05:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | which actually is one of my most severe annoyances with N900 |
| 05:46.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | no direct access the dialer (the one with digit keys, *, #) via hw button, no redial by simply pressing dialer hw button twice |
| 05:47.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | if only dialer wasn't closed crap |
| 05:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and contacts |
| 05:48.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and calendar |
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| 05:49.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually those apps being closed blobs defeated half of the purpose why I ever switched to a linux smartphone |
| 05:50.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | dialer is worse than the Nokia 6210, and I hoped for fixing the annoyances of 6210 in dialer of whatever FOSS smartphone I switched to from my 6210 |
| 05:51.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | but actually 6210 beats maemo dialer hands down |
| 05:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | usability wise |
| 05:55.48 | tx0h | is there a way to get the PUK of the SIM with n900? |
| 05:55.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 05:56.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't get PUK if the SIM |
| 05:56.14 | tx0h | sighs |
| 05:56.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | of* |
| 05:56.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | your SIM issuer can tell you PUK, even via telephone |
| 05:57.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | the PUK is "hardcoded" and can't be changed, and in turn you can't query it |
| 05:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 05:58.29 | tx0h | the 'phone' application on n900 is very slow and when it rings in the pocket you easily close the connection while touching the disconnect button. |
| 05:58.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | but unlike PIN (which might got changed by user) the PUK is known by your card provider |
| 05:59.32 | tx0h | is that what you annoys you too? |
| 05:59.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hardly ever have that problem, since the phone is locked (blank screen) as long as proximity sensor detects something near it |
| 06:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I carry my N900 in a holster/pouch |
| 06:00.37 | tx0h | but when it rings, don't you get the phone loaded? |
| 06:00.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | not in pocket |
| 06:01.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually not, since I never keep microB opened |
| 06:01.15 | tx0h | microB? |
| 06:01.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | web browser |
| 06:01.56 | tx0h | what are you doing when you get a call? |
| 06:02.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | accept or reject it ;-) |
| 06:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | or ignore it |
| 06:03.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and turn device face down to mute it, when I decide to ignore |
| 06:03.13 | tx0h | but you get the phone app loaded, right? with the accept and reject button |
| 06:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/etc/event.d# uptime |
| 06:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/etc/event.d# free |
| 06:03.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Mem: 245540 242932 2608 0 9824 88884 |
| 06:03.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | -/+ buffers/cache: 144224 101316 |
| 06:03.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Swap: 786424 113968 672456 |
| 06:03.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | still works absolutely normal |
| 06:03.54 | tx0h | 11 tage is schon schoen |
| 06:03.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | loaded? yes, I see it popping up |
| 06:04.58 | tx0h | right, and then, in 50% of all cases, i manage it to hit the reject button while getting the phone from my pocket :-( |
| 06:05.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | as metioned before, it's locked when I take it "out of the pocket" |
| 06:06.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and since holster, I grab it on the sides, not tapping the screen |
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| 06:06.41 | tx0h | yes, it's locked here too, but the phone 'popup' appears even if it is locked or not. |
| 06:06.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, the accept and reject buttons are design failures |
| 06:07.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | they both should be slider switches, not pushbuttons |
| 06:07.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't read me, the lock is from proximity sensor, not from me locking the device |
| 06:08.34 | tx0h | is it a special daemon which checks the proximity sensor? what do i need to install/configure |
| 06:08.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you ever pressed a button with your ear? No? see, that's because of proximity sensor locking the screen as soon as sth gets near the screen |
| 06:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's default on all maemo5 |
| 06:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course screen unblanks / unlocks as soon as you take the device out of its pocket |
| 06:09.39 | tx0h | sighs |
| 06:10.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you better don't grab it on back and front/screen |
| 06:10.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | but rather on the small side |
| 06:10.43 | tx0h | i usually try to. |
| 06:11.49 | kerio | you're just Holding It Wrong© |
| 06:11.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 06:12.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | moo kerio |
| 06:12.37 | tx0h | and there is only this standard phone application, right? |
| 06:12.59 | tx0h | i think it is also very slow. |
| 06:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I asked several times if some gtk hacker could patch the buttons of dialer, so to make them slider switches (like lockscreen) |
| 06:13.32 | tx0h | yepp, would be smart |
| 06:13.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | with some patching of the binary, plus LD_PRELOAD we *could* fix that for dialer |
| 06:14.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui |
| 06:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | tx0h: yes, there is only one dialer app, it's closed, and it's particularly slow on friggin auto-rotations. So nail it to portrait-always, in menu->orientation |
| 06:18.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | auto-rotate almost made me throw the N900 at the next wall |
| 06:18.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you *inevitably* hit reject instead accept button, and vice versa |
| 06:19.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least wen you don't hold your phone upfront your face, to accept a call. I usually hold it horizontally and look down on it |
| 06:21.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | tilt it a tiny bit to the left (not usual for right-handed persons) and it auto-rotates from portrait to landscape while you try to accept the call |
| 06:21.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ##@!!¶}\\}!!!#**!@@ |
| 06:24.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems I'm in a modd to rant today ;-P |
| 06:24.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | mood even |
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| 06:25.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/etc/event.d# mission-control --help |
| 06:25.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Aborted (core dumped) |
| 06:25.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 06:25.59 | kerio | oh lol |
| 06:26.42 | tx0h | hehe, yes. this orientation thing is really worth a try |
| 06:27.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf does mission-control? |
| 06:27.59 | tx0h | it's your direct line to the nsa :-) |
| 06:28.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know it can mess with rtcomm accounts |
| 06:28.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* I know that |
| 06:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | nsa or nasa? |
| 06:29.04 | tx0h | they just call it mission-control, but it's nsa :-) |
| 06:29.22 | tx0h | really, i'm clueless |
| 06:29.34 | kerio | mission-control --abort-launch |
| 06:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet you are, I'm more worried that *I* am too, after all those years |
| 06:30.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | fetches his O'Reilley "Maemo5 unleashed" |
| 06:30.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | waaaait... |
| 06:31.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki mission-control |
| 06:32.13 | kerio | ~useless |
| 06:32.13 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from kerio in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 06:32.28 | kerio | aww, i didn't mean it like that |
| 06:32.31 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 06:32.31 | infobot | kerio: thanks |
| 06:32.32 | freemangordon | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Mission_Control |
| 06:32.54 | kerio | oh cool, ~wiki also works on freemangordon |
| 06:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | TADAA http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Mission_Control |
| 06:33.12 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ~useless |
| 06:33.12 | freemangordon | no, it is our uncle ;) |
| 06:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohdamn, freemangordon beat me to it |
| 06:33.24 | freemangordon | as usually :P |
| 06:35.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | AHAA mc-tool --help serves me better |
| 06:36.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, boring IM crap |
| 06:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | now that at least explains why I had no clue about mission-control |
| 06:37.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I simply don't need it |
| 06:44.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw NSA has no spyware on maemo5. I can tell for sure since *I* spy on *them* X-P |
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| 07:10.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder who else coulr give pov.lt server a kick, since mgedmin seems not available |
| 07:11.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly ponders starting a little DoS attack to bring it down for a few minutes |
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| 07:20.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: tampere? you should find a lot of friends there |
| 07:20.52 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, yep! Who is there? |
| 07:21.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, half of the HARM folks? |
| 07:21.13 | qwazix | :nod: |
| 07:22.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | shall I grep the garage db for you? ;-) |
| 07:22.50 | qwazix | hehe :) |
| 07:24.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=15296680 was so lightning fast, I've not been the first one to query that |
| 07:24.43 | qwazix | probably, since I think there are going to be several maemo people over there |
| 07:24.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, the page got ready after 0.2s |
| 07:25.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | incredible |
| 07:25.22 | qwazix | 0.04here :) |
| 07:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 07:26.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I started to cheer about my 16MB DSL |
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| 07:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | goes getting fibre |
| 07:27.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | 200, meh 1000 |
| 07:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 07:27.23 | qwazix | nah, I don't think its internet connectivity, we are in the stone ages here. Just the fact that you had just fetched that page |
| 07:28.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, our server is a nice monster sometimes (when midgard doesn't suck) |
| 07:28.36 | qwazix | midgard always sucks! |
| 07:28.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | a guy wants to push another 32GB RAM onto us ;-) |
| 07:29.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also wait anxiously for the new switch |
| 07:29.35 | qwazix | Down speed: 25.32Mbps Up:9.21mbps, and I'm on the fastest thing a consumer can buy |
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| 07:29.46 | qwazix | :( |
| 07:30.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? where from you get THAT upstream BW? |
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| 07:30.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | down 12 up 1.2 |
| 07:30.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | err down 21 up 1.2 |
| 07:30.52 | qwazix | My "promised" BW is 50/10 |
| 07:30.56 | qwazix | vDSL |
| 07:31.37 | qwazix | but I rarely get more than 30 down |
| 07:31.49 | merlin1991 | hm down 31,5 up 1,9 |
| 07:31.52 | merlin1991 | must be the time |
| 07:32.03 | merlin1991 | up usually is nowhere near that value :D |
| 07:32.10 | rikanee | ugh. jelly. |
| 07:32.31 | rikanee | 1.6 Mb/s down 0.4 Mb/s up. |
| 07:32.49 | XATRIX | Can i make a bootable flash disk with my N900 ? Maybe using it's native removable-disk mode ? |
| 07:33.06 | XATRIX | Simply connect to USB, and load SystemRescueCd ? |
| 07:33.23 | XATRIX | Or, it's not gonna run like this ? |
| 07:33.45 | merlin1991 | well it exports the vfat over usb, but I fear it isn't fast enough with that and your motherboard probably decides that there is nothing to find before it's exported |
| 07:34.00 | rikanee | XATRIX: what you want is g_file_storage, as used in Backupmenu |
| 07:34.41 | XATRIX | wait a bit, why not vfat-over-usb ? |
| 07:35.02 | XATRIX | It uses the same USB2.0 as the standard flash-disk does |
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| 07:35.36 | rikanee | XATRIX: it puts VFAT on its own LUN |
| 07:36.04 | rikanee | there's no MBR to boot off of in that case |
| 07:36.08 | XATRIX | so, my MB BIOS won't gonna recognise it as a boot disk ? |
| 07:36.16 | XATRIX | Ah...crap |
| 07:36.18 | rikanee | yes. |
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| 07:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard somebody did exactly that: a linux install "disk" on N900 |
| 07:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | was it ShadowJK? javispedro? |
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| 07:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc in the computer hadaikum there been "floppies" that also had no MBR but computers booted from them |
| 07:54.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | now we got superfloppy format on flash |
| 07:54.57 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: needs floppy emulation in BIOS though |
| 07:55.39 | rikanee | most BIOSes do just IDE emulation for USB mass storage devices, if a Legacy OS is specified |
| 07:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, possible |
| 07:56.23 | rikanee | too bad AMI and co. stripped out that option though, it used to be everywhere on P4 boards |
| 07:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | so today's floppy drives (if you find any) are gloeified (S)ATA HDD? |
| 07:57.39 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: BTW, have you seen the new Mac Pro? |
| 07:57.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 07:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | except maybe on my LAN |
| 07:58.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 07:58.07 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: floppy support is dropped in pretty much all boards today, USB booting is the new hot thing |
| 07:58.27 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/ |
| 07:58.35 | rikanee | their assembly of the thing is mind-boggling |
| 07:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
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| 07:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | do I really want to know about it? |
| 07:59.09 | rikanee | ah, PXE. reminds me, gotta figure out a way to PXE boot wirelessly. |
| 07:59.42 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: they're marketing an almost unexpandable cylinder as their new workstation |
| 08:00.30 | rikanee | but, the interesting part is how it's so compact, and how it could actually become a thing in self-built PCs |
| 08:00.51 | rikanee | there's a giant central heatsink, and one turbine fan, which cools the CPU and GPU |
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| 08:03.08 | rikanee | IIRC, they use ribbon PCIe risers to get things into interesting places to save space |
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| 08:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | awesome |
| 08:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think last time I seen such weird stuff been in my Sony scoopman, which ahd a flexible PCB that got folded five times to fit into the case |
| 08:11.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never dared to disassemble that gem of engineering |
| 08:12.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | it still sits in my drawer unopened |
| 08:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and still plays those micro-dat-cassettes size of a mini-sd |
| 08:13.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NT_(cassette) |
| 08:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Minimedia.jpg |
| 08:15.08 | jaska | heh |
| 08:15.13 | jaska | i have a nt tape recorder |
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| 08:15.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey colleague |
| 08:15.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | nt-1 here |
| 08:15.43 | jaska | they threw junk out at work so i confiscated it |
| 08:16.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | the nt-2 been way too huge compared to NT-1 |
| 08:16.18 | jaska | even have the line-in adapter thingy |
| 08:16.21 | jaska | that goes into the battery bay |
| 08:16.37 | jaska | and some cassettes |
| 08:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, I lost that |
| 08:17.11 | jaska | yeah, i looked peculiar so i thought id grab it |
| 08:17.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a really nifty mechanism |
| 08:17.54 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: that's a /tiny/ cassette. I thought my MO disks were weird. |
| 08:18.31 | jaska | yea, i had never seen cassettes that small before |
| 08:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got one of the first available NT-1 in Germany |
| 08:20.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | it been a friggin epiphany |
| 08:20.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ond only 1600DM |
| 08:20.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 08:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | or was it 800? |
| 08:21.19 | jaska | noo idea |
| 08:21.22 | jaska | it looked expensive |
| 08:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the tale been that Sony paid 1600 for production, just to show off what they *can* do |
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| 08:21.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't recall |
| 08:22.18 | warfare | hm, my first Minidisc player was also really expensive. |
| 08:23.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey warfare! moinmoin! |
| 08:25.25 | warfare | hey DocScrutinizer05 :) |
| 08:28.44 | warfare | Where has all the cool engineering gone? ;) (Sony Walkman, MiniDisc, Risc Workstations) |
| 08:30.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120509_001.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120509_002.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120509_004.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120509_005.jpg |
| 08:30.33 | jaska | i only have 1 5-pack of the cassettes |
| 08:30.43 | jaska | 90min i think theyre all |
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| 08:34.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I carried that NT-1 and 6 of the 4-cas blisters packed into a cigarette package with me for ~5 years of my life |
| 08:34.30 | jaska | heh |
| 08:35.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | walkman was great, but take 24 of philips casettes with you all the time ;-P |
| 08:36.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | the NT-1 and 24 NTC and a headphone fitted into my jacket's pockets |
| 08:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it been awesome device for recording live acts |
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| 08:40.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: when will we see 1Gb/s on maemo.org? |
| 08:41.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: also do you support the idea of getting 2 pcs of those 4TB drives? |
| 08:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | as I already anticipated, Rob is ignoring my mails completely |
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| 08:42.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | so if we want those backup external thingies, we need a mail from you to Rob it seems |
| 08:42.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh... |
| 08:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: I got an announcement of a donation for 32GB RAM coming in |
| 08:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, 24 (we need to finance the 4th DIMM from other source) |
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| 08:44.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: could you evaluate which DIMMs we'd want to get, exactly? |
| 08:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd love to beef up the www VM RAM |
| 08:48.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders what been council's decision during meeting as of 2(?) weeks ago, regarding blade-c |
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| 08:53.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn! the http://www.supermicro.nl/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DRT-HF.cfm has only 4 DIMM sockets per CPU aiui |
| 09:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, so we need another E5 too |
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| 09:12.44 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: you can buy bigger DIMMs |
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| 09:12.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | <reinob> "I've fixed that (rounded up a bit, will take a day or two)." \o/ |
| 09:12.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 09:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: already pondered it |
| 09:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | and keep the 4 pcs 8GB for times when we want to populate a third blade |
| 09:14.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that would be almost 500bucks then |
| 09:14.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | just for the RAM |
| 09:15.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and when getting a E5 for blade-c, we almost have "too much" RAM then (yes Iknow, there's no such thing like "too much RAM" ;-D ) |
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| 09:25.08 | Lava_Croft | oh lovely, that new clock ui has a .deb now |
| 09:44.46 | Lava_Croft | i bet nobody here has the location of that status-menu battery plugin that also shows time left etc? |
| 09:44.54 | Lava_Croft | not talking about advanced-power orso |
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| 09:52.44 | Pali | Lava_Croft: what is with new battery status menu plugin? |
| 09:54.16 | Lava_Croft | I had this (i think) replacement for status-area-applet-battery that also showed percentage, time left etc |
| 09:54.36 | Lava_Croft | from some dark corner of TMO, but i cant for the life of me find it again :< |
| 09:55.06 | freemangordon | Pali: e2fsprogs from wheezy, sounds good? |
| 09:55.55 | Pali | Lava_Croft: in cssu devel is last version of this status area battery which show more info |
| 09:56.17 | Pali | freemangordon: I have git repo of e2fsprogs |
| 09:56.22 | Pali | I will try to compile it |
| 09:56.23 | Lava_Croft | apparently not present in cssu-thumb? |
| 09:56.46 | freemangordon | Pali: packaging step fails :( |
| 09:57.18 | Pali | will look at it |
| 09:57.37 | freemangordon | Pali: though I am trying it in THUMB target, might work n ARMEL |
| 09:57.51 | Pali | Lava_Croft: about cssu-thumb ask freemangordon |
| 09:58.06 | freemangordon | Pali: BTW we should be very careful how we compile it |
| 09:58.31 | freemangordon | test -z "`find /home/maemo/workspace/cssu/e2fsprogs-1.42.5/debian/tmp -type f`" |
| 09:58.32 | freemangordon | make: *** [install-std] Error 1 |
| 09:58.46 | freemangordon | WTF? |
| 09:59.17 | Lava_Croft | nice, thanks Pali! |
| 09:59.38 | Lava_Croft | Pali: the non-thumb runs fine, but I guess it wont hurt if freemangordon looks at it |
| 10:00.02 | Lava_Croft | but atm i'll let him wtf at his computer |
| 10:00.04 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 10:12.46 | divVerent | Lava_Croft: BTW: I recently had to reflash during HAM screwing up a CSSU-thumb upgrade... no more CSSU-thumb for me then |
| 10:13.03 | divVerent | even though fault was at HAM (it did not ask for a modified config file, but just put the new version next to it) |
| 10:13.05 | Pali | freemangordon: I know where is problem, rather move to #maemo-ssu |
| 10:13.15 | divVerent | normally dpkg asks on terminal such things... HAM skips these questions :( |
| 10:13.57 | divVerent | issue basically was that I had once changed rcS-late, restored it to original version later, but dpkg still thought it was modified (mtime probably) |
| 10:14.05 | divVerent | and put the new version next to it with .dpkg-new suffix |
| 10:14.23 | divVerent | on Debain, dpkg then asks the user for which version to use, show diff, etc. - but HAM did not |
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| 10:15.04 | divVerent | also, even more funny - /etc/event.d contained more .dpkg-new files, where I didn't even touch the original files. So more HAM screwup... |
| 10:15.24 | divVerent | noticed this only later after the reflash in a backup i made before, though |
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| 10:17.33 | divVerent | so for now I will stay on a CSSU flavor with less frequent HAM updates... until I know how to work around this |
| 10:17.52 | divVerent | if only HAM didn't auto reboot after a big upgrade was installed, I could just check manually for .dpkg-* files before reboot... |
| 10:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, you also have those event.d/*.dpkg-new cruft? |
| 10:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | same here |
| 10:31.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | nasty |
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| 10:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | but mine are definitely "old" since last update I ran been T7.1 |
| 10:32.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
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| 10:39.04 | Lava_Croft | divVerent: >_< |
| 10:39.13 | Lava_Croft | i reflashed yesterday, no troubles |
| 10:39.33 | Lava_Croft | but yeah, welcome to the world where shit breaks :< |
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| 10:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-10 22:02:32] <DocScrutinizer05> hmm I wonder if files like ke-recv.dpkg-new and icd2.dpkg-new in /etc/event.d do any good |
| 10:45.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-10 22:06:54] <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/efeb0ad74f |
| 10:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-10 22:11:57] <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/a46c5d990c |
| 10:45.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-10 22:12:41] <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/910207db60 |
| 10:45.30 | Pali | CSSU never touched icd2 |
| 10:49.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, nfc |
| 10:55.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | would any of you remember the file or keyname of that drag-threshold in hildon/sapwood/whatever (pixels to move touchpoint before it gets noticed as drag action)? |
| 10:55.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | we discussed that several months ago |
| 10:56.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | some gtk-config iirc |
| 10:57.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | the thingie with the tap-and-hold menus closing as soon as you remove the tap |
| 11:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohyeah, and it also needed some command to get "compiled", after any changes, iirc |
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| 11:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ^^^ |
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| 11:35.17 | n900-dk_ | anyone with a working Waze app on n900? |
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| 12:01.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | gtk-dnd-drag-threshold |
| 12:01.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | but which file |
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| 12:03.17 | vi__ | dnd?? |
| 12:03.23 | vi__ | !6d6 |
| 12:03.30 | vi__ | ~5d6 |
| 12:03.37 | vi__ | ~1d6 |
| 12:03.37 | infobot | You roll a 5 |
| 12:03.41 | vi__ | yeah! |
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| 12:43.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | <Jim Jagielski> "Thursday: 10am-1pm (3 hours??!) Eastern." (next week) |
| 12:43.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dice 3d8 |
| 12:44.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal 1d6 |
| 12:44.11 | infobot | "1d6" is "<reply>You roll a (1|2|3|4|5|6)" |
| 12:44.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal 2d6 |
| 12:44.37 | infobot | "2d6" is "<reply>You roll a (2|3|3|4|4|4|5|5|5|5|6|6|6|6|6|7|7|7|7|7|7|8|8|8|8|8|9|9|9|9|10|10|10|11|11|12)" |
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| 13:00.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | sed -iBACKUP "s/gtk-dnd-drag-threshold = [0-9]*/gtk-dnd-drag-threshold = 100/" \ |
| 13:00.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | /opt/usr/share/themes/*/gtk-2.0/gtkrc && /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache |
| 13:05.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn messybox! |
| 13:06.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | sed -i "s/gtk-dnd-drag-threshold = [0-9]*/gtk-dnd-drag-threshold = 100/" /opt/usr/share/themes/*/gtk-2.0/gtkrc && /usr/bin/hildon-theme-recache-all |
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| 13:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | change drag&drop "distance" needed to detect a dnd from a tap (original value: 30?) |
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| 13:13.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | added to ~jrtools as well |
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| 13:23.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hard to believe but it seems our HiFo BoD agreed on Thu 2013-06-20 10am-1pm EDT for a meeting |
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| 13:28.23 | Lava_Croft | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06/exclusive-an-early-look-at-intels-own-phone-ui-obsidian/ |
| 13:28.48 | Lava_Croft | Mobile devices is like the Linux desktop all over again, with all those different DE's |
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| 13:40.52 | Lava_Croft | one thing is annoying about having a 64gb external sd card in your n900 |
| 13:41.02 | Lava_Croft | when copying over pictures via rsync, you realize its 12gb of pictures |
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| 14:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05: link? |
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| 15:19.56 | tiss | Hello agai |
| 15:19.58 | tiss | n |
| 15:21.41 | Sc0rpius | hmm |
| 15:21.53 | Sc0rpius | I uploaded a package to the builder the other day like 2 days ago |
| 15:21.58 | Sc0rpius | it build successfully |
| 15:21.58 | tiss | So, I just installed the power kernel too, working nice |
| 15:22.05 | Sc0rpius | but still hasn't been imported to devel/extras |
| 15:22.24 | tiss | But am I correct that it is not possible to install / enable usb host mode with power kernel installed? |
| 15:23.34 | Sc0rpius | I thought the only way to enable USB host mode was with power kernel? |
| 15:23.40 | tiss | oh |
| 15:23.43 | tiss | alright, weird |
| 15:23.58 | tiss | i'm getting mixed signals but i'll just try it out and cry later when it doesn't work |
| 15:24.19 | Sc0rpius | well USB host mode is not supported by hardware in the N900 but there are some workarounds |
| 15:24.35 | Sc0rpius | one called "hostmode" |
| 15:24.49 | tiss | well, i'll just install that thebn |
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| 15:27.20 | Sc0rpius | I guess you should read: te toqué corneta las dos |
| 15:27.21 | Sc0rpius | err |
| 15:27.40 | Sc0rpius | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 |
| 15:30.31 | sixwheeledbeast | Sc0rpius: this is a known issue with builder, they are not being imported into the repo. |
| 15:31.29 | Sc0rpius | yeah but it was fine last week :( |
| 15:31.35 | sixwheeledbeast | tiss:~h-e-n |
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| 15:31.42 | sixwheeledbeast | #hen |
| 15:31.45 | sixwheeledbeast | ~hen |
| 15:31.45 | infobot | hen is, like, hostmode-easy-now, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232, or see ~hostmode |
| 15:31.52 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
| 15:31.58 | kerio | ~chicken |
| 15:31.58 | infobot | chicken is probably http://kellari.org/other/linux/wanted.jpg , or free-food for all!, or a language, or (Gallus gallus) is a type of domesticated bird which is often raised as a type of poultry. It is believed to be descended from the wild Asian Red Junglefowl. |
| 15:32.13 | sixwheeledbeast | ~pig |
| 15:32.14 | infobot | *oink* *oink* *oink* |
| 15:33.00 | sixwheeledbeast | Sc0rpius: I think the first reported issue was the 6th |
| 15:33.24 | sixwheeledbeast | it's been like this since for all packages |
| 15:33.48 | tiss | well, okay now |
| 15:33.53 | tiss | i installed the H-E-N |
| 15:34.20 | tiss | connected logitech rumblepad 2, chose "low speed hostmode", put vbus boost on. clicked enumerate and mount |
| 15:34.36 | tiss | controller seems to get power now, power light is on |
| 15:34.46 | tiss | now, how do i utilize the controller? |
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| 15:36.53 | tiss | i mean, how do i make the controller responsive? |
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| 15:39.24 | Sc0rpius | now you have to write a driver for it in C |
| 15:39.34 | tiss | mein gott |
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| 15:43.06 | Lava_Croft | chuckles |
| 15:43.19 | Lava_Croft | Gott left the Maemo community long ago |
| 15:43.34 | Sc0rpius | true |
| 15:44.08 | tiss | so, there is no other way? |
| 15:44.25 | tiss | i mean there's a few usb videos with people using their own usb gamepads |
| 15:44.38 | tiss | did they have to program the drivers themselves? |
| 15:44.40 | Sc0rpius | heh dunno, I have never tried using a gamepad with the N900 |
| 15:44.55 | Sc0rpius | but I guess you need a game that supports it or something |
| 15:45.29 | Lava_Croft | you can always try this: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rCV2xo-1goU/TuUWKNddYDI/AAAAAAAAAbM/32p5AKXRAHY/s1600/gamepad.jpg |
| 15:45.49 | tiss | looks pretty sweet, but i already have a gamepad |
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| 15:46.29 | tiss | also i have decided to put my AVR days behind |
| 15:47.55 | fw190 | Hello! I'm close to do a full reflash with roots and vanilla as microb makes problem. Couls someone test for ma if www.gsmmaniak.pl loads properly? Maybe it is this site that hangs the browser? |
| 15:48.28 | Lava_Croft | loads fine here |
| 15:48.32 | Lava_Croft | its on your end |
| 15:49.02 | Lava_Croft | and i dont think its related to a (properly executed) reflash |
| 15:49.16 | Lava_Croft | oh wait, i misread:D |
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| 15:50.35 | Lava_Croft | hm fw190 |
| 15:50.41 | Lava_Croft | what exactly happens on your end? |
| 15:51.07 | fw190 | well, a weak ago while testing T8 I did a reflash bot left the vanilla intouched |
| 15:51.15 | fw190 | now when I try to visit this site |
| 15:51.25 | fw190 | it loads for ages on my wifi |
| 15:51.43 | fw190 | and when I try to hit a post it can even do a faal error and close the browser |
| 15:51.46 | fw190 | stock kernel |
| 15:51.50 | fw190 | T8.1 |
| 15:51.59 | Lava_Croft | weird |
| 15:52.18 | JohnathonDoe | Loading just fine for me |
| 15:52.31 | Lava_Croft | JohnathonDoe: let it load, it should take quite a while |
| 15:52.37 | Lava_Croft | when i tried to close microb, i had to forcibly close it |
| 15:52.42 | Lava_Croft | since it kind of hung on this page |
| 15:52.56 | JohnathonDoe | Yeah .. it's still .. loading |
| 15:53.00 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 15:53.04 | Lava_Croft | try to close microb |
| 15:53.10 | Lava_Croft | it will tell you webpage not respondig |
| 15:53.17 | Lava_Croft | responding* |
| 15:53.24 | fw190 | uhhhh now this would mean that there is something with that page on microb and not with my N900 uffffffff |
| 15:53.25 | JohnathonDoe | Yeah it's hung up. Killed it. |
| 15:53.33 | Lava_Croft | fw190: yes |
| 15:53.40 | Lava_Croft | fw190: try opera mobile? |
| 15:53.42 | JohnathonDoe | fw190: Don't tell me you flashed it just because of that rofl |
| 15:53.44 | Lava_Croft | or qmlmoz |
| 15:53.49 | fw190 | thank you very much for helping with this problem |
| 15:54.00 | Lava_Croft | no problem, try operamobile |
| 15:54.10 | Lava_Croft | microb is aging quite a bit:< |
| 15:54.29 | JohnathonDoe | I wish for the day when something like the N900 comes up again |
| 15:54.39 | Lava_Croft | jolla maybe |
| 15:54.43 | fw190 | JohnathonDoe: I didn't but was close as I couldnt find why - it's jsut s wordpress blog so I didn't know whay should it hang microb |
| 15:55.01 | JohnathonDoe | fw190: Probably the ton of embeds on it |
| 15:55.42 | fw190 | why pople can not put siple adds without tacking s!hit |
| 15:55.49 | Lava_Croft | it has a woman in swimsuit holding a mobile phone |
| 15:55.59 | Lava_Croft | i get nightmares of women in swimsuits showing off drills and what not |
| 15:56.08 | Lava_Croft | or computer hardware |
| 15:56.09 | fw190 | yah - they tend to gather the audience with such shots |
| 15:56.24 | Lava_Croft | its sad that this still hasnt changed |
| 15:58.41 | fw190 | sometimes I wonder why I visit this site when they still write about android this android that and so on |
| 16:00.01 | kerio | Lava_Croft: boobs sell |
| 16:00.07 | Lava_Croft | well, Android has won the mobile war for now |
| 16:00.10 | Lava_Croft | so they have to write about it |
| 16:00.15 | JohnathonDoe | I've been using an android tablet for two weeks now .. got it from work for testing something. I mean it's alright, but why the hell does it have to be all in java o_o |
| 16:00.25 | Lava_Croft | i have a nexus7 |
| 16:00.32 | Lava_Croft | apart from that OS its a fine tablet |
| 16:00.38 | JohnathonDoe | Lol |
| 16:00.38 | kerio | tiss: just look for instructions on how to use your gamepad on linux |
| 16:00.52 | Lava_Croft | JohnathonDoe: Android is just so heavy |
| 16:00.54 | kerio | it might Just Work™ if some things support it |
| 16:01.07 | Lava_Croft | if you see how it performs on quad-core cpu and then i compare to maemo on my n900 |
| 16:01.13 | Lava_Croft | and i wonder where everything went horribly wrong |
| 16:02.01 | JohnathonDoe | And I don't get why they need a god damn JIT compiling everything to C bytecode to execute it |
| 16:02.09 | JohnathonDoe | I mean where the hell are decisions like this made? |
| 16:02.27 | Lava_Croft | android always makes me feel like im using windows |
| 16:02.40 | Lava_Croft | and i dont understand why half of the time my device is very busy with err |
| 16:02.43 | Lava_Croft | 'magic' |
| 16:02.45 | JohnathonDoe | I mean I despised Apple products for being stupidly priced and everything, but when you look at all the restrictions apple puts in that are usually a headache for the developer, they just end up being a more refined and polished product for the user. I am not saying I love apple all of a sudden now, but this horrid experience with android has made me pay attention to apple products. |
| 16:03.07 | Lava_Croft | Apple is fine if all you want to do with your device is like 3 things |
| 16:03.14 | Lava_Croft | it does those 3 things very, very well |
| 16:03.17 | Lava_Croft | but not much more:< |
| 16:03.35 | JohnathonDoe | Hah exactly what I mean, but if you are capable of doing anything more, it will try it's hardest to be a god damned pain in the arse |
| 16:03.35 | Lava_Croft | i love my wife's iphone for its awesome games:) |
| 16:04.00 | JohnathonDoe | You can't reduce the damned font size on an iphone o_o |
| 16:04.17 | Lava_Croft | why would you have to? |
| 16:04.20 | Lava_Croft | its PERFECT |
| 16:04.24 | JohnathonDoe | ROFL |
| 16:04.28 | Lava_Croft | and if you think its not perfect, you need to get some taste |
| 16:04.34 | Lava_Croft | or look at it differently |
| 16:04.45 | JohnathonDoe | I checked out a iPhone 4 a friend has, and that fuck huge font on a 3.5 inch screen, and you get like 5 lines of menu options without scrolling |
| 16:05.02 | Lava_Croft | its a design thats a lot like the old nokias |
| 16:05.07 | Lava_Croft | makes it easy to see et |
| 16:05.08 | Lava_Croft | c |
| 16:05.08 | JohnathonDoe | LOL |
| 16:05.09 | tiss | well, i (apt-get) installed "joystick" and " xserver-xorg-input-joystick" |
| 16:05.39 | kerio | tiss: what are you planning to play? |
| 16:06.08 | tiss | well, i was just going to try out the gamepad |
| 16:06.21 | tiss | i don't have any games but i'm trying to configure the keys on drnoksnes |
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| 16:06.38 | kerio | tiss: try mame with a lightweight game |
| 16:06.49 | Lava_Croft | SNES emulation on n900 is not as great as Nokia made me believe |
| 16:06.59 | kerio | i doubt nokia had anything to do with it |
| 16:07.04 | Lava_Croft | they did |
| 16:07.12 | Lava_Croft | they released a video of n900 running super mario world |
| 16:07.16 | Lava_Croft | and pissed off nintendo |
| 16:07.32 | kerio | and yeah, SNES emulators are either shit or too heavy for the n900 |
| 16:07.49 | Lava_Croft | they are shit, since technically it should run fine on n900 |
| 16:08.00 | kerio | not really |
| 16:08.04 | kerio | not without massive hacks for speed |
| 16:08.21 | Lava_Croft | SNES emulation ran fine on my 200mhz MMX cpu |
| 16:08.27 | Lava_Croft | which is a tad slower than the n900:) |
| 16:08.29 | kerio | it really didn't |
| 16:08.32 | Lava_Croft | it really did |
| 16:08.36 | Lava_Croft | i think you mistaken |
| 16:08.38 | kerio | it maybe seemed to run super mario world and link to the past well |
| 16:08.42 | Lava_Croft | mario kart |
| 16:08.45 | Lava_Croft | killer instinct |
| 16:09.09 | Lava_Croft | dinner (which isnt a game but my food!) |
| 16:09.14 | kerio | but not that weird speedy gonzales game |
| 16:09.28 | tiss | well i tried yoshi's island on n900 and it worked bretty good |
| 16:09.37 | tiss | just trying to enable the joypad... |
| 16:09.38 | kerio | because it freezes unless you emulate an incredibly weird race condition correctly |
| 16:10.03 | kerio | and bsnes/higan needs about 3GHz to get that level of accuracy :D |
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| 16:27.25 | Lava_Croft | i dont recall speedy gonzales ever having starred in a game i would want to play |
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| 16:46.17 | fw190 | Pali: I can not install call notify - missing python gobjects and python dbus - all repos are on. Never happened before. Should it be like this? |
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| 16:48.13 | Pali | fw190: please provide output from apt-get install |
| 16:49.16 | fw190 | aaa this was from HAM - will try x term righ now |
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| 16:53.55 | fw190 | Pali: it wnet ok from xterm. Why is that? |
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| 16:59.56 | Pali | fw190: sudo gainroot and then apt-get install callnotify |
| 17:02.40 | fw190 | Pali: as I wrote previusly it went ok with x term. Just wonderin why ham made problems |
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| 17:03.48 | sixwheeledbeast | ham is very cautious. |
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| 17:07.32 | Lava_Croft | very |
| 17:09.32 | fw190 | yep and HAM also can install some random apps without asking |
| 17:09.59 | Lava_Croft | and i bet you never noticed, but HAM is also s l o w |
| 17:11.41 | fw190 | HAM i slow like a 100 year old turtle especialy with devel repo |
| 17:15.00 | sixwheeledbeast | ~ham |
| 17:15.00 | infobot | well, ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does |
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| 17:29.51 | nanooq | hello all. My N900 Fremantle was being a HotSpot for about one hour and then shut down. Now, turning it on it just boots until the bright Nokia screen and then shuts down again. |
| 17:30.19 | thedead1440 | nanooq: most probably a case of your battery having died |
| 17:30.31 | nanooq | oh... |
| 17:31.37 | nanooq | wait, when I plug in the charger, it vibrates shortly, a dim nokia screen turns on for about 20 seconds, turns off and repeats. |
| 17:32.10 | ecc3g | that means your charger is broken or usb is dirty |
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| 17:33.02 | ecc3g | (or usb is broken...uhoh) |
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| 17:33.50 | ecc3g | hmm... speaking of hotspot, I don't know why MHS doesn't work very well for me... |
| 17:34.33 | nanooq | It is improbable that three USB cables broke at the same time. Hence... |
| 17:34.51 | nanooq | my N900 usb-socket (the on on the phone) is broken? |
| 17:35.27 | ecc3g | I have a whole bunch of microusb cables, only a select few can actually charge my n900 when the battery is dead... the others only will charge if the n900 can boot fully |
| 17:36.10 | nanooq | ecc3g: how do I identify such a holly cable? |
| 17:36.17 | ecc3g | experimentation :( |
| 17:36.22 | nanooq | w00t??? |
| 17:36.55 | ecc3g | I had to keep on buying cables and testing them... and threw out the ones that wouldn't do it |
| 17:37.09 | nanooq | What about the other possibility: the N900 usb is broken? |
| 17:37.16 | ecc3g | very possible too. |
| 17:37.35 | nanooq | ecc3g: how do I fix / diagnose that? |
| 17:37.47 | ecc3g | let's not think about that unless all other possibilities are exhausted... |
| 17:37.47 | nanooq | shoot. |
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| 17:38.40 | nanooq | Well, I have to look into that another time. ecc3g and thedead1440 thank you very much for all the input. |
| 17:38.44 | sixwheeledbeast | nanooq: ~flatbatrecover |
| 17:38.53 | ecc3g | currently I'm using a LG-branded 5.1V 700mA wall charger because my broken Nokia AC10C won't charge my n900 from flat |
| 17:38.55 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbatrecover |
| 17:38.55 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover |
| 17:41.09 | divVerent | speaking of charger... +5 points for nokia and htc, -10 for apple |
| 17:41.44 | divVerent | got my work phone (nexus 4), charger charges n900 too (at 500mA) and n900 charger charges the nexus too |
| 17:42.01 | kerio | the iphone wants usb enum |
| 17:42.07 | kerio | which, for windows, means installed drivers |
| 17:42.11 | divVerent | apple can't do that... iphone chargers only charge iphones |
| 17:42.25 | divVerent | and iphones are only charged by iphone charger |
| 17:42.28 | ecc3g | standard plugs are always nice.. but I think the microusb is kind of weak for the charge rates people want... |
| 17:42.50 | divVerent | yes... I doubt the plug design can do more than 2A |
| 17:43.06 | divVerent | and don't we want to go towards 5 or 10 A? |
| 17:43.19 | sixwheeledbeast | wtf 10a |
| 17:43.23 | divVerent | why not |
| 17:43.25 | ecc3g | and you're right. And I really think microusb shouldnt go over 400mA or so, it's way too flaky |
| 17:43.31 | divVerent | yes |
| 17:43.43 | divVerent | microusb looks like it can take at most 2A |
| 17:43.48 | sixwheeledbeast | I thought uSB was ok to 1A |
| 17:43.53 | divVerent | so it should be rated at most 1A |
| 17:44.06 | divVerent | always need some headroom |
| 17:44.18 | ecc3g | the contacts are too small, and el-cheapo cables are exactly that, el-cheapo... |
| 17:44.25 | divVerent | exactly |
| 17:44.48 | divVerent | even 1A on microusb does not strike me as a good idea, but seems to work |
| 17:45.19 | divVerent | maybe if we use all four inner pins for charging, ad the outer ground contact for the other way |
| 17:45.26 | divVerent | then it maybe can take 2A |
| 17:45.31 | divVerent | reliably |
| 17:45.37 | sixwheeledbeast | If batteries are say 2Ah then 10A chargin is OTT IMO |
| 17:45.39 | divVerent | but that is not how usb charging works |
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| 17:45.49 | divVerent | sixwheeledbeast: at the moment yes |
| 17:46.05 | divVerent | but there is development towards really fast charging devices |
| 17:46.10 | kerio | sixwheeledbeast: it means that it takes 12 minutes to fully charge the battery |
| 17:46.12 | kerio | i'd like that |
| 17:46.18 | divVerent | exactly |
| 17:46.22 | divVerent | we would love that |
| 17:46.32 | divVerent | but obviouslynoy with lipo/liion |
| 17:46.53 | divVerent | for dumbphones one could even use a capacitor to power the device |
| 17:47.04 | divVerent | charge for 1min every 2 days |
| 17:47.17 | sixwheeledbeast | As you say you need the correct battery technology or they will not last. |
| 17:47.24 | divVerent | inductively :P |
| 17:47.28 | ecc3g | would people accept charging 15 seconds every day for a dumbphone? |
| 17:47.45 | divVerent | ecc3g: yes, if it does not involve handling the plug |
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| 17:47.57 | divVerent | inductive fast charging :P |
| 17:48.20 | ecc3g | I'm not sure I'd like that even if it was that fast... unless the infrastructure was available everywhere |
| 17:49.15 | divVerent | but as for smartphones... |
| 17:49.23 | divVerent | i know they develop towards more |
| 17:49.32 | divVerent | but I do not trust more than 16A |
| 17:49.45 | divVerent | 16A can get quite scary already |
| 17:49.54 | sixwheeledbeast | Inductive charging would be useful |
| 17:50.03 | divVerent | but do we really want car starter like currents in our homes? |
| 17:50.12 | kerio | why 16? |
| 17:50.16 | kerio | that sounds like an arbitrary amount |
| 17:50.28 | divVerent | 16 is the limit in german AC net |
| 17:50.29 | ecc3g | my oven can use 16A ? |
| 17:50.36 | ecc3g | Oh. |
| 17:50.38 | divVerent | that is how I know what 16A can do |
| 17:50.49 | divVerent | some heaters are 14A |
| 17:50.59 | divVerent | and get hot pretty fast |
| 17:51.06 | sixwheeledbeast | 16A AC at what voltage? |
| 17:51.13 | divVerent | also, I did some experimenting when I was small |
| 17:51.16 | divVerent | 220v |
| 17:51.29 | divVerent | well, I had a powersupply up to 15A |
| 17:51.37 | divVerent | that can melt quite a lot already |
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| 17:51.57 | sixwheeledbeast | Is this for portable appliances or the whole home? |
| 17:51.58 | divVerent | even just at 15V |
| 17:52.01 | ecc3g | 0.5V @ 15A is isn't a lot of power, 220V @ 15A is quite a bit of power. |
| 17:52.09 | ecc3g | but nowhere near what a car engine can generate... |
| 17:52.09 | divVerent | ecc3g: yes |
| 17:52.24 | divVerent | was talking about what it can do to bad contacts or too thin wires |
| 17:52.34 | divVerent | voltage does not matter for THAT |
| 17:53.07 | divVerent | I do not want a dirty plug that is only 15% connected to start a fire |
| 17:53.15 | divVerent | at 100A that can happen |
| 17:53.28 | ecc3g | actually another simple thing to hasten power flow small contacts: increase voltage... |
| 17:53.31 | divVerent | even at 10A it already happens sometimes |
| 17:54.11 | divVerent | ecc3g: yes... increasing voltage is safer as long as the isolation can take it |
| 17:54.13 | ecc3g | but it'd then be out of spec of USB. |
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| 17:54.24 | divVerent | micro usb probably can easily take 50v 500maA |
| 17:54.33 | divVerent | 42v to be exact |
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| 17:54.42 | divVerent | above that it has to be touch safe |
| 17:54.45 | ecc3g | yeah,... could charge faster with that... |
| 17:55.01 | ecc3g | and not exceed the current limitations of microusb |
| 17:55.13 | ecc3g | of course the charge circuitry needs to adapt... |
| 17:55.22 | divVerent | the plug however is also designed for smaller voltage |
| 17:55.36 | divVerent | as in, there may be microusb cables that cannot take 42V |
| 17:55.46 | divVerent | but most likely 99.9% can |
| 17:57.05 | divVerent | if your power supply shuts itself off on short, or hard limits current, nothing really bad can happen... maybe usb 4 gets higher voltage charging |
| 17:57.14 | divVerent | needs new plug or protocol for sure |
| 17:57.23 | divVerent | to not harm existing devices |
| 17:58.04 | sixwheeledbeast | you have odd house wiring over there. |
| 17:58.21 | divVerent | also I suppose you can design a 2A plug in micro usb size |
| 17:58.30 | divVerent | by wider contacts and less unused space |
| 17:58.54 | divVerent | so in theory microusb 4 could use 42V 2A for charging, i.e. 84 W |
| 17:59.35 | divVerent | but any more I would consider insane at that plug size |
| 18:00.33 | divVerent | note: higher voltage on the cable would require the device's charging circuits to reduce voltage and increase current |
| 18:00.46 | divVerent | i.e. be its own switching power supply |
| 18:01.01 | divVerent | so, more complexity |
| 18:01.37 | sixwheeledbeast | more to go wrong in the device IMO |
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| 18:03.12 | divVerent | exactly |
| 18:03.23 | ecc3g | most devices already have a switching supply |
| 18:03.28 | kerio | there's also a lot more to go wrong in the n900, compared to a 3310 |
| 18:03.35 | divVerent | sure |
| 18:03.57 | divVerent | but if the device really transformed 42V 2A to 4V 21A... |
| 18:04.10 | divVerent | I'd really like to see a fuse there too |
| 18:04.37 | ecc3g | wouldn't you want a fuse too, if you fed in 4v 21A straight into the device? |
| 18:04.42 | divVerent | yes |
| 18:04.49 | divVerent | no difference there |
| 18:05.30 | divVerent | with 21A you can btw charge a 2000mAh battery in 6 minutes... |
| 18:05.38 | divVerent | not even THAT impressive yet |
| 18:06.16 | GI_Jack | now find me a cable that carries 21 amps |
| 18:06.37 | divVerent | I have some cables which I have used for a lot more before |
| 18:06.39 | GI_Jack | that hooks up to a small electronic devices |
| 18:06.45 | divVerent | jump start cables :P |
| 18:06.49 | divVerent | hehe, yes |
| 18:06.53 | GI_Jack | divVerent, I was about to say |
| 18:07.03 | GI_Jack | do probably do HVAC work |
| 18:07.05 | divVerent | for 21A the "USB" cable would be a bit thick |
| 18:07.15 | divVerent | probably as thick as your PC AC cable |
| 18:07.21 | GI_Jack | a bit is an understatement |
| 18:07.34 | GI_Jack | the better solution is capping amps at around 5 and increasing voltage |
| 18:07.34 | divVerent | which is designed for 16A but has 3 wires, not 2 |
| 18:07.50 | GI_Jack | make a new 20v standard |
| 18:07.50 | divVerent | as I said... up to 42V are "allowed" |
| 18:07.57 | GI_Jack | oh nice |
| 18:08.09 | divVerent | without having to make it "untouchable" |
| 18:08.09 | GI_Jack | there is no reason that any small electronic device needs more than 42v at 5 amps |
| 18:08.25 | divVerent | GI_Jack: I currently agree |
| 18:08.26 | GI_Jack | isn't 42v what POTs uses for the wring? |
| 18:08.27 | divVerent | but... |
| 18:08.42 | divVerent | there is no reason why anyone would need more than 640k |
| 18:08.46 | divVerent | POT? |
| 18:08.55 | divVerent | electric toy trains? iirc yes |
| 18:08.56 | GI_Jack | plain old telephone system |
| 18:09.02 | divVerent | oh, POTS |
| 18:09.06 | divVerent | yes, that too |
| 18:09.30 | divVerent | if you touch that you already can feel it |
| 18:09.59 | jaska | 48v atleast here, doesnt really feel like anything if hand is dry |
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| 18:10.33 | divVerent | no, not 42 |
| 18:10.42 | divVerent | but smething around that |
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| 18:11.13 | divVerent | "40 to 60 V" in germany |
| 18:11.36 | jaska | it usually shows as 50v here |
| 18:11.49 | divVerent | so this already has to be protected against touching |
| 18:11.54 | divVerent | which no USB plug does |
| 18:11.59 | divVerent | (or needs) |
| 18:12.57 | divVerent | the big standard usb plugs/sockets actually might already be considered touch safe |
| 18:13.08 | divVerent | at least I cannot reach the Vcc pin |
| 18:13.09 | ecc3g | USB is already somewhat shielded against touching - for esd |
| 18:13.12 | kerio | what does "touch safe" mean? |
| 18:13.24 | divVerent | ecc3g: ah, that is why |
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| 18:13.41 | divVerent | micro or mini usb however allow touching the data or vcc pins |
| 18:14.09 | ecc3g | pins are recessed though... |
| 18:14.10 | divVerent | kerio: country dependent... basically "you cannot touch that which has the voltage with your bare fingers" |
| 18:14.43 | kerio | i see |
| 18:15.01 | divVerent | for micro usb I can at least get very close |
| 18:15.06 | divVerent | not sure if I touch |
| 18:15.30 | divVerent | for mini usb I certainly can |
| 18:16.00 | divVerent | anyway, stay below 42V and no need to worry about this |
| 18:19.44 | sixwheeledbeast | <50V is Safe Extra Low Voltage |
| 18:20.48 | sixwheeledbeast | Anyway it's not going to happen they have standardized to uUSB chargers @ 5v |
| 18:23.07 | kerio | 50 V seems a lot of V |
| 18:23.26 | sixwheeledbeast | Most people charge overnight so 3-4 hours charging time is fine |
| 18:23.36 | sixwheeledbeast | 50V upto 1A |
| 18:24.34 | GI_Jack | 42v is the range of safe voltage on DC? |
| 18:24.55 | GI_Jack | modern USB chargers suppport 5v at up to 2.1 amps |
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| 18:25.38 | GI_Jack | 5v dc is great because its pretty standard in electronics logic |
| 18:25.50 | GI_Jack | and there are already 5v rails everywhere in a computer |
| 18:26.16 | GI_Jack | but so is 12v, it'd solve a lot less headaches if they added a 12v mode, which in addition would work with automotive stuff |
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| 18:28.42 | sixwheeledbeast | Let the charger do the work not the device IMO. |
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| 18:40.50 | JohnathonDoe | 220 - 280v on my wall sockets, I should just plug my battery straight in one day for kicks and fun |
| 18:43.13 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm |
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| 18:43.35 | sixwheeledbeast | you will get a kick |
| 18:46.09 | ShadowJK | Asus has a 15V mode over usb. |
| 18:46.21 | kerio | *an explosion |
| 18:46.31 | kerio | maybe |
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| 18:58.56 | GI_Jack | ShadowJK, thats great, but what uses it |
| 18:59.00 | GI_Jack | and what else runs on 15v? |
| 18:59.38 | GI_Jack | 12v is the same as cars, boats, motorcycles, and UPSs and already is wired inside motherboards |
| 18:59.58 | GI_Jack | 20v is big enough to power laptops, and other DC input computer power supplies |
| 19:04.16 | ecc3g | i hate my 18V UPS. |
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| 19:19.46 | sixwheeledbeast | UPS's don't have a DC connection anyway. |
| 19:21.57 | GI_Jack | no, but emergency haxoring with batteries becomes possible |
| 19:23.19 | sixwheeledbeast | Well I have 2x12V 17Ah batteries in my UPS's |
| 19:48.04 | divVerent | why do notebooks get 19V anyway |
| 19:48.15 | divVerent | what in there can use this voltage? |
| 19:57.00 | sixwheeledbeast | the battery charger. |
| 19:57.13 | sixwheeledbeast | plus headroom for running the device |
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| 20:43.50 | ShadowJK | GI_Jack; asus' tablets atleast. If you just connect something random, it gives 5V/1A. If you connect an asus tablet, it gives 15V/1A, and charges 3 times faster. |
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| 20:46.05 | ShadowJK | Higher voltages gives less losses in wires, and you can transfer more energy without making wires thicker. |
| 20:47.58 | GI_Jack | ahh |
| 20:48.02 | GI_Jack | I know |
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| 22:22.31 | RoDi | does somebody know how to install pyrcc4 on the n900? |
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| 22:27.15 | mad_dev | RoDi: Give me a sec |
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| 22:34.54 | mad_dev | RoDi: it should be in python2.5-qt4-dev |
| 22:36.28 | RoDi | ok thanks |
| 22:36.35 | mad_dev | np |
| 22:40.37 | RoDi | mad_dev: it's not in it :/ |
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| 23:20.02 | mad_dev | RoDi: sorry about the prolonged response, I am sure not where it is or that if it is in fact available for maemo. |
| 23:20.16 | mad_dev | *not sure |
| 23:20.55 | mad_dev | If you could just tell me what you are trying to accomplish, I may assist you. |
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| 23:25.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | logging is back to normal in #maemo, thanks marius gedminas who took care of it despite being in holiday |
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| 23:27.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | chanlogs of last 7 days can be found at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/maemo/ |
| 23:28.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | (alas not searchable by "normal" means) |
| 23:29.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 23:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | chanlogs of last 7 days can be found at http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/maemo/ |
| 23:29.28 | RoDi | mad_dev: i'm trying to run this script to compile a ui for the new version of anki2 https://github.com/dae/anki/blob/master/tools/build_ui.sh |
| 23:31.12 | RoDi | i'll just find something else and run it on a debian or ubuntu machine instead |
| 23:32.05 | RoDi | ...hm or i could install easy debian in fact |
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| 23:34.44 | mad_dev | Probably the only way, unless someone could point you to pyrcc4 for maemo or pyuic4 for that matter |
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