| 00:00.33 | acab | only "Project created by QtCreator 2010-11-05T12:38:12" https://gitorious.org/maegasquirt/maegasquirt/blobs/master/Maegasquirt.pro |
| 00:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, great |
| 00:01.57 | robbiethe1st | ah HAH |
| 00:02.15 | robbiethe1st | and a control file etc |
| 00:02.51 | acab | i must download Qt Creator IDE and tools? |
| 00:03.01 | robbiethe1st | n |
| 00:03.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | so lemme guess: somebody created a ultraleete GUI in qtcreator, but zilch code behind it? |
| 00:03.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I sometimes do that when my boss wants to see results |
| 00:03.48 | robbiethe1st | No, there's some code |
| 00:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | takes 20 min |
| 00:04.01 | acab | what i must do( |
| 00:04.06 | robbiethe1st | looks like it'll display RPM, MAP and A/F Ratio |
| 00:04.59 | robbiethe1st | DocS, if you want to compile some .cpp files just with g++ or w/e, how do you do it |
| 00:05.05 | acab | who can compile it ? |
| 00:05.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | qtcreator? qmake |
| 00:05.31 | robbiethe1st | I can tell these things require libqt4 https://gitorious.org/maegasquirt/maegasquirt/blobs/master/qtc_packaging/debian_fremantle/control |
| 00:05.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | but probably that's madde, not qtcreator |
| 00:06.06 | acab | i have mo idea how to make that project) |
| 00:06.23 | robbiethe1st | https://gitorious.org/maegasquirt/maegasquirt/blobs/master/Maegasquirt.pro |
| 00:06.35 | robbiethe1st | DocS, that file looks like a compile file of somesort |
| 00:07.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | either qtcreator or madde project file, yes |
| 00:07.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik madde is based on qtcreator |
| 00:07.17 | robbiethe1st | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | but somewhat cistomized to maemo |
| 00:07.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me, I never used it |
| 00:08.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc for qtcreator projects you have a qmake |
| 00:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is a biatch |
| 00:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's quite a while ago since I last built twinklephone with own patches |
| 00:09.43 | robbiethe1st | http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_development |
| 00:09.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, twinklephone is kinda hybrid |
| 00:10.13 | robbiethe1st | acab, try opening a terminal, navigating to your extracted directory and then running |
| 00:10.27 | robbiethe1st | 'qmake MegaSquirt.pro' and then 'make' |
| 00:10.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks sensible |
| 00:11.14 | acab | qmake not fount) |
| 00:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
| 00:11.50 | robbiethe1st | try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install qmake" |
| 00:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt that's a package |
| 00:12.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, who knows |
| 00:12.46 | robbiethe1st | hm |
| 00:12.50 | robbiethe1st | qt4-qmake |
| 00:13.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway /usr/bin/qmake |
| 00:13.02 | robbiethe1st | try "sudo apt-get install qt4-qmake" instead |
| 00:13.29 | acab | not fount any( |
| 00:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get update |
| 00:14.01 | acab | i do that |
| 00:14.09 | Wizzup_ | Macer: Well, yes, it is fixable |
| 00:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache search qmake |
| 00:14.17 | Wizzup_ | There's a thread somewhere on t.m.o, but I don't have the link |
| 00:14.19 | Wizzup_ | A friend does |
| 00:14.22 | mad_dev | I think its qmake-qt4 |
| 00:14.37 | Wizzup_ | Anyway, ehm, regarding the usb, that is also fixable with a rework station |
| 00:16.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | that is definitely fixable, even without a reflow station |
| 00:16.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 00:16.47 | infobot | rumour has it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 00:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | libqt4-devel |
| 00:21.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe |
| 00:22.17 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: it isnt a layman fix |
| 00:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't check right now, my mouse needs a break |
| 00:23.48 | Macer | heh |
| 00:23.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, yes, not for the unexperienced |
| 00:23.55 | acab | i have last cssu, but i havent rtcom-messaging-ui-portait conversations in portrait |
| 00:24.04 | Macer | im back on the e7 now |
| 00:24.05 | acab | why it didnt work? |
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| 05:18.35 | tx0h | hello & good morning |
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| 05:31.47 | crculver | Does anyone have a script they could share with me to automount an ext3 partition when I insert a microSD card with that filesystem as the second partition? |
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| 05:42.13 | tx0h | sorry, i haven't tried microsd yet |
| 05:43.18 | tx0h | i just like to know if there is a way to get the PUK of the sim card, i forgot it :-( |
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| 05:53.19 | crculver | tx0h, Why not take your phone to a neighbourhood shop that unlocks phones? |
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| 05:58.35 | tx0h | it's not locked |
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| 05:59.55 | tx0h | but i need the puk to cancel a account because my traffic contingent is over and they let me surf with only 64kbit. i can only recharge my account to cancel the old one. |
| 06:01.36 | crculver | tx0h, But those shops might be able to read the PUK with their equipment. |
| 06:17.35 | tx0h | hmm... but is this equipment so much better than a linux OS on the phone? |
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| 08:43.57 | panjgoori | hello everyone. when there will be a update for CSSU-Stable ? last update was on January. |
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| 09:15.41 | kerio | panjgoori: whenever there are enough worthy changes, i guess |
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| 13:45.16 | rikanee | iOS 7 looks awful, and the design is totally ripped off. |
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| 13:45.32 | rikanee | Even hobbyists at Dribbble are doing better than Apple at this. |
| 13:46.34 | rikanee | (side note: the new call answer gesture is swipe up instead of swipe right huehuehuehue) |
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| 13:51.50 | kerio | the new ios looks... plasticky |
| 13:51.56 | kerio | but i actually prefer it to the glossy thing |
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| 13:55.47 | rikanee | kerio: given the level of fit and finish Apple's known for, iOS just looks plain tacky. |
| 13:55.54 | rikanee | Feels like Windows XP, so to speak. |
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| 15:41.10 | Lava_Croft | it feels like windows8 |
| 15:41.12 | Lava_Croft | ios7 |
| 15:41.30 | Lava_Croft | this weird mutant combination of something new (which looks plain ugly) and something old (which looks plain ugly) |
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| 15:51.22 | mad_dev | Lava_Croft: it seem that way, but the multi-tasking feature is new to the IOS family. So maybe there is something to look for. |
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| 16:04.59 | Lava_Croft | there is something to look for anyway, games! |
| 16:05.07 | Lava_Croft | im so happy my lover has one |
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| 16:13.49 | vi__ | Anyone here speak c#? |
| 16:16.17 | vi__ | I use the line: motor_drive_current_number = motor_drive_current_number/9.75; |
| 16:16.30 | vi__ | a=a/9.75; |
| 16:16.42 | vi__ | where a is a 'decimal' data type. |
| 16:16.57 | vi__ | I get the error: |
| 16:17.03 | vi__ | Error7Operator '/' cannot be applied to operands of type 'decimal' and 'double' |
| 16:17.10 | vi__ | WTF? |
| 16:18.12 | vi__ | I do not understand. |
| 16:18.37 | vi__ | Why can I not use a normal mathematical operator on what is essentially a float? |
| 16:19.59 | ecc3g | dunno c# but it might be stronger typed than plain C, what are you trying to do there, can you typecast? |
| 16:20.31 | ecc3g | what is a 'decimal' data type? |
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| 16:28.45 | ecc3g | oh. microsoft-ism non ieee "float"... |
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| 16:29.35 | freemangordon | vi__: oh, C# :( |
| 16:30.10 | vi__ | Well F* me. |
| 16:30.19 | vi__ | I asked in the c# room. |
| 16:30.26 | vi__ | Got flamed. |
| 16:30.37 | vi__ | They have gone back to talking about battlefront. |
| 16:30.56 | vi__ | c# can go suck a chubby. |
| 16:31.12 | vi__ | it turns out I have to append an 'm' |
| 16:31.23 | vi__ | as in: a=a*9.75m |
| 16:31.35 | freemangordon | m for microsoft? |
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| 16:31.36 | ecc3g | typecasted. |
| 16:32.07 | vi__ | freemangordon: I have literally no idea. |
| 16:32.14 | freemangordon | :) |
| 16:32.18 | vi__ | I am floundering around like a moron. |
| 16:32.45 | vi__ | Writing crappy code because I have no idea how to actually use visual studio 2010 or c#. |
| 16:32.57 | freemangordon | vi__: why use it then? |
| 16:33.05 | vi__ | Because I have been told to. |
| 16:33.13 | freemangordon | vs2010 has c++ compiler |
| 16:33.14 | freemangordon | ooh |
| 16:34.49 | freemangordon | this is the amongst the most stupid ideas i've ever heard - to force someone to write a code with an IDE he is not familiar with using a programming language he has NFC of |
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| 16:35.02 | freemangordon | WTF? |
| 16:35.05 | vi__ | for example, I am convinced there must be a way to 'link' a slider and a 'number box' instead of adding an 'update slider position' clause in the 'execute this when number box value is changed'. |
| 16:35.24 | vi__ | welcome to my company. |
| 16:35.43 | vi__ | I have a new job anyway. |
| 16:35.50 | freemangordon | congrats |
| 16:35.54 | vi__ | TY |
| 16:36.07 | vi__ | I just have to eat this shit for 1 more month. |
| 16:36.16 | vi__ | Although I really want to finish this. |
| 16:36.20 | freemangordon | vi__: you are coding some UI? |
| 16:36.29 | vi__ | I do not want to leave unfinished stuff. |
| 16:36.34 | vi__ | Yes. |
| 16:36.53 | freemangordon | omg |
| 16:37.21 | vi__ | Is it that shocking? |
| 16:38.10 | freemangordon | well... maybe not according to the policy of that company. But in my book, HW/SW guys should not code UI ;) |
| 16:38.33 | vi__ | heh. |
| 16:38.39 | vi__ | I concur! |
| 16:38.44 | freemangordon | I mean those who know both sides of the coin |
| 16:40.32 | freemangordon | In my company UI's are usually coded by a girl, which till not so long ago was an assistant :). The others are doing serious stuff |
| 16:40.52 | vi__ | Exactly, UI programming is for women. |
| 16:41.29 | freemangordon | well, depends |
| 16:41.37 | vi__ | (i was joking) |
| 16:41.41 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 16:41.59 | vi__ | if mrs vi__ heard that she would round house kick me to the head. |
| 16:42.06 | freemangordon | I;d say that programming as a whole is not for women |
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| 16:42.09 | freemangordon | hides |
| 16:42.52 | freemangordon | I am still to see relatively good code written by a woman |
| 16:43.48 | vi__ | hah, you are just jaded by tkscreenlock. |
| 16:43.55 | freemangordon | heh |
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| 16:44.03 | vi__ | and alarm snooze button. |
| 16:44.48 | Wizzup_ | freemangordon: eh... |
| 16:44.57 | freemangordon | no, we tried to hire ladies several times, it was a disaster. one of the ladies had 2 university degrees (economics and engineering) |
| 16:45.09 | vi__ | In fact you do not even need an alarm snooze button now. You wake up screaming every hour just thinking about the memory leaks, thus negating the need for an alarm. |
| 16:45.10 | freemangordon | no use |
| 16:45.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | poor degrees for coding |
| 16:45.16 | Wizzup_ | You're generalising |
| 16:45.42 | freemangordon | Wizzup_: hmm? I am talking about my experience |
| 16:45.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally degrees are poor qualification for coding ;-P |
| 16:45.50 | vi__ | You do not need a degree for coding. |
| 16:45.57 | vi__ | You just need a logical mind. |
| 16:46.00 | vi__ | and maths. |
| 16:46.03 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: my degree is in robotics ;) |
| 16:46.04 | vi__ | lots of maths. |
| 16:46.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | no math |
| 16:46.11 | freemangordon | LOTS OF math |
| 16:46.16 | vi__ | ALL MATHS. |
| 16:46.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 16:46.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | i++ |
| 16:46.35 | freemangordon | you really need it, not while coding, but because it changes your way of thinking |
| 16:46.36 | vi__ | Convert.ToInt32(i); |
| 16:46.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, for graphics etc that's another thing |
| 16:47.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | or mp3 etc |
| 16:47.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should know what's a FFT |
| 16:47.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and similar stuff |
| 16:47.34 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: btw that lady engineering degree was in computer science |
| 16:47.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | matrix operations |
| 16:47.50 | freemangordon | (or whatever is the english term) |
| 16:47.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | see? degrees are detrimental |
| 16:48.06 | freemangordon | esp here ;) |
| 16:48.25 | freemangordon | but math is still a must |
| 16:48.55 | freemangordon | remember all the crypto algos |
| 16:48.57 | vi__ | computer science. rofl. |
| 16:49.21 | freemangordon | <freemangordon> (or whatever is the english term) |
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| 16:50.34 | vi__ | Did you see on the forum the opera 12 crashing thing? |
| 16:50.42 | freemangordon | anyway, UI should not be done by senior developer (and I don;t talk about job positions) |
| 16:51.18 | vi__ | People are claiming adding a '/' before 'opera' on the exec line is stopping the crashing. |
| 16:51.32 | vi__ | (the exec line of opera.desktop) |
| 16:51.39 | freemangordon | vi__: yes |
| 16:51.45 | vi__ | it makes no sense. |
| 16:51.51 | freemangordon | I was wondering WTF is that supposed to mean |
| 16:52.13 | freemangordon | maybe someone should dig in hildon-desktop |
| 16:52.14 | vi__ | and How TF user 'seanmcken' discovered it? |
| 16:52.21 | Wizzup_ | vi__: I found that lots of ppl who do maths are not very good coders |
| 16:53.01 | freemangordon | Wizzup_: sure, one need imagination and lots of other skills to be good developer |
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| 16:53.06 | vi__ | Wizzup_: I was merely saying an understanding of maths is, in my opinion a very important quality for a coder. |
| 16:53.09 | freemangordon | *needs |
| 16:53.14 | Wizzup_ | it is for certain programs vi__ |
| 16:53.25 | Wizzup_ | but for the average java coder who uses eclipse and svn |
| 16:53.26 | Wizzup_ | probably not |
| 16:53.27 | Wizzup_ | :) |
| 16:53.32 | Wizzup_ | they just code whatever their tests tell them |
| 16:53.42 | Wizzup_ | but yeah, for more scientific and useful programming, yeah |
| 16:54.05 | freemangordon | Wizzup_: we're discussing "good" developers, not "average java" developers ;) |
| 16:54.35 | vi__ | I believe maths is an essential skill like tying your shoes or wiping your butt after a dump. |
| 16:54.39 | freemangordon | I was told those are paid per line of code in India, NFC if it is true though |
| 16:54.52 | Wizzup_ | freemangordon: right, then yes, a MSc at a good uni at least. |
| 16:54.54 | vi__ | paid per line?? |
| 16:55.02 | vi__ | I could write a novel in the comments! |
| 16:55.10 | freemangordon | (average java developers) |
| 16:55.22 | freemangordon | vi__: toldya, NFC if it is true |
| 16:59.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know there been recurring investigations that all resulted in: a coder can produce 5..12 bugfree codelines per DAY |
| 16:59.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | long term average |
| 16:59.51 | freemangordon | really? |
| 16:59.53 | freemangordon | omg |
| 17:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | incl debugging and all |
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| 17:43.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g here http://codebetter.com/patricksmacchia/2012/01/23/mythical-man-month-10-lines-per-developer-day/ |
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| 18:32.20 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm still no logs to check back on if I get disconnected. Is povbot still stuck on overflow car park? |
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| 18:39.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 18:39.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and mgedmin is MIA |
| 18:40.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | what you see here is just his bouncer, with an away msf of Fri 7th |
| 18:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | msg |
| 18:41.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, not here, in #harmattan |
| 18:41.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway see |
| 18:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~log |
| 18:41.25 | infobot | it has been said that log is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 18:41.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~logs |
| 18:41.30 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 18:41.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | not like povbot, but better than nothing |
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| 18:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the nice part: unlike povbot, I have admin powers on infobot |
| 18:47.40 | sixwheeledbeast | :0 |
| 18:47.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: you got an idea where to find mgedmin's mail addr? |
| 18:48.04 | sixwheeledbeast | I can look |
| 18:48.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | marius getminas pov.lt programmers of litvana or sth |
| 18:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | gedminas even |
| 18:49.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-11 20:35:46] [Away] mgedmin is away: Auto away at Fri Jun 7 17:50:08 2013 |
| 18:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-11 20:35:46] <mgedmin> mgedmin is currently away, try again later |
| 18:49.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-11 20:36:24] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from mgedmin: ZNC 0.206+deb1 - http://znc.in. |
| 18:50.33 | sixwheeledbeast | hidemail on IRC |
| 18:50.37 | sixwheeledbeast | :( |
| 18:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, normal |
| 18:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt |
| 18:52.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe if you have a twitter account or sth, you can contact him on / via this website |
| 18:52.47 | sixwheeledbeast | twitter dafuq no! |
| 18:54.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | nm, got a mail addr |
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| 19:04.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | sent an email to marius gemin.as |
| 19:04.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's hope that makes it to wherever he is right now |
| 19:07.33 | Lava_Croft | always enjoys watching a freshly flashed N900 boot to its first startup screen |
| 19:08.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 19:08.36 | Apic | ... and finding it bad how it wastes €0.19 for an SMS. B0( |
| 19:08.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, mgedmin seems alive at least: > >Something's wrong with this x220. 77°C while it's sitting idle in the shade .about 3 days ago from web<< |
| 19:09.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Apic: follow the SOP and you'll not waste any SMS |
| 19:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | remove SIM before flashing |
| 19:09.46 | Apic | Good Idea. |
| 19:09.54 | Lava_Croft | i never flash n900 or n9 with sim |
| 19:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | follow instructions about ~mynokia and on ~jrtools, after flashing |
| 19:10.03 | Lava_Croft | it makes you feel invaded if you do so |
| 19:10.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | only THEN insert SIM |
| 19:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mynokia |
| 19:10.37 | infobot | i guess mynokia is a digital robbery courtesy Nokia, or http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription, or https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10366 |
| 19:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtolls |
| 19:10.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 19:10.50 | infobot | from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 19:11.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | in short the latter boils down to: |
| 19:11.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ############################################ |
| 19:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | # kill that cherry PITA, before it sends SMS -- STILL ACTUAL! |
| 19:11.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | # see http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription |
| 19:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | touch /home/user/.cherry_state |
| 19:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, you also shall clean out your SMS cache |
| 19:12.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | since a SMS might already wait there for getting sent |
| 19:13.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | so install notmynokia app, and read about cherry/mynokia robbery on wiki |
| 19:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes me wonder when CSSU will finally publish a CSSU (& cherry-neutered) FIASCO image |
| 19:15.11 | Wizzup_ | do it! |
| 19:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | make it! |
| 19:15.35 | Wizzup_ | hihi |
| 19:15.50 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: we'll need some tool to track what goes into there |
| 19:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 19:16.20 | freemangordon | otherwise nothing can stop me to put a daemon tracking your GPS location or uploading your contacts DB |
| 19:16.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't pali's 0xffff just build a fiasco from a plain fs |
| 19:16.27 | freemangordon | for example |
| 19:16.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 19:16.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I see |
| 19:16.46 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yeah |
| 19:16.51 | Pali | 0xFFFF can create fiasco image |
| 19:17.10 | freemangordon | Pali: we have the tools, the point is about security |
| 19:17.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, how about council "signing" the ready-made fiasco image, after inspecting it? |
| 19:17.52 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: inspecting it would be a nightmare |
| 19:18.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 19:18.27 | freemangordon | hmm, what about this: |
| 19:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I think that's no different to any arbitrary CSSU update |
| 19:18.41 | Pali | somewhere I have list of packages which should be removed from fiasco rootfs image |
| 19:18.56 | freemangordon | extract the image and put it in git |
| 19:19.09 | freemangordon | (though that one should not be public) |
| 19:19.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? |
| 19:19.19 | freemangordon | that way we can track the changes |
| 19:19.26 | freemangordon | because if the IP |
| 19:19.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck IP |
| 19:19.37 | freemangordon | DSP codex, flashplayer, whatnot |
| 19:19.41 | freemangordon | *codecs |
| 19:19.47 | Pali | you can create script which update PR1.3.1 image to last CSSU |
| 19:19.50 | freemangordon | anytime :D |
| 19:20.00 | Pali | and then you can check what was and how changed |
| 19:20.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | plagood concept |
| 19:20.13 | Pali | just diff on pr1.3.1 and new image |
| 19:20.17 | freemangordon | Pali: sure, but this have to be made in public, at least partially |
| 19:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: good concept |
| 19:20.36 | freemangordon | Pali: how to check? |
| 19:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can check the script |
| 19:20.57 | Pali | unpack both ubifs images and run script |
| 19:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | as well as all new pkgs it pulls from arbitrary source |
| 19:21.11 | Pali | and you should get same image |
| 19:21.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | user has original certified NOKIA FIASCO |
| 19:21.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a *diff* |
| 19:21.31 | freemangordon | I still like git concept more |
| 19:21.31 | Pali | it will downloaded packages from CSSU repos |
| 19:21.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:21.46 | freemangordon | because we can track the changes that way |
| 19:21.47 | Pali | git on 256MB image is stupid |
| 19:21.51 | freemangordon | noo |
| 19:21.56 | freemangordon | got on the rootfs |
| 19:22.04 | freemangordon | EXTRACTED |
| 19:22.16 | Pali | it will contains abou 200MB files |
| 19:22.16 | freemangordon | and commit after every package installed |
| 19:22.19 | freemangordon | so? |
| 19:22.26 | Pali | and all are binaries... |
| 19:22.27 | Wizzup_ | what's the point of git on binary files? |
| 19:22.31 | freemangordon | ok, so what? |
| 19:22.36 | Pali | this will be too big and slow in git |
| 19:22.43 | freemangordon | track of changes |
| 19:22.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think a patch to original extraced rootfs is the better way |
| 19:22.46 | Pali | and there is bigger problem: |
| 19:22.51 | Pali | git does not support permissions |
| 19:23.06 | freemangordon | for sure it does |
| 19:23.09 | Pali | so you cannot use git for creating ubifs image |
| 19:23.19 | Pali | it does not support! |
| 19:23.38 | Pali | there is no way to tell git that this file is owned by XYZ:ABC and has sticky bit set |
| 19:23.38 | freemangordon | check your commits on gitorius fixing me putting executable source files |
| 19:23.44 | freemangordon | oh |
| 19:23.46 | freemangordon | ok |
| 19:23.53 | Pali | executable is only only bit which is set in git |
| 19:24.00 | freemangordon | ok, agree |
| 19:24.07 | freemangordon | well, git won't work there |
| 19:24.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | look, that's an absolutely clean solution: user gets FIASCO and 0xffff and all the patchsets as script that does the tweaks, then pack it to a fiasco again with 0xffff, at *users* domain and under his supervision |
| 19:25.04 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: not all users are on linux |
| 19:25.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | too bad for them |
| 19:25.18 | Pali | but not all users care about verifing |
| 19:25.19 | freemangordon | including me :P |
| 19:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly don't care for now |
| 19:25.28 | freemangordon | Pali: but we should care |
| 19:25.34 | Pali | some users can trust other users who verified that it is correct |
| 19:25.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 19:26.01 | Pali | why? there will be howto verify image |
| 19:26.10 | Pali | use some linux and here do this.... |
| 19:26.18 | freemangordon | thinks this is unprofessional, sorry (untrusted fiasko image) |
| 19:26.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | if windows users really do care, they are free to install a ubuntu VM |
| 19:26.44 | Pali | right |
| 19:26.51 | freemangordon | bullshit |
| 19:27.10 | Pali | there is *NO* windows driver for ubi and also no for ubifs |
| 19:27.13 | freemangordon | go tell my sister she needs to install ubuntu VM under her win7 |
| 19:27.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | seriously, CBA to care about windows users who don't care about verification anyway |
| 19:27.39 | Pali | if somebody does not know how to install linux, he also does not know how to verify if ubifs image is correct |
| 19:27.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I won't |
| 19:27.51 | Lava_Croft | its great how 'windows users' are all assigned to a single group now |
| 19:27.56 | Lava_Croft | you must be a 'linux user' or a 'mac user' |
| 19:28.02 | freemangordon | however, do what you want, I am against that |
| 19:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: if your sister comes to me asking "how can I verify that this fiasco isn't rogue?" THEN I will tell her exactly that |
| 19:28.19 | freemangordon | (untrusted fiasko) |
| 19:28.34 | Lava_Croft | i dont think the whole verification really matters at this point to most people |
| 19:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly, Lava_Croft |
| 19:28.47 | Pali | also please note that 0xFFFF not working on windows... |
| 19:28.51 | Lava_Croft | even if it was malicious, it would be so awesome i would let the guy be malicious |
| 19:28.53 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: if we prepare such an image in a correct way, then your answer will be - go read how it is prepared |
| 19:28.56 | Lava_Croft | just because he targets such a huge market |
| 19:28.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and freemangordon is the negatron for no reason here |
| 19:29.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: that's no verification at all |
| 19:29.47 | Pali | because ubi layer is supported only on linux and ubifs too, there is no way how to check integrity of our new roofs, only on linux |
| 19:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I won't give such an answer |
| 19:29.56 | freemangordon | if the process is trusted, then the image will be trusted too |
| 19:30.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 19:30.17 | freemangordon | Pali: md5 can be calculated on every OS I am aware of, excluding DOS |
| 19:30.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | the process of applying patches to an extracted FIASCO under linux, then create a new FIASCO, is NOT trusted, or what? |
| 19:31.01 | freemangordon | it is, but is is unapplicable to most of the users |
| 19:31.08 | Pali | ok, if you are starting with trusted computing, first define what is ultimate trusted root |
| 19:31.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | SO WHAT?? |
| 19:31.33 | Pali | without it, this discussion is useless |
| 19:32.20 | freemangordon | Pali: the trusted "root" is PR1.3(.1) image. all the changes on top of it should be traceable |
| 19:32.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU creates the tools (script, 0xffff) for doing the "patch" on arbitrary linux machines, provides a ready made fiasco bin image, and an instruction how any *LINUX* user can reproduce the process how it got built |
| 19:32.47 | sixwheeledbeast | Well I agree with freemangordon, especially the last comment. |
| 19:32.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | WHAT ELSE do you demand for? |
| 19:32.58 | Pali | ok, if only PR1.3.1 is trusted, then for modification you need ubifs driver |
| 19:33.02 | Pali | which is only on linux |
| 19:33.31 | freemangordon | Pali: I don;t say those modifications should be made by the end user |
| 19:33.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | shall we get it signed by microsoft or what? |
| 19:33.46 | freemangordon | I say that they should be traceable |
| 19:34.10 | Pali | for this you need ubifs driver again |
| 19:34.25 | Pali | otherwise, you do not know *what* was changed in rootfs |
| 19:34.26 | freemangordon | Pali: why? to make nd5 over the fiasko? |
| 19:34.30 | freemangordon | *md5 |
| 19:34.45 | Pali | and what will md5 say about change? |
| 19:34.47 | Pali | nothing |
| 19:35.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | or shall we create a binary with icon to doubleclick that creates the fiasco on windows user's machine locally? I really don't get your concerns, neither what you suggest how we traget your highly worried windows users |
| 19:35.09 | Pali | also md5 say nothing about diff |
| 19:35.11 | freemangordon | it will say that the image you've just downloaded is the same that was made by CSSU devs |
| 19:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | SO WHAT???? |
| 19:35.48 | freemangordon | and on the site you've downloaded the image from should be a list of changes compared with stock Nokia fiasko |
| 19:35.52 | freemangordon | simple as that |
| 19:35.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-11 21:17:35] <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, how about council "signing" the ready-made fiasco image, after inspecting it? |
| 19:36.00 | Pali | because you *need* to replace data in PR1.3.1 rootfs which is ubifs, you need ubifs driver |
| 19:36.11 | freemangordon | key word being "inspecting" here |
| 19:36.15 | Pali | otherwise you cannot verify integrity |
| 19:36.25 | freemangordon | Pali: what? |
| 19:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: sleep over it |
| 19:37.02 | Pali | also there is another problem: because ubifs is "live" FS, you will propably always get different md5sum of images which contans *same* files |
| 19:37.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're severely confused right atm |
| 19:37.48 | Pali | all hash funcion of ubifs image know nothing about files which are in image |
| 19:38.08 | freemangordon | Pali: what is the problem to do md5 of RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? why do you need ubifs driver for that? |
| 19:38.21 | Pali | so you cannot check if two ubifs images are same, only if you unpack them and check every file |
| 19:38.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | we don't |
| 19:38.40 | Pali | you need ubifs driver for unpacking our new CSSU image |
| 19:39.01 | freemangordon | omg, why unpack it, you can do md5 on the packed image |
| 19:39.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | what does the word "sign" in >>[2013-06-11 21:17:35] <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, how about council "signing" the ready-made fiasco image, after inspecting it?<< mean for you? it's "publish the md5sum" nothing else |
| 19:39.05 | Pali | because if you run my script which will create new ubifs, it will have different md5sum as my image |
| 19:39.15 | freemangordon | oh |
| 19:39.20 | Pali | and will contains same files as my image |
| 19:39.49 | freemangordon | Pali: I talk about ready-made fiasko, not about that script which will be useful only for "linux users" |
| 19:39.54 | Pali | only because of using another version of mkfs, ubifs driver, linux kernel version, number of mount counts, type of nandsim, ... |
| 19:40.01 | freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ |
| 19:40.12 | Pali | now I do not understand... |
| 19:40.28 | freemangordon | what exactly? |
| 19:40.32 | Pali | please define what you want and what you have now as input |
| 19:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU creates the tools (script, 0xffff) for doing the "patch" on arbitrary linux machines, provides a ready made fiasco bin image, and an instruction how any *LINUX* user can reproduce the process how it got built. Council approves that the md5sum of the fiasco built by CSSU team is 089247821894167476 |
| 19:41.10 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hold on for a while please, I'll try to elaborate |
| 19:41.21 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: linux user which will use our "patch" will have ubifs image with different md5sum, but same files |
| 19:41.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 19:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | who cares |
| 19:41.43 | Pali | so for checking you need to unpack image |
| 19:41.51 | Pali | and you can run diff, to check if it is OK |
| 19:41.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | the md5sum is **for the FIASCO provided by CSSU, for windows users** |
| 19:42.03 | Pali | ok |
| 19:42.27 | Pali | I agree with this solution |
| 19:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I won't do any diff between two fiasco images, that's nonsense |
| 19:42.47 | freemangordon | Pali: now, "we" prepare a fiasko based on top of PR1.3.1, in such a way that all the chaged files are logged somehow. once we finish applying the patches, we make md5 hash. |
| 19:43.04 | freemangordon | is it more clear now? |
| 19:43.48 | Pali | changes will be only: add cssu repo, run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 19:43.49 | *** join/#maemo tiss (~Valle@cs138240.pp.htv.fi) |
| 19:44.00 | tiss | Hey, anyone got a second to give a hand? |
| 19:44.10 | Pali | shell script for this will be really simple |
| 19:44.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the changed files are "logged2 in the script that applies the changes on arbitrary users' linux machines, so they can build their own fiasco if they don't trust the fiasco made by CSSU |
| 19:44.24 | Pali | and logging all changed files from apt, this is very hard |
| 19:44.25 | tiss | i'm *trying* to flash my n900 on linux |
| 19:44.33 | sixwheeledbeast | tiss: go on |
| 19:44.55 | sixwheeledbeast | tiss: have you read the flashing wiki page several times? |
| 19:45.10 | tiss | So, I enter the command "sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f |
| 19:45.11 | tiss | " , and terminal says "option requires an argument -- 'F' " |
| 19:45.24 | tiss | yeah, no luck there |
| 19:45.54 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flashing |
| 19:45.54 | infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:45.58 | freemangordon | tiss: replace <firmware-image> with .bin file you've downloaded |
| 19:46.01 | Pali | tiss: and are you sure that you specified correct file? |
| 19:46.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) don't use sudo, become root |
| 19:46.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | su |
| 19:46.14 | tiss | yeah yeah of course i replaced it with the filename |
| 19:46.24 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: sudo is ok |
| 19:46.37 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: is ^^^ enough about "linux users" and 0xffff? |
| 19:46.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | then check if your file really is existing, I hope you have replaced "<firmware-image>" by the true filename |
| 19:46.52 | tiss | rx-51- blehblehbleh.bin-\,\ attachment |
| 19:47.09 | tiss | thats the filenime |
| 19:47.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: sudo sucks, for ls -l <filename> |
| 19:47.39 | Pali | tiss: please upload full output from flasher |
| 19:47.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | sudo sucks, for "cd" |
| 19:47.47 | tiss | yeah i'm not using sudo atm |
| 19:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rtaher "pwd" |
| 19:48.30 | tiss | but the end of the filename is kinda weird isn't it? i mean ".bin-, attachment" |
| 19:48.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiss: please copy your exact and complete commandline here |
| 19:48.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | incl prompt |
| 19:48.57 | tiss | ugh |
| 19:49.17 | tiss | that's kinda, impossible i'm afraid |
| 19:49.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your file is actually named like that then you did something seriosly odd |
| 19:49.31 | tiss | wireless drivers aint working on my linux installation |
| 19:50.29 | tiss | but i can't install the flasher on windows either since the download mirror isn't working (for the windows installer) |
| 19:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | your file should be named sth like: |
| 19:50.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr131 |
| 19:50.37 | infobot | combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 19:50.56 | tiss | so, i downloaded the linux installer and got on my linux mint laptop and i'm trying to do the falashing with it. |
| 19:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. "RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" |
| 19:51.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | so do a wget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 19:52.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | which shall result in a file RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin in your current dir |
| 19:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | then use sudo flasher-3.5 -F ./RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 19:52.55 | tiss | "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin-, attachment" |
| 19:52.59 | tiss | that's the whole name |
| 19:53.13 | tiss | sorry but i can't wget anything for the aforementioned reason |
| 19:53.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's terrible bullshit (sorry) |
| 19:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | please ls -l RX* |
| 19:53.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and paste the length in bytes here |
| 19:54.06 | tiss | sorry but the wireless drivers ain't working on my linux installation |
| 19:54.11 | tiss | ie. i can't connect to internet |
| 19:54.26 | tiss | i'm on my windows workstation atm |
| 19:54.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | for ls -l you don't need internet |
| 19:54.44 | freemangordon | tiss: do you have ANY network access to that laptop? |
| 19:54.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | type |
| 19:54.58 | tiss | yes, on my windows partititon |
| 19:55.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l RX* |
| 19:55.07 | tiss | won't help much tho |
| 19:55.16 | freemangordon | tiss: you got me wrong. can you ssh to it? |
| 19:55.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | then copy the number of "size" of ls output to here |
| 19:55.59 | freemangordon | or just type it, it should be 6-7 digits at most |
| 19:55.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: he doesn't need ssh to rename that oddly named file |
| 19:56.26 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I suspect he has downloaded the php script :) |
| 19:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it looks like reasonable length (and maybe md5sum) then all it needs is "mv RX* myfiasco.bin" |
| 19:56.47 | tiss | alright maybe i should rather jump out the window or something |
| 19:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I want ls -l |
| 19:56.58 | freemangordon | yeah, got it |
| 19:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiss whatever you better do, you got 100% precise instructions what you *should* do |
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| 19:57.37 | tiss | well, i typed "ls -l RX*" |
| 19:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l RX* |
| 19:59.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shall get a line like this one: |
| 19:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 200174197 28. Sep 2011 RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 19:59.28 | tiss | then it says "-rw----g--- 1 username username 200174197 june 11 2013 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin-, attachment " |
| 19:59.48 | tiss | wait a sex that g wasn't supposed to go there |
| 19:59.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | great! :-) |
| 19:59.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | no type |
| 20:00.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | mv RX* myfiasco.bin |
| 20:00.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | or replace "myfiasco.bin2 with whatever name you prefer |
| 20:00.47 | tiss | aight |
| 20:00.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | COMBINED.bin |
| 20:01.01 | tiss | done |
| 20:01.20 | tiss | das it? |
| 20:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | check again by |
| 20:01.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l my* |
| 20:01.43 | tiss | ok |
| 20:01.58 | tiss | well, its there |
| 20:02.32 | tiss | so, back to the flashing part... still says "requires an argument -- F" |
| 20:02.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | chmod 666 my* |
| 20:03.00 | tiss | ok... |
| 20:03.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | chmod 666 myfiaco* |
| 20:03.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather |
| 20:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, you see the typo |
| 20:03.27 | tiss | yeah, yeah |
| 20:03.33 | tiss | still doesn't work though |
| 20:03.49 | Pali | "requires an argument -- F" --> this mean you did not specified argument |
| 20:04.02 | Pali | because if you specify invalid file it write: "No such file or directory" |
| 20:04.16 | tiss | well, i typed "flasher-3.5 -F <myfiasco.bin> -f |
| 20:04.31 | Pali | without <>? |
| 20:04.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | sudo flasher-3.5 -F ./myfisco.bin -f |
| 20:04.49 | tiss | oh, right |
| 20:04.58 | freemangordon | <freemangordon> tiss: replace <firmware-image> with .bin file you've downloaded |
| 20:04.59 | tiss | yeah okay i feel kinda stupid now |
| 20:05.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | sudo flasher-3.5 -F ./myfiasco.bin -f |
| 20:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | even |
| 20:05.08 | tiss | it worked alright when i removed the <> |
| 20:05.18 | tiss | anyway time to take the dog out for a sex |
| 20:05.24 | tiss | bbw |
| 20:05.31 | peetah | for a sex ? |
| 20:05.32 | tiss | *sec |
| 20:05.36 | tiss | *brb |
| 20:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I loved the first version better ;-P |
| 20:05.55 | tiss | no sex for that dog anymore am afraid |
| 20:07.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiss: you probably will need to delete a file named "-f" in your current dir |
| 20:07.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | rm './-f' |
| 20:08.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rm ?f |
| 20:08.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can tell by |
| 20:08.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l *f |
| 20:08.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | or |
| 20:08.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l ?f |
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| 20:10.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders how tiss managed to get a "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin-, attachment " file |
| 20:14.06 | freemangordon | shit, my home has errors, WTF?!? |
| 20:14.24 | freemangordon | "/home" even |
| 20:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonder how Nokia managed THIS: |
| 20:15.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 200174197 25. Okt 2010 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 20:15.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 jr jr 200174197 28. Sep 2011 RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 20:15.43 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: it is easy, ubifs image has same size |
| 20:15.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, k. thanks :-) |
| 20:16.08 | Pali | they only modified files in ubifs archive |
| 20:16.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 20:16.17 | Pali | so size was not increased |
| 20:16.53 | freemangordon | Pali: I can't unmount /dev/mmcblk0p2 while in maemo, ain't? |
| 20:17.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not |
| 20:17.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need backupmenu to fsck |
| 20:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | since it runs when /home not yet mounted, aiui |
| 20:17.49 | Pali | yes, from maemo /home is unmountable |
| 20:18.05 | freemangordon | won;t fly, I don;t have it installed and apt database is corrupted :( |
| 20:18.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 20:18.52 | freemangordon | I wonder if we're hitting some hidden bug in ext3 driver aftyer the last CSSU update |
| 20:18.57 | freemangordon | *after |
| 20:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Pali> yes, from maemo /home is unmountable)) how? |
| 20:19.17 | freemangordon | as there are several reports for corrupted /home |
| 20:19.37 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: bad, I mean it is not possible to umount /home |
| 20:19.44 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: because of /opt I guess |
| 20:19.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, merlin1991 neutered fsck in boot process |
| 20:20.05 | merlin1991 | I didn't afaik the commit is from freemangordon |
| 20:20.17 | Pali | fsck should be disabled in last cssu |
| 20:20.21 | Pali | it is my commit |
| 20:20.26 | freemangordon | merlin1991: well, I just pushed, it is Pali's |
| 20:20.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | then don't feel surprised when every unclean shutdown renders your /home borked |
| 20:20.55 | Pali | I totally disabled fsck in maemo |
| 20:21.03 | Pali | until new fsck will be in cssu |
| 20:21.06 | freemangordon | oh, really? |
| 20:21.16 | freemangordon | well, i guess I can enable it |
| 20:21.28 | freemangordon | though I am afraid of the consequeces |
| 20:21.36 | Pali | maemo fsck damaged my /home (ext3) |
| 20:21.46 | freemangordon | going to dd first |
| 20:22.08 | Pali | I dd-ed to notebook, where I fixed it and dd-ed back to phone |
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| 20:22.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | quote woody: >>Thursday it is. Please mark it on your calendars.<< (to BoD) |
| 20:22.39 | Pali | there more people who reported that fsck in maemo damaged ext3 and ext4 /home |
| 20:23.02 | freemangordon | hmm, on the other hand I have u-boot, so i think i can risk a reboot with fsck |
| 20:23.58 | Pali | merlin1991: can you push new version of enabler to cssu-stable which has updated GPG key? |
| 20:24.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: it's never fsck that damages the fs, it's the unclean umount / shutdown that does. fsck at worst doesn't succeed to *fix* it |
| 20:24.11 | freemangordon | I don;t think I have anything valuable on rootfs |
| 20:24.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | /home |
| 20:24.41 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: fsck really damaged my /home after unclean shutdown |
| 20:24.45 | freemangordon | well, I'll take the risk |
| 20:24.57 | freemangordon | will backup first |
| 20:25.01 | Pali | when I called desktop version of fsck before maemo called, it repared |
| 20:25.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: no it doesn't. If fs wasn't already damaged, fsck never would even touch it |
| 20:25.11 | Pali | but when I called desktop version after maemo, it failed too |
| 20:25.25 | merlin1991 | Pali: chemist shoudl be around, or not, I'll do it |
| 20:26.06 | Pali | unclean /home + maemo fsck + desktop fsck = damaged FS; |
| 20:26.14 | Pali | unclean /home + desktop fsck = working FS |
| 20:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | that might be correct |
| 20:26.30 | Pali | in both cases it was same dump og unclean /home |
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| 20:27.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that unclean /home already been "damaged" by any meaning of the word |
| 20:27.23 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: so in this case, maemo fsck did something which also new version of fsck was not able to fix |
| 20:27.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, possible |
| 20:27.40 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: by damaged I mean, FS which is not possible to fix |
| 20:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | but removing fsck completely is not the right way to cope with that |
| 20:28.15 | Pali | and it not mountable (without some ro/force flags) |
| 20:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | since then you'll leave behind users with unclean fs |
| 20:28.41 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: yes, but it is temp solution, until we have fsck which does not damage FSs |
| 20:28.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | solution to what? |
| 20:29.05 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: also: in nokia rcS-late fsck was called *only* if mount failed |
| 20:29.17 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: solution = new version of fsck in cssu |
| 20:29.32 | kerio | e2fsprogs should be updated, yes |
| 20:29.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | you break stuff for those 95..99.9% users that never suffered fsck "damage" when fixing their unclean /home |
| 20:29.47 | Pali | and internal repared in ext3 driver can do someting |
| 20:29.58 | kerio | fwiw, i also report a massive botch of the builtin e2fsprogs |
| 20:30.14 | kerio | fsck on ext3 is useless |
| 20:30.27 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: if ext3fs is unclean, it can be still mounted by kernel driver and cleaned by internal cleaer |
| 20:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh |
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| 20:31.01 | Pali | kerio: it is usefull, it can found some abnormal file and dir states |
| 20:31.12 | kerio | no, i meant the stock one |
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| 20:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | then explain to me why we *now* see tons of users that complain that their /home is fuxored, after you *disabled* fsck all together |
| 20:31.24 | Pali | stock? right, it is useless |
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| 20:31.39 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: it was before |
| 20:31.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see that |
| 20:32.02 | Pali | fsck was enabled only in that cssu version which caused bootloop when sd card was inserted |
| 20:32.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | the way *I* read rcs-* it calls fsck to fix unclean umounts, and if you comment out that then your /home will never mount r/w again |
| 20:32.53 | Pali | and in nokia rcS-late was started only if mount failed (internal ext3fs driver was unable to run own fsck/cleaner) |
| 20:33.14 | ashley | so I installed nano (after setting up the fremantle/tools repo) via apt-get install nano and it works alright, but I think it quite doesn't treat umlaut characters (like ä and ö) correctly; a friend suggested inserting something like "export LANG=en_US.UTF-8" into .bash_profile but Maemo doesn't use bash, but ash...into what file would I put such an export statement? |
| 20:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | .profile? |
| 20:34.06 | kerio | oh, how i wish maemo actually used ash |
| 20:34.06 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: we can divide cssu into 3 versions: 1. before bootloop; 2. bootloop version; 3. fixed bootloop version |
| 20:34.08 | kerio | and not busybox |
| 20:34.17 | Pali | in 1. fsck was called if mount failed |
| 20:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | also stock messybox has a bug that actually makes it source .bashrc |
| 20:34.23 | Pali | in 2. fsck was called always |
| 20:34.32 | Pali | in 3. fsck is not called anymore |
| 20:35.00 | freemangordon | yay, booted :D. lets see what are the damages |
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| 20:35.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | "mount failed" means r/o mounts as well |
| 20:35.18 | Pali | and because internal ext3fs cleaner working fine, in option 1. fsck was in 99% not called |
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| 20:36.12 | Pali | so 1. and 3. in 99% doing same |
| 20:36.35 | ashley | DocScrutinizer05: cheers, that worked wonders :-D |
| 20:36.47 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: when fsck will be updated to version which working, then we can enable calling fsck always again |
| 20:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | /bin/mount /home && grep -q "/home ext3 rw" /proc/mounts |
| 20:37.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ... |
| 20:37.36 | freemangordon | 2013-06-11 23:35:24 fsck -a /home |
| 20:37.38 | freemangordon | fsck 1.41.3.maemo0 (12-Oct-2008) |
| 20:37.40 | freemangordon | /dev/mmcblk0p2 contains a file system with errors, check forced. |
| 20:37.42 | freemangordon | /dev/mmcblk0p2: Inode 24687 has illegal block(s). |
| 20:37.44 | freemangordon | /dev/mmcblk0p2: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. |
| 20:37.46 | freemangordon | (i.e., without -a or -p options) |
| 20:37.53 | freemangordon | :( |
| 20:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you fucked up maemo's r/o mount unclean fixing |
| 20:38.03 | tiss | alright thanks freemangordon and docscrutinizer05 |
| 20:38.15 | tiss | n900 flashed succesfully, hoorah |
| 20:38.32 | Pali | what? |
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| 20:39.01 | tiss | not sure if you got that but |
| 20:39.10 | freemangordon | got it |
| 20:39.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: maemo /etc/event.d/rcS-late calls fsck in case /home got mounted ro |
| 20:39.18 | tiss | hookay |
| 20:39.24 | tiss | now |
| 20:39.26 | tiss | goodbye forever |
| 20:39.34 | tiss | or until i next time run into problems |
| 20:39.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is the case whenever device shuts down in a not so graceful manner |
| 20:39.41 | tiss | could be soon you know |
| 20:39.44 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: this was in original nokia rcS-late |
| 20:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:40.05 | Pali | if mounting failed then it started fsck |
| 20:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it MUST stay like this, or anything *better* |
| 20:40.35 | Pali | ok, need to update fsck |
| 20:40.43 | Pali | and then new cssu can be released |
| 20:40.44 | kerio | "which is the case whenever device shuts down in a not so graceful manner" |
| 20:40.46 | kerio | wait, what? |
| 20:40.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | simply removing fsck all together fucks up 100% of users' devices during 6 months |
| 20:40.50 | kerio | ext3 is a lot more resilient than that |
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| 20:41.48 | freemangordon | goes to modify /sbin/preinit, wish him luck |
| 20:41.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: this however is ext3 ON FLASH |
| 20:42.01 | kerio | tru dat |
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| 20:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | debate is whether ext3 is any useful (more than ext2) *at all* on flash |
| 20:44.40 | kerio | i run ext4 with data=writeback and nobarrier |
| 20:44.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you come to think of it, ext3 could be *worse* than ext2, on flash storage |
| 20:44.53 | kerio | cuz i've got skillz |
| 20:45.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yes, pretty please update fsck |
| 20:46.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | lucky maemo, fsck is NOT a symlink to messybox |
| 20:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | (at least on my device, hope that's standard) |
| 20:47.57 | kerio | i doubt any e2fsck exists apart from the e2fsprogs one |
| 20:48.08 | kerio | file systems are kind of a big deal |
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| 20:48.59 | tiss | alright now, eh |
| 20:49.06 | tiss | the flashing didn't seem to do that much |
| 20:49.17 | tiss | all my media and stuff is there, also still have the same problems persisting |
| 20:49.41 | kerio | you should've flashed VANILLA too, if you wanted to do a full reset |
| 20:49.43 | tiss | see, MicroB canät finish loading sites sometimes - and then the window goes unresponsive and must be forced to close |
| 20:50.10 | tiss | any idea why this happens? |
| 20:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 20:51.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | webpage too large --> swap hell |
| 20:51.23 | tiss | yeah but that happens on all sites |
| 20:51.28 | tiss | did not use to happen, previously |
| 20:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiss: n900 has small amount of free RAM |
| 20:51.32 | tiss | it just kind of suddenly started |
| 20:52.13 | tiss | but i don't even have any applications installed |
| 20:52.20 | tiss | anymore, that is |
| 20:52.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, maybe you enabled or changed some plugin for microB? |
| 20:53.00 | tiss | well, there's adblock plus |
| 20:53.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | monitoring the system via htop is a first start to find out what's going haywire |
| 20:53.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooooh |
| 20:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, known to break stuff big time |
| 20:53.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | due to eternal lists of content to block |
| 20:53.41 | tiss | well, crap |
| 20:54.10 | tiss | lets see if removeing that helps |
| 20:54.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had the very same issue several months ago, for sure not this year |
| 20:55.04 | tiss | alright, thanks again, lets see if that happens again |
| 20:56.01 | freemangordon | Pali: any idea how to drop to shell from preinit? i created /bootmenu.sh, no use |
| 20:56.18 | freemangordon | device resets with kbd open |
| 20:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | watchdog |
| 20:57.17 | freemangordon | the point is I don't see the console |
| 20:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiss: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-28.log.html#t2013-01-28T23:00:05 |
| 21:00.06 | Pali | freemangordon: you need to load fbon driver |
| 21:00.17 | freemangordon | oh |
| 21:00.21 | Pali | and also load correct keylayout |
| 21:00.39 | Pali | and make sure that watchdog did not kick you |
| 21:00.50 | freemangordon | I guess I don;t need anything specail to run fsck.ext3 |
| 21:00.54 | freemangordon | Pali: thanks |
| 21:01.01 | Pali | do not use maemo fsck! |
| 21:01.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | tiss: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-11-18.log.html#t2012-11-18T20:49:45 |
| 21:01.12 | freemangordon | Pali: no option |
| 21:01.17 | tiss | thanks friend |
| 21:01.19 | Pali | dd to linux machine |
| 21:01.23 | Pali | and run it there |
| 21:01.37 | Pali | I had same problem and it totally damaged my /home |
| 21:01.59 | Pali | use resuceOS to backup /home |
| 21:02.07 | Pali | dd it via usb mass storage |
| 21:02.16 | Pali | to have at least some backup |
| 21:02.21 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:02.26 | freemangordon | ~rescueos |
| 21:02.26 | infobot | [rescue-os] http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ |
| 21:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: Pali: fsck is just as rogue as the cmdline parameters you give it on invokation |
| 21:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, maybe maemo fsck version is a bit old |
| 21:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure you can't do huge fs repairs on N900, no matter which fsck version, due to missing free memory to keep those gigantic lists of inodes fsck sometimes needs to handle |
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| 21:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I honestly doubt maemo fsck is fubar and inevitably breaks fs no matter what's the problem of the fs and the way you use fsck |
| 21:17.29 | kerio | it fucked up perfectly working filesystems all the... hm, 3 times i used it |
| 21:18.15 | kerio | no, 4 |
| 21:24.31 | freemangordon | does rescueos has charger script? |
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| 21:26.22 | Pali | freemangordon: yes |
| 21:26.50 | Pali | kerio, freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05: is e2fsprogs from debian wheezy ok? |
| 21:27.31 | freemangordon | Pali: tried to compile it, some missing dependencies and packaging failed |
| 21:27.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | why not? |
| 21:27.50 | freemangordon | it depends on newer libblkid and libuuid |
| 21:27.58 | freemangordon | (iirc) |
| 21:28.13 | kerio | Pali: why not the latest stable? :( |
| 21:28.44 | Pali | kerio: wheezy is last stable, isnt? |
| 21:29.19 | kerio | no, i meant the latest stable version of e2fsprogs |
| 21:29.26 | Pali | also same version is in testing and unstable |
| 21:29.36 | Pali | only experimental has new version |
| 21:30.18 | Pali | last version is 1.42.7 and debian has it in experimental |
| 21:38.55 | oldtopman | Hey everyone, I just got a brand new (to me) n900 - where can I learn about the phone (esp. the package managers/sources)? |
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| 21:41.09 | sixwheeledbeast | oldtopman: http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Beginners |
| 21:41.10 | fw190 | I have tried to find the list of candidates for HiFo but had no luck. Is there a place with the candidates list? |
| 21:41.33 | fw190 | I know that Chemist has jumped the ship |
| 21:42.00 | oldtopman | sixwheeledbeast: Thanks much, I'll read those pages before I ask something stupid :P |
| 21:42.18 | sixwheeledbeast | fw190: AFAIK GA and Chemist are candidates |
| 21:42.46 | fw190 | superb :) looks promissing but we need 3 to that tango |
| 21:43.49 | sixwheeledbeast | correct |
| 21:44.56 | fw190 | if no one has spoted it maemo irc log is stuck on 6th :) |
| 21:45.22 | fw190 | I tend to read the maemo-ssu and maemo logs every day |
| 21:45.41 | fw190 | so now I have nothing to read |
| 21:45.52 | fw190 | :) |
| 21:49.01 | sixwheeledbeast | fw190: povbot is missing |
| 21:50.02 | Pali | ~log |
| 21:50.02 | infobot | it has been said that log is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 21:50.04 | Pali | ~logs |
| 21:50.05 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 21:50.47 | Pali | fw190: logs are on second link |
| 21:50.51 | fw190 | ah I didn't know that there are two logs |
| 21:51.01 | fw190 | I always checked the first one |
| 21:51.10 | fw190 | since a few yeras |
| 21:51.15 | Pali | no, there are 3 logs :-) |
| 21:51.19 | Pali | http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/maemo/ |
| 21:51.21 | sixwheeledbeast | the first one is better |
| 21:51.58 | Pali | fw190: nslu2 has also live logs |
| 21:52.53 | Pali | see also: https://wiki.maemo.org/IRC#Logs |
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| 21:55.27 | Pali | ~#maemo log is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/maemo/ |
| 21:55.27 | infobot | ...but #maemo log is already something else... |
| 21:55.29 | fw190 | damn those habitts :) mg.pov.lt is my favorite |
| 21:56.09 | Pali | ~#maemo no, log is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/maemo/ |
| 21:56.09 | infobot | Pali: what are you talking about? |
| 21:56.28 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: how to replace ~log? |
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| 21:59.58 | freemangordon | Pali: rescueos has latest released fsck |
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| 22:04.15 | sixwheeledbeast | Pali: I dont think the ~ is required |
| 22:04.56 | Pali | infobot, no #maemo log is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/maemo/ |
| 22:04.56 | infobot | okay, Pali |
| 22:04.59 | Pali | ~log |
| 22:04.59 | infobot | somebody said log was http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/maemo/ |
| 22:05.09 | Pali | :-) |
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| 22:33.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf?? |
| 22:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | >:-( |
| 22:36.16 | kerio | ? |
| 22:36.38 | Win7Mac | Hi, whazzup? |
| 22:36.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | madness as usual |
| 22:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo log is <reply>official maemo logs are at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 22:37.42 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 22:37.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lock #maemo log |
| 22:37.58 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: locking factoid #maemo log |
| 22:40.12 | Win7Mac | will it work again some day soon? |
| 22:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | as soon as marius gets to read his mail |
| 22:42.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | or we see another freenode netsplit, or rajaniemi.freenode.net goes down |
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| 22:46.39 | Win7Mac | hope marius gets to read his mail soon, it's broken since 5 days already :( |
| 22:48.39 | Win7Mac | DocScrutinizer05, only got 1 answer to my mail yeterday... :( |
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| 23:22.55 | tiss | alright so |
| 23:22.58 | tiss | i just installed cssu |
| 23:23.01 | tiss | where are the features |
| 23:23.12 | tiss | i'm in the main menu and portrait mode certainly isnt working |
| 23:24.32 | ShadowJK | cssu-t doesn't add or change much |
| 23:27.09 | tiss | oh, right, i had to conf in terminal |
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| 23:30.56 | Win7Mac | GeneralAntilles, dude, you're fast! |
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| 23:32.24 | GeneralAntilles | Win7Mac, sometimes. What in particular? |
| 23:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, hehe. |
| 23:33.06 | GeneralAntilles | All of 6 minutes! |
| 23:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, I started about 40 minutes ago. |
| 23:33.48 | tiss | hey by the way, can you install other cssu versions after installing the stable one? |
| 23:34.24 | tiss | eg. if i wanted to try the thumb version, could i just install it normally or do i have to restore an earlier backup whre i didn't have any cssu yet? |
| 23:35.55 | Win7Mac | I read you Created page with "This page lists every candidate..." just when this came in on tmo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1351302#post1351302 |
| 23:35.57 | brzys | Hi guyz, is there way to lock screen in the landscape? |
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| 23:37.10 | GeneralAntilles | Win7Mac, lucky timing. :D |
| 23:37.35 | Win7Mac | ;) |
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| 23:53.39 | Win7Mac | GeneralAntilles, probably consider a pm to khm? |
| 23:55.05 | GeneralAntilles | hems and haws. |
| 23:55.48 | Win7Mac | hehe... |