| 00:00.03 | rikanee | they're extra app repositories, because apparently pidgin-otr hasn't been promoted to testing or Stable yet |
| 00:00.12 | rikanee | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#How_to_activate_Extras-devel |
| 00:01.09 | GogoPogo | thank you very much! |
| 00:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | get rootsh! |
| 00:01.30 | GogoPogo | I need I'll have to install rootsh because I get some permission denied errors.. |
| 00:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | you won't be root without |
| 00:01.43 | GogoPogo | I think* |
| 00:01.46 | GogoPogo | ok |
| 00:01.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | (unless you sue ssh to login as root to localhost) |
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| 00:02.47 | GogoPogo | the ssh thing sounds sooo great |
| 00:02.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly you shouldn't use apt-get unless you understood how HAM works |
| 00:04.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're already in HAM to install rootsh, why not edit catalogs to get extras-devel (or click on one of the extras-devel installfiles) and then install pigin-tor via HAM |
| 00:04.37 | GogoPogo | what do you mean by ham? |
| 00:04.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and while you're at it, you probably could install ssh (server and client) as well |
| 00:04.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Holdon Application manager |
| 00:05.12 | GogoPogo | the gui app manager? |
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| 00:07.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 00:07.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | navigate to: |
| 00:07.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 00:07.38 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 00:07.39 | GogoPogo | well.. I guess I figured it out.. but I'll make sure I did |
| 00:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | with N900 browser |
| 00:08.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll find a link that you can click to install extras-devel and tools repo |
| 00:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is the link you should click: http://joerg.cloud-7.de/repositories.install |
| 00:09.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | read the warning and instructions |
| 00:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | in HAM go to menu->catalogs |
| 00:10.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | enable extras-devel catalog, disable the other two catalogs |
| 00:10.28 | GogoPogo | manual add doesn't work, I'll try with the link |
| 00:10.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait for update finishing, then search for pidgin-otr |
| 00:11.05 | GogoPogo | does godaddy.com check ssl certificates of the default browser? |
| 00:11.28 | rikanee | GogoPogo: all the certs should still be valid |
| 00:12.10 | rikanee | IIRC there was an update issued some time ago to update the revocation list, but SSL just plain works on every site I've been on |
| 00:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | godaddy.com might be different, using an individual client-side cert to authenticate user |
| 00:13.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | startssl.com does |
| 00:13.26 | GogoPogo | I just wonder why any time I surf to starpage.com I get "Godaddy approved this website" |
| 00:13.27 | rikanee | ah, in that case, just add it to the cert store if it's self-signed |
| 00:13.50 | rikanee | GogoPogo: that means that GoDaddy is the CA for that website |
| 00:14.01 | GogoPogo | startpage.com* |
| 00:14.06 | GogoPogo | ok great |
| 00:14.48 | GogoPogo | so SSL is fully working. Absolutely fabolous. |
| 00:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | or, in natrual language: godaddy issued the SSL cert of startpage.com |
| 00:15.48 | GogoPogo | ok, I guess godaddy can be trusted |
| 00:15.51 | GogoPogo | :) |
| 00:15.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a fullsize browser, you can watch details of the cert by clicking on the SSL icon in URL box or wherever your browser shows it |
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| 00:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | might look like a padlock, or a key or sth |
| 00:16.54 | GogoPogo | can you understand something out of it? I remember having to add manually some of them for my vpn |
| 00:17.10 | rikanee | GogoPogo: if certs have to be manually added, it's usually self-signed |
| 00:17.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, vpn needs some certs usually |
| 00:17.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want to know details right now |
| 00:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 00:18.24 | GogoPogo | I was pleasently surprised by finding OpenVPN inside HAM :) |
| 00:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather make sure your HAM can install pidgin-otr |
| 00:18.46 | GogoPogo | yes I am, it is still updating the catalogue |
| 00:18.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, there's aplethora of packages available in HAM |
| 00:19.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | that takes an annoying long time, but you are not doing that every day, so just be patient |
| 00:19.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | might take 7 minutes |
| 00:19.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but eventually it actually finishes ;-) |
| 00:19.57 | rikanee | I swear, the maemo.org repos are filled with almost every Linux desktop program you can think of. |
| 00:20.21 | GogoPogo | that's more than great |
| 00:20.38 | M4rtinK | IIRC, there is Mono Develop, Prolog, Java,... |
| 00:20.48 | GogoPogo | a mobile with all this stuff is above any of my expectations |
| 00:21.13 | GogoPogo | I installed flash player 11 but it is pretty slow, same to you? |
| 00:21.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a palmtop PC |
| 00:21.24 | M4rtinK | yeah, it is a bit of an exception though |
| 00:21.30 | GogoPogo | youtube as well? |
| 00:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | which happens to have a phone built in |
| 00:21.34 | rikanee | GogoPogo: Flash is /slow/ on the N900 |
| 00:21.47 | M4rtinK | most other devices/platforms don't even have package management with dependency support |
| 00:21.49 | rikanee | it turns the phone into a pocket warmer. |
| 00:22.17 | GogoPogo | too bad it's still found around the web |
| 00:22.25 | GogoPogo | pretty often |
| 00:22.51 | rikanee | well, not /that/ often anymore |
| 00:23.01 | rikanee | newer websites have dropped flash completely for layouts |
| 00:23.11 | GogoPogo | I know that |
| 00:23.18 | GogoPogo | apple rules the market you know |
| 00:23.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | thank digital Deity |
| 00:23.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | flash navigation my ass |
| 00:23.55 | rikanee | yup, that was one good thing that came out of Apple's tight-fisted iOS policy |
| 00:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | never seen anything more stupid than that |
| 00:24.51 | GogoPogo | well.. I don't know... Adobe is a corporation that many developers always depended on and it's never a good thing but now well.. it's just Apple's turn.. |
| 00:24.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | flash is poor enough a 'solution' for video playback etc |
| 00:25.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | but to abuse it for shit like navigation menues etc is plain braindamaged |
| 00:25.47 | GogoPogo | yeah it is |
| 00:25.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | uberleete web-"programmers" |
| 00:25.59 | GogoPogo | btw now you can achieve most magic with css :) |
| 00:27.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | once you're in HAM anyway, you should get openssh (client & server), simple brightness applet, cpu load applet, GSM 2G/3G switcher |
| 00:28.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | rootsh of course |
| 00:29.15 | GogoPogo | I guess it got stuck |
| 00:29.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 00:29.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | it just takes eternities |
| 00:29.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | stay patient |
| 00:31.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope you disabled the test repo! |
| 00:31.21 | GogoPogo | :D nope |
| 00:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's absolutely useless when you have devel repo eneabled |
| 00:31.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it takes twice as long |
| 00:32.09 | GogoPogo | yuppie! |
| 00:33.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, you should actually *delete* test repo from your catalogs list |
| 00:33.46 | GogoPogo | ok I'll restart it and avoid it |
| 00:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | (and I should delete it from that install file9 |
| 00:33.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ) |
| 00:35.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy 10-Oct-2010 |
| 00:35.50 | M4rtinK | memories :) |
| 00:36.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | this whole jrtools page been originally meant for my personal use only |
| 00:36.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | incl the repositories.install |
| 00:38.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, add notmynokia to the list of stuff to install right away |
| 00:38.57 | GogoPogo | it's definitely going to take forever! |
| 00:39.16 | GogoPogo | notmynokia, sounds interesting |
| 00:39.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | it takes 7 minutes with extras-devel only |
| 00:39.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mynokia |
| 00:39.31 | infobot | from memory, mynokia is a digital robbery courtesy Nokia, or http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription, or https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10366 |
| 00:39.33 | povbot | 04Bug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user |
| 00:39.44 | rikanee | GogoPogo: most magic with CSS? |
| 00:39.51 | rikanee | CSS3 is the magic ;) |
| 00:40.10 | rikanee | shape transforms, motion, and with JS, interactivity |
| 00:40.28 | GogoPogo | indeed :D |
| 00:40.34 | rikanee | I made a POC window manager once just to learn all the new tricks |
| 00:40.47 | GogoPogo | poc? |
| 00:40.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | GogoPogo: you can abort it and edit the catalog even when the current update not yet finished |
| 00:40.59 | rikanee | Proof of concept WM, made in HTML5+CSS3+JS |
| 00:41.15 | GogoPogo | I still need to find a good manual to study it thouroughly |
| 00:41.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | if nothing else works, close HAM and restart it |
| 00:41.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | still faster than waiting 15min for a useless update to finsih |
| 00:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | after closing HAM there's a 60s contemplation&chillout time before it can start again |
| 00:42.25 | GogoPogo | Doc, is it a file I can manually edit through USB connection? |
| 00:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | which one? |
| 00:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the notmynokia? |
| 00:42.54 | GogoPogo | the catalogues |
| 00:43.15 | GogoPogo | I can't stand waiting now |
| 00:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you shouldn't edit catalogs in file anyway, even if you could |
| 00:43.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | which you can't via USB |
| 00:43.29 | GogoPogo | rikanee it would be awesome to see :) |
| 00:43.42 | GogoPogo | why not anyway? |
| 00:43.54 | GogoPogo | why I can't via USB? |
| 00:44.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | because HAM has a special unexpected way to handle the catalogs |
| 00:44.19 | rikanee | GogoPogo: HAM is like a girlfriend on her period. |
| 00:44.25 | rikanee | let's just put it that way. |
| 00:44.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and via USB you only have access to MyDocs |
| 00:44.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | not to your home dir |
| 00:45.04 | GogoPogo | oh... but I could dpkg a file without including the path in the terminal, like it was in root.. |
| 00:45.12 | GogoPogo | or maybe I didn't :D |
| 00:45.36 | GogoPogo | I did because... it worked after that |
| 00:45.43 | rikanee | GogoPogo: if you'd like to edit files from the comfort of a large screen, you can install a FTP or SCP server |
| 00:46.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh btw you fist should FLASH A CLEAN SYSTEM |
| 00:46.39 | GogoPogo | rikanee that's one hell of a tip! :) |
| 00:46.45 | GogoPogo | never used SCP before |
| 00:46.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | since you impossibly could have installed anything on terminal via dpkg or apt-get if that was a clean system without rootsh installed |
| 00:47.00 | GogoPogo | doc I'll learn my way to the system first and then I will surely flash it |
| 00:47.22 | GogoPogo | oh i see! |
| 00:47.44 | M4rtinK | BTW, you might as well do a backupmenu snapshot :) |
| 00:47.54 | GogoPogo | :D |
| 00:49.40 | GogoPogo | rikanee: is your POC online ? :) |
| 00:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | GogoPogo: reflash, install ssh, enter "sftp://root@n900-IP" into your linux browser (konqueror?) - profit! |
| 00:50.07 | rikanee | GogoPogo: nah, I don't have a web server, I'll see if I can throw a zip somewhere. |
| 00:50.21 | rikanee | brb, scrounging around my Dropbox for it |
| 00:50.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | browse files like they were on your desktop, open them for editing in kwrite, copy them |
| 00:51.05 | GogoPogo | that would be very comfortable, thanks |
| 00:51.08 | GogoPogo | I'll note it down |
| 00:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I sometimes even forget i'm actually on my phone, when I work on it from my desktop PC |
| 00:52.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | remote shell, remote filebrowser, remote editing, whatever you like |
| 00:52.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I pull files directly from the n900 window into the cloud-7.de window, bith sftp:// |
| 00:52.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | both* |
| 00:53.16 | ecc3g | clear |
| 00:53.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I wonder why it takes a bit longer than usual local copy ;-P |
| 00:53.22 | ecc3g | m/t |
| 00:53.26 | GogoPogo | how does the cloud-7.de work or what is that for? |
| 00:54.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de |
| 00:54.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo |
| 00:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5 actually |
| 00:55.18 | GogoPogo | who has the right to upload there? |
| 00:56.21 | GogoPogo | tomorrow I'll signup to the forum |
| 00:56.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | me |
| 00:57.17 | GogoPogo | it found 12 updates to my software.. I guess it finished!! FINALLY |
| 00:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't install the updates! |
| 00:58.08 | GogoPogo | didn't, just skipped for the moment |
| 00:58.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, good |
| 00:58.59 | GogoPogo | oh good... pidgin-otr is there. I'm almost crying |
| 00:59.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | now search for ssh, pidgin-t*rmpgdsd, notmynokia, simple brightness applet, load applet |
| 00:59.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and install them |
| 00:59.33 | GogoPogo | sure :) |
| 00:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | searching is done by typing on kbd |
| 00:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | in category all |
| 01:00.07 | GogoPogo | I noticed, that's the only way to find your way in such a huge list |
| 01:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | after you're done, DISABLE extras-devel catalog again |
| 01:01.57 | GogoPogo | really? why? Nothing useful apart from the listed above? |
| 01:02.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | which as a side effect reduces wait time to 1.30 |
| 01:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, you just don't want it enabled all the time and have those updates from extras-devel pop up every day |
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| 01:03.17 | GogoPogo | I see |
| 01:03.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't accept updates for arbitrary stuff coming from extras-devel |
| 01:03.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | form -devel you pick the packages you want, then disable it again |
| 01:04.17 | GogoPogo | pidgin-otr doesn't seem to work :( but I'll try out different clients tomorrow |
| 01:04.28 | GogoPogo | ok, I'll go for the ones you mentioned now |
| 01:04.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want to install an update for a package you already got from extras-devel, you do that manually |
| 01:05.18 | GogoPogo | apt-get? |
| 01:05.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to pick others you find interesting, but I wouldb't install too many on a single day. You won't know which one caused what when you do |
| 01:06.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, not apt-get, enable extras-devel and install the new version then diable again |
| 01:06.28 | GogoPogo | ok! |
| 01:06.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may use apt-get once you understood how HAM works |
| 01:07.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and what the different repos are for |
| 01:07.09 | GogoPogo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly what commands in apt you never must use |
| 01:07.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither |
| 01:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | openssh |
| 01:07.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | dropbear is kinda... limited |
| 01:08.20 | GogoPogo | again, client and server? |
| 01:08.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 01:08.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it will ask you for a new password to set on root account, iirc |
| 01:09.01 | GogoPogo | I never set one :\ |
| 01:09.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | NEW |
| 01:09.23 | GogoPogo | yeah I know, I mean, I haven't set one yet |
| 01:09.31 | GogoPogo | since I've had this phone |
| 01:09.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why it does that for you |
| 01:10.04 | GogoPogo | ok |
| 01:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | since otherwise, how would you log in? |
| 01:10.50 | GogoPogo | yeah you're right :D LOL |
| 01:10.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh would you do me a favour? |
| 01:11.03 | GogoPogo | sure |
| 01:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | in xterm type: |
| 01:11.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | id |
| 01:11.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and tell me what it answered |
| 01:11.54 | GogoPogo | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(user) |
| 01:11.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 01:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | not type |
| 01:12.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | sudo gainroot |
| 01:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then id again |
| 01:12.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | now* type... |
| 01:12.43 | GogoPogo | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) |
| 01:12.46 | GogoPogo | \m/ |
| 01:12.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | now please type |
| 01:13.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get policy rootsh |
| 01:13.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and tell me if it found something |
| 01:13.33 | GogoPogo | hold on |
| 01:13.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 01:13.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 01:13.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache policy rootsh |
| 01:14.18 | GogoPogo | "sudo apt-get policy rootsh" gives me an error |
| 01:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 01:14.25 | GogoPogo | I'll try the latter |
| 01:14.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | why sudo? |
| 01:14.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't say sudo |
| 01:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're uid=0(root) gid=0(root), no? |
| 01:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 01:15.27 | GogoPogo | yeah sorry.. I wanted to make sure I was superuser ;) |
| 01:15.39 | GogoPogo | yeah it found 1.8 |
| 01:15.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | see, that's why you should reflash |
| 01:16.08 | GogoPogo | what does that mean? |
| 01:16.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you inherited a system that got already tampered with |
| 01:16.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody installed rootsh |
| 01:16.29 | GogoPogo | sh*t :) |
| 01:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | (if apt-cache policy said "installed: 1.8") |
| 01:17.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | (it's normal when it says "available: 1.8") |
| 01:17.52 | GogoPogo | installed: 1.8, cadidate: 1.8 |
| 01:18.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 01:18.14 | GogoPogo | ok :\ |
| 01:18.24 | GogoPogo | I will flash it |
| 01:18.46 | *** join/#maemo dos1 (~dos@unaffiliated/dos1) |
| 01:18.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, you should do that. If only to have the genuine fresh maemo feeling |
| 01:18.57 | GogoPogo | I will backup the address book and the calendar first |
| 01:19.03 | GogoPogo | I see :) |
| 01:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | good idea |
| 01:19.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | the built in backup app is doing a great job for that |
| 01:19.51 | GogoPogo | thanks for the tip |
| 01:20.22 | GogoPogo | I don't know where you are from guys but it's late here, I'm going to bed |
| 01:20.36 | GogoPogo | it was so useful and nice to talk to you |
| 01:20.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should do a complete backup of your files in "MyDocs" via USB |
| 01:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | since a complete flash would ^H *will* delete your data there, and backup app doesn't backup that |
| 01:21.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather the backups will live there - if you haven't stored them to a uSD |
| 01:22.21 | GogoPogo | oh I see, you're right |
| 01:22.26 | GogoPogo | ok |
| 01:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, come back tomorrow and start your flashing experience |
| 01:22.37 | GogoPogo | thanks for your help :) |
| 01:22.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 01:22.56 | Sc0rpius | DocScrutinizer05, do you fancy those Jolla phones or not yet? |
| 01:22.57 | GogoPogo | my N900 will be reborn |
| 01:23.04 | GogoPogo | bye bye |
| 01:23.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | fancy? |
| 01:23.23 | Sc0rpius | yeah are you interested? do you like them? |
| 01:23.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | please rephrase |
| 01:23.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 01:23.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'm still in the process to make up my mind |
| 01:23.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | for now I hate their marketing |
| 01:25.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm interested but can't get over that marketing that sells "the other half" like it was best thing since sliced bread, but doesn't give a single hint what that thing actually is |
| 01:26.08 | Sc0rpius | I thought it was like something you put like a cover but it mods the phone somehow |
| 01:26.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | there have been several such promos in the last 2 decades, like spreading |
| 01:26.17 | Sc0rpius | the external keyboard looks like will be like that |
| 01:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | "drftlbaz! the best, you want it!" |
| 01:26.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | everywhere |
| 01:26.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you hear it every 5 seconds |
| 01:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | but NFC what it actually is |
| 01:27.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | until 6 weeks later you find drftlbaz candybar at your gas station |
| 01:27.29 | Sc0rpius | heh |
| 01:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I hated every single one of them |
| 01:28.52 | rikanee | Sc0rpius: electrical contacts for expansion options would be all I'd need. |
| 01:29.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | last popular one been "evonincs" |
| 01:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Evonics actually, iirc |
| 01:30.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Evonics! We invent the future" everywhere, on the house walls, in TV, everywhere, for 8 weeks |
| 01:30.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | just that |
| 01:30.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | no friggin hint what evonics actually is |
| 01:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, EVONIK |
| 01:31.40 | Sc0rpius | I didn't know BB10 run Android apps :/ |
| 01:31.58 | Sc0rpius | so now every OS has a Dalvik VM as an app. |
| 01:33.58 | rikanee | Sc0rpius: "Write once, run everywhere" |
| 01:34.02 | rikanee | :/ |
| 01:34.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 01:34.51 | Sc0rpius | Jolla also confirmed SailfishOS would execute Android apps |
| 01:35.00 | Sc0rpius | so this is the new trend |
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| 01:45.47 | M4rtinK | at least on BB10 it doesn't work that well |
| 01:46.07 | M4rtinK | also it is currently based on Android 2.1(or 2.3 ?) API level |
| 01:46.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm all for 10 thousand fart apps running under dalvik. For those who need such stuff. As long as that dalvik engine runs on a proper linux |
| 01:46.22 | M4rtinK | but many API are actually not available |
| 01:47.22 | M4rtinK | also, there are rumors that the preloaded Android runtime (+ Cascades and that Air stuff and maybe that Webworks something) eat all RAM causing the 8 multitasking app limit :) |
| 01:48.20 | rikanee | M4rtinK: I wouldn't be surprised, really |
| 01:48.22 | M4rtinK | the problem with Android is, you really need tens of thousands of apps |
| 01:48.27 | M4rtinK | as most of them are so bad |
| 01:49.26 | M4rtinK | you need a large number of them to get a few good ones (gaussian curve in action :)) |
| 01:49.29 | rikanee | M4rtinK: meh, I guess when you're a tiny player in the mobile market you can't really count on app devs to bother to make a native version |
| 01:50.27 | M4rtinK | even the recently sort-of released Skype application for BB10 is an Android port and reportedly it is ultra awful :) |
| 01:51.13 | M4rtinK | but yeah, for some niche service frontends it could be better than nothing |
| 01:52.33 | M4rtinK | but could have also the opposite effect - people might not make a fully functional native application if there is a sort-of functioning one converted from Android |
| 01:52.49 | rikanee | mmm. |
| 01:53.24 | rikanee | fwiw, Magenta already runs iOS binaries flawlessly [*] |
| 01:53.47 | M4rtinK | on the other hand - why should applications not run on multiple platforms ? :) |
| 01:54.24 | M4rtinK | thats also my goal, to make my apps run on everything, while minimizing platform dependent code |
| 01:54.30 | rikanee | (except that Apple "extended" the OpenGL ES API on iOS, and as such breaks when run on Linux+Magenta.) |
| 01:55.07 | M4rtinK | but in contrast to just running apps from other platform, my stuff is written to be multi platform |
| 01:55.44 | M4rtinK | but if you run stuff tragetting Android & iOS, it might expect functionality that is not there, breaking things or not working at all |
| 01:55.57 | rikanee | M4rtinK: well, someone still has to port the runtime ;) |
| 01:55.58 | M4rtinK | rikanee: not much of a surprise :) |
| 01:56.25 | M4rtinK | rikanee: yeah, but only ones - that's the nice thing :) |
| 01:57.21 | M4rtinK | *once |
| 01:59.06 | M4rtinK | that's the nice thing on Python |
| 01:59.22 | M4rtinK | you just need to compile it for a platform once |
| 02:00.16 | M4rtinK | and then your (any anybody elses) Python apps will work on the platform |
| 02:00.40 | M4rtinK | without the usual cross-compilation fun & games :) |
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| 02:05.28 | M4rtinK | anyway, good night everyone ! :) |
| 02:05.34 | M4rtinK | or morning :) |
| 02:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: you know fso 1 been python |
| 02:05.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and fso2 been rewritten in vala |
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| 02:06.36 | M4rtinK | yeah, I remember their slogan: |
| 02:06.42 | M4rtinK | "killing the snake" :) |
| 02:07.13 | M4rtinK | and I agree |
| 02:07.25 | rikanee | Vala. |
| 02:07.28 | rikanee | Wow. |
| 02:07.36 | rikanee | Were any GNOME devs involved? |
| 02:07.41 | M4rtinK | FSO is quite performance critical, tripple so on the FreeRunner |
| 02:07.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 02:08.11 | M4rtinK | but I haven't had performance issues with Python when writing apps in it |
| 02:08.21 | rikanee | is the Freerunner really that underpowered? |
| 02:08.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite |
| 02:08.45 | M4rtinK | you are basically just gluing a bunch of C libs together anyway :) |
| 02:09.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, for sure true for high level stuff |
| 02:09.43 | M4rtinK | rikanee: but has a higher Python version (2.7) than the N900 (2.5) :) |
| 02:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | but low level stuff like irq handlers etc are impossible to write in python |
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| 02:10.03 | M4rtinK | sure |
| 02:10.13 | M4rtinK | but that is what C is for |
| 02:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | that is what mickey used vala for |
| 02:10.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | (well, vala seems a glorified C with some makros) |
| 02:11.51 | M4rtinK | well, I've heard some complaints about the quality of he C code it generates |
| 02:11.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui it actually creates C "p-code" |
| 02:12.03 | M4rtinK | but can't judge it as I've never worked with it myself |
| 02:12.39 | M4rtinK | but I'm using Shtowell (which is written in Valla) and it works just fine |
| 02:12.55 | M4rtinK | *Shotwell |
| 02:13.40 | M4rtinK | BTW, I think Gnome devs abandoned Valla haven't they ? |
| 02:14.05 | M4rtinK | at least I think most of the new Gnome stuff is not written in Valla |
| 02:14.19 | M4rtinK | and quite a lot of Gnome Shell stuff is using Javascript |
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| 02:20.25 | M4rtinK | and now really good night :) |
| 02:22.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
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| 10:22.36 | divVerent | ~theme |
| 10:22.37 | infobot | theme is probably want gnome-themes? you probably are looking for the package gtk-theme-switch'.. 'also see packages gtk-engine-*'... |
| 10:22.39 | divVerent | ~themes |
| 10:22.57 | divVerent | ok, not then... I thought it links to a forum post about some good themes :) |
| 10:23.03 | M4rtinK | ANNOUNCE: the MeeGo Community OBS (COBS) is shutting down on May 29 - backup your stuff ! |
| 10:23.12 | M4rtinK | for more info, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1346912 |
| 10:24.27 | divVerent | currently using an-droid, but not because it looks like Android (it does not) but because of good usability (clearly delimited menu items, good even when contrast is low due to sunlight) |
| 10:30.11 | _rd | Does mbrola work for anybody? I get only segfaults..... :-( |
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| 10:33.48 | M4rtinK | _rd: I remember people reporting it works for them |
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| 11:02.21 | _rd | M4rtinK, indeed, it works, http://zerties.org/index.php/Mbrola_arm is a good reference. |
| 11:03.21 | M4rtinK | _rd: good ! :) |
| 11:03.46 | M4rtinK | _rd: what about putting a short guide how you got it to work on the Maemo wiki ? :) |
| 11:05.11 | _rd | or add a reference to http://zerties.org/index.php/Mbrola_arm |
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| 11:23.57 | Apic | A wonderful splendid Sweetmorn to You all. |
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| 11:46.41 | fastlane | u too Apic ! |
| 11:46.47 | Apic | tnx! |
| 11:47.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | (segfaults) thumbified? |
| 11:48.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | _rd: which binary (where from) do you use? |
| 11:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ Apic |
| 11:50.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: (cobs) aren't there any mirrors of that stuff? |
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| 11:52.27 | Apic | \o/ |
| 11:52.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'd think if it is of any importance for a number of people, somebody already should have mirrored it? |
| 11:54.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | (sorry I can't take care, our resources are used up in any possible regard) |
| 11:55.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | HR, storage, RAM, whatnot, on every available iron |
| 11:55.14 | M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: well, I've backed up my stuff |
| 11:55.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not what I asked |
| 11:55.36 | M4rtinK | and RzRs repo as good as I could |
| 11:55.53 | M4rtinK | and lbt also seems to have backup |
| 11:56.03 | M4rtinK | but the main issue is the Harmattan target |
| 11:56.16 | M4rtinK | without it, it is of limited use |
| 11:56.41 | M4rtinK | qwazix seems to be trying to do something about that |
| 11:57.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, Nokia proprietary stuff there? then council/HiFo *cant* help |
| 11:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually council and HiFo are the only ones who can't do anything about that |
| 11:58.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia explicitly denied to hand over HARM stuff to HiFo or allow redistribution |
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| 11:59.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | nearly everybody else who's not a chicken could create a mirror |
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| 11:59.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | *we* can't |
| 12:00.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: isn't that stuff hosted by OSUOSL anyway? |
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| 12:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I ask those silly questions, but it seems nobody even cares to provide a decent URL pointing to that "MeeGo OBS" |
| 12:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so tbh I have to admit I have no clue where to look at |
| 12:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | no URL, no IP, nothing |
| 12:03.49 | M4rtinK | URL: https://build.pub.meego.com/ |
| 12:04.10 | M4rtinK | good point, I'll add link to the TMO post |
| 12:05.13 | qwazix | M4rtinK, the easiest solution is to set up a new OBS and sync the target it seems |
| 12:05.47 | qwazix | I will try to salvage a pc later and install opensuse on it later, they claim OBS has one click install for it |
| 12:09.32 | M4rtinK | well, that might work :) |
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| 12:15.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://osuosl.org/communities ^F: meego |
| 12:16.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't understand *why* this COBS is getting discontinued |
| 12:16.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | intel alienating the harmattan community? |
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| 12:18.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | or is meego.com just discontinued and nobody asked harmattan guys if they'd like to continue at least their sub-services? |
| 12:20.02 | qwazix | probably the second |
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| 12:20.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think OSUOSL would ever reject a request to keep that stuff up (always assuming the COBs is actually located/hosted on OSUOSL infra) |
| 12:23.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, the SOP clearly is: a) ask lbt (or whomever it concerns) *why* COBs is going down, *where* it's hosted, and what are the *conditions* of this hosting. b) consider to inherit that hosting from whoever is "owner" right now, prune the stuff that's not HARM related, and continue COBS on same servers with new owners |
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| 12:24.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | since maemo has no manpower to do any admin on COBS, you need to find somebody willing to do that |
| 12:25.36 | lbt | The HW is owned by Intel/LF . Intel funded hosting at OSUOSL. Intel have stopped funding and Intel/LF will be recovering their servers. |
| 12:26.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | assuming it's hosted at OSUOSL, write to those guys and ask for continuation of hosting free of charge. Ask lbt/whomever to transfer the whole pile to you (root access, knowhow...) |
| 12:26.46 | lbt | So, to be clear. You have 5 days and then they get loaded onto a van and driven away. |
| 12:27.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | lbt: OSUOSL seems to own some servers they recovered from meego. they offered those to maemo.org |
| 12:27.53 | lbt | OK - I'm only really focussed on the meego OBS atm. |
| 12:28.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even if they don't, they have a lot of vservers they might love to offer to anybody willing to continue meego COBS |
| 12:28.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIRST URGENT action: ask OSUOSL admins to do a proper disk image of all that stuff |
| 12:28.52 | lbt | last I spoke to them they wanted to help but simply hosting a physical machine that we would have to buy/ship to them cost more per month than renting the machine from Hetzner |
| 12:29.20 | lbt | I don't know why you keep talking about OSUOSL. |
| 12:29.23 | lbt | They're not involved |
| 12:29.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, but they have vservers they offer to smaller projects |
| 12:30.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://osuosl.org/communities ^F: meego |
| 12:30.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | HECK I don't have *any* friggin info of what you guys are doing there. I just deduce from what I see in the interweb and in my email |
| 12:30.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | form OSUOSL |
| 12:31.18 | lbt | Yep - I'm sorry but I don't really have time to start some plan at this late stage. |
| 12:31.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | from both I deduce they *are* involved. But of course it's *you* to share decent precise info about the situation |
| 12:31.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | lbt: fine. So don't I |
| 12:32.04 | lbt | hey, sorry - but it's 5 days from shutdown |
| 12:32.08 | lbt | it's simply too late |
| 12:32.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | not to state, i'm not involved in HARM at all |
| 12:32.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, how long do you need to do a disk image?? |
| 12:33.10 | lbt | I cannot hand out disk images |
| 12:33.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, you guys are acting in a weird puzzling way |
| 12:33.20 | _rd | DocScrutinizer05, see http://pastebin.com/aqeanayq |
| 12:34.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afraid maemo council can't help on this issue |
| 12:34.32 | M4rtinK | _rd: thanks! :) I'll wikify it in a moment |
| 12:36.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/mbrola/bin/armlinux/mbrola.rar might easily have ARM thumb binary |
| 12:37.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | which would explain frequent segfaults |
| 12:38.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | @harmattan guys: set up a decent mirror of that stuff wherever you like. can't be that hard. there's nothing council can do for you |
| 12:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither HiFo board |
| 12:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I strongly suggest contacting OSUOSL about the issue, after all they claim meego is hosted at them. And afaik meego is a FOSS project (otherwise it wouldn't be at OSUOSL to begin with), so OSUOSL might be more than willing to sustain the project and hosting, even when some sponsor steps down |
| 12:45.12 | _rd | DocScruntinizer05, there is an mbrola package, which segfaults frequently. |
| 12:45.45 | _rd | I did no see the binary I downloaded segfaulting. |
| 12:45.56 | _rd | I could not find out though who maintains the maemo package. |
| 12:46.32 | _rd | The maintainer in the package is the debian maintainer, I assume the maemo maintainer did not update the the author in changelog unfortunately. |
| 12:46.43 | M4rtinK | ok, so I'll wait with wikifying it till this is resolved :) |
| 12:46.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | though it's arguable if this might be a genuine council task (to contact them), at least *I* lack expertise, background info, and time to do it. And after all all this only makes any sense when somebody of "HARMATTAN community" steps up for the system maintenance, which council *for sure* can't manage or provide |
| 12:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | so bottom line: you want it to stay? then go maintain it, and contact osuosl CC council |
| 12:50.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ping me if you need mailaddr or sth |
| 12:50.12 | _rd | M4rtinK, there is no need to install the mbrola package, downloading the binary is sufficient. Though it would be nice, if there would be a proper package, which does not need a wiki page to get it running. |
| 12:50.43 | M4rtinK | _rd: that indeed would be the best solution |
| 12:51.03 | M4rtinK | but aren't there issues with it being under some weird nonfree licence ? |
| 12:51.18 | M4rtinK | I think that was the biggest blocker |
| 12:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not a blocker for a .deb, only a blocker for maemo-extras |
| 12:52.05 | _rd | Debian has packages in their archive. |
| 12:52.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | we seen other packages hosted on non-maemo sites offered in a .deb with a one-click.install file |
| 12:52.59 | _rd | http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mbrola.html |
| 12:53.49 | _rd | http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mbrola-de4.html |
| 12:54.04 | _rd | i.e. I do not expect any license issue. |
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| 12:59.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 13:04.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: ping |
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| 13:10.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's "Disabled", "Invited", "Accepted", "Rejected" as options on garage accounts' "Extras Account Status:" |
| 13:11.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | someone a clue what's those states? particularly "Invited"? |
| 13:11.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe "Invited" means "has applied"? |
| 13:12.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | or got any of you devels *invited* to upload stuff to extras-devel? |
| 13:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas that friggin administrative mask doesn't show the state of "Extras Account Status:" - just "No Change" X-/ |
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| 14:42.06 | GogoPogo | hello! |
| 14:42.26 | andre__ | hi |
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| 14:43.30 | GogoPogo | maybe you can help me :) |
| 14:44.20 | GogoPogo | I found in a tutorial that I should have a file inside /etc/apt called preferences which I should manually edit |
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| 14:44.38 | GogoPogo | I can't find it.. is it normal too? |
| 14:49.42 | GogoPogo | I have many other files though |
| 14:52.01 | andre__ | GogoPogo, how did you try finding it? |
| 14:52.56 | andre__ | please explain what you tried and how |
| 14:55.35 | GogoPogo | what's the best editing command for X-terminal? |
| 14:55.40 | GogoPogo | I found the file :) |
| 14:56.26 | divVerent | GogoPogo: never ask this question |
| 14:56.42 | divVerent | I use vim, but calling ANY editor the best will sure cause a flame war |
| 14:56.42 | GogoPogo | :D why? |
| 14:57.17 | divVerent | vi vs emacs flame wars have long history |
| 14:58.08 | GogoPogo | ok I'm new to maemo5 and pico/ue/ued/vim didn't work, only vi seemed to response.. I thought I'd better ask first |
| 14:58.36 | divVerent | vim can be installed |
| 14:58.38 | rikanee | GogoPogo: you may notice a significant amount of keys missing ;) |
| 14:58.39 | divVerent | probably some of the others too |
| 14:59.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | GogoPogo: WHAT TUTORIAL? SEEMS YOU PICKED A RATHER POOR TUTORIAL |
| 14:59.02 | rikanee | which is why remapping needs to be done to do… anything on anything fancier than vi (or nano) |
| 14:59.11 | GogoPogo | hi Doc! |
| 14:59.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.14 | divVerent | rikanee: on vim, all you really lack is the % key |
| 14:59.30 | divVerent | which I mapped in X11 keyboard mapping |
| 14:59.32 | GogoPogo | rikanee ahahaha you're right! |
| 14:59.40 | divVerent | also, it is quite unimportant - jump to matching parentheses |
| 15:01.14 | GogoPogo | Doc.. http://www.sebastianbartsch.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=98# I had misunderstood |
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| 15:03.09 | GogoPogo | I did find the file, I'll try editing it |
| 15:04.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | this file shouldn't exist |
| 15:04.57 | GogoPogo | it is inside /etc/purple |
| 15:05.03 | GogoPogo | prefs.xml |
| 15:05.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | the turorial explicitly says >>just **create** (you must be root!) /etc/apt/preferences<< |
| 15:05.45 | GogoPogo | I'm referring to the latest version of the fix |
| 15:06.07 | GogoPogo | http://www.sebastianbartsch.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=98#p2725 |
| 15:06.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | also wth this is from 2010 |
| 15:06.56 | GogoPogo | I know but it deals with the error I get |
| 15:06.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOLOL!!! >>Nokia-N900:/# apt-get autoremove<< |
| 15:07.11 | GogoPogo | what's funnny with it :D ? |
| 15:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | more LOL >>Nokia-N900:/# apt-get upgrade<< |
| 15:08.39 | GogoPogo | it is nonsense? |
| 15:09.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, basically both are officially deprecated |
| 15:10.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and autoremove for sure is fsckng up your system |
| 15:11.54 | NIN101 | CSSU should ship an apt binary which warns the user of this when he tries using autoremove etc.. |
| 15:12.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even when you refer to the latest version of the fix, that doesn't change the fact that this/etc/apt/preferences file shouldn't normally exist on your maemo system |
| 15:13.10 | GogoPogo | by creating one will it affect the system ? |
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| 15:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | that instruction is about pinning pkg version |
| 15:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | the tutorial is rather sloppy |
| 15:14.57 | GogoPogo | :( I can't find any better as to this problem |
| 15:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | it might be basically correct, or it might be terribly obsolete meanwhile. But for sure it has severe bugs, like suggesting apt-get autoremove, or assuming that the file /etc/apt/preferences exists and needs editing, in last post. Of course for original author it existed in last post since he created it in second post already |
| 15:17.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | GogoPogo: no problem. You planned to flash a complete fresh system today anyway, didn't you? |
| 15:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can redo everything after that, and do it right this time |
| 15:18.13 | GogoPogo | yeah! |
| 15:19.05 | GogoPogo | it was... the disappointment in finding OTR didn't work that lead me to keep trying |
| 15:19.18 | GogoPogo | led* |
| 15:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | first approach: if there's a damn broken lib libgcrypt11_1.5.0 in maemo, first of all you should check if that lib meanwhile got updated with a bugfixed version |
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| 15:22.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there's not. I probably rather would copy the plain libgcrypt11_1.5.0.so to the right location and symlink it from old libname, raher then messing up whole pkg database by apt-get -f install and apt-get autoremove and whatnot |
| 15:22.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | err libgcrypt11_1.4.5-2 |
| 15:23.16 | GogoPogo | I'm not so much good at these things.. |
| 15:24.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | better first come here and ask someone who is savvy at such stuff, before you follow `! Warning: This is a ugly workaround, for experienced linux-users only !´ tutorials from 2010 |
| 15:25.17 | GogoPogo | I thought anyone writing about maemo was somebody from this forum or at least savvy enough :) |
| 15:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | explain the problem you see, point to the tutorial (or other solution) you found [much appreciated!], and ask if it's still applicable and generally a good idea |
| 15:26.29 | GogoPogo | ok got it |
| 15:26.58 | GogoPogo | hope no one was offended by presenting an external solution prior to asking |
| 15:27.17 | GogoPogo | really no offence intended |
| 15:27.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that guy for sure knew a lot about how to install stuff and why some problems come up. But evidently he suggested some stuff that has isde effects he ignored |
| 15:28.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, nobody gets offended by you pointing to a "external" solution. Everybody loves that, it shows you tried to find the answer yourself, and gives a good starting point to investigate and give advice |
| 15:28.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | see: |
| 15:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~questions |
| 15:28.55 | infobot | remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html> |
| 15:29.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~question |
| 15:29.02 | infobot | well, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 15:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it suggests exactly this approach you took |
| 15:30.32 | GogoPogo | ;) |
| 15:30.47 | GogoPogo | ok great |
| 15:31.12 | GogoPogo | I'll be medidating for a few hours, getting mentally ready for the flashing deed |
| 15:31.27 | GogoPogo | :D |
| 15:31.35 | GogoPogo | see you later |
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| 15:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | libgcrypt11 1.4.1-2 been built for fremantle, and it should still be available, e.g in jacekowski's repo mirror. Or ask merlin1991 |
| 15:45.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw forum.internettablettalk.com doesn't exist anymore -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47104#9 (just replace the forum.internettablettalk.com by talk.maemo.org) |
| 15:50.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, that pidgin-otr plugin seems rather orphaned. Somebody should have fixed it since 2010, but obviously nothing happened |
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| 15:54.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOOH F U pastebin.com! had a flash-plugin ad on sidebar that played shit for several days now, and now that konqueror instance has eaten 3.9GB of my RAM |
| 15:54.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually no, that been pretty recently, not several days: http://pastebin.com/aqeanayq |
| 15:56.31 | M4rtinK | well, I've seen gnome terminal eat 6+ GB twice in the last few days :) |
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| 16:04.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: any idea what's wrong with this pidgin-otr stuff? |
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| 16:05.59 | M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: well, I've used it a few years ago between Linux PCs and it worked fine |
| 16:06.30 | M4rtinK | what issues does it have ? |
| 16:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | in short http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47104&page=3 says that http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pidgin-otr/3.2.0-8/ doesn't work with http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/libgcrypt11/1.5.0~svn1440-maemo1/ |
| 16:07.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=687840#post687840 |
| 16:09.28 | M4rtinK | maybe a protocol or library API change ? |
| 16:10.33 | M4rtinK | library change seems more likely when that workaround described in the thread |
| 16:10.49 | M4rtinK | like returning some string that breaks the dialog |
| 16:12.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 16:12.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird that nobody fixed that issue |
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| 16:16.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | also lol @ http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pidgin-otr/3.2.0-6/ -> "build failed" |
| 16:18.01 | M4rtinK | that was the working one ? |
| 16:18.11 | M4rtinK | weird |
| 16:18.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possibly libcrypt broke ABI/API, and thus pidgin-otr-3.2.0-6 build faled and maintainer "fixed" it |
| 16:18.30 | M4rtinK | well, if someone fixed it , OTR would definitely nice to have |
| 16:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup, users claim they used it without problems |
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| 16:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: could you maybe try to build it again, and see what's happening? |
| 16:19.08 | M4rtinK | shouldn't be that difficult |
| 16:19.19 | M4rtinK | you mean locally ? |
| 16:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | wherever you deem fit |
| 16:20.06 | M4rtinK | haven't build a Maemo 5 package locally in like 2+ years |
| 16:20.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course we might like to see it in extras-devel in the end |
| 16:22.55 | M4rtinK | I can add it to my TODO list, but I'll probably won't get to it any time soon |
| 16:23.09 | M4rtinK | TODO list is kinda long already :) |
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| 16:25.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | longer than this one? ;-) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/nelisquare/0.4.8/ |
| 16:27.57 | M4rtinK | what's with that one ? |
| 16:30.38 | M4rtinK | cleanup loop ? |
| 16:30.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't you think it has a too long list of cleanup events? |
| 16:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | the pleasures of inheriting a borked complex system, without any doxs on how stuff is supposed to work |
| 16:32.04 | M4rtinK | then I can report another broken feature when we are at it :) |
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| 16:32.44 | M4rtinK | "Download statistics" graphs don't work on Downloads |
| 16:32.54 | M4rtinK | if you visit: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/zip/ |
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| 16:33.20 | M4rtinK | and click "Download statistics", it only shows an error message |
| 16:34.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I know |
| 16:34.31 | M4rtinK | might be also the cause why the helpful unofficial download statistics page (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67590) stopped working |
| 16:34.39 | M4rtinK | good, just letting you know |
| 16:35.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | whole maemo.org is one huge mess |
| 16:35.08 | M4rtinK | And thanks again for all the work up to now - as basically everything else seems to work just fine. :) |
| 16:35.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 16:35.22 | M4rtinK | (from user perspective) |
| 16:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas not |
| 16:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | promotion doesn't work |
| 16:35.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | new accounts don't work |
| 16:35.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | statistics don't work |
| 16:35.54 | M4rtinK | maemo or TMO ? |
| 16:35.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | karma doesn't work |
| 16:36.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo |
| 16:36.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org |
| 16:36.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | tmo is almost the best and cleanest of them |
| 16:36.47 | M4rtinK | well, that's all kinda serious |
| 16:36.59 | M4rtinK | but still workable for the time being IMHO |
| 16:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas we can't maintain it in that state |
| 16:37.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for devels it's basically useless right now |
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| 16:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels like Apollo13 |
| 16:43.38 | M4rtinK | but without the 50 thousand engineers behind our back :) |
| 16:43.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just wondering if I should delete the other looping obsolete packages in nellisquare as well |
| 16:44.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: yeah, and with no planet earth anway near front of me |
| 16:45.05 | M4rtinK | it fails to remove the file so it loops forever or what ? |
| 16:45.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like this will fix/solve itself eventually if only we manage to stay alive for 4 days |
| 16:45.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 16:46.04 | M4rtinK | at least we are not that much limited by oxygen and power reserves |
| 16:46.07 | M4rtinK | :) |
| 16:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno what cronjob is doing that, where it logs to, not to talk about any idea what's the root cause |
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| 16:46.54 | M4rtinK | a custom job alright |
| 16:47.31 | M4rtinK | I bet they said something like "wee need it working NOW, well clean it all up for Maemo 6" |
| 16:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm fed up with it and will delete the other packages as well now |
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| 16:51.14 | M4rtinK | well, it could indeed become a problem |
| 16:51.40 | M4rtinK | if it started to happen with lower period or for more packages |
| 16:51.50 | M4rtinK | so you are just deleting the old packages ? |
| 16:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 16:52.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | hope so |
| 16:52.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 16:53.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I probably already nuked 4.8 in testing |
| 16:53.35 | M4rtinK | I hope only the obsolete version :) |
| 16:55.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, for extras-testing 4.8 seemed to be the most recent version |
| 16:55.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | lingering on there since err years |
| 16:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | waiting to get promoted |
| 16:56.43 | M4rtinK | well, 4.8 in Extras would be nice :) |
| 16:57.31 | M4rtinK | but might break all the 4.7 workarounds in P1.3 apps |
| 16:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 16:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 16:58.10 | M4rtinK | IIRC Extras has 4.7 something ? |
| 16:58.30 | M4rtinK | oh |
| 16:58.39 | M4rtinK | wron 4.8/4.7 :D |
| 16:58.49 | M4rtinK | not Qt 4.7/4.8 :D |
| 16:58.59 | M4rtinK | *wrong |
| 17:08.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/gconf-editor/ |
| 17:08.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks |
| 17:09.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/pierogi/ http://maemo.org/packages/view/genwall/ http://maemo.org/packages/view/yamas/ |
| 17:13.30 | M4rtinK | it seems to run in 4 round bursts, every 4 to 5 hours |
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| 17:14.34 | M4rtinK | hmm, looks like the burst is based on number of old packages |
| 17:14.55 | M4rtinK | that could indeed escalate quite badly once enough old packages accumulate |
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| 17:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/yappari/ http://maemo.org/packages/view/ussd4all/ http://maemo.org/packages/view/gpsrecorder/ http://maemo.org/packages/view/modrana/ http://maemo.org/packages/view/gemrb/ http://maemo.org/packages/view/webtexter/ |
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| 18:23.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | on an unrelated OT topic: I ordered another MX5500 today, seems they become rare. Some fools already offer the MX revolution mouse @ 300EUR |
| 18:24.50 | M4rtinK | still rocking with MW518 :) |
| 18:25.13 | M4rtinK | oh, its actually MX510 |
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| 18:26.24 | M4rtinK | hmm, MX5500 indeed looks nice :) |
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| 18:30.09 | Sc0rpius | hmm |
| 18:35.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody who needs a MX5500 BT keyboard? I have no use for them |
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| 18:42.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<M4rtinK> it seems to run in 4 round bursts, every 4 to 5 hours)) to me it seems more like those jobs run roughly every 5 minutes |
| 18:43.22 | M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: well overall |
| 18:43.37 | M4rtinK | for individual packages it looks like about 4 hours |
| 18:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm not really |
| 18:49.03 | Sc0rpius | a "promotion to testing" crob should run like once a day or something, not 5 minutes |
| 18:49.13 | Sc0rpius | so you can take this opportunity to revise all tht |
| 18:49.14 | Sc0rpius | that |
| 18:49.23 | Sc0rpius | there must be like hundreds of jobs there |
| 18:49.37 | Sc0rpius | s/crob/cron job |
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| 18:52.16 | M4rtinK | well, even every two hours would still be sane |
| 18:56.26 | GeneralAntilles | I still can't believe Logitech crippled the MX Revolution. |
| 19:07.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 19:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | a shame |
| 19:08.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | this fake that switches modes via a mechanical button under scrollwheel, that's so *silly* |
| 19:10.46 | kerio | modes? |
| 19:15.57 | Sc0rpius | I have a Logitech mouse that the battery lasts for 3 years |
| 19:15.59 | Sc0rpius | :) |
| 19:16.15 | Sc0rpius | those are the best mice Logitech makes |
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| 19:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: free wheeling mode vs click mode |
| 19:34.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the scrollwheel |
| 19:34.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can scroll a 40k lines in one minute |
| 19:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and in MX Revo and MX5500 those modes are switched by a motor that gets controlled by a uC in the mouse |
| 19:37.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | per default it's progarmmed to switch modes when pressing that "button-6" under the scrollwheel, but the really useful setting is to have a scrollwheel speed threshold above which it goes turbo |
| 19:39.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | so with normal speed scrolling you can go line by line, click by click, while when you speed up and give the wheel a proper kick, it doesn't stop spinning for 10s |
| 19:40.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | doing this switching with a mechanical button to toggle the clutch is absolutely useless |
| 19:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yet it's what they sell now as official successor of the MX Revolution (and MX5500) mouse |
| 19:41.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | sucks |
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| 19:52.48 | qwazix | brkn, ping |
| 20:00.39 | brkn | ping received xD |
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| 20:12.18 | Apic | Good Nite! |
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| 20:31.12 | Win7Mac | I'm quite happy with my Performance MX |
| 20:31.53 | Win7Mac | DocScrutinizer05, I'd be interested in that BT-keyboard |
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| 21:17.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: how often do you switch the scrollwhell mode? |
| 21:18.33 | Win7Mac | not *that* often as you, for sure |
| 21:18.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, for sure |
| 21:20.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders patching http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mx-revolution/revoLUTIONconTROL/revoco.c to count each switching of wheelmode. Would probably need to constantly poll mouse status for that |
| 21:23.15 | Win7Mac | sh*t... you even hack your mouse? :O |
| 21:25.24 | M4rtinK | hmm, I think I have one with the mechanical switch at work |
| 21:25.37 | M4rtinK | but that motorized switching sounds cool :) |
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