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| 01:35.15 | dr1fter | are the skeiron repositories very slow, or is something wrong on my end? |
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| 01:41.56 | Sc0rpius | why don't you use official repositories? |
| 01:44.50 | dr1fter | Sc0rpius: i just found out they came back up, but i heard they were slow, too |
| 01:44.59 | dr1fter | it looks like it's my phone |
| 01:45.28 | dr1fter | my computer is downloading from skeiron just fine, but my phone is downloading the repos very slow |
| 01:45.33 | dr1fter | both maemo and skeiron |
| 01:46.07 | dr1fter | i mean slooow. 2 days for a 41 MB download |
| 01:46.25 | dr1fter | and it always fails before it's finished |
| 01:46.44 | AndrewX192 | speaking of slow repositories, I'm getting 22kB/s from ftp.us.debian.org in my chroot |
| 01:46.50 | Sc0rpius | they are way better than when Nokia had them |
| 01:47.00 | Sc0rpius | but I'm getting very good speeds with repositories right now |
| 01:47.05 | dr1fter | no, i'm getting 250 B/s |
| 01:47.12 | Sc0rpius | that's crazy. |
| 01:47.16 | dr1fter | it's not just apt, it's wget also |
| 01:47.20 | Sc0rpius | at least I get 140 KB/sec |
| 01:47.31 | dr1fter | my computer is 1000x faster at 250 Kb/s |
| 01:47.37 | Sc0rpius | weird. |
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| 01:48.47 | dr1fter | my internet seems to be fine otherwise |
| 01:48.59 | dr1fter | on my phone |
| 01:49.25 | dr1fter | let me make sure again |
| 01:50.18 | dr1fter | yeah, even the browser app is slow for skeiron |
| 01:52.08 | dr1fter | files from other sites download just fine |
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| 01:54.07 | dr1fter | confirmed download is impossibly slow from repository.maemo.org, too, even through browser |
| 02:00.02 | dr1fter | it's happening with deb files from other sites like debian.org too |
| 02:00.11 | dr1fter | via http and ftp |
| 02:00.26 | dr1fter | so it seems to only affect deb file downloads |
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| 02:00.59 | dr1fter | you wouldn't think it could be malware on an n900, do you? |
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| 02:55.38 | Addison | To private message someone, the correct format is, "/msg person Comment", correct? |
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| 03:05.35 | dr1fter | yes |
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| 03:12.51 | Addison | Thank you Drifter. So if I get a message back stating "No such nick/channel: Person" they aren't online anywhere on the internet and not just here? |
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| 03:40.15 | dr1fter | Addison: uhm...are you new to the internet? |
| 03:43.50 | Addison | Not really. |
| 04:12.11 | Sc0rpius | maybe new to IRC? |
| 04:12.19 | Sc0rpius | because that was a funny question :) |
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| 06:46.10 | panjgoori | hello. can anyone add wget as a dependencie for Yamas ? as Yamas is dependent on wget. |
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| 11:26.03 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: still not a word about CSSU here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo :( |
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| 13:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: it's a wiki |
| 13:13.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: >>Further development of Maemo 5 happens as a community effort in Maemo-CSSU.[12]<< >>12. ^ http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU<< |
| 13:15.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: >>((history)) 22:59, 5 December 2012 84.147.178.233 (talk) . . (49,926 bytes) (+271) . . (→Maemo 5 (Fremantle): Added CSSU (by council member Joerg)) (undo)<< |
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| 13:30.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: >>Programmed inC, C++, Mono C#<< .oO(???) |
| 13:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly if maemo5 was based on C#, I probably had abandoned ship before N900 rollout |
| 13:32.43 | Pali | :D:D |
| 13:33.10 | Pali | same Java |
| 13:33.15 | jon_y | at least it wasn't Visual .Net |
| 13:33.33 | jon_y | or Dalvik |
| 13:35.23 | Pali | Todays stupid ideas to use VM on phones... Java/Dalvik or Mono/.Net |
| 13:35.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Kernel typeMonolithic (Linux)<< who created this pile of desinformation? |
| 13:36.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: how about a major edit on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo ? |
| 13:36.48 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: edit it |
| 13:37.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not the wiki expert |
| 13:37.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ashley _is_ ;-) |
| 13:37.24 | Pali | Company / developer: Hildon Foundation |
| 13:37.30 | Pali | relly? |
| 13:38.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I did my part on editing it already ;-) --> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&diff=next&oldid=521809224 |
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| 13:53.26 | GeneralAntilles | Who put in the Hildon Foundation stuff? |
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| 14:06.04 | ShadowJK | Some people consider all linux kernels "monolithic", wheras linux people themselves use that term to describe kernel without modules.. which is kinda odd, since non-modular kernel support has been semi-broken for quite some time now |
| 14:11.20 | Wizzup | Linux is definitely monolithic |
| 14:15.35 | kerio | linux is a monolithic kernel as opposed to microkernels |
| 14:15.59 | kerio | who the hell put "hildon foundation" there |
| 14:16.10 | kerio | hildon foundation has done precisely jack shit for maemo |
| 14:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | KAMiKAZOW |
| 14:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&diff=next&oldid=542890358 |
| 14:34.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | kick it with the huge boot! pretty please! |
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| 14:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | this edit been based on a misconception found even in parts of HiFo BoD themselves: that HiFo was successor of Nokia, meant to take care about development - as if HiFo had any developers (particularly full time paid ones) who could take orders from HiFo to continue on development of *Product Maemo* |
| 14:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | It honestly sounds like "Developer of Linux is Suse." And after maybe Suse been bought by Novell and Novell eventually bought by ACME Investment Fond: "Developer of Linux is ACME Invest" |
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| 14:52.23 | GeneralAntilles | I don't edit Wikipedia anymore. |
| 14:52.42 | GeneralAntilles | After the last run-in with their jackbooted admins |
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| 14:57.54 | Apic | Good Decision. |
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| 15:10.23 | ashley | re:Wikipedia article on [[Maemo]], it's a wiki, feel free to edit it (-; I just did some minor formatting tweaks yesterday (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&diff=555573283&oldid=552569893) but didn't bother actually checking all the facts; someone who's been around for a longer time than I should do that and then correct the incorrect parts |
| 15:11.17 | GeneralAntilles | Wikipedia's administration structure seems to serve primarily to keep the in-group in power |
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| 15:11.50 | GeneralAntilles | Confusing bureaucratic nonsense |
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| 15:16.47 | ashley | the English Wikipedia has its peculiarities, that's true, but it's not exactly alone in that, as many much smaller Wikipedias can be equally bureaucratic and unwelcoming |
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| 15:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | ashley, I wasn't making a distinction between any individual wikipedia. |
| 15:21.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's a nice study in the bad things that happen with too much power and very little responsibility |
| 15:21.36 | GeneralAntilles | And a system that's set up to benefit people with too much free time on their hands. |
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| 16:51.02 | Raimu | On the other hand it's not all bad |
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| 16:52.04 | Raimu | It just naturally veers towards some of people's more shitty habits with no outside correction capabilities |
| 16:53.34 | GeneralAntilles | No, I love wikipedia. |
| 17:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, could somebody take care to correct some of the more obvious nonsense details there, please? |
| 17:11.50 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 17:13.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | in my book maemo has no "monolithic" kernel, but we may discuss this here if that meaning of "monolithic" isn't in line with my personal one |
| 17:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure HiFo is not Company/developer |
| 17:17.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and afaik maemo5 isn't programmed in c# |
| 17:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka mono (uaaaargh) |
| 17:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | update methos: APT is misleading |
| 17:19.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | method: |
| 17:20.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Supported platforms ARM architecture ---- HMM, really? schouldn't that be "NIT 770, N800, N810, N900, (N9)"? |
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| 17:22.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolithic_kernel this *is* a monolithic kernel |
| 17:22.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | though... is BME a device driver? |
| 17:23.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably the DSP and GFX libs are device drivers |
| 17:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | then that's rather a hybrid kernel |
| 17:27.37 | ShadowJK | microkernels dont exist outside of academia |
| 17:31.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | err > It is capable of receiving text input through handwriting recognition<< never seen that in my N810 |
| 17:48.21 | Drathir | hi all |
| 17:51.28 | Drathir | i find proppably some of issue with package libicd-network-ipv6-scripts conflict and refusing to install i figt with this few hours and with forceing some how i installed the package and connection works... failed install broke ipv4 also... |
| 17:53.09 | Drathir | if someone have time to check this package will be great, but maybe it is possible that is only my issue... |
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| 21:34.27 | Pali | Drathir: problem is because maemo extras-devel was broken when I uploading/promoting that ipv6 packages |
| 21:34.38 | NIN101 | *sigh*. setting up scratchbox is even more painful the second time than in the first. |
| 21:35.01 | Pali | what should work is do uninstall all ipv6 packages (purge them) and then install it again |
| 21:35.25 | Pali | and use last version from extras-devel (not extras-testing or extras, because they are not working) |
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| 21:36.21 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, Drathir: now I'm going offline, please ping me again tommorow evening about this problem, I look at it deeper |
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| 22:09.16 | GeneralAntilles | Board nominations are closing at 23:59 UTC 2013-05-21, right? |
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| 22:21.27 | Win7Mac | GA: Woody should verify 1st, me thinks |
| 22:28.27 | GeneralAntilles | Woody14619a, ping? |
| 22:31.11 | Drathir | Pali: ok good to know that thanks a lot... |
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