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| 00:09.08 | GuySoft | was fun.. |
| 00:13.37 | Cor-Ai | why? |
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| 03:00.27 | dr1fter | # apt-get install libpcre |
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| 03:00.35 | dr1fter | E: Couldn't find package libpcre |
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| 03:02.26 | dr1fter | this says libpcre is supposed to be in extras-devel, but it's not finding it -- http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/syncevolution_in_fremantle/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=3 |
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| 03:06.26 | rikanee | dr1fter: "apt-cache search libpcre3" |
| 03:07.12 | rikanee | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libpcre3/ |
| 03:07.30 | rikanee | hmm, whoops, it looks like it isn't available in Fremantle extras-devel |
| 03:25.01 | dr1fter | rikanee: augh |
| 03:25.28 | dr1fter | rikanee: it's libpcre3! apt-cache search turned up nothing without the 3 |
| 03:25.43 | dr1fter | thanks |
| 03:26.16 | dr1fter | it installed fine for me now. i have the skeiron repos, are you not using them? |
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| 03:28.47 | rikanee | dr1fter, my last BL-5J burnt out, haven't powered on my N900 in a while |
| 03:29.31 | rikanee | I guess the best solution for this is to make a faux-battery? Dummy signal to BSI and a large capacitor just to let it boot. |
| 03:41.54 | dr1fter | rikanee: you can't get a battery for your phone? |
| 03:45.01 | rikanee | dr1fter: not here, I can't. All the stores have totally run out of 5800 batteries, which is a damn shame considering the 5800 was the most popular phone for some time |
| 03:45.06 | rikanee | (here, at least) |
| 03:48.49 | dr1fter | rikanee: can't order online? |
| 03:50.15 | rikanee | dr1fter: Customs loves sticking flagpoles up the rear end for anything shipped internationally. |
| 03:50.34 | dr1fter | hmm |
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| 03:52.05 | HANAN | HI |
| 03:52.17 | rikanee | government policy to encourage buying stuff in-country (for those 12% taxes) and customs corruption, where you'd usually have to grease palms for processing to actually occur. |
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| 03:53.47 | dr1fter | rikanee: what country is that? |
| 03:54.27 | rikanee | dr1fter: the Philippines. |
| 03:54.40 | dr1fter | ah |
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| 09:37.28 | Apic | A splendid good Morning. |
| 09:38.55 | Mr_Stupid | good morning :) |
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| 10:53.42 | vi__ | moo |
| 10:53.45 | vi__ | ~tm0 |
| 10:53.45 | infobot | i heard tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans |
| 10:54.09 | vi__ | infobot ~music is the best |
| 10:54.09 | infobot | okay, vi__ |
| 10:54.49 | vi__ | infobot ~Knowledge is not wisdom |
| 10:54.49 | infobot | vi__: okay |
| 10:55.32 | vi__ | infobot ~Wisdom is not truth |
| 10:55.32 | infobot | vi__: okay |
| 10:56.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf? |
| 10:56.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys wisdom |
| 10:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wisdom |
| 10:56.54 | infobot | methinks wisdom is http://double-chinned.mirror.waffleimages.com/data/d8/d881c8b68df1bc81c582650da8a86cc4d1b0930e.jpg |
| 10:57.19 | vi__ | rofl wot? |
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| 10:57.41 | vi__ | ~music |
| 10:57.41 | infobot | music is, like, essential for hacking -- especially calming music for debugging so you don't throw the damn machine out the nearest window Available from magnatune, a company that isn't evil. |
| 10:57.54 | vi__ | damn. I f'd that up. |
| 10:58.04 | vi__ | infobot forget ~music |
| 10:58.04 | infobot | vi__: i forgot ~music |
| 10:58.16 | vi__ | infobot forget ~wisdom |
| 10:58.17 | infobot | vi__: i forgot ~wisdom |
| 10:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't dare to redefine "music"! |
| 10:58.26 | vi__ | infobot forget ~knowledge |
| 10:58.26 | infobot | i forgot ~knowledge, vi__ |
| 10:58.45 | vi__ | ~vi_ |
| 10:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or any other factiod you haven't defined |
| 10:58.53 | vi__ | ~vi__ |
| 10:58.53 | infobot | rumour has it, vi__ is 13:21 < DocScrutinizer05> vi__: you're absolutely right |
| 10:59.09 | vi__ | Let us dwell on the above quote. |
| 10:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys knowledge |
| 11:00.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo knowledge |
| 11:00.12 | infobot | knowledge -- it has been requested 5 times, last by TiagoTiago at Sun Sep 19 17:33:10 2010. |
| 11:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf? |
| 11:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo vi__ |
| 11:00.35 | infobot | vi__ -- created by vi__ <~PSleggs@proxy.ei-info.com> at Thu Nov 15 13:21:47 2012 (175 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by vi__, 1m 42s ago; it has been locked by vi__. |
| 11:01.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo music |
| 11:01.12 | infobot | music -- last modified at Mon Sep 12 02:12:43 2005 by {sjansen}!n=sjansen@h4607b5da.area7.spcsdns.net; it has been requested 13 times, last by vi__, 3m 31s ago. |
| 11:01.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh, at least "last modified" for that one |
| 11:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~knowledge |
| 11:01.42 | infobot | i guess knowledge is power |
| 11:02.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~knowledge is also not wisdom |
| 11:02.14 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 11:02.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~knowledge |
| 11:02.22 | infobot | hmm... knowledge is power, or not wisdom |
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| 11:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonder what became of Mary? |
| 11:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Hi, it's me, Mary. The girl from the bus..." |
| 11:06.07 | Drathir | hi all |
| 11:06.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi Drathir |
| 11:07.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues wisdom |
| 11:07.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~information |
| 11:07.39 | infobot | Information is not Knowledge \ Knowledge is not Wisdom \ Wisdom is not Truth \ Truth is not Beauty \ Beauty is not Love \ Beauty is a French phonetic corruption of a short, cloth, neck ornament.currently in resurgence. \ Love is not Music \ Music is THE BEST |
| 11:08.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo information |
| 11:08.41 | infobot | information -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Thu Jun 28 09:59:13 2012 (316 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 1m 3s ago. |
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| 11:22.47 | Drathir | i have a little strange question... where can be handle a list of all connected AP, because i saw that phone remember and brodcast that list to which AP phone was connected before... |
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| 11:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: *broadcast*?? |
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| 11:54.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | WiFi shouldn't broadcast any such list, excapt for APs that are "hidden SSID", which is one of the reasons why hiding SSID is a really poor idea - it makes all clients spam all other AP with hidden SSID with info about your known SSIDs, which is a severe security flaw *for the clients* |
| 11:56.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, you can edit and delete all known APs in your settings->"internet coonections"->"[connections]", there you get a list of all known AP and can "[edit]" and "[delete]" each single one |
| 11:56.50 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thats the good idea, im stupid i dont think about that from this side:/ thanks a lot DocScrutinizer05 |
| 11:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
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| 12:01.14 | Drathir | anyway human learn all the life and is nice feeling knowing or discover new stuff or information... |
| 12:04.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why we all love to dig into the one and only great FOSS OS :-) |
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| 12:19.40 | sixwheeledbeast | ~bug7772 |
| 12:20.09 | sixwheeledbeast | ~bug 7772 |
| 12:20.09 | infobot | ACTION places a mind-control bug in 7772's ear, Star Trek II style |
| 12:20.19 | sixwheeledbeast | grr |
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| 12:20.43 | sixwheeledbeast | is bugzilla down, seems to redirect to wiki? |
| 12:21.59 | Drathir | infobot: info |
| 12:22.10 | Drathir | infobot: ~info |
| 12:22.26 | Drathir | infobot: ~status |
| 12:22.28 | sixwheeledbeast | infobot: ping |
| 12:22.28 | infobot | ~pong |
| 12:23.20 | Drathir | infobot: botsnack |
| 12:23.20 | infobot | Drathir: :) |
| 12:23.25 | Drathir | :p |
| 12:23.33 | sixwheeledbeast | ~useless |
| 12:23.33 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from sixwheeledbeast in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
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| 12:23.57 | Drathir | for feeding always response :p |
| 12:24.42 | Drathir | infobot: source |
| 12:24.42 | infobot | To build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file. Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source. The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`. |
| 12:25.16 | Drathir | infobot: infobot source |
| 12:26.02 | Drathir | infobot: -v |
| 12:26.23 | Drathir | infobot version |
| 12:26.23 | infobot | hmm... version is for the kernel "uname -r", for your distro "cat /etc/*-release" or "lsb_release -d". For other applications, try running it with a --version command. |
| 12:26.41 | Drathir | dont understand me... :/ |
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| 12:38.16 | vi__ | infobot rape infobot |
| 12:38.16 | infobot | ACTION takes infobot behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 12:38.36 | sixwheeledbeast | lmao |
| 12:38.51 | vi__ | infobot rape itself |
| 12:38.51 | infobot | ACTION takes itself behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 12:39.08 | vi__ | !1d6 |
| 12:39.16 | vi__ | ~1d6 |
| 12:39.17 | infobot | You roll a 5 |
| 12:39.22 | vi__ | boom! |
| 12:39.26 | vi__ | critical hit! |
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| 12:51.47 | sixwheeledbeast | ~1d2 mmm, useful for those yes no situations |
| 12:53.10 | sixwheeledbeast | maybe not. |
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| 12:57.22 | polyvertex | Hi! |
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| 13:04.07 | polyvertex | I just uploaded a new version of my app in the fremantle_extras_free repository, the package builder succeeded and the package is now marked as imported. |
| 13:04.17 | polyvertex | But still, no update available |
| 13:04.33 | polyvertex | I don't know exactly to whom I should ask for support. |
| 13:05.07 | polyvertex | Package: http://maemo.org/packages/view/gpsrecorder/ |
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| 13:10.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | polyvertex: basically council and techstaff (@ maemo org), me, an dparticularly the repo maintainer ( merlin1991 ) since we have no active dediacted autobuilder maintainer |
| 13:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~30d9 |
| 13:14.31 | polyvertex | DocScrutinizer05: thanks for answering. my package doesn't seem to be the only one in this case |
| 13:14.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal 1d6 |
| 13:14.34 | infobot | "1d6" is "<reply>You roll a (1|2|3|4|5|6)" |
| 13:15.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | polyvertex: correct, we know about the problem, but it's not essigned to any maintainer so far |
| 13:15.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | assigned* |
| 13:15.35 | polyvertex | ok |
| 13:17.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, probably merlin1991 is the one with best detail knowledge about the problem |
| 13:17.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | who could do something about it |
| 13:18.25 | polyvertex | do you know what's the best way to get in touch with him? here? mail? |
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| 13:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | polyvertex: merlin1991 is here, me here obviously, techstaff and council are mail addr which will end at me plus a few other guys (our sysops who won't probably dig into it any time soonish, for techstaff. Council might try to track the inssue but lacks specific knowhow). You can also ping jazekowski and see if he can give advice, he knows a friggin lot about autobuilder - alas he's not willing to cooparate in techstaff team. Details |
| 13:42.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | about how autobuilder works you can read at http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Autobuilder_and_friends |
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| 14:15.15 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: did somebody look at maemo package interface why new versions of packages are not imported (after 6.5.2013)? |
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| 14:32.36 | ashley | bugs.maemo.org redirects to the wiki...is this a known issue? |
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| 14:51.58 | Win7Mac | ashley, yes. Hopefully will be fixed soon. Thanks for reporting anyway. |
| 14:52.36 | ashley | ok, good to know that the appropriate folks know about the issue |
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| 17:50.57 | rm_work | Hey |
| 17:51.54 | rm_work | Anyone here from Germany or France that can tell me about buying a SIM card when I travel there? |
| 17:55.54 | Konsieur | I'm from France |
| 17:57.18 | Konsieur | If you don't want to subscribe, or if you don't want a monthly bill (some subscriptions can be cancelled any time, but you still need to subscribe and wait your sim to be delivered at the beginning) |
| 17:57.39 | Konsieur | Then you can find SIM cards in, hum, what's the name for that? Groceries? |
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| 17:57.50 | Konsieur | Well, the clerks that sell tobacco and newspapers. |
| 17:58.15 | Konsieur | I think you can find the same limited-use-SIM in supermarkets too |
| 17:58.40 | Konsieur | They're basically SIM cards with a limited communication time/sms/data (depending on the price) |
| 17:58.57 | Konsieur | And most of the time you can refill them by calling a special number |
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| 17:59.13 | Konsieur | rm_work |
| 17:59.52 | rm_work | Do they sell prepaid Sim cards? Like... Convenience stores or similar? |
| 18:00.13 | Konsieur | Yeah, that's what I was trying to describe with my terrible English ;@ |
| 18:00.18 | rm_work | If I just need a bit of data and some talk minutes for the week I'm there |
| 18:00.25 | Konsieur | They are prepaid Sim cards, and you can refill them I think |
| 18:00.27 | rm_work | Ah |
| 18:00.27 | rm_work | Just saw that |
| 18:00.27 | Konsieur | I don't use them though |
| 18:00.42 | rm_work | I'm on my phone and can only see like one sentence at a time lol |
| 18:00.51 | Konsieur | :] |
| 18:01.03 | merlin1991 | that sounds like a crappy client :D |
| 18:01.28 | rm_work | OK cool. Yeah that's what I thought |
| 18:01.46 | rm_work | Lol, it's OK but the vkbd takes half the screen |
| 18:02.06 | rm_work | AndChat for Android |
| 18:02.48 | rm_work | Switching back to my N900 for when I'm in Europe |
| 18:04.14 | rm_work | Thanks konsieur |
| 18:04.24 | Konsieur | You're welcome rm_work |
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| 19:38.43 | chem|st | ANNOUNCE: CSSU-S5 is live again... in CSSU-S6 any minute |
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| 19:43.06 | chem|st | S6 is live now |
| 19:44.32 | kerio | omg, updates are going so fast |
| 19:44.50 | merlin1991 | ~troll kerio |
| 19:44.50 | infobot | ACTION hereby declares kerio a troll |
| 19:44.59 | kerio | projecting, we'll be on S294 by tomorrow |
| 19:46.00 | MentalistTraceur | So can everyone type "~troll [name]" and infobot types that message? |
| 19:46.07 | MentalistTraceur | ~troll MentalistTraceur |
| 19:46.07 | infobot | ACTION hereby declares MentalistTraceur a troll |
| 19:46.47 | merlin1991 | tats |
| 19:46.48 | merlin1991 | ~stats |
| 19:46.48 | infobot | Since Sun May 5 10:38:28 2013, there have been 10 modifications, 130 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 73 commands. I have been awake for 5d 9h 8m 20s this session, and currently reference 119050 factoids. I'm using about 23680 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1403.18/25.82 child 0.01/0 |
| 19:47.02 | merlin1991 | ah crap morons not trolls |
| 19:47.12 | merlin1991 | I thought infobot also had a trollcount |
| 19:51.55 | chem|st | s/o reset the morons counter^^ |
| 19:52.07 | chem|st | or it hit the 256bit barrier... |
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| 20:31.44 | orson | hi guys |
| 20:32.06 | orson | I have problem with dependencies - I'm trying to install backupmenu and it complains about missing mtd-utils |
| 20:32.32 | orson | which can be found in repos that I use, but it is not installable as it requires liblzo2, which is not available |
| 20:33.01 | orson | I use repository.maemo.org/extras,extras-testing,community,community-testing (dist fremantle) |
| 20:33.16 | orson | tried with extras-devel too, but no luc |
| 20:33.33 | orson | I managed to find the missing package here: http://oss.fruct.org/repository/pool/maemo5.0/free/l/lzo2/ |
| 20:34.02 | orson | and I know that I can download it and use dpkg to install it, but it would rather make it in a proper way, as I have some other missing dependencies too |
| 20:34.05 | Pali | orson: search for package on: http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 20:34.19 | orson | so, there is a question - do you use any other repos that are recommended? |
| 20:34.24 | Pali | there is no "liblzo2" package |
| 20:34.51 | Pali | orson, maybe you forgotten to write full name |
| 20:34.58 | Pali | check error message again |
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| 20:36.14 | Pali | it is liblzo2-2? (with -2 suffix?) |
| 20:36.46 | orson | yeah, I've just tried it too |
| 20:37.05 | orson | maybe I will check with extras-devel, but I do not expect it to work |
| 20:37.10 | Pali | that package is in SSU repository |
| 20:37.21 | Pali | it is *not* in any extras/cssu |
| 20:37.30 | Pali | only in Nokia SSU |
| 20:38.48 | Pali | orson: check if you have enable Nokia's catalogues/repositories in Application manager |
| 20:39.34 | orson | ok, thanks for hints - I will try out new possibilities before asking more quesions ;) |
| 20:41.06 | Pali | orson: but there is problem with Nokia repositories, GPG expired last year, so maybe this is problem why you are unable to download that package |
| 20:41.33 | Pali | you can try to set phone date&time to year 2011 and then (maybe after reboot) it could work |
| 20:42.41 | orson | that was my doubt, I guess the SSU repo is downloads.maemo.nokia.com? |
| 20:42.51 | orson | what do you use instead? http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/? |
| 20:43.02 | orson | or skeiron? |
| 20:47.02 | Pali | orson: downloads.maemo.nokia.com |
| 20:47.10 | Pali | that default repo |
| 20:47.47 | Pali | repo is working (means all files/packages are here) but only gpg key which is used for signing packages expired |
| 20:48.00 | orson | ok, but isn't it down? if I try to open http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ I get access denied |
| 20:48.16 | Pali | and when you mirroring some repo, you cannot change signature... |
| 20:48.35 | Pali | orson: no it is not down, n900 apt can access it |
| 20:49.05 | Konsieur | Guys, I have a N9 that I use as my main phone, but I still have a N900 I love (both if I cound one with a dead USB port), but that N900 has an issue |
| 20:49.11 | Pali | it is normal that desktop web browser cannot open it (in n900 is special username + password for access) |
| 20:49.24 | Konsieur | When it runs out of battery, I mean completely out of battery, then I can't charge it using USB anymore |
| 20:49.34 | Konsieur | I can charge it using an external battery charger. |
| 20:49.49 | orson | Pali: thx, I was mistaken by the fact that I can access other repos that way.. |
| 20:50.02 | Konsieur | Once charged, or half charged, I can switch it on and charge normally. Is that a known issue? |
| 20:50.21 | orson | Konsieur: I guess so, it happened to me a few times at least |
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| 20:50.42 | Pali | Konsieur: yes |
| 20:50.44 | Konsieur | It's totally reproductible for me, I find no way of charging it from USB when battery is dead :/ |
| 20:50.54 | Konsieur | Is there a solution? |
| 20:50.56 | orson | Konsieur: do you use original Nokia batteries? and I mean with hologram and priced for more than 5$? |
| 20:51.00 | Pali | charging is implemented by application |
| 20:51.17 | Pali | so you need to have 1) working Maemo system and 2) enought power to start it |
| 20:51.18 | Konsieur | I think the battery in it is one of those that had a higher capacity, from the topic in TMO |
| 20:51.19 | orson | Konsieur: you may try using more powerful usb charger, the default one gives only 350 mA |
| 20:51.23 | Konsieur | But I have a original one somewhere |
| 20:51.35 | orson | Konsieur: I managed to fix it with stronger charger from other phone |
| 20:51.43 | eccerr0r | konsieur: I found that some chargers work better than others, and even my nokia AC10C is "weak" and won't charge from dead |
| 20:51.59 | Konsieur | AC10C is the default N900 charger? |
| 20:52.12 | Konsieur | I think my N900 charger is stronger than my N9's one |
| 20:52.16 | eccerr0r | AC10U I think, but pretty much the same as AC10C |
| 20:52.18 | orson | Konsieur: or sometimes you may have some luck using USB port in PC (especially with externally powered hubs) |
| 20:52.34 | Konsieur | I'm trying with a USB from PC right know |
| 20:52.36 | Konsieur | now |
| 20:52.49 | eccerr0r | so far the best charger I have is LG-branded oddly enough |
| 20:53.13 | eccerr0r | beats the heck out of the nokia somehow... |
| 20:53.17 | Konsieur | I just tried several chargers. All I get is still the same thing: quick orange led flash, and nothing |
| 20:53.30 | orson | Konsieur: and it does not help too? you may try to change to other usb port, as usually there are a few ports connected internally and they have to share power |
| 20:54.03 | eccerr0r | I have two CA101 nokia cables and neither charge my n900 well |
| 20:54.11 | Konsieur | But I NEVER had this issue with my former N900, the one that eventually died (dead USB port) |
| 20:54.21 | Konsieur | Why am I having that here, with the same chargers and batteries? |
| 20:54.27 | eccerr0r | the CA101D (the short one) however charges just fine... need to try different plugs |
| 20:54.46 | eccerr0r | YMMV, I think the QC on microusb plugs vary greatly |
| 20:55.03 | eccerr0r | not to mention the n900's microusb socket's tendency to rip out... |
| 20:55.08 | orson | Pali: thanks for the hints, it really works :) |
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| 20:55.35 | Pali | orson: with or without "time&date" hack? |
| 20:55.41 | Konsieur | Indeed eccerr0r, but I bought a second N900 when my first died because of microusb |
| 20:56.06 | orson | Pali: without the hack, I just get some warnings and I have to agree to install not authenticated packages |
| 20:56.14 | eccerr0r | as of right now my LG charger is my best charger, will wake up my n900 from a dead battery. The CA101D will also do the same... |
| 20:56.40 | eccerr0r | next tier I have a $1 dollar tree, which does charge, but not quite as well as the CA101D. |
| 20:56.54 | Pali | orson, ok |
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| 20:56.59 | Konsieur | But I don't understand why my battery is going totally dead now, I've never had this issue with the previous N900 (and same battery). And I don't think the battery is dead |
| 20:57.16 | eccerr0r | after that, my AC10C will charge slowly... and won't charge from dead. |
| 20:57.23 | Konsieur | Could my Maemo installation have an issue causing it to dry battery to 0% instead of, let's say 2%? |
| 20:57.37 | eccerr0r | the two CA101s I have (that aren't "D") belong in the trash really, but they do USB fine |
| 20:57.51 | Konsieur | My N9 and N900 genuine chargers used to charge my N900 when it died after a long day |
| 20:58.50 | Konsieur | Still the same with N9 USB cable + USB3 port on PC |
| 20:59.23 | Pali | what do you mean by 0% instead of 2% ? |
| 20:59.59 | eccerr0r | I think the problem is that many microusb plugs wear out after a while... |
| 21:00.16 | eccerr0r | or are poorly designed |
| 21:00.53 | eccerr0r | I just bought a $6 charger from microcenter and it doesn't charge my n900 either... but after poking at the microusb plug I got it to work |
| 21:00.57 | orson | Konsieur: give it some time, it won't charge it very quickly |
| 21:01.00 | Konsieur | I don't know, someone said that it needs battery to charge. I guess the systems thus shutdown before battery is TOTALLY dry. |
| 21:01.12 | Konsieur | But I don't know if that is what is not working here |
| 21:01.42 | Konsieur | No but I see it doesn't charge at all because the led just blinks once orange. When it charges, it slowly lights in white |
| 21:01.52 | Pali | yes, by default maemo system shutdown before battery is empty |
| 21:02.30 | Konsieur | I'm wondering whether tat could be broken on mine (wouldn't know why). The previous N900 never had this issue, with same battery and charger |
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| 21:03.07 | eccerr0r | I think (but not sure) what's going on here - if your battery is sucked dry it can only try to charge in high speed mode. But the onboard charging system will notice you have weak power (due to bad port or bad plug) and give up charging. Easiest solution is to just not let it run dry, else need to keep on trying other chargers until you find one that works |
| 21:03.12 | Konsieur | And the microusb on this one is ok eccerr0r, it works quite good when the phone is running, or when it charges (no shortcircuit) |
| 21:03.53 | Konsieur | Yeah it sounds relevant eccerr0r, but then why is it running totally dry each time? |
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| 21:04.16 | eccerr0r | bad plug that never triggers the charging system? |
| 21:04.21 | Konsieur | I'm gonna charge it externally to initiate charge, but I would like to avoid that in the future |
| 21:04.37 | eccerr0r | you could use the charge21 script to initiate charge I think. |
| 21:04.57 | Konsieur | Nope the plug is OK (believe me, now that I'm used to a dead microUSB N900, I check the led everytime I plug the new N900 :p) |
| 21:05.08 | eccerr0r | I've noticed sometimes when I plug in, it does not start charging |
| 21:05.10 | Konsieur | What is this script? |
| 21:05.33 | eccerr0r | search for charge21.sh ... I think that's what it's called... |
| 21:06.40 | eccerr0r | it mucks with the charging system - it can override the default power plug detection system apparently. |
| 21:06.57 | eccerr0r | but if you have a bad microusb, it can't do anything about that (obviously) |
| 21:06.58 | Konsieur | And tries to charge in slow mode? |
| 21:07.08 | eccerr0r | it can force it into fast mode |
| 21:07.16 | Konsieur | I'm totally sure the microusb is fine |
| 21:07.30 | eccerr0r | but it requires the n900 to be running |
| 21:07.38 | orson | afaik, fast mode can be also triggered by shortening d+/d- in usb plug |
| 21:07.44 | Konsieur | Yes, I'll charge the battery externally this time |
| 21:08.00 | eccerr0r | eh... no as I've found out, the microusb can be "partially" working or "weak" due to a poorly designed plug |
| 21:08.06 | Konsieur | Then I'll see when battery dries out if it still doesn't charge normally |
| 21:08.30 | eccerr0r | if the contacts to the power pins are poor, you can get "weak" power and will take a long time to charge |
| 21:08.35 | Konsieur | If it charges noramlly, then perhaps it's just that I leave it out of battery too long before recharging, and the battery naturally gets empty |
| 21:09.50 | Konsieur | Well, I'll see how it turns out soon :) |
| 21:09.52 | Konsieur | Thanks all :) |
| 21:10.41 | Konsieur | Now I know it's because it lacks power to initiate charge. That is the first step towards a firm solution. I'll continue investigating to see why battery is that empty, or as you say, if microusb seems fine, but is not |
| 21:11.21 | eccerr0r | this is the only explanation that would explain all the problems I see when charging my n900 |
| 21:11.46 | eccerr0r | my official nokia AC10C can't charge my n900 up when the battery is flat |
| 21:13.25 | Konsieur | Yes, so either my battery is totally flat (more than it should), and then it may be because 1. the battery is dead (I doubt it), 2. there's an issue in my Maemo system, that doesn't prevent consumption till 0%, or 3. when the N900 is flat, I wait too long before charging it (it's not my main phone anymore), so the battery slowly dries out till 0% |
| 21:13.47 | Konsieur | Or it's the microusb that apparently works, but has bad connections and therefore low power |
| 21:13.54 | kerio | Konsieur: or maybe all of the above |
| 21:14.00 | Konsieur | D: |
| 21:14.05 | kerio | energy is *fun*! |
| 21:18.54 | eccerr0r | besides, should immediately charge li-ion as soon as possible when discharged to empty |
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