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| 01:56.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll not reboot it until one of our experts had an eye on it |
| 01:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | so prepare for some 4..8h downtime |
| 01:57.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | we might even need to reboot blade-b to recover |
| 02:00.35 | Sc0rpius | we thought you were the expert |
| 02:00.39 | Sc0rpius | :P |
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| 05:34.38 | Raimu | Is there a way to enable the camera flash and video recording so that the flash provides a small floodlight for the recording? |
| 05:35.08 | Raimu | I noticed my spouse's Android camera has that feat and thought it was neat. |
| 05:55.35 | kerio | Raimu: with nicocam, press t |
| 05:55.43 | kerio | for "torch", i guess |
| 05:56.09 | Raimu | Hehey, thanks! Somehow I'd totally missed that. |
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| 09:06.04 | teotwaki | anyone remember that article, a few years back, about an IT guy who worked for some mafia? |
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| 09:12.49 | divVerent | stupid but possibly fun Maemo question... |
| 09:12.59 | divVerent | is it possible to leave USB mass storage mode without unplugging the USB cable? |
| 09:13.02 | divVerent | (to go back to charging only) |
| 09:14.17 | divVerent | and if it is possible (I would guess it is, if necessry, by unloading this USB storage provider module then moutning the filesystems again by this *-mmc-*.sh script) |
| 09:14.24 | divVerent | why isn't it offered from the status menu2~? |
| 09:16.04 | sixwheeledbeast | divVerent: can you not just eject (unmount) it on the computer? |
| 09:16.22 | divVerent | sixwheeledbeast: I did |
| 09:16.26 | divVerent | but then the N900 stll doesn't mount it |
| 09:16.32 | divVerent | and it is right there - I might want to mount it again |
| 09:16.40 | freemangordon_ | divVerent: rmmod g_file_storage |
| 09:16.54 | divVerent | freemangordon_: that was my idea, but it probably doesn't notify the status applet right |
| 09:17.06 | freemangordon | divVerent: it does |
| 09:17.14 | divVerent | and it then automatically mounts everythign again? |
| 09:17.19 | freemangordon | no |
| 09:17.27 | freemangordon | you're asked |
| 09:17.37 | divVerent | but ok |
| 09:17.38 | freemangordon | well, at least you should be asked |
| 09:17.39 | divVerent | so all of this is possible |
| 09:17.52 | freemangordon | if I read you question right, yes |
| 09:17.52 | divVerent | why doesn't the status menu offer it? |
| 09:18.01 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 09:18.23 | freemangordon | divVerent: write a replacement, we'll include it in CSSU :p |
| 09:18.32 | divVerent | oh, this part is still closed source |
| 09:19.45 | divVerent | ok, this rmmod command was not wise to do :) |
| 09:19.53 | divVerent | it from then on also didn'rt detect plugging in USB any more |
| 09:20.08 | divVerent | but that was to be expected, that something like this would happen when the system services don't know about it properly |
| 09:20.36 | divVerent | so possibly a wiser way to do this would be to somehow fake the USB unplug notification (I bet this works by dbus, like everything else on Maemo) |
| 09:28.33 | freemangordon | divVerent: just do insmod after that |
| 09:29.04 | freemangordon | divVerent: see the parameters in osso-usb-enable.sh (or whatever was it called) |
| 09:35.21 | divVerent | ah, that was the script name |
| 09:35.45 | divVerent | one of the osso scripts :) |
| 09:35.49 | freemangordon | divVerent: iirc it is in /usr/sbin |
| 09:37.04 | sixwheeledbeast | /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh |
| 09:37.24 | divVerent | ah, yes |
| 09:37.32 | divVerent | it tells the module to remove the USB devices |
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| 09:44.28 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: thedead1440: both of you are councilors, ain't? |
| 09:44.50 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: yes i'm for MCC and 6wheeled is for HFC |
| 09:45.18 | sixwheeledbeast | ^^^ |
| 09:45.22 | freemangordon | ok. I need some "official" to take it from here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1345746&postcount=1214 |
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| 09:46.11 | freemangordon | at least we need that discussed first, beforo contacting Ittiam again |
| 09:47.26 | freemangordon | If the project "Porting Ittiam HD codecs to N900" kicks, we'll have to have agreement inside the community that we want to do it |
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| 09:47.39 | freemangordon | and some fundraising should be done |
| 09:48.00 | sixwheeledbeast | Bring it up in #maemo-meeting, I may not be available again. Due to RL plus internet intermittent issues. Only just catching up on logs of last week. |
| 09:48.04 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: you have the best technical knowledge of those codecs so i think during today's council meeting you can bring this up for a council response |
| 09:48.34 | freemangordon | unfortunately I'll be travelling by the time of the meeting |
| 09:49.01 | freemangordon | that is why I am contacting you now :) |
| 09:49.13 | thedead1440 | ok i'll bring it up during council meeting then |
| 09:49.17 | freemangordon | to include that as a topic in today's meeting |
| 09:49.19 | freemangordon | yep |
| 09:49.33 | merlin1991 | I might be able to be around |
| 09:50.04 | freemangordon | i guess we'll need some poll on TMO, as if it turns out only 5 people are interested... ;) |
| 09:50.47 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: polls don't get that many votes; let council come up with a response and when it comes to dollars and cents interested people will raise their voices via their wallets |
| 09:51.36 | freemangordon | ok, I am fine either ways |
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| 10:05.01 | freemangordon | thedead1440: BTW what has happened with Bod elections? |
| 10:12.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: please register and id with nickserv! |
| 10:12.48 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: how to do that? |
| 10:12.53 | freemangordon | google? |
| 10:13.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | /msg nickserv help |
| 10:13.23 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: ok. though I don't have time now |
| 10:13.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's a 60s job |
| 10:14.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | /msg nickserv help register |
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| 10:44.29 | ShadowJK | measured by irc users, jolla is now more alive than #maemo ;p |
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| 10:56.31 | sixwheeledbeast | more people in room != "more active". |
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| 10:59.25 | ruskie | hehe |
| 10:59.44 | ruskie | I wonder how soon the jolla devices will be rooted and all that |
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| 11:25.41 | ShadowJK | I hope it's not needed |
| 11:27.00 | ShadowJK | by that I mean I hope it's like Maemo: download root |
| 11:27.06 | ShadowJK | from appstore |
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| 11:50.52 | divVerent | 13:27:00 ShadowJK | by that I mean I hope it's like Maemo: download root |
| 11:50.54 | divVerent | 13:27:06 ShadowJK | from appstore |
| 11:51.07 | divVerent | it will still have aegis, a quite effective sandbox/binary signing system |
| 11:51.08 | sixwheeledbeast | I'd hope it was better than maemo |
| 11:51.17 | divVerent | however, the big question is - is root enough for what I would do EVEN with aegis active |
| 11:51.20 | divVerent | it may be just all I need |
| 11:51.34 | divVerent | I mean, on Maemo, I wouldn't really need root for what I do |
| 11:51.42 | divVerent | apart from the command line apt-get interface I don't do much as root |
| 11:51.57 | divVerent | and the hack to disable IPv6 due to a bug in cutetube to be fixed soon :) |
| 11:52.02 | Wizzup | for accessing certain /dev/ files etci t is nice |
| 11:52.21 | divVerent | nice but not necessary for productive use |
| 11:52.55 | divVerent | to compare, on iOS a jailbreak is necessary for productive use (to be able to share data between apps), too bad it turns off the sandboxing entirely |
| 11:53.26 | divVerent | on Android, one can live pretty well without rooting it, as one STILL has a command shell, can run one's own code (via third party app installation) |
| 11:53.39 | divVerent | and apps can share data via e.g. the SD card area |
| 11:54.17 | divVerent | so whether that Jolla thing will be actually useful without rooting is not known yet :) |
| 11:54.35 | Wizzup | divVerent: well, for some programs /dev/ access is required... |
| 11:54.39 | divVerent | what I also need is SOME good file synchronization method over WLAN usable by Linux |
| 11:54.45 | Wizzup | divVerent: sshfs? |
| 11:54.46 | divVerent | like, ssh |
| 11:54.51 | Wizzup | it'll run ssh obviously |
| 11:54.52 | divVerent | yes, but for that you need a sshd |
| 11:54.59 | Wizzup | Why would it not? |
| 11:55.00 | divVerent | and be able to log in as a user |
| 11:55.06 | divVerent | that's not supported on iPhone |
| 11:55.17 | Wizzup | iPhone doesn't use Mer... |
| 11:55.19 | divVerent | sure |
| 11:55.21 | divVerent | thing is |
| 11:55.25 | divVerent | how hardened IS that jolla thing |
| 11:55.31 | divVerent | that is still to be found out, or even, to be decided |
| 11:55.54 | divVerent | they, as the (now) developer, can choose to include thsi functionality or not |
| 11:55.57 | divVerent | also, I need rsync too :) |
| 11:56.05 | divVerent | ideally, that is |
| 11:56.09 | divVerent | on Maemo it all is available |
| 11:56.28 | divVerent | if there is no way to make a rsync binary work (on ANdroid there is, if needed, by self built apk) |
| 11:56.29 | Wizzup | divVerent: I'm not sure what you're rambling on about. I doubt this will be much of a problem. |
| 11:56.35 | divVerent | one can still use sshfs + a local rsync run |
| 11:56.41 | divVerent | Wizzup: it just isn't known yet |
| 11:56.46 | divVerent | Jolla keeps pretty quiet about details |
| 11:56.52 | Wizzup | They use Mer. |
| 11:57.00 | divVerent | but they can screw it up any way they want |
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| 11:57.04 | divVerent | they also use Aegis to lock it down |
| 11:57.11 | divVerent | so their "lockdown" concept may just not allow SSH |
| 11:57.11 | Wizzup | yes, and the world may explode any second |
| 11:57.25 | divVerent | thing is, Apple makes such a locked down device and is successful |
| 11:57.30 | jaska | the world exploding is preferable to suffering with aegis |
| 11:57.39 | divVerent | thing is, WOULD I suffer with aegis :) |
| 11:57.50 | divVerent | it all depends on how well the rest works for my purposes |
| 11:57.57 | divVerent | if the device is locked down, I can't go beyond what the vendor intended |
| 11:58.45 | divVerent | unrooted Android is e..g open enough for my purposes |
| 11:58.48 | Wizzup | I imagine there would certainly be a way around it. And that's all you can wonder. |
| 11:59.42 | divVerent | I would prefer it without needing a way "around it" |
| 11:59.49 | divVerent | as these "ways around it" tend to come with disadvantages |
| 11:59.58 | divVerent | e.g. if you jailbreak iOS, you also lose app sandboxing, which is quite good to have |
| 12:00.08 | divVerent | I would actually WANT app sandboxing, BUT I'd like to have control over it |
| 12:00.11 | divVerent | like on Blackberry :) |
| 12:00.42 | divVerent | Android has a pretty weak sandbox concept (due to which any app can read your photos, like it or not) |
| 12:01.03 | divVerent | because SD card data is not protected in any way |
| 12:01.13 | divVerent | (fixable if you have root, obviously) |
| 12:01.37 | divVerent | actually, MAYBE reformatting the SD card with ext3 and setting proper file system ACLs on the root node would suffice :) |
| 12:02.13 | divVerent | to implement a rule like "only the creator of a folder can use it unless administrator sets the ACLs otherwise" |
| 12:02.47 | divVerent | I will soon have an Android device and then try out these things to lock it down a bit further |
| 12:03.05 | Wizzup | care to link to this aegis project? |
| 12:03.10 | Wizzup | google only turns up games. |
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| 12:06.21 | divVerent | Wizzup: either scroll up here, it gets mentioned often |
| 12:06.29 | divVerent | or look for aegis on github, there is a derived project there |
| 12:06.42 | divVerent | basically, it is yet another executable sandbox |
| 12:06.48 | divVerent | and the claim is that Nokia did it right, as opposed to Apple |
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| 12:08.22 | divVerent | one thing they do that Apple does not is on-boot integrity checking of startup related files |
| 12:08.39 | divVerent | so even if you can break it, it'd be quite challenging to make the "jailbreak" permanent |
| 12:08.53 | rikanee | divVerent: fyi, the entire boot chain on iOS devices is signed |
| 12:09.06 | divVerent | rikanee: apparently, not completely |
| 12:09.09 | divVerent | but ok, then Apple tried the same |
| 12:09.24 | divVerent | apparently, because how else do jailbreaks get stored persistently? :) |
| 12:09.34 | divVerent | kernel is signed, boot loader is read only |
| 12:09.41 | divVerent | and kernel does binary verification on all executables |
| 12:10.13 | rikanee | divVerent: AMFI is patched to ignore those checks either through misplaced binaries, or misplaced executables |
| 12:10.23 | rikanee | *configuration |
| 12:10.55 | Wizzup | I just don't know why you're doubting the people behind Jolla, I mean, sure, I have my doubt about the company as a whole as well. But I don't doubt that they will make an open device. |
| 12:11.30 | divVerent | Wizzup: there has been some interview with the CEO that basically said that the device will be locked down, BUT Jolla will also release a "developer version" |
| 12:11.53 | divVerent | and I would expect this developer version to be quite a lot more expensive than the normal one |
| 12:12.41 | Wizzup | Why do you expect it to be? |
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| 12:12.47 | rikanee | divVerent: that'd harbor negative attention from Maemo and MeeGo users though. |
| 12:14.13 | rikanee | divVerent: also, regarding sandboxing, I agree that Android did it right, but it didn't go far enough. |
| 12:14.44 | rikanee | iOS makes apps write all their data to their own private folder, Android should enforce that too |
| 12:15.21 | rikanee | data shared with other apps e.g. photos, music, etc. should be exposed via API to standard locations in /sdcard. |
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| 12:17.29 | divVerent | rikanee: just read about AMFI... |
| 12:17.38 | divVerent | so the main issue is that launchd.conf is not integrity checked :) |
| 12:17.54 | divVerent | together with a symlink traversal issue in unpacking backups |
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| 12:18.02 | divVerent | damn, the symlink issue I almost found before... |
| 12:18.09 | divVerent | used it to browse the iPhone FS via a FTP server app |
| 12:18.11 | rikanee | divVerent: technically, only binaries are checked |
| 12:18.22 | divVerent | by putting a ../../../../../ symlink into an app's Documents folder |
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| 12:18.34 | divVerent | I should have tried making a zip file that ALSO has a symlinkname/foo file :) |
| 12:18.55 | divVerent | rikanee: which is the mistake :) |
| 12:19.05 | divVerent | one thing Aegis does extra is some on-boot verification of most /etc stuff |
| 12:19.21 | rikanee | divVerent: it'd be too CPU-intensive to sum and sign every single file, so Apple depends on the fact that binaries are normally not touched and touchable by anything |
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| 12:20.14 | rikanee | given that all text files aren't signed, the hilarious part of the evasi0n jailbreak was that it used a shell script to remount / as rw |
| 12:20.34 | divVerent | haha, next iOS bug was that signing only signs text... wouldn't have expected Apple to be THAT clueless |
| 12:20.52 | divVerent | rikanee: I considered that the least interesting part |
| 12:20.54 | divVerent | :) |
| 12:21.02 | divVerent | as it shows no OS flaw |
| 12:21.34 | divVerent | if I had coded binary signing, I probably would have made it verify the executable header AND all sections except for the signature section |
| 12:21.54 | divVerent | just signing .text... I guess I now know how to crack ads out of iOS apps :) |
| 12:22.19 | divVerent | (ok, my previous way was to block the ad servers on my DNS) |
| 12:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: |
| 12:24.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegis |
| 12:24.29 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 12:25.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | divVerent: last info is "the recent SDK for sailfish has NO aegis-alike functionality" |
| 12:25.19 | divVerent | well, the SDK doesn't necessarily need to have it |
| 12:25.27 | divVerent | if signing is performed when uploading an app to the "store" |
| 12:25.39 | divVerent | but, we'll see in the end |
| 12:25.46 | divVerent | it may even be open enough without any rooting/jailbreaking |
| 12:25.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes it does, if you want to write apps that actually work on the final platform |
| 12:26.02 | divVerent | only if these apps use aegisfs |
| 12:26.10 | divVerent | i.e. store/use secret data |
| 12:26.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 12:26.18 | divVerent | otherwise, they'd be signed when you upload them |
| 12:26.21 | divVerent | or not? |
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| 12:26.31 | rikanee | a security platform on the kernel can work with the OS to redirect calls transparently. |
| 12:26.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the whole point of this shit that you need permissions/tokens for about everything you do |
| 12:26.49 | divVerent | right, THAT part can not be tested then |
| 12:26.55 | divVerent | that is, if you asked for all necessary permissions |
| 12:27.04 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: thanks, I'm always interested in the low-level side of sandboxes |
| 12:27.25 | divVerent | but in the end we'll see |
| 12:27.31 | divVerent | it MAY even be open enough without even root |
| 12:27.37 | rikanee | divVerent: actually, another approach would be to discard asking for permissions altogether, and simply disallow certain calls/redirect filesystem access on the fly |
| 12:27.50 | divVerent | rikanee: which is what iOS does |
| 12:28.12 | divVerent | that you see apps asking for permission before reading your photos is only a requirement of the store, but not technically enforced |
| 12:28.17 | divVerent | (enforced by review only, that is) |
| 12:29.16 | rikanee | divVerent: it'd be like SELinux, if implemented |
| 12:29.16 | divVerent | they of course use some "red flags" in the review process, i.e. the permission dialog is shown by a known API, and the images can only be accessed via another API |
| 12:29.31 | divVerent | making it quite straightforward to see if an app needs to be tested for doing this right or not |
| 12:29.42 | divVerent | if it doesn't use the image retrieval API, nobody will test if a dialog pops up |
| 12:30.04 | divVerent | rikanee: with the one exception of who's under control :) |
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| 16:34.20 | Wizzup | I giggled at the [X] I am a spammer |
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| 16:38.13 | Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: okay, made the garage account, have initial tgz and other files made with py2deb, now I'll wait for my account to be allowed to upload to extras-devel :-) |
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| 18:05.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 18:05.18 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer51 |
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| 21:45.30 | darodi | hi guys |
| 21:46.20 | darodi | i was planning to migrate from multiboot to u-boot... then i read this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1344957&postcount=2 |
| 21:46.37 | darodi | It's totaly useless when booted from u-boot (no wifi, battery meter, charging...) |
| 21:47.53 | darodi | is it true? any one with nitroid switched to uboot here? |
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| 22:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | darodi: |
| 22:28.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> |
| 22:28.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | To instal kernel you have to: |
| 22:28.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount /home /and |
| 22:28.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | first |
| 22:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | << |
| 22:29.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no more to say. All that stuff looks completely gibberish to me. I don't think I could install anything useful following those instructions, and I usually know my way around unix/linux |
| 22:32.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas I can't help about your original question, since I never touched nitdroid - sorry. Installing uBoot on N900 is not that hard, it even tries to convert/migrate existing multiboot/bootmenu entries |
| 22:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | God gracious, this stuff makes my eyes bleed! |
| 22:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | bzip2 -d N12_UMay.tar.bz2 cd / |
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| 22:39.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | mount /home /and |
| 22:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | cd /and |
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| 22:40.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | despite the whole thing is tagged "PHP code:" I think they really mean it |
| 22:41.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the bzip and mount parameters make no sense to me |
| 22:41.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | except somebody did a damn good job to obfuscate stuff |
| 22:42.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't hope bzip2 takes a COMMAND "cd" as parameter |
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| 22:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I never heard of a device /and you could mount to /home, for whatever purpose |
| 22:43.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that's a bindmount that it should need more parameters |
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| 22:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least --bind |
| 22:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | even worse, mount syntax is >>mount [-fnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-o options] device dir<< so the device was /home which for sure is no device on any linux I ever seen |
| 22:46.03 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: perhaps that's why people have been filling up their rootfses? |
| 22:46.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol, I can't even figure what might happen when trying to follow that instruction |
| 22:47.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, have a look at this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1346033#post1346033 for a laugh or a cry, depending on your mood |
| 22:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course "cd" *might* be a filename for bzip2, but honestly who names his file "cd" ? |
| 22:51.28 | rikanee | sigh, that entire thread is just sad. |
| 22:51.31 | rikanee | ~rtfm |
| 22:51.31 | infobot | from memory, rtfm is Read The F*cking Manual (TM). It is a suggestion to do your homework before posting a question. Sometimes used as RTFM $SPECIFIC_MANUAL to refer to a specific source of information. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM |
| 22:51.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | or it is a option parameter to bzip2 with a typo: -cd |
| 22:52.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then I'm afraid user wouldn't have any joy in watching the decompressed output spamming his stdout |
| 22:53.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | only explanation is that a newline is missing, but then the bzip2 cmd makes no sense without parameters |
| 22:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooor the whole shit is some extremely nifty PHP code indeed, that I simply fail to grok |
| 22:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 22:54.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | in te end I'd fail to enter the green "/" anyway X-D |
| 22:54.38 | rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: they simply forgot to include exec(); |
| 22:54.40 | rikanee | ;) |
| 22:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy android. Too complicated for me ;-P |
| 22:58.50 | darodi | mount /home /and is just a bind as you say ...never seen that syntax before |
| 23:01.46 | darodi | i think i'll just remove nitdroid and go for uboot. i'm using maemo 99% of the time and just reboot to nitdroid when my wife desesperately needs to play a stupid game :P |
| 23:03.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, maybe get her a cheap droidfon |
| 23:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | darodi: make sure you boot to maemo, so multiboot cleans up its shit |
| 23:05.12 | darodi | well... she also has a n900 with a gamegripper but pollutes mine with nitdroid :)) |
| 23:05.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | (proper kernel modules and kernel flashed - yes, multiboot *flashes* kernel on each boot) |
| 23:05.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you should have no problems installing most recent uBoot |
| 23:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and if you're lucky, uBoot will be able to boot into android on uSD out of the box |
| 23:07.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | if not, I think the tweaks needed to uBoot config files and maybe android fs on uSD are minimal |
| 23:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might need to get the kernel uimage of android kernel and put it somewhere from where uBoot can load it |
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| 23:14.22 | darodi | are there pre-made uimage already or do i need to convert the vmlinuz kernel to uimage? |
| 23:14.39 | darodi | i'll have a look in the nitdroid forums |
| 23:23.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are pre-built uimages for about everything |
| 23:24.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask Pali, he should know a lot more about all that stuff - after all he's maintainer of uBoot |
| 23:24.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, lemme try sth... |
| 23:24.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~uboot |
| 23:24.24 | infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files |
| 23:25.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmpf, thought there might be an URL to a proper wiki/tmo page about uBoot and how-to-install |
| 23:25.05 | Pali | if you put linux (z)image to /boot or /opt/boot it will be automatically converted to uimage format by u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 23:25.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow |
| 23:25.25 | Pali | and stored in MyDocs |
| 23:25.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 23:25.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | scary :-> |
| 23:25.58 | darodi | Pali: thanks for the info |
| 23:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: seems Nokia never will fix that signing key issue |
| 23:29.20 | Pali | did you got any new email? |
| 23:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: should we get rip-offs of the Nokia repos and publish a tool to patch the catalogs? |
| 23:29.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | no new mail |
| 23:30.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even a fiasco image with patched catalogs list |
| 23:30.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the run our own core repos |
| 23:30.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | then* |
| 23:30.46 | darodi | Pali: i have cssuthumb and kp 51 in nand right now. should i reboot to omap1 before uninstalling multiboot? |
| 23:31.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohohoh |
| 23:31.04 | Pali | 15.5 I got email from Mikko that he going to fix it |
| 23:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-o |
| 23:31.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | darodi: a thumbified system will crash on a non-thumb-enabled kernel |
| 23:32.10 | darodi | that's what i thought |
| 23:32.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas uBoot comes with stock kernel |
| 23:33.10 | darodi | uhmf |
| 23:33.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | so installing uBoot on a thombified system is quite tricky - you easily end in a reboot loop |
| 23:34.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | you basically have to make sure that your uBoot can boot from a powerkernel uimage before you install uBoot |
| 23:34.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise you end up with a system with uBoot and stock kernel that can't boot up to fix it any easy way |
| 23:35.06 | Pali | I will write to Mikko if he is really going to fix it or not |
| 23:35.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you have the right "To:" ;-) |
| 23:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe add council to CC |
| 23:36.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure council wants to help on that issue |
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