| 00:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: info:/libc/Noncanonical Input |
| 00:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | > >The MIN slot is only meaningful in noncanonical input mode; it specifies the minimum number of bytes that must be available in the input queue in order for `read' to return.<< |
| 00:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | > >The TIME slot is only meaningful in noncanonical input mode; it specifies how long to wait for input before returning, in units of 0.1 seconds.<< |
| 00:11.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, it seems there's no option to make nifty stuff like "send on NL" happen |
| 00:38.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: though there's those obscure tabN, crN etc "delay mode settings" which I have no clue what they do |
| 00:39.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be delays to allow slow tty to move carriage before next char to type gets sent, after cr, nl, tab, del, ... |
| 00:40.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then I fail to grok why most have only 0|1, just cr has 0|1|2|3 |
| 00:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | if those were delays, they should have a parameter in fractions of a second, not 2 or 4 modes |
| 00:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | so might be: cr0->don't send buffer on cr; cr1->send buffer on cr; cr2->send buffer on cr+nl, cr3->send buffer on nl+cr |
| 00:44.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | tab1->send buffer on tab, aso... |
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| 01:12.34 | T_X1 | I'm currently trying to chroot into a debootstrapped debian-sid, but looks like 2.6.28 (power kernel) is too old (FATAL: kernel too old). any ideas what else I could try? |
| 01:14.08 | T_X1 | is there an easy way to get a newer kernel version running or would that be a little more tricky? |
| 01:15.45 | T_X1 | (actually I just want to get opusenc running on maemo, but looks like that isn't in maemo, not even the community ssu. and thought a debootstrap would be the easiest way) |
| 01:16.30 | rikanee | T_X1: you're SOL, the glibc's targeted 2.6.32, IIRC |
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| 01:24.16 | T_X1 | rikanee: hm, okay. thx. do you happen to know what the minimum kernel would be for debian-wheezy (which has opus-tools, too, I think)? or how to figure that out? |
| 01:24.39 | T_X1 | otherwise, I guess I'll just have to try |
| 01:26.12 | rikanee | Debian's minimum supported kernel is the last supported one on kernel.org at time of release, which is ~2.6.32 (Wheezy) |
| 01:26.40 | rikanee | that makes Squeeze the last version of Debian supported by Maemo kernel |
| 01:27.14 | T_X1 | rikanee: hm, okay, thx. though squeeze doesn't have opus-tools, hm |
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| 01:27.56 | rikanee | T_X1: you're just going to have to build it, I guess |
| 01:28.46 | T_X1 | oki doki |
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| 02:28.52 | shawnjefferson | GogoPogo: you want to change your wlan mac get macchanger package. or cleven which gives you a gui to that package |
| 02:30.20 | shawnjefferson | if you're pentesting and want to try throw the blue team off, be careful not to connect with your real mac first. ;) |
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| 09:53.12 | vi__ | word. |
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| 10:09.06 | sixwheeledbeast | o/ |
| 10:09.13 | royjaber | hi |
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| 10:28.24 | divVerent | damn, I have a package here (librlog5) from Debian that cannot be uploaded via the Extras assistant |
| 10:28.30 | divVerent | the assistant does not ask for one of the two source files |
| 10:28.42 | divVerent | had hoped it'll ask later, but it did not |
| 10:28.56 | divVerent | waiting for my ssh key to get added then so I can dput |
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| 10:34.27 | divVerent | would BTW guess this build had the very same issue: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-May/108901.html |
| 10:39.54 | tadzik | hahaa, MWN: "talk.maemo.org reorginaziation moves Jolla/Sailfish into a primary subforum" |
| 10:40.02 | tadzik | not sure if accidental, or perfect troll |
| 10:41.02 | divVerent | we need to reinvent MS comic chat... so it finds fitting meme images for lines where applicable... e.g. in your case it should have shown the futurama guy pic |
| 10:41.25 | divVerent | if there is no match at all, it'll screw up spelling and use a cat |
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| 10:48.59 | Apic | A wonderful Pungenday to You all. |
| 10:54.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: help me out plz dont see the pun |
| 10:58.53 | tadzik | DocScrutinizer05: reorgiNAZIation |
| 10:59.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh |
| 10:59.48 | tadzik | not sure if that even qualifies as a pun, just a Fruedian slip of some sort, probably ;) |
| 11:01.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | as the author ;-) |
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| 11:03.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | friggin DHL, once again "wasn't able to deliver" a package to me, so I now need to figure where to pick up my MX5500 |
| 11:05.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | asK* the author ;-) |
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| 11:09.33 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: I have a friend with that mouse not keen on the scroll wheel. |
| 11:11.02 | divVerent | what is the cause of this: |
| 11:11.04 | divVerent | [2013-05-28 11:07:01] REJECTED: Can't find 'architecture' field in dsc file |
| 11:11.08 | divVerent | the .dsc contains the field |
| 11:11.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest compare to a working .dsc |
| 11:12.09 | divVerent | yes, this one has linux-any kfreebsd-any |
| 11:12.12 | divVerent | a working one has just any |
| 11:12.18 | divVerent | so that's what I am trying now |
| 11:13.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh lol, even better: DHL tracking has "wasn't able to deliver" but the package was in front of my door |
| 11:14.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: I'd be willing to buy the mouse |
| 11:14.33 | sixwheeledbeast | He likes it I hate it :) |
| 11:14.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: what's his objections against the wheel? |
| 11:14.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
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| 11:15.31 | divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: that is nice... so, send that to the vendor and get a second item :) |
| 11:15.36 | divVerent | j/k |
| 11:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | tempting |
| 11:16.04 | sixwheeledbeast | smooth mode has no feedback and bumpy mode isn't bumpy enough. but I am being fussy TBH. |
| 11:16.42 | sixwheeledbeast | I like the rechargeable battery and darklaser thing works very well on any surface. |
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| 11:25.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | how ould a feedback for smoothmode look like? |
| 11:25.56 | sixwheeledbeast | lol. I mean you feel like you are not in control of it. :P |
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| 11:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | on the too soft bumpy mode, I can completely understand. That's why in my MX Revolution during 3rd fixing I increased the load of the spring doing the bumps |
| 11:27.09 | sixwheeledbeast | give it an aggressive swipe and you could be in Africa... |
| 11:27.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | the whole point of smooth mode is that the wheel runs at 10 RPM for 5 or even 10s and you can give it further kicks to extend the spinning period |
| 11:28.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you can stop the whell any time, absolutely natural |
| 11:28.50 | sixwheeledbeast | the bumps are too far apart IMO. but as I say I am fussy about my mouse, hence why I have a M$ one. |
| 11:28.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it should switch back to bumpy mode as soon as you stop it |
| 11:30.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity is that linux doesn't support mousebuttons >5 that reasonably |
| 11:31.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I have 5 buttons on that mouse which usually don't doo anything useful |
| 11:33.15 | divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: can a package be marked so it only builds for armel but not i386? |
| 11:33.31 | divVerent | encfs's dependencies are fulfilled for armel but not i386... some moron[tm] forgot to upload libfuse-dev for i386 |
| 11:34.47 | divVerent | probably this is the Architecture: field too, just wonder which value to use for armel... just armel, or linux-armel |
| 11:36.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, look for a pkg that has only one arch, check the .dsc |
| 11:36.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 11:36.18 | divVerent | yes, that far I already know |
| 11:36.23 | divVerent | I just know no package with just one arch :) |
| 11:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | err >>some moron[tm] forgot to upload libfuse-dev for i386<< |
| 11:37.11 | divVerent | and yes, I could try doing that myself, but I do not want to touch a library package others use too that early :) |
| 11:37.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you still miss my point |
| 11:37.32 | divVerent | OH, I see what you were getting at |
| 11:37.45 | divVerent | and I thought that means the some moron[tm] just did a binary-upload |
| 11:38.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually there's no such thing like binary uploads |
| 11:38.20 | divVerent | yay, encfs is now OK |
| 11:38.25 | divVerent | so Architecture: armel was a good guess |
| 11:38.43 | divVerent | except that I am now such a "some moron" too... |
| 11:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
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| 11:39.13 | divVerent | so maybe I should soon try figuring out WHY fuse-dev is architecture restricted, and possibly fix it |
| 11:39.19 | tadzik | lpt: check git-blame before you say "what idiot wrote that" ;) |
| 11:39.38 | divVerent | I mean |
| 11:39.53 | divVerent | I wonder how big the chain of these "some morons" is... like, if FUSE depends on something else that Nokia never provided for i386 |
| 11:40.14 | divVerent | why do we have a Maemo i386 repo anyway? Is this just for the SDK? |
| 11:40.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 11:40.50 | sixwheeledbeast | :nond: |
| 11:41.06 | sixwheeledbeast | s/:nond:/:nod:/ |
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| 11:41.36 | divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: ok, then maybe it was just arch-restricted because FUSE stuff isn't really very useful on the SDK |
| 11:41.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible |
| 11:42.21 | sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg |
| 11:42.21 | infobot | pkg is, like, http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 11:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I could think of useful usecases |
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| 11:43.30 | divVerent | I see, sshfs is already in the repos... that means now with encfs, all two properly working FUSE FSes are there :) |
| 11:44.26 | divVerent | BTW, I still have to admit I did all this without having the SDK installed anywehre... just from my Debian server. And did notice some differences... |
| 11:44.35 | divVerent | why the .... did Maemo have to rename the boost packages? :) |
| 11:45.06 | divVerent | or rather, the unversioned metapackages are missing |
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| 11:52.45 | divVerent | haha, another difference: for some reason, "fuse" exists on the build server but not in the extras repo. Fix: use fuse-utils as dependency |
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| 11:57.04 | divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: damn, I broke something... https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-May/108939.html this repeats now "forever". Now I know to ALWAYS bump the version :( |
| 12:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you could find a *.maemo.org page where I could try to do sth via midgard, that could help |
| 12:01.27 | vi__ | ~tm0 |
| 12:01.27 | infobot | well, tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans |
| 12:01.39 | jaska | troll.maemo.org |
| 12:02.32 | divVerent | I _might_ have a way to fix it... but all I can do is scp |
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| 12:04.17 | divVerent | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php - anyway, the first of the two encfs packages is to be deleted |
| 12:05.57 | divVerent | exists(path) |
| 12:05.59 | divVerent | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.01 | divVerent | wonder if I can fix it knowing this |
| 12:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, what? https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php doesn't yield anything useful for me |
| 12:06.56 | divVerent | no, can not |
| 12:07.11 | divVerent | fremantle build queue |
| 12:07.20 | divVerent | the top one of the two, encfs_1.7.4-2.4, is to be cancelled |
| 12:07.24 | divVerent | encfs_1.7.4-2.4maemo1 will work |
| 12:08.02 | divVerent | alternatively, deleting /mnt/incoming-builder/fremantle/rejected/encfs* on the build server will also fix the loop |
| 12:08.35 | divVerent | i can't do that (because scp cannot copy symlinks :P) |
| 12:08.46 | divVerent | sorry for that |
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| 12:10.32 | divVerent | same happened on Apr 28 before :) |
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| 12:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/0ab75a7383 have fun! |
| 12:16.35 | divVerent | what does this tell me? |
| 12:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope more than me |
| 12:17.34 | divVerent | it just doesn't match the paths I dput to |
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| 12:18.14 | divVerent | deleting scratchbox/users/builder1/home/builder1/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/encfs_1.7.4-2.4* should be safe though |
| 12:18.27 | divVerent | but I can't say this will fix it for good... is that the only machine involved with building? |
| 12:19.56 | divVerent | what looks especially odd is that none of this found the files with maemo1 in the name (the new attempt I uploaded with non conflicting version) |
| 12:20.03 | divVerent | so you may be on the wrong server |
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| 12:21.17 | divVerent | if this helps, /mnt/incoming-builder/fremantle/rejected/encfs_1.7.4-2.4.dsc is the path that conflicts |
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| 12:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're dputting to drop.m.o which has a NFS mount to bulder.m.o aiui |
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| 12:31.51 | divVerent | sounds right |
| 12:31.53 | divVerent | that far |
| 12:32.11 | divVerent | but if you hit the right mount, you also should see files named after encfs_1.7.4-2.4maemo1 |
| 12:32.15 | divVerent | which your "find" output did not show |
| 12:33.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Autobuilder_and_friends if you bother to investigate/learn. I'm out, got pressing stuff to do and no idea about that builder stuff anyway. I'll just have a look tonight (now+6h+) and muse about the pieces of the explosion |
| 12:33.30 | divVerent | ok |
| 12:33.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | just one last thing to do... |
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| 12:34.53 | divVerent | ah, so the solution is to find the files on garage, not builder1, and delete the encfs_1.7.4-2.4 files |
| 12:35.16 | divVerent | personally I can wait, but I feel a bit sorry for people who have the mailing list of cauldron subscribed... |
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| 13:01.57 | divVerent | anyway, while I am breaking stuff: |
| 13:01.59 | divVerent | dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.icd2 /com/nokia/icd2 com.nokia.icd2.disconnect_req uint32:0x8000 |
| 13:02.04 | divVerent | how to extend this to disconnect GPRS only, but not wifi? |
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| 13:04.08 | divVerent | I tried adding the args string: uint32:0 string: string:GPRS uint32:0 array:byte: |
| 13:05.21 | divVerent | the method does exist with the signature, from dbus-send's reply, but the command does nothing then |
| 13:07.31 | sixwheeledbeast | have you tried: string:" " uint32:0 |
| 13:09.25 | divVerent | a space? funny |
| 13:10.36 | divVerent | no, does not help |
| 13:11.24 | sixwheeledbeast | I thought IAP_ID for GPRS is a space? |
| 13:12.13 | divVerent | it is? trying that then |
| 13:12.29 | divVerent | no, does not help either |
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| 13:14.30 | divVerent | from the state_sig I get when connecting, the parameters are "", 0, "", "GPRS", 83886080, then "Sunrise Internet" encoded as array:byte: |
| 13:14.50 | divVerent | thing is, I'd prefer my code to be generic and not limited to this one connection name |
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| 13:17.23 | divVerent | even with that field filled in propery, the disconnect_req does not work |
| 13:17.51 | divVerent | wait, no, it works then... |
| 13:17.57 | divVerent | I still had GPRS replaced by a space |
| 13:18.07 | divVerent | so it does work if I fill in the whole service name... which I don't want to if poissible |
| 13:20.11 | divVerent | the docs say "network ID or empty string", but neither array:byte:0 nor array:byte: work |
| 13:21.17 | divVerent | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.18 | divVerent | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.21 | divVerent | argh, that may be it :( |
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| 13:27.46 | divVerent | ok, have it working now... now screen locking disconnects GPRS, just like I want it |
| 13:27.53 | divVerent | only issue, I have to hardcode the name of the provider :( |
| 13:28.36 | sixwheeledbeast | grep the IAP first? |
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| 13:44.19 | divVerent | sixwheeledbeast: yes, that would be the idea |
| 13:44.31 | divVerent | only catcdh is, it is encoded as byte array, not string... not very convenient to grep from a shell script |
| 13:44.46 | divVerent | wonder if the old icd_ui interface can distinguish the two |
| 13:44.53 | divVerent | it is undocuemnted though |
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| 14:21.23 | vi__ | What are you trying to do? |
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| 15:01.15 | divVerent | DocScrutinizer05, freemangordon: ok, then back from the other channel - a .dsc may refer to "anything", but dpkg-source created packages (and all are, Debian guys say it's even impossible to create a valid .dsc without going through dpkg-source (some way or another) |
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| 15:01.29 | divVerent | have a specific requirement on the file name of the source tarball |
| 15:01.49 | freemangordon | divVerent: sure |
| 15:02.55 | divVerent | however, none of this has anything to do with the encfs package, which is by all standards a valid source package |
| 15:03.16 | divVerent | the only "weird" things I caused by not going through the Maemo SDK are wrong dependency package names in the previous version, causing builds to fail (as expected) |
| 15:03.37 | divVerent | and in one case, I depended on Debian's "fuse" instead of Maemo's "fuse-utils", whcih caused the build to succeed but the package to not be installable (makes no sense IMHO) |
| 15:04.13 | divVerent | I would even claim that the SDK would not have caught this error either, as the build DID succeed after all |
| 15:04.41 | divVerent | I suspect rather that the SDK's environment has a package called "fuse", while the extras repo does not+ |
| 15:06.06 | freemangordon | divVerent: could be |
| 15:06.17 | freemangordon | or there is some package which "provides:" |
| 15:06.23 | divVerent | yes, or that |
| 15:06.47 | divVerent | although shouldn't apt then have figured that out on apt-get install encfs (with the previous broken version)? |
| 15:07.13 | freemangordon | only if you have that repo enabled on the device, sdk and tools repos are not even installed by default |
| 15:07.17 | vi__ | yo fmg. |
| 15:07.20 | freemangordon | vi__: yo |
| 15:07.23 | divVerent | of course... |
| 15:07.32 | divVerent | and AFAIK the sdk repo doesn't belon gon the device at all |
| 15:07.38 | freemangordon | divVerent: try to install that package in SB |
| 15:07.48 | divVerent | in a few weeks, when I will actually be able to run SB |
| 15:07.52 | freemangordon | divVerent: oh, there is no problem to enable it ;) |
| 15:07.53 | divVerent | I currently am on my eeepc 701 |
| 15:07.57 | freemangordon | still? |
| 15:08.00 | freemangordon | oh, shit |
| 15:08.01 | divVerent | yes, still |
| 15:08.25 | divVerent | I wonder how hard it is to install SB on a server BTW... and if there is any documentation on that |
| 15:08.30 | divVerent | I do have a server running Debian with free space |
| 15:08.59 | vi__ | If you want to experience a new kind of hell in setting up cross compilation environments, have a go at bitbake. |
| 15:09.02 | vi__ | ~bitbake |
| 15:09.03 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, bitbake is a simple tool for the execution of tasks. It is derived from Portage, which is the package management system used by the Gentoo Linux distribution. It is most commonly used to build packages, and is used as the basis of the OpenEmbedded project. See http://developer.berlios.de/projects/bitbake/ and http://openembedded.org/. |
| 15:09.31 | divVerent | well, I'd rather want the official SDK running |
| 15:09.40 | divVerent | berlios... reeks of shily |
| 15:09.42 | divVerent | *schily |
| 15:10.34 | freemangordon | divVerent: hmm, i am not sure SB cares whether it is server or not :) |
| 15:10.46 | divVerent | oh, it cares a lot :) |
| 15:10.48 | freemangordon | vi__: what's up, besides oil prices? |
| 15:10.51 | divVerent | if it's a GUI machine, I can just use the VM imaghe |
| 15:10.54 | divVerent | that's how it cares :) |
| 15:11.07 | freemangordon | divVerent: you don;t need vmware to install sb |
| 15:11.31 | vi__ | Getting a new job. |
| 15:11.32 | divVerent | not REALLY |
| 15:11.38 | divVerent | bjut I haven't figured out how to install sb normally |
| 15:11.41 | divVerent | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_using_Text-based_Installer |
| 15:11.43 | divVerent | is kinda useless there |
| 15:11.48 | freemangordon | divVerent: why? |
| 15:12.00 | divVerent | for starters, http://www.scratchbox.org/download/scratchbox-hathor/ is a dead link |
| 15:12.05 | vi__ | I have passed telephone interview, first stage interview, technical questions test. |
| 15:12.06 | freemangordon | i used that to install under ubuntu 64bit a few weeks ago |
| 15:12.17 | freemangordon | vi__: nice, wish you luck |
| 15:12.23 | vi__ | This is enough to earn me the right to send them my references. |
| 15:12.36 | vi__ | This will perhaps lead to the 2nd interview. |
| 15:12.47 | vi__ | ~rolleyes |
| 15:12.52 | freemangordon | divVerent: comeon, those are about 10 .debs, wget them from skeiron |
| 15:13.09 | freemangordon | ~mirrors |
| 15:13.09 | infobot | it has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new |
| 15:13.09 | divVerent | freemangordon: hehe, if they're new enough that'll do then |
| 15:13.46 | freemangordon | divVerent: http://skeiron.org/scratchbox/ |
| 15:14.05 | vi__ | To be fair the technical questions was a joke. Stupid stuff like 'what is the difference between a linear and a switching regulator. WHat are the pros/cons of each?'# |
| 15:14.37 | divVerent | freemangordon: admittedly, this doesn't tell MUCH... like, what is a "hathor" |
| 15:14.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, sb.m.o is supposed to work |
| 15:14.57 | freemangordon | vi__: it is my english asking, what "linear" regulator is supposed to be? |
| 15:15.10 | freemangordon | regulating what? current? |
| 15:15.22 | vi__ | think lm7805. |
| 15:15.25 | freemangordon | divVerent: hathor is a version |
| 15:15.28 | freemangordon | ooh |
| 15:15.31 | vi__ | Generally a voltage regulator. |
| 15:15.32 | freemangordon | vi__: ^^ |
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| 15:15.36 | freemangordon | got it :D |
| 15:16.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440 is scratchbox.m.o maintainer |
| 15:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there's sth missing or not working, ask him |
| 15:16.50 | vi__ | What are you working on now FMG? |
| 15:17.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe booting that VM broke (or rather not established) some stuff that's needed |
| 15:17.02 | divVerent | damn robots.txt :( |
| 15:17.47 | divVerent | ah, -e "Robots = off" did the trick |
| 15:17.57 | freemangordon | vi__: relaxing on embedlite/gecko, still waiting for the new CSSU-x updates to come out so we can continue the work on kernel-cssu |
| 15:17.57 | divVerent | to be able to download all the .debs, as it is not an apt source |
| 15:18.10 | freemangordon | divVerent: yep |
| 15:18.30 | freemangordon | thedead1440: seems like scratchbox.m.o is down |
| 15:18.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | down?? |
| 15:18.58 | freemangordon | 404 |
| 15:19.26 | divVerent | /var/lib/dpkg/info/scratchbox-core.postinst: 13: [: configure: unexpected operator |
| 15:19.29 | divVerent | not sure if I like that |
| 15:19.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it lacks a proper frontpage |
| 15:19.47 | freemangordon | "Firefox can't find the server at scratchbox.maemo.org." |
| 15:19.49 | divVerent | argh, it's a bash script using #!/bin/sh |
| 15:20.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, sorry, http://www.scratchbox.org/ |
| 15:20.43 | freemangordon | oh :) |
| 15:20.50 | freemangordon | ~scratchbox |
| 15:20.50 | infobot | i heard scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440 |
| 15:21.43 | freemangordon | divVerent: add this site to sources.list or wherever and follow the instructions |
| 15:21.57 | freemangordon | thedead1440: false alarm, sorry :) |
| 15:22.03 | sixwheeledbeast | lol loving the text based home page. |
| 15:22.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.scratchbox.org/debian/dists/hathor/ |
| 15:22.26 | vi__ | Another question they asked was: You need a 300MHz clock. Of the oscillators available you can choose 1: 100pS rise and fall. 2: 30pS rise, 30pS fall. 3: 20pS rise, 400pS fall. |
| 15:22.30 | divVerent | forget it |
| 15:22.32 | divVerent | root@v220120211684756499:~# sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser rpolzer |
| 15:22.32 | vi__ | Which do you choose and why? |
| 15:22.34 | divVerent | /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser: 4: /scratchbox/etc/question_func.sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 15:22.47 | divVerent | clearly not made for wheezy |
| 15:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we need a symlink or a rewrite rule there? |
| 15:22.56 | divVerent | (as you see, AGAIN a wrong #!/bin/sh) |
| 15:23.43 | freemangordon | vi__: 30ps one? |
| 15:23.52 | vi__ | no. |
| 15:24.00 | freemangordon | hmm, why not? |
| 15:24.04 | vi__ | You should not use a clock that is faster than you need. |
| 15:24.29 | vi__ | Fast edges mean interference. |
| 15:24.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 15:24.59 | vi__ | ~vi_ |
| 15:25.00 | freemangordon | :( |
| 15:25.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that you usually handle by other means |
| 15:25.08 | freemangordon | feels stupid |
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| 15:25.13 | vi__ | ~vi__ |
| 15:25.13 | infobot | it has been said that vi__ is 13:21 < DocScrutinizer05> vi__: you're absolutely right |
| 15:25.20 | freemangordon | :D |
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| 15:26.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | however faster slopes usually also mean stronger driver stage that uses more power |
| 15:26.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's the true criterion |
| 15:26.37 | Wizzup | Quick question - I was reading some threads about cssu thumb2; and it also mentioned a newer pulse version |
| 15:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | rise/fall time itself can get handled by RC-filters etc |
| 15:26.42 | divVerent | no, it doesn't work on wheezy... I'll use the VM |
| 15:26.46 | vi__ | I did not know that, however it make sense. |
| 15:26.49 | Wizzup | Does it mean that I can use the old n900 pulse with my new pulse? |
| 15:27.02 | Wizzup | Could find the exact details of the change |
| 15:27.13 | freemangordon | Wizzup: it is "new" as "some stuff changed and recompiled" |
| 15:27.23 | Wizzup | well, I think the ``fix'' only needed a small change |
| 15:27.41 | Wizzup | (literally 16 -> 15) |
| 15:28.28 | freemangordon | Wizzup: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/pulseaudio/commits/master |
| 15:28.43 | divVerent | also, vm.mmap_min_addr = 0 is really something I refuse to set on a server connected to the internet... more reason to only use a VM for SB |
| 15:28.51 | Wizzup | found it |
| 15:28.59 | Wizzup | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/pulseaudio/commit/5b6b4843defa6e7778fd2d73653ec7e54410a207 |
| 15:29.02 | Wizzup | freemangordon+= |
| 15:29.03 | Wizzup | ++ * :-) |
| 15:29.33 | divVerent | FYI, what failed just now was that it didn't detect the armel support somehow installed via qemu when installing the SDK |
| 15:29.46 | divVerent | even though this binfmt stuff was mentioned before without error during the installation of scratchbox |
| 15:30.11 | Wizzup | now I will need to install pulse on my netbook again ;-) |
| 15:30.27 | freemangordon | Wizzup: there are more changes, but yes, this fiz allows you to use n900 pulse with your desktop pulse |
| 15:30.37 | freemangordon | *fix |
| 15:30.44 | Wizzup | very nice |
| 15:30.47 | divVerent | PulseRoll'd - like RickRoll'd, but with total silence |
| 15:30.58 | Wizzup | or rather ... excellent *rubs hands* |
| 15:31.38 | freemangordon | Wizzup: but this is not specific to cssu-thumb, mind you, cssu-t has (or at least is supposed to) the same pulse |
| 15:31.47 | Wizzup | yeah, I figured |
| 15:32.00 | Wizzup | I also don't think I'll try thumb2 just yet - I already have the other cssu installed :-) |
| 15:32.14 | Wizzup | now to figure out how to use garage to make my first maemo .deb |
| 15:32.18 | Wizzup | back to reading wiki |
| 15:32.24 | divVerent | have to admit, the N900 is the first and only device I have on which pulseaudio actually works :) |
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| 15:36.23 | vi__ | N900: One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die. |
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| 15:37.24 | divVerent | BTW, I recently saw in a shop a cheap Nokia supporting "Ovi Store" and having an actual keyboard; case design was quite Blackberry-cloned, but white |
| 15:37.30 | divVerent | what does run on it? |
| 15:38.40 | vi__ | Probably S40. |
| 15:38.47 | vi__ | A stripped out symbian variant. |
| 15:39.03 | vi__ | Sorry, castrated. Not stripped out. |
| 15:39.38 | divVerent | Symbian. No thanks :) |
| 15:39.51 | vi__ | Symbian was the best mobile phone OS ever made. |
| 15:40.14 | divVerent | focus on "phone", then yes |
| 15:40.19 | vi__ | No other phone OS was as feature complete. |
| 15:40.26 | vi__ | Yes, phone OS. |
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| 15:40.42 | divVerent | (as opposed to smartphone) |
| 15:40.46 | vi__ | ... |
| 15:40.50 | divVerent | it is not a S40, though |
| 15:40.52 | vi__ | WHat makes a phone a smartphone? |
| 15:40.54 | divVerent | as it has a qwertz keyboard |
| 15:41.02 | divVerent | good question :) |
| 15:41.38 | vi__ | EPOC had *REAL* multitasking 15 years ago. |
| 15:41.48 | divVerent | oh, S40 is a quite broad series |
| 15:41.50 | vi__ | The modern devices STILL do not have it. |
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| 15:42.07 | divVerent | N900 has it. Android has it. Even iOS has it. |
| 15:42.14 | sixwheeledbeast | divVerent: C3? E5? |
| 15:42.25 | vi__ | Symbian handled SIP, VPN etc beautifully. |
| 15:42.38 | divVerent | could do the same on iOS, though |
| 15:42.46 | divVerent | using extra apps, of course |
| 15:42.47 | sixwheeledbeast | E71? |
| 15:43.12 | vi__ | divVerent: I respectfully disagree. Neither IOS nor droid have multi-tasking. |
| 15:43.36 | divVerent | so Linux has no multitasking? that's news to me |
| 15:43.42 | vi__ | eh? |
| 15:43.55 | divVerent | Android has no trouble at all running a process in background |
| 15:43.58 | tadzik | divVerent: have you used andriod? |
| 15:44.06 | divVerent | yes, and? |
| 15:44.13 | tadzik | okay, I have no questions then |
| 15:44.19 | divVerent | how long an app "survives" when inactive depends on said app |
| 15:44.23 | divVerent | iOS has a quite hard 10 minutes limit |
| 15:44.34 | tadzik | I didn't know what this "real multitasking" circlejerk is about until I moved to android for a few months |
| 15:44.35 | divVerent | but even that's only enforced by policy |
| 15:44.55 | divVerent | or what do you MEAN by multitasking? |
| 15:45.08 | divVerent | running two apps at the same time on the same screen? THAT is what iOS/Android don't do |
| 15:45.17 | divVerent | they both can be active, but only one can be displayed at the same time |
| 15:45.21 | tadzik | from my point of view, it makes a big difference whether I close an app or put it into background |
| 15:45.29 | tadzik | if the system is trying to guess for me, that's a no-go |
| 15:45.30 | divVerent | same for me |
| 15:45.36 | divVerent | ah, I see |
| 15:45.41 | divVerent | in case of Android, it's all up to the app |
| 15:45.42 | tadzik | that's why using android was fucking annoying |
| 15:45.46 | divVerent | how it behaves when "backgrounded" |
| 15:45.57 | divVerent | and on iOS, there is this "you can not live in background for more than 10 minutes" policy |
| 15:45.59 | divVerent | hate that |
| 15:46.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | divVerent: please tell me what you're missing exactly on scratchbox.org |
| 15:46.05 | tadzik | well, the system may kill it or not, depending on memory usage (I think) |
| 15:46.05 | divVerent | when not following it, app is kicked from the store |
| 15:46.17 | divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: on scratchbox.org domain name, nothing |
| 15:46.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? |
| 15:46.39 | divVerent | on android, most apps cannot be backgrounded because google says they should not go to background but rather exit |
| 15:46.42 | divVerent | to save battery life[tm] |
| 15:46.52 | divVerent | but an app can still do whatever it wants to, if it makes sense |
| 15:46.53 | Wizzup | ™ |
| 15:47.00 | tadzik | so, summing it up: real multitasking is whether I can jump from one app to another without having to worry if one will mysteriously disappear |
| 15:47.08 | tadzik | (for me, that is) |
| 15:47.09 | vi__ | perhaps supporting ARM power domains would do better for battery life? |
| 15:47.12 | divVerent | iOS's solution to that is actually somewhat neat |
| 15:47.24 | divVerent | an app SHOULD not behave any different whether it was closed or just backgrounded |
| 15:47.31 | divVerent | i.e. it is supposed to save full state when exiting |
| 15:47.39 | tadzik | . o O ( perhaps not having an OS check for updates few times during the night would do even better ) |
| 15:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok then, when you don't miss anything on http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/ then why did I bother? |
| 15:47.57 | vi__ | But what if I want to not be looking at a program while it does something? |
| 15:48.05 | tadzik | oh yes |
| 15:48.17 | tadzik | like, I want to lock my phone when it's still looking for a GPS signal |
| 15:48.19 | divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: there is a dead link in the wiki, but it was not to scratchbox.org |
| 15:48.31 | divVerent | tadzik: I fully agree there |
| 15:48.32 | tadzik | android then thinks "oh, so you're not going to use it then..." and stops trying |
| 15:48.34 | divVerent | this iOS policy is nonsense |
| 15:48.38 | divVerent | but it is NOT an OS restriction... |
| 15:48.43 | divVerent | it is merely policy in case of iOS |
| 15:48.52 | tadzik | I never used iOS, I'm ranting about android because I used it, and it's fucking awful |
| 15:48.52 | divVerent | and in Android, there isn#t even that policy, there is just apps not doing what you want |
| 15:48.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | divVerent: was not to scratchbox.org??? |
| 15:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.scratchbox.org/download/scratchbox-hathor/ ??? |
| 15:49.16 | divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: oh, it was/is |
| 15:49.18 | divVerent | http://www.scratchbox.org/download/scratchbox-hathor/ is dead, yes |
| 15:49.29 | divVerent | http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html |
| 15:49.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 15:49.33 | divVerent | these two are dead |
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| 15:50.37 | divVerent | tadzik: apparently, the real problem is that both Android and iOS lack a GOOD way for the GUI to handle closed vs backgrounded apps |
| 15:50.53 | divVerent | in iOS it's meant so you never notice whether an app is still running or not |
| 15:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you ever figure out, I might create symlinks so you find the stuff wehere you expect it. Or you fix the wiki. Or best you check what the jobs do |
| 15:51.06 | divVerent | #even when it's been closed, it still appears in the list of "previously running apps" |
| 15:51.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk, bbl |
| 15:51.18 | vi__ | tadzik: I want to have a music player paused, a pdf open, my email checking for updates, a web page open with a half filled in form WHILE I am on a phone call that is being recorded by some program. Can android do this? |
| 15:51.29 | divVerent | technically yes |
| 15:51.36 | divVerent | it's up to the apps you use for the other things |
| 15:51.39 | tadzik | vi__: I don't suppose so. There's a reason I ditched it and bought another n900 :) |
| 15:51.53 | divVerent | music player - why do you even care whether it runs or not when it's paused? |
| 15:52.00 | divVerent | all you really care for is that you can "unpause" at any time |
| 15:52.14 | tadzik | maybe it's downloading lyrics? |
| 15:52.16 | sixwheeledbeast | divVerent: if you know what pages on the wiki either fix or let me know so we can repair it. |
| 15:52.22 | divVerent | sixwheeledbeast: yes |
| 15:52.28 | divVerent | for that all I'd need is the proper URLs |
| 15:52.35 | divVerent | if I find them, I can update the wiki |
| 15:52.38 | vi__ | Because it needs to be open and waiting for me to unpause it. I do not want to 'open' it again. |
| 15:52.48 | divVerent | vi__: you have to switch to it though |
| 15:52.56 | vi__ | Nope. |
| 15:52.56 | divVerent | and the OS could then use that to transparently open it again |
| 15:52.59 | divVerent | this is actually how iOS works |
| 15:53.08 | divVerent | how do you unpause without first activating the app? |
| 15:53.24 | vi__ | The app is monitoring dbus or some such for a keypress. |
| 15:53.25 | tadzik | widget, keyboard shortcut, whatever means |
| 15:53.27 | divVerent | on iOS, there is "global media controls". And Apple did this bad indeed. |
| 15:53.42 | divVerent | vi__: ok, then the OS should then monitor dbus in the app's place, and start and control the app again if it was closed :) |
| 15:53.48 | divVerent | this is how Apple WANTED to do it on iOS, but didn't finish it |
| 15:53.50 | vi__ | On the n900, I enjoy using the headset button to play/pause. |
| 15:54.26 | divVerent | web page with half filled form - iOS does this part right |
| 15:54.35 | divVerent | if iOS does decide to close the browser, the state of the forms is saved with it |
| 15:54.36 | vi__ | anyway. I do not want this discussion to turn into an OS bashing. |
| 15:54.48 | divVerent | just saying... yes, we all want REAL multitasking |
| 15:54.54 | divVerent | and all mobile OSes have it |
| 15:55.06 | divVerent | but they "prefer" closing apps after inactivity to save memory/CPU/battery |
| 15:55.14 | tadzik | we have to agree that we don't agree with each other |
| 15:55.19 | divVerent | and Android is indeed prone to do this wrong in many places |
| 15:55.20 | vi__ | I disagree! |
| 15:55.25 | tadzik | when an app is waiting for IO it's not wasting cpu and battery anyway |
| 15:55.31 | divVerent | tadzik: I agree there |
| 15:55.34 | divVerent | it still wastes RAM |
| 15:55.35 | vi__ | Yup. Thread is sleep. |
| 15:55.40 | tadzik | it can be swapped |
| 15:55.45 | vi__ | Nope, it is swapped out! |
| 15:55.48 | divVerent | tadzik: you know what we both would REALLY want? |
| 15:55.56 | tadzik | yes. I want N901 |
| 15:55.57 | divVerent | user controls for controlling auto close inactive app behaviour |
| 15:55.59 | divVerent | that too |
| 15:56.01 | tadzik | fuck no |
| 15:56.12 | divVerent | you can turn it off entirely |
| 15:56.13 | tadzik | I don't want the system to guess and close apps when the system thinks it's right |
| 15:56.14 | divVerent | and I can set it per app |
| 15:56.21 | divVerent | that's why I said user controls |
| 15:56.26 | tadzik | because it's always wrong and confusing to me |
| 15:56.28 | tadzik | maybe it's just me |
| 15:56.33 | divVerent | sure, then you can turn it off |
| 15:56.35 | divVerent | in an "ideal OS" |
| 15:56.56 | divVerent | thing is, if the OS and the apps were done right, you'd never know if apps were closed or not |
| 15:57.04 | divVerent | only difference would be longer startup time when it WAS closed |
| 15:57.11 | tadzik | well, I don't care for any auto-close behaviour, I don't want it anywhere near me. That's it |
| 15:57.14 | divVerent | sure |
| 15:57.19 | divVerent | and you should also have that option |
| 15:57.25 | vi__ | I cannot think of any application I would want to die in the background without my request. |
| 15:57.34 | divVerent | what makes the situation on both iOS and Android bad is that it's enforced not by the OS, but by policy |
| 15:57.45 | divVerent | so the OS can't offer user controls for it if it wanted to |
| 15:57.54 | divVerent | each app has its own logic for it |
| 15:58.00 | vi__ | Except nokia cherry. I would like that to die, alone, in the backround with no eulogy. |
| 15:58.19 | tadzik | when OS decides when to close apps, the thing which shows me "running applications" stops making sens |
| 15:58.36 | tadzik | "what apps are running" is a valueable information to me |
| 15:58.44 | tadzik | "oh, I kept this one open, there's probably something I should do about it" |
| 15:59.07 | tadzik | "recently ran apps" carries no valuable information |
| 15:59.38 | tadzik | of course, you can argue that the OS could distinguish between the apps I closed and the apps OS closed |
| 16:00.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<divVerent> and I can set it per app)) false approach: the app eventually goes on select(), wait() or whatever. All it needs is the app doing this in a reasonable way. Alas many apps user usleep() or timers to wake up every 100ms, for doing nothing |
| 16:00.18 | tadzik | but this is more and more becoming an OS where it doesn't close anything on itself because that'll confuse the user |
| 16:00.19 | sixwheeledbeast | divVerent: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_training_material/Getting_Started/Installing_the_SDK This page? |
| 16:01.11 | tadzik | weren't there ubuntu VMs with scratchbox already set up? |
| 16:01.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a properly designed system wirh proper apps, usually everything is sleeping, and thus you don't need to stop any task and make OS monitor keypresses to wake the task again, since that's exactly what select() *does* |
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| 16:01.34 | tadzik | *nod* |
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| 16:01.51 | tadzik | homework: open htop, see how many tasks are there and how many of them are running |
| 16:02.21 | vi__ | ~1d6 |
| 16:02.21 | infobot | You roll a 5 |
| 16:02.22 | tadzik | here I have 144(360 threads), 1 running (probably htop) |
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| 16:02.30 | vi__ | Critical hit!1 |
| 16:02.37 | tadzik | the rest of them is wasting neither cpu, nor ram, nor battery |
| 16:03.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dice 1d5 |
| 16:04.15 | sixwheeledbeast | and this page http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 16:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: on a one-core system, usually it's always only top that's running |
| 16:04.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | since no other task can be in state running while top runs |
| 16:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | "running" means: has CPU and executes commands on it |
| 16:05.27 | tadzik | oh, true. It's running, not ready |
| 16:05.39 | tadzik | or whatever's the name for ready |
| 16:06.05 | sixwheeledbeast | NFC what the links should be changed to but that's all I can locate with the broken URL's |
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| 16:08.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think http://www.scratchbox.org/download/ might need to point to http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-repository/debian/dists/ |
| 16:08.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure though |
| 16:09.20 | sixwheeledbeast | thedead1440:^^^^? |
| 16:10.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | check http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/ which is about all we have |
| 16:12.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/852f21565f is what we inherited |
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| 16:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have an incredible mess of data from a backup on /mnt/store: |
| 16:16.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/981650afd6 |
| 16:17.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | /var/lib/files is a symlink to /mnt/store/var/lib/file |
| 16:17.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Apr 5 15:21 /var/lib/files -> /mnt/store/var/lib/files/ |
| 16:18.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | wiki, mail, etc is not set up |
| 16:20.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/e3443fe624 |
| 16:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/ab3def2be2 |
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| 16:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: if you want to search for a certain file: http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/ls.txt |
| 16:28.58 | divVerent | tadzik: auto closing apps can still save a lotm of ram |
| 16:29.09 | divVerent | arguably I would rather just have enough ram |
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| 16:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | root@scratchbox:/mnt/store/usr/share/moin# du -hs . |
| 16:44.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | 279M . |
| 16:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | could copy those to the real system |
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| 16:52.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | done |
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| 18:14.38 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: all ok with sb now? another alternative is http://www.scratchbox.org/debian/dists/ |
| 18:14.52 | thedead1440 | they are all symlinks |
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| 18:54.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | thedead1440: I didn't change any symlinks so far |
| 18:54.31 | thedead1440 | ok |
| 18:54.51 | thedead1440 | anyway you have posted the file list; it should be enough for anyone who requires further digging |
| 18:55.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | in apache conf in etc (vhost file) there's a lot of aliases |
| 18:55.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think this needs a major review |
| 18:56.30 | thedead1440 | the problem is we need to investigate all the domains all the different scratchboxes use |
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| 20:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: divVerent: /var/lib/repos/www/_darcs/current/www/download/scratchbox-hathor/index.html /var/lib/repos/www/www/download/scratchbox-hathor/index.html |
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| 20:07.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: Alias /debian /var/lib/files/sbox-repository/debian; Alias /download/files /var/lib/files |
| 20:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.scratchbox.org/repos/www/www/ |
| 20:11.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.scratchbox.org/repos/www/www/download/ |
| 20:15.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I think we need an alias (http://www.scratchbox.org/)download/ -> /mnt/store/var/lib/repos/www/www/download/ |
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| 20:33.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I changed document root dir /var/www/ to: |
| 20:33.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | root@scratchbox:/var# ll -d www |
| 20:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 May 28 22:28 www -> /mnt/store/var/lib/repos/www/www/ |
| 20:34.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | so far to me it seems as if this has done "the trick" :-D |
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| 20:36.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | divVerent: sixwheeled: thedead1440: http://www.scratchbox.org/download/scratchbox-hathor/ and http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html work, as does every other link I checked so far |
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| 20:40.36 | NeutrinoPower | hello, I want buy an USB (TV) adapter with composite video input for my N900 to see the video signal of some cameras with broken displays... have anyone an idea for this? maybe I can install tvtime on maemo or use mplayer... |
| 20:41.30 | r00t|n900 | the player should be the smaller problem, the driver would be more interesting |
| 20:42.05 | r00t|n900 | note that many cheap usb video input devices are not supported under linux AT ALL |
| 20:42.50 | NeutrinoPower | I had a pinnacle tv-card and watched tv on linux... |
| 20:43.03 | NeutrinoPower | but it was PCI... |
| 20:43.18 | SpeedEvil | NeutrinoPower: In principle, you can use a USB video capture card. |
| 20:43.26 | SpeedEvil | NeutrinoPower: I'm not aware that anyones done it. |
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| 20:43.55 | SpeedEvil | xawtv and mplayer can play /dev/video* devices |
| 20:43.58 | r00t|n900 | i said _cheap_ _usb_ |
| 20:44.08 | r00t|n900 | you can buy video dongles for $5 on ebay, those don't work |
| 20:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I failed to get any such USB TV stick to work on linux so far |
| 20:44.19 | SpeedEvil | There are ones with source drivers. |
| 20:44.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, general notice: scratchbox.org got fixed |
| 20:45.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | please check what (if anything, except wiki and bugzilla) might be missing |
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| 20:58.27 | NeutrinoPower | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_USB-Live-2 |
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| 21:19.03 | NeutrinoPower | Easy CAP Video-Grapper are supperted by kernel 2.6.38 is it an problem to run this kernel version on N900? |
| 21:25.58 | r00t^home | NeutrinoPower: i'd consider it non-trivial to build a custom kernel for n900, specifically a different version than already supported... but i haven't tried, and others might know better |
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| 21:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | almost impossible, since several drivers like the graphics driver/lib are closed blobs that won't work under newer kernels, unless you port the old API to the new kernel |
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