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| 16:01.09 | sixwheeledbeast | infobot still AWOL? |
| 16:01.09 | infobot | i guess awol is Absent WithOut Leave; a military term. |
| 16:01.24 | sixwheeledbeast | oh maybe not |
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| 18:38.05 | Win7Mac | Woody14619, did the BoD-meeting somehow happen today? |
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| 18:55.32 | sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac what made you say that I haven't heard anything? |
| 19:00.07 | Win7Mac | sixwheeledbeast, no idea what you mean. Where/when did I say that? |
| 19:01.06 | sixwheeledbeast | BoD-meeting today, was there suppose to be one? |
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| 19:05.06 | Win7Mac | ahh... got it now, sorry. This: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1349527#post1349527 basically and some of the following. |
| 19:06.04 | Win7Mac | I didn#t actually expected it to happen, but today ~12:30 - 14:00 was the only offered time window this week. |
| 19:06.55 | sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: oic |
| 19:08.52 | Win7Mac | so would a meeting next week be in time for scheduled elects or would that already be too late to confirm the elects? |
| 19:09.41 | Win7Mac | AFAIK, BoD HAS to acknowledge that |
| 19:10.09 | Win7Mac | s/that/elections |
| 19:10.37 | Win7Mac | ~botsnack |
| 19:10.37 | infobot | Win7Mac: aw, gee |
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| 20:08.20 | Win7Mac | no bank account or credit card > no paypal in the US. Right or wrong? |
| 20:09.09 | Woody14619 | Win7Mac, no. Jim was unable to attend, and Rob hasn't said a peep since my reply to the nonsense he said on tmo/e-mail. Generally he's been of the policy that if all directors can't attend then he won't either. |
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| 20:09.28 | Woody14619 | Win7Mac, yes, PayPal us requires a bank accout or CC to auth against. |
| 20:10.21 | Win7Mac | woody, many thanks |
| 20:10.52 | sixwheeledbeast | That policy is balls, no wonder nothing appears to get done... |
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| 20:11.13 | Win7Mac | and the treasurer is only for bank accout or CC? |
| 20:11.21 | Win7Mac | or for paypal too |
| 20:11.21 | sixwheeledbeast | there should be a meeting if >50% are available |
| 20:11.22 | Woody14619 | It's part of why there have only been 2 meetings in the past 6 months. |
| 20:11.58 | Win7Mac | any chance for meeting IN TIME to ack elects? |
| 20:13.18 | Woody14619 | There may not been a need. Technically, a majority of directors need only inform the secretary of an action for it to count, even outside of a meeting. (Been brushing up on PA law: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/15/00.017.027.000..HTM |
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| 20:16.56 | Win7Mac | sounds promissing, hope it's not "otherwise provided or restricted in the bylaws" |
| 20:18.00 | Win7Mac | and MANY THANKS for investigating on this. sorry you have to kill time with this shit |
| 20:29.19 | Win7Mac | so is it safe to say "elects have to be acknowledged by BoD majority"? |
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| 20:38.49 | Win7Mac | ofc it is |
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| 21:31.00 | sixwheeledbeast | sighs quietly |
| 21:31.32 | Win7Mac | why |
| 21:32.09 | Win7Mac | know you just read my post |
| 21:34.20 | Win7Mac | partly OT, but that guy is obnoxious |
| 21:36.57 | sixwheeledbeast | no not you Win7Mac :) |
| 21:37.07 | Win7Mac | oh, glad to hear |
| 21:37.12 | sixwheeledbeast | more autobuilder madness |
| 21:37.19 | Win7Mac | err... not sure ;) |
| 21:37.41 | Win7Mac | yeah, heard of that |
| 21:37.54 | sixwheeledbeast | no, there is more autobuilder issues hence :sigh: |
| 21:39.04 | sixwheeledbeast | It currently seems stuck and no packages coming through (unconfirmed), also still finding packages running up huge log files. |
| 21:39.37 | Wizzup_ | sixwheeledbeast: I can confirm that my packages are not going into the actual repo (according to m.o/packages), but when I pushed my build *again* (same build version), it did make a dev |
| 21:39.41 | Wizzup_ | a deb* |
| 21:40.29 | sixwheeledbeast | there successfully built but not ending up in the repository, correct? |
| 21:40.47 | sixwheeledbeast | That what I seem to see here. |
| 21:40.58 | Wizzup_ | I think so. https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-June/thread.html (my package is uinput-mapper) |
| 21:41.39 | Wizzup_ | you can see that when I re-build build 1 it actually made a deb |
| 21:41.43 | Wizzup_ | Or at least copied the old one, maybe |
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| 21:53.50 | sixwheeledbeast | Wizzup_: yep cellnet-info and gcompris are the same. build OK, queued for repo, but no package materialized. |
| 21:58.18 | Wizzup_ | okay |
| 21:58.44 | Wizzup_ | also, I asked about this the other day, pulseaudio - it seemed it got fixed (at least in the git repo) to work with newer pulse clients/servers, but when I last tried it (cssu testing), it didn't seem to work. |
| 21:59.00 | Wizzup_ | How hard would it be to find out if that pulse version (2012,dec or something) has been uploaded to the repo yet |
| 21:59.07 | Wizzup_ | I saw something in the cssu changes about pulse, but it didn't mention fixing that bug |
| 21:59.19 | Wizzup_ | (I'd really, love, love to see this work) |
| 22:01.41 | kerio | iirc it was just a version string mismatch |
| 22:03.34 | Wizzup_ | yes, but it's not in the repo yet |
| 22:03.39 | Wizzup_ | and I'd really like it to be in there |
| 22:03.40 | Wizzup_ | :) |
| 22:03.58 | Wizzup_ | or rather, when I tried something with PULSE_SERVER="foo" mplayer bar.quux it didn't work |
| 22:04.11 | Wizzup_ | that was a few days ago |
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| 22:11.10 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 22:12.15 | sixwheeledbeast | ~wiff |
| 22:12.24 | sixwheeledbeast | :( |
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| 22:19.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wuff |
| 22:19.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bite sixwheeledbeast |
| 22:19.39 | infobot | ACTION takes a big bite out of sixwheeledbeast's jugular vein |
| 22:20.12 | sixwheeledbeast | the correct response to wiff is waff infobot |
| 22:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | SIXTEEN mb/s down! new uplink! YEAH |
| 22:21.21 | infobot | smacks sixwheeledbeast on the face. then offers a towel |
| 22:22.22 | sixwheeledbeast | try living with 261kbps :( and bleeding to death from the neck |
| 22:23.01 | sixwheeledbeast | at least I was offered a towel to mop up :) |
| 22:23.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | my network topology gets confusing |
| 22:23.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | got a router 192.168.4.x over a router 192.168.178.x |
| 22:24.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | STUN/ICE starts to become real fun |
| 22:24.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | saturn:/home # traceroute 8.8.8.8 |
| 22:24.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets using UDP |
| 22:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't ask me about DHCP |
| 22:25.47 | Win7Mac | aha... |
| 22:26.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | just so much: fritz.box doesn't work |
| 22:26.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or: I'm behind TWO NATs now |
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| 22:27.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and luckily my local router has fixed DNS addr to deliver via DHCP |
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| 22:38.45 | Win7Mac | anybody get an up-to-date log here?: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-06-06.log.html |
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| 23:01.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | winwhat's the problem? |
| 23:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | MEH!!! |
| 23:01.27 | Wizzup_ | heh |
| 23:02.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I want a LOUD beep when tab-nick-completion fails |
| 23:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup_: heh! |
| 23:03.11 | Wizzup_ | ยก |
| 23:03.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html FTW |
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| 23:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | *frowns* at www ganglia |
| 23:04.03 | Wizzup_ | soooo any idea about the pulseaudio Q? |
| 23:04.15 | Wizzup_ | I'm playing with dpkg to find out how recent my installed pulse (on n900) is |
| 23:04.26 | Wizzup_ | but maybe I should check the cssu package, and see when it was build |
| 23:04.37 | Wizzup_ | wiki.maemo.org seems slow atm |
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| 23:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | downformeoreverybody www.maemo.org? |
| 23:10.46 | Wizzup_ | It's not down, it's just super slow :) |
| 23:11.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-o |
| 23:11.36 | Wizzup_ | I'm trying to figure out how I can find out if this pulse has the patch or not... but I'm not THAT familiar with apt/dpkg |
| 23:12.31 | Pali | Wizzup_: $ apt-cache policy pulseaudio |
| 23:12.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm trying to figure out if somebody stole our I7 CPUs and replaced it by a 8951 |
| 23:12.50 | Pali | or: $ dpkg -l pulseaudio |
| 23:12.54 | Wizzup_ | yeah - I got as far as to get the version |
| 23:13.13 | Wizzup_ | now I just need to find out if whoever build the cssu pulseaudio (and when) included the patch |
| 23:13.29 | Wizzup_ | show and showpkg also don't seem to show dates |
| 23:13.46 | Pali | cssu pulseaudio version is here: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/pulseaudio |
| 23:13.52 | Wizzup_ | yes. I have seen that |
| 23:13.58 | Pali | check for version number |
| 23:13.59 | Wizzup_ | but I don't think the latest commit in there is also in the cssu |
| 23:14.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth is terribly odd with our server |
| 23:14.19 | Wizzup_ | Pali: What do you mean, version number? |
| 23:14.22 | Pali | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/pulseaudio/blobs/master/debian/changelog |
| 23:14.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | *TERRIBLY* odd |
| 23:14.40 | Wizzup_ | Pali: I see! |
| 23:14.43 | Pali | Wizzup_: apt-cache or dpkg will show you version number of pulse package |
| 23:14.44 | Wizzup_ | So it's not yet in cssu. |
| 23:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | wiki.m.o slow like old shit |
| 23:14.55 | Wizzup_ | (cssu1 is installed, needs at least cssu3) |
| 23:15.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | www.m.o "dead" |
| 23:15.19 | Wizzup_ | Who would I bug to get it included? :) |
| 23:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | monitor.m.o tells me mail.m.o has load spike |
| 23:15.38 | Pali | Wizzup_: which patch? |
| 23:15.52 | Wizzup_ | Pali: commit 5b6b484 |
| 23:16.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | blade-a at load=5 |
| 23:16.31 | Wizzup_ | Pali: When I said included, I meant get the .deb in the cssu repos |
| 23:16.36 | Wizzup_ | (the newer one) |
| 23:16.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not that blade-a couldn't handle loads up to 12) |
| 23:17.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | (but rarely ever seen it have loads >2) |
| 23:17.24 | Wizzup_ | DocScrutinizer05: perhaps the io is being killed by a backup? |
| 23:17.40 | Pali | Wizzup_: last version is in cssu-devel |
| 23:17.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | backupPC is known load |
| 23:17.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | it looks fairly different |
| 23:17.51 | Wizzup_ | Pali: ah, cssu-devel? I have not read about that yet> |
| 23:17.52 | Pali | new version of cssu-testing should be there ASAP |
| 23:18.01 | Wizzup_ | Pali: ah, you just pushed it? :) |
| 23:18.05 | Pali | also with pulseaudio |
| 23:18.16 | Pali | Wizzup_: ask merlin1991 |
| 23:18.45 | Pali | he is responsible for cssu-testing repo |
| 23:19.53 | Pali | Wizzup_: if you want to break your device, look at cssu-devel repo at TMO thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84292 |
| 23:20.03 | Wizzup_ | I like breaking devices |
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| 23:21.54 | Pali | Wizzup_: are you going to use network sound card via pulseaudio, so you need that patch? |
| 23:22.36 | Wizzup_ | yes, I want to play with networked pulseaudio |
| 23:23.30 | Wizzup_ | Pali: why? something I need to know? |
| 23:23.54 | Pali | no, just asking :-) Last time when I played with that patches it worked... |
| 23:24.07 | Wizzup_ | great |
| 23:24.13 | Wizzup_ | I've been wanting to this for years :) |
| 23:24.14 | Pali | so I included them to cssu |
| 23:24.27 | Wizzup_ | I'll check testing tomorrow |
| 23:25.05 | Pali | but pulseaudio does not have audio compression, so it is not ideal... |
| 23:25.54 | Pali | I tried to route audio from notebook via wifi to n900 and then from n900 to bluetooth headset... and there was big delay |
| 23:26.32 | Pali | (n900 act as audio mixer for my bluetooth headset) |
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| 23:27.17 | merlin1991 | Wizzup_: Pali I've uploaded the new testing today, but it failed to import because the repo machine had problems |
| 23:27.37 | Pali | ah :-( |
| 23:28.13 | Wizzup_ | Pali: well, I found that pretty much all the delay with audio comes from bluetooth |
| 23:28.24 | Wizzup_ | pulse over network (wired and wireless) was not noticable for me |
| 23:28.34 | Wizzup_ | I had a networked pulse sink for most of a year |
| 23:28.50 | Wizzup_ | merlin1991: :/ I see |
| 23:29.34 | Wizzup_ | perhaps with n900 wireless it is more noticable - I don't know |
| 23:30.05 | merlin1991 | Wizzup_: i might get the release in now |
| 23:30.06 | Pali | my bluetooth adapter in notebook is totally crapy... so I tried to use n900 bluetooth which has very good |
| 23:30.11 | Wizzup_ | merlin1991: pls let me know :) |
| 23:30.21 | Wizzup_ | Pali: yes, but in general bt is just *slow* isn't it? |
| 23:30.41 | Wizzup_ | I recall having a jack splitter with two headphones attached to it, one over bt |
| 23:30.54 | Wizzup_ | friend and I sang together, and the guy with a bt headphone was ~0.5s behind |
| 23:31.15 | Wizzup_ | I'm just saying, it's most likely mostly the bt that's slow, but it's only an educated guess |
| 23:32.17 | Pali | right, bluetooth is slow, but for unknown reason my notebook bluetooth is super slow |
| 23:32.28 | Wizzup_ | ah |
| 23:32.50 | Pali | and has smaller active distance for headset |
| 23:32.54 | Wizzup_ | well, for my netbook I had to spend a good amount of hours on the internet to find out I had to enable the radio... or something. otherwise it wouldn't scan anything |
| 23:33.02 | Wizzup_ | took me some obscure command to get it to work at all |
| 23:33.03 | Wizzup_ | :) |
| 23:33.36 | Pali | if I connect headset to n900, I have signal in all rooms... |
| 23:34.07 | Pali | but if I connect to notebook, connection is disconnected if I go 4-5 meters away... |
| 23:34.47 | Wizzup_ | heh |
| 23:35.01 | Pali | Wizzup_: is there some obscure command for fixing that stupid bluetooth? |
| 23:35.16 | Wizzup_ | Pali: was pretty specific for this machine + card |
| 23:35.17 | Pali | I'm sure problem is in notebook bluetooth, because with n900 headset working fine |
| 23:35.29 | Wizzup_ | but perhaps you can see if you can increase the strength/power |
| 23:35.46 | Pali | it is possible to increase power? |
| 23:36.03 | Pali | some linux bt.* program? |
| 23:36.25 | Pali | or hci.*? |
| 23:37.20 | Wizzup_ | it probably depends on the driver/card etc :) |
| 23:37.34 | Wizzup_ | I'd saw find card name + driver and search for weak signal |
| 23:37.36 | Pali | some broadcom usb |
| 23:37.39 | Wizzup_ | saw& |
| 23:37.40 | Wizzup_ | say** |
| 23:37.56 | Wizzup_ | although, it's ~5m normal for bluetooth? |
| 23:38.10 | Wizzup_ | s/it's/isn't/ |
| 23:38.14 | Wizzup_ | I should go to bed ;-) |
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| 23:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, since nobody missin maemo.org, we'll shit it down today |
| 23:48.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | shut, but no difference |
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| 23:56.36 | Wizzup_ | DocScrutinizer05: what do you mean nobody missing? :) |
| 23:56.53 | Wizzup_ | it seems to work again... |
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| 23:57.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, *I* fixed it. 60s ago |
| 23:58.51 | Wizzup_ | :-) what was the problem? |
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| 23:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody configured varnish on www |