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| 08:32.16 | Macer | hm odd |
| 08:32.33 | Macer | i have an ancient email on tmo |
| 08:32.43 | Macer | went to changee it and says it is in use? |
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| 08:36.59 | Macer | ok fk it. i give up |
| 08:37.06 | Macer | i will vote next time |
| 08:37.24 | Macer | the voting is already far in line with what i would have voted for anyways heh |
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| 08:52.27 | Macer | hm |
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| 08:52.39 | Macer | guess i cant vote with my acct |
| 08:52.41 | Macer | weird |
| 08:52.43 | Macer | oh well |
| 08:52.59 | Macer | says i am not a voter or have already voted |
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| 09:09.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: EH???? |
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| 09:10.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: either you got a token mail, or you missed it and need to get a new one, or you never got sent a mail since you're not in electorate table (too low karma, no or too young garage account). Anyway please see my instaructions |
| 09:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Important info: This time basically everybody is entitled to participate in voting and we very much like to ask you to actually do. If you haven't received a token mail yet, this might be either due to problems with sending the mail to you, or you're not in the bunch that automatically got a mail due to karma or account age issues. please see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...13#post1338413 how to proceed, there's probably no |
| 09:11.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | reason why you shouldn't be allowed to vote.<< |
| 09:12.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1339359#post1339359 |
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| 09:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the crippled URL in quote should be http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1338413#post1338413 |
| 09:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Macer> the voting is already far in line with what i would have voted for anyways heh)) I can't make any sense out of that |
| 09:16.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | except for the highly likely fact that 5 out of 7 will get elected, how do you know that vote is in line with what you whould have voted for? |
| 09:20.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | insists in macer voting, hoping for macer to vote doc out of the councils |
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| 10:15.25 | zammy | oh sheet... my n900 keeps rebooting in loop... it does not start anymore... then it starts the boot loader... what shall I choose on backup menu? |
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| 10:19.16 | zammy | oh no sheet now neither boot loader ... |
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| 10:27.47 | kerio | zammy: reflash! |
| 10:27.48 | kerio | yay! |
| 10:28.01 | kerio | actually not necessarily |
| 10:28.03 | kerio | you can use rescueOS |
| 10:28.13 | zammy | I fucked up |
| 10:28.20 | zammy | I can reset |
| 10:28.32 | zammy | there was no file necessary to save |
| 10:29.08 | zammy | I got how to run the bootloader |
| 10:29.19 | zammy | now I see backup boot loader |
| 10:29.25 | zammy | but I did not backup anything |
| 10:29.36 | zammy | alright my experiments are ended |
| 10:29.37 | zammy | XD |
| 10:29.47 | zammy | I fucked up idk how |
| 10:29.56 | zammy | I downloaded the nokia kernel |
| 10:30.06 | zammy | then I suppose that has fucked up |
| 10:30.33 | zammy | I was trying to get my mice on n900 |
| 10:30.39 | zammy | unsuccessful |
| 10:31.32 | kerio | install extmou |
| 10:31.53 | zammy | aiming at what? |
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| 10:45.47 | Win7Mac | "vote doc out of the councils" - fun idea, but sorry, won't happen. ;-p |
| 10:51.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | GRRR |
| 10:52.41 | zammy | flashed |
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| 11:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | backup boot loader? |
| 11:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll happily help to get your terminology straight. :-) |
| 11:16.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's backupmenu |
| 11:16.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's unrealted to bootloader |
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| 11:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's also bootmenu (which backupmenu is based on) - also unrelated to bootloader, despite the name |
| 11:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | then there's uBoot, actually a bootloader (chainloaded bootloader in fact, NOLO original bootloader will still be in place and effect) - but it's unrealted to backup. Might be the cause for bootloops though |
| 11:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | most common root cause for bootloops: mismatch between kernel that gets loaded by bootloader NOLO or uBoot and the kernel modules of rootfs (aka "/") that gets mounted (actually passed to kernel via kernel cmdline) by bootloader |
| 11:22.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | recent top rank #2: fscked-up bme in rootfs |
| 11:24.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | #3: leete geeks trying to optify parts of libs or tools that are needed during init process, thus causing mass segfaults on dsme-safeguarded system processes, like pulseaudio, X11/hildon, browserd, whatelse |
| 11:25.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | all this is usually completely fixable by a flashing of *COMBINED* plus standard hildon backup restore |
| 11:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | for uBoot and kernel related fsckups you have some additional work ahead of you to restore your system to what it been before you ruined it, since normal restore can't restore uBoot or custom kernels |
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| 11:53.10 | anthonie | does anyone know if a newer version of libc6 exists, newer than the one we have, which is 2.5. I am looking for a version -> 2.7. |
| 11:53.48 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: no big deal :) guess it's all about tmo posts? heh |
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| 12:03.25 | anthonie | no one knows? |
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| 12:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | anthonie: sorry, I don't |
| 12:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: huh? You lost me |
| 12:08.08 | anthonie | DocScrutinizer05: thanks, I asked in the devel channel as well; no answer. |
| 12:10.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think a newer libc version wouldn't play nice with current maemo system which is based on the libc version we have |
| 12:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | my uneducated guess on that |
| 12:12.16 | anthonie | i am afraid so. well, probably going to try anyway. Have mpd up and running now and would love to use ncmpcpp as a client for that |
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| 14:24.01 | zammy | does anyone know how to unlock latest DTG? |
| 14:24.57 | Pali | ~seen MartinK |
| 14:24.59 | infobot | i haven't seen 'martink', Pali |
| 14:27.01 | Pali | ~seen M4rtinK |
| 14:27.02 | infobot | m4rtink <~M4rtinK@ip-86-49-81-87.net.upcbroadband.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 20d 15h 49m 59s ago, saying: 'RzR: BTW, any info how long will the meego obs stay up ?'. |
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| 14:40.27 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: voting for packages not working |
| 14:40.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably midgard login related |
| 14:40.49 | Pali | when I clicked on thumb up button nothing happened |
| 14:41.07 | Pali | but I'm logged in |
| 14:41.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: mhm. But honestly, I dunno what to do about it right now |
| 14:41.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're just discussing way larger projects, in admin channel |
| 14:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/projects/problems/. |
| 14:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we have nobody who would know where to kick to make that voting work, anyway |
| 14:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I invited you to admin channel for a reason anyway |
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| 15:48.54 | zammy | what the hell my nokia says ever that read only |
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| 15:49.12 | zammy | I tried all kind of stuff about normal linux chmod and chown |
| 15:49.13 | zammy | no way |
| 15:50.53 | cehteh | you tried not hard enough |
| 15:51.04 | cehteh | is it mounted readonly? needs fsck? |
| 15:56.08 | kerio | it probably needs a fsck |
| 15:56.13 | kerio | didn't you just reflash, zammy? |
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| 15:57.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash of rootfs/combined |
| 15:57.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | not of eMMC I guess |
| 15:58.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: a tad more accurate info about the particular error message would help a lot |
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| 16:35.09 | zammy | MyDocs is read-only |
| 16:35.19 | zammy | there is some mount problem |
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| 17:13.47 | FIQ | hi |
| 17:14.19 | FIQ | tomorrow I'll leave the country... while this sounds irrelevant, I wonder how to prevent my n900 from happily connecting to internet asap when I turn it on for this |
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| 17:16.54 | kerio | FIQ: disable automatic connections, disable data while roaming? |
| 17:17.19 | FIQ | right |
| 17:17.32 | FIQ | just wanted to make it 100% sure it wouldn't connect anyway |
| 17:17.32 | kerio | if you're *really* worried, change the APN |
| 17:17.35 | FIQ | and screw me up |
| 17:17.37 | kerio | to something that's not working |
| 17:17.50 | FIQ | though I guess flight mode would work too :) |
| 17:17.58 | FIQ | s/flight mode/not entering PIN/ |
| 17:18.10 | kerio | FIQ: you mean tabletpc mode :) |
| 17:18.20 | FIQ | well whatever it's called.. :P |
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| 20:10.31 | Sicelo | lol, did they really tell Elop: "Are you aware that results are what matter? The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Please switch to another road," as reported in http://mybroadband.co.za/news/business/77306-nokia-investors-losing-patience-with-ceo.html |
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| 20:14.24 | cehteh | oh no, not another road again, pls elop go staight to hell dont take detour, dont stop, hurry up |
| 20:16.21 | GeneralAntilles | Idiots. |
| 20:16.28 | GeneralAntilles | Can't switch direction again or they'll be done. |
| 20:17.40 | cehteh | they'll done anyways |
| 20:18.19 | GeneralAntilles | I don't see the purpose in ejecting all control over your own fate and tying yourself to another company |
| 20:18.35 | GeneralAntilles | especially one that has not demonstrated an ability to keep up in the mobile device market. |
| 20:20.09 | cehteh | that plan was doomed from the very beginning |
| 20:20.36 | cehteh | at best they may sustain as niche player now |
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| 20:21.27 | cehteh | one among others |
| 20:21.36 | kerio | i bet that rereleasing the 3310 would work well |
| 20:21.39 | GeneralAntilles | No chance for innovation. |
| 20:23.09 | cehteh | btw didnt jolla wanted to announce a real device already? |
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| 20:30.17 | GeneralAntilles | cehteh, 20 or 24th of this month, I think. |
| 20:30.21 | GeneralAntilles | I'm tired of their marketing. |
| 20:30.27 | GeneralAntilles | All fluff and vapor |
| 20:32.18 | cehteh | yeah me too, i'd just wish them luck while wait and see. there are no much other alternatives when you want some mostly free OS and a native platform |
| 20:32.35 | cehteh | well my n900 still works .. so i'll just keep using that anyway |
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| 20:33.09 | cehteh | i am a bit jealous about my wifes note 2 hardware ... but android makes me angry |
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| 20:37.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if Elop had accepted this job when he had to toss in all his private assets and would've get paid in Nokia shares, or even better in nokia options |
| 20:38.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | or, best idea ever: 0.5% percent of total of employee wages paid by nokia |
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| 20:45.09 | GeneralAntilles | cehteh, BlackBerry 10 is a reasonable stop-gap compromise. |
| 20:45.41 | cehteh | i dont need a compromise as long my n900 stays working |
| 20:45.51 | GeneralAntilles | You said you're jealous of the hardware. :P |
| 20:46.00 | GeneralAntilles | It's pretty much got the hardware |
| 20:46.17 | GeneralAntilles | with a UX that managed to accomplish most of what Harmattan was aiming for. |
| 20:47.04 | cehteh | i just hope my n900 will hold some time longer... and when it dies someday i check whats available then |
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| 22:28.59 | Win7Mac | Woodyyy... glad you're joining, will we see election results as fast as for referendum? |
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| 22:32.53 | Woody14619 | depends on when my ride shows up. ;) |
| 22:33.48 | Win7Mac | What, your ride is more important than this |
| 22:34.04 | Win7Mac | ? ;-) |
| 22:35.00 | Win7Mac | Well, at least you'll keep me from wasting the next 1, 5hours just on waiting... ;-) |
| 22:41.03 | muelli | how are the ballots actually counted? With an old version of OpenSTV? |
| 22:41.13 | Woody14619 | Define old? :) |
| 22:41.16 | muelli | oh. wait. There is no STV, right? |
| 22:41.18 | muelli | is confused |
| 22:41.45 | Woody14619 | No, it's OpenSTV... 1.6.1 I think |
| 22:42.00 | muelli | yeah. probably the last free relesae. |
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| 22:48.36 | Woody14619 | We actually sent in the "suggested donation" for it. Damned if I know where the file went to turn off the "you should donate" cruft though. |
| 22:49.21 | Woody14619 | reguardless... it's findable and testable on your own system. 100% perl, so you can even run it on your N#00 or N9. :) |
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| 22:49.48 | Xulu | Long live Maemo! |
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| 22:49.59 | Woody14619 | .oO(I know, because I did just that the last couple elections to get results before they were official. :) |
| 22:50.39 | Woody14619 | But yeah... last hour or so here people. If you haven't voted yet, get to it! |
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| 22:59.37 | unclouded | what's a typical capacity for a N900 battery? the charge meter chip has measured 1100mAh for mine. is that really low? |
| 23:00.08 | ShadowJK | my original was 1250 when new-ish |
| 23:00.30 | ShadowJK | The new nokia bl-5j are over 1400 when new and fresh |
| 23:00.45 | unclouded | ah, not too far off. I'm looking at your charger script right now ShadowJK ;) |
| 23:02.28 | unclouded | it's very cool but I still need the datasheet open just to work out what's going on |
| 23:03.36 | ShadowJK | I'm not sure I'd call it cool, as I stopped working on it once it worked for 97% of my own use |
| 23:04.14 | unclouded | I would. it's nicely written and super useful in Debian, which doesn't have bme yet |
| 23:05.01 | unclouded | and in fact my bme in Maemo has gone wrong and doesn't charge from a wall charger or a non-charging USB port whereas your script does |
| 23:05.31 | ShadowJK | does it say Wall: 0 ? |
| 23:05.49 | ShadowJK | that's suggest data lines are damaged |
| 23:06.26 | unclouded | Wall: 0 when plugged in to non-charging USB port |
| 23:06.57 | unclouded | and with a charging USB port |
| 23:07.18 | ShadowJK | 0 would be expected on generic usb ports |
| 23:07.37 | unclouded | and with the wall charger too. always says 0 |
| 23:09.01 | ShadowJK | I wouldn't trust being able to use usb port dor data again then |
| 23:09.52 | Win7Mac | I wouldb't too... |
| 23:09.54 | Win7Mac | wonders if it'll be worth waiting another hour for unofficial results? |
| 23:09.56 | unclouded | how can I test that? when I plug the N900 in to a PC it does create usb0 and ttyACM3 |
| 23:10.47 | unclouded | but you reckon it might work sometimes and not others, or go wrong in subtle ways only occasionally? |
| 23:11.15 | ShadowJK | it's possible |
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| 23:12.03 | ShadowJK | but then again when I plug in my own chargers too slowly wall charger isn't detected and dialog pops up asking to choose pc suite or mass storage |
| 23:12.08 | unclouded | not to worry, the wireless works well |
| 23:12.47 | unclouded | so could be flaky firmware in BQ27x00? |
| 23:14.16 | ShadowJK | Nah |
| 23:14.27 | ShadowJK | neither bq are involved in that |
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| 23:19.46 | unclouded | why does the script read from musb_hdrc/charger and then do nothing with the result? |
| 23:22.50 | ShadowJK | reading it triggers side effects |
| 23:23.16 | ShadowJK | Like reducing power use by 80mA if you've got a wallcharger plugged in |
| 23:23.40 | ShadowJK | Also, reading bq24150 status register had side effects :-) |
| 23:24.54 | unclouded | right, so if I want to port to Ruby then I need to preserve all of that behaviour carefully |
| 23:25.52 | ShadowJK | In a "cool" version, it'd also use the result to set input current limit as unlimited |
| 23:26.13 | ShadowJK | but then again, that wouldn't work very well with out device and chargers, heh. |
| 23:26.22 | ShadowJK | lazyness paid off, i guess. |
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| 23:44.33 | unclouded | I don't understand "i2cset -m 0xFF ..". isn't that "-m 0xFF" redundant because it will write all bits? |
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| 23:46.24 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 23:46.38 | ShadowJK | also, the whole idea is a bit silly |
| 23:47.02 | ShadowJK | because some registers have different functionality depending on whether you're reading or writing.. |
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| 23:47.32 | unclouded | yes, STATUS/CTRL registers? |
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| 23:49.35 | ShadowJK | right |
| 23:52.29 | eccerr0r | trying to get my battery calibrated, I discharged it down to when it started blinking red, and then suspended it and let passive draw slowly drop it below EDV1 but I just let it discharge to flat... then plugged it in to recharge... it still didn't count as a learning cycle... is there something special that needs to be done? |
| 23:53.28 | ShadowJK | the thing that made it blink red probably switched off the phone |
| 23:54.31 | eccerr0r | yes probably... but it should have been slow enough to hit EDV1, unless it shuts off the phone before EDV1? |
| 23:55.25 | unclouded | does u-boot shutdown when the battery is low. if not, maybe that would be a way to discharge to EDV? |
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| 23:56.31 | eccerr0r | have to disable all battery management software to do this relearn cycle I guess? |
| 23:57.15 | ShadowJK | probably |
| 23:57.30 | unclouded | mine seems to discharge completely in Debian but I guess you don't want to install that just to calibrate? |
| 23:57.51 | eccerr0r | I think my battery I'm using in this phone is pretty crappy now... it is several years old now, internal resistance is pretty bad compared to two other cells I have... |
| 23:58.35 | ShadowJK | on stock you'd do "stop bme" and manually "start bme" again in the few seconds between edv1 and phone dying from lack of power (which can probably cause fs corruption) |
| 23:58.41 | ShadowJK | but stock doesn't flash red, so.. |
| 23:58.46 | eccerr0r | based off of the estimated capacity numbers it seems like it still holds 1.1AH or so if discharged slowly... |
| 23:58.51 | robbiethe1st | Why not just replace it? |
| 23:59.01 | robbiethe1st | They're like $12 for a good knockoff |
| 23:59.08 | eccerr0r | running KP52 + stock BME... |
| 23:59.38 | ShadowJK | likes to do calibration at some resonable rate of discharge, so that it's calibrated for capacity when used, not capacity in standby mode ;) |
| 23:59.40 | eccerr0r | Oh I have two much better condition batteries, I just want to milk the rest of the life out of this one. |