| 00:00.58 | ecc3g | oh... and keep in mind the 5230/5800 batteries are inserted upside down compared to the n900... so any battery taking advantage of that won't work. |
| 00:03.12 | ds3 | as long as they are not duds |
| 00:03.39 | ds3 | I just need a decent replacement battery... my original battery is down to like 4 hours of life per charge |
| 00:04.20 | ds3 | and Amazon happens to list the XpressMusic one |
| 00:05.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | BL-5J |
| 00:06.57 | ecc3g | seems Nokia labeled a lot of phones "XpressMusic". Make sure you look for the 5800, 5230, or Nuron battery. |
| 00:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | BL-5J |
| 00:07.21 | ecc3g | Or that, if they are kind enough to write that. |
| 00:07.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | if they don't, I'd be wary to buy such item |
| 00:09.18 | ds3 | this is the guy: http://www.amazon.com/3-7V-BL-5J-Battery-Nokia-XpressMusic/dp/B005XG67DA |
| 00:09.44 | ds3 | from the reviews it seems a lot of the genuine "new" Nokia batteries are used |
| 00:09.52 | ecc3g | searching for "xpressmusic battery" in amazon.com, the first hit actually says "n900" ... |
| 00:10.53 | ecc3g | it says BL-5J, that should be fine. And that looks like a generic, I'd be wary of buying that.... |
| 00:11.09 | ds3 | generic? what do you mean? |
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| 00:11.19 | ds3 | thought 'XpressMusic' is a chinese brand? |
| 00:11.41 | ecc3g | the picture looks like a no-name battery... there's a thread on t.m.o about tested batteries... |
| 00:11.54 | ecc3g | XpressMusic is a label Nokia made. |
| 00:12.03 | ds3 | Ohhhh |
| 00:12.08 | ds3 | I saw the thread but they all refer to ebay |
| 00:12.12 | ds3 | or DX |
| 00:13.51 | ecc3g | I actually bought a Japod from DX a while back as a spare. It's still holding up. |
| 00:14.11 | ds3 | but a DX purchase is a 2-3 month investment in time |
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| 00:15.35 | ecc3g | Nokia BL5J's should be available in many local stores too if you need one fast, then.... |
| 00:15.53 | ecc3g | actually... maybe not... |
| 00:15.57 | ds3 | what is the capacity of a "BL5J"? |
| 00:16.13 | ds3 | I see references to ~900mAH and also to ~1300mAH |
| 00:16.29 | ecc3g | The only battery that is supposed to be called BL-5J is Nokia's, and it should be 1320mAH |
| 00:16.59 | ds3 | and should the packaging be a small clear bag? |
| 00:18.02 | ecc3g | I've never bought an OEM replacement so I don't know. Both the 5230 and the n900 came with OEM BL5J's and those are the only ones I have. |
| 00:18.25 | ds3 | hmmm |
| 00:18.49 | ecc3g | The Japod came in a nice box. I suspect the BL5J should come at least ina blister pack.... |
| 00:19.12 | ds3 | reviews keep complaining it was shipped in a clear bag |
| 00:19.47 | dr1fter | DocScrutinizer05: i already have a garage account authorized to upload |
| 00:20.00 | dr1fter | i just need to make my first upload |
| 00:20.22 | dr1fter | it's a java program |
| 00:20.33 | ds3 | hmmmm to chance a $5 generic battery... |
| 00:21.11 | ecc3g | should go look for the known good generics, else go for the real deal... |
| 00:21.30 | ds3 | the concern is the "real deal" are used batteries based on the reviews |
| 00:21.48 | ds3 | one listing showed a blister pack but the reviews say they were receiving a plastic baggy battery |
| 00:24.15 | ecc3g | I think you have to take the risk... hard to tell which are still good or not. |
| 00:24.30 | ds3 | in that case, I am leaning to the generics |
| 00:24.45 | ecc3g | I suspect a lot are NOS and those are suspect. |
| 00:24.49 | ds3 | the chargers on the N900 seems decently designed |
| 00:34.29 | ecc3g | I sort of dislike the onboard N900 charger... |
| 00:38.37 | ds3 | any specific complaints? |
| 00:41.47 | dr1fter | I posted my new Google Authenticator solution here -- http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1348169 |
| 00:44.46 | pavi | In case it makes people happy .. we were sitting in linux tag talking about N900 annd voila 2 of the debian devs open their phones saying they have the same . I met like 3 other people in the event . Today was surprised a neighbour got one ! |
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| 00:49.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | fun |
| 00:50.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | so when so many N900 users out there, how comes only 94 voted in council elections? |
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| 00:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | what do all those users think who's going to take care about their maemo infra in the future? |
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| 00:52.24 | pavi | No idea , maybe they all didnt know of that ? Or maybe they are just happy with their devices |
| 00:52.55 | pavi | But the good thing is people still use it despite lot of new android devices , my neighbour ditched it for nexus 4 |
| 00:53.22 | dr1fter | i want an n900 sequel |
| 00:54.24 | ds3 | Nexus 4 is a still born |
| 00:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's alot of N900 sequels out there. What you really want is a maemo5 device sequel I guess |
| 00:54.32 | pavi | dr1fter: same here ! And there are lot of people who want them |
| 00:54.47 | ds3 | the Galaxy Nexus might be a better choice |
| 00:55.09 | pavi | I want a phone with N900 keyboard and maemo on it . |
| 00:55.10 | ds3 | isn't a bunch of exNokians doing a Meego device? |
| 00:55.28 | pavi | Sailfish + jolla doesnt have keyboard "yet" |
| 00:55.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you mean jolla, and sailfish device |
| 00:55.52 | ds3 | yes |
| 00:56.07 | ds3 | btw - is there any part of Maemo5 that depends on NOLO being there? |
| 00:56.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | though i'm afraid your "meego device" claim wasn't that off |
| 00:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it seems to me that sailfish is way more HARM than fremantle, by design philosophy |
| 00:57.24 | ds3 | really tempted to put a 512M memory + DM3730 in a N900 |
| 00:57.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 00:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | for NOLO, I don't think so |
| 00:58.04 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: so its definitely end of road for fremantle . The last best one is N900 ? |
| 00:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 00:58.18 | ds3 | so if I can get U-boot running, I have a chance of running the rest of Maemo? |
| 00:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | should |
| 00:58.47 | ds3 | it is only about $300 to try |
| 00:59.03 | pavi | Did anyone preorder jolla mobile ? |
| 00:59.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | now THAT would be an awesome rework |
| 00:59.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | pavi: sure, a lot |
| 00:59.32 | pavi | Its promising but I am no sure of how much propreitary components it will have |
| 00:59.43 | ds3 | what processor is jolla based on? |
| 01:00.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | some errr forgot |
| 01:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | no OMAP iirc |
| 01:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth nasty |
| 01:00.28 | ds3 | so battery life could be a bit lacking |
| 01:00.56 | ds3 | as long as it isn't a Qcom |
| 01:01.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't processor family one of the very few hard facts they already published on their website? |
| 01:01.26 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: is it still viable to buy a n9 or should I wait for jolla if I want a "free" phone ? |
| 01:01.39 | ds3 | had not had time to scrub their site... I just saw references in liliputing.com |
| 01:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | in my book N9 never been free |
| 01:01.53 | wmarone_ | DocScrutinizer05: don't think so, only thing we know is dual core. |
| 01:02.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, ok |
| 01:02.05 | ds3 | the uSIMM is a deal breaker for the N9 |
| 01:02.37 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: by "free" I am not optimistic about complete "free " hardware . Its only openmoko which can deliver it |
| 01:02.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 01:02.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg |
| 01:02.57 | infobot | it has been said that joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 01:03.15 | ds3 | I don't mind the hw being a bit closed |
| 01:03.28 | ds3 | if it can match the N900 level, it is good enough as long as it isn't QCOM fram |
| 01:03.31 | ds3 | crap |
| 01:04.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's good enough when you're free to update kernels on your own |
| 01:04.35 | pavi | DocScrutinizer05: :) I saw a openmoko device at linuxtag berlin , and it was very highly priced . It was running opensuse :) |
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| 01:04.54 | ds3 | yes... hence I am willing to stomache the GNexus but not the N4 |
| 01:05.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably Nikolaus' gta04 openphoenux |
| 01:06.15 | SpeedEvil | why not the n4? |
| 01:06.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a great project, if only Nikolaus hadn't decided to recycle the crappy ugly shower-radio case of openmoko gta02 |
| 01:07.12 | SpeedEvil | hopes for goodness from Jolla. |
| 01:09.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, joerg is an ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 01:09.31 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 01:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo joerg |
| 01:09.41 | infobot | joerg -- created by jOERG <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (1680 days); last modified 10s ago by DocScrutinizer05!~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 51 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 6m 44s ago; it has been locked by jOERG. |
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| 10:23.33 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: nope, accepted already, still not downloading |
| 10:25.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: I have no clue what's your problem then |
| 10:25.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB zhat the EULA "Accept" expires after 1 or 2 hours |
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| 10:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | what does your "Save as..." file requester provide as destination filename? |
| 10:27.19 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: clicking on the link brings me to the browser error page |
| 10:27.30 | jon_y | browser is reporting some duplicate http headers |
| 10:27.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shall not click the link! |
| 10:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shall rightclick and select "store destination..." |
| 10:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or "download" or whatever your browser's name for it |
| 10:28.47 | jon_y | it's taking awfully long for the browser to react |
| 10:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, since when you leftclick, it will try to download the whole thing as HTML content and render it ;-P |
| 10:29.29 | jon_y | nope, error saving file |
| 10:29.51 | jon_y | right click -> save as didn't work |
| 10:30.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, works here# |
| 10:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | without any problems |
| 10:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe don't use chrome |
| 10:30.47 | jon_y | deleted cookies and all that, still not working :( |
| 10:31.00 | jon_y | actually, same thing happened in firefox |
| 10:31.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah sure with deleted cookies it does NOT work |
| 10:32.11 | jon_y | chrome says: |
| 10:32.13 | jon_y | Error 349 (net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION): Multiple distinct Content-Disposition headers received. This is disallowed to protect against HTTP response splitting attacks. |
| 10:32.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | since auth (EULA accept) is stored in cookies |
| 10:32.46 | jon_y | already went through the accept again |
| 10:32.54 | jon_y | after clearing the cookie |
| 10:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I seem to recall same problem from ~4 years ago. And it been a browser problem IIRC |
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| 10:33.37 | jon_y | well, I'll try another time |
| 10:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | googling for that error should help |
| 10:34.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't recall details how to avoid it |
| 10:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know for sure that's nothing particularly new |
| 10:34.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought it been related to chrome |
| 10:35.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I may well be mistaken on that |
| 10:39.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.gangarasa.com/lets-Do-GoodCode/fix-for-duplicate-headers-error-349-neterr_response_headers_multiple_content_disposition/ |
| 10:39.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Fix for Duplicate Headers Error 349 (net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION) |
| 10:39.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | This error was bugging me whole of last week. This error is specific to Google Chrome. Not a bug in chrome itself though, as other browsers ignore duplicate headers, this seems like an issue with Chrome. |
| 10:40.17 | jon_y | serverside fix? |
| 10:41.05 | Macer | does safari do it? |
| 10:42.11 | jon_y | retried with firefox, nope |
| 10:42.19 | jon_y | I don't have safari |
| 10:42.46 | jon_y | firefox says: The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because an error in the data transmission was detected. |
| 10:43.00 | jon_y | trying explorator |
| 10:43.35 | jon_y | IE works :| |
| 10:43.51 | Macer | i'm asking because maybe it's a wk problem? |
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| 10:44.14 | Macer | webkit2 fail? :) |
| 10:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: please send URL that fails to download. I will try to spot the PHP file on server and fix it |
| 10:44.39 | Macer | opera is supposed to be using webkit soon :-/ |
| 10:44.46 | jon_y | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z <- |
| 10:44.46 | Macer | they're abandoning presto |
| 10:44.49 | jon_y | fails |
| 10:44.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 10:45.10 | jon_y | reached after accepting and clicking on the 7z link |
| 10:45.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* again, you shall not click on the link |
| 10:46.08 | Macer | Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.htm <- that's what opera tries to download |
| 10:46.09 | jon_y | I am getting the same results regardless |
| 10:46.29 | jon_y | right click says error saving download in firefox |
| 10:46.37 | jon_y | chrome doesn't even do anything |
| 10:46.52 | jon_y | anyway, download works on IE10 |
| 10:48.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I confirm FF fails to download it |
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| 10:48.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and look, IE works. We faithfully copied what Nokia gave to us ;-P |
| 10:49.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((I'll try to fix it serverside)) |
| 10:49.25 | jon_y | this is to prevent robo downloading? |
| 10:49.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, this is "we're too lame to check with anything else than windows" |
| 10:57.52 | Macer | heh |
| 11:01.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, please help me out, noob here: header("Content-Type: application/octet-stream"); // TODO proper mime type |
| 11:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | is what I see in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
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| 11:03.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | AAAHAHAHAHA |
| 11:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I fixed it dead |
| 11:04.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I uncommented header("Content-Disposition: attachment;filename=".@urlencode($filename)); |
| 11:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yesterday |
| 11:07.09 | Macer | it works now |
| 11:07.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually 4 days ago |
| 11:07.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't change anything ;-P |
| 11:07.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yet |
| 11:07.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 repository repository 5988 May 27 20:22 /var/tabletsdev/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 11:08.24 | Macer | oh. well. i can get to downloads.php and am downloading the sdk 7z |
| 11:08.44 | Macer | i need to get the img for my n810 heh |
| 11:08.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | johnsu01: please retry |
| 11:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I can as well test it on FF |
| 11:09.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, fixed |
| 11:09.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for the inconvenience |
| 11:09.52 | Macer | where can i get the maemo4 images? |
| 11:11.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: please download now! |
| 11:11.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | with FF |
| 11:11.53 | Macer | oh i found it |
| 11:11.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | or whatever your preferred browser |
| 11:12.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: thought as much |
| 11:12.09 | Macer | nokia is still hosting the maemo images? |
| 11:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not hard to find |
| 11:12.20 | Macer | yeah didn't see that part on the bottom right :) |
| 11:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: well, no |
| 11:12.35 | Macer | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php |
| 11:13.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | look, an URL is not a good indicator about who's hosting the stuff |
| 11:13.08 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: awesome, it works |
| 11:13.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: ^^^ |
| 11:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess why! and hush! |
| 11:13.48 | jon_y | too many underscores? |
| 11:14.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: read backscroll |
| 11:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.09 | jon_y | oh, akamai problem |
| 11:15.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be broken on tabletsdev.maemo.org now |
| 11:15.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I kicked it 4 days ago to make it work on td.m.o |
| 11:16.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | but please let's not discuss this further |
| 11:17.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a tad... complicated |
| 11:18.00 | Macer | nice. downloaded diablo heh |
| 11:18.22 | Macer | can i flash it with flasher3.5? |
| 11:18.27 | Macer | or do i need to use the older flasher? |
| 11:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hosted by maemo.org. Delivered to you by courtesy akamai |
| 11:18.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and *shhhhhh!* |
| 11:19.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | we'll keep it working as long as it lasts |
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| 11:20.44 | Macer | Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for Debian based Linuxes (x86, 32-bit) |
| 11:20.51 | Macer | nice :) guess 3.5 works for diablo |
| 11:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 11:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | should work |
| 11:21.51 | Macer | too bad my n810 took a dive a while back |
| 11:21.58 | Macer | the tracks don't slide like they used to :-/ |
| 11:21.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it doesn't, I *think* a can dig up the ancient original SSU flasher somewhere still |
| 11:22.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | so oint them, man! |
| 11:23.05 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: somehow tizen is still alive |
| 11:23.19 | jon_y | I saw some news on a conference |
| 11:23.57 | jon_y | the cynic in me tells the there is no n900 replacements there, only android and ios knock offs |
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| 11:24.22 | Macer | well. that's odd |
| 11:24.30 | Macer | that small plastic cover for the sd port just sort of fell off? |
| 11:24.32 | Macer | wow |
| 11:25.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | friggin frenode server DoS issue again |
| 11:25.55 | Macer | i think efnet too heh |
| 11:26.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~…ping |
| 11:26.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut |
| 11:26.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping |
| 11:26.42 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 11:27.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | what did my first ping look like? |
| 11:28.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | could any of you echo please? |
| 11:28.10 | jon_y | ~<some symbol>ping |
| 11:28.17 | jon_y | some dots |
| 11:28.30 | jon_y | ~…ping |
| 11:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that <some symbol> looks like "..." here |
| 11:28.51 | jon_y | my font must be too small |
| 11:28.57 | jon_y | right, those 3 |
| 11:29.17 | jaska | my blood pressure goes up a few bar everytime i see the ...-character |
| 11:29.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless it vanished with one backspace, and no in history line looks like plain "ping" |
| 11:29.34 | Macer | ~flashing |
| 11:29.34 | infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 11:29.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc how I managed to get that "..." |
| 11:30.13 | jaska | some clients/terminals might turn three consecutive dots into the tridot ellipsis thingy |
| 11:30.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: 8x0? |
| 11:30.37 | jon_y | jaska: I think it depends on irc clients |
| 11:30.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | for 8x0 see wiki history of flashing page |
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| 11:30.45 | jon_y | irssi doesn't do it for me |
| 11:31.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | massive edits for n900-only kinda garbled it for N810 users |
| 11:31.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I added a link to the relevant historical version, long ago |
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| 11:43.33 | Macer | heh... i will do it later. i am not feeling very well today |
| 11:43.51 | Macer | i injured my rib so it may be the norco |
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| 11:48.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 11:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | get well soon |
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| 12:17.21 | vi__ | ~frank zappa |
| 12:17.40 | vi__ | ~rape infobot |
| 12:17.40 | infobot | ACTION takes infobot behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 12:17.57 | vi__ | ~rape itself |
| 12:17.57 | infobot | ACTION takes itself behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 12:18.07 | vi__ | ~!999 |
| 12:18.42 | vi__ | ~smite infobot |
| 12:18.43 | infobot | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves infobot from crown to sole. |
| 12:18.54 | vi__ | ~gentoosmite infobot |
| 12:18.54 | infobot | ACTION spends 7 days recompiling infobot, and when it's all done, infobot runs 0.2% faster than previously |
| 12:19.02 | jaska | skynet. |
| 12:19.08 | vi__ | ~skynet |
| 12:19.08 | infobot | ACTION kicks skynets ass! |
| 12:19.16 | jaska | heh |
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| 12:19.39 | vi__ | infobot couldn't kick an ass in a boot factory. |
| 12:22.49 | infobot | kicks vi_'s ass |
| 12:23.58 | *** mode/#maemo [+o infobot] by ChanServ |
| 12:24.19 | *** mode/#maemo [-o infobot] by ChanServ |
| 12:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys zappa |
| 12:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues FZ |
| 12:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues zappa |
| 12:27.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~information |
| 12:27.22 | infobot | Information is not Knowledge \ Knowledge is not Wisdom \ Wisdom is not Truth \ Truth is not Beauty \ Beauty is not Love \ Beauty is a French phonetic corruption of a short, cloth, neck ornament.currently in resurgence. \ Love is not Music \ Music is THE BEST |
| 12:28.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wisdom |
| 12:28.20 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, wisdom is http://double-chinned.mirror.waffleimages.com/data/d8/d881c8b68df1bc81c582650da8a86cc4d1b0930e.jpg |
| 12:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought wisdom was the domain of the wis (which is extinct) |
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| 14:04.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
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| 15:09.53 | tadzik | "!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy" -- does that ring a bell? |
| 15:10.10 | tadzik | trying to install Pali's u-boot |
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| 15:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no leading !!! |
| 15:41.14 | tadzik | well, there is here |
| 15:45.06 | tadzik | 'apt-get install' didn't complain :/ |
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| 15:58.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, since apt-get doesn't know about 3rd party policy |
| 15:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither about trust levels |
| 15:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you can tell HAM to ignore them, if you want to do that |
| 16:02.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you wonder - that message means that the package you try to install (or some of its dependencies) are already installed on your system, and since the source they got installed from had a higher trust level than the repo you're trying to install them from right now, HAM refuses to replace the existing version with a less secure one |
| 16:03.36 | tadzik | ah, I see |
| 16:05.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might have put it marginally incorrect or incomplete, but basically that's it |
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| 16:46.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and to find "ignore 3rd party policy" in HAM's menu, you need to set it to ~redpill mode |
| 16:48.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually "Ignore the third party packages policy in SSU" |
| 16:49.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Ignore packages from wrong domains" sounds related, probably you should uncheck it |
| 16:52.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | some background info: as you might have heard, the pgp key in Nokia repos has expired. This means the repo loses its trust level |
| 16:52.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | not much that CSSU team or techstaff team or package maintainers/developers could do about it. |
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| 17:44.25 | freemangordon | .msg ns freemangordon |
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| 17:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | /ns ? |
| 17:51.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | or /msg nickserv |
| 17:51.29 | freemangordon | looks fine |
| 17:51.34 | freemangordon | already chacked |
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| 17:53.22 | Win7Mac | anybody mind me joining the meeting later? |
| 17:54.08 | sixwheeledbeast1 | Win7Mac: it's in 7 minutes and it's available for all :) |
| 17:54.27 | Win7Mac | in 1h 7mins |
| 17:55.56 | sixwheeledbeast | 18:00 UTC |
| 17:56.10 | Win7Mac | ah yeah you're right |
| 17:57.08 | Win7Mac | just hope the agenda is crystal clear |
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| 19:49.59 | merlin1991 | anybody with a little insight on the n_gsm line discipline in here? I get it to activate but when I try to open any gsmttyX devices I fail with level 2 halted (EL2HLT) |
| 19:50.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: see /query |
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| 20:21.24 | GeneralAntilles | sixwheeledbeast, I can help with the council page if you need it. |
| 20:23.01 | sixwheeledbeast | If you want. it's no problem if not I will do it this weekend, just busy at moment. |
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| 20:26.55 | GeneralAntilles | OK |
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| 21:18.15 | sixwheeledbeast | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_2013 updated, thanks to Win7Mac. |
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| 21:18.38 | Win7Mac | my pleasure! |
| 21:18.50 | sixwheeledbeast | looking at CC page now |
| 21:19.14 | Win7Mac | whats that cc page? |
| 21:19.44 | Win7Mac | community council news? |
| 21:21.03 | sixwheeledbeast | cc main wiki page. It's got a lot of columns an special formatting so takes patience. |
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| 21:30.14 | Win7Mac | sixwheeledbeast, link please |
| 21:30.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | /topic |
| 21:30.42 | sixwheeledbeast | please don't edit I am working on it. |
| 21:30.53 | Win7Mac | I'm not |
| 21:30.58 | sixwheeledbeast | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council |
| 21:31.03 | sixwheeledbeast | ~CC |
| 21:31.03 | infobot | rumour has it, cc is Candy Cruncher. Download from http://eongames.com/downloads/candycruncher_1.50.11_arm.ipk - pre-release version right now. ClearCase, a CM tool. Curse Client found at http://www.curse.com/client |
| 21:31.21 | sixwheeledbeast | is there a factiod for that? |
| 21:31.32 | sixwheeledbeast | ~council |
| 21:31.33 | infobot | hmm... council is The Maemo Community Council is a five-person body chosen by the Maemo community. The Council's mission is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information." http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council |
| 21:31.37 | sixwheeledbeast | ah |
| 21:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues Community_Council |
| 21:32.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | uh? |
| 21:32.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF? |
| 21:32.56 | sixwheeledbeast | Candy Cruncher wtf? |
| 21:32.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues indows |
| 21:33.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget for anyone else who was wondering: cosmicpenguin |
| 21:33.33 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot for anyone else who was wondering: cosmicpenguin |
| 21:34.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues wisdom |
| 21:34.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues isdom |
| 21:35.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues Council |
| 21:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues Council |
| 21:36.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, strange |
| 21:37.14 | Win7Mac | ~strange |
| 21:37.15 | infobot | methinks strange is a happy member of debian-br project (ask me about), <rsandrin@ccinet.com.br> |
| 21:37.36 | Win7Mac | huh... |
| 21:38.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-05-31 23:37:54] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on strange (account strange): |
| 21:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-05-31 23:37:54] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered : Jul 27 21:12:08 2009 (3 years, 44 weeks, 1 day, 00:25:45 ago) |
| 21:39.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal council |
| 21:39.19 | infobot | "council" is "The Maemo Community Council is a five-person body chosen by the Maemo community. The Council's mission is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information." http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council" |
| 21:39.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues council |
| 21:40.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues community |
| 21:40.32 | Win7Mac | infobot: strange is also when you experience something completely unexpected |
| 21:40.32 | infobot | okay, Win7Mac |
| 21:40.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 21:41.01 | Win7Mac | :-) |
| 21:42.04 | Win7Mac | ~strange |
| 21:42.04 | infobot | hmm... strange is a happy member of debian-br project (ask me about), <rsandrin@ccinet.com.br>, or when you experience something completely unexpected |
| 21:42.28 | Win7Mac | infobot: good |
| 21:42.28 | infobot | good is, like, a static const pointer to KDE |
| 21:42.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder why the heck it doesn't find value "council" nor "community" in factoid ~council |
| 21:42.41 | Win7Mac | LOL |
| 21:43.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe because of the diuble-ricks? |
| 21:43.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | double-ticks even |
| 21:44.07 | Win7Mac | ~council |
| 21:44.07 | infobot | [council] The Maemo Community Council is a five-person body chosen by the Maemo community. The Council's mission is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information." http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council |
| 21:44.18 | sixwheeledbeast | please check ~council for update, check all links are correct. I have currently only done MCC. The Main:Template will need discussing about removing Nokia bits. |
| 21:52.33 | sixwheeledbeast | ~beasttweaks |
| 21:53.15 | sixwheeledbeast | infobot ~beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts |
| 21:53.16 | infobot | okay, sixwheeledbeast |
| 21:53.23 | sixwheeledbeast | ~beasttweaks |
| 21:53.45 | sixwheeledbeast | ~ping |
| 21:53.45 | infobot | ~pong |
| 21:54.06 | sixwheeledbeast | ~beasttweaks |
| 21:54.34 | sixwheeledbeast | infobot: forget infobot ~beasttweaks |
| 21:54.34 | infobot | i didn't have anything called 'infobot ~beasttweaks' to forget, sixwheeledbeast |
| 21:54.43 | sixwheeledbeast | doh |
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| 21:55.00 | Win7Mac | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.00 | infobot | Win7Mac: i already had it that way |
| 21:55.22 | sixwheeledbeast | hmm |
| 21:55.38 | Win7Mac | you forgot ":" |
| 21:55.43 | sixwheeledbeast | I know |
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| 21:56.15 | sixwheeledbeast | it should work now |
| 21:56.35 | sixwheeledbeast | is cc page ok |
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| 22:01.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't mix ~ attention char with factoid name |
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| 22:01.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys beasttweaks |
| 22:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~~beasttweaks |
| 22:02.20 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, ~beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts |
| 22:02.32 | sixwheeledbeast | so hen creating factiod do not use ~ I see |
| 22:02.40 | sixwheeledbeast | s/hen/when/ |
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| 22:03.09 | sixwheeledbeast | infobot: forget ~beasttweaks |
| 22:03.09 | infobot | sixwheeledbeast: i forgot ~beasttweaks |
| 22:03.40 | sixwheeledbeast | infobot: beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts |
| 22:03.40 | infobot | sixwheeledbeast: okay |
| 22:03.47 | sixwheeledbeast | ~beasttweaks |
| 22:03.47 | infobot | methinks beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts |
| 22:03.52 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
| 22:03.59 | sixwheeledbeast | ~botsnack |
| 22:03.59 | infobot | aw, gee, sixwheeledbeast |
| 22:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks infobot |
| 22:04.25 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: no problem |
| 22:04.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 22:04.42 | sixwheeledbeast | I'm learning :) |
| 22:04.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, forget that |
| 22:04.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's very special |
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| 22:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's the only thing that doesn't need highlight or attention char |
| 22:06.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it works only 25% of time |
| 22:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | since bot is schizoid, sometimes runs as ibot, sometimes as apt, sometimes as purl |
| 22:06.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks ibot |
| 22:07.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | tomorrow this might work |
| 22:07.13 | Win7Mac | so, guise ;-) ...nominations are open! |
| 22:07.30 | Win7Mac | will we see some councilors there as well? |
| 22:08.58 | Win7Mac | Doc, probably even place that banner I sent you? |
| 22:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I would prefer two disjunct bodies for BoD and HFC |
| 22:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | for banners on tmo please contact tmo maintainer |
| 22:09.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka master mod |
| 22:10.09 | Win7Mac | what if there're <5? |
| 22:10.19 | Win7Mac | yeah, i know |
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| 22:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | see bylaws |
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| 22:14.17 | Win7Mac | you wouldn't jump in? - I hoped so |
| 22:16.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I clearly stated that I can't handle it neither by schedule nor by physical energy |
| 22:17.34 | Win7Mac | I sure see the benefits of a "controll-instance" by different people in both bodies, but OTOH it has benefits as well when you don't have to fight, as by now |
| 22:17.42 | Win7Mac | thats reasonable |
| 22:18.18 | Win7Mac | but I wouldn't mind a councilor in BoD |
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| 22:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, there are 3 more to ask |
| 22:19.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 4th has already declined and will not be councilor by the time of BoD voting, at least aiui |
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| 22:20.37 | Win7Mac | I'd even go so far to put it in bylaws that 1 councilor has to be in BoD, just to assure correspondance actually happens if roof's on fire ;-) |
| 22:21.07 | Win7Mac | no idea how to handle that though |
| 22:21.25 | Win7Mac | the 4th? |
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| 22:50.00 | Sc0rpius | no promotion to extras-testing yet :'( |
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| 22:57.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | which package? |
| 22:58.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | (though that doesn't help much, since thumbs-up and promotion from testing to extras doesn't work either) |
| 22:58.48 | sixwheeledbeast | Does promotion work yet. I tried ages ago on a couple of packages. |
| 23:02.42 | sixwheeledbeast | night all o/ |
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